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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 1, Episode 16 · 1 year ago

15. You Have My Sword, and my Shield

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All right, what is up everybody welcomeback to tag team, ier, host Ribaly over joined by my good friend, JW crewwallon location. What's up, JW, Hey ow's, it going rily, dude, so you're out inDetroit Michigan Right now. What's going on IAM in the D Detroit city Mo town, to help with a diversity conference, thereis a yearly conference of Orchestra's musicians that is lookingto promote diversity in music and so ann was involved about well. This isher third year and then I joined in last year and basically I just run. Youknow a lot of the production stuff so making sure that the speakers come onand off. Yeah Super Cool, the particular ball Roomis, making sureeverybody is all miked up for whet. They need to be making sure that justthe event runs smoothly kind of doing all the behind the scene stuff. So Ienjoyed it last year. SOIDE come back this year and you know it pays. Theyput us up in a little hotel here and it's all pretty nice yeah. That isreally nice. If longtime listeners, I might remember that JW attended thislast year as well, so we're actually just talking about that before the castI was like wait, I swear. I remember you doing something like that yeah, Iknow because it's like it just feels. I don't know it's a weird thing to say:Like Hey, I'm attending a diversity capper that not that that's weirdnecessarily it's jus! No, it s! It's just like a distinct playing that you'd.Remember someone saying so right or like that. You wouldn't hear in enoughconversations to like not remember upon hearing it again right, so yeah super cool man. I think it's anoble cause as well wewere talking, I think. Last year wetalked a little bit about like the underrepresentation and how thathappens in music. So I appreciate that you're getting involved in that yeahanyway shift and focus, though back to Pokemon sord shield, is just around thecorner. We're recording this on Wednesday. The fifth sordshieldofficially drops in retail stores that aren't like card stores on the seventh.Here I mean that's pretty insane if youthink about it, we're entering a whole new era of the game. TCGO is actuallyalready updated with the rule, which is pretty entertaining because it's likethis weird format that doesn't exist. Yeah, that's onthing. On Dcgo, I'm trying t there was also that onebefore worlds where they had like the prerotation worlds, format yeah, I'mnot I'm blanking on it, but this one is definitely definitely bizarre. This oneis really weird because, like the prerotation worlds, one is likewhatever I guess. Technically, that's e thing, but like this one is like a role that doesn'texist in the previous TOR yeretically. It could kind of help to stabilize the expanded metagame. I feellike there's not as much like shifting of decks in the EXPANDA metagame, butroaly no in standard it just doe whole lot. Ots Chaos, I'm sure I have notplayed any ladder today, but I almost like it tempted to just to like see.What's going on right, I would guess honestly, I would guess it's a lot ofhorror house me to yeah, probably that's like the most portable deck fromsord and shield. That's been popular into the Corme Center, so I think it isjust a Onev one except there's. No quick ball access, yeah or Marni Tor Marty, good point,yeah so and I'm sure, actually horrorhouse is probably quite makingquite a showing expanded as well trevnor Malotic, probably kind of stuffrer is ugly ugly head Beck and of Er lives. So cool yeah I mean that's,that's not really. The point, though I mean this format doesn't truly exist,the context of any like tournament that you would go to, but it is a fun littlefun. I Guess Little Cork of Tcgo that you could get your hands on if you playin the next all ours, I guess but Sowe're sell, is dropping and the thecards actually unlock on Tcjo tomorrow. I believe you have pack codes on thesystem. GW We've talked a little bit about sort of shield and what we'rethinking going into this format? What and you've actually played with Andrewas well this week on the Tricky Gym Stream? So, if you're interested youcan check the out those Vods, what are the decks that you're currently mostimpressed by or the deck that you know if you had a tournament, this firstSaturday of sort, an shield? What would be the deck that you snap Grav and taketo it yeah hundred percent? I would take atpzation. I think that deck isjust format, defining yeah, very, very strong. It can win against,I think any style of deck. So what I mean by that is like, I think itcan win by against one prize Tex. I think it has pretty solid. I mean verysolid mattric against tag team decks...

