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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 1, Episode 14 · 2 years ago

13. The Wild West in Dallas TX

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

All right, what is up everybody? Welcome back to tag team. I'm your host, Riley Holbri, joined by my good friend from prison, JW crew. All, Jwhi did today? Why do you say from prison? I'm doing fine, but I am not in prison. Okay, I was. I just thought maybe you were in prison or something. I kind of looks like I'm in prison. I'm in this little I'm in this little closet and a friends in a friend's house and they have this nice little, you know, workspace here. We can be out of the way and it's very nice. But that's, yeah, level of dedication we bring the tag I just have the one the one light up here, so it's just the lighting is kind of Funky when you're trying to, you know, record video, but otherwise it's a space. Now you you had called me earlier. It's a very, very nice apartment. Is Yeah, yeah, the level of dedication we bring to tag team is you're willing to call in when out a friend's house. That's true, for you always fall in when you're off, you know in California or whatever you're doing. Yeah, but you know, I'm in my own hotel. At least fair enough. Fair enough, but nevertheless, GW actually a Texas already, aren't you? I know I am. I was in town for an audition with the Houston symphony and so it just kind of made sense to just combine the trips and I stayed a couple extra days and going to be traveling over there Friday morning. How the audition go? I thought I played pretty well. Didn't end up advancing, but that's just kind of the nature of the beast. So will it can happen in Pokemon to and sure enough, we do have a pokemon tournament coming up in Texas this weekend. I know you're excited. I'm excited. I am also just excited to see everyone, and I think this is the weekend that we finally commit to getting a picture. I have to sell you know what we should this weekend, because I'll let you in on something unique. What's that? You know what the Texas state motto is? I actually don't. Friendship, is that? Actually it actually is, Huh interesting state to choose that as their motto, to be honest, given some like historical elements of Texas. But you know, the holes like secession thing kind of ruins the idea of friendship as their statement. But I digress. It makes a good storyline for us to get a pare. I know and I've. I've every time you and I try and like fight for the picture, but then both of us forget when it's like we're in the moment. I know, the crunch time. Yeah, we hold under pressure, we fold under pressure, for sure, but I definitely want a group picture. You know, you me all the ful gate people. It's like having a good old happy time. And even listeners. That'd be great. Yes, for sure. If you're listening and you're in Dallas, please, please find us. We can take some pictures post on our tag team twitter, tag team pokemon. And Yeah, we just be happy to meet any of you. I've it was such a boy honestly, at Portland when I got to meet all the people who came up to me and said they are a fan of the show. We were happy to deliver that content to you and we're glad that you like it, because it's it's really just passion project for us, so seeing it impact the community positive ways is is really awesome. Absolutely. So let's just dive right into it, man. I feel like we have a lot to say about Texas, and I also don't want to take up too much of your time away from your friends. So Dallas coming up this weekend, cosmick eclips stand or expanded, excuse me, format, and I mean there's a lot going on, to be honest. We talked about it a bunch the last couple weeks about what's going on, the decks that are possibly viable. I feel like the Meta seems almost be in constant flux with what people are thinking about certain decks. It seems like the decks of kind of settled amongst themselves, but everyone's opinions about each deck and their matchups against each other is constantly shifting and adjusting, right as the decks get like more refined. Yeah, and people can say like oh well, you know, I'll include this tech for this, you know, this card or this card for this or something like that. You know, one one deck that we've kind of seen fall completely off the radar is like anything that has ADP. I think people are kind of realizing that that doesn't really translate that well into the expanded format, where you just say you know what, I basically will. You know, we've talked about this a lot. I'll send up a gx were three prizes and pass and hope you don't knock get out. Yeah, that's sentence it. We both of us are not fans of that sentence and standard, but it expanded. That sentence is not a good one. I don't like that. Right exactly, exactly. That's just insane. And shout out to all the tricky Jimmers who are coming in from Andrews Stream right now. He's Fading League Challenge. And shouts to Sean, Sean Leiden with his one year of subscription, one year exact team. It's crazy. We're actually our first episode was a post Dallas episode last year. Really, yeah, wow,...

