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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 1, Episode 13 · 2 years ago

12. Messing with Texas

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Yeah, what is up everybody?Welcome back to tag team. I'm your host, Riley Hulbert, joined bymy good friend and Co host JW Crey Wall. Looking fresh today, JW, how you doing? And I'm doing really well, Riley. Thank youfor asking, for sure, man. So I think we're really getting inthe think of it at this point. Dallas is just around the corner andcosmic eclipse is quickly on the way out at this point in the format andit's kind of interesting to see how things have evolved. Today we're going totalk about a little bit of cosmic clips standard, go over the Lead Cupthat I was at this past weekend and any insight that JW happens to have. But the large focus today we're planning to be on expanded format. Wehave done quite a bit of testing at this point. Of course, wewant to do quite a bit more going into Dallas and we're excited to sharethat insight with you because we are leaks of our leave of our knowledge isand we want to share that with you. So we'll just start from the beginning. There was a cup last weekend in Illinois K energy. I endedup taking it home with guard of our Sylvion, which was pretty fun.JW. Have you gotten to play any standard events recently? I have not. The last one was the one that we went to a couple weeks ago. Geez man, you're fine out. I know it's a dirth of overhere for us. I can't even make it to Lee Challenges. It's prettybad. I want to play some poke but I can't. I just liketoo busy or there's nothing close on it area or yes, I'm busy.I was busy last weekend, I'm going to be busy this weekend. It'sa whole thing. It's a whole Dang thing. Man. I agree.Well, at least you got some chances to test expanded. So that's true. I'm sure one great and site. They're yes, but standard is certainlyevolving and I think a really interesting direction. We saw this format start and itwas pretty much just like ATP and abilities art and you two or theV decks and Mewtwo is kind of risen up and stay at the top.Charis art is faded completely out of the picture, it feels like at thispoint. ATP FEELS HALF DEAD, at least in the ways that it wasat the start of the format. The burs variant has kind of come fromhere. I actually Kay, what are your thoughts of the ATP bird stick? I mean it's kind of cool. I was talking to somebody today andthey're like, Hey, I got top four and top too at a cupor. You know, I two cups the last weekend. So anything ispossible. Anything is possible. So you're saying you don't like the deck.It wouldn't be what I choose, but I could see how somebody would liketo have I would look at really round about way to say you don't likea day. No, no, I can see how somebody would like tochoose it, because we kind of have like cosmic eclips didn't really bring anynew decks outside of ATP to the metagame. So I feel like it's it's reallyfelt pretty stale, and I think that's part of why people have been, you know, saying maybe this standard isn't so fun or isn't so interestingbecause we've seen a lot of the top decks for a while. You know, you think I'Mut to dating back to world's basically in the same construction asit was back then. You know, abilities already is a thing like Guardianstill kind of that same idea. So I think people are getting a littlebit bored and you know, one of the best ways to cure that boredomis to play a ridiculous trio tag team. Yeah, I mean, plus threehundred hps, nothing to scoff at. And the Greens engine is probably betterto whatever the heck ATP is doing before with its weird conglomeration of cards, but it still feels kind of like a conglomeration of random cards, likeit almost feels like you went into your Bulk Ben and pulled out a bunchof stuff through and yeah, I mean I definitely like ATP is always kindof felt like that beginner deck right where you're just like hey, this cardlooks good, I'm just going to play it. And now even more so, right with the bird trio, because they're like man, this is sucha cool card, especially if you have the kind of the stained glass hollowPromo. That's a cool card, like why wouldn't you want to play that? For sure, man, sure it is actually real, the beautiful card, I will say it's the three different energy requirements, I think, reallyis what tilts me. Of sure, sure, funny right, yeah,you have to attack turn one with the Victini with a fire energy to puta water in a metal on your RTP, so that way you can attach afire, a water and an electric to your virtrio. It's broken thisit's like there's too many energies, man. There's like, at one point inPokemon's history, do your realist equally play a four different basic energy deck? Right? Just does happen? It...