...and especially when a lot of these decks are needing to useGERACI to set up. They have all these other one prize text in their decks,like absal Vione, that kind of stuff mar shadow.You know you can take a couple of easy prizes on one of those and then knotgot a tag team and then all of a sudden, the game is over. It. Just really haskind of this slow, rampup speed, but a very like outline definition of howlong the game is going to last. You know. So if you attach first turn andthen second turn you get your gx off with ATP, then you basically go turnthree knockout turn four knockout and then tha. ' That's enough, usually yeah.So it's like if you'ree the opposing deck you have that one turn to gust upthe ATP and knock it out. That has a one energy attached or like you're,probably losing unless you choose them with a reset stamp or something likethat. But even then there are bord positions that they can set up wherethey have just gx with their ATP and then they've set up two Zashions, andthen you just can't do anything from m. It really provides these almostunwinnable board states from turn. You know two or three on and that's veryscary yeah. I think that's probably my favorite deck in the format at leastheading in as well. It's just it's obvious. I guess that it's goingto be a powerful archetype. You Got Zacian by itself is just a ridiculouscard. I ean pretty much every word on that car reads pretty good to me. Socan't really complain about that. Ifthe attack is insane and with theaddition of that, ATP, I think is really what pushes that damage to thepoint where it really needs to be right like right, tro thirty is good and itknocks out of posing Zasians, barring frying Panch, Tan agains, but two andsixty, and especially in conjunction with like shrine, and you know,whatever else you could throw in in the mix. That is insane. That's exactly thekind of damage that you want to be doing every game right and you know it's got all sorts ofacceleration between the metal, saucer and Zasan's ability. So it's prettyeasy to, like you know, you can focus in those two attachments on the ATP andthe think about current ATPDEX that we have time and time again, we'vecriticized ADP an curn format. Yeah is that you can you throw up that twoprize or three pries ATP ith, two Energy Yugx, you say well, don't knockthis out because I need to use the attack. Well, I need to use the other attack.You know to continue playing the game. So please don't knock this guy outright. The thing with Zeceen is you have all sorts of ways to recover yourenergy state, even if that ATP gets immediately knocked down. So you getall the benefits of ATP while still having these really powerful attackers,not tovention theyre, two price detacters, so you have to knock out twoof them Wal right and that's that's it to is like with the old ADP that playedKeldio and you'r. I mean you're. Bringing this point up exactly right. Imean it tried to. We saw like Xander's list was a little bit innovativebecause he played the countergain as a way to just basically be that extraenergy attachment. Now we have metal saucers, so it's really and the ability.So it's like really not out of the question to be able to build up twozations very easily very quickly. You know, and that is just something thatATP didn't have it didn't really have a one shot potential either, so you were able to give the decade waspacing. You know when you were playing it with the Keldio version last formatyou are able to give them some time to like figure out routes to win, or I didsomething you know you gave him at least a turn to like figure out. Okay,can I get a plant down, or can I get you know so something they had to turnto do something? Now, it's all just like in your face deman and the answerimmediately right and also like not to mention like you can power up as Asenin one turn, whereas cownter gain is one coloess energy which yeah, you knowthat's good, but it's not two metal saucers and an attachment. I don't know man that and not tomention. I think the thing that really pushes adpc an over the edge is, Ithink, no deck better like exemplifies. How to take advantage of the first termrule that currently exists better than atpacn so like all they really want, isto attach, and then they can use thes atans ability o draw three cars andmaybe attach again EA, which that's a fantastic turn and with the way thatturn one goes right now. So it's just crazy man like the the benefit theygets from going. First, the overall, like check Mae Board scenarios, theprize trade that, like quickly quickly get out of hand. If left unchecked, Imean NAT's soventially Existin, one shots a Peekaron, even throughresistance. I know it's qreatly and like Righta few other damage modifiers,there's that there's that one tool card...

...that gives you like ten extra buff,which is very itality band, is definitely relevanting as mute to likethen you're hitting two sevent. I think shrine might just be the better card,because it's a counter stadium, yeah but like if they'R, if swell superpopular, you could pul right, but it was rgt. So so that's that's the otherthing that I'm kind of getting to with the deck. Is that there's a lot ofspace to work with in terms of adding your own Texan and kind of making thelist your own? So that's another real reason that I like the deck. There aresome lists out there that are kind of. I would say like me, to is kind of thisway where you pretty much have to play the same, maybe like fifty six cards orso and then maybe the last four cards you can mess with, but I think a decklike ATP ostion you can play. You know forty five cards that are pretty muchthere and then the last fifteen cards are pretty up to each individual player.So I think there are some things that you can do that you know with that deckthat can you know, adapt to your local metagame right a lot more easily, so you call out, like you, can kind ofcustomize ATP ACN and make it your own and make it powerful in your own ways.What are some of the ways that you like to power up that deck and make itstrong? What's the JW twist on ATPC? Well, you saw it with Andrews like wewere. Thinking of you know one prize attackers. That would be good because whe originally started with a list that had to two of the Aurora Energy and one waterenergy to kind of take take advantage of like maybe a reading force like it'splayed or something like that. But then Reyo switch oard to a for Aurora Energyversion with you know the eight or nine metals I forget the exact count, but then we were thinking. Okay, wejust need one one: Energy attacker at the end of the game, to like clean up aDarachi, we're thinking, maybe you know Zaptoswas our ultimate answer.I think you could probably go with something like the spiritomb would be good. You couldplay things like criogonal, so, like you know, it just kind of depends onhow the metagame shift. So, if you know let's say doll stalls very popular CRAGanall makes a lot of sense. Let's say you know, I don't know that you'retrying to hit bigger numbers than Spiritu makes a lot of sense. Let's sayyou just want to consist in one ten. Then I think you know Zaptos is alwaysthere for you and then there's a lot of stuff that can still be explored thatI'm very excited to explore. I think about things like Naalego would beanother. One that comes to mind is just a one prize attacker. You know that that can do some prettyheavy damage. It takes a little bit more fenagling with that, but that justgoes to show that there are just things that we didn't think about out there. Another tech that I like for Eghtypusassion that gets around probably its worst just general threat is Tanbler to getrid of any ladiotes shenanigans that could occur. I'm thinking laudios inlike mouto might be a bit of an issue. Ladios in any type of staldeckdefinitely is an issue. So what kind of see how the medagaine forms a theminigum shapes and look for Channeler to make its way into ATP? I mean it'slike a one card: inclusion that just completely swings anydeck that playsLaudiosa. Even the mutulists are playing a Laudio O. I presume you know that that y have been forer. What's that? Well, I mean they havebeen forever right right, no, exactly exactly, but even heading into this newformat. You know laudios still is a fairly big threat and you know you have an answer for itright. So I I mean I never really vn reallythought about playing Channeler, but as a card as an option. How do you makethe best use to as out of Channler when it's hard to find the supporters inthis format like at least one of particular supporters? How do you make the best use of channelor when it's hard to find one of supporters? I mean you have Geraciright so, like that's kind of the catchall for for that type of thing, soI would just say you know you got Daraci, don't think too hard about it. I surpise suppose I'm I'm not one toconsider GERACI an instant out to any one of us. You don't you don't need it!The first turn you just needed the turn that you want a ATP and which is thesecond Yowell you Cana withsation. So, like you know, it's just it's tough to, because if you'replaying against a stallbeck and e have laudios, then you have really a fairlylong time like you have more turns to do things so right yeah, I mean, I think, there'slike a mixture of things. I think it's probably best against stall when youcan afford to not use ATPGX attack immediately against stuff, like Muto,I'm I'm not sure you'll be able to get it off in the way that you need to atleast very consistently. So I don't know I have like MITfealings on on like Cardlay channeler...

