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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 1, Episode 12 · 1 year ago

11. New Year, Same Team

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All right, what is up everybody welcomeback to tag team. My name is Ryy holvert joined by my good friend, JuCree Wall, Gw, how you doing it' two thousand and twenty. What's going onwow, not a ton, rilet Notwuna, twenty, I'm full of optimism. I am infused with new life wow. Yes, yes,I'm a new man, a new man, W yes wow, I kind of like the old Jad of you does hehave to go well. I think it will be improved woafter my hair grows a little bit more yeah Ayou showed up for the people viewingthis kw showed up on stream today and he had like one of those bands thatpeople wild like men with long hair wear an he looked like a fifteen year oldlacross player, Yosalad, the filthy, Salad. So let is Bro. You were looking like you're lookinglike a snack for sure. So that's right. I asked that he you made me a chain o. The only had Ihave is like a one, leftover hat from the world's thing that I'm trying tosell on Ebay. So I just Beit It's pretty funny. DoesAnne like the the progression of the Manbun? Is She okay with this? No, butI think she respects it because for me, it's just trying to do something like it'sholding myself accountable in one small area to hopefully hold myselfaccountable in bigger areas, te one thing that I did all of twothousand and nineteen and I think I'll carry it over in to Wo Thousand andtwenty is like documenting all the spare change I find on the ground yea.It's such a stupid thing, but the idea is that if I can be disciplined in that subject material, then I'm getting moredisciplined on the whole or you just turning yourself intohaving obsessa convulsions. That could also be true. I didn't think about that. Yeah, I'm just kidding, I'm just kidding, I'mexcited to see the end result. Is that going to be the only appearance? Changefor dw is maybe like Blue Hair, Blue Ma Bun? Oh, Oh, I didn't even think aboutcolors. I was kind of honestly thinking about Mohawks Ogo. What do you think just like a big OldMohawk? I don't think you could do it well. That sounds like a challenge allright. Well, after the Manbon, you can shave it down. I do sounds like mydiscipline is being challenged and that it's it's something that I canstrive for. I think you might have the discipline to grow Mohak, but the theface for it it might be lacking. I don't know what that's supposed tomean. I need a few more piercings, you just don't look like the kind of guywho'd have a Mohawk here. I needed to split my tongue down the center ter MI. Did you ever see that SNLskitch with sket, with the the guys getting his horns, removed asa John Alany sketch? No, it's like this guy's coming in and hehas those like implented skin horn things, okay and he like brings hisgirlfriend into to like explain that he's getting them removed and John Lanis the doctor and she's like well? Are you going to keep your gauges like? Yes,I'm going to keep my gauges and I'm going to keep my calf holes and I'm AdJods like wait, capfles what it pulls in your cats. It's T it's just ridiculous, okay,because he has just all these weird yeah like absurd. Like bodymodifications, okay, okay, like his butkcrack, was a zipper orsomething Rodi. That's pretty funny! Yeah! It's prettyridiculous! You can senl me a link. You can sellie ill Suddyou er anyway. Weare now coming to point. Twentytw's growing is man Butn, but I thought whatbetter time than now to talk about goals for the year. So usually peopledo it by season, but I'm curious. What kind of things are we trying to achievein two thousand and twenty, but either on the podcast or in your own personalpokemon career or as a streamer? What is on the radar for JW in Two Thousandand twenty sure? For me, the personal goals that I have forcontent creation are to. You know, hit a certain subgoal ontwitch. That would be a big dream of mine to hit. You know two hundred subs.I think that would be a very feasible doable goal, which is basically wouldbe about doubling what I have now a little more than doubling what I havenow and then putting out more regularyoutube content. Youtube is not a platform that a lot of people see uslike growing, but I do think it's the...

...best way for content creators to getexposure at you know in its current iteration. So I just feel like havingmore presente on Youtube. Is a big deal for me and justpersonally to be able to take the videos whether or not it's just thingsthat I've recorded on a daily basis in reuploading them to youtube or makingsome youtube specific videos, which I have a few in mind. You know just doing more on Youtube-would be really great other things. I think we all could losea few pounds. Pokemon wise. I think you know we couldall win a few more tournaments, so those are kind of the whole Tthousan ad twenty goals for me yeahfor sure. So it seems like content creation is going to be a big focus ofyour wo thousand and twenty is there anything that you've done to like orhave in mind to bring those goals into reality, just being more present and being ableto use my time a little bit better. So I think, on a daily basis, I haveidentified some areas that I maybe don't have the best focus and so tryingto take those time periods, because one of my biggest in two thousand andnineteen one of my biggest things biggest problems was that, oh, Ididn't have enough time to you know upload things right, but then I kind ofwas realizing it and it just took this long break to kind of figure it outthat I waste a little bit too much time yening just on the in between things,Oh yeah, for sure you know what I mean I do yeah. So so that's something thatI'm trying to be more aware of trying to be more focused on and trying tochange, and hopefully that'll see. You know the benefits in the contantcreation, because that's what I want it, you know, hopefully that there will bebenefits in practicing. Obviously, that's a big thing right now for me, Itrying to practice four hours Aday, but also trying to run a twitch stream andthen hopefully trying to have more presence on Youtube. So it's justcutting out that in between time, I think it's really going to help open upmy day. Where now I feel like, I can't do everything, but I also feel like Iwaste a lot of time, so you know, maybe if I feel like, I can't do everything,but I utilize my time better, then I'll feel more fulfilled yeah. I totally understand at least thenyou're putting your foot forward to do everything. Yes, yes, exactly, I'mmaking the most use of my time and if I don't get around everything. Well, thenthat's not my fault, necessarily, it's The n passage of times fault yeah forsure I used to be a like a leadership camp counselor and we would always abig focus of the first couple days was like goals and objectives. Right waslike the things that we set and the objectives that are used to achievethese