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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 1, Episode 12 · 2 years ago

11. New Year, Same Team

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

All right, what is up everybody? Welcome back to tag team. My name is Riley Hulbert, joined by my good friend JW Curry. Wall, JW, how you doing? It's two thousand and twenty. What's going on? Wow, not a ton, Riley. No, twenty, twenty. I'm full of optimism. I am infused with new life. Wow. Yes, yes, I'm a new man, a new man, JW. Yes, wow, I kind of like the old JW. Does he have to go? Well, I think it will be improved. Wow, after my hair grows a little bit more. Yeah, you showed up for the people viewing this. JW showed up on stream today and he had like one of those bands that people would like men with long hair wear do. He looked like a fifteen year old Lacrosse flare, Yo Salad, the filthy salad, lettuce, Bro you're looking like you're looking like a snack, for sure. So that's right. I asked that he would on the had you made me change. The only had I have is like a one leftover hat from the world's thing that I'm trying to sell on Ebay. So it's just it's pretty funny. Does and like the progression of the man Bun. Is She okay with this? No, but I think she respects it because for me it's just trying to do something like like. It's holding myself accountable in one small area to hopefully hold myself accountable in bigger areas. The one thing that I did all of two thousand and nineteen, and I think I'll carry it over into two thousand and twenty, is like documenting all the spare change I find on the ground. Yeah, it's not a stupid thing, but the idea is that if I can be disciplined in that subject material, then I'm getting more disciplined on the whole. or You just turning yourself into having obsessive convulsions? That could also be true. I didn't think about that. Yeah, I'm just good. I'm just gooding. I'm excited to see the end result. Is that going to be the only appearance? Change or dw? It's maybe like a blue hair, blue man bon? Oh, I didn't even think about colors. I was kind of honestly thinking about Mohawks. What do you think? Just like a big Old Mohawk? I don't think you can do it. Well, that sounds like a challenge. All right. Well, after the man Bun, you can shave it down to. Sounds like my discipline is being challenged and that it's it's something that I can strive for. I think you might have the discipline to girl Mohawk, but the face for it might be lacking. I don't know what that's supposed to be mean. I need a few more piercings. You just don't look like the kind of guy I'd have a Mohawk. Here. I needed to split my tongue down the center. Nerem, did you ever see that SNL sketch with sket with the the guys getting his horns removed as a John Laney sketch? No, it's like this guy's coming in and he has those like implanted skin horn things, okay, and he like brings his girlfriend into good to like explain that he's getting them removed, and John Lane's the doctor, and she's like well, are you going to keep your gages? Like yes, I'm going to keep my gages and I'm going to keep my calf holes and I'm edge. Jud's like wait, caff holes, holes in your caps, it's for it's just ridiculous, okay, because he has just all these weird. Yeah, like absurd, like body modifications. Okay, okay, like his butt crack was a Zipper or something ridiculous. That's pretty funny. That's what you're ridiculous are. You can send me a link, you can tell I'll send you like later. Anyway, we are now coming to two thousand and twenty. twow's growing as man bud, but I thought what better time than now to talk about goals for the air. So usually people do it by season, but I'm curious what kind of things are we trying to achieve in two thousand and twenty, either on the podcast or in your own personal pokemon career, or is a streamer? What is on the radar for JW in Two Thousand and twenty? Sure, for me, the personal goals that I have for content creation are to, you know, hit a certain sub goal on twitch. That would be a big dream of mine to hit, you know, two hundred subs. I think that would be a very feasible, doable goal, which is basically would be about doubling what I have now a little more than doubling what I have now, and then putting out more regular youtube content. Youtube is not a platform that a lot of people see as like growing, but I do think it's the best way for content creators to get...

