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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 2, Episode 12 · 2 years ago

2-11. The Best of the Best

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are back to discuss what Pokemon make the top of their lists for the best designed in each generation. Catch some hot takes and cool Pokemon!

What's up everybody? Welcome to tag team, that pokemon treating card games premier podcasting duo. My name is Riley Holbart. Joined for my good friend JW crew. All, JW, how you doing today? I'm just dancing and chilling. Riley, how are you dancing and chilling? I mean really just not much left to do besides those things. Oh well, I think I've exhausted all other possibilities. Enough, fair enough. Done anything fun over last week? Oh well, played a lot more terrorforming Mars. I played in the invitational this weekend and beyond those two things, you know, just trying to improve my life, improve my you know, surroundings, and stay ahead on, you know, making food and things like that. We just made about two hundred dumplings. That's a lot of dumplings, which we have been eating over the last couple days and have at least like four more meals of so that's pretty fun. Yeah, and we made some scallion pancakes as well. Macaroons are macarrones. It's been a busy week of cooking in the Creole household. Very Nice, very nice. Well, you gotta eat, for sure, bloys, got to eat. That's right, gotta get a big wrong. That's what I say. That's all right, cool. Well, I think I'm kind of interested to hear about how the love less call Firo went for you. I know for sure that you did not only well in day one, ended with a ten and three record. That's right, yeah, ten of three. So tell us about the experience of the tournament it's like from an overarching standpoint, and then you can hit on any particular rounds that you thought were interesting or exciting. Sure, I thought it was really, really nice that it was just it was able to happen. We had a little bit of problem around round three, just as with battlefly, smashed gg also kind of took a nose dive right about that round four time period. There was a point where they were telling people not to even refresh the server because it was crashing, as there were, you know, other tournaments, other big tournaments, being ran at the same time, and it was at that point that I was getting really scared. You know, the first two rounds had taken about an hour each and then they had told us, you know, okay, round three. Some people had gotten their pairings for round three and played and then they were trying to input their results and then some people hadn't gotten pairings and it was just a big, big mess there and I was like okay, for like not again. You know, I'm hoping for the sake of the organizers and limitless and Poton store and anyone involved in this, that it just wouldn't happen again. But thankfully we weathered that storm and the rest of the rounds were pretty smooth. I would say from about round five on it was just as ideal as you could get, where they were pairing very quickly and they were, you know, kind of getting us on our way. One thing that was different this time around, as far as I remember, is that they weren't pairing everybody together. They had split the tournament into four pods and that way each pod had a leader, kind of a timekeeper, and I thought that was a really good, you know innovation, of positive innovation from the first event, where you just had everyone in the same pool, so if one match was late, then every single person was, you know held up. But in this way they kind of mitigated that by dividing it up into essentially for smaller tournaments for day one and then cutting to you know top whatever one, twenty or something. However, many people were able to go on today two, so I thought that was really nice. That really smooth things out and overall I would say that it was a seven out of ten experience. If we're going just based on, you know, round five and on, it was a ten out of ten experience and we just had a few hiccups early, but would definitely play again. That's super awesome. An's a pretty long review, especially if those last last couple around or not even last but like the latter half of the tournament. Yeah, yeah, they did a really nice job after kind of all the things got ironed out, after people got used to the smash gg website and after smash like fixed the problems on their end. I don't know what was going on over there. So really, really well done, especially strong second half of the tournament. That's super cool. So tell us a little bit about your tournament run. What did you play? What kind of matchups were you seeing? Like not only that you played against, but we're common in the event. And obviously, how did your tournament end up in day two? Sure, I felt really, really Nice Day one, where I started out Owen one. I was playing ATP Zation and my I guess...