larger scope goals. So it sounds like you have a good sense of what youwant to do to get there. Is there any, like particular, discreet, steps thatyou're looking that are like measurable, maybe towards reaching these goals? Idon't necessarily think so. I mean I've been trying to brainstormthings. You know again, it's all kind of about reach and all kind of aboutinfluence, and so I want to do more things on twitter and I want to likepost like little videos, maybe clips of things that I really enjoy like a greatplay or something funny than happens, I'm just to kind of get that yeah. Iwas like Shared Se. Just send it out, so more people see it more people seewhat I'm trying to do. I mean that's the whole thing aboutcreating a following. I guess or being a creator is just that: the more eyeson it, the more chance that you're going to grow so trying to find thoseways to do that and then being again being more mindfulof the in between times those were kind of the two two small goals that 'llhopefully achieve. My big ergls yeah. Well, THAT'S AWESOME! Stuff! I know mepersonally. I'm specifically, I want to at least gettop four at another tournament this year at a regional yeah at the top atsnice, but the glass is what it counts: right, itfeels, so good it lookd! So Nice itdoes look pretty nice. Obviously it's a CRILIC, but it still looks nice. Have I been stopped at the airport eachtime I brought one home absolutely, but they are nice, impressive, pressiveyeah! I got my little fhrine. You can't see them because they're acrylic, butthey're right there, very nice yeah, it's Dan near Ipossible,to see you even ifso, at least ro, at least from what I'm looking, maybeyou're, getting like my laptop camera. Maybe you can see it better but surewhatever anyway I would love to. I would love to get top for at another.Regional or better, and part of that, for me is going to be practicing...

...every tournament that I do well isbirth from extensive practice most recently worlds. I had a lot ofpractice going into Consville. I had a ton of practice going into, andobviously Dallas was probably my most practice, tournament of all time so putting in those hours and I've beentrying to do that for Dallas coming up here, and we could talk more about that in a minute. But I've been just beendiscord chatting with some of my friends and like seeing throwing ideasaround and even if they're, not actively playing I'll, just like throwmy game up on their screen using the discord streaming thing, so we can just talk about what's goingon also just having hat like friendly manter of course, but so and of course, that's not I'm trying toideally not stop that Dallas right like to keep pushing those boundaries and tokeep trying to become better and practicemore. So I don't make silly mistakes, because I you know every so oftenyou'll go to like a leak cup or something I don't know if you ever hadthis problem, but I'll make like one stupid mistake and I'll think aboutthat for, like the rest of the day and like it won't necessarily impact myplay, but I'm like dayng like. Why did I do that? It absolutely happens. Yeah and I wantto you- know, bring that as close to zero as possible, of course so, and I Mso I'm really actively trying to work on that as a side. From being a player,though I just like want to kind of like grow, my localcommunity here in Madison, I feel like I've kind of like shelled myself up alittle bit in the past year. It's kind of hard adjusting to likeliving in a new place, having a new job and alse doing like the social and thePokemon, and I want to kind of like balance thatbetter. I don't think I have like a a sfreet objective to achieve that. Butit's like a long term. overwatching thing that I want to have in my yearsure, and then from the content front, I think last year was kind ofinteresting because e I feel like we actually did some really cool breatgroundbreaking by getting a consistent, high quality pokemon podcast out. So thank you for taking me up on my offerwhen I came to you at the start of last year and coming on this adventure withme, yeah yeah, it's kind of crazy. To think Imean it's been over eight months. I don't know exactly when we started thatwould be kind of a good thenwa. I feel like we started after Dallas, so in January yeah or at least like theend of January relly Febuary, it could be true. I mean it's just timeflies imASL. He I'm happy that we've gotten this far. This is very, very fun tohave a body of work that I can look back on and say. Yes, I achieved that.Yes, I did that and, like you were saying it's something that we haven'treally seen in Pokemi we've seen podcasts and we've certainly seenpodcast come up after ours, but what we haven't seen is a consistent podcast of you know, I don't want to say, workhigh quality, but like two very good players discussing the medagame orgeneral strategy about the game. We haven't really seen that and I thinkit's exciting. I think for me it's just a very cool thing to be a part of, andI can't wait to grow more in two thousand and twenty. Do you have anyideas rally about where you want to take the taxin podcast heading intwothousand and twenty I've thought about it? I've actuallytalked it over with my dad. He he'll occasionally listen. He doesn't reallyunderstand pokem on cards, but he likes to listen to podcast, so he'l give us alisten and he just enjoys like content, cration and the all the pieces that gointo that, so I've kind of like mulled over some ideas. I don't think I'vecome to anything conclusively, but at the very least I think keeping up theconsistency is something I want to do. I feel like we've done a really goodjob, especially the last couple months of being very consistent about it andthat's something that I think is actually really really valuable, because if you think about all of these,it's so easy to drop a project right and that's not a slam on anyone. I meanthere's plenty of weeks where I just didn't feel like. I had the energy toget on and talk about Pokemon for an hour, but it's about like pushing yourselfand especially for someone like me who has like a low social battery. I guessyou could say being able to push that further and further is something that Ipersonally take pride in, but even outside of tag team. I want to likecontinue to push content and what it means in Pokemon. I've been trying to like think about maybe doing videos or something butkind of like I don't know I've. I feel like the the game play era is kind of. I don't nt say it'sover, but it feels formulite to me at this point and that's not a slam onthat. It's just not something that I want to do. Is I'm trying to thinkabout like how I would pursue pokemo content in a different direction.Sure- and I have some ideas for that too, but I haven't put any of them topaper yet sure, that's cool yeah, that's cool yeah, and so I'm generallyjust excited for what twent wenty has you know I'm feeling good about thisyear, I'm feeling good too Raly and...