...that are so Jusun Athe Peing I mean andagain like if it does end up being a huge threat. Like let's say stall, isyou know an St Arghetyper, it's herewone architypte that a lot ofpeople player a D. It's all over your locometigame, you can play to you knowthat's like that's AEIT's. No, there were Eightypik ATPDX in this formatthat did play to channeler and the deck just has that space. Like sure again,those last like I'd say about fifteen cards literally play anything. You want.Let Them Rip Manlet, those channelers fly, that's WHA, I'm saying so, and you know I think we could go onabout ATPCIN for a long time. It's clearly a good deck. We don't need tosell it to anyone and we obviously most like it another deck that I think has gotten alot of hype and also a little bit of controversy. Is this Mutu Malamararchetype? Some people say it's like toinconsistent or not that powerful overall other people say that you knowthe combination of Marni and horror, house and Trevnaras attack is just way too muchfor things to deal with. What is your opinion on the Mutu Malamar archetype? It feels kind of good, I'm not gonnalie. I think it's, I think it's a valid deck. Is it something that I would play?Probably not. I would lean against it, but there are a lot of things that makeme understand why somebody would play it and if somebody comes up to me and says,Hey, I'm thinking about playing this deck. For you know my challenge, N, mycup, or even my regional, I wouldn't say not to it's, not the deck that Ilove randed. I don't think the list that Iplayed with Andrew was you know the way I would. I would build the deck. That's not likea knock on Andrew, because I think his list was basically just the secondplace list from that foreign regional. But I would say the DECAE is very valid.Has a lot of things going for it, you think of forrhouse? Do you think ofTrevnor, you think of the one shot potential of the ulternate crosmy?Those are the three standout performers I think from the deck. If you can combine all that into oneand make it consistent, which you have more consistency, outs for the you know the Malamar or the Incaswith a quick ball. I think it's valid. I think it has a spot in the medagameand I honestly would put it somewhere between ter one and ter two now, if yousaw my tearless video you'll, know yeahsomewhere between tear ones or two, but I think it's very valid. So then, Iguess the question I have for you is you call it a valid deck? You wouldn'tcriticize anyone for playing it, but you also say that it isn't for you. So what would it take for that deck tocross? That line and be good enough for you to consider to playit in an event? U That's a good question, so I just think that theinherent threat against it via the Turna onerule is just very serious. You know you don't get the benefit of extra drawthruzation you're forced to evolve your Malamas, which are just extremelyimportant. So if you don't get Itough Tink quas down on the first turn andyou end up going first like it can just be kind of tough. If your opponentsable to gust up your Akas or you know, snipe them or something you know ifthey're able to take them out before you can really get full of fact thatthat can be tough. Additionally, there are turms with trebnor that you go in,and your opponent, you know and Trevnor is your best attacker and you kind ofneed the Trevnor to stick, but there are times that it just doesn't. Youknow you Marti or own it onething and you're like okay. As long as I hit, youknow, two of their cards to you know they're only two good cards, then thenI'll have a chance here, but then they either top deck or they. You know youdon't hit the two and they have a draw out. That's very tough, I would sayalso the strength of the consistency. Engines is just way better. So trebnoris also just nerved by that. So what do I mean? Lik, that last format, you saw a lot of tag, callengines. You saw a lot of just lower in general bx and this format now we'rejust seeing everything beat Everythingis juiced. You know it justfeels like we hit puberty, like the format hitpuberty and now are all gas. You know it's really swoll right now, and so the draw supporters are just thatmuch better. So, as opposed to last forma where travnor might havediscarded, you know your two best cards and then you're left with like a tagcall and the TAK calls best card that could draw you out of it is getting aCynthian Caitlin will now you know. Let's say you have another supporter nand it's a Marni or Amagnoli or whatever either of those two are prettygood options to you know the best...