...okay, so what we needed like a one year anniversary thing. I feel like we can do that on like the return though, because our first episode was like in the like the third week of January, which were coming up there. Got Of January. So all right, perfect. I think we're coming right up on there. So we'll make sure to have some celebration festivities in there. Maybe another giveaway for the fans, absolutely, but yeah, crazy, crazy stuff. To think about that anyway. You know, things have shifted a lot. The ATP Shaggy people are talking about playing ranger and like every dact to cancel out the ATPGX attack, which, to be fair, is very funny. I mean imagine saying, Hey, I hope you don't kill my tag team pass and then your pondents like, okay, I'm going to kill the tag team and also I just undid this JEX attack. That would just be a heartbreaker. Yeah, it just feels like such a worthless pokemon. I hate to say it you now some people really love ATP out there, but yeah, it's just can't see it being a viable archetype. I don't know. What's a deck on the rise? I think for me I've been hearing people talk a little bit more about Zoro Ark that, you know, not that it was ever not that it was ever really talked about, but just hearing, you know, some people say, you know, Zorgarb is just good. Maybe something like or Mok would be good. That's kind of a deck I feel is on the rise outside of kind of the I would say five or six like very standard archetypes that a lot of people predict. I think just Zoric decks in general are being a little bit more respected recently in the circles that I'm yeah, I've definitely seen this Zark come on the up. You know, when we first initially do of a new expand, we talked about Zoro garb being like a consistent factor in the expand of metagame. To always kind of like, I guess, a mediocre one, not that it would not win a tournament level mediocre, but it just like takes very close matchups against the field and ever feels like it's really a dominant deck in any matchup, at least for me, but certainly I think a lot of people have started shifting towards the deck. I was watching the Zul's Expanded Cup stream the restoric everywhere Zorik was doing real, really well in cups in the Texas area. So it's kind of interesting to see how it's come up since people. At the start people were just trying dark rye, people trying you two, people trying eggs and ultn across Wan. That was like the only decks you'd see and slowly but surely, like Zorik has crept its way back into the metagame. Never one to be there, one to be out of it, I suppose, Sir, absolutely, and I think that does like the main decks, I would say, have really risen. I mean guardivoir has been pretty well hyped but is like consistently seen, like, I guess, more play than I would expect a deck like Guardiv art it typically have. Just like that slower strategy isn't one that I always envision being the most popular one and expanded, but certainly it's it's shown up in swaths. Yeah, absolutely trying to think of anything that it's comparable to. But yeah, we just again we've talked about this. A lot of other concert creators have talked about you know, maybe why guardivore seems like a popular choice and we've seen a lot and cups and just being able to pour it over your standard deck's like definitely not something to to, you know, mess around with. I think a lot of new players they're getting into standard and then they say, okay, Hey, here's this really easy to go to regional in Dallas, I would say, pretty cheap and very kind of centralized, which is always very nice, and so I'm just going to bring my guardivore deck, which does amazing standard, going to add a couple cards and just parted them. Yeah, I mean I stride into strategy for sure. I mean we've seen ever since expanded was invented, there has been the concept of taking your standard deck and putting some cards in it and bringing it to expand, and that's historically actually done pretty well. Like sure, I mean you think back to even just Dallas a couple of years ago, Andrew Mahone played the buzzle but which was almost an identical standard buzzle, but he got ninth places bubbling on resistance. Yeah, bracy, that would raise. That would have been crazy. Yeah, it was like something. It is like a a SPEC and to col risks, was it yeah or no? You had like did he? I don't even think he had BS seeker. No, there's no BS. There's an acetack. So there's like cops arch, I believe. And Yeah, and to Colus, I think that was the entire expanded entity of that day, right, and it's just it's just funny because surely you know that like somebody's going a gonna go on a tear with with guardy or like Peka Ram is, another deck that kind of you know, you have Maxi licks or some things, but like the general core is all still available and standard. Certainly someone will will do pretty well with with a deck that they just kind of had already. For sure, for sure, but let's let's dive into some of o our favorite decks. I...

...feel like we have a lot to say about the decks that we like a lot, and I think the deck that is consistently been an interesting talking point has been mewtwo and you we are actually talking pretty extensively before we see the podcast and were like we're kind of wasting our voices here. We should maybe bring this to the show, but we were talking about what place me two has in the metagame, how it fares against other Meta decks, and I know that you love this dack. I mean it is your is your brainchild from the get go, something that you voted a lot of hours into. It's something I like. Is just a toolbox kind of deck, but struggles sometimes to to bring myself to want to bring that to a tournament. So the one matchup that I think really scares me a lot, and you have some different opinions on this, is turbo dark, and to me that's pretty problematic, right, because if you lose a turbo dark you probably shouldn't bring your deck to the Talis Rational Championship, right, sure, sure. So, JA, won't you go into your experiences in that match up, what that matchup looks like in means to you and how you would approach it? Yeah, I would say over all, though, just with me too as a deck, like, if you love it, I think you are like if you enjoy the deck, I think you really really just love the deck. And if you're kind of mediocre on the deck, you know there are definitely certain times where I've taken a deck that I've been lukewarm on to a tournament. I don't think anyone that's lukewarm on me two is going to take it to a tournament. I think it's just going to be the die hards that are going to bring it to Dallas, people that love to play the deck, our gem new ones playing youtube. But I I think in terms of the dark matchup, we, like you said, have very different opinions on how it goes. And I'll be honest. I haven't played against the best dark players, but I've played against what I consider to be the average to above average regional player in dark and the matchup has always kind of gone for me where they over banged their GX has and you're able to really punish them with the likes of Megalopney. I'm you're able to really punish them with the stork if they aren't able to get a turn one attack. So if you go second and you can distort them and they don't get the necessary energy on the right Pokemon to get a one shot on your mewtube, then usually stand a very good chance because you have now two ways to one shot. If they swing into you, you can return the knockout with like a Lucario. You can. Obviously we're talking about the Megalo punny. So I've always found that the