...together you know we can make our dreams happenfor sure man, Oh and youust talk about losing a few pounds. I actually want togain a couple more before it. I Yo, okay, tell you what I will send mine. Idon't think I want your particular pounds. I Will Ed mine to you, so I just remindme: your dress, send that in Facebook Messenger and then I'll just go aheadand ship them on over tomorrow. I think it's good. I can like express mailet well first off, that would be kind ofdisgusting to actually get in the mail. Second, I think I want to earn mypounds fair enough, fair enough, okay. Well. Well, maybe we could have like alittle competition. You know we could see like who gained the most versus wholoses the most. You know that's like I feel like that. Doesn't like Havea woneto an very spu and also like eventually I'LD, probablytake the weight off to like Yeah Don Yeah. You Bro you got to get those.What do they call these lats or something yeah your trap? That's up! YEAHR traps, al the traps, the Tradi yeah, so Riley.What advice do you have for anybodylistening? Who is you know, maybe a competitive player, thinking aboutbeing a competitive player heading in to o thousand and twenty I mean we'vebeen talking about goals. What are ways that the average listener can setgoals for the rest of their season. Are there anythings that come to mind whenyou think about setting goals for playing pokemon that you could imparton a listener? Yeah actually kind of hearkens back towhat I was saying about, like working in leadership camps is, I think you should have like a teared system toit. Right, like you, have an overall vision goal 's like maybe your visionis to be better pokemon and your goal, as a piece of that would be maybe to you know, do, however, weld origional.But how are you going to achieve that right? It's so maybe so you have tohave like actionable items that will help you get to that goal right. Ithink that's the important thing that gets lost in a lot of people is theydon't have a path to the goal. So if your goals to better a Pokemon, maybeyou have set aside time on the weekend where you're playing pokmon cards or,like you at least plan, to do that and you get on discord or you get on Tcgoand you you play and Co Converse with people about what is going on there and that that doesn't have to be acatchall solution. It could be any number of things, but it's just anexample of you know. Maybe let's say you and I wanted to practice more foran upcoming event. We could say: Hey, let's set aside three hours every Thursday and let's just get ondiscord and practice, and there you go and talk about and write downeverything that we do sure I overall, I think just measurable actions are ourkey and it even comes down to like, even when we get into discret testingsessions. You know I'm a huge fan of like writing down, what's happened andkeeping all my thoughts in order, and- and I see this at work too- I've seen this a work all the timeactually like The Times, I'm the most focused and get the most done is whenI'm keeping objective tasliks of thing I have to do when I need to do them andhow I can do them, and when I have all that, all that written down I get waymore done than when I come in and just like. Oh I'm, Goin no do my work today. It's the same thing with Pokmon and itit applies really everywhere. That's kind of like the approach that Iwould take. I don't know if you had any other angles that you wanted to attackthat from well, I just say like take it from the smallest level. If youwant to e win a regional, you can't think too big. You have tothink at the very basic gameplay level, the the turn by turn Carby Card leveland building those habits, and especially when I talk to people that Icoach and just talking about how they go through a turn. Sometimes there are just ingrainedhabits they di they just haven't even thought about that. They'll continue todo over and over again, not a knock on them, but just likethings that were working on getting out of, but taking the smallest most basicconcept and element of the game and just thinking about it extremely hard.So you are a hundred percent sure that you have that knowledge of the correctplay or the correct move to do. I think that's really reallyimportant kind of deconstructing. The way that you play the game has reallyhelped me kind of grow blossom and just putting that very mindful effort intothe smallest parts of the game where to attach where to retreat all thepossible plays. I could make with this hand what my opponent could have you knowthe list of cards they could play in...

