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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 1, Episode 13 · 1 year ago

12. Messing with Texas

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E, what is up everybody welcome back totag team, Imer Hose, probably holver joined by my good friend and cohost JWCreewall, looking fresh today, jw how you doing hey, I'm doing really wellRiley. Thank you for asking Osure Man, so I think we're reallygetting in Tho. Think of it at this point, Dallas is just around the corner, andcosmic cacliffs is quickly on the way out at this point in the format andit's kind of interesting to see how things have evolved today, we're goingto talk about a little bit of cosmic club standard. I go over the leak cupthat I was at this past weekend and any inside the JW happens to have, but thelarge focus today we're planning to be on expanded format. We have done quitea bit of testing at this point. Of course we want to do quite a bit more going into Dallas and we're excited to share that insightwith you, because we are leaks of our League of our knowledge, and wewant to share that with you. So we'll just start from the beginning. There was a cup last weekend inIllinois, one K, energy. I ended up taking it home with guard of Ar Sylvian,which was pretty fun jneby. Have you gotten to play any standard eventsrecently? I have not the last one was the one that we went to a couple weeksago: Eez Man Youre, fine Ou. I know it's a dearth of over here. For us, Ilik can't even make it to leag challenges, IIT's pretty bad. I want to play somepoke, but I can't I just like too busy or there's nothingclose in a area or yes, I'm busy. I was busy last weekend, I'm going to be busythis weekend. It's a whole thing. It's a whole, Dank thing man, I agree. Well at least you've got some chancesto test expanded. So that's true Mo Sur Funny Right, anside there, yes, butstandard is certainly evolving and I think a really interesting direction.We saw this format start and it was pretty much just like ATP and abilitiesAr in Moutu wore the VDEX and Mouto is kind of risen up and stayed at the top.CHARSART is faded completely out of the picture. It feels like at this point.ATP FEELS HALF DEAD, at least in the ways that it was at the start of theformat. The birs variant has kind of come from beer. I actually Ja. What are you thoughts of theeghtyfeet birds? Tick, I mean it's kind of cool. I was talkingto somebody today and they're like hey. I got top four on top two at a cuporright. You know a two cups the last weekend, so anything is possible, anything aspossible. So you're saying you don't like the day. It wouldn't be what I choose, but Icould see how somebody would like have. I was like a really round about way tosee you don't like a day. I don't Kno. No, no. I coun see how somebody wouldlike to choose it, because we kind of have like cosmic eclips didn't reallybring any new decks outside of ATP to the metagame. So I feel like it's. It'sreally felt pretty stale and I think that's part of why people have been youknow saying. Maybe this standard isn't so fun or isn't so interesting, becausewe've seen a lot of the topdics for a while. You know you think of MOU todating back to worlds basically in the same construction as it was back, then you know abilities already is a thinglike guardion still kind of that same idea. So I think people are getting alittle bit bored and you know one of the best ways to curethat boredom is to play a ridiculous Tlio tag. Team yeah, I mean plus threehundred GPS, nothing to scoff at and the Greens. Engine is probably betterto whatever the heck ATP is doing before with its weird conglomeration ofcards, but it still feels kind of like aconglomeration of random carits like it almost feels like you went into yourbulkmin and pulled out a bunch of stuff through yeah I mean I definitely like.ADP has always kind of felt like that: Beginner deck right where You'e, justlike hey this card, looks good, I'm just going to play it, and now, even more so right with theBir trio, because tyou're like man. This is such a cool card, especially ifyou have the kind of the stained glass hollow a cool card like. Why? Wouldn't youwant to play that for sure man sure it is actually a really beautiful guard? Iwill say it's the three different energy requirements. I think really iswhat tilts, you sure sure it's o funny right CAS. You have to attack turn onewith the Victti with a fire energy to put a water in a metal odure, nd ightyt. So that way you can attach a fire, awater and an electric to your vertrio. It's broken. This is like there's too many energies,man, there's like at one point in pokmonts history.Do you realist icually play a four different basic energy dacg right, justo happen. It really doesn't it's...

