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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 1, Episode 11 · 1 year ago

10. The Pidgey Eclipse

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AIS UP EVERYBODY WELCOME BACK TO TAGteam. My name is Ryley Hover and I'm joined by my good good friend, JWcrewall Gw. How e you doing today, Riley I'm doing fine. Once again, I'mlooking forward to the holiday season going to get a chance to go visit,family and just relax enjoy some time together. You know: Do all the thingsthat you do on the holiday season, love Christmas, so be on coming up here,yeah for sure man. I feel the same. I hav the whole week off for Christmas. Isay if my dayis up and I'm just going to go back to Ohio, send of time myfamily and relax for the first time right wow. So that's going to be offfright right right for that and I'm sure you're excited for some egknock aswell. I love the Egnog I brought in some well, my wife brought in someEgknog for her Christmas party at her work and it wasa huge success. Oh and then we had another friend comeover a couple days ago. She also had some of the ignome from the Party andsaid it was very, very tasty, although the only other time that she had hadhomemade ignog it had chunks because the tempering process was done, Kutoquickly and brambled, some of the eggs. So it's actually a Tiarkin process.It's a very intricate process. If you want to have like like a safer egknogthan what you do, is you heat up the milk? And then you add it like spoonfulby spoonful into the whipped egg yoke mixture. But if you do it too fast,then the eggs will cook into scrambled eggs, basically insideyour eggknog. So that is very interesting, actually veryinteresting. So Yeah Itlo might be glad to hear yesterday at work. They had a egnog French, toast, okay, I'm into it very, very good iit. Did it taste any different thanregular French dost slightly yeah? Definitely groms full difference. Okay,I'm there for it, I'm there, for I, like French tost, I like Egnog, I'mjust an Egnot guy. So like I'll eat or drink like egknocg milk shakes I'lldrink egnag, you know with any type of Laqueur I'll. Have Igno I mean thatignok French toast sounds incredible: I'l just Agnog, like kind of whateverway you throw it at me, yeah for sure. I think my like holiday, seasonal thingthat I really love is. I love peppermant flavor, so like yeah gratersin Cincinnati, Columbus does like peppermint chip. I er like peverment,stick ice cream and that's so good and like chick lay, has the shake that'salso so good. I have A. I have a free coupon for a free shake at chickfellike there Yo go, he got ta get the pevermet one toit that was rocks yeah.No, it is for the pepper mront one, I'm looking forward to eating it. Yeah thatis r drinking. Do you drink a milkshakeer? Do you eat a milkchake? Iguess it depends how quickly you get to get around to it. Relative twenty gotit yeah, fair enough, like you start by eating it and then and then you drinkit at the end. Yeah, that's how I feel usually like you ever have milk shakesyou just have to you literally have to spoon them because you can't yeah, likeall the culvers milkshakes. They make them so thick yeah, the Ye custardsthat they use well anyway, take it away from food. We did have an awesome timethis past weekend as your holiday get together back and O on this. It wasreally nice seeing everybody and we also got to play some Pokemon n. We gottee play a bunch of Cube, which is super cool, and we can maybe talk aboutthat later, but we did play some standard Prokemon at the vgmx Le Cup,in Columbus, Ohio, bgmxis kind of a more recent store to come up inColumbus. It's a pretty cool to see the scene kind of blossom and Columbus.Sadly, after I leave, I maybe o've related circumstances there, but Yeh. Nevertheless, we both attended andwhat did we end up deciding to play JW? Well, we played pigioto control. Tit Yohad o control, so you know I landed. It was kind of late in the evening, but wekind of mulled over for a while exactly what we wanted to do. We talked quite abit about the list and the cards that would come in and out of it. What would you say was like notable about the list that weplayed, what made it good? Why do we settle on something like the pidgycontrol of omination that we played? I would just say that the list was very, I don't know straightforward, veryconsistents optimized for just getting the strong turn, one specificallyoptimized for getting the turn one elms, so we included the full ccount ofelms the full count of poke year and...

...then one card that not a lot of peoplealways include as a Max count of the acro bikes, which right I lovedrecently. Now we played it with out DRACI. So that would be like the nextlike consistency card, that you could either add or substitute in the placeof acro bike. But in any case we went the full like trainer route ofmaximized consistency to try to get that turn one attack off beyond that. Idon't know that there was anything really unique to the our list. We tookout a lot of the unusual text that you might see things like absal. We didn'tplay I'm trying to think of other. We did goback to MEU and breako bonds, though, which has yeah much sure sure that'strue, so we were expecting a lot of things like Tina Chop. You Know TinaChop just their spread damage. turnafter turn can be reallydevastating to your board, especially if you have kind of a slow start, sowewere thinking, okay, maybe the mew from unbroken bonds could help assuagesome of the difficulty with that card as it's being played in its own deck,and it's also seeing some play in the Mali mardecs but yeah it was. I thought, just a verystrong call for the weekend. I ended up hitting some either bad matchups orkind of awkward things, but I thought overall, we had a really good and strong sixty cards.It just didn't work out for US yeah yeah. Neither of US ended up making topaid. Sadly I did quite like the list that we had. I maybe we can share thatonlike tag, team, twitter or something so people can take a gander at thendecide for themselves that they like it. I would, I would agree with youranalysis. SOGH. It was kind of straightforward. It was designed to getthe term one alums to turn two oums and then plough through the deck we playedto Hawoos, which really helped to accelerate through the deck, and Idefinitely noticed that, as we played it to Yep. That was a very nice boostto the digging potential. No cute cars like will or anything butdidn't, really feel like they were super necessary last can hear. I thankyou for the sub on twitch ten months. That's awesome, man think such for thesuport yeah. I mean I really like pigy controlright now in the format. I think it's a pretty good deck and I I am always like surprised. I guesswhen people say that they think control doesn't have the time to finish,because we finish all of our games and you know obviously, some of thosererelosses, but we finished like close games and what I felt was a comfortableamount of time, even one game in particular, I'm thinking of where Ikind of eraded you for playing slowly. You still didn't even hit time an thatgame right and there's actually several minutes