matchup isn't horrible for me to there are other things you can play to kind of help the match up aside from Megalo Punny, and I'm thinking specifically about Kobellion, which are prevent the poisoning or the dead end effect from dark ryme, and so you know, if you do decide to play cobalion, I think that's another card that that really shifts a matchup. You are saying that there are ways that dark can reduce the amount of gx is. Obviously they don't have to play all their GX is down at the beginning. From my perspective. It's very hard for turbo dark to get going without playing, you know, like a Dedenne or a shaman or sometimes both or sometimes all three, to get that energy ramped up in the in the early game. But you're saying you know, maybe the route to go is just to get one dark ry gx, try not to bench much of anything else and then just get a hit off and kind of go from work your way out from there, just being a little bit more methodical with your pace of play. I haven't played against any dark I player that has done that. So so if there's a new Stra a Jeetz to play against me, two that I'm missing. I haven't really heard it discussed outside of what you have said, and so I would be curious to know how that kind of plays out. But from my experience the turbo dark just needs a shame and or a Dedenne and then obviously they're going to play their gxs or X has. That just basically need to be down. I'm thinking we vile, I'm thinking dark rye ex, I'm thinking dark Rye Gx, and then at that point you have enough, you know, viable prizes on the Board to win the game. Another thing that I've seen to is in the late game, if you're able to distortion door onto Shayman's, you can, you know, take four prizes in the end game, right if you can get six damage counters onto sham and then you can go ahead and do a Mariac play. That's obviously like a little bit parpatched it. We're thinking about the turbo dark being able to overbench like and then and then feel blower their sky field or something like that. Or you counter the sky field with your own dimension value and they're able to discard pokemon with damage on it. Again, I just in my games that it hasn't really played out that way and so, you know, maybe that's a matchup that if I if I do end up taking me to, which I'm pretty confident with, if I do end up taking me to the Nalys, that'll be something I want to hash out. Yeah, and I my counterpoint to that if there's a couple different ways than match it can progress and it in my it feels like if me two doesn't get the right progress, exact progresssion, it's in a really bad spot. So one...

...example is the slower proach that you alluded to right where dark eye can rely on just a wea vile and a gx or two and swing for a couple damage here and there. And the problem with you two is for only one energy attachment it really struggles to put the right amount of damage on the board. So, like guardavoir doesn't really do enough damage to dark rygx. Distort is a good attack, but it only does thirty damage against a dark type, which frankly, is pathetic in the matchup. And you know, mega law honey can do it for a DC but most list only playing one and especially to use it on a to prize or instead of a three prize or feels like a waste right. So if dark eye gx starts putting pressure early and there's no three friess on the board, all the sudden you're put in this weird scenario right where you're getting damage placed onto you. There's always the threat of dead end if you don't have a coballion down, and it's like this weird tray that it's pretty hard to win because you can't just distort in the face of a dark grygx swinging for undred and thirty. That is a really bad idea. The thirty. The thirty damage onto a two prizer it exchanged for thirty damage on a three frieser. The math feels wrong, but the math feels wrong to me. So so that's pretty problem. And so someone's Oh, go that, I was going to say. So, like the follow up is you might distort like the first turn that happens, and then the second turn you'll have to either calamitous slash or you'll have to, you know, guard of our attacked spare ray, or you'll have to megal off on you. So, I mean you truld like damage change if you play that, but very few list are. So just puts you in this weird spot right where like you have to use a nonlock attack to actually kill something. So you kill the two riser with a nonlock attack. That opens the floodgates. Dart can now take full advantage of the time that you've given it and that can that has been able to accumulate while you even doing this awkward trade, and flood the board with energy. Koh and so now you've taken suree prizes. They taken three. What happens next? You make a lot honey. If you have access to it. Still, you knock something out and then they just kill you again and right may get that with that end, presumably, because that is an with dead end, or or just dark rye or dark rye the dark and sort carnish it, and so it's like it just puts you in this weird situation where it's like hard to continually trade in the way that favors you as opposed to dark. And even stuff like like a pseudo woudo can get really annoying if they get it down at the right time. From and you did allude to already, you can they can overbench with sky field and it put exactly the Pokemon they want. And before we've I was a thing that was like a rougher thing to do. But now what they can do is they can vary deliberately move their energy off of things that they know they're going to get rid of and write, you know, pair their bench down to exactly the right pokemon. So it's just it feels rough to me. And then there's always the chance as well that dark just like go second get the Ko and then gets the Ko the next turn or so sure, or something of so that's that's something I think, though two and this is kind of what I've been saying just as long as I've played dark, is that people seem to be cutting out the consistency cards, like trainers, mail, like our Wrang Guroo. They seem to be dropping down on their you know, just consistency pokemon. You know, I'd be looking for ways to increase those counts, not decrease those counts. You know, they're taking out draw supporters, they're taking out just a lot of these things that make the deck more consistent in favor of finding little text better, you know, better attackers, but maybe just weakening the overall consistency engine of the deck. And I would say that in the matchups that I want against turbot dark, because I'm not saying it's a blowout, I do think it's close. From my perspective it is favored for mete, but that to say that and N in that mid game when they're drawing three cards is pretty has been, when I've won, pretty volatile for the dark right player, where if they aren't able to flood their board and I get to take a follow up Koh on something with energy, then I can usually just get up and it's kind of get over the Hump and to win the game. So those those you know, that mid game end, when they've just taken their first three prizes, can really just swing the matchup because they don't end up having anything, because all these lists are cutting all this consistency right, and I guess that's well, I just kind of think that's a mistake. Like there's a lot of things that can bog a dark list down and a lot of it feels unnecessary at this point in the game. Like, yeah, even the fury belts. They were good for a certain metagame. I don't know if they're that good anymore even. Like I'd rather just have a consistent deck. I mean, you could fit on that's fine, but like,...