...their deck. That would countermind allthese little things, but that can really add up over the course of timehas really helped me blossom in my gameplay yeah, it's funny because weactually it's almost like. We talked about the same theme but of flying itin different ways like working from the ground, all the way up to the panocorethat you're trying to achieve right right, because I think if I can comeback from a tournament and say that I did everything that I could to win theGames and I didn't win, then I will still be satisfied right. I will still be happy with myperformance. If I come back- and I say I did everything- I could you know thematchups weren't for me- The you know, the opponent had somecrazy play that they pulled out that I just never could have predicted or theyhit the nuts off of the reset stamp or whatever. It is that they that I didn't leave anything on thetable in terms of my own gameplay and in agre, and that's how I think how youcan be very satisfied going to tournaments how you can be fulfilledgoing to teraments. Even if you don't win the tournament and then, if you dothat long enough, that's how you see sustained success for sure man for sure.I, like that, a lot like that. A lot thanks for sharing speaking of two thousand and twentyactually and goal setting we actually did do at give away in honor of the NewYear. And so, if you weren't in he loop and Yo, maybe you didn't listen in lastweek or check out the twitter JW and I were doing a giveway for afull art, red and blue tag team supporter. We thought it would be kindof fitting kind of fits in with our vibe of being a tag team. I personally characterize myself as redthe more quiet serious one, an jwis, the goofy harasse kind of it just felt like a really good card torepresent us. I think jws with the here, so it wasperfect t Wasso. Anyway, we did a give away. We opened up on Christmas andeveryone who followed the art, twitter account light and retweeted was enteredand we drew a winner today shortly before the podcast aired. So if you are listening, I don't know, doyou have any esense of how to pronounce that name? I have no idea. I don't wantto BUTCHR it. I'm going to say my one ocio seems closest, I can get seems seemsreasonable, but we wilwell make another twee and well dmn you on twitter. Thankyou. So much for everyone who participated. We will be having moreGIV ways in the future, we're thinking of maybe doing more tack, teamsupporters, Ye h and kind of keeping a theme going for a little bit. But ifthere is something that's more appealing that give us that feedbackand we'd be happy to incorporate your ideas into our future endeavorsabsolute and if you haven't yet make sure you check out the tag team,twitter, it's just Tagtein, Pokemon, really easy to find and that's whereyou can get. The latest updates on ntredo unite in tournaments and the tegand the tacting pockest itself and Jut start general whole content creation.So thank you, everyone for the sport so far and we look forward to bringg youmore of that in two thousand and twenty absolutely cool so shifting gears. Wehave just a mere few weeks left until the Dallas Regional Championship. Ibelieve it's just two and a half weeks away now, which is kind of surreal.It's coming ut really fast, but nevertheless, expanded hasn't reallybeen explored at origional championship. Yet in this format- and I feel likethere's a lot that is changed. Obviously, with all these bands and newcards there's been quite a bit of a shakeup, it feels like with some holefavorites like turbodark, obviously staying good, so JW. Let's start withyour current perspective on expanded, I know you and I both have tested to fairamount at this point. What are your current thoughts on what maybe the top three decks are andwhy those fit into those positions yeah, I think the top neck for me headinginto the regional is Gardiwar. I think the deck is just insanely poised for this Metagame. Very, very strong, great gx attack really easy to set up like veryconsistent. I think it has all the tools to just be the deck the hot deck and, if not thehotdeck at least Ta deck that performs extremely well just generally speaking, I think it haseverything to win the tournament. You know you can put in Megalo Poney ifyou're worried about like dark. That could be kind of a cool thing that youcan do, there's just a lot of ways to play around with the deck you getthings like Cynthian, Katlin, Gozmahala. Those are Malolana all thesetag team supporters that really help it the tag call engine is kind of goodwith it as well, but really really...

...strong, I mean silen. I have such agood card right now power plant such a good card right now, so I think anydeck that can really abuse that is going to go far. So that would be mytop choice right now, heading into the rednalso. I would say number two for me:Is My favorite Moutu box, freaking love that deck so good. I think there are alot of ways to outplay your opponent with the myriad of attacks that areavailable. You just have outs to anything that you can, that you canimagine, and then I would say, number three is probably just classic TurboDark. The negg is very strong, not my choice. I don't think like. I wouldplay it, but I definitely see it performing well an cups, and I wouldconsider it one of the best decks in the format. I think a lot of peoplewill take it whether or not it'll win the tournament I don't know, obviouslygot really close in Roand Oak, but for me it's just a consistent,strong archetype that I think a lot of people will choose for good reason,yeah, and I would more or less echo what you would say as far as the topdecks, I think turbo dark is really kind of establish itself now, as kindof the top dog AF. This format yeah, actually almost feels like, has alittle bit of a strangle hold where it's pushing decks out and if you can'thandle turbo dark, it feels like your deck, is less and less viluable by theday as trotable turb darks ar topping every single cup. Yes, yes, I mean the decx is ridiculous. The onlyproblem I have with playing something like turbo dark is a you're going to becountered, obviously, but then be turbo. Dark mirrors arejust some of the worst man they're, so crappy ye h. You know any mirror where it's justlike you're trying to spit damage on the board always feels terrible and ifyoull skillless- and you know whoever hits the Goozmas or whoever hits themaxlixers just ends up winning and that's just like a frustrating way toplay your tournament, so I'm always hesitant to play a deck like TERMIDARC.If I think it's going to be very popular because I don't want to end upin that situation, yeah Guardion, I think, is pretty good. Ithink it doesn't take as good of a matchup to turbit archas I would like,but I like it overall as a deck, and I don't think the Terpe Dargmatchup is so problematic than it's omplayable either, whereas I think you actually take likean auto l, detara dark. You shouldn't, play your deck right and I don't thinkGarde's that bad just because it has silent lab mostly right right. I ll. I still think the matches verygood, but it's such a good deck in otherareas like it really gives like one price decks a hard time. It gives Zorica pretty hard time and those are all things that are pretty appealing goinginto a tournament like this. So Yep and third, I would probably alsosay MOU to with maybe Zoro Garb, is like an honorable mention. I think bothof them are pretty solid decks. I want to experiment more with me to, and Iadmittedly haven't put as much time as I would have wanted to so far in you to, but I want to try out taking moreadvantage of Goosemahala and DC and using a different array of attackersthan we previously had available, especially, I think the main thing thatyou and I ha both talked about both with each other and on the podcast- isincluding Megala, honey and using GC in that way to spit damage out reallyreally fast and aggressively. Yeah, absolutely yeah,because you have just so many. You know things like terrodar right,they're, going to play a ton of GX's things like I don't know, almost any other deck like gxis andexis are where the format starts and ends and expanded in termsof every deck plays them to set up. You always have Shamans, you always havetdenes Lales, all these kinds of things and then, if you're playing a deck likeZORARC, you know. Obviously your main attack- or you know your main supportis a gx. So should be good ind a lot of different matcheps Megalo Poney. Iexpect that to be not maybe heavily played, but certainly in you know, havesome very decent representation in the top. Thirty two in Dallas Yeah,especially alongside cards like Youtu and guardofward, which can easilyfulfill that third energy without much extra hassle, so y I mean dark, couldeven take advantage of it pretty easily. If they wanted to that's that's true,it would be a little bit harder with dark, but yeah definitely a littleharder, but if they have we vial up it's more trivial. I guess sure.Absolutely absolutely so. Definitely looking in those kind ofdirections, we actually have a question: it chat about rallet eggs. I thinkthat's another deck that probably actually might deserve a top three spot. I think the deck's pretty good. Stillit lost let loose mar shadow which hurts, but I don't think its the end ofthe world.

