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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 1, Episode 14 · 1 year ago

13. The Wild West in Dallas TX

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

All right, what is up everybody welcomeback to tag team. I'm er host Riley hold rejon by my good friend fromprison, JW KR Algwhida today. Why do you say from prison? I'm doing fine,but I am not peson okay, I was, I just thought. Maybe you were in prison orsomething it kind of looks like on in first I've been this little I'm in thislittle closet, an friends in a friend's house, and they have this nice little.You know workspace yeah, we gun to be out of the way and it's very nice Bhat's yeoo dedication. We bring the tag A. I just had the one, the one light uphere, so it's just the lighting is kind of Funky when you're trying to you knowrecord video, but otherwise it's a bispace. Now you you had called meearlier d. it's a very, very nice apartment is yeah yeah. The level of dedication we bring thetag team is youare willing to call in ant at a friend's house. That's Thru Wat. You always call inwhen you're UFF, you know in California or whatever you're doing yeah. But youknow I'm in my own hotel at least fair enough arn, but nevertheless JW actually in Texasalready aren't you I know I am. I was in ton for an audition with the Houstonsymphony, and so it just kind of made sense to just combine the trips, and Istayed a couple extra days and going to be traveling over there Friday morning,How d the audition go. I thought I played pretty well didn'tend up advancing, but that's just kind of the nature of the beast so sure wellget it can happen in Pokemon to and sure enough. We do have a pokemontournament coming up in Texas this weekend. I know you're excited, I'mexcited, I'm also just excited to see everyone, and I think this is theweekend that we finally commit to getting a picture have to sell. Youknow what we should this weekend because I'll let you inon somethingunique. What's that you know what the Texas state motto is I actually don't friendship? Is that actually itactually is Huh interesting state to choose? That is the mono. To be honest,given some like historical elements of Texas but Nyou know not the whole likesecession, thing kind of ruins e the idea of friendship as their Statemento,but I digress. It makes a good storyline for us to get a paer. I knowand e I've every time you and I try and like fight for the picture, but thenboth of us forget it when it's like we're in the moment, I know the crushyeah we hold under pressure. We foll under pressure for sure, but Idefinitely want ta Gu picture. You Know Youn me all the foget people just likehaving a good old, happy time and even listeners thatd be great. Yes for sure.If you're listening and you're in Dallas, please please find us. We cantake some pictures pust on our tag, team, twitter tag, Tam, Pokemon andyeah. We just be happy to mee any of you. It was such a joy honestly atPortland when I got to meet all the people who came up to me and said theyare a fan of the show. We were happy to deliver that countent to you and we'reglad that you like it, because it's it's really just passion project for usso seeing it impacts the community positive way is. Is is really awesome absolutely so, let's just dive rightinto it. Man I feel, like we hade a lot to say about Texas, and I also don'twant to take up too much of your time away from your friends, so Dallascoming up this weekend, cosmic K, cliffs, stand or expanded. Excuse meforman, and I mean there's a lot going on. To be honest, we talked about it abunch the last couple weeks about what's going on the decks that arepossibly viable, I feel, like the Meda seems almost to be in constant fluxwith what people are thinking about certain decks. It seems like the decks,have kind of settled amongst themselves, but everyone's opinions about each deckand their matchups against each other is constantly shifting and adjustingrig ht as the DEK get like more fined. Yeah and people can say like oh well,you know I'll include this tech for this. You know this card r. This cardfor this, or something like that, you know one one deck- that we've kind ofseen fallo completely off the radar is like anything that has ADP. I thinkpeople are kind of realizing that that Doese ranslate that well to theexpanded format where you just say you know what I basically will you know.We've talked about this a lot I'll, send up a gx worth three prizes andpass and hope you don't knock it out. You known, yeah, that's Sewe. Both ofus are not fans of that sentence, ind standard, but it extanded. Thatsentence is not a good one. I don't like that right. Exactly exactlySOTHAT's, just insane and shout out to all the Tricke Gemmers Hee are comingin from Andrew Stream right now, he's paing a league challenge and shouts aShan and Shan Ligden with his one year of subscription one year, exact team,it's crazy we're! Actually. Our first episode was a post Dallas episode lastyear, Really Yeah...