...exposure at you know, in its current iteration. So I just feel like having more presence on Youtube is a big deal for me and just personally to be able to take the videos, whether or not it's just things that I've recorded on a daily basis and re uploading them to youtube or making some youtube specific videos, which I have a few in mind. You know, just doing more on youtube would be really great. Other things, I think we all could lose a few pounds pokemon wise, I think, you know, we could all win a few more tournaments. So those are kind of the whole two thousand and twenty goals for me. Yeah, for sure. So it seems like content creation is going to be a big focus of your two thousand and twenty. Is there anything that you've done to like or have in mind to bring those goals into reality? Um, just being more present and being able to use my time a little bit better. So I think on a daily based has I have identified some areas that I maybe don't have the best focus and so trying to take those time periods, because one of my biggest in two thousand and nineteen, one of my biggest things, my biggest problems, was that, oh, I didn't have enough time to, you know, upload things right. But then I kind of was realizing it, and it just took this long break to kind of figure it out, that I waste a little bit too much time doing just on the in between things. Oh, yeah, for sure, you know what I mean. I do. Yeah. So so that's something that I'm trying to be more aware of, trying to be more focused on and trying to change and hopefully that I'll see, you know, the benefits in the content creation, because that's what I want to you know, hopefully that I'll there will be benefits in practicing. Obviously that's a big thing right now for me. I'm trying to practice four hours a day, but also trying to run a twitch stream and then hopefully trying to have more presents on Youtube. So it's just cutting out that in between time. I think it's really going to help open up my day, where now I feel like I can't do everything, but I also feel like I waste a lot of time. So, you know, maybe if I feel like I can't do everything, but I utilize my time better. Then I'll feel more fulfilled. Yeah, I totally understand. At least then you're putting your foot forward to do everything. Yes, yes, exactly. I'm making the most use of my time and if I don't get around everything while then that's not my fault necessarily, it's the passage of times fault. Yeah, for sure. I used to be a like a leadership camp counselor and we would always a big focus of the first couple days was like goals and objectives. Right, was like the things that we set and the objectives that are used to achieve these larger scope goals. So it sounds like you have a good sense of what you want to do to get there. Is there any like particular discrete steps that you're looking that are like measurable maybe towards reaching these goals? I don't necessarily think so. I mean I've been trying to brainstorm things. You know, again, it's all kind of about reach and all kind of about influence, and so I want to do more things on twitter and I want to like post like little videos, maybe clips of things that I really enjoy or like a great play or something funny that happens just to kind of get that. Yeah, posts like shared. See just send it out so more people see it, more people see what I'm trying to do. I mean that's the whole thing about creating a following, I guess, or being a creator, is just that the more eyes on it, the more chance that you're going to grow. So trying to find those ways to do that and then being again being more mindful of the in between times. Those are kind of the too, too small goals that will hopefully achieve my bigger rules. Yeah, well, that's awesome stuff. I know. Me Personally, I'm specifically I want to at least get top for another tournament this year at a regional yeah, have the top eights nice, but the glass is what counts, right. Feels so good. It looks so nice. It does look pretty nice. Obviously it's a cylic, but it still looks nice. Have I've been stopped at the airport each time I've brought one home? Absolutely, but they are nice. Press, impress. Yeah, I got my little shrine. You can't see them because they are acriylic, but they're right there. Very nice. Yeah, it's Dang here, impossible to see you, even if so, at least right, at least from what I'm looking. Maybe you're getting like my laptop camera. Maybe you can see it better, but sure, whatever. Anyway, I would love to I would love to get a top for it another regional or better. And part of that for me is going to be practicing every tournament that...

I do while I is birth from extensive practice. Most recently worlds, I had a lot of practice going into Collinsville, I had a ton of practice going into and obviously Dallas was probably my most practice tournament of all time. So putting in those hours and I've been trying to do that for Dallas coming up here, and we could talk more about that in a minute. But I've been just been discord chatting with some of my friends and like see throwing ideas around and even if they're not actively playing, I'll just like throw my game up on their screen using the discord streaming thing so we can just talk about what's going on whilso just having that like friendly to enter, of course, but so and of course that's not I'm trying to ideally not stoped at a Dallas right. Like to keep pushing those boundaries and to keep trying to become better and practice more so I don't make silly mistakes, because I you know, every so often you'll go to like a leak up or something. I don't know if you ever have this problem, but I'll make like one stupid mistake and I'll think about that for like the rest of the day and like it won't necessarily impact my play, but I'm like Dang, like, why did I do that? It absolutely happens, yeah, and I want to, you know, bring that as close to zero as possible. Of course so, and I'm so I'm really actively trying to work on that. As a aside from being a player, though, I just like want to kind of like grow my local community here in Madison. I feel like I've kind of like shelled myself up a little bit in the past year. It's kind of hard adjusting to like living in a new place, having new job and also doing like the social and the POKEMON and I want to kind of like balance that better. I don't think I have like a discrete objective to achieve that, but it's like some long term overarching thing that I want to have in my year. Sure, and then from the content front, I think last year is kind of interesting because the I feel like we actually did some really cool, breath groundbreaking by getting a consistent, high quality pokemon podcast out. So thank you for taking me up on my offer when I came to you at the start of last year and it coming on this adventure with me. Yeah, yeah, it's kind of crazy to think. I mean it's been over eight months. I don't know exactly when we started. That would be kind of a good then weas I feel like we started after Dallas, so in January. Yeah, or at least like the end of January, early February, and I could be true. I mean it's just time flies. I'm just I'm happy that we've gotten this far. This is very, very fun to have a body of work that I can look back on and say, yes, I achieved that, yes I did that. And, like you were saying, it's something that we haven't really seen in Pokemon. We've seen podcasts and we've certainly seen podcasts come up after ours, but what we haven't seen is a consistent podcast of you know, I don't want to say we're high quality, but like to very good players discussing the metagame or general strategy about the game. We haven't really seen that and I think it's exciting. I think for me it's just a very cool thing to be a part of and I can't wait to grow more in two thousand and twenty. Do you have any ideas, Riley, about where you want to take the tag team podcast heading into two thousand and twenty? I've thought about it. I've actually talked it over with my dad. Yeah, he'll occasionally listen. He doesn't really understand pokemon cards, but he likes to listen to podcast as to he'll give us a listen and he just enjoys like content creation and the all the pieces to go into that. So I've kind of like mold over some ideas. I don't think I've come to anything conclusively, but at the very least I think keeping up the consistency is something I want to do. I feel like we've done a really good job, especially the last couple of months, of being very consistent about it, and that's something that I think is actually really, really valuable because if you think of at all of these it's so easy to drop a project right, and that's not a slam on anyone. I mean there's plenty of weeks where I just didn't feel like I had the energy to get on and talk about Pokemon for an hour. But it's about like pushing yourself and especially for someone like me who does has like a low social battery, I guess you could say, being able to push that further and further is something that I personally take pride in. But even outside a tag team, I want to like continue to push content and what it means in Pokemon. I've been trying to like think about maybe doing videos or something, but kind of like, I don't know, I've I feel like the the Gameplay era is kind of I don't say it's over, but it feels formulaic to me at this point, and that's not a slam on that, it's just not something that I want to do. So I'm trying to think about like how I would pursue pokemon content in a different direction. Sure, and I have some ideas for that too, but I don't I haven't put any of them to paper yet. Sure, that's cool. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, and so I'm generally just excited for it. Twenty twenty has you know, I'm feeling good about this year. I'm feeling good to Riley and together. You know, we can make our dreams...