The only problem is it's. You know itjust has like the inherent flaws of being a counterable strategy, but Idon't think it's on people's radars enough to necessarily be to be bad andhaving the basic lock and is a good enough. She had o GE versus a lot ofDEK fight Sol it's true. It's crazy yeah, it's just it's so strong, socounterable, but so strong, and I do not really expected to performthat. Well, just because turbo dark should be such a good play and I feellike yes, you can win that matchup, but if the turbo dark player is buildingtheir deck to have a more favorable rallit, eag matchup and you end upplaying that deck, you know I the matchup multiple times in a single day.I could see you beating it. You know maybe half the time, but if you justplay too many times and their necks are tech to beat you or even just shiftedslightly to have more favorable cards against you,then it'll just be it'll, be a rough day for the Rallet explayer, I thinkyeah. So those is the top decks kind of on the radar right now. Is there anything else that you've kindof either experimented with or I've seen a lot of? I mean ocean, a Crosmohas been everywhere. I feel, like we've talked about it multiple times now Idon't think my thoughts have really developed anymore on it. Is thereanything else, that's kind of catching your eye at the moment, or at leastthat you're, seeing a lot of yeah one thing that I've been seeing a lot onAfante and I mean people are bringing up in the chaw right now. Is the dollsyou get. Then you litally spoke Itdall as well as the Robo substitute. So nowyou have right also and your ranger, then back in Yowould yeah, you wouldyou would play it with like a rangroeor you play with sable I or something likethat where you can just continually reuse these dolls and decyor pointed out. I don't know thatthat strategy is so good. I think that it struggles mightily, I imagine Ihaven't actually played the matchup, yet I imagine that it strugglesmightily with things like sizementode things like Mutu with noivern, thus making it not that viable in myopinion, but I'm sure someone will try it and I'm sure someone will do well with it.I just don't know that it has the juice to make it through the Roundsnestar towin the tournament yeah I to be fair. I don't think I've seenenough of the deck to really have a big judgment on it, but it seems kind oflike a shaky strategy to me, ture at a high level, there's also things likeeven more on the fringe stuff like Shocklock, I think, actually is a lotof potential right now. It just topped one of the cups in Iowa. I believe- andI don't really see people talking about it or playing a lot of ways to dealwith it di. You have any thoughts about chaklock as a deck right now. Wellagain, I don't. My testing might be warping how I feelabout Chaklock, but when you play a Mutu deck that has two stealthy hoods,I don't really see that shocklock being an issue you can lost on a couple lulapups onthe first turn like it just seems like it shouldn't well MOU to is probablythe hard matchup. I don't think Selfyhd is really even that big of a factorthere, though, because they're just going of blower it well they'll blowerit for sure for sure, but you play to. I don't know. I think the biggest thingis just like the early aggression right, I think, like the early boom burst orLos Pomerang or Venus Orr gx attack is La really is scary for for Shackclock,but I mean not. Every deck is mu to either, thoughthere's so many other matchups which seem so ridiculous. That's true! That's true! So I don'tknow yeah I mean the biggest thing. Is LikeI don't know, I'm probably not going to play shock lock for the tournament I actually, I almostwill say I will not play Shok lack or Dallas Coward Coward right exactly. Iknow you're all over it, but you know. Certainly there is someviability there. That's the thing about expandidg and trying to outline ametagame for expanded, and I don't know, there's been a lot ofdiscussion about metal manipulation, but there's really only so many decks. Youcan test. So the problem with that is that you have to kind of go with thebig decks that are very good and kind of my suggestion to people if they'retrying to go into an unknown PEDA game is to really disect the best dex in theformat and then, if you have like a counterplay or rogue play, then putsome time into that, but there's just so many decks in the format. There'stoo many decks that you could possibly make you have to find some way to likefunnel it down igt. I some way to to cut the cut the excess and so you'rejust going to have this kind of centralized metagame or, at the veryleast you're going to have people talking about a centralize metigameyou're, going to hear people bring up turbo dark over and ever you're goingto hear people bring up, Guardi you're...