...really doesn't. It's totally bizarre andso I don't know, I'm not really big fan of that deck, butit's definitely grown quite a bit. But I think the real rock star atthe tail end of this format. We talked about this last week, isguarantine a guard shop, and if you told me at the start of beautifiedminds the guarantine of guard chop was going to be a premier deck in pairwith the Greens engine, I would tell you that you're absolutely insane, becausethat's something any sense to me. Sure, but low and behold, it's almostI don't really know why it submerged to be so good. I reallylike flaying it, but I think it's just because it's so simple, right, like you linear attack and you calamitous slash and that's there's always something thatyou can kind of do with it, right. I think that's what makesit good. Right, for sure. I mean it has like kind ofthis inherent draw right in the Miss Manchius. It has a lot of coverage againsta lot of matchups. For sure, work your way out of things.So we're you know, has a really good gx attack. Yeah,there's just all I work for it. Yeah, for sure. And evenget to play fun cards to like you talked about playing the bird in ATPyou get to play Roxy and wheezing, which crazy. Yeah, that's reallyfun. If you think catching three different energy to your virtuos fun, Ithink discarding to wheezings off a roxy is like the most fun thing. It'sa reminder opponent to put the s and stuff, I know, right.So cool. Yeah, for sure. But that deck I found was reallyfrustrating me because I didn't have all the cards for it and it was everywhereat my locals. And if you know anything about me, it's that Ilove controled x and Pidgee kind of struggles against wheezing, putting damage all overyour board with like no regard for anything else. Absolutely. So I Ibe very bengrettily packed up my pigies, put them away and I pulled outan old favorite from the world championships and Guardian. It's like hey, weaknessis a thing. I think the matchup is actually a lot closer than weaknesswouldn't fly just because a weak card energy and I think a good gg endcan really ruined Guardians Day to churns and I don't think my opponents on here, TNA Gar chomp used ggnd as effectively as they could have. Sure,regardless, I ran up with Guardian and it was pretty fun time round.One I was against a Behem deck and I saw the I saw them pullout their VHM and I'm like, oh no, I literally lose because theyget out the stupid nine tails with the ability and I just can't do anything, no way around it whatsoever. Turns out, and I this is whatI almost knew I was going to win the whole tournament, is they turnone elms right and they get they started a piggy, they get one otherPigi and two biggiotos. Oh you're and I knew it that far. Theyhad no way to get their nine tails. They had like no way to gethum that turn and I was just going to win that turn, atleast that round. I felt pretty good about that. Rape it was superfunny and like my opponent was like yeah, my prizes are pretty bad, whenI was like yeah, let me guess, you prize Piggy Pigio ninetails this and I guess like five and six prizes. It's because there wasthat bad. It was pretty awesome. So that's been well, needless tosay. And then I was against the Mutwo deck round to and I kindof, you know, hit him with the old classic Power Plant Shrety.Good Card. I've gotta say when I guess the ATP Burrs Round Three netthat can actually get a little scary for Guardian because what they can do is, if they focus entirely on the birds, they can kind of heal you fora little bit and then shuffle their bird back and spread damage. wouldsets up these crazy knockouts. So what I just I just turned one,immediately, gusted the bird before it had like enery energy on it, andjust hit it and that was kind of my path to win. I thinkI guessed the bird three turns in a row, okay, and just kepthitting it until I finally magical miracled. So what happened was they shuffled inand like did the one hundred and ten and they removed all of their energyfrom the board and then I magical the cracle the tag three times and Iwas broke. It was pretty awesome. And then I was like, it'sa Tina shop that couldn't draw the weakness card energy. So I okay withthem and like three turns. Sure, that felt good. I did thelast two rounds and I was in top cut. Top cut was looking prettyscary because there's several piggy players in the...

...midst and the hum guy was ina winning it. He had like climbed back from the own one start withthem and was ready to destroy me in top cut. But then he losthis pointing into NEWTO. So it kind of all worked out perfectly for sure. And and so it was set up that I would play piggey and topfour and I was against Mewtwo and top eight. Yeah, barely beat themew too actually, because they played to chaotics well, which I was franklysurprised by. Okay, but I do get there with kind of a typicalguardian strategy of just power plant, reset stamp and Xander Perrot ends up beatingthe pigey. So I end up facing his Tina chomp deck instead of Piggy, which don't great. That series actually was pretty crazy because I'd a convincinggame one, a very close game to that I lost, and game therewas looking pretty close. He reset stamps me to like to maybe three andchaos a Guardi, and so I have like a three energy Guardi and that'sbasically it. But I have tie switch in my hand and Energy and Iget a greens. So I Greens for the chair and I've switched as well. So I Greens for like or I at least have one of the pieces. So I Greens for the stuff. To finish off, the Lucia Combolost own his last gearty a guard shop, and then he's basically screwed. Buthe's not. Zander prosn't just going to give up right right. Sohe has a miss. Is a mistress on the board, promotes it sleepor something. What's right? So, like the mischievous, does ten anywhere. Is the tell. But let mistress has sixty HP as well. Solike the Lui, a psychic will kill it. So he has the gustup my one energy guardian and then he evolves into his Magi is and he'slike I'm just ay attaches an energy to it and he's like I'm going toattach three times and I'm going to start hypnote lastic. So he does thatand he recep stamps me to like one and I'm like, okay, Iguess this is happening. Now I just need to either wake up and drawan energy or draw any of my like very numerous herd switch outs and Iwin. But he actually gets all three energy on there and attacks me likefour times and I'm like healing with great portions and stuff, but I'm likegetting down to the wire. I think my guardias like two attacks left init after all the healing here did. And finally I get a like acoach trainer and draw into the Malan Lana. So the next turn he just hasto not draw the reset stamp again. Yeah, and you roxy's with onepokemon and draws like three of US card deck and doesn't hit the resetstamp. Dank and I was able to do out of sounds really tight.Yeah, pretty crazy it was. It was very entertaining. I will sayyeah, yeah, I can just imagine you guys like just kind of beingyou know, it's really about it. Yeah, it was fun. Itwas fun for sure, but then I go into the final. All's againstthis really nice kid. He's also playing Tina Guard chop, which I thinkI like. Yeah, Tina Guard chop, and which goes to show like howpopular it is in the area. I played it in Swiss and twiceand cut. Sure, but he wasn't playing the Roxy version, which Ithink is strictly better against Guardian because he gets rightly. Sure, sure,and so, like his mom, they it's like a kids like sixteen yearsold and his mom is like I'm going to pick him up and he's like, Oh, we just got the one round left, and so it's monstersdown. It's like, Oh, I'll just watch them and I like twoof the guy like fifteen minutes. It felt kind of bad. There's Samit know, I turn his mom and like I swear the rest of hisday was definitely better than this, like consoling her, like Oh, howjust a little, but here I like I felt kind of bad, likeI didn't want to like embarrass that you want or like make them up.Think he's bad at cards or right, but I'll definitely take the dove skifor sure, of course. I mean, yeah, no, person was nopersons for sure, absolutely cool. So I took that. It soundslike a pretty epic League Cup. Yeah, it was really fun and Guardian actuallyend up winning here in Ohio, or I guess they're in Ohio aswell. Very similar list. It seems like Guardian is kind of emerged.Is One of, if not the best, deck in this format, which isanother shocker heading into it. I think. I think people thought dragontypes were going to be good in this...