...totally bizarre, and so I don't knowI'm not really big fan of that deck, but it's definitely grown quite a bit,but I think the real rock star at the tail end of the Sworman we talked aboutthis last week is Guiurtine a guard shop and if you told me at the start ofmunified minds, the guaranteing, an guard chop was going to be a premieredeck impaired with the Greens engine. I would tell you that you're absolutelyinsade, because that's o make any sense to me sure below behold. It's almost. I don't really know whyit's imversed to be so good. I really like playing it, but I think it's justbecause it's so simple right, you linear attack and you collam Iti a and that's there'salways something that you can kind of do with it right. I think that's whatmakes it good right for sure I mean it has like kind of this inherent drawright in the missmanges. It has a lot of coverage against a lot of matchupsor shut work. Your way out of thing so R, you know, has a really good gxattack, yeah, there's just othings. I work for it yeah for sure, and you canget to play fun cards to like you talk about playing the bird, an ATP you getto play, Roxy and wheezing, which crazy yeah. That's really fun. If you think tatching, three differentenergy to your Birtios Fun, I think discarding two zhings off Aroxy is likethe most fun thing. Get O remind your uponit to put thetwnties and stuff. I know right so cool yeah for sure, but that Dack I foundwas really frustrating me because I didn't have all the cards for it and itwas everywhere at my locals and if you know anything about me is Thait. I lovecontrol, DEX and coulge kind of struggles againstwheezing, putting damage all over your forard with, like no regard foranything else, Los Soi B, very begreganly packed up my pitgiesput them away and I pulled out an old favorite on the world championships andGuardion. It's like hey weakness is a thing. I think the matchup is actuallya lot. Closer than weakness would imply just ecause a week, Gard Energy and Ithink a good ggend can really ruine guardion day to Churhus, and Idon't think my opponents on Gerintina arthop used gg end as effectively asthey could have sure o regardless. I ran up with Guardion and it was prettyfun time Roud one. I was against a BM deck and I saw the I saw them pull out their VM and I'mlike, oh no, I literally lose because they get up the stupid nine tails withthe ability- and I just can't do anything I hove no way around itwhatsoever turns out- and this is what I almost knew I was going to win thewhole tournament. is they turn one elms right and they get? They started a Pigi.They get one other pitgy and two bigiotos, and I knew it that, for they had nowoyto get their nine tails, they had like no way to get Vam. That turne and I wasjust going to win that Tirn anleas. That round. I felt pretty good aboutthat Ra. It was super funny and, like my opponent was like yeah, myprizes were pretty bad. U I was like yeah. Let me guess you Pris PitgyVigotales thiss and I guess like five and six prizes s, because there wasthat bad. It was pretty awesome, so that' wrent well rigt. Needless to say, and then I wasagainst te Mueu dack around to- and I kind of you know hit thim with the oldclassic power plant, Chorty, good cart. I've got ta, say Ono SA ATP burs round. Three NNETHA canactually get a little scary for Guardion, because what they can do isif they focus entirely on the birds. They can kind of heal you for a littlebit and then shuffle the bird back and spread damage which sets up these crazyknockouts. So what I just I just turned oneimmediately gusted the birrd before it had like enery energy on it and justhit it, and that was kind of my path to win. I think I gusted the birdthreeturns in a row. Okay and just kept hitting it until I finally magicalmiracled. So what happened? was they shuffled in and like did the one ten and theyremoved all of their energy from the board? I magical tiricle an attack three timesand I wat brok. It was pretty awesome and then I was like Ase Tina shop thatcould rather weaknes car energy. So I care with them ind like three tarnssure. No, that felt good. I did the last year rounds and I was in top CA.Topcut was looking pretty scary because there's several pitgy players in themidst...

...and the DDM guy was in a wininin. Hehad like climbed back from the own one start with VM and was ready to destroyme Antopki, but then he lost his pint and into Youto. So it kind of workedout perfectly for sure, and so it was set up that I would play pigey and topfour, and I was againt some Mutu in top, eight yeah barely beat the mutuactually because they played two chaotic well, which I was franklysurprised by okay, but I do get there with kind of atypical guardion strategy of just power. Plant recet stamp and Zander Pero ends up eating. ThePITGY, so I end up facing his Teina chop deck instead of Pitgy, which great that series actually was pretty crazybecause I had a convincing game, one, a very close game to that I lost and gamethrough was looking pretty close. He resed stamps me like two, maybe threeand Taos Agardi, and so I have like a three energy guardy and that'sbasically it, but I have Tisich in my hand and energy,and I get a Greens, so i Greens for the Chai and I switch as well, so i Greensfor like or at least have one of the pieces, so i Greens for the stuff tofinish off the LUGIA Cavo lost son, his last Guauratine a guard chop and thenhe's basically screwed, but he's not xander pro isn't just going to give upright Rightbu. So he has ' is sa Mister Mius on the board. He promotes itliktrintosleep or something what's right so like the Mischiev is just tenanywhere is the Te Fre, but lemster has sixthp as well, so like the Lugiapsychic will kill it. So he has to gust up my one energy Guardi on and then he evolves in Oismagius andhe's like I'm just en. He attaches an energy to it and he's like I'm going toAttat three times and I'm going to start hipno blasting. So he does that and he reet stamps meto like one and I'm like okay. I guess this is happening now. I just need to either wake up and drawan energy or draw any of my like very numerous heart switchouts and I win, but he actually gets all three energyon there and attacks me like four times and I'm like healing with brave potionsand stuff. But I like getit down to the wire I tinkmy Guardias, like twoattacks left in it. After all, the healing eer did, and finally I get a like a coachtrainer and draw into the the Malon Lana. So the next turn he just has tonot draw the reset stayup again yeah and Roxes,with one pokemin and jaws like three of his seven card deck and doesn't hit thereset stamp then and as able tosounds really tight, yeah pretty crazy. It was,it was very entertaining I will say, Yeah Yeah. I can just imagine you guys,like just kind of being, you know silly about it. Yeah it was fun, it was funfor sure. But then I go into the finals againstthis really Nice Kadehe's also playing Tina Guard chop, which, or I think Ilike Yeah Tina, Garcho and which goes to show like how popular itis in the area. I played it in Swiss and twice and cut sure, but he wasn'tplaying the Roxy version, which I think is strictly better against guardionbecause he gets Piv, anitional, the sure sure and so like his mom, they it's like athe kid's like sixteen years old, a d. his mom is like I'mgoing to pick him upand he's like. Oh, we just got the one round left and so is matc is down he'slike oh I'll, just watch that and I like to o the guy, like fifteen minutes,ani felt kind of bad yeure Samin. I turn to his vomit. LikeI swear, the rest of his day was definitely better than this, like consoling her like. Oh, how justloar at chair, I, like I felt kind of bad like Ididn't want to like embarrass that you wan or like make them on, think he'sbad a cards right right, but I'll definitely take the dove skifor sure, like of course, I mean yeah, no Presidwa, no prisons for sureabsolutly cool. So I took a it sounds like apretty epic lead Cup yeah. It was really fun and Guardian actually end upwinning here in Ohio, iguess Dar in Ohio as well. Very similar list, it seems likeGuardion is kind of emerged, is one of if Ni, v Basteck in this format, which,as another shocker heading into it. I...