...happen, for sure. Man. Oh, and he's talked about losing a few pounds. I actually want to gain a couple more before it is yo. Okay, tell you what. I will send mine. I don't think I want your particular pounds. I will spend mind to you. So it just remind me your address, send that in Facebook Messenger, and then I'll just go ahead and ship them on over tomorrow. I think it's good. I can like express mail it. Well, first off, that would be kind of disgusting to actually get in the mail. It's second I think I want to earn my pounds. Fair enough, fair enough, okay. Well, well, maybe we could have like a little competition, you know, we could see like who gains the most versus who loses the most. You know, that's like I feel like that doesn't like have a one to one first, but and also like eventually I would probably take the weight off to like yeah, yeah, you bro, you got to get those what do they call these lats or something? Yeah, your traps, that's up. Yeah, your traps, all the traps, the tress. Yeah. So, Riley, what advice do you have for anybody listening who is, you know, maybe a competitive player thinking about being a competitive player heading in in two thousand and twenty. I mean we've been talking about goals. What are ways that the average listener can set goals for the rest of their season? Are there any things that come to mind when you think about setting goals for playing pokemon that you could impart on a listener? Yeah, actually kind of Harkens back to what I was saying about like working in leadership camps. Is I think you should have like a tiered system to it, right, like you have an overall vision goal. It's like maybe your vision is to be better pokemon and your goal as a piece of that would be maybe to you know, do however, world, O, regional. But how are you going to achieve that? Right? It's so maybe. So you have to have like actionable items that will help you get to that goal, right. I think that's the important thing that gets lost in a lot of people is they don't have a path to the goal. So, if your goal is to be better a Pokemon, maybe you have set aside time on the weekend where you're playing pokemon cards or like you at least planned to do that and you get on discord or you get on tcg Oh and you you play and comment converse with people about what is going on there, and that that doesn't have to be a catch all solution. They could be any number of things, but it's just an example of you know, maybe, let's say you and I wanted to practice more for an upcoming event. We could say, Hey, let's set aside three hours every Thursday and let's just get on discord and practice. And there you go and talk about and write down everything that we do. Sure, I overall, I just think just measurable actions are our key and it even comes down to like, even when we get into discrete testing sessions. You know, I'm a huge fan of like writing down what's happened and keeping all my thoughts in order and and I see this at work too. I see this at work all the time. Actually, like The Times I'm the most focused and get the most done is when I'm keeping objective task lists of thing I have to do, when I need to do them and how I can do them, and when I have all that, all that written down, I get way more done than when I come in and just like Oh, I'm gonna do my work today. It's the same thing with pokemon and it applies really everywhere. Sure, that's kind of like the approach that I would take. I don't know if you had any other angles that you wanted to attack them from. Well, I just say like, take it from the smallest level. If you want to rent win a regional you can't think too big. You have to think at the very basic gameplay level, the the turn by turn, Card by Card level and building those habits and especially when I talk to people that I coach and just talking about how they go through a turn, sometimes there are just ingrained habits they did they just haven't even thought about that they'll continue to do over and over again. Not a knock on them, but just like things that we're working on getting out of. But taking the smallest, most basic concept, an element of the game, and just thinking about it extremely hard so you are a hundred percent sure that you have that knowledge of the correct play or the correct move to do. I think that's really, really important. Kind of deconstructing the way that you play the game has really helped me kind of grow blossom and just putting that very mindful effort into the smallest parts of the game, where to attach, where to retreat, all the possible plays I could make with this hand, what my opponent could have, you know, the list of cards they could play in their deck that would counter mind all these...