...realistically, the Dark Deck is operating at its best when it's simple, straightforward, gets the attacks off, it gets down. Either can play to its outs perfectly or can get all the way down like seven cards in deck turn one and just, you know, tell energy on board and switting for ridiculously high numbers of damage that are just unbeatable at that point. Yeah, the and I guess I hate to just be contrarian because I know sometimes that I can just be a contrarian, but like. I just don't think the matchup is good for you too. I think it's actually pretty favored for dark, and that's I think you two is one of the only decks that I would say could still be viable not having a good dark matchup, because it has a lot of other good matchups, and Mutio's really oppressive as well against some other decks that could counter dark. So stuff like Lukeuario, well, I'm stuff like shots lots fun. I think the other thing too, that we have also talked about them on the podcast, is who is going to choose dark, because I do think it is very strong. A lot of people think it's very strong, but if all the people that think it's strong think it's going to see as much play as it will, then I think the better players tend to not play the deck that is so strong yet so linear. You know, you see people gravitate toward me too in standard because while it was very strong, it had all these different attacks that made it not so linear. Dark is extremely linear and that is why I think a lot of the best players will not play it, just in the sense that you know that it's kind of a one track mind. You know it's very like turbo focused and then if you don't get that turbo, you can be kind of countered by a few different things. And so I just feel like, if given a choice with all these cards, I think like the top of the top maybe isn't going to choose dark ry just because of its linearity. And so if that's the case, you know, we're and we're talking about a skill level to WHO's going to play turbot dark. You know, I'm very confident in beating somebody that's not you or somebody that's not, you know, Andrew, or somebody that's not, you know, Jimmy or Zul. You know, I'm very confident here somebody that's not, you know, one of the best players in the game when they're playing to to sure, I guess I do kind of agree that dark might not be the top choice amongst the best players, but I don't think linearity is necessarily the problem. They're like I think a linear deck is perfectly fine to take to a tournament as if it's sure powerful enough, and dark is actually I think dark's actually breaching that power level. I think the problem is that there's all these like random things that people are doing specifically to be dark. Like sure, we've seen multiple lukario deck topping lead ups and it's just like the come on man, like the Caryo. Well, that's the kind of thing I'm talking about. You know, like you know, you don't want to put your turmail on and, like you know, I guess it comes down to prediction at that point, but you hate to put your tournament on the line. And in that way, I guess. Yeah, I guess what I guess. What you're saying is kind of true. They are two is. Like Turbo Dark. I would think that it's just so strong that I would expect like you, I don't know. I just feel like the best players are always like that, one step ahead of the Meta. So, like, if turbo dark is strong and everyone thinks that turbo dark is the deck, then they're going to play the counter deck. You know, worth talking fight guys or Guardi, I would say, is a pseudo counter too dark in some ways, but then but then there's always that that next level, you know, right, and so so turbo dark is a good choice. This is not me saying, like, if you're going to choose turbo dark, like don't choose it. I'm like, it is very good. We're both agreeing. It's a very, very strong deck. Maybe the format and define it. Probably the format defining deck, and so like, if you're on and if you put your hours into turbo, are just, you know, don't be like scared off by what we're saying, but I just do feel like it's not going to be what the best players take right. And you know there's there's levels of metagaming that go into that as far as like the layers of what deck beats what other decks, and we can spend in circles all day. Exactly for sure, because could and I could say this and I could say this and everyone good picks dark. You know, I could say this and then Riley hands me the dark list the night before and I say, okay, so filthy. Yeah, because it is good. I'm not trying to say that that like I really want, like if I could, if I felt in my heart that I could play dark, I would love to play dark because it's so fast. It's fine. So it's fine. Right, you just get the blow stuff up like it's cool. It's great. That, I'm sure, but you know so, for sure, I feel your man. I feel you. Yeah, it's it's always tough to like figure out the the current the winning formula there. So it's a little bit the numbers game in some ways. Sure, sure, some other like interesting...