...think I think people thought dragon typeswere going to be good in this formo, but I don't think that particulardragon type that they were thinking about was going to be geurtine aguardshot sure. So it's just been interesting. I think.Excuse me, I think, if Hou had to change Guardia'moving forward, there is the only car that really kepthes my eye to likebetter adjust. The current MEDA is, I think, Anda Porter could be really goodin the deck and a porter yeah for aist against Meto, so again against YoutoYoo, the rainbows, but I ge scared Ho in the Gard Chop. You can greendirectly into the weakness guard. Removal as oppose to Greens for FabaGodsha got Yau Gotcau so, like you, don't have to play any to Ta Kao GameYou're. Just like all right Greens and a porter put that ont of this megusyou're dead, not yeah. Its just sounds like an an epic gave or moment for surethat sounds so filthy to use. ANAPORTER plus, like you, get to declare andaporter, which is not something you get to do all the time right for sure. Sothat's Super Fun. So there's definitely a men fact do it. There definitely isso. If you're on te cop right now, O recommend guardion. I think it's reallyreally strong in the standard format. It deals with one prize dex incredibly.Well, the only bad match up. I think guardion takes right. Now is like stalland fire, but fires on the low right now and and everybody plays the locals- that'sfor sure, right, Igh, yeah, so good, I'm enjoying Guardi on. Do youhave any other decks that you're liking in Standar right now, you recomment fora cup. No, not really. I mean I've heard a lotof talk about ATP BER trio. We talked a little bit about that earlier. You know, I just don't actually haveany events until Dallas, so I haven't been thinking about standard too much, but you know I would take that I'd takebirds. You know I'm an unabashedly Stan of birds. So for sure I think whatbothers me most about birds is. If you play it, I played birds a lot like alot of stallvacks in my first, the first part of this quarter, and Ithink they're really good and really strong, but sometimes you just want totake some frie cards. You know sure sure, and it's like at least what aeyour deck that takes price cards. You have a little bit less of a right tocomplain about your fries cards right right, wheres, like birds, can be hardkilled. I had multiple games in the past couple weeks or I probals likedouble stamp and just kind of ose yeah, whereas, like you know, if I price dostay up with Guardian, I could I could draw the Sta Dro im again yeah Y, like like that's pretty sick, like if youthink about it, drawing a price card is like having a bird out so filp, so so well, yeah Super Fun stuff.Before we getinto expanded, I did want to give a quick Shoutou to fulgrupgames. foger games does sponsor the stream and they helped out with ourgiveaway with the red and blue last week. We do want to do more tag. Teamsupporter, giveaways, GW. I don't know we havt to talk about which one we wantto do next. I think Cynthia Kalan. If we give away that, will be the last onethat we do sure yeah, but maybe like a goosmon hollow, would be cool goinginto expanded. That would be pretty so be on the look out for that as well,and if you want to soup up your game or expand your MEDA into Dallas be sure tocheck out full your gains or full gup, codescom and they'll be hooking you upwith the good stuff for cheap cool. So looking ahead, though Dallas RegionalChampionship is in just a week and a half, and I think your sites have beenset on it for well over two months now, I'm honestly a little bit tired of itlike I've done so much that I feel like my brain is just melting and I justneed to play the tournament. You know it's like. I've done, yeah morepreparation, an than many people. I know- and I'm like really excited totalk about some things, but sometimes I feel like I don't evenhave a level to talk about things with you know. People don't have the same.Grasp of the Meta that I feel like. I do Al Right, ow the Trup may come, thetournament may come and I might go othree drop. You know just there e Te.All of my testing, however, you know I just wanted to be here because there'sall this conjecture all this, I feel, like I've, placed thistournament on just such a high pedestal, with how much effort I put into theformat how much I've discussed it, how much we've talked about on the show-and it's just time for it to be here, it's time to put my money where mymouth is, and you know show the world what we got, and I think- and I don't mean this in a bad way, butI think you're at that point in like tournament Frep, where you Frep so muchtha like every little thing, starts to freak you out because it like any smallshake to the way that you're viewing...