...little things, but that can really add up over the course of time. Has Really helped me blossom in my gameplay. Yeah, it's funny because we actually it's almost like we talked about the same theme, but if flying it in different ways, like working from the ground all the way up to the pinnacle that you're trying to achieve. Right, right, because I think if I can come back from a tournament and say that I did everything that I could to win the Games and I didn't win, then I will still be satisfied. Right, I will still be happy with my performance. If I come back and I say I did everything I could, you know, the matchups warrant for me the you know, the opponent had some crazy play that they pulled out that I just never could have predicted, or they hit the nuts off of the reset stamp, or whatever it is that they did. That I didn't leave anything on the table in terms of my own gameplay. And then that gree and that's how I think how you can be very satisfied going to tournaments, how you can be fulfilled going to tournaments even if you don't win the tournament, and then, if you do that long enough, that's how you see sustained success. For sure, man, for sure. I like that a lot. Like that a lot. Thanks for sharing. Speaking of two thousand and twenty actually and goal setting, we actually did do a giveaway an honor of the new year, and so, if you were in the loop and you maybe you didn't listen in last week or check out the twitter, JW and I were doing a giveaway for a full art red and blue tag team supporter. We thought it would be kind of fitting. Kind of fits in with our vibe of being a tag team. I personally characterize myself as read the more quiet, serious one in JW's the Goofy Harassi. kind of what it's. It just felt like a really good card to represent us. I think JW's with me are so it was perfect. It was so anyway, we did a giveaway. We opened up on Christmas and everyone who followed the our twitter account, liked and retweeted was entered and we drew a winner today shortly before the podcast aired. So, if you are listening, I don't know, do you have any sense of how to pronounce that name? I have no idea. I don't want to butcher it. I'm going to say male one oh Cheo. Seems closest I can get. Seems seems reasonable, but we will. Will make another tweet and will dam me on twitter. Thank you so much for everyone who participated. We will be having more give ways in the future. We're thinking of maybe doing more tag team supporters. Yeah, it kind of keeping a theme going for a little bit, but if there's something that's more appealing that give us that feedback and we'd be happy to incorporate your ideas into our future endeavors. Absolutely and if you haven't yet, make sure you check out the tag team twitter. It's just tag team Pokemon, really easy to find and that's where you can get the latest updates on Jo David and I do in tournaments and the tag and the tag team pockets itself and just our general content creation. So thank you everyone for the sports so far and we look forward to bring you more of that in two thousand and twenty. Absolutely cool. So shifting gears. We have just a mere few weeks left until the Dallas Regional Championship. I believe it's just two and a half weeks away now, which is kind of surreal. It's coming up really fast. But nevertheless, expanded hasn't really been explored at a regional championship yet in this format and I feel like there's a lot that is changed. Obviously, with all these bands and new cards, there's been quite a bit of a shakeup, it feels like, with some old favorites like Turbo d arc obviously staying good. So, JW, let's start with your current perspective on expanded. I know you and I both have test to the fair amount at this point. What are your current thoughts on what maybe the top three decks are and why those fit into those positions? Yeah, I think the top deck for me heading into the regional is cardivore. I think the deck is just insanely poised for this metagame. Very very strong, great gx attack, really easy to set up like, very consistent. I think it has all the tools to just be the deck, the hot deck, and, if not the hot deck, at least a deck that performs extremely well. Just generally speaking, I think it has everything to win the tournament. You know you can put in Megalo punny. If you're worried about like dark. That could be kind of a cool thing that you can do. There's just a lot of ways to play around with the deck. You get things like Cynthia and Kaitlyn, goose, Mahala, those are Malow Lana, all these tag team supporters that really help it. The tag call engine is kind of good with it as well, but really, really...

...strong. I mean silent I have such a good card right now. Power Plant such a good card right now. So I think any deck that can really abuse that is going to go far. So I would be my top choice right now heading into the regionals. I would say number two for me is my favorite, mewtwo box. Freaking love that deck so good. I think there are a lot of ways to outplay your opponent with the myriad of attacks that are available. You just have outs to anything that you can they you can imagine. And then I would say number three is probably just classic Turbo Dark. That egg is very strong. Not My choice. I don't think like I would play it, but I definitely see it performing well in cups and I would consider it one of the best decks in the format. I think a lot of people will take it. Whether or not at a win the tournament, I don't know. Obviously got really close and Roanoke, but for me it's just a consistent, strong archetype that I think a lot of people will choose for good reason. Yeah, and I would more or less echo what you would say. As far as the top decks, I think turbo dark is really kind of established itself now is kind of the the top dog of this format. Yeah, actually almost feels like has a little bit of a strangle hold where it's pushing decks out and if you can't handle turbo dark, it feels like your deck is less and less viable by the day. As charltable, turbo darks are topping every single cup. Yes, yes, I mean the DEX just ridiculous. The only problem I have with playing something like turbo dark is a you're going to be countered, obviously, but then be turbo dark mirrors are just some of the worst man. They're so crappy. You know, any mirror where it's just like you're trying to spit damage on the board always feels terrible and it feels skill less and you know, whoever hits the Goosemas or whoever hits the Max slicksers just ends up winning, and that's just like a frustrating way to play your tournament. So I'm always hesitant to play a deck like TURBOTDARC if I think it's going to be very popular, because I don't want to end up in that situation. Yeah, Guardian, I think is pretty good. I think it doesn't take as good of a match up to Turbo DARC is I would like, but I like it overall as a deck and I don't think the turbo DARC matchup is so problematic that it's unplayable either, whereas I think you actually take like an auto l to turbo dark, you shouldn't play your deck right, and I don't think guard he's that bad just because it has silent lab mostly right. Right, I said, I still think the match is very good, but it's such a good deck in other areas, like it really gives like one prize deck's a hard time. It gives Zorark a pretty hard time, and those are all things that are pretty appealing going into a tournament like this. So Yep, and third I would probably also say I you too, with maybe Zoro garb is like an honorable mention. I think both of them are pretty solid decks. I want to experiment more with me too, and I admittedly haven't put as much time as I would have wanted to so far. I me too, but I want to try out taking more advantage of Goosemahala and dce and using a different array of attackers than we've previously had available. Especially, I think the main thing that you and I both talked about, I both with each other and on the podcast, is including megalaw honey and using DC in that way to spit damage out really, really fast and aggressively. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, because you have just so many, you know, things like turbo dark, right, they're going to play a ton of GX has things like, I don't know, almost any other deck like gx is and exs are where the format starts and ends and expanded in terms of every deck plays them. To set up, you always have Shayman's, you always have didnne's lays, all these kinds of things. And then if you're playing a deck like Zor Arc, you know obviously your main attacker or you know your main support is a gx so should be good in a lot of different matchups. Megalo Punny, I expect that to be not maybe heavily played, but certainly in you know, have some very decent representation in the top thirty two and Dallas. Yeah, especially alongside cards like you too and guard avoid, which can easily fulfill that third energy without much extra hassle. So yeah, I mean dark could even take advantage of it pretty easily if they wanted to. That's that's true. It would be a little bit harder with dark, but yeah, definitely a little harder, but if they have we vial up, it's more trivial. I guess. Sure, absolutely, absolutely. So definitely looking in those kind of directions. We actually have a question to chat about rallet eggs. I think that's another deck that probably actually might deserve a top three spot. I think the decks pretty good still. It lost light, Lose Mars Shadow, which hurts, but I don't think it's the end of the world. The only problem is it's, you...