...format, but I don't think thatparticular dragon type they're thinking about was going to be guaranty. A guard shop. Sure. So it's just been interesting. I think. Excuse me, Ithink if you had to change guardian moving forward, there was the onlycar that really catches my eye to like better address the current Meta. IfI think an a porter could be really good in the deck. And aporter, yeah, for against me, two, so again against me,two thr the Rabos, but against scared he have a card shop. Youcan Greens directly into the weakness card removal, as opposed to Greens for fava.Gotcha. Got, you got. You so like you don't have toplay any two hit Kao game. You're just like, all right, Greensand a porter. Put that out of this Magus. You're dead. Yeah, which just sounds like an epic gamer moment, for sure. That soundsso filthy to use an a border plus like you get to declare, anda porter, which is not something you get to do all the time,right, for sure. So that's Super Fun. So there's definitely a meanfact to it. There definitely is. So, if you're on the cuffsright now, I don't recommend Guardian. I think it's really, really strongin the standard format. It deals with one price decks incredibly well. Theonly bad match up I think Guardian takes right now is like stall and fire, but fires on the low right now, and everybody plays stall at locals,that's for sure, right, right. Yeah, so good. I'm enjoyingguardian. Do you have any other decks that you're liking his standard rightnow? You'd recommended for a cup. MMM, no, not really.I mean I've heard a lot of talk about ATP bird trio. We talkeda little bit about that earlier. You know, I just don't actually haveany events until Dallas. So I haven't been thinking about standard too much.But you know, I would take that. I'd take birds. You know,I'm an unabashedly stand of birds. So for sure. I think whatbothers me most about birds is if you play it's I've played birds a lot, like a lot of stall decks and my first the first part of thisquarter, and I think they're really good and really strong. But sometimes youjust want to take some price cards, you know, sure, sure,and it's like at least when your deck that takes price cards, you havea little bit less of a right to complain about your price cards. Right, right, where's like? Birds can be hard killed. I had multiplegames in the past couple weeks. Or I prize like double stamp and youjust kind of lose anything. Yeah, where's like, you know, ifI priced, do you stay with Guardian? I could, I could draw theday drop up again. Yeah, you like that's pretty sick, likeif you think about a drawing a prize card is like having a bird out. It's so filth so so. Well, yeah, Super Fun stuff. Beforewe getting to expanded I did want to give a quick shat out tofull group Games. For GERP Games does sponsor the stream and they helped outwith our giveaway with the red and blue last week. We do want todo more tag team supporter giveaways. JW. I don't know what to talk about. Which one we want to do next. I think Cynthia Kaitlyn,if we give away that will be the last one that we do. Sure, yeah, but maybe like a goose on hollow would be cool going intoexpanded. That would be pretty so be on the lookout for that as well. And if you want to sup of your game or expand your Meta intoDallas, be sure to check out full your games or full GIP CODESCOM andthey'll be hooking you up with the good stuff for cheap cool. So,looking ahead, though, Dallas Regional Championship is in just a week and ahalf and I think your sites have been set on it for well over twomonths now. I'm honestly a little bit tired of it, like I've doneso much that I feel like my brain is just melting and I just needto play the tournament. You know. It's like I've done, yeah,more preparation than that many people I know, and I'm like really excited to talkabout some things, but sometimes I feel like I don't even have alevel to talk about things with. You know, people don't have the samegrasp of the Meta that I feel like I do. Right all, thetroop may come, the tournament may come and I might go thudthree drop,you know, just thereby pretty up it all of my testing, however,you know it. I just wanted to be here because there's all this conjecture, all this I feel like I've placed this tournament on just such a highpedestal with how much effort I put into the format, how much I've discussedit, how much we've talked about on the show, and it's just timefor it to be here, time to put my money where my mouth isand, you know, show the world what we got. And I think, and I don't mean this in a bad way, but I think you'reat that point in like tournament prep where you prepped so much that like everylittle thing starts to freak you out because it like any small shake to theway that you're viewing the Meta is like...