...the metol is like a good deal now, yeahor or to it's like you know, I have a best deck, but then there's like a newdeck that comes up the COUNTERSTETDECK. So then, you like counter the counterand then, like you, get down this really bad yeah you at up in thishorrible feedback loop or like everything, beats everything and, likeyou need to find the thing that feets all those things and it could be really rough, and forsomebody like me, that kind of obsesses over that, like finding the perfectsixty cards to play it trapped, I can get trapped yeah forsure I know I know you like to find your perfect. So let's talk about thatthen, before the podcast we talked about kind of what we thought might bethat top decks heading into the Dallas metagame. Do you want to review thisfor US really quickly? I would say the top like five decks, probably in termsof the amount of people playing them, are going to be dark. Ryand Guardy, Iwould, I would imagine, well contend for about the top spot, with maybe fifteen percent of the meto fifteen totwenty percent. I would imagine I think Ltrana Crosmo should see a lot of playand me two should see a significant amount of play. I don't know if you know me to is the choice of a lotof people just because of its difficulty to pilot, but I do think it'll be there in youknow top five most played, and then we were talking about this earlier. I kindof feel like the counterdecks things like Lucario things like baby bussle,garbador things like licen Rock Zorac. These kind of fighting counter SK styledecks. I just kind of lumpd them together in this fight. Guy's category I feel like those will comprise onesome of the top five decks I've just seen a lot of you know you look at theIowa Cup, rersalts wher, lucargo's kind of doing pretty well, buzzwoll alwaysseems to have the hearts and minds of the masses. Does it anymore, though Ifeel like buzzle didn't appear all in in, like Portland at least sure, butnow that I think turbo dark is also more hyped up than it was for those other tournaments. So I feel,like just people say hey, you know what time to dust off these buzzles and thenZoroc obviously will be. A comfort. Pick definitelyneeds to be updated as we 're talking about before the Stream, but I think people will turn to Zoar toyeah for sure. So, let's, let's talk about some of thise decks and then wecan elaborate on specific things that we're interested in. So you know, there's obviously reasons whypeople are interested or drawn to these decks and I'd like to touch on that forfor at least some of these five. So, let's start with the top from turbodark. Why do you think TERBEDARC is such a draw right now? What is makingthat a premiere deck? That's going to occupy such a large part of this Metagame? I think it just hits hardfast. It has answers to like a lot of different things. I meanif you look at some of the hardest counters in the format right now, I'm thinkingof things like vil plume, I'm thinking of things like I don't know, Hoopa withthe Scoundrel Ring Ability. Just these kinds of countery stylecards are really well handled by the dark decks and while they're alsoreally well handled by the dark dark decks. Darkbox can also blow up big tag teams. You know I findthat there's. Sometimes there are a lot of cards that can handle one or theother, but not both very well, and so this deck really does that to really find degree yeah. I wouldagree. I D also like to say that dark is a strategy that generally peopleenjoy and find Super Fun and appealing I mean, what's more exciting thanhitting a Myaxlex ermant. I don't think any. Maybe the birth ofyour first child, maybe but like let's Ypitilistic, let's be realistic herelike would you rather get the maxlixer foryour tenth energy on dark turn water? Would you rather have a first port?Child HMTHAT is tough. I know I know I'll getback to you. It's that's a real thinker for the for the listeners and viewers,so ifwe should have tweeted us. What Yowould think yeah I mean like it's. The exciting funstrategy. Darkpatch am Axlixer, are some of the like just premiere cards ofpeople just are fond of and enjoy playing tim and also hitting a lot ofdamage is something people like to do. I mean we surt saw that with fire andstandard format, people always would gravitate towards Tis a weldering andvobiting damage on the board, and I feels like dark kind of emulates thatand expanded...

...absolutely so then. Next on the list wehave guardion guardion certainly does not hit as hard as dark, but has thathealing aspect- and it has the energy transfer aspect, which is also a veryfun strategy? Is there anything else that you think really draws people toGuardi on right now? Well, like you said, we were justtalking about this earlier in the Cask Ardion, his kind of emerged as thestandard favorite, you know kind of a standard deck that ports over extremelywell a very easily and very cheaply into expanded, and so I feel likethat'll, be a big draw. It's been seeing a lot of success in standard. Ithink if there are decks that can do well and standard and have shown to dowell and expanded feel like that will be a big draw, particularly for thenewer players, but even for season veterans. GARDEWOR has a lot of you know durability. As a lot of you know, maybe not the cutest plays,you can't really make too many q plays with with Guardian, but it's just asolid contender, for you know it does what it needs to do most of the time,and I think that's a big draw yeah, I mean very song gueft there for sureyeah very good attack. Sure the only thing that really it kind of annoys me,I guess about Guardion. It's just like your damage- is relatively capped and aknown quantity and your ponic an kind of play around it, and I granted you know the deck has more to it thandamage. I think, is what really it comes down to. I have a lot of you playa ton of stadium cards to disrupt your opponent strategy and kind of bringthem to your level, which I guess that's what guardians all about rightand standard. ANIXS FANDT is like you, you're dictating the game and bringingeveryone to your level, and you play the game with that level. The Best ofanyone right right- and it has- I mean arguably one of the strongest gxattacks in in the game. You Know Hou- can pick up a Fili wercale and get asignal lab down. Then you're really limiting your opponents to maybedrawing one out of you know five or six cards left in their deck. That's live,maybe even less in a lot of cases. So you know the gx is just insanely goodand, and it's Super Fun too. I mean we'retalking about the fun factor earlier. Yeah having your opponent chuffle theirwhole hand in that's Super Fun Yeah. So since we're already going totalk about MOU to I'm sure an particular deck choices within that the other deck I think is worth hittingon. As far as why people want to play, it is going to be that ultenate Crosmodeck, it's been hyped up quite a bit. We kind of ragged on it a little bitthe last couple weeks in my opinion, of it's kind of lightened up since then. Ithink it's better than we originally gave it credit for I'm not sure if it'sa deck that I would ever bring to a regional championship, but it's certainly looking as strong, and I mean even the energy removal on theattack is actually pretty good, sometimes like it's, it's extremelyrelevant yeah Y, just yeah, the just being able to discard and energy. Imean it just puts that much more pressure. If you're, not one shouting,I mean at least you get that little bit amount of pressure on the on theopponent, so I think Altacrosma, I don't love it. It just hasn't beenshowing the results in testing that I would want my deck to show. I thinkit's very linear even a little bit more lineer than a deck like Gardivor, because you just don't have access tosome broken gx attack. You don't really have access to healing your guys arevery, very fragile, which is something that I would be concerned about, butyou do have a lot of strengths in that the attack is verystrong hundred N. seventy for one energy, discarding your opponent's,energy, very good, the you know ability to just be a oneprizer very good. So I think there are a lot of things going for it thatpeople will hold on to and grasp and want to play with that deck. But for meit's not something that I love because of it's. It's linear, playstyle yeah, Imean for sure the deck is pretty linear. I was actually watching the zol streamtoday and he was trying it out with counter energy to kind of like do youduleneate the strategy a little bit, adding and stuff like Sudaudo andcobalion, which I the Coballi and I thought was pretty interesting to dealwith Guardion, specifically sue, but still, I think it remains to beseen how the deck actually fairs up against the metagame, because it almost feels, like the other topdecks, can kind of choke it out a little bit if they're left uncheckedyeah. Well, I just worry with that deck. It's like there's a few different ways.You can win right. You can fob away all their energy. Youcan. You know justrun them out of attackers.