...know, it just has like the inherent flaws of being accountable strategy, but I don't think it's on people's radars enough to necessarily be to be bad and having the basic lock and is a good enough stattagy versus a lot of decks by itself. It's true. It's crazy. Yeah, it's just it's so strong, so counterable, but so strong, and I do not really expected to perform that well just because turbo dark should be such a good play and I feel like, yes, you can win that matchup. But if the turbo dark player is building their deck to have a more favorable rallied egg matchup and you end up playing that deck, you know, the matchup multiple times in a single day, I could see you beating it. You know, maybe half the time, but if you too many times and their decks are tech to beat you or even just shifted slightly to have more favorable cards against you, then it'll just be it'll be a rough day for the raalt ex player, I think. Yeah, so this is the top decks kind of on the radar right now. Is there anything else that's you've kind of either experimented with or I've seen a lot of? I mean, ultra ACROSMA has been everywhere. I feel like we've talked about it multiple times now. I don't think my thoughts of really did developed anymore on it. Is there anything else that's kind of catching your eye at the moment, or at least that you're seeing a lot of. Yeah, one thing that I've been seeing a lot on Hefante, and I mean people are bringing up in the Chow right now, is the dolls. You get the knee lily's pokey doll as well as the Robo substitute. So now you have right calls and your anger than back in. You would, yeah, you would. You would play it with like ranger or you'd play with sable eye or something like that, where you can just continually reuse these dolls and deck your opponent out. I don't know that that strategy is so good. I think that its struggles mightily. I imagine, I haven't actually played the match up yet. I imagine that it struggles mightily with things like Seismon toad, things like mewtwo with noivern, thus making it not that viable in my opinion. But I'm sure someone will try it and I'm sure someone will do well with it. I just don't know that it has the juice to make it through the rounds necessary to win the tournament. Yeah, I I had to be fair. I don't think I've seen enough of the deck to really have a big judgment on it, but it seems kind of like a shaky strategy to me. Sure, at a high level there's also things like even more on the fringe, stuff like shock lock, I think actually as a lot of potential right now. It just topped one of the cups in Iowa, I believe, and I don't really see people talking about it or playing a lot of ways to deal with it. Do you have any thoughts about shock clock as a deck right now? Well, again, I don't. My testing might be warping how I feel about shock loock, but when you play a mewtwo deck that has to stealthy hoods, I don't really see that shocklock being an issue. You can lost own a couple little pups on the first turn like it just seems like it shouldn't. Well, me too. It's probably the hard matchup. I don't think stealthy hood is really even Napig of a factor there, though, because they're just going to blower it. Well, they'll blower it for sure, for sure, but you play too I don't know. I think the biggest thing is just like the early aggression right. I think like the early boom burst or loss boomerang or Venus orgy x attack is a really scary for your shot clock. But I mean not every deck is me too either, though. There's so many other matchups which seems so ridiculous. That's true. That's true. So I don't know. Yeah, I mean the biggest thing is, like, I don't know, I'm probably not going to play shot clock for this tournament. I actually I almost will say I will not play shot clock or Dallas. Coward. Coward right exactly. I know you're all over it, but you know, certainly there is some viability there. That's the thing about expanded and trying to outline a metagame for expanded and I don't know, there's been a lot of discussion about Meta manipulation, but there's really only so many decks you can test. So the problem with that is that you have to kind of go with the big decks that are very good and kind of my suggestion to people if they're trying to go into an unknown metagame is to really dissect the best decks in the format and then if you have like a counterplay or rogue play, then put some time into that. But there's just so many decks in the format. There's too many decks that you could possibly make. You have to find some way to like funnel it down right here, some way to to cut the cut the excess, and so you're just going to have this kind of centralized metagame, or at the very least you're going to have people talking about a centralized Meta game. You're going to hear people bring up turbo dark over and over. You're going to hear people bring up guard, you're going to hear people bring up alternate across my...