...the interesting things about my list was that I included a one of energy switch for the stall mill decks and a four count of Marnie for those decks for baby bith Cephalon, and so I felt very confident with the deck going in. I was, you know, telling people about it, saying hey, this is the play. I was giving out my list, I posted on my discord, I had played on the Stream. You know, I wasn't very shy about saying that this was what I was going to play and then I thought it was the best deck, and I mean even when we talked about on the podcast, just saying that this is the best deck, this is what I was going to play and I was very confident in it. And Day one definitely was my day, you know, as opposed to day too, but I went ten and four on day one. Started off Owen one and then ripped off a nine game win streak, which was pretty exciting and pretty fun. I played some just very interesting decks. I want to highlight in round six. At this point I was five and one for in one and I hit a dark box, which I thought was very interesting. I just don't know how that deck survives against ATP at all, and then I played a couple of bus left bliss CEPHALON's. The mirrors were just so horrible. There were. Those were actually most of my losses, and day one I ended up playing three. No, I ended up playing for mirror, for true mirrors. I went second and, I believe, two of them and lost those, and then I went first and two of them and won those. And then I played a pseudo mirror with the ATP spirit tomb deck. That was Ross's list and I ended up losing to that as well. I can't remember if I went first or second, but that that deck definitely, you know, keeps better pace than the just normal eight psations by way of attacking with a one prize attacker. And then I played a firebox that ended up making top eight, I believe. I was just really impressed by how strong my opponents weren't a one, because I just faced against a lot of people that, you know, ended up having very positive records after day one and a couple people that ended up making top for top eight, so that was very cool. Played against a couple of Malli me two and day one and when all in said, it was said and done, I finished ten and for the best matchup that I had was not really the result of any strong game play, I would say, from day one there, but it was the result of a Miss Click where I was playing a baby blith Cephalon deck and I'm kind of dead drawing and just like a little bit tilted, and then I go up and promote my atp and I just click done. I have the to energy on it and instead of using the gx attack, I just passed my turn and that was really embarrassing because I was streaming it. You know, there were fifty, a hundred people whatever in the stream there and I just like I get so mad, I like let out a little, you know, yell, because of course you don't want to don't want to just pass your turn, especially in a matchup like that. So I was pretty upset and managed to pull back, managed to just marny him into kind of a suboptimal hand. Had A few kind of unique plays with Fione and we just got there in the end. So that was really, really exciting. Those probably the highlighted day one. And then moving into day two, I thought the the one comment criticism that I had, and I guess I kind of understand it and I'll explain, I think, why they did it. But the one comment that I had was that they should have kept the resistance from day one over into day two, as in you play like records. So I was ten and for but on the first round of day too, I ended up playing an aid in five player, in grant manly, and you know, I think I'm, you know, salty. I lost, but you know, it's just a really interesting, interesting decision, I think, for them to kind of reset the brackets and that's something I would like to see. You know, I would not like to see in future tournaments. But I ended up playing grant lost to him with the BEHEM. I think the reason that they decided to just wipe the bracket clean was because they were trying to account for the eight and five players that got in when they maybe shouldn't. Shouldn't have gotten in. But they made a they made a benefit for the first tournament being canceled, where if you went to and Oh in that first tournament, then you needed one lass win to make it into the second day of competition in the most recent qualifier. So when, when that happened, I think they just reset everything because...

...if they didn't reset, then it would be practically impossible for a an eight and five player to make, you know, top eight. I don't think any eight five players made top eight. I think the closest one went seven and O and got, you know, top sixteen. But I think that's why they did it. I don't have like confirmation. I just thought that was a really weird thing. I hope they don't continue that for future tournaments. And then the rest of the day too, was pretty bad. I had one I was talking to you before the Stream. I had one matchup against some MEG cargo gx where they ended their turn with like a single slugma, maybe about three to five cards in hand. You know, nothing, not no real big hand or anything like that, nothing that would make me think that they had anything flashy coming out. But then on their next turn they welder twice onto their slugma attach and they get the the get the ability off and they do three hundred damage to my atp and I was just like okay, man, you got it, like