...drawoption of a tag Calbeck, which isCynthian Calin. So I think trednore is a little bit nerve by just the juice ofthe format. You know you could also have just a bund like you could have aquick, Bal, onhand and then just well get it to denny. The consistency is way better. Sotrebnor is therefore less useful. Sure I I think that's partially valid. Ithink that not necessarily the consistency isbetter. The draw hards are probably better. I don't know if, like thecounts of them ore necessararily like hire or I think, an some DECS, I thinkactually the ways to draw cards might even be lower, because you know TACcall is leasent out. You know where so you're multiplying your outs, if youhave like four tag, calls bunch, India, Galins and you know regular, Synthiasor something, whereas now decks are playing like four four support line andthat's enough to get them to the game, usually because if you're agnollingyou're thinting your deck out incredibly quickly, so you know it. Supporters is enough,but if you're getting disrupted constantly how you're going to drawthem, you know poke year counts seem to be going down dramatically. Sure I think there's like give and takethere. But nevertheless you know I I got what you're saying where there's alot of stuff your oponent can draw t, and that makes them fine. I thinkcustom catchers returning is also a big deal for Travna arm yeah. So, as you know before, if you treavedmore and they have a great catcher in hand, you know they can discard theirwhole hand and play a gray catcher and that's about it. But if they have a custom gutter inhand, they can play whatever other crafpy card. o You an custom catcherfor three, and now they have a magnolia and draw ten cards in turn. So, and-and that's not, I mean obviously the deck has other resources, so we thinkabout Horror House. That is very good. I mean not. I don't think like it's toogood people, I've seen a lot of hate for the horrorhouse. I don't think it'slike youre good because of the inherent like badness of you know having toevolve. Maltmar like that, like a weakness, but Hor House is a strinte O,I think they kind of even out and in a deck or in a format. That's focused onbig basics. I just feel like the Horror House into a Dank strategy,isn't really going to work. You know against Zation decks or against ATPDX,like you're, really asking for a lot there. I I think to like having the ALTERNAEacrossmos very good. However, again you're kind of countering yourselfbecause you have to use Dedennis to set up, you may not be able to get threeMalmar out, which is, I think, about optimal, for you know, being able to unshoutanything in the format via attachment and and and attachment with theMalamars as well so thereare, some good things, but they're like countered bythe innate bad things Sur that so it's kind of a give and take that's why I dofeel like it is a valid choice. I don't like want to say to people that thextocks- I just don't, think it's the play for me, because while there are strikes they'recounterd out by the inherent weaknesses, yeah for sure, so one last big deck I want to hit on isactually another Zasan deck. Some people are opting for a Lucario mailmelow around with thersacians, where, instead of going for aggression andhigher damn jobput, they try to slow their opponent down and remove energyesfrom their buboard with th jex tech on the car met metal, reduce the damage onthe SACIANS compoundd with the frying pan. What do you think about that as eas a strategy, and is it valid, is at optimal or or is it just inferior to anTP version of Zesien? I think it's good. I mean I just think Sashians, so strongas a card and ATP does I mean that's a very like alog x attack taking thirtylass damages is pretty good. Generally speaking, tecar remember Al. You meanor yeah Lupara my model yeah h exactly, but I like to have a little bit morecontrol in my games. I feel like the Lucariu Mal metal deck. withzation isjust a little bit on the back foot. You kind of lose. You can lose your footing if youroppontent brings out something that you don't expect. So, if they're able towanch at you out of nowhere, then that can be really bad for you, becauseyou're kind of relying on this tanking stratamegy right. You know if youropponent does something that you don't expect, then it can just be a littleawkward. So I would prefer to be a little bit more in control being ableto set up the checkmates scenarios. Is a lot easier with the atps Atian deckthan it is with the Lucario Mall Medal Deck, and for that reason I think thet ATP version is superior yeah. I think that's fair, I more orless agree. I think there are definitely situations where the caramomental really shines, but also, I think one of the major weaknesses ofTucaramo metal is, if you don't have the frying pan down...