...a big deal. That yeah,or or to it's like, you know, I have a best deck, butthen there's like a new deck that comes up that counters that deck.So then you like counter the counter and then like you get down this reallybad yeah, you had if in this horrible feedback loop for like everything beatseverything and like you need to find the thing that beats all those things andit could be really rough and for somebody like me that kind of obsesses overthat, like finding the perfect sixty cards to play, it trapped. Ican get trapped. Yeah, for sure, I know. I know you liketo find your perfect sixty. So let's talk about that. Then beforethe podcast we talked about kind of what we thought might be the top decksheading into the Dallois metagame. Do you want to review this for US reallyquickly? I would say the top like five decks probably in terms of theamount of people playing them, are going to be dark ry and Guardi,I would I would imagine will contend for about the top spot with maybe fifteenpercent of the Meta, fifteen to twenty percent, I would imagine. Ithink altern across we should see a lot of play and me two should seea significant amount of play. I don't know if you know. Me Twois the choice of a lot of people just because of its difficulty to pilot, but I do think it'll be there. And you know, top five mostplayed, and then we were talking about this earlier. I kind offeel like the counter decks, things like Lucario, things like baby buzz will, garbodor, things like like and rocks or are these kind of fighting counteresque style decks? I just kind of lump them together in this fight guyscategory. I feel like those will comprise one of some of the top fivedecks. I've just seen a lot of. You know, you look at theIowa Cupp resalts or Lucargo's kind of doing pretty well. Buzz will alwaysseems to have the hearts and minds of the masses. Does it anymore,though? I feel like buzzledn't appear at all, and like poort int atleast. Sure, but now that I think turbo dark is also more hypedup than it was for those other tournaments. So I feel like just people sayhey, you know what time to dust off these buzzwules? And thenZorark obviously will be a comfort pick. Definitely needs to be updated, aswe're talking about before the Stream, but I think people will turn to Zorarcto yeah, for sure. So let's let's talk about some of those decksand then we can elaborate on specific things that were interested in. So youknow, there's obviously reasons why people are interested or drawn to these decks andI'd like to touch on that for for at least some of these five.So let's start with the top from turbo dark. Why do you think TURBOTDARCis such a draw right now? What is making that a premier deck that'sgoing to occupy such a large part of this metagame? I think it justhits hard fast. It has answers to like a lot of different things.I mean, if you look at some of the hardest counters in the formatright now, I'm thinking of things like vile plume, I'm thinking of thingslike, I don't know, Hoopa with the Scoundrel Ring Ability. Just thesekinds of countery style cards are really well handled by the dark decks and whilethey're also really well handled by the dark dark decks, dark box can alsoblow up big tag teams. You know, I find that there's sometimes there area lot of cards that can handle one or the other but not bothvery well, and so this deck really does that to really fine degree.Yeah, I would agree, and I'd also like to say that dark isa strategy that generally people enjoy and find Super Fun and appealing. I mean, what's more exciting than hitting the exelixer? Man, I don't again, maybethe birth of your first child, maybe, but like, let's getrealistic. Let's be realistic here. Like would you rather hit the maxlixer foryour ten energy on dark turn one, or would you rather have a firstbornchild? MM, that is tough, I know, I know, I'llget back to you. It's that's a real thinker for the for the listenersand viewers, so be sure to tweeted us what you would think. Butyeah, I mean like it's an exciting, fun strategy. Dark Patch and Maxlixer are some of the like just premier cards that people just are fondof and enjoy playing. Sure, and also hitting a lot of damage issomething people like to do. I mean we sure saw that with fire andstandard format. People always would gravitate towards this a weld ring and vomiting damageon the board, and I feels like dark kind of emulates that and expanded, and absolutely so. Then next on...

...the list we have guardian. Guardiancertainly does not hit as hard as a dark but has that healing aspect andit has the energy transfer aspect, which is also a very fun strategy.Is anything else that you think really draws people to Guardian right now? Well, like you said, we were just talking about this earlier in the cast. Guardian is kind of emerged as the standard favorite, you know, kindof a standard deck that ports over extremely well and very easily and very cheaplyinto expanded and so I feel like that'll be a big draw. It's beenseeing a lot of success in standard. I think if there are decks thatcan do well and standard and have shown to do well and expanded, feellike that will be a big draw, particularly for the newer players, buteven for season veterans. Cardivar has a lot of you know, durability asa lot of you know. Maybe not the cutest plays, you can't reallymake too many q plays with with Guardian, but it's just a solid contender foryou know, it does what it needs to do most of the timeand I think that's a big draw. Yeah, I mean very song gueststhere for sure. Yeah, very good attack, sure. The only thingthat really a kind of annoys me. I guess about Guardian is just likeyour damage is relatively capped and a known quantity and your opponent can kind ofplay around it. Now, granted, you know the deck has more toit than damage. I think, is what really it comes down to.I have a lot of you play a ton of stadium cards to disrupt youropponent strategy and kind of bring them to your level, which I guess that'swhat Guardia is all about. Right in Standard Annex fand is like you're you'redictating the game and bringing everyone to your level and you play the game withthat level the best of anyone. Right, right, and it has, Imean arguably, one of the strongest gx attacks in in the game.You know, if you can pick up a fall, it were, Cole, and get a silent lab down, then you're really limiting your opponent tomaybe drawing one out of, you know, five or six cards left in theirdeck. That's live, maybe even less in a lot of cases.So you know, the gx is just insanely good and and it's Super Funtoo. I mean we're talking about the fun factor earlier. Yeah, havingyour opponent shuffle their whole hand in. That's Super Fun. Yeah, so, since we're already going to talk about me too, I'm sure, andyou're particular, deck choices within that, the other deck I think is worthhitting on as far as why people want to play. It's going to bethat ultration across my deck. It's been hyped up quite a bit. Wekind of ragged on it a little bit the last couple weeks. I'm myopinion of it's kind of lightned up since then. I think it's better thanwe originally gave it credit for. I'm not sure if it's a deck thatI would ever bring to a regional championship, but it's certainly looking strong, andI mean even the energy removal on the attack is actually pretty good.Sometimes like it's it's extremely relevant. Yeah, just yea, the just being ableto discard and energy. I mean it just puts that much more pressureif you're not one shotting, I mean at least you get that little bitamount of pressure on the on the opponent. So I think ultram ACROSMA, Idon't love it. It just hasn't been showing the results in testing thatI would want my deck to show. I think it's very linear, evena little bit more linear than a deck like guardivore because you just don't haveaccess to some broken gx attack. You don't really have access to healing.Your guys are very, very fragile, which is something that I would beconcerned about. But you do have a lot of strengths in that the attackis very strong. One hundred and seventy four one energy discarding your opponent's energyvery good. The you know, ability to just be a one prizer verygood. So I think there are a lot of things going for it thatpeople will hold onto and grasp and want to play with that deck, butfor me it's not something that I love because of its linear play style.Yeah, I mean for sure the DECK IS PRETTY LINEAR. I was actuallywatching as Wull stream today and he was trying it out with counter energy tokind of like do delineate the strategy a little bit, adding and stuff likeSududo and cabellion, which I the covalion. I thought was pretty interesting to dealwith Guardian specifically, sure, but still I think it remains to beseen how the deck actually fares up against the metagame, because it almost feelslike the other top decks can kind of choke it out a little bit ifthey're left unchecked. Yeah, well, I just worry with that deck.It's like there's a few different ways you can win, right. You canfob away all their energy, you can, you know, just run them outof attackers. You know, I...