after you finished it t soright right so like I just want to reiterate, as I saidseveral times now, that I think like stall strategies are perfectly viableand like the best of one thirty minutes, it didn't really feel like time wasever an oppressive factor or sosuring. That, like was causing a hindrance to me trick yeah. I don't know, I feel like people, if you, if you think time, is a problem.You probably just haven't, practiced enough because you'R you're spendingtoo much time thinking about what you have to do right right or your kind ofmaybe making decisions that aren't optimized for the turn that you're on.So I found myself doing this a lot to is like in the midgame. I would begetting back cards that I'd actually just want for like a couple prizes inthe future, like I found myself just putting back in like chipchips, whichisn't necessarily a bad play, but when you're in the early and midgame youkind of want to you know, you' rather have. I feel those supporters like Haboand stuff just into the deck to make sure that you can plod through and thenyou're kind of setting up to just do the big Cambo in there at you knowthree or to one prize that kind of that kind of thing. So you know even I found myself kind ofdoing some unusual plays with the deck. I was tilted in one of the rounds whereI priary Fillsin yeah, I prized to water energy, and so I had no access toarticuno and it was a matchup. It was a fire blasephalon matchup that I reallywould have loved to have the ARTI. The articuno access didn't, have it andthen ended up making. Just some weird plays loss was to a dark box, which wasreally sad because I prized a copy of the stadium that we played the the PostHorland the power plan. So I couldn't chain those back to back, and I knowthe list that she plays plays a ton of stadiums. I think it's something liketwo viridian to night city or dark city. Maybe it's like Briev Ridian and todark city, something like that just like for for maybe five stadiums in herlist which make it very difficult and then obviously she plays the red andblue so being able to search out the...

...you know, search out the the energiesfrom the deck makes it really hard as well so prizing. That stadium wasreally tough, because I could never quite get the lock and then I couldn'thold the lock. Even if I did get the lock, she was able to break out of it,which was really tough. So not going to you know not to say like that. I couldn't have won. I guess it wasjust really tough with and then she had two copies of the two copies of the Guz Lord. That takestwo prizes every time it goes for a knockout, so I was able to mill one ofthem. I couldn't quite get to the next oneand that one just you know, ran me out of Arangerous and I ended up winningthe game for her so like she played it perfectly very, very well. I justwasn't able to put enough pressure on to take the DUB yeah yeah. I feel thatfor sure my loss is typically, it came down to one game. I had to not chipchip for one turn and they got a reset stamp after I, it was like I probably could havebeenangled this better, but the way that I played the cards out, which Ithink I probably misplayed at least like one turn out of that game. I hadto misty and Laureli discart a ridiculous amount of cards, obviously,and then the next turn I got raised that stamp to dickd out and it felt so bad because, like I wasn't even thinking about that beingan option until right after I disty and Lauralihe, and I'm like Yeah Jeez, you are you 're, pretty salty. Iwas a little salty ea, I'm not going to lie, but my opponent like saw the outand like draps of them, for you know, continue to play when the odds weresacked against them too, because they had no energy left. As far as Iknow like, I honestly thought that they had begunto run out of energy at turn earlier than they did, because they wereplaying the lucarium o metal and didn't grab an energy off the the metal fist. I think, like whatevergrabs the energy at the deck, and I'm like, Oh, you know, he's out ofout of metal. It's like he only has these three energy left. That is likethat's a fine amount, because he can't Kay Oll my dudes. Unfortunately, he did have that lastmetal was kind of like threw me for a loop, a yeah, so I think just likemultiple turrds of like me, not not fully like comprehending whatasgoing on happen there right and I was like for a moment. I was really upsetbecause I was like Oh you know. I had five cars in deck. I could have playeda cowpad and like gone up, but then I thought we were talking just now andI'm like well wait. If I played the POWVAD, I would have gone down aforeand then up to six that rightis still one like it's whatever it was just amess. So it's whatever stuff happens. It wasstill really fun. My other loss was just to a firedeck. I wasn't drawing super well, so I onlyhave one Pigeo on board most of the game, and then I, with the chip, turnchipship and the top tech of R energy to knock out my Mickuterson for gameyeah it just. It feels like a deck, our performances, we're kind of on the onthat wrong side of Varia, where you just you know, if, like you said, ifthey don't draw that one card on that one turn then, like you, probably winthe game handly or like. If they don't do that one thing, if they don't havethat one stadium on that one turn, then you know you probably win.Unfortunately, just didn't go like that for us, yeah still would consider pitgyto be extremely viable deck. I don't thinkthat there was anything in the room that I was necessarily afraid of facing.Besides, maybe that dark box, I just had a ton of stadiums, but even then Ithink there are ways if you like, played the matchup out. You know a tonof times like I think you still end up favorable in that Matchu, but justdon't think that there was necessarily anything in the room that I was sayingman. I hope I don't play against that yeah I mean. I think it was a prettygood call for that tournament. Just like on a conceptual level Y. Therewasn't a time like even I really can't even thnk of anything. Iwould be that scared of that was in the room like Mutu's, probably one of thescarier matchups, just because they how fast they can like get the game moving,and there wasn't really a lot of that right. I'm not really scared of Almaror anything, so it felt fine pitg definitely has. I feel, like thecontrol. Decxks in general are a little more suspect to Variante, sometimesbecause you're playing cars like cammers- and you know you have like theflips and doll stall and like there's all sorts of weird stuff, I can just gowrong and- and you only have two- you know you're only playing two UBS, solike you, culd easily prize yeah, twas or or even worse, like you could neverhave the chance to play them because you have like you know a bunch of yourpigy lines or prize of the pitch ASP, yeah for sure, so actually one of theGames. I won what I prize like three Vigeotas or something ridiculous likethat. But I did I like such a ridiculous mil off of Belelpha. It waslike apossle fri part, the win, no metter, but so it was like a turn to below them. Justlike, I got nothing else. Mad Slam and I meled like some of their mostimportant cards to win the match: Roke...