Wow. Okay, so t we needed like a oneyear anniversary thing I feel like we can do that on. Like the return, though,because our first episode was like the h like the third week of of January,which were coming up, ope, theyre Godshik of January, so all rightfor- Ithink we're coming right up on there, so we'll make sure to have somecelebration festivities in there- maybe another giveaway for the fansabsolutely but yeah, crazy, crazy stuff to think about ut. Anyway, you knowthings have shifted a lot. The ATP strategyy people are talking aboutPlayne Ranger N, like every deck to cancel out the ATPGX attack, which, tobe fair, is very funny I mean imagine, saying hey. I hope you don't kill mytag, team pass and then you're goin. It's like okay, I'm going to kill thetag team and also I just undid this catack. That would be a hardbreaker yeah. Itjust feels like such a worthless, covmai hate to say it. You know somepeople really love ADP out there yeah, but yeah. It's just can't see it being avible archetype. I don't know. What's what's a deck on the rise, I think forme, I've been hearing. People talk a little bit more about ZORARC. That youknow not that it was ever not that it was ever really talked about, but justhearing you know some people say you know: Zargarb is just good. Maybesomething like Zora muck would be good. That's kind of a deck I feel is on therise outside of kind of the, I would say, five or six like very standardarchetypes, that a lot of people predict, I think, just Zoric dex ingeneral are being a little bit more respected. Recently in the circles thatI mean yeah, I've definitely seen the Zarrk come on the up. You know when wefirst initially do into expanda. We talked about zorgarb being like aconsistent factor in the EXPANDOF Medagame, but always kind of like Iguess, a mediocre one, not that it would not win a tournament levelmediocre, but it just like takes very close matchups against the field. Itnever feels like it's really a dominant deck in any matchup, at least for me, but certainly I think a lot of peoplehave started shifting towards the deck. I was watching a zols expandedcupstream there, resoric everywhere ork was doing re, really welling cups inthe Texas area. So it's kind of interesting to see how it's come upsince people. At the start, people were just trying dark, Reye people, R,trying youtube people trying eggs and Olcrana Crosswian. That was like theonly decks, you'd see and sowly Butd, surely like Zorak, has crept its wayback into the Mata game, never wante to be there wane to be out of it. I supposeabsolutely, and I think that does like the main decks, I would say, havereally risen. I mean Gardiwar has been pretty well hyped but is like consistently seen like. Iguess more play than I would expect. A deck like guard of Arta typically have just like that. Slower strategy isn'tone that I always envision being the most popular one and expanded, butcertainly it's it's shown up in swaths yeah, absolutely trying to think of anything that is comparable to but yeah we just again, we've talkedabout this. A lot of other concent creators have talked about. You knowmaybe why guard of war seems like a popular choice and we've seen a lot incups and just being able to pourt over your standard. Deck is like definitelynot something to to you know mess around with. I think alot of new players they're getting into standard, and then they say: okay, Heyhere's! This really easy to go to regional in Dallas, Iwould say pretty cheap and very kind of centralized, which is always very nice,and so I'm just going to bring my guardooar deck, which does amazingstandard going to add a couple cards and Justford it over yeah. I mean aTridnto strategy for sure I mean we've seen ever since expanded was inventedthere, as in the concept of taking er standard deck and putting some cards init and fringing it to expand, and that's historically actually donepretty well. Like sure I mean you think, back to even just Dallas a couple yearsago, and Jim hone played the the buzzle Bu Wol, which was almostinidentical to standerd buzzle, but he got night places bumbling on resistance,yeah, braci faith that would rase. That would have been crazy, yeah Iwas likeit was he thing is like aace pack and two colrists. Was It yeah R Kno you had like? Did He? I don'teven think he had vs seeker, no therew's, no BSA, there's an Aseck, sothere's like Copsearch, I believe and weand to Coras. I think that was theentire expanded entity of that day. Right and it's just it's just funny,because surely you know that, like somebody's gone to Goinna, go on oftere with with nowgard or like Pikarom is another deck. That kind of you knowyou have Max lixers and things, but like the General Corpe is all stillavailable and standard. Certainly someone Wi will do prettywell with with a deck that they just kind of had already for sure for sure, but Le Let's Tavinto some of our favorite decks. I feel...

...like we have a lot to say about thedeck that we like a lot and I think the deck that is consistently been aninteresting talking point has been Mutu and mew. We are actually talking prettyextensively before we, the podcast and we're like we're kind of wasting ourvoices here. We should maybe bring this to the show, but we were talking aboutwhat place me to has in the metagame how it fares against other metadics,and I know that you love this tag. I mean it is your: is your brainchildfron the Getgo, something that you huve to go to a lot of hours into it'ssomething I like is just a tool box kind of deck, but struggle sometimes tobring myself to want to bring that to a tournament. So the one matchup that I think reallyscares me a lot and you Hav some different opinions on this is turbodark and, to me, that's pretty problematic right, because if you losethe TURMO dark, you probably shouldn't bring your deck to the Talis, RasionalChampionship right, sure, sure so, j. We won't. You go into your experiencesin that matchup. What that matchup looks like it means to you and how youwould approach it yeah. I would say overall, though, just with me to as adeck like, if you love it, I think you or like ifyou enjoy the deck, I think you really really just love the deck and, ifyou're kind of mediocre on the deck you know there are definitely certain timeswhere I've taken a deck, that I've been luke warm onto a tournament. I don'tthink anyone, that's luke warm on me to is going to take itto a tournament. Ithink it's just going to be the die harts that are going to bring intoDallas people that love to play the deck Argunia ones blaymg you to, but I I think in terms of the dark match ofwe, like you, said, have very different opinions on how it goes and I'll behonest. I haven't played against the best dark players, but I've playedagainst what I consider to be the average above average regional playerin dark, and the matchup has always kind of gone for me, where theyoverbench their gxs and you're, able to really punish them with the liks ofMegalo Ponty, I' You're able to really punish them with the store if theyaren't able to get a turn one attack. So if you go second and you candistorb them and they don't get the necessary energy on the Rah Pokemon toget a one shot on your Mut Tu, and then you usually stand a very good chance,because you have now two ways to one shot. If they swing into you, you can return the knockout with like a lukario.You can obviously we're talking about the Megalo