...those are like the two primary onesthat I'm thinking of. But you know, there's just there's multiple ways that anydecks can go to kind of counter the strategy. Like one Faba inyour deck. You know, you you have now this this live out toyou know what your opponents trying to do. So I don't I wouldn't say Iwould expect it to perform well based on a conversion percentage. I wouldexpect, you know, a lot of players to gravitate towards it, forsure. For sure. Yes, I think that's an interesting takes on someof the bigger decks. Let's talk about some specific things, though, thatwe have been testing and have been liking so far. So they haven't watcha kick us off with some cards or ideas that you have found particularly interesting? Sure, I mean I am not one to hide my play at thispoint. I I am really between Gardivore and mute. To with mew twoif I had to go tomorrow. I've been I've been telling everyone like byif the turnament was tomorrow, knowing all that I know, which is not, which is not too much. Again, we're talking like my testing has beenwell above the people in my testing group, you know, not notsaying anything negative, just saying that the hours that I put in versus thehours that my friends have put in, it is not, you know,not very close. But I would take me to in a heartbeat. Ithink that deck is just so strong, so good. Covers a lot ofmatchups. There are things you just can't beat, namely haunch Crow, butyou have you have outs to just about every other deck in the format.I think one of the biggest boons that me two got between last format inthis format is megalopuney. I also think that's a really good tech for guardivoreas well to try to hit higher numbers, like you said, break that damagecap that guardivore has. However, in Mewtwo. It also is areally nice addition to deal with turbo dark, to deal with I don't know anyother random deck that plays a bunch of gx's down, so I likethat addition to the deck. Other notable addition Scousmahala kind of smooth things outin that mid to late game where you just need a stadium, you justneed the double colorless energy. You know. It just a very nice kind ofnot a necessity, but a card that you just like to have.It's always nice when you're able to play it. You're like, okay,I can get and see myself some resources here. For sure. What elseabout the deck? I just I just like the deck. You have alot of attacking options. You can get through just about everything in the formatand it's very consistent. I found that the deck, at least the wayI've constructed it, I rarely have hands that I can't work with and Irarely, you know, I'd say seventy percent of the time I get that, you know, first turn attack with the deck. So I like thoseodds. I never find that I have two dead of a hand and Ireally value that going into a regional yeah, for sure. I will say somethingthat we have had some debate about about the deck and I think it'sworth discussing, is the debate between a Z and a Sol Rolla. Ithink pretty much everyone agrees that some kind of like pick up card is goodin the deck, and I think we were actually talking about this just thismorning, about what you think might be better in the MEDA game right now. Term, I'm kind of team a Z and I think you're a you'reon the cusp of team a z right now, if you're not already there. As far as benefits and downsides, a Z offers you the benefit ofbeing able to kind of perform more sneaky plays. I can get out ofstall, lie stander stall type scenarios. You can pick up your Geraci inthe mirror match. If they don't have it, you're actually down and geta surprised knockout, which you know you'll never complain about one of those,with the downside, of course, being that you discard all your stuff whenyou get that pickup. JW. Have you moved over to team Az orare you still feeling as Rolla? Yeah, I like a Z. Yeah,for mostly for the fact that in the mirror match you have a wayto remove the GERACI from the board. So I think there are there arescenarios where Ace Rolla is better, namely when you want to stream attackers.Like it's just a little bit better because you can pick up your meat withenergy and you know, move into another mewtube and still have that energy.But then there are situations where a z is better, and you outline thosevery well. So I think there are more situations that a z is betterthan ACE Rolla. So I think. I think at this point I'm firmlya Zy camp. Yeah, I think it's. I think as roll isbetter in that one specific scenario where you're trying to loose attackers repeatedly, sure, whereas a z just lets you do more actual plays, I guess.Yeah, yeah, it's a playmaking card as opposed to ace roll of beinga reactive car. I mean you can...