...decks that kind of know emerge that counter dark. You know, I've actually seen like a random like sect of people that like love these weird stall type decks. And there's two kind of decks I'm thinking of. There's Shocklock, which is, oh my gosh, like you hate to see that, but the problem shocklock, I think, is it loses really bad to Mewtwo and Zooro Garb, but it beats like everything else that doesn't play a hard switch out. Yeah, which is pretty yeah, it's funny, interesting, I don't know, it's pretty crazy to say the least. And then we have these other kind of stall archetypets. You have stuff like Reggie Rock, Ninja boy kind of stuff, which I kind of think is a little crappy. But like if it was built like maybe exactly perfectly, there's I think there's like merit to the idea, like the concept behind it. So, you know, and it's crazy because like you hate to factor stuff like that into your regionals around as well. Like as Arc deck that I'm considering has a pretty bad matchup to some of these stall decks because, like, you know, if I feel good with this match up, this matchups, this matchup and I really going to be scared off by the five people in the room to play shock like. I just know that. Every time I've been doing an expanded regional I've always been like right next to the guy for like shock club. Now you just kind of like follow them the whole tournament. I hope I don't play that kind. Yeah, they always, you know, they always have some like crazy triple sleeve deck and they have like, Ye know, these Max r Yeah, you know, of course. Yeah, it's crazy. The stamp, the beaches, you know, staff top, at least top thirty two. Yeah, we're not playing with amateurs here, right. It's pretty crazy. And like I've actually I don't think I've hit a shock. I have and D Alice when I want a hit a shock loock and beat them because are so ridiculous, but I haven't don one since then. But I've always been around them. They're always lurking in the shadows, always working in the background. That's right, you know. But it's crazy because like there's always like four or five shot clock players, you know, but they always are up there too. They're always in contention, I feel like right. So you know, I think like more traditional sald decks typically will falter a little bit because their shaddies are pretty fragile. We're shock loock is just such an autowind strategy if you get it up here for right, actually ridiculous. I don't have you see any like other kind of rogue esh strategies and merge in the past week or so. Yes, regrettably, confer greigus Tina Chop. Yeah, Dude, yeah, actually, I was testing last night with Michael Zeally and I was playing as our arc Dec he was playing the cock cocko regis deck and it was like by far the hardest match I would up the night. But it's like he's played all these crappy cars and I'll like what the heck man this? Yeah, yeah, well, Hey, I mean, you know what, Somebody's going to play it because I think it's busted. I am not one of those people that I do not believe that that deck is that that busted. Again, I'm looking kind of I'm looking, I'm looking at it through this lens of mewtwo where you just you know, body their Kaf for Grigus, you know, babies or whatever on turn one and then they just don't do anything. Yeah, you know the Yamask. Yes, you know I'm a little bit biased. Again, I put the most time into mewtwo. Very confident and like it's just like that bad match up there. I could see it being very difficult, right. I could see it having a very good matchup with, I guess dark would be a good match up anything that can't really have that good of access to the bench, right, because they want to like try to get some damage on the board so they can set up, you know, they're they're big calamitous slashes for one shots on, you know, presumably tag teams. Doesn't seem like they would. It doesn't seem like I would have a good ultram acrossma matchup now ultnate acrossman as a day that I also play the Neiver, right, they also play the neivern, but I've I've lost to that deck even while playing the neivern and being successful with getting the noiver now. So that well, I'm just saying that there's a times there's enough time in that early game, right, because you have to have all the one turn. Well, you have that catch twice. There's enough time in the early game for them to set up to detach once. Oh Yeah, the Double Dragon. Yeah, I understand, but you you have to wait a turn to evolve because I guess what I'm saying. Yeah, but so like only go behind on prizes when you evolve right when. I so they could. They have those. What I'm trying to say is they have one turn to build up to attackers and if they can build up to attackers and like N is so powerful that if they just end you into a hand and...

...they can rip off your double drag in, then can just get up ahead of you and right when the game from there. Yeah, I guess the list I've seen have they play and enhanced hammer as well. So like, even if you get a head on the noi vern, they just enhanced it and then Kao the other one, right, that's already been attacking. So yeah, I mean that that. I've also seen ranger in these ultram acrossman decks. Not ulture acrossman is a deck that doesn't feel like the right choice for this tournament. To me. It feels like a deck that it I'll just say this. It doesn't feel like a deck that's going to win and it feels like a deck that isn't like there are some decks that I feel like. Gardivore, for instance, is a deck that I think almost anyone can take and do and win five games with. I don't feel that way about ultra ACROSSMA, right, ultracrosma, this has some very like glaring weaknesses. It has some strengths, absolutely, but it's kind of a little bit just very fragile, as we've already talked about in the podcast, and things don't always set up the way you want them to, even with Goosemahala, but that's a bad card and a lot of people have talked about why it's not maybe the best card in that deck, and so it's gonna know that. That's that just doesn't feel like a deck that that is going to win the tournament. It doesn't really feel like doesn't feel like a good deck. Yeah, I don't know. If you're trying to win, I think it's an okay deck. Like against Turbo Dark, I think the matchups pretty close, like being able to the knocking off the energy and doing seventy is a lot. Try and I've liked having a couple counter attackers, like counter energy and like pseudo buzz will stuff like that. Sure, just a couple of them, you know, it's a little little bit of small spice thrown in them, a little of some something. But, like I I don't think it's terrible. Actually, I think. Yeah, I think the problem it has is matchups that can shrug off the attack and then heal it so right. Like Zark decks can pretty easily tank a hit and a so Rolla and guard of our decks especially, they can move the energy back and then tank a hit VACs potion or ace Rolla or Azy, all of which they play right. And that feels bad. I mean that doesn't feel good, that's for sure. So it's I think that's the real problem with it. I you know, I actually think the potential is there for something good to happen, but it has those rough matchups and like the really, though, I don't know if there's like a great way to fix all that. Like the counter attackers are good and I think they help and a lot of those matchups, but you know, it's it's never a guarantee right and it's there's just a lot going on in that day. There's a lot that needs to happen every turn. It's easy to whip a turn of attacking even with the most consistent builds, which is also part of why I like count energy, because you at least have those extra two or three energy outs. And it's weak like special energy hate, which you know all the music. Dex Play Neiver, the Quarantina deck plays noivern and even if you play a ranger, you hate to have to play ranger. All right, right, you know it's your supporter for turn right. So yeah, there's a lot. There's a lot that goes into it, but I don't think it's terrible. I don't think it's actually terrible. I think some people do think it's like awful. I'm definitely not in that pool. Yeah, we have a few things from the chat just we can go over them really quickly. Best Mc Queen, how do you feel about best for Queen? I mean, I just have never liked best be queen, so probably not the best person to ask, but I don't think it's really gotten any better. Like some people are trying to roxy kind of stuff, which is cute, but like I don't think that's going to has really gotten anything that like pushes it further than it's already been. Besides, control x kind of going down and popularity, sure, and I think that's goings also hurt because stuff like dark now is gues Lord to offset the price trade. Sure, mew two will lost. Owe So guys, and then noiver and you. It's just roughn't know. Yeah, yeah, I agree uh them. How about, let's see Lukario. We have one person asking about Lakaros Kario a deck that you would ever take or ever? Maybe not, because I kind of know your answer that you wouldn't take a tournament. But is it ever something that you would suggest someone but they take to Dallas? Yeah, I mean I don't think Lucario is like objectively horrible, like awful death. Don't ever play it at a tournament. It's just it. It's matchups are of you know, very lineated in the...