Dude Hit's, pretty funny, but yeah. It felt really good, also tobe back in Columbus and playing cards with some what the people I've knownfor a while. So I had a great time even if thetournament didn't go as well as I would have hoped and honestly I wouldprobably take this sixty to another cup, usually on a different day, yeah, maybewith a little more time to practice and a little more sleep the night before,but I would definitely consider playing it again. I don't know if there'sanything else, t a even really on my pradar that I want to bring the cups atthis point sure y. What are you feeling? Well, I would say that I'm going to be honest, you knowMalimar performed really well that weekend, I think taking two of the OhioCups Yeah, and so you have to look at Malamar and just say: Hey. You know:We've kind of been dissing it for the longest time, but maybe it's just thatperfect Cupdeck, oh I mean Malmar. Has All season been the Cup Monster? YeahYeah! Absolutely, I would say you know from memory just that it's lockedblockdown. You know at least a dozen that I can just think. I'm up to havemy headcome wins, which is pretty strong for for that deck. So I wouldsay you know Malamar. I would definitely consider taking that to acup like it's one, at least on a cup level and it's kind of fun when it rolls sodefinitely it's Foto when it works, I will say yeah, so that would be anotherdeck on my radar, the lastn but not least, is youtob. I mean still going tobe that strong contender for the entirety of at least this format, sodefinitely considering nee to if I were to go to another cup in the next fewweeks, but THOSEU probably be my top three at the moment yeah, I haue to say:If it wasn't Pitgy, I would look towards I still kind of want to try ATP, eventhough I rag on it a lot, I just kind of want to try it have it in my eaInstet AF Cup. It just seems like kind of fun. Even ifyou get your strategy actually going, it seems pretty fun and I would also probably play Malimaras like a third choice as well. We both were talking about this afterthe Cup and actually even before the Cup we were kind of talking like heyyou now Malmar might be an option and we're like no, no, no like, let's justnot resign ourselves, O playing h, Alimar and then malarned op witting,the cup, that we were at Yeah D, so we're kind of like it winning and Idon't think it really had that much representation. It was like two people,I was going to say there weren't- that many people in in only had oneplacement at top eight. So just just going to show that you know it's really not on a lot ofpeople's right are, or at least in my local metagame yeah. So wit's kind ofsurprised me because, like Columbus, is historically been like a very MalamarCentaria, you n, so Ri, you know, that's that's how the cookie crumbles.I momaris like a deck. I am less inclined to play just because of makesit kind of anxious and alls just like sleeving those suckersup just feels kind of bad in Hof itself, like you just like you have. You have such like a negativereaction to it from the past that it may be hard for us at this point, likeour the milen of our brain, has us that Malmars bad and like we can'tplay it. So we get repulsed anytime. We see Malamar, I mean don't get me wrongtoo, like I've stand, Malmore more so than you Ihave I think like I was. I was Supertiv Outmar fom world so, which was, I think, would have been a bad choice,but now now to go beyond this format. Obviously we're getting anew set in a couple months: Do you think Malamar gets better with you know, with the new set at all? Thisis like kind of tangentially related a, but do you think that Malamar continuesto be? You know this this very like decent,maybe very strong local Cup deck, or does it get way better to the pointthat we may start seeing it perform? You know well, on a regional level, I think, there's like pluses and minuses that are going tocome with mow are like the quick ball. I think it is, and evolutionary incenseare both really good. I think those are the main cards that Melmar is lookingat from sort of shield, so obvious assets there just being able toset up better is all that Malmar really wants, and your quick ball is kind of,like a other set of treasures that you can throw in your deck. Almost youcan't grab the Owmar, but he can grab your inays, which almost are moreimportant to grant. So I do like that, but I don't think itreally gains a lot in the in the way of like attackers or like options itjustitll like do the strategy already...