...even do stuff and you I actuallylike almost ashamedly forgot, like you can just pick up your shame ands intoDnne's and use them again with a Z. unless there's a shine to punishment andplay, you can't do that with there, or I would. Youcan even do really crazy stuff, like you could like pick up a CURETTAand like discard it and do it again. Sure, but yeah, that wouldbe sick. If I'd I saw someone do that, I would bepretty impressed. Lust to day people have been playing Giovanni's exile, which Idon't know about that one. But yeah, I don't know. I don't knowabout that. I think I'll play without Giovanni's exile on my deck ifI yeah, a John says place scoopup cyclone instead. Filthy, filthy,filthy, call anything that you're liking. Riley, I think we've talked aboutme too. I mean we'll probably talk about it again next week just becauseagain, I am broadcasting that this is probably going to be my play.Going to keep everyone updated if I do find something else out. But Ifeel like the matchup coverage with Mewtwo is certainly good against the field. Nowwe're just trying to figure out, like, is it good against what I feelthe top players are going to bring, like is there some other spicy orinteresting deck or interesting tech that I want to explore a little bit moreand does me to handle that stuff? I think against the field me too, very good. We just need to see now if it's going to begood against what I expect the other top players to play. Yeah, Ithink. I mean you two is probably my favorite deck right now. Beand the reason that is is just because you have a lot of options withit. There's a lot you can do which is a rainbow energy, tomention valley, and that is really appealing to me. I like being ableto have different options in different matchups. I'm not necessarily a fan of straightforwarddecks, so I like that a lot. Some other decks I've been fond of. I mentioned last week I was tested in the Piggie deck, andI mean some of my friends are like super about like messing around with thatand trying to get it to work. It's just okay, yeah, yeah, I wanted to work though, so I'll probably put a couple work gamesit's too. Another deck that I actually think it's kind of interesting. AndAndrews testing this the other day, and Ktron actually brought up in chat,is peak a ram is kind of slid under people's radars a little bit.Sure potential play. The only thing I don't like that pegram is that itgets even worse bodied by the fighting decks than dark does, because it feelslike fighting can so easily hit the one hundred and twenty threshold to just knock. Yeah, I got Pika. Where is it used? Has To havelike some modified it dark. Yeah, we're like it, you know,or the the dark box plays like the little mew or something. You know, and maybe you count like there are ways you can kind of finesse rightexactly so much with peak rom, but it kind of like Peter Ram.It's almost feels like a middle point, I guess, between I don't wantto save, between me two and dark, but kind of where you have likea couple different options you can approach. Is Not as straightforward as necessarily darkis, where you only just hit the active for a lot of damage. Surem where's peak ram has like sniping, it has ris Rightchili paralysis. Theycan go into that. I feel like an an or something. SoI like all those things about it. And it pulls the energy out ofthe deck. So, like we're dark needs to hit, you know,for Max Luxers and for dark patch and attached for turn and rest three darkereye and like all this crazy stuff. To get like to the final boarsstay, Pekrom just has to hit one maxlicks or one energy attachment and onetopic, Coco Prism Star, and that is three energy and you're ready togo. And from there you accelerate all the rest of the energy onto theboard right now there are some like ways. They're obvious ways to be peak aram and fighting decks potentially being popular would be horrible. But then alsolike mega low puney can be more of a threat to peek around than theaverage deck. But I don't think it's any more threatening to peek around thatit really is too dark. You know what I'm saying? Like yeah,and dark has as a higher HV threshold, but your dark plays like way morestuff. Sure, so I don't think it really matters anymore than itdoes for dark. I don't know, I think it's just an interesting option. It seems like pretty good as well against stuff like like the ocean acrosswith deck, because you can just accelerate a ton of energy into play.So the energy isn't really a big deal and you can snipe a bunch ofdamage and Ko either attackers or their mock...

...or their artillery and right really kindof stunt on them a little bit with right tag bolt. So I thinkit's an interesting play. A couple people like Pekuam in Portland and it's certainlyhasn't gotten worse since then. So I don't have even put any thought intofigure on whatsoever. No, now I haven't. There's there's so many decksin expanded so I just I find if you're if you haven't chosen a deckyet, you don't really know what you want to choose, just pick liketwo or three and just really put grind those games. Don't try to figureout every single deck, because what's that? Gosh? No, no, there'shorrible. There's too many, and again you could get stuck in theloop. Don't get stuck in the loop, guys of you know, well,this deck beats this deck. Will this deck beats this deck, thisdeck beets this deck. You know, you go on forever and then everythingbeats everything and nothing's good because everything loses something. You're also there. Iknow, I know, but it's like it's like an advice coming from apoint of knowledge, right, you can empathize of that feeling for periods.Yeah, for sure. Fause to Maka saying we should just play pick aBOOOO. I'm for that. Yeah, what Ifoultd Vica me youtub broken?I think. Yeah, I think that the neck. I think that we'llthink about it. You can confressor the Booloo and an egg row. Puta grubbing on board. Egg grow up the Bible. Ah, I mean, I mean, I'm in. I think that might be the BE DIIhave. Actually, I'm there, vicum, you too, Jason says here.In deck such as Turbo Dark. What do you want to consider adraft rigg to lost zone the low penny? I don't think that would realistically makea huge difference. So there's like a couple if you're playing its mutworight, and they just let's say you playing it to me too. Theyjust kyoed you with a Megalo Puney. There's two scenarios there. You haveeither chaos something already and so you just need to Ko that met to win. So you don't want to waste to turn lass owning something or you haven'tKot something. So if you spend time loss zoning, all that will doif it'll give them a chance to knock out the raft and then knock outlike a shaman. And then they went off that. So it feels almostsuboptimal to even bother. HMM. Do you see our you know where fromfrom? DWY? Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. And the other thing too, is like that whole strategy just goes out the window if they just benchthe Megalopuney, all right, the Chao and then lost right, if Iknow my opponent is playing draff Rigg, I mean even in, you know, a stall deck or something, and then I'm going to look to benchas many attackers as I can. So there's always that strat it's a goodthought, you know. You think like okay, Draft Rigg is the bigcounter some Mewtwo, but you are like the so like a soft counter,I guess, to me too, because you can just get rid of theirattackers. But in reality, aside from maybe a stall deck that just looksto stall out your opponent, if it's a prize taking deck, I don'treally feel like Draffri even in like the mirror, doesn't feel like a cardthat would swing the matchup right at all. It also feels like too is toofew things to remove in sure, like attacking matchups, sure, andkind of like more mile matchups. You can draft like a couple times andyou know now Muto is like six attackers and the las things a little weird, but in other scenarios, you know, seems like it work out fine.I think we're about hitting that point. We're starting to kind of bounce offquestions here. So what kind of open up the floor to chat?We already have some kind of cute up that we can work our way down. If you have any questions, feel free to ask and will answer inbetween three and five additional questions about either expanded standard pokemon in general hair productsof choice. JW has really been into the hair game, least recently,that's right, growing out his man Bun. The Bun is coming. It's coming, you can you can feel it on the rison. I'm thinking anothertwo months. Yeah, I mean progressively. I feel like the like reality itselfis almost like shifting as your hair is growing. Like I feel disturbanceshere in Madison as your hair grows longer. I don't know. I mean youknow my body is producing this. You know how is it doing it? Crazy, right, growth, it's crazy. Growth is crazy. Wallacesays, is it safe to take ranger out? Seems like all the ATPhas died. I don't say that loud...