Ponty, so I've always foundthat the matchup isn't horrible. For me to there are other things you can playto kind of help: The matchup aside for Megalo Punty and I'm thinkingspecifically about cobalion, which wil prevent the poisoning or the deat endeffect from dark ride. And so you know, if you do decide to playcoballion, I think that's another card that that reallyshifts, the ATCHOF. Youare saying that there are ways that dark can reduce the amount of Gxas. Obviouslythey don't have to play all their gxs down at the beginning. From myperspective, it's very hard for Tubrudark to get going without playing.You know like a dedene or Ashamen, or sometimes both or sometimes all threeto get that energy ramped up in the in the early game, but you're saying youknow, maybe the route to go is just to get one dark ride, Gx, try not to benchmuch of anything else and then just get a hit off and kind of go from work.Your way out from there just being a little bit more methodical with yourpace of play, I haven't played against any Darka play that has done that. So so, if there's a new strategy to playagainst me to that, I'm missing. I haven't really heard it discussedoutside of what you have said, and so I would be curious to know how that kindof plays out but fror. My experience, the turbodark just needs a shaman or adDene and then obviously they're going to play their gxs or exis that justbasically need to be down. I'm thinking we vile, I'm thinking, dark ri ex I'mthinking dark, I gx and then at that point you have enough. You know viable prizes on the Board towin the game. Another thing that I've seen to is in the late game: if you'reable to distortion door onto Shamans, you can, you know, take four prizes in the endgame right. If you can get six damage counters on to Shamand, then you can goahead and do a Meriwak play. That's obviously like a little bit farbatgedit we're thinking about the Terma dark being able to overbench like and thenand then feel blowor their skyfield or something like that. Or are you counterthe Skyfield, with your Owndomensiona valley and they're, able to discardpokamin with damage on it? Again, I just in my games that ithasn't really played out that way, and so you know maybe that's a match upthat F. If I do end up taking MEU, to which I'm pretty confident with, if Ido end up taking you to Tha Alis that'll, be something I want to hashout yeah, and I my counterpoint of that is, there's a couple different ways:The matchit can progress and it in my it feels like if Muti doesn't get theright, pogressn exact, right progression, it's in a really bad spot.So...

...one example is the slower approach thatyou alluded to right, where dark ree can rely on just a weeve ISL and a gxor two and swing for a couple damage here and there and the problem withYouto is for only one energy attachment. It really struggles to put the rightamount of damage on the board right so like Guardowar, doesn't really doenough. Damage to dark ride. Gx distort is a good attack, but it only thoesthirty damage against the dark type, which frankly, is pathetic in thematchup, and you know, Megalo Hony can do it for aDC, but most liss are only playing one and especially to use it on a tubprizor instead of a three prizor feels like a waste right, so dark e gx startsputting pressure early and there's no three frijes on the board. All ofsudden you're put in this weird scenario right where you're gettingdamage placed on you, there's always the threat of dead end.If you don't have a cobalion down- and it's like this weird trade thatit's pretty hard to win, because you can't just distort in the face of adark gride jx winging for hunred AD thirty. That is like a really bad idea. T thirty, the thirty damage on to aTupriser it exchanged for une thirty damage on a three FRISOR. The mathfeels wrong the math fels Rong to me, solike yeah, so that's we and sosomeone ohgo ahead. I was going to say so like the followup is. You mightdistort like the first turn that happens and then the second turn you'llhave to either Calamitos la or you'll have to you know, guard of Aurattack, Para or you'll haveto mega lop on it. So I mean you could like damage change if you play that,but very fouless are so. It just puts you in this weird spotright where, like you, have to use a nonlock attack to actually killsomething, so you kill the two riser with a nonlock attack at opens. Theflood gate dark can now take full advantage of the time that you've givenit and that Cam that has been able to accumulate, while even doing thisawkward trade and flood the board with Energy Kao, and so now you' Takin yourprizes, they takeen three. What happens next, you make a lot of Poney. If youhave access to it, still you knock something out, and then they just killyou again and right Mo Thatt with that end, presumably because Yo had is a notwith dead end, Lord or Jus Tarkry or dark ride, thes Sarkin, O Orcomanitian,and so it's like it just puts you this weird situation, where it's like hardto continually trade in the way that favors you as opposedto dark and even stuff like like a Sudoudo, can get really annoying ifthey get it down at the right time, and you did allude to already you canthey can overbanch with Skyfield and B put exactly the Pokemon they want andbefore we avi was a thing that was like a rougher thing to do, but now whatthey can do is they can very deliberately move their energy off ofthings that they know they're going to get rid of and right. You know pairtheir bench down to exactly the right, Pokemon, so it' us. It feels rough tome and then there's always the chance as well. That dark just like go, secondgets the KAO and the get Okao the next, yearn or Sir or something of S. that'sthing I think, though, to- and this is kind of what I've been saying just aslong as I played dark is that people seem to be cutting out the consistencycards like trainers, mail like a rangaroo, they seem to be dropping downon their. You know, just consistency, pokemon yeah I'd be looking for ways toincrease those counts, not decrease those CCOUNTS. You know, they're,taking out draw supporters they're, taking out just a lot of thesethings that make the deck more consistent in favor of finding littletext better. You know better attackers, but maybe just weakening the overallconsistency engine of the deck, and I would say that in the matchups thatI've won against Hurbodark, because I'm not saying it's a blow out, I do thinkit's close. For my perspective, it is favored for me to but that to say thatan n in that Midgame, when they're drawing three cards is pretty, has beenwhen I've won pretty volatile for the dark ride player where, if they aren'table to flood their board- and I get to take a follow up Ko on something withenergy, then I can usually just get up and kind of get over the hub and win thegame. So Itas. Does you know that midgame end when they've just takentheir first three prizes can really just swing the matchup because theydon't end up having anything, because all these lists are cutting all thisconsistency right, and I guess that I well, I just kind of think that's amistake like there's a lot of things that can bog a darkliss down and a lotof it feels unnecessary at this point in the game like yeah, even the furybelts, they were good for a certain metagame. I don't know if they're thatgood anymore, even like I'd rather just have a consistent deck. I mean if youcan fit them, that's fine, but like...