...just better, and the reason thatconcerns me is that well, it also gets like the Sycomore suporter, which issuper good from Albar, and thank you to Kil for the for the bits. The thing that concerns me, though, isthat there's now these really viable and Stanley HIHP Pokemon, where malmorsnow like three Ha kaoing them pretty, naturally even like with spelltexhs and stuff, you know with those vmaxes, and so that's that seems roughto me, especially I they utialize like Malon, Lana and stuff, I'm thinkingstuff like the like the lappers of emax. I could see that being played for surewith the frostmoth yeah snorlax Emac could also see play is its just likeit's hard to tell. I and I hate to like theory, moon that forehead to becausethe game is like fundamentally changing going into a sortin shield right right.Exactly and that's I mean it's interesting right because we've saidfor the Longt time like. That is why Malimar maybe isn't best suited forthis format, because you just have these huge tag: Teams that can healwith Maloen Lana, but that hasn't really deterred it andactually we've seen the malamarlist evolve in adapt. I think the mostnotable inclusion in Malamar I has been just a big tag: team of its own BeitLunala and Sogaleo, or I think more popularly, the Guiaritina Garchop tagteam and just both those being able to deal that big damage to kind of getover the Hump be able to take. You know what would have been, maybe a two orthree shot by a Malmar into or one shot yeah yeah I mean those are all definitelyfactors it's, I think Ma Mareis a really hard deck to call, but it'salmost e also feels like an impossible deck to ever write out. If that makessense like, I don't want to attest a IM ar being one of the best tecxs in theformat, but I wouldn't, I would not say it's like unviable or anything likethat- either because rol mar's just one of those decks that always clause itsway from whatever pit it's trapped in intobeing a good viable day, tirp or at least good enough. You know for thehaters out there absolutely cool. Well, let's move onfrom Malamar discussions into something new. I don't know what should we talkabout now? Well, I mean I got to say the COSMEC F clips format, kind ofburned self, pretty quick, not because it was inherently a badformat, although I wasn't a huge fan of it, but Jus bcause, like a lot,happened with it in a very short time. So, like we plowed through events now,there's like nothing left, ind Godso of standard, but I do think there's a tonTho be had and shout to the tricky gimmers that Rade there. The expanded format, I think, has a lotto be explored still, and I mean now we're in a postband world. You and Ihave been talking quite a bit about like what we want to bring to Dallascoming up. That's going to be a huge tournament. I'm really excited to putthat. Ah, so what does the future hold in that regard like? We could looktowards sortan shield. All we want, but I don't think we can really predict yet.But expanded is just around the corner and I know I hope you love expanded JW, becauseit's good tations you're, the most recentx fan original, chanpel or well.Second, most recent second pons recent. Yes, yes, yes, don't don't forget. Icould never forget yeand rob because he jus a an robs FA, Dar Deck Yeah Yeah, but yes, t e second time an Roisdestroyed my deat right yeah, exactly exactly yeah shout Outston Atalie, but yeah. I think there are six viabledecks that I'm really looking at breaking down in the expanded format. Idon't know that they're going to turn out to be. You know the six ter onedecks, although I do believe a lot of them are very strong. I just thinkthese are kind of the six decks that I initially go to as being the best decksof the expanded format, and I think they will probably be someof the most played in Dallas, and so I've been saying this for a while, butI think guardion Meu, three Altena Crosma Zorgarb darkbox and the Humptydumpty viol plume deck. I think those are the six decks that I'm looking toinitially and saying they have a lot of strengths. They do a lot of thingsreally really well. They maybe were archetypes in the past thatcontinue to be viable and maybe even get better with the loss of the staldecks yeah and they you know for a lot of these. They gained something youknow very cool from the most recent set. So for those reasons I think these sixdecks are the kind of the ones that I'm going on to the ladder and testing withfriends and telling people that I think most of them are going to be good,plays it's just kind of figuring out the best play yeah and the best list aswell. I know you and I both are very much fans of for finding downlist tothe nitty gready pieces of it Ye.

That's probably why we work so elltogether when it comes to decks sure. So, let's go one by one, then I thinkthe first one that comes to mind for me and one that we talked quite a bitabout this past weekend would be the Zoro Garb archetype. You know just cameoff a win in Portland with IAND ROB and overall, I think, continues to just bea strong deck in every single expanded format that we've seen in the post likeRed Card hex world, talk to me a little about your thoughts,Ond Zorgarb, but you told me and before the stream that you're not super intoit, it feels kind of mediocre. I have some thoughts that I'd love to to speakto you on that. But I want to. I want to hear your sidfirst well. Sort garbis definitely a deck that I feel I could be. You know on one side of thebed one day and the other side, the other day, where it could flip flapbetween being this kind of average deck that I don't see a lot of potential into being you know the terone archetype that can take any single deck down andunfortunately, recently I've just been on the Rog side. Of that and saying youknow, did some testing on twitch and on my my channel and just kind of seeingthe deck perform in action, I was losing a lot to things that playedgarbador. I was losing you know, ulte Crosma stuff. That would just be ableto use an ATP, and I couldn't dig for my ranger fast enough and then they'dbe able to one shot, zorarcs and then I'd be in this really awkarposition,not Goodo right, because they'd have the garbadar up and it was just likewow. I should conceptually be able to destroy this deck. Like I have rangerin my deck, I should be able to. You know, do some tricky things. You knowmaybe FAA their energy or kill their garbator and like end themlow and maybe they're out of energy or things like that, but it was never thateasy and I kind of got down on myself on the deck. I think again, it's alwaysgoing to be inherently decent, I'm just not sure what the formatt shaving up ifit has what it takes to be the winning deck like the best teck in the forman yeah. I think that's a pretty goodsummary. What I kind of alluded to we've talked about this. A lot inperson now is is Zorgarb always feels not mediocre,but it's like you have to try harder to wayand. It feels like then, a lot ofdecks. It's not necessarily a bad thing all the time. No it's just like itdoesn't feel it as good, in my opinion, as some idoanever never controls thegame from start to finish, I've found like there's usually like a turn, andespecially now, with these decks, like there's, usually a turn where it's like.F. I don't hit it here like if I don't hand it ofgf this end and I'm in areally bad spot. It just never can control the pace of the game. The waylike a turbo dark can where they can pop off from turn one, and youbasically just know, you're going to win the game. It's just kind of goingthrough the motions, the AACT ight or gin to sing like vioplume right. YouGet up the the item, lock, Vio Plume and your opponent doesn't have a boardpresence, and then you know, okay, I'm going to have the time. I need to buildup an attacker and just win. It doesn't have that strength from beginning toend, although what it loses in the early game, I think it does make up forin the lay game. You do have a lot of options to lock your pone in the lakegame. We think of the GARBOTOX and garbador think of just and being a very strongcard, you're more able to draw out of a lay game end. So it does have somethings that go for it in the lake game, but its just kind of getting to thatlate game. That's always the issue. Yeah, yes, Zor garb always feels likekind of an exploration into like routing your game plan and prizemapping,and you know getting to end game board states, whereas you know you play stufflike turbo, dark and you'R like Wel. You know it's turn one. Let's figureout what we can do s Zar harms turn ine, the like mostimpressive turnt, one you can have is like bench, a couple basic cook and, like maybe shaming at the end ofit like right, so yeah, it's just and even like Idon't know a deck. I like Guardion, I think Ardanas, another good play. Thatalso feels has this like feeling of inevitability, yeah, you know where, ifyou can get that magical miracle for six, probably you know going to win likeeighty percent of the Games right that that happens or something like that itjust it has this kind of inevitable feeling whereif you can just get tothat wind condition. Then you know you're, then you're going to win,whereas garbador Zorac is like you know. What can you think is like the idealboard. You know having like fours Orork out and maybe the Garbo toxin down, buteven then it gets kind of weird because, like you shut off your own abilitiesand I d n t it just there's a lot of things like going on Chrisur there's alot of things that are going on and a lot of things Thatconof indutive, yeahyeah. For sure I mean, I think,...