...weakness printed in the bottom left of your card and if you're not against one of those matchups, they can be kind of rough, like guard of arc and really easily shrug off your hits and you get like one turn where you get the Gx them, which is nice for sure, but still not fantastic. The focus as strategy seems better on paper than it is in practice. I think, like dark can get around it pretty easily with a fuel blower and then a hypnotxical laser, so you have like multiple ways to get through it. It's just like there's a lot that can go wrong. That being said, you still have a pretty good matchup against dark, even though dark does have the outs to like deal with the sash. At least get a pretty good matchup against arc for the most part. Yeah, and like the deck is, I think, fairly consistent, like you have Brooklet Hill and artillery going for you, which I think there's a lot to be said just for being consistent deck as well. So if you're I mean if it's if you expect to hit like six dark decks in a day, including Zor arc alongside dark box, and it's probably not terrible. But right this is not that I would play. Sure I don't fight that guy's decks anyway. Yeah, well, you know how we how we feel about fight guys. You're on tech for sure, so cool. All right. What else? What else should we BE ASKING IN TERMS OF DALLAS PREP? You know, what are? What are some of the other things that we maybe haven't talked about? I guess one good question that I would have for you, Riley, is you're looking to go to dalice. Give me the three decks, or maybe there's less, but give me like around three, or maybe there's more. Give me three decks that you feel confident will get you points in Dallas. Give me three decks that you would be confident should make day too like for you if you were piloting them right now. I really I do like dark a lot. It's frobably not my number one choice, but it's in my top three. I really do like Zoric a lot, and that's changed quite a bit over the past week. And then for number three, I'm packing guard of our stuff. I don't know if it would be my objective number three, but it's a pretty good deck. So what about you, JW Mewtwo's obviously your number one right now. You got your held a gump point. You have to other decks that you have to pick. What are they? I think Gardy is very solid choice for me and Oh man, I can't. I can't recommend a grow yeah, no, I cannot recommend that girl. That seems like a bad choice this weekend. Personally for me, I can't recommend Zorg, but I can never like count it out because surely there's some way that somebody's going to play Zorc that you know does well. Be It is or Gar, be it Zoral mock, be it Zork with like counter stuff. I mean there's some way that somebody will make the ark work. It's not for me right now. I just haven't put the time in ZARC. It's kind of been the forgotten deck for me in terms of this expanded metagame. Like I just really haven't put any time to that. I think my third choice, my third choice right now would honestly be P K Ram. I think that deck laps and it's laps. Laughs. Yeah, adjective almost doesn't feel right coming out of your mouth. What do you talk about? I got my backwards hat. I don't know, man. It's kind of like when a like when a Dankis says vibe. It just doesn't sound right. Right. Well, I said it. Okay, I can't take it back. It's too late, for sure. I think he grabs a good choice, for sure. I the problem, I would pegram is like there's so many moving parts in it and like not in a way that I really like, but once it gets going it's like insane. Yeah, sure, sure, Tommy boys saying he got destroyed it full grip with Pica, dark and me, two bodied me who hate to see it. You do things you hate to see. Are definitely a for sure. So those are your top three decks. What is it deck that you will definitely not bring under any circumstances this tournament unless something like drastically changes in the next couple day. I lost. Something drastically changes. You hit already. So yeah, I grow, I would say a grow fike guys, and any dragon deck, anything like ultram ACROSSMA ATP. You do not like Double Dragon Energy? No, man. I mean I'd love to be proven wrong on this one because, you know, it seems like such a nice mechanic, seems a very wholesome, but I just I worry that the deck kind...