...realistically, the Dark Deck isoperating at its best when it's simple, straightforward, Gess, the attacks offI gets down either can play to its outh perfectly or can get all the way downlike seven cards in Dectorn, one and just you know, to energy on board andswinging for ridiculously high numbers of damage that are just unbeatable. Atthat point, yeah the- and I guess I hate to just becontreriot, because I know sometimes that I can' just be a cantrarian but,like I just don't think the matchup is good for you to. I. I think it'sactually pretty favored for dark and that's I think Youto is one of the onlydecks that I would say could still be viable, not having a good dark matchup,because it has a lot of other good matchups and mutes really oppressive aswell agens, some other decks that could counter dark so stuff like Lucario,were I'm stuf were like shots. L, that's F. I think the other thing too,that we have also talked about on the podcast is who is going to choose dark,because I do think it is very strong. A lot of people think it's very strong,but if all the people that think it's strong think it's going to see as muchplay as it will, then I think the better players tend to not play thedeck that is so strong. Yet so linear. You know you see people gravitatetoward me to in standard, because, while it was very strong, it had allthese different attacks that made it not so line or dark is extremely linear,and that is why I think a lot of the best players will not play it. Just in the sense that you know that that it's kind of a onetrack mind you know it's very like turbo focused and then, if you don'tget that Purbo, you can be kind of countered by a few different things,and so I just feel like if given a choice with all these cards, I think,like the top of the top, maybe isn't going to choose dark ry just because ofits linearity, and so, if that's the case, you know wwe're talking about askill level to WHO's going to play. Torbodark. You know I'm very confident in beatingot S, somebody, that's not you or somebody. That's not you know andew orsomebody. That's not you know Jimmy or as Oll. You know, I'm very confident,eher somebody. That's not! You know one of the best players in the game whenthey're playing, Turi Arto sure. I guess I do kind of agree that darkmight not be the top choice amongst the best players, but I don't thinklinearity is necessarily the problem there, like. I think a linear deck isperfectly fine to take to a tournament as if it's sure powerful enough anddark is actually, I think, garsons actually breaching that power level. Ithink the problem is that there's all these like random things, that peopleare doing specifically to be dark. Like sure we've seen multiple lucario dextopping lea cups, and it's just like like come on man like the CarrioLikwell. You know that's the kind of thing I'mtalking about. You know, like you know, you don't want to put your turn on and,like you know, I guess it comes down to prediction at that point, but you hateto put your tournament on the line. In that way, I guess yeah. I guess we, Iguess what you're saying is kind of true they are too is like turbodark. Iwould think that it's just so strong that I would expect like you. I don'tknow. I just feel like the best players are always like that one step ahead ofthe Meta so like if turbo dark is strong and everyone thinks thatTurbenarg is the deck, then they're going to play the counterdeck. You knowworth talking fight, guys or Gardy. I would say I s pseudo counter to to darkin some ways, but then, but then there's always thatnext level you know right and so so termmadarc is a good choice. This isnot me saying like if you're going to choose TORREDARC like don't choose it,I'm like it. I very good we're both agreeing it's a very, very strong deck,maybe the formad defining, probably the formant o finding deck and so like if you're on at I, you puntyour hours into Turmi. A just you know, don't be like scared off by what we'resaying, but I just do feel like it's not going to be what the best players take right and you know there's there'slevels of medigating that go into that as far as like the Lighers of what DeckBeats, what other decks and we can spend in circles all day exactly forsure because cuand I could say this and I could say this and everyone gooldpick tark. You know I could say this and then Riley hands me the dark clissthe night before- and I say I e so filthy yeah becaus its good, I'm not trying to sayt ATA, like I really want like. If I could, if I felt in my heart that Icould play dark, I would love to play dark because it's just so fast, it'sfun. So it's ponn right! You just get the blow stuff up like it's cool, it'sgreat that sure. But you know so Forsur I feel lban. I feel yeah yeah, it'sit's always tough to like figure out the the the winning formula there Oit's a little bit o the numbers game in some ways, trm sure some other likeinteresting decks. That kind of...