...probably my favorite deck right now isstill turbo dark. It's just you know. I love the UNGABUNGA strategyof just going ham with the elixirs in the patches term. One and saying youknow what you got: Man, Yeah Answe, like you figure this out. What can you do in response to that? I think that's just like a strategy.That'll always see some moticome of success, because it's just so straightforward and so powerful,and it's asking such like important questions of your opponent. You knowlike being able to once shot a tag team on turn to Thiy, can't ever be that bad right likeit can't be terrible. So if any, you have any additional thoughts on onTerbo dark or why it might be a good or bad play. Well again, I mean turbdankas really good last wormat, so I think it just maintains its strength.It kind of beat everything. I don't see too much too many new decks coming outof US cosmic eclipse. Aside from you know, aside from the alternatecrossmy deck, I mean there are new decks that will come out of COSMYC GoodLips, but in my initial kind of testing on my initial views on you know Tcgoand just my experience. I don't really see a lot of the new cards making brandnew archetypes outside of alternae Crosma, but even then I think darkboxcan handle that deck. You know for the most part again, I need to dosome specific testing of that matchup, but there's nothing really that I'mscared of. If I look through the list of like possible options, there wasn'treally that much that TURMODARC as scared of last format, and I don'tbelieve that there's anything new that it should be scaret of yeah. So, let's actually shift focus.Then you've talked about theyre, not being a ton of new decks. BesidesOltrana Crosma I mean I think, we've talked a lot about these existing decksand I don't think they transform in. I significant enough way to really for there to be much new informationthere, but the new deck. I think that is truly interesting. The people isthis Oltanaf Crosma deck with the baby, Oltenar Crosma has that ability whichprevents it from attacking unless your opponent, as at two or less prizes. Butyou know there are all sorts of ways and expanded to turn off abilities,including, but not limited to garbador, muck and silent, lab all sorts of veryeffective ways to be able to tech that ocean af cross were doing hundred andseventy for two and is carding of energy off your opponent, like justkind of just, I guess right, Ow, that's pretty good! THAT'SPRETTY GOOD! You got to say, and you compare that easily with ATP, you canjust leave it solo, there's all sorts of ways where seeing that p played yeahmy personal problem with that strategy. I think it's pretty good. There areactually two things I don't like about it. The first thing that bothers me is that pokemon ranger is a card as acar that people like love to throw in their deck randomly. It appears in all sorts of likeaggressive, turbowy kind of decks and or like Soratec, just throw it in justbcause. They can Turni on trade away. If you don't want it so makes me alittle anxious, because you're playing like an TP focus build and they pok onranger you, then you wasted an ATP and an attachment and an attack and nowyou're like well. I Guess I probably lose now huh, so yes yeah well, I would just counter that tosay that the altrenate Crosma can put so much pressure on that a ranger in alot of cases doesn't run at or so it's like it depends on the situation.Obviously you know, and it depends on, like your board state and how oftenthey're able to Gusema but there's another thing that I don't like as well,which is the fact that there's a lot of pieces to chain if your opponent isputting pressure on you so like you know, I think the deck is veryvulnerable situations where you get your pokmoknocked out, you get end to alow hand size, and now you have to find usually I think the Ultimane prosmes ACreally likes to Gaust. So you have to find a gust card and I know they'replaying like great catchers and stuff to help with that. But still you had tofind a gust card. A pokmon hopefully have one on the bench and anotherenergy attachment of what she only played for. So that's a kind of a tallask you know it's not necessarily easy to find all that immediately,especially if you get ends to one or two and your like well hade, to findthis like three very specific cars and yeah totally. I mean I think that listwill start to modify themselves to. You knowbe able to counter that. I mean I'm thinking of things like teammates goingin the deck that I haven't really seen...