...going to hear people bring up alternateacross one, but that's because there's just so many decks and so many optionsso itwould be pretty exciting. I mean I always love going into these expanded metagames because you reallycould play anything and succeed yeah. Well, I don't know anything butwell, okay, I don't know about a theme deck, but you probably get a few ties.Wor The theme deck at's, putting a little little bit oflow faith, and I I also was experimenting. I told youabout this the other day. I don't really feel the need to keep the secetor anything I was playing with a pitgy deck and I tried really hard for a bunch ofhours to make it work. And, to be honest, I think I got the lock toexactly where I needed it to be, but the problem is. It doesn't feel thatgood, like the early game, feels way better and expanded bet don', but thelate game, it's like worse it exvnded than in standard, which feels reallydumb. It's like o oven playing this teck anymore yeah, especially with liketh, the Cabos that I wuld try. You basically have to lock your Pon ot oneprize, whereas before you cand lack them at like two three using t discardcards, but now you have to be more creative, with the way that you shuffleyour upon its hand and discard cards, because all the shuffle and this cardis bean basically Soso, it's just like yeah, yeah, ykes fo right right. Ithink I think to there thereare DEX like fight guys. I just consider that adeck right you have encompassing fight guys. You know landeris things likeBuzzwoll, Lik and rock things like Ticario Orio. I think ICARIO isprobably the premeor fighting deck at this point. Yeah, which is it's youknow, and these things that will also crop up. I think they'll see somesuccess. People just choose to play them to specifically counter darkbox. Idon't love those strategies, necessarily because you know if youpick something like Lukario, you obviously just get destroyed bysomething like mouto and so yo licario with lanas fishing rad. I would, Iwould be very hesitant to play a direct counterdeck like fight guys. TURBA darkis very good. I wouldn't play something just solely fighting. We have a lot ofmentions in the chat here of counterbox, something like that. That maybeincludes like a a buzzwle baby buzz wl might be good, might see some play, butI wouldn't play something that just only has you know like one good match up for twogood mattes yeah. That's that's the thing about expanded,it's just like there's so much going on and I think that's kind of what you'regetting at earlier there's just it's so hard to account for what the medigamewill look like, because you really don't know yeah. Well- and the problemtoo is like because we're talking here and we're trying to provide insightonto what the metagame will be, and I mean I think we're doing the best jobthat we can. But that's the problem, too, is like we're talking about thesedecks, we're testing these decks and then like we could have some newinformation come to us later on that just completely warps the way with that,we view the format. You know somebody could come up with this busted deck andlike and show it on Hayfante or something,and then everybody knows about it and then now that's the counterplay. Youknow that that literally could happen tomorrow and it's just it's so crazy becauseanything could happen yeah, but it's Oan, because anything could happen for sure. I think the large card poolinexpanded really opens itself up to that. I actually been like a littledissatisfied with this current standard, so I'm also excited to dip into justlike a huge pool and figure out something that I specifically reallylike and think is really strong, which is one of the appealing aspects thatexpanded to me. Sure. Any other thoughts that you wanted to drop anyknowledge bombs. You wanted to throw it as Stra FW about expanded yeah. I really enjoyed Guzman Hala when whenit was first released for you know for expanded Metagame, I thinkit's good. It was good in Mu to. I thought it was good in Gardy. I thought it was good, an altern,a Crosmo, I'm a little bit less high on it. Now considering the amount of silent labthat I've been seeing online and just that should be played, I feel like it's really like. You can't play eggsnecessarily to get around the discarding and I just feel like gettingrid of the getting rid of all. The resources inhand is kind of bad with the Goozan Hal. So I haven't personally been playingthe Goozman Holl and my mutu list. I think that's kind of new, because I wasonlike two. Oh it's the best hard, but yeah you're really hiped for that card,wehave it you have enough. You have enough draw with things like Shaman and Dedeanand Lale that you shouldn't need to...