you hit everything there. And there is just a couple games like that. I played against an ultimate mewtwo that played it perfectly well, perfect like exactly how you would play it and it was just crazy because he had just every single card that you would want in every single situation. You know, he always had the chaotics well, or he had the you know, the right energy, or you had the indeed to heal off the ten damage that I needed to like maybe take a watch. You know, it's just like every little thing, every little advantage that I look for, he was able to take away. So it was really, really well done. But Yeah, day too is I would say day one I was on the positive side of the variance and then I would just say day two as on the negative side of variance. Ended up total record of twelve and eight, which, you know, could have been better, but I'm happy that I put myself in a position to to you know, potentially when the turn with my day one finish. Yeah, I mean still, overall, I think a great a good run. Things a fault, things happen in day to all the time and all sorts of people. So right, it's not like a poor reflection on you. If you have played against guild opponents and at close games, I think that's that's still awesome. So talk about a little bit about your atps Oshtion list. It seemed like overall was a good choice. There was a, from my understanding of what people are saying, a pretty high amount of those kind of disruption style decks. So them Marny kind of energy switch addition was probably a positive one overall. Yeah, would you change anything about it moving forward? Well, and we had talked about this just a little bit before the Stream, but you know, I was I was on the right track with the energy switch idea and I think that if I were to play the deck again, I would probably move closer to what the winning list was like. He played three energy switch in the winning list. I don't know that I'm ready to go there, as I felt even one energy switch, you know, shifted the male matchup considerably. But I would consider, you know, potentially played to I liked the for Marnie. I thought that they were the perfect disruption and it always felt like I had them whenever I needed and again, very, very good against let Cephalon and the mill decks. So the Marnie I'm a little less willing to compromise on. I think four is is correct. I would never go back down to two. Three you could maybe get away with. But overall liked the list a lot you can go to my discord if you want to see the list that I played in its entirety, but I would say it was it was on the right track. The biggest change that I could consider in terms of like a metagame shift, since there will be likely a ton of stall and mill, would be a second energy switch. Yeah, I think that's all fair. It's a's pretty crazy how these online tournaments just ended up being a breeding ground for firstall decks, it feels like. Yeah, yeah, it was pretty crazy. I felt good again about the list. I played a couple of stall so I didn't see a single stall in day two, which I thought was very unusual, as it had poached the top four seeds from every single pod and was just racking up the winds even even not you know, even in the kind of ten eleven win realm from day one, and so I was a little surprised not to see a single mill in day two. But I did face a couple during day one and pretty handily beat them. One dead drew and then the other one the other game. It just kind of came down to the last you know turn right where it's okay, I have maybe ten cards and deck or something and if he mills out my last custom catcher then I lose, but if he doesn't, then I win. It was that kind of thing. So very close game there, but felt very comfortable against mill my listed and I would have been happy to play more of it. I just thought, you know, yeah, it'll be interesting to see where the metagame shifts if, you know, people do decide to put more energy switch into their ATP.

Where does mill go from there? Yeah, for sure. And another thing I think was really interesting about your list, in the choices that you made, was the for Marni option. I mean it feels like Mardy is Constantly Ping ponging around with how people feel about it. People thought it was incredible, then people kind of are off it for a while and then towards playing to and that game standard. What inspired you to go all the way with for well, I just figured that it helped in a ton of matchups. I feel like you kind of always want to see it in every single matchup. In the difference between Marnie and something like reset stamp is just that Marnie is a decent draw card, you know, I mean it. It does a lot for you in a lot of in a lot of ways it's almost a better a better research and in some ways where you get to keep those resources. Now they go to the bottom of the deck, but you do get to keep them. So if you have a gust in hand that you know you're going to need later in the game, you can just save that. And so marning four, five and a lot of situations is not the worst thing. Ever, so to have that higher, have that higher, you know, supporter counts. I felt like was very important to maintain the consistency that you're looking for with the deck like ATP yeah, I think those are all pretty awesome points. Well, canratulations Shw on a good run. I hope to see more continued success from you and future limitless qualifiers, perhaps one's including rebel clash. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I hope that that that all goes very smoothly. I'm looking forward to getting some testing into the format with the rebel clash involved. But it was a lot of fun. Yeah, everybody that came out to the twitch stream. I just had a ton of fun streaming and overall the POKEMON trading card game had just an amazing amount of viewership for that day. It was it was quite the testament to the tournament that there were just so many creators and so many viewers that showed up on that day. It was pretty cool. That is really awesome. Put My community is still thriving even under these trying times. Very cool. So I think another thing that we want to bring up today was we thought it was really fun the other week to pick all the worst pokemon and we came to the list that I personally was pretty satisfied with. Yes, I think jaw would probably agree. So this week we decided to do kind of the opposite. It was something a lot of people on chat we're asking about when we did their review, and so now we're going to look at some of the best pokemon. That's right. I have, and JW has as well, picked out what he and I think are the best designed or thematic or you know, what have you, pokemon from every generation and the kind of the the trick of this is that we have to come to some sort of agreement, you know, when it comes and where I was talking to JW, it's not going to be quite the same, I think, for Best Pokemon, because I think there's more like intimacies, personal feelings involved with the being the best versus the worst. Right. So I can't imagine it'll be as perfect of a compromise as we would saw with the worst pokemon. That being said, I still think we can get some really cool discussion and, you know, maybe we can see points in certain ways. If you want to move on, what kind of Gage it does we go? So I think, like last time, it'd be fun just to go from the bottom and to the top, especially with the best pokemon. I like hearing the best gen one POKEMON would probably for sure at the sure, sure, soactly, Jeff Wy, don't you kick us off. What do you think is the best pokemon from generation eight? Sword Shield? I don't know if this is a cop out at all, because I don't know your feelings and I don't know the general pokemon communities feelings on Jen Eight, but for me I feel like I got to cut out for me. I'M gonna cut out for me. Catch me saying for me. Yeah, of course it's for you, tell me, of course it's for me. I this is my opinion. It's more Pico or more yeah, I really enjoy more PICO. I really enjoy this kind of like a dual feel, you know, it's got. It's got the angry version. It's kind of cool to me. Me, it's kind of reminds me of a her minds me of what do you call those little I don't know, kind of reminds me like a kinders surprise in a way. I don't I don't know why. I just has that Nice like around rectangle, round rectangle shape and it's just very pleasant to look at. That's really funny. I don't think I would ever like paged you down as someone who would have picked like the Pikachu of the generation as being, yeah, well, and and that's it too, I because I was looking back on like the other Pika Schoos, you know, you look at more Pica or Paturisu, you look at lost all mine in peach you to an extent, I mean a Mulga exactly, and I was like,...

...well, I really think more Pico is the best one of those. And then it just kind of stands out to me as being a really strong pokemon from Jena, which has some stinkers, like we discussed in the last in the last worst episode. So I really enjoyed more Pico. I think it's a great design for Pokemon and I really especially enjoy the kind of dual nature of it. That is I think that's really interesting. I like I said, I never would have thought you would have picked a generation Spikachu now as your favorite. I think more Peko's really good and it is actually this might be one of the easiest ones to compromise on, because more peko was definitely one of the ones I was considering. To put it down for me, I chose Dragon Pole and okay, I think Dragon Pole is just so cool and I think, what do you think of Pokemon like diggle it or and dug trio and, you know to do oh Dodrio they you know, we both kind of echo that like it was a little bit lazy and and like Yeah, a design standpoint, but I think dragon pul like takes that kind of idea and brings it to a place or it's actually interesting and cool down. You know, it's like this mother protecting her young who also like go out and fight for her. Or, you know, however you want to interpret it. You know, just maybe just a cannon and missiles or, you know, artillery or whatever. Either way, I think it's just super, super interesting, really fun as a cool like them to it as well, just like this ghost dragon. You know, it's got this ethereal nature to it. I mean, ever since I saw dragon poll and, I didn't spoil any of the POKEMON and Jen Aight, so first time I saw it, this is when I was flaying through the game like this thing is awesome, this thing is so sick. Yeah, it's kind of very late design. It's very you know, the Nice angles on the head, but then a very kind of curved body, and it just it works. You know, you kind of understand the essence of what they're going for because it's kind of cool looking. You know, it's kind of mysterious, kind of cool, kind of aggressive all in one, and that that makes it so you can look at