...alongside the Cario gx attack, thenjust one of those gets nullified by the ADP jecks attack right. So if you onlyhave one of those things, you're still getting ocode by ATP and they're takingmore prizes, so that seems like a pretty big flaw, whereas even ifLucario is better in some other matchups, I would hate to be losing inthat mirror match, at least in theory in my mind, so right yeah. I think you would lose the merematch. I mean we didn't get a chance to play it out, but it just seems, likeyou know, it's an unstoppable force against an immovable object, but I justthink over time you know the limitations of the card game and thelimitations of the decks and the amount of healing or no healing that you canplay like. I just think the unstoppable force is going to win that battle right,yeah, I'm inclined to agree so make sure to buy EU pers atn our ATPS, ifyou haven't already, is what we're saying I wouldn't I would the otherdeck that I think is not as good but definitely in kind ofthe Upper Eshlin. The highest echalon of dex is pikarom. Now I think it'slike s here is Ay pusation and I think likestr light is Pekerom, and I don't mean that in I don't know like any kind ofnegative way towards Pekrom, not that I don't like the deck. I think the listthat we were playing on stream were like almost perfect, basically wherethey needed to be, maybe within one or two cards of what I would take tooriginal and it just always came up short. Italways felt like it was on that backfoot, but it kind of wrecked a lotof the other decks harder than the Atpsatian deck did in some ways, so itcan has a little bit better out to to some stall. You know you have asnipe attack. You just get going a lot faster right,so you can get the turnal one fullblits. You know the turn. One attack is veryreasonable to do with Pikram, and I like it a lot. It just feels likekind of red and blue like onead to you, know one osn't really that much betterthan the other, but they're a little bit different in terms of ATP, Isation and Pekron. Ilike them both, but the gram is definitely one of the one of the topTiar decks yeah. I mean Topicoo v as well, allowing you to kind of breakthrough some damage barriers that you struggled to get outside of a Gx ttackbefore I think is actually really really strong and probably one of thebiggest benefits it gets alongside Magnolia and clickball, both beingfantastic cards and Perom. So Youh Kno, only a couple changes really needed toplay pkeram in this formant. If you're a picker on stand from the past, I actually am a little bit excited forPikaram, it's a deck that IAVE criticized a lot in the past yea in thepast nite year, but like six months or so, I haven't really liked Pakeron postrotation, but I a'm starting to warm up to theidea of it again because getting that fast, gamestate that I like with theGroun, so I'm excited to get my hands on it. Shifting gears a little bit here.We talked a lot about sword and shield and we talked a lot about Zasian. Let'snot forget the shield in Zamazenta and we're giveng away both of those cardstoday on stream. So earlier today I drew the winner of our twitter. Giveaway so if you haven't followed US already, we do do give aways on ourtwitter. It's tag, team, POK, emon on twitter. You can get all sorts ofupdates, give aways and we're going to be using it more for like decklis andstuff, like that advice and being kind of open to questions ahead of time. SoI dreathe give away. While I was watching indust stream earlier- and I am excited to reveal a I'll slide itover in front of DW's face here O it doesn't actually capture like that,because the window capture, so let me that's kind of a bummer but hold on. No, it's not even worth trying.So the winner of our giveaway is atrocious,Jake. So on twit on twitters Atrocius Jake, I think on twitch. His use nameis atrocious. Gameplay he's a stream er here on twitch as well, so be sure tocheck out his streams. He has a really fun high production value stream. I'venoticed so be sure to dms on twitter with yourinformation, and we will get that shipped out to you right away andactually a fun. Little surprise, I think, is in store for you and thosearrive so be on Lookat for that go yeah on shifting gears. Again,though, I want to talk about kind of like the long term impact of sort andshield. So in the immediate future we talked a lot about the good decks. Ithink there's things we haven't hit on and we certainly probably will hit onthose in the future. I think just stopping at the staples is probablygood for at this point in time, because we don't really know how things aregoing to pan out right, it's almost impossible to say, but what I would be interested in iswhat cards do you think in sort and...

...shield will rise to greatness down theroad? What kind of things are hidden gems in the set that might later onbecome something great, I think there's some obvious answers here. But what do you personally think are cardsthat are just waiting to be good right now, yeah, I mean Snarlock v feels likea card that should be good Y, probably more so unexpanded. Thatfeels like a good expandid card. I think the Rillaboom is probably goingto be good at some point in the future I mean it's basically just vegablereprint, so I think as like maybe post rotation that could be. You know like headinginto the next world's format like that, would be something that I would lookinto just being able to accelerate energy like that is generally prettystrong like from the deck. It's generally pretty strong, I would sayanother card. Just that I think is good and has been good in the past is Zixagoand I don't quite know how to play it, and I tho was the first card I wasthinking of when I aokay yeah, and I mean it kind of like it's hard to putinto like a deck right now or say it'sgreatness right now, because there's not really, you know it's all kind ofcentered around these big basics that have like literally so much hp thatputting ten damage on on them. They just shrug it off. You know, but I do think Zizagon you know shouldhave someplace should have someplace in the future. I just don't quite knowwhere I'm trying to find you know the viability where the viability lies withthat card. I just feel like one day the math persigs Toyo most appear in a deckand yeah. You know imagine one day they make like a Galarian, poky turn orsomething you know yeah. I could totally see that happening too, likeit's not at all outside, like the ronpossibility like a tmal poketurn orsomething yeah. You know something lacky like that, like I could totallysee H, es xecun rising the greatness. Another card I immediately think ofwhen I think of future potential is, is frosmoth and frostmoth if you'vebeen paying attention to the news and Poke beach actually just got a goldsecreter. So clearly, Pokemon has like some ID of Playon Brein for frostmoyeah. I don't know man, I mean that's likethat's one of the most beautiful cards I've seen in a while yeah frostbot islike a really cool. Looking pokemon to so definitely has a very like Gen tobibme yeah. It feels very much like a pokamin. We were talking about in aprevious podcast. How there's just some of these new pokemon that it's adigimot for sure, but the prosmoth yea feels pretty good.It's going to be kind of cool to see. I get that secret, rare and right now Ithink it's viability is very questionable. I don't beve thatquestionabl. I believe it has a good deck right now, but it kind of feelslike a realla boom to me, where they're printing these cards for, like thefuture, the future rotation and I feel like in the future- it's going to bevery good, but just right now it's really otclassify tag teams, it's justreally ot classed by any type of like the consistency of other decks, isjust way better. So I think it's hard to look out for in the future, probablypost rotation. I think right now it's a tear o three deck in the scurrentfulmap, but maybe in the future it can rise. Honestly to me, it seems likepokemon wants frosmoth to be good at some point, because not only are theyprinting this gold car, but there's also like the water bucket, which thatcard literally only exists to be played an frostmoth and standard right likethere's, no other reason to print it. You know we're all. We all agree onthat right, chat, you're with me here, so so I don't know like maybe the next Tetthey finally released a good water attacker that isn't Lapus, Vumax orKeldaob yeah. Who knows? Who knows? I think it only takes one really good, likefour energy moder energy attacker to really push it over the limit. So I'mcurious when that'll happen, if it ever does and of course, like frosmoth couldmake an apperance and expanded as well. I know Wambolt has been brewing awayand his his genius brains years returning the mechanisms are creakingback to life, as he tries to cook up a frostmoth and Perul. So who knows manwho knows there? There's got to be something cool out there, I'm right! It definitely feels like acard that has that potential. You know the formats always seem to be kind torain, DANC stecks, and I do think that water has, as opposed to like themagnazones of the past water, has some pretty viable attacks that are justbetter than whatever magnazone has had. So...