You know those are like the two primaryones that I'm thinking of, but you know, there's just there's multiple ways thatany deck can go to kind of counter the strategy, like one Faba in your deck.You know you have now this this live out to you know what your opponents trying todo. So I don't I wouldn't say I would expectit to perform well based on a conversion percentage. I would expectyou know a lot of players to grabitake towards it for sure for sure yeah. So Ithink that's some interesting takes on some of the bigger decks. Let's talkabout some specific things, though, that we have been testing and have beenliking so far, so do e want you kick us off with some cards or ideas that youhave found particularly interesting sure I mean I am not one to hide my play at this point, I'mreally between Gardiwar and Meutu with Moutu. If I had to go tomorrow, I'vebeen I've been telling everyone like, if I, if the Turna wans tomorrow,knowing all that I know which is not, which is not too much again. We'retalking like my testing, has been well above the people in my testing group,and you know not not saying anything negative, just saying that the hoursthat I put in versus the hours that my friends have put in is not you know notvery close, but I would take me to in a heartbeat.I think that deck is just so strong, so good covers a lot of matchups. Thereare things you just can't beat, namely haunch Crow, but you have. You have outs to just about every otherdeck in the format. I think one of the biggest boons that me to got betweenlast forma and this format is mega. Lo Punny, I also think that's a reallygood tech for guard of war as well to try to hit higher numbers, like yousaid, break that damage cap that Guardo or has, however, in Mu to it, also is areally nice addition to deal with turbodark to deal with. I don't knowany other random deck that plays a bunch of gxs down. So I like thataddition to the deck other notable editions, Scoozmahalla kind of smoothsthings out in that mid to late game, where you just need a stadium, you justneed the double colorless energy. You know it just a very nice kind of not anecessity, but a card that you just like to haveit's always nice when you're able to play it you're like okay, I canguarantee myself some resources here for sure what else about the deck Ijust I just like the deck. You have a lot of attacking options you can getthrough just about everything in the format and it's very consistent. I found thatthe deck at least the way I've constructed it. I rarely have handsthat I can't work with and I rarely you know I'd say seventy percent of thetime I get that you know first turn attack with the deck. So I, like those odds, I never find that Ihave two dead of a hand and I really value that going into aregional yeah. For sure I will say something that we have had some debateabout about the deck and I think its worth discussing is the debate between Az and Asarola. Ithink pretty much everyone agree is that some kind of like pickup card isgood in the deck and I t we were actually talking about this just thismorning about what you think might be better inthe medigane right now, trum, I'm kind of teamaze and I think you're apyou'reon the cusp of teamaz right now, if you're not already there as far as benefits and downsides, Az offers Yeu the benefit of being ableto kind of perform more sneaky plays, I can get out of stall lienderstall typescenarios. You can pick up your GERACI and the Mur matchif they don't have a characi down and get a surprise knockout, which you know,you'll never complain about one of those but the downsed, of course, being thatyou just card all your stuff, when you get that pickup JW, have you moved over to team as orare you still feeling as Zerolla yeah I like Az yeah, for mostly for the factthat in the mirror match you have a way to remove the Duraci from the board? SoI think there are. There are scenarios where Acerola is better namly when youwant to stream attackers like it's just a little bit better, because you canpick up your Mutu with energy and you know, move into another Mut Tu andstill have that energy. But then there are situations where Azis better and you outline those very well. So I think there are moresituations that Az is better than ASEROLA. So I think I I think at thispoint I'm firmally Azy Camp Yeah. I think it's I think Acerole is better inthat one specific scenario where you're trying to loope attackers repeatedlysure wheres asy just lets you do more actualplays, I guess, yeah it's a playmaking...