...you know emerged that counter dark. Youknow I've actually seen like a random like sect of people that, like love,these weird stall type decks and there's two kind of decks. I'm thinkingof there's Shocklock, which is oh, my gosh, like you, hate to see that. Butthe problem of Shocklock, I think is it loses really bad to Youtub and Zor garb,but it beas like everything else that doesn't play hard, switchouts yeah,which is Pretty Yeah S. funny interesting, I don't it's pretty crazy to say the least, and then we have these other kind ofstar Archetiseav stuff, like Reggie rock injaboy kind of stuff, which I kind of think is a littlecrappy but like if it was built, like maybe exactlyperfectly there's. I think there's like merit to the idea like the conceptbehind it. So you know- and it's crazy because,like you hate to factor stuff like that into your regionals around as well like a Zarcdec that I'm considering,has a pretty bad matchup to some of these stall decks. Butt's, like youknow, if I feel good with this match this match of Peessit this matchup andI'm really going to be scared off by the the five people in the room thatplay shocklog. I just know that every time I've been doing a Spanirregional,I've always been like right next to the guy flike sho cub yeah, you just kind of like follow thethe whole turnbet. I hope I don't play that an yeah they always you know theyalways have some like crazy, triple sleeve deck and they have like you knowthese Max OIT's c Tsay, the beaches. You know stafftoptat least top thirty,two yeah we'Renot playng with amateur Te, yer right, it's pretty crazy andlike I've. Actually I don't think I've hit a shock. I have inalace when I want.I hit a shoklock and beat them because eare so ridiculous, but I haven't het one since then, but I'vealways been around them. They're, always lurking in the shadow, alwayslarking. In the background. That's right, you know, but it's crazy because,like there's always like four five shot, tock players, you know, but they alwaysare up there too they're, always in contention. I feel like right. So youknow, I think, like more. Traditional celdexstypically will falter a little bit because their stratties are prettyfragile. Where Shock Bock is just such an autowin strategy. If you get it up, ready right, actually ridiculous, I don't know, have you seen any likeother kind of rogush strategies emerge in the past week, or so? Yes, regrettably, cafer grigis tinacham Yeah Dude Yeah. Actually I was testing lastnight with Michael Zeeli and I was playing a ZARARCDAC. He was playing thecocker cockee Gus teck and it was like by far the hardest mat. I pine of thenight us like Jus, played all these crappy cars and I'm like what the ECKman the suck. Well Hey. I mean you know whatsomebody's going to play it because iy think it's busted, I! I am not one of those people that Ido not believe that that deck is that that ussed again, I'm looking kind ofI'm Lookin, I'm looking at it through this lens of MOU to where you just you know, body theirCafa Grigus. You know babies or whatever unturnd one, and then theyjust don't do anything yeah. You know the yamask. Yes, you know I'm a little bit biased. AgainI put the most time into mun to very confident and like it's just like thatbad match up there. I could see it being very difficult right. I could seeto having a very good matchup with. I guess. Dark would be a good match upanything that can't really have that good of access to the bench rightbecause they want to like try to get some damage on the board, so they canset up. You know R theyre, big callamitou ashesfor one shots on. You Know Presumabley tag teams I doesn't seem like there ere,it doesn't seem like I'd, have a good ultranacrossmo matchup. Now altermateCROSMM is a deat that I also played the noyvo right. They also play the NOIVERN, butI've I've lost to that deck, even while playing the noivern and beingsuccessful with getting the noiver now. So is that? Well, I'm just saying that there's anottime there's enough time in that early game right because you have to but theone turn. Well, you have that natch twice, there's enough time in the earlygame, for them to set up to detach once ohoh yea have the double dragon. YeahYeah, I understand, but you have to wait a turn to a ball ecause. I guesswhat I'm saying yeah, but so like onmy go behind on prizes when you evolveright Whati, so they could. They have those. What I'm trying to say is e onetIl to attackers and if they can build up two attackers and like and is sopowerful that if they just end you into...

...a hand and they can rip off your doubledrag. andthen can just get up a ahead of you. Andrig win the game from thereyeah. I guess the list I've seen have they play an enhanced hammer as well solike, even if you get a head on the noivern, they just enhanced it and thenKao the other one right. That's already been attacking so yeah like I mean Saitthat I've also seen ranger in these ulternate crosma decks. Not Achin.CROSMI is a deck that doesn't feel like the right choice for this tournament.To me, it feels like a deck that it will I'll just say this. It doesn'tfeel like a deck, that's going to win and it feels like a deck that isn'tlike. There are some decks that I feel like Gardi or, for instance, is a deckthat I think almost anyone can take and do and win five games with. I don'tfeel that way about Alterin ACROSMA, right, ulteran, confen Tis has somevery like laring weaknesses. It has some strengths absolutely, but it'skind of a little bit just very frauguleous, we've already talked aboutin the podcast and things don't always set up the wayyou want them to even with Goosmahalla. But that's a bad cart and a lot ofpeople have talked about why it's not maybe the best card in that deck, andso it's Gno know ththathat just doesn'tfeel like a deck that that is going to win the tournament. It doesn't reallyfeel like doesn't feel like a good deck yeah. Idon't now MKE Thingif you're trying to win. I think it's a okay deck likeagainst Turbo Dark. I think the matchups pretty close like being ableto the knocking off the energy and doing hundred and seventy is a lotTani've liked. Having a couple counter. Attackers like counter energy and likeSudo, buzzle stuff, like that, just a couple of them, you know I's alittle little bit of small spice, an lit e son, something but like I, I don't think it's terrible. Actually,I think yea. I think the problem it has is matchups that can shrug off theattack and then heal it. So right, like zaracdecs, can pretty easily tank a hitand Asorola and guard of Aur decks, especially