...right. Many I mean tace is an obviousinclusion right for thes special energy. One Prize Tak right right, I think so,but I just just saying like the decks will adapt the things that I'm seeingnow and even the initial concept that I had on the list was maybe a little bitmore focused on Goosemanhala, whereas I think you know playing it more. I seethat the build that I initially had is very clearly not the ferior build, andso I do find that the garbagor yeah limits you in that way of you knowgetting end you're a little more susceptible to a Lak game and whereas aMuck, actillery Cambo can give you that additional drobpower that you need atthe end of the game, so it'll be very interesting to see how that deck andchanges over time, because I do think it is the deck that a lot of people say.Oh Yeah, you know you put Altana Crossman garbador together, like itmakes the perfect pair and and yes, they're, very good together. However,there are other ways to build it and I don't believe at the initial stages of testing thatthe Garbaner variat is far and away the best Variante of play. Right, I meanthere's trade offs right so like the mock is the most consistent way to turnoff your ability and you can have access to other things sathing withsilent lab. They have evolved abilities, but then the trade side is youropponent, namely Yoursarc opponint will have access to their voltabilities andno also stuff like Gardi. I will have access their evolvabilities on theRomatis, but mark artillery is definitelysomething I would personally be a fan of because of stuff like, and you knowyou cannot, you can't so easily take advantage ofending your opponent, but either way I think, there's some kind of Bild tomake it work better than I think it has so far. Leaning hard into Sycamore andteammates might be the way to go and just have them catchers and never usingguzmoolihander. But even then, there's like there'sstill a lot that can go wrong when you have a basic deck like basic non gx.Special Energy focused deck like that, and it doesn't necessarily have oneshot says: one shots on Shamans and Denas and like Nlale, which basically a as e Mus playby the day it feels like. But then it doesn't one chot like Gxisfor stuff, like nightmarch you're kind of similar in some wayslike you have you're doing a lot of damage you're using the special energyattachment you're a one prize attacker, but you're one hic caoing things, nomatter what's in the active, so it's like. I think they have an interestinglike balance there between. What's the good good and what's the better oneprice play actually think nint March might have a significant or like be aforce to be reckoned with in this new metic game, because I don't think a lotof people are really thinking about it and being able to onc hout things. Yeahit'salways, Nice Right. I think he problem, though I feel like the comfortpick, will be or garbador for a lot of players, and then I think that you knowthe obvious inclusion, ins or Garbagor is just a wone of Oricorio Sr. So I'mnot too sure how big nightmarch will be in this wormat. But you do have a pointthat you know it's not being talked about. It always seems to reservice anddo the best when it's kind of under the radar, so we'll see if, if Ni Marchdoes in fact show up in spades. Well, another thing to consider is, like you know, stuff like nightmarch it thrise. Obviously, when people aren'prepared for it and right you know, stuff like Zoro Garb, is pretty tighton like the cars that you can include like. If you have a you, do a lot withthe deck, but you know you can only fit so many techs and they have to choosebetween, like teching, for ultrenate crosman attacking fornightmarch. Going to this s event, which would you think the person wouldbe more likely choose, I think, would be ulternate ACROSSMO. I would agreeyes, so I don't know it's like it's kind of interesting. How all that likeadds up to how a deck might do well or not in. Is there anything else that,like jumps out to you specifically from COSMEC Yeah Yeah, there is just onesecond Jonny flying that you know Nin march has a bad ulterna across matchupyea I mean I would say so right. If they use the ATP, then they can stilloutpace you, because you know if they use ATP on the firstturn and then even if you're able to knock out the ATP, which I'm not evensure how you would lekto wiers. What's that lectric Ferros, Oh yeah, withelectric powers, even if you knock ot the ATP, then they could so go knockout knot, Gon, knockout consecutively and win that prize trade. So yes,unless they have the ranger in their night march, they will likely lose to the ULTERNA crossmo thatplays ADP, although if they, if they ranger, not get ATF in the same turn,you would instantly Lis. Yes,...

...it should be very funny. BEINSA, yes,thatould, be very funny and crazy. I would love to see that and I'm surethere will be a game like that onstream in Dallas, but the other thing thatkind of jumps out to me is that I do think mu thre will be a good deck forthe tournament. It gains a lot with the with the decline of the Zor Control Dex.I think that's just a that, and that might also again be me saying I wantthis teck to be good, but I do really believe that me too was in a good spotlast format, but it just got hated out by things like you know, is our controlspecifically just was too much to overcome, and so me three seems to be a deck that Iwould be comfortable telling people to play something I'd be comfortableplaying and something that I think just is anow a more viable deck than it was last Farmat, and then I think plume retainsis power. I think it stays this strong deck. I don't think a lot of peoplewill be thinking about it heading into the regional. You know with withalternate crosson being, I think, the new hype. I think a lot of people kindof sleep a little bit on plume, not this. There might be people that areteching for plume I've seen a lot of wabafit and I'm included Wybe fedandMylis to try to help out with the item lock something that we didn't see lastformat, but I do think vioplume will will maintainits place as as a good choice. Yeah I mean iplum really struggled as wellagainst those control decks which are fading out. I don't think it has thebest oral guard matchup, but certainly more wendable in some ofthese control, matchups thats for that's for Tang sure. I also really dolike changing up kind of the way we've seen you to with stuff like Lupany now existing youcan play cars like goozmanhalaand, even just like a couple, dces right andbeing able to really there's a problem I have primarily with Youto is that ithad a lot of trouble. Dealing with stuff like dark Reye thatgets set up too fast is one shots you ram, but if you just throw a Megaloponty this card, you grab a dce and a D valley, you're, probably going to WanhHout the dark rigts in the active yeah yeah. The Cool Thing Tho is that youcan do things like. If you play a more dce focused build, you can play thingslike Sizeman Toad, which you know is basically like noibern and then to alsomake it. You know, make an easier snip attack.You have access to snivy and Venus or Gx, which a cool card that you know forone energy attachment you can do fifty to the whole bench. So, ideally, youknow the Zoro. Gar Player could lose their entire bench in one turn, when Iwould be unfortunate Y, very strong, Ti'd be unfortunate for them for sure yeah. I think there's a lot of clevernew tricks that can come out of having dce as an option now and especially youdon't even have to run for, if you don't want to, if you have goose manhalland how to like consistently grab that out of the deck whenever you wantit right. Absolutely, I'm personally excited to see how Youto ovolv P, thatwas a deck that was really fun and really interesting strategically toplay, so I'm sure there's all sorts of cool things that people wil try and I'msure that I'll try quite a few of them as lot Ocausewe go stam youtu in thisshat we do and both pormats we're just kind ofwe're kind of shills for Mo to yeah. THAT'S RIGHT COOL! Well, I think that's a prettygood primer on where we are expanded right now. I think that was the onlyother topic we really wanted to directly address today. So we will openup the Florida questions here before we do that Jimean. I did want topreemptively announce that we do have this tag. Team twitter account just tagteam pokemon. I believe it is on twitter and on Christmas Day we are not goingto be doing a podcast, but instead we will be doing a give away. So welaunching a giveaway on our twitter. What you'll need to do? We are stillfiguring out the card. We believe that we have the card, but we're going to begiving away some very rare, expensive card as long as you were tweet andfollow our twitter just going to be something fun to kind of drive, someengagement and just get the community involved just give away something onChristmas, so I we think that'll be a really fun way to to do that yeah, so we g t giving itaway. All you have to do is like retweet and follow the account and thenyou'll you entered to win one of these really cool full arts. What do we sayrig like what do we say? Well, we don't want to lock it in seten stone yeah,but we we're looking at we're looking at a couple cards and I think I thinkth the fans like it so so beon the look out for that. DoFollow the account that's the best way to keep in the loop as far as what'sgoing on, and things going to be doing,...