...man. Yeah, right now theybecomes back. I'll shoot. We've been a portal, the ATP portal,but Riley, I think there's a there's a couple things to that question.First of all, I guess I'll just ask question. Do you think ATPand expanded will see any play and if you do, you know why orwhy not? And then should you take out rangers? Well, ATPC play, if it does, it'll be pretty minimal. I think people are goingwith more straightforward Ultian acrosma deck and more straightforward dark decks. So where elsewould it really fit from there? I can't really picture anything. What shouldyou take out ranger? I think it depends on the deck. I thinksome decks are more compatible with rangers than others and can more easily slot itin and also more effectively use it. So natally I'm thinking of special energyreliant decks set themselves up to be locked entirely out of the game to somethinglike a noise run or a gear is Kina. If you don't play aranger and and that in those kind of decks, I don't see a reasonwhy you wouldn't play it, because you're taking a substantial risk, particularly againstthe mew two decks that are going to try and lock you out of yourspecial energy. So if you're I think it's probably safe to take out.If you're playing like a basic energy deck or something like that, now youdo open yourself up to some weird stuff if you take it out, butI think realistically it'll be fine. Sure, fire flame, zero ass. IsMouth v Max actually any good? You know, I would love tosee someone play in the Outh v Max in Dallas. That would be totallysick. How would you play it? Because you still have to is it? Is it an evolution rule where you can just evolve it on the secondturn? It's just so, yeah, it's a normal evolution. Okay,it has three hundred health. I think it's yeah, it's huge. It'sa huge real yeah, like, to be fair, not a lot ofthings can actually get there. Like the three hundred granted is week to fighting, which is probably one of the worst types you can be. I mean, what if you what if you put it in Guardian? That would bepretty funny, Dylan Promise, like what are you really doing with it?Like it does two hundred damage or whatever. That does three hundred damage. Ithink, no, it doesn't. What out crazy I think this cardis. I thought, yeah, I mean obviously, yeah, if itdoes three hundred damage's definitely play it. Man, like what, I'm gonnalook it up. I'm gonna like that doesn't I have it, Aldo,Aldo, we'll get I'm gonna look it up. I'M gonna look. Nobodybear because it all sorts of ways. I can think of the play it. If it does three hundred, all right, yeah, be Max it'stwo hundred. Damn. You imagine and you you not it three hundred damageand you did not come up with the deck to play it in. Youshould be frankly ashamed of yourself. Bro Everybody Chill, okay, for really, you thought it three und damage. Don't know, that was just thenumber that came to my brain. Okay, I clearly have already like discarded thethought have a good deck to play, because I'm like, man, justplay cocoa for the star, triple excel. Let's just go. Okay, yeah, that sounds kind of good. Yeah, I've it did the underday. That's funny. Yeah, so is it any good? Imean it's Tanky and I think that's what it really is going for it,and the attack is like the damage is a little underwhelming, but the effectof it, at least for the for energy cost, the effect of isactually pretty good. Like drawing three cars. It can't complain. I don't know. How you'd make that work? Like true? What what would reallyoffset putting a three prize or that does only two hunder damage Max with noreal actual effect? Sure, what would offset that, Captain Cronk serial says? Can Karen help swing the matchup for Guardian versus Mewtwo, or is itnot worth it? Maybe slightly, I mean Karen Silent Lab if you dothat like twice, that could get pretty tough to deal with over time.Sure, I don't think. Like if you're trying to just Karen once andhope that you just went on the spot, you're in for a bad time,I think. Yeah, the problem,...