theycan move the energy back and then Tanka hit VAX potion or Acarola or Azy. Allof which they play right and that feels bad I mean that doesn'tfeel good. That's for sure. So it's a, I think, that's the real problem withit. I you know, I actually think thet potential is there for something goodto happen, but it has those rough matchups and, like the really the I don't know,if there's like a great way to fix all that, like the counter attackers aregood and I think they help in a lot of those matchups. But you know it's: It'snever a guarantee ou right and it's there's a lot going on in that deck.There's a lot th needs to happen. Every turn. It's easy to WHIFP, a turn ofattacking, even with lis consistent builds, which is also part of biolite Cenenergy,because you at least have those extra two or three energy outs, and just we do like special energy hate,which you know all the Musidt explained oiver and the Guaritina deck plays anNoibern, and even if you play ranger, you hateto have to play ranger right right. You know as a supportive retur right, soyou know there's a lot. There's a lot that goes into it, but I don't thinkit's terrible. I don't think it's actually terrible. I think some peopledo think it's like awful, I'm definitely not in that pool yeah.We have a few things from the Chad just we can go over them really quickly. vesmequeen. How do you feel aboutvestfor? Queen I mean I just have never liked bestbequin, so probably not the best person to ask, but I don't think it's reallygotten any better. Like some people are trying roxy kind of stuff which is cutebut, like I don't think, that's going, has reallygoten anything that like pushes it further than it's already been besidescontrol, deks kind of going down in popularity sure- and I think that's crins- alsohurt because stuff like dark now is guslord to offset the price street moutub Lossso and several guys and thennoyvering you it's just rough. I don't know yeah. I agree how about let's see Lukaria, we have one personasking about Lacario as Licario Adeck that you would ever take or ever maybenot because I kind of know your answer that you wouldn't take a tournament,but is it ever something that you would suggest someone that they take yeap to Dallas Yeah? I mean I don't think Lakario islike objectively horrible like awful deck. Don't ever play it at atournament. It's just it. It's matchups are you know very lineated in the theweakness frinted in the bottom left of...

...your part and if you're not against one of thosematchups, it can be kind of rough like Guardof ar can reallazily shrug offyour heads and you get like one turn where you getthe Gx them, which is nice for sure, but still not fantastic. The the focusash strategy seems better on paper than it is in practice. I think like dark can get around it pretty easilywith a feel blower and then is hyperen toxic laser. So you have like multiplewaysts to get through it. It's just like there's a lot. They can go wrong. Hav being said, you still have a prettygood match up against start eving, though dark does have the outs to likedeal with the sash at least you're. Pretty good matchup against sorark forthe most part yeah and like the deck is anything fairlyconsistent like you have Brooklyt Hill and artillery going for you, which, I think,there's a lot to be said just for being a consistent deck as well. So if your Imean, if it's, if you expect to hit like six dark decks in a day, includingZORC alongside dark box, and it's probably not terrible, but right is ist,not that I would play sure I don't cofihe that guys deck anyway, yeah well,Weyou know how we, how we feel about fit guys, Youron Tang for sure o cool all right. What else? What elseshoull we BE ASKING IN TERMS OF DALLAS PREMP? You know what are what are someof the other things that we maybe haven't talked about? I guess one good question that I wouldhave for you. Riley is you're looking to go to Douis. Give methe three decks or maybe there's less but give me like around three or maybethere's more, give me three decks that you feel confident will get you points in Dallas. Give me three decks that youwould be confident should make day to like for you if you were piloting them right now. I really I do like dark alot. It's finally, not my number one choice, but it's in my top three. Ireally do like Zoric a lot and that's changed quite a bit over the past week and then for number three, I'm packingguard of our stuff. I don't know if it would be my objective number three, butit's a pretty good day. So what about Youjw Mu to's? Obviouslyyour number one right now you got your you held a gum point. You have twoother decks that you have to pick. What are they? I think Gardy is very silidchoice for me and Oh man, I can't I can't recommend agro yeah. No,I cannot recommend that Gir. That seems like a bad choice this weekend.Personally. For me, I can't recommend Zorg, but I can never like count it out,because surely there's some way that somebody's going to play, Zarag thatyou know does well be it is orgarbeits Ora mack, be it Zoricwith like counter stuff, I mean there's some way that somebody will make thearkwork. It's for me right now. I just haven't put the time in Wazork, it'skind of been the forgotten deck for me in terms with this expanded Mata game,like I just really haven't put any time to that my firt choice. My third choiceright now would honestly be Pekrom. I think that deck slaps and ATSA e lapsyeah as yove almost doesn't feel rightcoming out of your mouth. What are you talk about? Got Mybackwards. Hon, I don't know man it's kind of like when, like when Dankassays vibe, it just doesn't sound right right. Well, I said it okay. I can't take itback, it's too late for sure. I think he crobs a good choice for sure I, the prome I with Pigram, is likethere's so many moving parts in it and like not in a way that I really like,but once it gets going, it's like insane, yeah, sure sure, Tommy boy saying he got destroyed atfolkip with Pica Dark Anvi to body me o hate to see it. youthings you hate tosee are definitely it for sure. So those are your top threedecks. What is a deck that you will definitely not bring under anycircumstance this tournament unless something like drastically changees inthe next couple, Dayo something rassically changes you hit egram already so yea egg row, Iwoul say e grow fight, guys and any dragon deck any thing like ulternae, crosmy ADP. You do not likeDouble Dragon Energy. Now man, I mean I'd love to be proven wrongon this one, because you know it seems like such a nicemechanic seems very wholesomesome, but...