...of gets bogged down and doesn't have it just seems like it has deceiving matchups. I would just be worried deceiving matchups. That's it. That's one way to put it. For sure. I think if you asked me the number one deck at any expanded tournament that I would never play, and this maybe is a cop out because people aren't really playing it much anymore. But our Chieseus like so far off my radar that I feel like it's unfair to even say. Yeah, beyond that, yeah, you know, like anything really involving fight, fighting Pokemon is never going to be a consideration. Something about fighting Pokemon and me, like, besides Li and Rockings, arc decks just like don't get along, like we don't. We don't have a good relationship whatsoever. Like if I play buzz will I'm missing all four of those lictors. Not Getting a Brooklyn out. Ever, right, right, no, opponent is probably playing a psychic pokmon somewhere, and they're right, so they're great. One should be over and over like every time I've played a buzz whole deck at a tournament it went horribly. I've faced like the most ridiculous, obscure matchups in the world, like do you remember that Buzz Garb order pad deck? Yes, I've played that at a challenge at origins once and I hit like freaking psychic these box around one or two urs loss. It was just like really, this is imposis that is actually possible, like I can't do this. That's what I'm so absurd. So that's what that's how I feel about fight guys. You know, I'm just going to face on their ridiculous that doesn't even make sense to bring this sort of yeah, yeah, but no, I'm excited because I've been I've been hearing just so many different, like thoughts on every single deck and I think it's good for us to have these very strong takes about decks and and I'm just more than happy to be proven wrong. I think I've stayed relatively consistent with where I've placed my decks. You know, I'm not trying to, I don't know, like dupe anyone with with kind of what I've the information that I've been showing and like deck that I've been streaming and things like this or dex that I've been hyping or not hyping. I think I've generally remain pretty consistent. You know I'm but I am ready to be proven wrong. I'm excited to see where Dallas goes with the format and I'm excited to see what new text and Pokemon that people concoct and bring to bring to doubts. Yeah, for sure, and I can personally attest that we've been very candid with our feelings about this format. For better or for worse. We might be completely wrong, but we're definitely being honest. So yeah, I mean some of the car always the tournament. We were not. We were genuinely not expecting that. Right, right, exactly exactly did and like I honestly believe to you know the expanded formats. You know, and I can say this like with the proof positive of Richmond, that if you put your time in, even if it's not necessarily on the deck that you end up playing, like if you know the format well enough, then you can make those informed of deck decisions. You know the day or two before, the night before, even you know the day of sometimes, which is always scary, but you know you'll have a good tournament. But but it's just about putting in those hours and kind of understanding what's happening and you'll do well no matter what deck you well, I can't guarantee, but like the idea of being that the tops of the cows. That right. Like you can't guarantee it like objective success, but you can guarantee like success in theory. Right, cool, honestly, I think we've given a lot of like a lot of our insight. We kind of exhausted our reservoirs at this point. So I'd really like to open up the floor to any sort of questions that chat has. I see a couple that we could get to you right now. We'll try and answer like three to five additional questions. We did answer some earlier in the podcast, and then we'll wrap it up and we'll see you all in Dallas. So right off, right here I see jollyflyman asking how bad would it be to bring a deck that is not so good against dark but just completely blows Guardia, met and anti dark decks out of the water? So kind of like you don't take a good matchup against the best deck, but you beat basically everything else, at least in the top Tier Meta. What do you think of that kind of approach to a tournament? Jw, I think that's okay. I worry that, like I'm trying to think of a deck that does that, like that just sucks on dark and beats everything else. But what I would say to that is, like, you're probably not, you know, if you don't lose two or if you don't be dark, you're probably not beating some other very significant matchups as well, like there has to be something. I'm just not thinking of anything that hasn't got darker. Ram would have a similar match of is like things that lucid dark could probably also similarly...

...lose to peak grow. Right, right. So, I mean I again, if you put your time in, roll the dice, you know, because if you do think that it has that good of a Matchup Against Guard wore mute to fight guys, you know, Altra in Acrosma. You know, if you think it beats every other like tear three, two deck and above, then I would honestly suggest that you play it. I think again with a theory that dark is going to be the best deck but maybe not played by the best players. The idea there would be that, you know, if dark is just the most populated deck in the room but isn't piloted by the best players, then kind of it's it's representation will fall off the later on in the tournament that you go. Sure, that's just what I think about turbo dark. Again, it's not like a value judgment on you if you decide to play turbo dark, but just to say that I do think it will be the overwhelming picked by you know that and Guardi kind of those two decks stand out to me as like the decks that I just expect, you know, kind of that just that average player to play, and so you know, the representation of that deck will go down, ideally the later on tournament that you get, and then so your deck will have more chance to shine the longer you can maintain a good record. Right, and I've definitely taken the the theoretical approach before. Of like I don't take a good matchup, I it's the very best deck. A great example of this as I played Zork like and rocket quite a few tournaments in the two thousand and seventeen eighteen season when it took a bad matchup against puzzle like an rack, right, but it was very good against the rest of the field and I made quite a few day to use with Zork like and rock dex. So certainly that logic can be applied. I've kind of pumped the brakes on that kind of logic in my own tournaments more recently because typically I find that if you have a bad matchup against the essential deck in the format, it's