...card as opposed to Aceroll being areactive card. I mean you can even do stuff and you Iactually like almost ashamedly forgot, like you, canjust pick up your shame and sin to dennays and use them again with Az.Unless there's a Shryinan punishment in play, you can't do that with Y, or I mean you can even do really crazystuff like I could like pick up a cur TITA and like discard it, and do itagain sure Wut yeah. That would be sick. If,if I sow on someone do that iwould be pretty impressed, tusted a people havebeen playing Guvonni's exile, which I don't know about that one but yeah. Idon't know. I don't know about that. I think I'll play without Chivonis exilon my deck Isay Yeah Ey John Says Place. Goov up Syclon is filthy, filthy filthe call anythingthat you're Likin Riley. I think we've talked about me too. I mean we'llprobably talk about it again next week. Just because again I am broadcastingthat this is probably going to be my play going to keep everyone updated. If I dofind something else out, but I feel like the matchup coverage with Meutu iscertainly good against the field. Now we're just trying to figure out like.Is it good against what I feel the top players are going to bring like? Isthere some other spicy or interesting deck or interesting tech that I want toexplore a little bit more and does me to handle that stuff? I think againstthe field Meso very good. We just need to see now if it's going to be goodagainst what I expect the other top players to play. Yeah, I think I meanMetois, probably my favorite deck right now, beand. The reason that is is justbecause you have a lot of options with it. There's a lot you cun do ith, justHa Rainbow Energyu Av Tomention valley, and that is really appealing to me. I,like being able to have different options in different matchups. I'm notnecessarily a fan of straightforward deck, so I like that, a lot some other decksthat I've been fond of. I mentioned last week I was sessing the pigy deck,and I mean some of my friends are likesuper about like messing around with that and trying to get itto work. It's just okay. I I wanted to work,though so I'll probably put a couple more kitsits to another deck that I actually think itskind of interesting and Andrew was tessing. This the other day and Katronactually brought up and chat, is pekarom is kind of slid under people'sradars a little bit hater potential play the only thing I've don't likeAPGROM is that it gets even worse bodied by the fighting deck than darkdoes, because it feels like fighting can so easily hit the hundred andtwenty threshold to just not not yeah Pica, whereas he use to have to havelike some modifyer it D, yeah, we're like it's, you know, or the dark boxplays like the little mew or something you know an Mhay like there are waysyou can kind of Yo finass right exactly t. So much with Pekeron, but I it kindof like peet round. It's almost feels like a middle point. I guess between. I don't want to say between me two anddark, but kind of where you have like a couple different options. You canapproach, it's not a straightforward, as necessarily dark is where you onlyjust hit the active for a lot of amage trum wheres tkrom has like sniping. Ithas right. She rigts you like poralsis.They can go into that. I feel like an end or something soi like all those things about it andit pulls the energy out of the deck so like where dark needs to hit. You knowfor Max lixers and for dark catch ad attach for turn and rest throug, dark,Reye and, like all this crazy stuff to et like to the final board, Tay Feveroffice has to hit one Max Lixer, one energy attachment and one timeyou hookup prisom star, and that is three energy and you're ready to go and fromthere you accelerate all the resh of the energy onto the board. Right now there are some like ways: thereobvious wlays to be pekarom and fighting decks, potentially beingpopular would be horrible, but then also like Megalo punny can bemore of a threat to Pekarob than the average deck, but I don't think it'sany more threatening to pee pround that it really is to dark. You know what I'm saying like yeah, Idark has as a higher agef threshold, but your dark plays like way more stuff. True, so I don't think it reallymatters any more than it does for dark. I don't know, I think it's just aninteresting option. It seems like pretty good as well against stuff like like the ocean of Croswit dect, becauseyou can just eccelerate a ton of energy into play, so the energy isn't really abig deal and you can snipe a bunch of damage and Ko either attackers ortheirmark or their actillery right,...

...really kind of stunting them a littlebit with right Tagbol. So I think it's an interesting play acouple. People like peker Om in Portland, and it certainly hasn'tgotten worse since then, so I don' know have Youe put anythought into be grawasoever. No, no! I haven't there's there's so manydecks in expanded, so I just I find if you're, if youhaven't chosen a deck, yet you don't really know what you want to choose. Just pick like two or three and justreally put grind those games. Don't try to figure out every single deckbecauseshwhat's that Gosh noow that horrible there's too many and again youcould get stuck in the loop. Don't get stuck in the look uys of you know. Well,this deck beats this seck. Well, this DEC beets this deck, this degre SIS TICanyknow, you go on forever and then everything beats everything andnothing's good, because everything loses something. Are you alos there? Iknow I know, but it's like it's like an advice. Coming from a point ofknowledge right, you can empathize in that El Experience, yeafor sure, Posso Makeu saying we should just layTickaboolo I'm for that yeah. What I bout Vicca, I'm Youto, broken I think, yeah. I think that thenext I think that we'll think about it, you can comfress or the Booloo and anegg row put a Grubbin on board egg rowl up the big Ahi mean I'm in. I think that might be.The Bdi am axcellent. I'm there Vicam, you tip Jason, says here and decks suchas turbo dark. What do you want to consider a draft rigg to loss zo in theLopening j? I don't think that would realisticallymake a huge difference. So there's like a couple: If you'replaying is Mutu right and they just e. let's say you playin a Muto. They justKao Jou with Amegalo Ponny. There's two scenarios there. You have either Kaosomething already, and so you just need to Carre that muty to win. So you don'twant a waste o turn losssitning something or you haven't caot something. So if youspend time lowsoning, all that will do is itill, give them a chance to knockout the draff and then knock out like a Shamein, and then they went off that. So it feels almost suboptimal to evenbother. Do you see our you know I' coming fromDu Yeah Yeah? Absolutely absolutely, and the other thing too is like thatwhole strategy just goes out the window if they just bench the Megalo punny Al Right, Thec a right. If I know my opponent isplaying Tor Afrek I mean even in you know a stall deck or something, andthen I'm going to look to bench as many attackers as I can so there's alwaysthat Strat, it's a good thought. You know you think like okay draft rig isthe Big Countert to Mute Tu, but you know or like the so like a softcounter. I guess to me to because you can just get rid of their attackers,but in reality, aside from maybe a stall deck that just looks to stall outyour opponent, if it's a prize taking deck, I don't really feel likedraftring, even in like the mirror, doesn't feel like a card that would swing the matchupright at all, and most feels like two is too few things to move in sure, likeattacking matchups, sure and kind of like more mill match. UPS, you candraft like a couple times, and you know now mutuis like six attackers and theLatso things o o Weird, but in other scenarios you know seems like it workout. Fine, I think we're about hitting that pointwe're starting to kind of bounce off questions here. So what kind of open upthe Florida Chat? We already have some kind of cute up that we can work ourway down. If you have any questions, feel free to ask and we'll answer inbetween three and five additional questions about either expandedstandard Po Kamonin general hair products of choice. JW has reallybeen into the hair game. At least recently that's right, growng out hisman Bun, the Bun is coming. It's coming, you can. You can feel it on the Hon,I'm thinking another two months, yeah I mean progressively, I feel like the WR.Like reality itself is almost like shifting as your hair is growing like,I feel, disturbances here in Madison, as your hair grows long. I don't know I mean it's. You know mybody is producing this. You know, how is it doing it crazy right, bas growth is crazy, rothis crazy, Wallace says, is it safe to...