I think it's waiting it's ready to emerge, but I don't think it's readyto emerge on this woman, hey man, I was a big Magnazon Fan. I love ZORC Magazin that deck was crazy, sure yeah. I mean it wasn't good, butit was crazy right. It was crazy, it's creat. It was supervine. There was one daywhen I like actually thought it might be a viabale day and that's yeah. It was one day and outof that Andrew's apartment that day and we literally played like buzz garbversus thezor Magzim. So, like I coand beat your bogarb any day. Man and weplay like a best of nine. A T lie five im or something Awas that the was that the doublesupporter Magnazon. No, this is the acceleration metal one, the metal,ecelboration standard and standard. Oh, oh, my Gosh Hoi'm, like was thinking of a totallydifferent deck than that now we're toking O buzzle like Max likeEraveorversask, Ogot, Chagotcha or Melitalatian Magnesi, I'm kind of likecringing already. No, it was you just had to field blower and timeless themYeu and kill a muzzle, and then you wint Istowell, because he play dces as well.You know, so you just need to pit three metals and DC that that's like an orgold format, atrip that you should, you know, make into decks and that wecan always have those we can seal. Those O you Kno Ye. We've alreadyplayed the only nine games. That'll ever happen with that matchup. So maybe it's is best to leave it that way.So that way, those will historically be the only nine games in then masoeverplay right, maybe you're right the so I don't know I'm just like thinking thatmight be a kind of historican its own right, yeah, so yeah. But I like energy accelerationwho doesn't it' Super Fun. I would love to see frosmot be good. I'd love to seerealof tem be good because Grooky frecking rules, man that guyis awesome cool and I want to say that there could bepotential in the intelion line just because their abilities are so good.Yeah like I could see a world where there's a deck that plays that it could be a great thing at like Stagetwo deks you just play like a one one desile line and you can grab the rarecandy. I don't know it's like you can evolutionary and you can poke them onsearch for rare candy, which seems right right. It could be okay, I meansure absolutely like all those seem again like they seem like they wereprinted for a new format. It kind of reminds me of like this warmat with thenew set sortan shield coming out reminds me a lot of twsand Y ten. Whenyou had. You know all these primes that just really weren't playable, becausethere were all these good. You know as Wy as Pece Yeah EAN. I was likethinking, Cyrus Pokeemon and that's kind of true, but there're. All thesegood sps, Oyeah everything like they body chimes, butthen all of a sudden, like the rotation happens, and now these primes are justinsanely good. You know the Yonmega prime, that just got destroyed by the the luxry level x now is a veryexyou know, very, very vauable card and so expensive to very expensive. Yes, it feels to me like that you know if you do have an inkling of acard that you think is good frostmoth rilaboom. Basically, all the startertrio final evolutions, FROSMOK, maybe pick those up now before you know,rotation happens. Yeah, you never know what might come up down theline of theline, so I think hey've had on a lot of interesting points about sord andshield. The last thing I'd want to ask you about is, I know you were tryingout some kind of rogue strategies to you know, maybe just to prank antwer alittle bit, maybe to get the juices is flowing creatively in your mind. Whatare you liking as a rogue archetype going into Sword Shield for the peoplewho don't like to play those top metadecs? What dos? The back for them!Well, we were playing a lot of Whimscott, that's kind of Andrew's,favorite deck, and I think it does have a lot of merits. I don't think it's theworst sec in the format. It's definitely far from the best teck inthe format, but you can really choose a lot of a lot of decks with Wimsacot andit's very fun to play. It's very cool. It gains a lot of new consistency cards,namely Azamazent an quickball, and you know it sets up better than it didin the past whether or not the way you phrasethatits kind of. What's that the way you phrase that definitely made itsound like it wasn't necessarily high praise. Well, it's just the problemwith that deck is like you want. You want like seven bench spots, but youonly have five, and so you run out of space very quickly when you need toplay things like the DENNA. I think I...