I just I worry that the deck kind ofgets bogged down and doesn't have it just seems like it has deceivingmatchups S. I would just be worried. Deceiving Matchof, that's it that's oneway to put it for sure. I think if you askd me the number one deck at anyexpanded tournament that I would never play- and this maybe is a copack,because people aren't really playing it a much anymore, but our Jesus, like sofar off my radar, that I feel like it's unfair to even sad yeah beyond that yeah, you know, like anything really involving fight.Fighting Pokman is never going to be a consderation, something about fighting Fokemon and melike besides licen rock and Zartecs, just like don't get along like we don'twe don't have a good relationship whatsoever like if I play buzzle, I'mmissing all for those lixers. I not getting a Brooklyn out ever right.Right, Sotonin is probably playing a psychic pokemon somewhere in ther rih,O the great one t over and over like every time I played a buzzle deck at atournament. It went horribly I face like the most ridiculous,obscure matchups in the world like do you remember that Buzz Garp Order,Paddeck? Yes, I played that in a challenge atorigins once and I hit like fricking psychic vese box around oneer tourslast, I as like. Really this is pop this Bo just actually mpossible like Ican't do thing, at's so absurd. SO THAT'S WHYT! That'show I feel about fight guys. You know I wast going to face something ridiculousthat doesn't even make sense to bring to this turtimen yeah yeah, but no I'm excited because I've beenI've been hearing just so many different, like thoughts on everysingle deck, and I think it's good for us to have these very strong takesabout decks and I'm just more than happy to be proven wrong. I think I'vestayed relatively consistent with where I've placed my decks. You know I'm nottrying to. I don't know like dupe anyone with withkind of what I've the information that I'vebeen showing and like DEK, that I've been streaming and things like this oror dexk that I'm been hyping or not hyping. I think I generally remainedpretty consistent and you know I'm, but I am ready to beproven wrong. I'm excited to see where Dallas goes with the format and I'mexcited to see what new, Tex and Pokemon that people concoct at bring tobring to dout yeah for sure, and I can personally attest that we've been verycandid with our feelings about this format. For better for worse, we mightbe completely wrong, but we're definitely being honestso so yeah I mean so a the Carrio wins thetournament we were not. We were genuinely not expecting that right,rightright, exactly exactly and like. I honestly believe to you know the expanded formats. You know-and I can say this like with the proof positive of Richmond- that if you putyour time in even if it's not necessarily on the deck that you end upplaying like, if you know the format well enough, then you can make thoseinformed as deck decisions. You know the day or two before the night beforeeven you know the day of sometimes which is always scary, but you knowyou'll have a good tournament, but it's just about putting in those hours andkind of understanding. What's happening and you'll do well, no matter what deckyou well, I can't guarantee, but like the idea of Hebeing tat, Te CuteConcept, the coucen right, like you, can't guarantee like objective success,but you can guarantee like success and theory right cool honestly, I thinkwe've given a lot of like a lot of our insight, we've kind of exhausted ourreservoirs at this point. So I really like to open up the floor to any sortof questions that chat. Has I see a couple that we could get to right now,we'll try and answer like three to five additional questions. We did answersome earlier in the podcast and then we'll wrap it up and we'll see you allin Dallas, so right off Reppr I see Joh flyman asking how bad would it be tobring a deck that is not so good against dark, but just completely blows.Guardin, Moutu and antidark decks out of the water so kind of like you, don'ttake a good match, p against the best teck, but you beat basically everythingelse, at least in the top Tier Meta. What do you think of that kind ofapproach to a tournament JW? I think that's, okay. I worry that, like I'm trying to think of a deck thatdoes that, like that, just sucks on dark and beats everything else, butwhat I would say to that is like you're. Probably not you know if you don't loseto or if you don't be dark, you're, probably not beating some other verysignificant matchups as well like there has to be some I'm just not thinking ofanything that Hasn' I got docka Ron would have a similar matchup as likethings that luce dark could probably...