...and I think in the future will use thatas if we get more followers that as sortof a question submission mechanism. So we can sweet a couple days ahead oftime and you all can pose those questions that you want answered duringthe week's cast so yeah. I think overall, it serves to benefit everyone here. If we drive engagementtheopieas, I think it will allow us to create the content that best suits yourneeds. Yeah absolutely- and it's always great- to have people to submit consomemat questions in the chat, but sometimes there are topics that wedidn't even consider. That would have been really good to actually dive alittle bit deeper into during the podcast, so yeah. Just having thatoutlet to be able to say those a little bit earlier is always great. We haveone question from Nikil earlier in the stream he says: Are you guys excitedfor the V cards and vmax cards, or are you sick and tired of three prizers yeah? I can start on that. I don'treally have a problem with hreefrisors as much as some people as spokenly do as I think what will really determinehow good eva formattis is. If it's like the variety of strategies. That's allthat really matters to me, whether that's one prize or three Prizor forFriesor, and I think tag team actually did havea good variety of strategies that were cool and interesting and viable. Whether or not the VMAX WORAT willmaintain. That seems to remain to be seen, but I like how you evolve thevmaxis that's a little more interesting than Ta team just being slammed on theboard. It's sure. The only thing I really don't like is how the regular vsar basically just exes again yeah, because I thought exis were much moreunderwhelming mechanic than gxas right. Absolutely. You know at leastespecially to go back to that. You know so I on't know. Are you excited for vsJW? I mean, I think the B cards are cool. I think the three prize deckthree prize attackers lend themselves very well the competitive play in that you know you only have thirty minutesin a cup or in a challenge to playyour matches. So I just think that beingable to finish a match a little bit on the quicker side. Never I mean you know the longer. The gamegoes, the more room there is to make misplays or to outplayer opponent, but I do believe that with the threeprizors it will- and it has, I feel, like accelerated the strengthand, thegrowth of the game, just in general, from like an entry level standpoint tothe point that I think they're good for the game, even if they make the Gameseasier, we've seen that they haven't completelylike destroyed the stall mechanic stall, still bery good those. I think those types ofstrategies will always be good and be things that people can play, but I personally, like he, threeprizers, I think they're very good from a competitive play standpoint: Hamman,tm Yel, let's go thatd be fun. Yeah I mean were, I don'tknow it's kind of we're in an era of still expansion from an HP standpoint,somebody brings up. I was hoping we'd get to three hundred and FIFTYHP stagetwos and like we're not done yet right like it's not over. Yet, let's keep Goiahave to be. They have to be like the highest HP pokemon like ever right,because you can't, I could never see them going like thevmax plus or something, and it's just like double the size of Emac- that justnow we're getting ridiculous. What it fees like you combine. Twocards together, gives like six prizes and has six hundred heulth or something that would be crazy. Like I don't know,maybe that mechanic could be good if, like it said you can't bench anymore,pokemon or like you can't have a bench. You know so you're just against thisone dude, but it just still sounds so wrong that does sound pretty thass up. That would be kind of cool, though, ifthere's this like some pokon card, that was insanely powerful, but you can'thave a bench while you have it and like maybe maybe even like part ofthe abilities, just like you, pluck it out of your deck when you start andlike throw it in the active, so you don't Mulligan a million times, yeah tat that sounds like it. BEKINDICwhatthat'slast can hear as considering how quickly people lose interest informats. Could the world outside Japan support the Japan release schedule of aset or miniset every month V thoughts. I think that's fine. I, although I would contest like thebeginning of that, saying, considering how quickly people lose interest informats. I don't know if that's necessarily the case for for me. He Ithink there have been formats that I've...