...zation is very good in the deck a youneed to play like a Blitzel or is zup strike a line, and so all of a sudden,you're running out of you know you had to choose like okay. Do I want oneporigon or o? I want one wis a cot and then, when you're making those kinds ofchoices like that's, definitely not where you want to be with a setup deck and so yeah, it'svery good, yeah, very fun yeah. I think so. Howwas the Shit injadeck that you tried out? Shatinjedek was very good, very, verystrong. We really enjoyed it and I feel, like stall, is a very viable arcitypeyeah for the people who can't are coming from tricky. Jim Stream. Frankactually got second at the Little League tournament. They hadtoday with a rogue kind of stall mill, deck featuring mecargo gx to finish offthe opponent's deck at the end of the game, so kind of cool strategy. Therepross to frank, so cool yeah. I would, I think,ShildN'tja and Wimsa cont are both pretty awesome. Roe COTOGIES, jollyfling man calls out a cargogx is an awesome strategy as well super cool andthen baby blowns with Araci, I think, is probably not even T. it's teeteringoff the Rogeline to me where it's like people are playing baby, wins a lotsure and I think now we're good edding. I Igood point where we cound start taking some chack questions. So let's justdive right into that lenneal three ass have either of us. Looked at Leberosinderace the brew Ar I think it's Labero, because it'slike Ibero or something right, like your Libero, it's like volleyball I's that I thinkthat's a term an an right N, a sport. So I I don't do Athis Man Yeah right!Well, you wouldn't know about sports IG, yeah SSINTERISE, I mean yeah, it's cool. Idon't think it's, maybe as good as rilabum or or intelion, even but it may have itsown deck. At some point I mean it's kind of a cool ability that we haven'treally seen before and just any time that you're able to get energy backlike you, gotta got to have that kind of there's a validity to that, probably not in this format. Again, Ithink it's a little bit too slow, you're, relying on a stage to in in aformat that isn't that kind of stage tos. So I don't love it for this format,but looking ahead could be good yeah, I'm kind of with you there elast canhear. I asked what do you think of the new energy designs? I personally thinkthey're really really sick. I Love Them Jus. Can we all just agree as acollective that the TAG team energies were awful? They looked horrible, notthat good, no, the G, they might be the worst energies. I don't think worst energy, because,like the yx era, energies looked so BA, like they were so plain that I don'tknow, man that tag team border just was so ugly on the energy yeah. But madesense, though, is the problem thiis the problem. It made a ton of sense, it very onbrandof them to do that, so I think it had its. I think it had its time. I don'tknow I liked the sun and moon just normal, like s heck anyone's, look crisUSIC, they do yeah. Well, let's Walli says here: Will Colsville Meta beshaken up or do you think people will stay with the Romal with the reliables? I think a mixture of both I think we'regoing to see a shift in people's metagame. I think there also is goingto be some definite new inclusions. STROLAXS TEMAX has been talked about,Manchino kind of stall decks have been talked about, but I think we're also going to seekind of a rise of decks. That kind of benefit from the way the format isplayed now. So egg row is a great example where it going. Second gets ahuge advantage over hits opponent because they can't play half theircards going one turn and can't play the SUPPORTA guard to the next turn. Soit's just it gets or flipped out. They can't play there's port cards the firstterm and can't play half their deck. But item card is the second turn, so itjus ets, really rough, really fast. Andbut, of course, like olderliable islike dark, ANDZORARC and we'll probably stay around yeah yeah. I mean, I just think like the Zorkenichedex, the turbadark stuff,probably stays and honestly it should get a lot better. I would say that onecar that you're playing that you can immediately swap out and do like a onefor one- is the trainer smails with quickballs, so I think the deck willbecome ultraball and quickball Max, because I feel like every time you goin with shaming or every time you go in with a trainer small you're. Justlooking for that next ultra ball to...