...take ranger out seems like all the ATPhas died. Idon't say that ow man yeah right now the e becomes back. I'lshoot we've a portal, the ATP portal, but rily. Ithink, there's a there's a couple things to that question. First of all, I guess I'll just ask aquestion: Do you think ATP inexpanded will see any play and if you you know why or why not, and thenshould you take out, ranger will adpc play if it does it'll bepretty minimal. I think people are going with more straight forward. Oceanacrosmodecks and more straightforward dark decks. So where else would itreally fit from there? I can't really picture anything. Should you take out range? I think itdepends on the deck. I think some decks are more compatible with ranger thanothers and can more easily slaught it in and also more effectively use it sodanally, I'm thinking of special energy reliant deck, set themselves up to be locked entirelyout of the game to something like a noivern or a Gerascina. If you don'tplay Aranger and and in those kind of decks, I don't see a reason why youwouldn't play it because you're taking a substantial risk, particularlyagainst the mutudecks that are going to try and lock you out of your specialenergy. So if you're, I think it's probablysafe to take out if you're playing like a basic energy deck or something likethat now, you do open yourself up to some weird stuff. If you take it out,but I think realistically, it'll be fine, sure fire flame zeroass is Mauth v Max,actually any good. You know I would love to see someoneplaying the Althabemax in Dallas. That would be totally sick. How would youplay it because you still have to? Is it? Is it n an evolution rule where youcan just evolve it on the second turn? It's Jus a yeah, it's a normalevolution, okay, Ithas, three hundred health. I thinkit's yeah I's huge. It's a huge Reh yeah like to be fair. Not a lot ofthings can actually get there like the three hundred granted is we to fighting,which is probably one of the worst types you give you. I mean what, if you,what if you put it in Guardion, that would be pretty funny. The only problem is like what are youreally doing with it like it does to one damage or whatever that does threehunder damage? I think no Itdoei. What how crazybit this card is. I thought itWa yeah, I mean obviously yeah. If it does, teouter damage definitely play it.Man Like what I'm Goinna look it up. I'm gonna likethat O ihave ill that bl o we'll get I'm going to look it up. I'm GOINTAlook nobody fear, because there's all sorts of ways I can think of the play.I if it does three hundred day allrhtne be Max. It's two hundred Ammand Youa, you notaithree hundred damage and you did not come up for the deck to play it in. You should be frankly ashamed ofyourself. Roh everybody chill, okay, real! You thought in three under damage.I don't know that was just the number that came to my brain. Okay. I clearlyhave already like discarded the thought have a good deck to play, because I'm, like man, just play: Cocoprirsom stard, triple Exceli, let's just Gookan yeah that sounds kind ofgood yeah. We did t any day, that's funny yeah! So is it any good? Imean it's Tanky and I think that's what it really is going for it and theattack is like the damage is a little underwhelming, but the effect of it atleast for the four energy cost. The effect ove is actually pretty good.Like drawing three cars can't complain. I don't know how you'd make that workhough like to what what would really opset putting a three prizor that doesonly two underdamage Max with no real actual effect. Tu would onset that captain crunk cereal says: Can Karenhelp swing the matchup for Guardian versus Mutu, or is it not worth it? Maybe slightly? I mean Karen Silent Labif you do that, like twice that could get pretty tough to deal with over timesum. I don't think like if you're trying tojust care in once and hope that you just wint on the spot you're in for abad time. I think yeah.