...had a sustained interest in four monthsat a time. But yes, I do feel like I'm in a lallright now, so I'm going to be biased and say like of course I would wantmore mini sets to kind of spice things up, but I don't think it's quite so badas as maybe the question is painted it tobe. Although I will agree, I mean I always love an influx of new cards,always love an influx of new strategies, so I'd support it yeah. I T it's likekind of weird, because we got such massive sets right now that it gives usa lot to work with, and I think that, theoretically, that foremus Coul last awhile and there's still more to be discovered. I think part of it is how the teer twoevents and up ar are organized. So, if they're, all on one end of the format,that's typically when the most development and the format will happen.Just because that's one of the most top players are working on their decks andshowing them on the largest stage serving us to see them. I don't really think that a bunch ofminisets really solves anything because it just all that really does is dilutethe the quality of each individual set right like instead of getting youtuband Mycarr and Spon Deoxis, and all that stuff in one say, Itud be splitout over like two or three sets and would just make each individual setkind of underwhelming and feel kind of weird, at least with how he currentlystructured it so attur. I don't really think it would solve anything to havelike more compow, far menalize breakdowns. If anything, I would justmake it harder to be a consumer and player because you have to keep up withso much all the time. Yeah, that's the other part right that is just morecards means more expense to the player I mean they could maybe like May, likeyou alluded to not make the set so big to begin with, and then release like amini set later, but you know we'll see, we'll see whathappens. I would support it, but there are definitely pros an constable. So Iwe'll take two more questions. Theres one. I would like to hit on or not reallyquestion, but a comment. PK BEBBLA says that POK on vseam balse right now, butI'm afraid it will turn in to tack Teans fore it started. Balance thentook over the format. I don't know one to you that dikarom seemed balanced, but I think tactan started off prettybroken yeah. I mean I think it was like. I thinkwhen they say balanced, they're really referring to like there were evolution,decks one prize evolution dex. I think specifically adeck like weezing, whichs that sucks it well yeah. But you know it's stillexisted in the same format and you know I fid. That's not the fall of thepotact teams either it's the fault of, like we didn't, have any way to searchout one frisors or any weakness. Checkslike it's not like the tag teems were designed in such an incredibly brokenway relative to the original ones. It's sure we just have no checkes to themand right now sure yeah. I mean it's interestingright and for the last question of the night, Threvo td ass, do you feel dark,dragons or TURBA? Dark is better suited for the current Meta and expanded andhave you guys done any testing comparing the two I have only tested turbo dark. I feellike it is extremely strong. Dark dragons feels good from a conceptualstandpoint. I just am curious as to whether or not it is as streamlined. Obviously it's notgoing to you know you're trying to fit in more things, so it's not going to beas consistent. So that would be the biggest thing thatwould worry me about dark dragons. Obviously, that has like a more strong potential but you're, riskingthe already like and Turbardark, is already strong, so you're kind oftaking away some of the just inherent strength of the consistency ofturbidark and putting it into other things that make it maybe a bitstronger, but less consistent. So I would say: Stick with Turbo Dark ifyou're, finding that Thad deck is struggling in the things that you'replaying against are the things that your friends are playing against. Herin your local Meta then maybe start to look into dark dragons, but I don'treally think that Darg dragons adds anything that turbodar can't handle byitself. Yeah, I am inclined to agree and also dark. Dragons makes me alittle anxious because all the things that really make dragons special andgood, I'm thinking of Guiaritina and ATP are both get bodied by ranger,which people are already looking at putting in their decks, and so at thatpoint, why not to play a more consistent version. That'll hite, yourMax Lixers, every time which I love doing that yeah. The counter to that is t right is likeyou use your ATP use the GX attack and then you're immediately set up. If theydon't want sho, you you're immediately set up to just start acceleratingenergies and then at the point that you can accelerate energies you'R, you knowyou're going to go buck wild with how...

...much stuff you have in the field, sothat would be kind of the car counterarguments way Yorand. I mean Isee that, and I I was that to you as well as at the ATP, can accelerate thedarks whic, like so cool, but you know you're hitting thexloxsers less. You have to find these start Yourus Double Dragon Energies,which isn't that big of a challenge, but still, whereas you could, instead of gxattacking with a p turn one you can just knock something out, and so,instead of winning the game in two attacks after an ATPGX, you coul win itit either two attacks or three attacks, excluding the APGX. So right. So what'sthe point, I guess right exactly you know, like ATP, doesn't change the amount ofknockgots you have to take on a tack team. I guess, unless you're not goingto TA team in the Tuprizer sure Hor one prie or I guess which doesn't happen-that often I feel like the tag Tudex. You typically could knock out to tackgeams because they just have to hit the board fo that doesn't change anythingthere and then against two prize decks thatonly us suprisors, the ATP GX attack takes a turn, so you still have tospend threeturns attacking and then against one prize decks. Iguess is where really shines, but the only real one prizesex seemslike the ultenae, crasts Ma deck or maybe night marge, and you can probablyfiness them anyway, because you're dark, terve, Dagso right, I don't know it'll be fun. I'm really excited aboutthis expanded. You know. Control has had its time and our I was that that best deck Ithink pretty much undisputed, even in the regional that I won. If I had to goback and Redo it having the knowledge of the decks that were able to beplayed, like I think I would have played you know, AZORC or pigy control.That just seems to now. I could deck that that SA the best deck out of thatformat, so now that we lose chipship now that we lose reset stamnow that we lose surges, training method or whatever it is seargesstrategy, Leutente cating a at it's just it opens the format up tohaving a lot of viable attacking decks. I think it's very, very cool, yeah yeah.I think this expanof formais going to be really interesting and I'm excitedto share more with you all what we come up with o. So I think that's a it's apretty good stopping point for today. Is there anything else you wanted tosay before we hop off tow just remember to like and follow us on the twitteraccount that is, I'm going to pull up the handle here. Really quick, but yeahagain we're trying to make the twitter account some place to go to to you know,follow what we're doing when we go live and all that good stuff so follows thatat tag team pokemon on twitter and we're going to be doing a giveway again,like we said Christmas Day, give away look for that. You don't want to, youknow, be out of the loop for that. So follow us now an get all thatinformation when it comes back yeah and should Av Oure doing TAC team afterdark or Opo ur yeah we're going we're going live like as soon as we get offhere. So, let's, let's get to it cool all right. Well, thank you, everyonefor tuneand in today, and we will catch you all in the New Year, peese.

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