...like chain- and you know- that'sactually a huge deal so having more ouds to draw- is going to be big and Ithink the decks. The terbro dark decks just get like an insane amount of droppotential with with quickball, in addition to ultrabal. So, look for theturbodecs to move in that direction, where they're playing higher acounts ofyou know, instead of just having the four ultrabal look for them to playlike for six to eight in combination of total accounts of the quickball andUlchball, and then higher accounts of shamen in the Denne to be able to youknow overcome prizing one so th t they can get that explosive turn. One starteven with the new rules right. So so we got a couple questions related toobstagon. First, what do we think about? OBSTAGUND will have any impact on theMENA and then in conjunction with Cebliv, what are our continued dots onthat kind of archetype? I guess that is beginning to rise up, JAA DU you haveany thoughs in ofistgn I mean obstruct, is a pretty strong attack right now,yeah, it's good! I just worried that, because people are playing feon for alot of very good reasons that it just obstagran is caught in the crossfire.So if you just feeon a way they're active, then you can knock out anythingon the Brench and like so then you're an obstacen player, and you have toforce yourself indup trying to get out only an obstargoon in play, but thenthat just feels tough with the stage to to only get the stayshume right. Itjust feels rected to try to do that, so I feel like obstacun. Yes, it has kindof a cool attack that we've seen before that's very strong, but I don't know that it has the juice todo what it needs to do, and you know I didn't watch the tricky jam tream todaywas was it represented at all? I don't think so yeah. I worry that it's waiting to have its power unlocked. Idon't know that the good list is ot, that a good list is not there yet iadeck to watch for sure. But I youknow the bould prediction would be that it doesn't have a place in this Metagame, primarily for the reason of custom catchers being back in deck andthe FEOL right. I definitely think that it suffers a lot from crossfire. Alsosetting up a stage to in the current format doesn't seem recommended to me.I got to say- and you know, there's a lot of thingsthat can go wrong when you play a deck that relies on blocking off theopponent. That being said, though, what are your thoughts on kind of a sable IVspread into body archetype sable I be spread into what untildustbody them with insane damage. Oh, I see, maybe is there a WA? Is there a goodway to like accelerate energy onto sable ling, not really that I can thinkof which is the hardest part of the deck? I would imagine that just seemslike e the limiting factor there, because, if you're not able to get up aa backup attacker, then you should just kind of get blown through right, O Ay,Tommyc Voi says baday yeah. That's not a good action, though fel correct to me,but you know again, maybe it's a deck towatch out for in the future. I just think that the two attachments are justso huge, so I wouldn't mind Baday if you didn't,have to also evolve a stage to right so, like you have to be able to draw likeyour Bata, like with Geraci, getting a Bada off, isn't inconceivable, but thenalso evolving a stage to and getting another energy and then doing that.Like a second turn in a row, that's not happening. You know, that's crazy, so Ithink that's where the deck starts to fall. Apart a little bit. That being said, though, I did hearthat Eveltal gx with the th knockout gx attack, has been boughtout, which is very funny because that card is kind of crappy outside of likevery specific use. Cases like this, so it nos interesting. I don't know what Idon't know if that's pure just like speculation or if someone has like somecrazy same Li bething going on, but problem is like you would need to haveall four of your zings are goine down without prissing one right, Bu ones,ixacune until one O obstage and Knox Yeah. I guess that just doesn't wt's. U Oneenergy right so like you can go with the one stabe like knock ot, a TAK teamand then, if a'll tell aother thing, it feels like a lot of wishful thinking.It feels like a lot of wish. Look Man, it's not! Sometimes you got a wish. You know.That's right! Yu is sure...

...you just pay STAV IV awesome. So I haven't thought in my head, but youhonestly just kind of like pulverized it with your singing goodfair. If it couldn't, you know, cut throughthe singing, then I don't think I was worth saying. I had like a plan, but now i 's it'sjust completely a race for my mind, okraht. So you know what I guess I'm just notgoing to ask that question then sounds like a good end to the cat. Hav likesomething I thought was a great idea and that's gone ohwhat, a shame. Man,that's a shame that was that was probably the deck. You know the tournament winning deckidea that you were her wasn't like a dacket on the vancoes. Here's just agood question. Th, you know. Sometimes you have a good one. An you're likeready, you know, marinate it and your brain and or bring it back next time.You know what I think it's just gone forever. I think that portion of mybrain just Nel Id ut, it's GOINNA, like fall out of my ear or something. But you know that's fine. So it'sreally thing else. You want to make sure we hit on this week with TATJW.Now I think we have a just a really good overview of kind of how themetagame is going to shape up what we think of the toptics and what we thinkof some of the bad backs in the format. Again, there should be a lot of thingsthat we haven't talked about. We didn't really talk about any of the fire decks,so I'm thinking things like Resh Ramin, Zec excuse me, Pikaram, not rezard were just all struggling outhere. We didn't touch on. You know: Torcol MAG, cargo, there's one otherfire deck that I'm blinking on, but we just haven't. You know we haven'treally touched on those, so you know there'r. That just goes toshow that there's still a lot of indecks out there that people aft a lotof variations that I think we just haven't quite seen for current decks.You know me to is a deck with kind of you know just limited possibilities,but you look at something like ADP, which can have you know many differenttech attackers or many different alternate attackers that it can go with.You know, there's just a lot of things that we could see that maybe put littlespins on the on the current ex right yeah I mean there's clearly going to beall sorts of carryover from this format. I'm excited to see where things go. Wedeliberately left some things out this week because we don't really know- andwe want to- we want to hit on things as they come up as well. So I think thatbrings us to healthy close here. For this week, make sure you check us outon twitter at tag team Pokemon for the podcast witter and then atmilh Ryles,and at the real John Walter for all of our personals and also be sure to go on.Google and vote for the Pokmon of the year, if you haven't already, if youjust Google, search that you can vote for every generation, make sure youvote for Pcu and Gen to because he choos the goat, so ight and then other than that make sure youcheck out full grip, creams and fullgrip Codescom for your card andcode needs. They will hook you up with that good good, and with that I thinkwe're about ready to piece out see Youlat everyone. Thank you guys forlistening and we'LL CATCH YOU NEXT TIME.

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