The problem, I think with that idea, isjust that if the Mutu player can draw out of the first Karen and presumablyyou're carening early, when you get your first attack, if they can draw outof that and like do take the knockout because you're, not if you care andyou're not going to be drawing more cards like if you leave yourself in aposition where the the music player can just draw out it. That turn that's really not where you want to bewith that deck right, because they could just remove all your energy fromthe field, and you think that going for the carand play might be the best play. But in fact it left you just with with thedead hand, or it left your left, you vulnerable to an attack. So I don't I couldn'timagine Karen being the correct like the answer it could be, it could be, I'm not leaving it out, Iwould say, is I wouldn't play Karen to beat MOU to, but if you're alreadyplaying Karen because you're intending to assist your matchup versus likevestbokwhen or something like that Ar Night March even were nightmarch, thenyou can use it against me too, like it's. I won't like Falt you. If youplay it and you have a follow up the next turn, but I wouldn't put it in your deck,with the express intent of going in some Youtodec shure it that sound aboutright. That's that's pretty good yeah! I like that. What would you consider the dark horseof the expanded Meta, the dark horses, the expanded Meta at this point almost feels like likearchies or Pikarom, is kind of occupying that spot. You know whereit's like good enough to beat a lot of things, but not really on anyone'sradar, which is kind of odd to say, especiallyif you look back a couple months ago, heading into Virginia and Fortlands, like archies,was so ridiculously hiped up so and now nobody's talking about it whatsoever.Sure so yeah you have another orse tin comesto mind. I just think it suffers like the archiese suffers from just havingother mutu decks, be more consistent or as consistent or more consistent thanit. It really just doesn't have the room to play Geraci in it, so you'releaving your meat tos week. But me too is your own. Only real attacker, it just doesn't it in theory. blastersis good because you have just multitude of attacks that you can use nobody'sreally talking about it. So there's no real counter, there's not really a lotof item lock in the format. I do think Eggro is not the play for Dallas whichhurts my heart. So if you know theoretically, archieshas some things going for it, but then you remember: okay, you're, justsacking these mutus thats. Your only attackers and any mutube base deck withthemention Valleue is going to really hard punish you it. I don't see ablasti stick ever overcoming that plus you could just get run off thetable by dark right. They can just take two knockouts on your Mutus, maybeyou're playing it in a different way than I'm describing it, but the wayI've seen it is just moutub based blasttoys right and that's the casethat I think you have a really hard time against Mutu DEX and I also thinkit'll be very hard for you to be things like things like turboter. An Jason bringsup in the chat the Tina Chap Cafagria. Stick. I've heard a lot of peopletalking about that deck, so it's t's almost like quickly rising out of darkhorse status and everybody everybody's talking about it, yeah Riley. Why don'tyou explain Tina Chap Cafa Gregus? As you know, it' right, so the concept ofthe deck is very romnicient of the standard, Tina Chompdeck, except atkind of does the Roxy and the vismagias at the same time. So for those of youwho are nuit to the game, there's a plasma copagigis with the Abiliti sixfeet under and you can knock out the CAFAGIGAS and fatrisis just like a mouthful to sayalso yeah, and you can place three damage countersin your Pon Te side of the field, and so that kind of sets up teen tochop perfectly to not only come from behind and use karate bell andcountergane like it is 't standard format, but it also sets up the mathpreemptively to use callamitous a for the maximum effectand with just a double dragon and a tool you're able to use clama slashfrom one attachment while you're behind. So the concept is pretty solid on paper in practice. I think it's a littleharder to actually get off as effectively as you would want de wellyou're automatically like it's not in it's, not like it's in standard whereyou can just duskstone right, and that was the first point I was going to makeBeis. You don't have dust done anymore, so that is...

...that's a friaking sucker man. That's but like. I think there is some meritsto it like if you're able to get your strategy off, it seems really goodright. This synergy is clearly there, but then you're also playing a greenstack at expanded and that's kind of like a feels fad tat. There's there'sno point. I think I think, to playing a Greensteckin expanded unless it's likea stall deck. I maybe could see that, but even then, like thereare, just, Ithink better cards, but it's the same kind of problem rightthat, like a lot of decks area, lot of, I feel, is wrong with welder inexpanded,where you just don't have access to the full effects of Shamans, which is really tough. I think shameitis just one of the best drack hards that we have access to and not being able toplay it. You know to good effect or to any effect. I guess, if you're playinga greenstick really isn't the way to go with these dacks now. I also want tosay, though, like maybe Greens, isn' necessarily a routlike you- could also just play a more typical kind of expanded deck. Thatplay is just a DD engine and the reason I'm saying that is, Ihave run on to some like Guaurotinea FOCUSD dacks, not necessarily thisexact deck on the ladder and they they haven't necessarily always won,but they've always been very scary to play against and they escalate veryquickly like I played against te like a Euritina Guar top batstack once andlike Oh. This is just like this is the pile of craft like I'm, going to befirst for sure and like he actually like totally freaked me out, it feltway closer than it should have like being a SEBASTEC. So I think there's like some amount ofmerit there. I just don't know. If necessarily it'sbeen fully unlocked yet right. I think that's a very good wayto put it right like if theyre, I think, there's the best way to play it, and Idon't think that way has been found and published at least yet- and I have notput in enough time to find it myself, and I don't know if I necessarily willput it enough time before Dallas, to figure it out sure absolutely yeah. We're coming down wotthe wire, maybe maybe we will, though, because you- and I we're talking aboutthis teck earlier today and it feels like we almost have to give it sometime now. WELIT's, like you know, you're talking about you, know, you'vemade MEM necx before real DX yeah. So, Oh for Sureyeah, maybe well, that's wasfurther evidence like. Maybe we just need to sit down and play this teckhash it out, yeah O Fr. What if we just perfected it, and it was th, vsdek,okay? Well, what if I just played it on my after dark stream, Yeahi just keepironing it out until we like yeah, perfect it and it's all out there yeahyeah, I'm for it, man I'm for Okay and that'. I that's like a that's a perfecttant to chanceit to do. I think what you agree. I would totally agree. Yes, this was agreat episode. RILY! Thank you, for I don't know just being you well, thankyou for being you as well. GW YOU LITTLE KITI PATITI! Thank you all right! So that'll be it for thisweek. Everyone. Thank you. So much for tuning in we will be back next weekwith our finalized insight, F, stop waving, finalized insight into Dallas and we'llalso try and pust some updates on our twitter heading into the weekend. So ifyou follow us on twitter, you'll get to see the most updodate versions of whatwe're thinking going into Dallas, and with that we will catch you all nextleepeace.

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