...but that's because there's just so many decks and so many options. So it'd be pretty exciting. I mean I always love going into these expanded Meta Games because you really could play anything and succeed. Yeah, well, I don't know anything, but well, okay, I don't know about a theme deck, but you probably get a few ties with the theme deck. It's putting a little little bit of low faith and to I I also is experimenting. I told you about this the other day. I don't really feel the need to keep the secret or anything. I was playing with a Piggie deck and I tried really hard for a bunch of hours to make it work and I had to be honest. I think I got the lock to exactly where I needed it to be, but the problem is it doesn't feel that good. Like the early game feels way better and expanded, but but the late game it's like worse. It expanded than it's standard, which reels really dumb. It's like why are even playing this deck anymore? Yeah, especially with like this, the combos that I were trying, you basically have to lock your opponent out one prize, whereas before you could lock them out like two, three, using right discard cards, but now you have to be more creative with the way that you shuffle your opponent's hand and discard cards, because all the shuffle and discard is basically so it's just like yeah, yeah, yeahikes through right, right. I think. I think to their their decks like fight guys. I just consider that a deck. Right, you have encompassing fight guys, you know, landrous things like buzz will like and rock things like the Caio Carreo and the Otaria's probably the premier fighting deck at this point. Yeah, which is it's you know, and these things that will also crop up. I think they'll see some success. People just choose to play them to specifically counter dark box. I don't love those strategies necessarily because, you know, if you pick something like Lucario, you obviously just get destroyed by something like me too and so Yo Lucario with Lana's fishing rod. I would I would be very hesitant to play a direct counter deck like fight guys. Turbo dark is very good. I wouldn't play something just solely fighting. We have a lot of mentions in the chat here of counterbox something like that that maybe includes like a buzzwill. Baby Buzz will might be good, might see some play, but I wouldn't play something that just only has, you know, like one good matchup for two good Matt Yeah, that's that's the thing about expanded it's just like there's so much going on. I think that's kind of what you're getting out earlier. There's just it's so hard to account for what the Meta game will look like because you really don't you know. Yeah, well, and that problem too is like because we're talking here and we're trying to provide insight onto what the metagame will be, and I mean I think we're doing the best job that we can, but that's a problem too, is like we're talking about these decks, we're testing these decks and then like we could have some new information come to us later on. That just completely warps the way with that we view the format. You know, somebody could come up with this busted deck and like and show it on hey fonte or something, and then everybody knows about it and then now that's the counterplay. You know that that's literally could happen tomorrow and it's just it's so crazy because anything could happen. Yeah, but it's fun because anything could happen. For sure. I think the large card pool and expanded really opens itself up to that. I actually been like a little dissatisfied with this current standard. So I'm also excited to dip into just like a huge pool and figure out something that I specifically really like and think is really strong, which is one of the appealing aspects that expanded to me. Sure any other thoughts that you wanted to to drop, any knowledge bombs you wanted to throw it as stw about expanded? Yeah, I really enjoyed Gooseman Halla when when it was first released for, you know, for expanded Meta game. I think it's good. It was good and mew too. I thought it was good in guardy. I thought it was good in alternate acrossma. I'm a little bit less high on it now, considering the amount of silent lab that I've been seeing online and just that should be played. I feel like it's really like you can't play eggs necessarily to get around the discarding and I just feel like getting rid of the getting rid of all the resources in hand is is kind of bad with the Goosema Halla. So I haven't personally been playing the Gooseman Halland my mewt list. I think that's kind of new because I was on like to Oh, it's the best card, but yeah, you're really hyped for that card. Haven't you have enough? You have enough draw with things like Shayman and Dedanny and lay la that you shouldn't need to Goosemahala and search...