hard to actually win the tournament, but I think it's a vowed strategy, especially if you're looking for points as opposed to like final placement. That's a really good strategy. Yeah, good point. Cool. So, Pepsi Fan Thirteen Ass. What do you think about Lot Eos gx in me three de x, I guess this question would be to me. I mean, Riley, you're more than welcome to chime in here, but sure, I was thinking about lot e Os. I tested a few games a lot EOS, but I don't think that it makes sense because the only matchup that it really seems like it would help would be mew three, like the mirror. But then even then it might not help because, like you three actually, you know, just has like the GUARANTINA's right that they can get powered up to theoretically go through that. But if you're thinking about lot EOS gx for turbo DARC, then turbo DARC still plays, I think, at least one you I've seen in a lot of lists. So I don't I don't love the lot of SGX. I'm just trying to think of a matchup that it would that it would shine in. You know, I can't really think of that. Is there any matchup? We're like, the GX attack could be really good? Not One, not one that I can think of. Not that comes to mind immediately either. So I guess we're saying we're not huge fans of it. Yeah, I mean it's just it's hard, right because when when all of the major decks that that I can think of, you know, can like attack with a non tag team, I just don't feel like a lot eosts is as constricting in expanded as it is and standard for sure. So so well, you know, I guess yea silver, silver pocket, no, no, on one here. Guardian would be the kind of counter to that. So I guess a Lotios for for Guardian. But I mean I I don't think that matchup is like the matchup was already winnable without the Ludios. So I don't know that adding Lotios like because it doesn't. When you're looking at a mewthree deck, you don't want to add too many text that are just matchup specific. For one single matchup with that kind of toolboxed out, every single card choice is very, very important. So when I'm looking to construct my mew too deck and trying to figure out what I should play as my last few cards. I'm looking at what makes the most impact in the most matchups, so something like a lot of audio. So if you're saying, well, I just want it to counter Guardian, I think there are other cards that are just like could do that maybe a little bit better, or just increasing in the consistency of your decks that you can get out from under the late game style. Lab just seem like better cards to play here. All right, so we'll take the next two questions and then we'll wrap up here for today. So just a doorman asked. I know this has nothing to do with Dallas, which is perfectly fine, but what are your thoughts on the next set? I think there's a lot of...

...really interesting stuff that comes out of the next set. We've been talking a fair amount in our group chats recently about what the next set might look like. You know, we talked pretty closely with Andrew Mahone and he is getting really ready for making videos on tricky Jim for the next set or making streams. So I think there's a lot of cool stuff. I think metals looking incredibly strong with the news Asian kind of offsets all the negative downsides of going first with its ridiculous ability. Yeah, and like combining that with ATP and frying pants and stuff could be pretty crazy. And then you have like more pico to hit and run with balls. I think there's some really cool stuff that comes next set. I haven't put a lot, or any rather testing time into it, so I can't give like a, you know, comprehensive opinion, but I think there's a lot of cool, fun stuff and I'm excited to explore that. Couldn't agree more here. I think the everything that you hit on is stuff that I, I'm, you know, not surprisingly, thinking is good. I'm interested to see how what's the what's the Snam evolution with the Water Frost Moth? Frost Moth? I'm excited to see how that kind of fits in. I do love myself a good rain dance, so for sure. Yeah, I mean it should be fun. I think it'll shake up the the format a lot, really nurse a lot of the cards in current standard and just like it'll be some fresh air that I know that you have been excited for and I've been waiting for for a while. So then the last question for the Stream today and it's from Ninja at dusk one. And what are your thoughts on current standards? So maybe if we had a leak up or something this weekend, what are the top voices that you would consider? Of You, I would say guardian. I think rocks and CHOMP is also a solid choice, and then I would probably go with birds for my third. Yeah, I got to say I'm kind of sick of playing birds. I'm kind of sick of being screwed by my frises. It's happened to me far too many games in a row. That being said, I think my favorite decks in this standard format, in order, our guardian, Youtube and Roxe CHOMP. I think those are all incredibly strong, have really good options available to them and could easily spike any tournament. So if you're going to leaked up, I would recommend those. As far as like general opinions and Curat Standard, I think it's actually a lot better than people gave it credit for. It just I think it went stale and people's minds faster than expected because we's had so many tournaments so quickly. Sure, cool. So I think we've reached the end of the line here. We're so excited to play in Dallas and we hope if you were in Dallas that you could say hello or at least that you find success in your own tournament. Yet you improved or you had a good run or you just had a good time. You know, there's all sorts of ways that you can define success at these things. Make sure you also check out full grip. They'll be at Dallas vending. You can see Andrew Mahone there and the full grip booth will have awesome prices. will be buying your bulk and your gx's and all that kind of great stuff. So you sure to check them out and I'll just check out their website for your Gamescom full grip codes just went live with the Sword Shield expansions, so if you're looking at soup up your tcgeo account, now is the time to buy. You can get those codes delivered before the set drops, which will be pretty awesome. Got To say, who doesn't love watching that countdown time or tick and then opening the pack as soon as it drops? That'll realing. That is a feeling right there. So be sure to check out all that awesome stuff. We love and support full grip just like they love and sport us here at tag team and we hope that you all show that same support to them. And that'll be it for this week. So again, we'll see you all in Dallas and I hope everyone has an awesome week peace. See You, guys.

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