Goosemahala and search for specificcards like that. So I don't know that's kind of my that's my thing that I found through testing, atleast in the Mutu deck. I haven't needed, Goosmahala same kind of thingalmost in Guardi. I don't know that it's necessarily needed. Definitelywould play it in something like alternate Crosmo, though, where youabsolutely need know those energies, an youon like for a that's the biggest piece of inside. Icould give yeah. The only reason I would really like Ismunhollen Youtubeis, if you're playing a thin DC line, because then you can just pluck it Yep.That's the that's the reason I like the card still as opposed to exclusivelytrying to draw into it so cool. Well, I think I think it'sjust so hard to hea on everything expanded, we'll keep trying to delivereverything that o know every week. So I'm sure that they'll benew things to talk about new decks that we've tested that have failed,neudextahav tested that have maybe it succeeded so we'll keep plugging awayat it for sure I'll, stop playing pitgy and actually try and play a deck thattakes prizes. Well, we know you love your lockdecksand I would be interested to see how something like a Mu, Tu, Zork deck wood,fair in expanded. That was obviously one of the better decks at the end of like last year's expanded format. Youknow just four four sizes Mon toad four fours Zorok in a bunch of you know all supporters and things like thisLazers and stuff like that id be curious to see how that works. In thiscurrent standard. ourgives me this current expanded format. There are afew other ways I want to go tonight, I'm going to be testing Archieseblastoise, which I think should be good. Theoretically, like a theoretic, Yehits theoretically super good, but archies man Arg. I know exactly. I wantto try with the dust gull yeah. The dust calls good. The dust calls bereally broken. Somebody says here a night march in the chat, and I marchagain it. This is why it's so hard to talk about expendit. What's that yeahthis Isi hard yeah exactly exactly because you're like well, I haven'treally tested it, but it seems fine because it used to be good. That's how kind of how I feel aboutniht March. It should lose to Meutu, though I will continue to ride the MuTu train because it wasn't prepared for control last format, butnow that control deck should you know not be playend in this forma or atleast not be played in the same manner that they were played in, I think, hastime to to thrive, yeah yeah for sure anyway, Yeah NigMarch, I don't know, couldn't see it for me, but should say y rign yeah. Ithink some people like it a lot and there's certainly merit to night march. I don't think it's a bad play at all,really due at least at least not right. Now, people don't seem to care about itmuch right now, so you can kind of get away with playing night march. It'swhen people start remembering nightmarch. That I mean I got ta sayItem Lock is really strong right now. You know. Item Lock is really strong.Yeah I mean you can say you could say that sentence tat any time in anyfortat. I just don't think that it's not strong. I don't. I don't think I've ever heard a coldertake than item lockits strong. You know, like everyone. Everyone knowsthat I hope well, yeah, probably guys you're not going to believe this,but Adam lock is good Oly Ecting, it Er, really traticg new ground and to cool. So I think, that's probably asfar as ago this week, we'll have a more dedicated episode next week, toarsexpanded. So if you do have questions feel free to sweet them, add us at tagteam pokemon. So we can be sure to look at those. But if you have any questionsright now, I think now is a perfect time that we could open up the floorand answer some chat, questions, Chad questions so be it expandedstandard or really whatever ell ee out in your mind, wthousand and twenty goal, setting twothousand and twenty goalsetting advice anything feel free to drop. It is therea funny goal that you have Riley? Is there something that like is not reallya major goal, but you're like that, could be kind of cool? Do you have a personal example like you really want to travelsomewhere, or you really want to do this weird hobby or I don't think I have anything inparticular. I've really gotten into like these weird, like...

...sweatshirts, like I have the all thesecuronaxs. I have the Pizza Planet One and the one Thas is salty and Ithisyikes one. That's not really a goal, but I want more of these kind of thing.Let's get a tag: team, sweatshirt, WHA, wouldn't even look like and how Wdo weget it produced. I don't know, but it'd be so busted, wouldn't it it would bebusted but yeah. I want. I want more fun, swatshirts, okay, those are cool. I like the Yiks,so UN Sifer ASS, top five standard decks before sort and shield, so I'm not a huge fan of the standardformat, but I think deck are starting t to kind of organize themselves and Ithink at least the top three right now to me. Look like I think. Teeno chop isslotifying itself as being really really good. It's so simple and that'scpreatest benefit IIS, tit sthough. It is yeah, it's likebecause you can always len your attack right base. Surely, and that's likesetting you up to actually knock things out, yeah, it's actually pretty good and theroxy engine seems like Super Janky, but like it kind of just works yeah. So I actually really a fan of that. Iwas at a cup today actually earlier today and all of a sudden from it went from zeroto a hundred where nobody was playing Tina Chop in the area and now like athird of the room, was, and they all were doing pretty well,and I was pretty surprised actually so it's I think, that's looking to be a topdeck right now. I think pitgy is still like a fine deck. I don't, I think it sstruggles with the Tina shot deck a little bit sure as well as Mumio can bekind of tough, but I still like it. I think Malimar is really good rightnow. It's shown some repeated success and then kind of on the fringe. I thinklike Mu to and ATP are both decent choices as far as like top five choicesat it. What do you have any variation from what I've said so far? I don'tthink so that that pretty much encompasses this Tan I played pigy.Today at my cup I did okay, I was I went three and three had e mee had some bad beats. I reallyshould probably pack up the PITGY, although it was really the mistake was ultimately we took out. We played themew Portina Chop in Ohio, and then I took it out because nobody was playingTeanto shop around here. I looked at. I looked at multiple weeks of results andthere as no Teena shons an any cut and then a ridiculous about toto peopleplay Da job. Today you got so yeah yeah. It was funny it as reallyfunny yeah. If I had the view, I would have had a way better day, because Iwas starte off two and one hate to see it and the matchup to thetop were like a little better n, the matcheps in the middle. It was just it was an overall bizarrday. I had a lot of different bad beads for sure, but it was fun like Itte's,like kind of fun, so I do enjoy good ditge I like airmail, is one airmail isreally fun talk about Un deck or fun abilities.That's definitely one of the. I can't wait for the new Menchino yeah. I meanI'm a sucker for Sur. It's Ilaskahera ask Yeah: How do you prickthe best deck to test for format? So you don't end up hitting the day of thetournament and find Thaut the deck you've been practicing suck. Well, I think, there's always a nonzrchance that happens right. I, like maybe you're testing against the wrongthings or there's some secret deck that you weren't, prepared for which makesyour deck sucky in comparison or has like a really bad matchup. It's always possible, but I thinkultimately playing the most games against the widest variety of decks andkeeping track of how those games go either. Just like mental mentally,noting it or actually jotting it down, which I personally like to do is the best way to do it. If you haverecorded data, it says your deck looks really good going to this tournament.Then you made the best choice. You could right, like you did you did yourhomework? That's that's what I'm saying yeah, and that goes back to what I kindof talked about to is just like when you put in that effort, and you youhave that all documented, and you know going in like my matchups that are good.Are here my matchups that are bad are here and I know how to play thosematchhops and you come away, and you know you faced all the good matchupsand you made day to and like you're patting yourself on the back like youdid. You did your homework and you performed well. But if you do yourhomework and you don't do well like you- can still come out of theresaying hey, I'm proud of myself for what I did, because I showed the effortnecessary to perform oil, it just riht,...