...for specific cards like that. So I don't know. That's kind of my that's my thing that I've found through testing. At least in the mew two deck, I haven't needed Goosemahala. Same kind of thing almost in Guardi. I don't know that it's necessarily needed. Definitely would play it in something like altern acrossm though, where you absolutely need know those energies and you only for it. That's that's the biggest piece of insight I could give. Yeah, the only reason that would really like us Mudhollam Mewtwo is if you're playing a thin dce line, because then you can just pluck it. Yep, that's the that's the reason I like the card still, as opposed to exclusively trying to draw into it. So cool. Well, I think. I think it's just so hard to he on everything expanded. We'll keep trying to deliver everything that we know every week. So I'm sure that they'll be new things to talk about, new decks that we've tested that a failed, new decks to have tested that I maybe it succeeded. So we'll keep plugging away at it. For sure I'll stop playing piggy and actually try and play a deck that takes prises. Well, we know you love your lock decks and I would be interested to see how something like I'm mute to Zorarc deck would fair in expanded that was obviously one of the better decks at the end of like last year's expanded format. You know, just force for seizement toad for for Zor Ark and a bunch of you know, all supporters and things like this, lasers and stuff like that. I'd be curious to see how that works in this current standard. Are excives me, this current expanded format. There are a few other ways I want to go. Tonight I'm going to be testing archies blast toys, which I think should be good theoretically, like a theoretical yeah, it's theoretically super good, but archies and Archie, I know archie exactly well. I want to try with the dust Goll yeah, the dust goal is good. The dust goals you really broken. Somebody says here a night march in the chat. Night March again. This is why it's so hard to talk about expanded what's that? Yeah, this so hard. Yeah, exactly exactly, because you're like, well, I haven't really tested it, but it seems fine because it used to be good. That's how kind of how I feel about night March. It should lose to Mewtwo, though I will continue to ride the mew to train because it wasn't prepared for control last format. But now that control decks should, you know, not be played in this former or at least not be played in the same manner that they were played in. I think has time to to thrive. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Anyway. Yeah, night March, I don't know, couldn't see it for me, but should see runner. Yeah, I think some people like it a lot and there's certainly merit to night march. I don't think it's a bad play at all, really sure, at least at least not right now. People don't seem to care about it much right now, so you can kind of get away with playing night march. It's when people start remembering night march that I mean. I gotta Say Item Lock is really strong right now. You know, item lock is really strong. Yeah, I mean you can say you could say that sentence at any time and any for that, but I just don't think that it's not strong. I don't. I don't think I've ever heard of cold or take than item lock. It's strong, you know, is like everyone. Everyone knows that, I hope. Well, yeah, probably, guys. You're not going to believe this, but item lock is good holy acting or really treading the ground into it to cool. So I think that's probably as far as ago. This week will have a more dedicated episode next week towards expanded. So if you do have questions, feel free to tweet them at us at tag team Pokemon so we can be sure to look at those. But if you have any questions right now, I think now is a perfect time that we could open up the floor and answer some chat questions. Chat questions, so be it expanded, standard or really whatever else see out in your mind. Two Thousand and twenty goal setting. Two Thousand and twenty goal setting, advice, anything, feel free to drop it. Is there a funny goal that you have, Riley? Is there something that like, is not really a major goal, but you're like that could be kind of cool. Do you have a personal example, like you really want to travel somewhere or you really want to do this weird hobby or I don't think I have anything in particular. I've really gotten into how like these weird like sweatshirts, like I...

...have the all these career necks. I have the Pizza Planet One and the one this is salty and I this yikes one. That's not really a goal, but I want more of these kind of thing. Oh, let's get a tag team sweatshirt. What would it even look like? And now we get it for duced I don't know, but it would be so busted, wouldn't it? It would be busted. But yeah, I want I want more fun sweatshirts. Okay, those are cool. I like the Yikes. So youun suffer ass. Top five standard decks before sword and shield. So I'm not a huge fan of the standard format, but I think decks are starting to to kind of organize themselves and I think at least the top three right now to me, look like I think Tina Chop is slowifying yourself is being really, really good. It's so simple and that's great. Ast Benefit is this, though? It is. Yeah, it's like because you can always linear attack right basically, and that's like setting you up to actually knock things out. Yeah, it's actually pretty good. And the roxy engine seems like Super Janky, but like it kind of just works. Yeah, so I don't I actually really a fan of that. I was at a cup today, actually earlier today, and all of a sudden from it went from zero to a hundred, where nobody was playing Tina Chop in the area and now like a third of the room was and they all were doing pretty well, and I was pretty surprised. Actually so. It's I think that's looking to be a top deck right now. I think piggy is still like a fine deck. I don't I think it's struggles with the Tina shop deck a little bit. Sure as well as Meumo can be kind of tough, but I still like it. I think Malamar's really good right now. It's shown some repeated success and then kind of on the fringe. I think like mewtwo a ATP are both decent choices as far as like top five choices at it. Would you have any variation from what I've said so far? I don't think so. That that pretty much encompasses this stay. I played pidgy today at my cup. I did okay. I went three and three, had some had some bad beats. I really should probably pack up the PIGGY, although is really the mistake was. Ultimately we took at I'd we played them Meew Poor Tina Chop in Ohio and then I took it out because nobody was playing Teena shop around here. I looked it. I looked at multiple weeks of results and there's no tea shops in any cut. And then a ridiculous about two people played teams up today and you got so yeah, yeah, it was funny. Is really funny. Yeah, if I had them view I would have had a way better day, because I was started off two and one. Hate to see it, and the matchups to the top for like a little better than the mass ups in the middle. It was just it was an overall bizarre day. I had a lot of different bad beads, for sure, but it was fun. I feel like Pu he's like kind of fun. So I do enjoy a good Digi I like airmail is fun. Air Mail is really fun. Talk About Fun deck or fun abilities, that's definitely one of them. I can't wait for the new Manshino. Yeah, I mean, I'm a sucker for ture hits. I'll Aska here, I asks. Yeah, how do you bring the best deck to test for format so you don't end up hitting the day of the tournament and find that the deck you've been practicing sucks? Well, I think there's always a non zero chance that happens, right. I like maybe you're testing against the wrong things or there was some secret deck that you weren't prepared for which makes your deck stucky and comparison or has like a really bad matchup. It's always possible, but I think ultimately playing the most games against the widest variety of decks and keeping track of how those games go, either just like mental, mentally noting it or actually jotting it down, which I personally like to do, is the best way to do it. If you have recorded data that says your deck looks really good going to this tournament, then it you made the best choice. You could write like you did. You did your homework. That's that's what I'm saying. Yeah, and that goes back to what I kind of talked about too. Is just like when you put in that effort and you you have that all documented and you know going in, like my matchups that are good are here, my matchups that are bad are here, and I know how to play those matchups. And you come away and you know you faced all the good matchups and you made day two and like you're patting yourself on the back, like you did, you did your homework and you performed well. But if you do your homework and you don't do well, like you can still come out of there saying, Hey, I'm proud of myself or what I did, because I showed the effort necessary to...