...also similarly lose to Bekron right right. So I mean I again if you put your time inroll the dice, you know, because if you do think that it has that good of amatchup against Gard for Meu to fight guys, you know altarm Acrosma, you know ifyou think it beats every other like tier three, two deck and above then Iwould honestly suggest that you play it. I think again with a theory that darkis going to be the best deck but maybe not played by the best players. Theidea there would be that you know if dark is just the most populated deck inthe room, but isn't piloted by the best players, then kind of its itsrepresentation will fall off the later on in the tournament that you goraainthat's just what I think about Turbra dark again, it's not like avalue judgment on you if you decide to play turbo dark, but just to say that Ido think itill be the overwhelming pickd by you know that and Guardi kind of thosetwo decks stand out to me as like the decks that I just expect. You know kindof that, just that average player to play-and so you know the the representation of thatdeck will go down. Ideally the later on tournament that you get and then soyour deck will have more chance to shine the longer. You can maintain agood record right and I've definitely taken the the theoretical approachbefore of like. I don't take a good natchup against the very best deck. Agreat example of this is: I played Zoric like an rocket quite a fewtournaments in the two thousand and seventeen eighteen season when it tooka bad matchup against puzzle Liken Ra right, but it was very good against therest of the field and I made quite a few day tues with Zoric, Lik andRacdeck, so certainly that logic can be applied.I've kind of pump the breaks on that kind of logic in my own tournamentsmore recently, because, typically I find that if you have a bad matshupagainst the essential deck in the format, it's hard to actually win thetournament, but I think it's a Vou trategy,especially if you're looking for points as opposed to like fineal placement.That's a really good trategy, yeah, Goo, point cool, so Pepsi Fan Thirteen ask what doyou think about Ladiogx in Youthreedax? I guess this question would be to me. Imean Rylyr you're more than welcome to chime in here, but I was thinking about laudios. I testeda few games on audios, but I don't think that it makes sense, because the only matchup that it really seemslike it would help would be Meu three like the mirror, but then even then itmight not help because, like you, three actually, you know just has like the guauritinas right that they can getpowered up to theoretically. Go through that. But if you're thinking aboutlaudios Gx for TURMODARC, then turbenord still plays, I think at leastone vew I've seen in a lot of liss. So I don't. I don't love the Lattisgx, I'mjust trying to think of a matchup that it would that it would shine in you know. Ican't really think of that. Is there any matchup where, like the GX attack,could be really good, not one, not one that I can think of.Not that comes to mind immediately either. So I guess we're saying we'renot huge fans of it yeah. I mean it's justit's hard right, because when allof the major decks that that I can think of you know can like attack witha nontag team. I just don't feel like laudiost. Is as constricting inexpanded as it is in standard for sure, so so! Well, O, I guess yeah siler silverpocket non one. One here guardion would be the kind of counter to that. So Iguess laudios for for Gardian, but I mean I don't think that matchup islike the matchip was already winnable without the audio. So I don't know theadding ladios like because it doesn't when you're looking at a muthree deck,you don't want to add too many texts that are just matchup specific for onesingle matchup with that kind of toollock style. Every single cardchoice is very, very important. So when I'm looking to construct my mew to deckand trying to figure out what I should play as my last few cards, I'm lookingat what makes the most impact in the most matchops so something like laudios.If you're saying well, I just want it to counter guardion. I think there areother cards that are just like could do that, maybea little bit better or just increasing the the consistency of your decks thatyou can get out from under the Lake Game. Syle lab just seem like bettercards to play all right, so we'll take the next twoquestions and then we'll wrap up here for today. So just a doorman ass. Iknow this has nothing to do with Alis, which is perfectly fine. But what areyour thoughts on the next set? I think...

...there's a lot of really interestingstuff that comes out of the next set. We've been talking a fair amount andour group chats recently about what the next set might look like. You know wetalk pretty closely with Andre Mahone and he is getting really ready formaking videos on tricky gym for the next set or makg streams. So I thinkthere's a lot of cool stufp. I think metal is looking incredibly strong with the news, Acian kind of offsetsall the negative downsides of going. First with this ridiculous ability,yeah and like combining that with ATP andfrying cans and stuff could be pretty crazy, and then you have like Mor Picoto hit and run with dolls. I think there's some really cool stuff to comenext set. I haven't put a lot or any rather testing time into it, so I can'tgive like a you know, comprehensive opinion, but I think there's a lot ofcool fun stuff and I'm excited to explore that couldn't agree more yeah. I think theeverything that you hit on is stuff that I'm you know not surprisingly,thinking is good. I'm interested to see how what's the what's, the SNAMevolution with the water frostmoth frostmoth, I'm excited to see how thatkind of fits, and I do love myself a good rain dance. So for sure yeah Imean it should be fun. I think it'll shake the the format, a lot really nurves a lot of the cards incurrent standard and just like it'll, be some fresh air that I know that youhave been excited for and that I've been ben waiting cor for a while. So then, the last question for theStream today and it's from Nincha at dusk one and what are your thoughts oncurrent standards? So maybe, if we had a leak up or something this weekend,one of the top choices that you would consider. I of you. I would say: Guardion, I think ROCS andchop is also a solid choice and then I would probably go with birds for mythird yeah, I got to say I'm kind of sick of playing birds, I'm kind of sickof being spewed by my frizes. It's happened to me or too many games in arow. That being said, I think my favoritedecks in this standard format in order our guardion youtube and Raxy chat. I think those are all incredibly strong,have really good options available to them and could easily spike anytournament. So if you're going to leak cup, I wouldrecommend those as far as like general opinions in cord standard. I think it'sactually a lot better than people gave at credit for it. Just I think it wonce stale in people'sminds faster than expected, because West had so many tournaments,so quickly sure cooltur. So I think we've reachedthe end of the line here, we're so excited to play in Dallas, and we hope,if you were in Dallas, that you could say hello or at least that you findsuccess in your own tournament. Be It you improved or you had a goodrun or you just had a good time. You know, there's all sorts of ways thatyou can define success at these things, make sure you also check out full grip,they'll, be it Dallas vending. You can see Andre Mahon there and the foregrip booth will haveawesome prices we'll be buying your bulk and your gxes and all that kind ofgreat stuff. So we sure check them out and I'll s check out their obsitefoller Gamescom folget codes just went live with the sort o shield expansion.So if you're looking a soup up your tcgo account now is the time to buy.You can get those coes delivered before the set drafts, which will be pretty awesome, got to say who doesn'tlove watching that count down timer tick and then opening the pack as soonas it drops up. That is realling. That's a feeling right. There so besure to check out all that awesome stuff. We Love in sport full Grup, justlike they love and sport. US here tag team and we hope that you all show thatsame support to them and that'll, be it for this week. So again, we'll see youall in Dallas- and I hope everyone has an awesome week bace. So you guys.

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