...yeah and there's this there's, alwaysthe nonyer chance of a secret deck that beats yours or whatever. The one thing.One thing I will say is make sure that when you do that testing that you're testing its a Wi variety ofthings and not limiting your scope so much, because that can very quicklywarp your perception of what a format looks like like. Yes, we listed the topthree decks that weeach haven't expanded, but if you've listened totheold podcast, you know, there's like a million decks and ex tanded there'sso many things that can happen. So you know, even if you beat all three of thetop three decks, you could still have five rounds against random stuff, andif you lose to all of that random stuff, then your deck is bad. Still, yeahhundred Percentur yeah yeah, having just as wide of a scope of the metagame,is possible, and this is kind of where I like expanded, where you can kind oflook back on previous results and get a very good feel for how things should goand how matchups should go, but still with, like some new spice that you know with the new set like that,could make something else good. This is where I like this holistic view ofexpanded and just having experience with these cards over a long period oftime. You know yeah just the more time thatyou put into it the more you're going to get out of like knowing okay. Thisis good. This deck is good. This card combination is very good versus thisother card combination, which maybe it isn't as good so Mitchmaster, reaching back towardsgoals and askin. How to you set a goal. That is not so easily achievable, butnot next to himpossible, so they gave an example relating to topping cupsversus daytuing at regional, and I think, ultimately, it's hard to likediscretize right. Like it's hard to say you know what is the difference betweentop aiding a bunch of cops verses day, toing, one regional, because it itdepends on all sorts of different things. I think, generally, if your Lo, if yourgoal, let's say, is to top thirty to regional and to get the money or tojust dick the experience of being in day to whatever that means to you, then your goals, sould simply to be tobe better at Pokemon. Right like that, should be your overarching goal andsomething that would be measurable would be daytoing, origional, Gativ topthirty two, and how would you get and then you go the step lower? How do youdate to Oregional? Well, you have to practice lock going into that regionaland know your matchups really well, and you know how do you practice alot? Willyou establish a testing group or have set testing plans to do that, and soyou just keep stepping down those stairs until you get to really widethings that are much more easy to chew achieve and once you climbed thosestairs, the next goal becomes easier and easier to achieve, because you'vealready done so much legwork getting ittiex up. Yep, absolutely coop couldn't have said it better myself,righly! Thank you. It Ov you an Gaso, Onde and six five ass, who do youthink, is generally favored in the Tina Chap versus Malmar matchup in standard,and why D v have any thoughts on this? I do not. I Apologize. I have ihave not playedthat matchup, specifically so yeah. I don't want to give anyincorrect information on that matchup in particular yeah I think Teina chapsounds like it would be favored or like in my experience has been favored ifit's able to get the right routes to winning, particularly if it's able to save it'sMismagius and get to the three price Tur and take advantage of the babyblown. Those are Oll things that make it better in the matchup Suri think itcan really go either way. So I don't, I don't think it's like. I was seventy thirty or anything crazy likethat, but I think teina chop is slightlyfavorite sure yeah makes sense. What do you think suffer? What deck doyou think suffers most from the new supporter rule? That is upcoming? It's got to be walderdex right, I wasgoing to say it has to be things like abilities. Art I think of mostspecifically Mutu should probably be fine, but abilities are just definitely wantsthat turn one welder and definitely is not going to get itin a couple months, yeah for sure PGTS. How does ATP deal with Roxy Chump?I don't think it really. Does you know you? Can you play two ATPSthey're going to gg ad one kill the other before yougx attack withit. So at that point, what do you do right, Yeu just play with only Keldios andattach manually for six turns at. It seems like a recipe for disasterabsolutely,...

...and I think this can be the lastquestion before we transition into your exstream dw bobbintodle ass. Do youthink that Chincino wiplace Pigioto inpigioto control? Yes, yeah? I mean I'm leaning towards he s.You might still play a pitgy or to just to be able to clean draws post thadiscard, but especially I were getting like morerecycle cards so like the fishing Rod, which makes it easier to use trade. Theonly thing that makes me a little bit anxious about Chinchinois the fact thatY that trade can be costly in this format like you're discarding, can becostly in this wonit in the pcioto deck, but with fishing rod that completelycircumvence that issue, because you just fishing yor out it a bunch ofenergy and Pokemon, and you just trade, those so right, exactly exactly yeah.That's that's a hundred percent right, so yeah Ti Sotow. It seems like betterin that instance right because it draws twice as fast like you see the same ount of carts butyou're thinning your deck twoice as fast, so right, cool cool. Well, I think we've hit alot of awesome stuff this week. JW. Thank you so much for joining me andthank you chat for being a part of this. As always, we look forward to bringingmore Awesobe tecting content in two thousand and twenty, and if you haveany questions, advice or ideas feel free to shoot that over to our twitter,Attacktin pokemon and be sure to follow J and I individually as well at flux,steady, righteous and at smiles with Riles, and with that we are signing offand we'll see you next week, Ace.

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