...perform. Well, it just did right time. Yeah, and there's this. There's always the nonzero chance of a secret deck that beats yours or or whatever. The one thing, one thing I will say, is make sure that when you do that testing, that you're testing, it's a wide variety of things and not limiting your scope so much, because that can very quickly warp your perception of what a format looks like like. Yes, we listed the top three decks that each haven't expanded, but if you've listened to the old podcast, you know there's like a million decks and expanded, there's so many things that can happen. So you know, even if you beat all three of the top three decks, you could still have five rounds against random stuff, and if you lose to all of that random stuff, then your deck is bad still. Yeah, a hundred percent true. Yeah, having just as wide of a scope of the metagame as possible, and this is kind of where I like expanded, where you can kind of look back on previous results and get a very good feel for how things should go and how matchup should go, but still with like some new spice that you know, with the new set like that could make something else good. This is where I like this holt stick view of expanded and just having experience with these cards over a long period of time. You know, yeah, just the more time that you put into it, the more you're going to get out of like knowing, okay, this is good, this deck is good, this card combination is very good, versus this other card combination which maybe isn't as good. So Mitch Master reaching back towards goals and asking how do you set a goal that is not so easily achievable but not next to impossible? So they gave an example relating to topping cuffs versus day tooing and regional, and I think ultimately it's hard to like discreetize right, like it's hard to say, you know, what is the difference between top eating a bunch of cops versus day towing one regional, because it depends on all sorts of different things. I think generally, if your law, if your goal, let's say, is to top thirty two regional and to get the money or to just dick the experience of being in day to whatever that means to you, then your goals. It's simply to be, to be better at pokemon right like that should be your overarching goal, and something that would be measurable would be day to in a regional. Get you to thirty two and how would you get and then you go this step lower. How do you day to a regional? Well, you have to practice a lot. Going is that regional? I know your matchups really well and you know how do you practice a lot? Will you establish a testing group or have set testing plans to do that? And so you just keep stepping down those stairs until you get to really wide things that are much more easy to achieve. And once you climb those stairs, the next goal becomes easier and easier to achieve because you've already done so much leg work getting it. Were next up. Yep, absolutely coop. Couldn't have said it better myself, Riley. Thank you to w thank you, gass. You on six. Five ass. Who Do you think is generally favored in the Tina Chop versus Malamar matchup in Standard and why? JWF, any thoughts on this? I do not. I Apologize, I have. I have not played that matchup specifically. So, yeah, I don't want to give any incorrect information on that matchup in particular. Yeah, I think Tina chops sounds like it would be favored or like in my experience, has been favored if it's able to get the the right route to winning, particularly if it's able to save it's Miss Maggius and get to the three price turn and take advantage of the baby blown. Those are all things that make it better in the matchup. Sure, I think it can really go either way. So so I don't I don't think it's like a seventy thirty or anything crazy like that, but I think Teena chop is slightly favored. Sure, yeah, makes sense. What do you think suffer? What deck do you think suffers most from the new supporter rule that is upcoming? It's got to be wilder decks, right. I was going to say it has to be things like abilities are I think of most specifically. Mew Two should probably be fine, but abilities are just definitely wants that turn one welder and definitely is not going to get it in a couple months. Yeah, for sure. Pgt Ask, how does ATP deal with Roxy Chump? I don't think it really does it. I you can you play to ATPS. They're going to GGAD one and kill the other before you gx attack with it. So at that point, what do you do? Right, you just play with only Keldos and attached manually for six turns. That's that seems like a recipe for disaster. Absolutely, and I think this can be the last...

...question before we transition into your stream. Dw Bobbing thutle ask do you think that Cinchino will replace Piggioto, impiggioto control? Yes, yeah, I mean I'm leaning towards yes. You might still play a Pidgei or two just to be able to clean draws post a discard. But especially I we're getting like more recycle cards. So like the fishing Rod, which makes it easier to use trade. The only thing that makes me a little bit anxious about Chinchinos the fact that that's trade can be costly in this format, like your discarding can be costly in this for right in the Piggioto deck. But with fishing rod that completely circumvents that issue, because she is fishing around at a bunch of energy and Pokemon and you just trade those. So right, exactly. Yeah, that's a hundred percent right. So yeah, tod you know, seems like better in that instance. Right, because it draws twice as fast, like you see the same amount of cards, but you're thinning your deck toice as fast. So right, cool, cool. Well, I think we've hit a lot of awesome stuff this week. JW, thank you so much for joining me and thank you, chat for being a part of this. As always, we look forward to bring you more awesome tag team content in two thousand and twenty, and if you have any questions, advice or ideas, feel free to shoot that over to our twitter tag team Pokemon, and be sure to follow JW and I individually as well at flexteady, righteous and as smiles with riles. And with that we're signing off and we will see you next week. Base.

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