I think, with that idea isjust that if the metube player can draw out of the first Karen andpresumably your karning early when you get your first attack, if they can drawout of that and like do take the knockout because you're not if you careand you're not going to be drawing more cards, like if you leave yourselfin a position where they, the music player, can just draw out ofit that turn, that's really not where you want to be with that deck, right, because they could just remove all your energy from the field andyou think that going for the Karen play might be the best play, butin fact it left you just with with a dead hand, or it leftyour left you vulnerable to an attack. So I don't I couldn't imagine Karenbeing the correct, like the answer. It could be. It could be. I'm not leaving it out. I would say is I wouldn't play Karento beat me too, but if you're already playing Karen because you're intending toassist your matchup versus like vespiquhen or something like that, or night march evenor night March, then you can use it against me. You too likeit's I won't like fault you if you play it and you have a followup the next turn, but I wouldn't put it in your deck with theexpress intent of going it's a new two deck. Sure, if that soundabout right, that's that's pretty good. Yeah, I like that. Whatwould you consider the dark horse of the expanded Meta? The dark horses youexpanded Meta Um at this point always feels like like archies or Pika Ran.It's kind of occupying that spot, you know, where it's like good enoughto beat a lot of things but not really on anyone's radar. which iskind of odd to say, especially if you look back a couple months ago, heading into Virginia and Portland, like Archie was so ridiculously hyped up.So and now nobody's talking about it whatsoever. Sure. So, yeah, doyou have another that comes to mind? I just think it suffers, likethe archie suffers, from just having other mewtwo decks be more consistent,or ask consistent or more consistent than it. It really just doesn't have the roomto play Geraci in it. So you're leaving your meat two's week,but Meso is your own only real attacker. It just doesn't it. In theory. Blast Urce is good because you have just multitude of attacks that youcan use. A nobody's really talking about it, so there's no real counter. There's not really a lot of item lock in the format. I dothink eggro is is not the play for Dallas, which hurts my heart.So you know, theoretically archies has some things going for it, but thenyou remember, okay, you're just sacking these mute two's as you're only attackersand any MEWTUBE base deck with the mentioned value is going to really hard punishyou. I don't see a blast. I steck ever overcoming that. Plus, you can just get run off the table by dark right, they canjust take two knockouts on your mewtwo's. Maybe you're playing it in a differentway than I'm describing it, but the way I've seen it is just metubebased blast toys, right, and that's the case that I think you havea really hard time against mew two decks and I also think it'll be veryhard for you to be things like things like turbo dark. Yeah, JasonBrings up in the chat the TEENA CHOMP Kafagergus deck. I've heard a lotof people talking about that deck. So it's it's almost like quickly rising outof dark horse status and everybody, everybody's talking about it. Yeah, Riley, why don't you explain Tina Chomp Kaffer Gurgus? As you know, it'sright. So the concept of the deck is very remniscient of the standard Teenachomp deck, except a kind of does the Roxy and the vis Maggius atthe same time. So, for those of you who are newer to thegame, there's a plasma cofager gus with the ability six feet under and youcan knock, get the cafager gus and Co Fagus is just like a mouthfulto say. Also, yeah, and you could place the three damage countersin your opponent side of the field, and so that kind of sets upteena shop perfectly to not only come from behind, and he's karate bell andcounter game like it is in standard format, but also sets up the math preemptivelyto use calamitous slash for the maximum effect. And with just a doubledragon and a tool you're able to use claim the slash from one attachment whileyou're behind. So the concept is pretty solid on paper. In practice,I think it's a little harder to actually get off as effectively as you wouldwant. Yeah, well, you're automatically like it's not in it's not likeit's in standard where you can just dusk stone right. Well now is thefirst point I was going to make, because you don't have dust stone anymore. So that is a that's a freaking...

...sucker man. That's but, like, I think there is some merits to it. Like if you're able toget your strategy off, it seems really good, right, the synergy isclearly there, but then you're also playing a green stack it expanded, andthat's kind of like a feels bad set. There's there's no point, I think, I think, to playing a green steck and expanded, unless it'slike a stall deck. I maybe could see that, but even then,like, there are just, I think, better cards. But it's the samekind of problem right that, like a lot of decks are a lotof I feel is wrong with welder in expanded where you just don't have accessto the full effects of Shaman's which is really tough. I think shame.It is just one of the best draw cards that we have access to andnot being able to play it, you know, to good effect or toany effect, I guess we're playing a green steck. Really isn't the wayto go with these decks. Now. I also want to say, though, like maybe Greens isn't necessarily the Roote, like you could also just play itmore typical kind of expanded deck. That play is just add engine.And the reason I'm saying that is I have run onto some like gear teenafocused decks, not necessarily this exact deck, on the ladder, and they theyhaven't necessarily always won, but they've always been very scary to play against. And they escalate very quickly. Like I played against a like a gearTina guardchop baths deck once and like Oh, this is just like this is thepilot craft, like I'm going to be this for sure, and likehe actually like totally freaked me out. It felt way closer than it shouldadd like being at sabaths deck. So I think there's like some amount ofmerit there. I just don't know if necessarily it's been fully unlocked yet.Right, I think that's a very good way to put it, right,like if they're I think there's a best way to play it, and Idon't think that way has been found and published, at least yet, andI have not put in enough time to find it myself and I don't knowif I necessarily will put it enough time before Dallas to figure it out.Sure, absolutely. Yeah, we're coming down of the wire. Maybe wealthough because you're and I we're talking about this deck earlier today and it feelslike we almost have to give it some time now. Well, it's likeyou know you were talking about you know you've made me next before real X. Yeah, so, oh, for sure. Yeah. Maybe. Well, that's just further evidence make maybe we just need to sit down and playthis deck hash now. Yeah, for what if we just perfected it andit was the best deck? Okay, well, what if I just playedit on my after dark stream? Yeah, just keep ironing it out until welike, yeah, perfect it and it's all out there. Yeah,yeah, I'm for it, man, I'm for okay, and that's justthat's like a that's a perfect point to transition to, I think. Wouldyou agree? I would totally agree. Yes, this is a great episode. Riley, thank you for, I don't know, just being you.Well, thank you for being you as well, JW, you Little KatyPettuiti. Thank you all right. So that'll be it for this week everyone. Thank you so much for tuning in. We will be back next week withour finalized insight. Jw Stop Weaving finalized insight into Dallas, and wewill also try and post some updates on our twitter heading into the weekend.So if you follow us on twitter, you'll get to see the most updateversions of what we're thinking going into Dallas and with that, we will catchyou all next week. Piece.

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