this pokemon through, you know, many different lenses and I guess going on that, I mean that's that's why I like more Pico. You know, it has these many different all two different ways to look, but you know, in that sense it's still has kind of a changing perspective. Right, I look at it and I could see that dragon poult is is cool and you could look at it and see that Dragon Pultz is mysterious, and I think that kind of that kind of ambivalence or that that questioning makes for a really great design. Yeah, the one thing with more Pico as I wish that the like the angry dark form had like a more noticeable impact on more Pico, like as a pokmon like it's not really reflected in the cards at all, yet it's in the Games. It only affects like one move, which to me is kind of, I don't want to say like a cop out, but like I feel like they could have expanded more on that idea. And of course dragon pull, like the dreepes and the head like are only reflected in one move, I guess, but I feel like that is better expressed at least like through it's easier to express and something they are maybe not easier for something they've put a more active effort into, like expressing throughout all of like Dragon Pole and like it's cards and it's you in game representation and are like there's so much personality. Like even the dreepies like they're like little happy little guys up there and Jaggerle it's just you know, waddling around with them. I don't know, right, fun right, that's funny. So have we come to any have we come to any agree means? Have you? Have you conceded? I mean I will conceive that the Dragon Bull does is an extremely cool pokemon. It's got a lot of unique features to it that makes it stand out amongst the rest. I I think I wouldn't be at necessarily opposed to more Pico being our choice. However, I'm always hesitant to choose the Pika choose for stuff like this, and I feel like dragon bull represents some more original space. Okay, fair enough, fair enough. So for Jen Eight, we officially stamp its best pokemon design, dragon poults. All right, jen seven the land of Sun and Movement. So yes, yes, yes, they shouldn't had more stinkers, I feel like, than average, Ye, honest, but I think I had some that were pretty cool too. Okay, my personal pick is mimic you, and I know I just yell, drag down, like the Pikachu idea, but I think mimic completely twisted that into a place that was is almost like parading the idea of having a Pikachu for the generation. Sure, and that was super, super cool to me. And you know, more Pika or sorry, mimic you is like it's cute, it's fun.

It's got this ghost fairy typing which is super interesting and you know, the Lore behind Mimicu is just really interesting to me. You know, it's just like horrifying creature that everybody just like hates, but it just wants to be love lowd and you know, it sees that Peka shoot and it's funny because it's like kind of Meta, you know, because like in it sees Pikachu is loved in the pokemon world, which is like yeah, you know, that's obviously just like reflecting upon the real world in that case. Sure, it's like so it just is itself up as a Pikacho to try and Garner love and attention for itself. It's very Meta. Yeah, it's very like it's like a medicommentary on like Pokmon and like where we put our attention. And I just think overall, like it really hit the day all the head for what I was trying to accomplish news and what it was trying to accomplish was already something that was cool and fun and interesting. Okay, cool, cool, cool, cool, I can see that. Did you know that mimic you had a busted form. Yeah, so the maybe cue bust. So in the game, maybe Qu originally its head is like straight up and the bust and form, I think, is the one. Actually it's on the cars and it's just like the hit. The disguise basically breaks in, the head tilts over and so it's like still intact, but like it's obvious now that it's like a fake thing. It's like not, it's true form. Huh, I had no idea, yeah, that there was a busted form. Yeah, it's easier to understand like within the video games, I think, then like the card games that we would typically consume. Gotcha, got you. I mean I played, I believe I played this Gen, but I don't ever remember getting a mimic you or getting to an area where it was common. So yeah, yeah, interesting of the busted form. Huh, that's very cool. All right. Well, for me, Dang it, I did it again. That's tough. It's too so the best pokemon the unquestionable. I maybe I just need more confidence. I feel like I'm using for me is like a cover because I'm not confident my choice. If I am just me, you know, I'm going to be confident in my choice. Generation Seven's Best Pokemon JW approved, is Rowlett. Yeah, I mean I love Rowlett like there's a little rock. The S rally roulette is so playful and so adorable, but it really has a nice you know where it's going, like you for me, I fully understand that the pokemon is going to get stronger, you know it's gonna get bigger, but it's just a perfect little capsule. Is like a little nugget as a pokemon nugget I just want to eat right up. They'll bow tie is very cute. Well, eyes, they're just very unassuming. And then his role in the anime kind of brings the Y character by light. Yeah, he just he goes ham and the Anima. I mean it's just a very like comedic, comedic character. So that's what I love about Ralllett. You know, say nothing about winning a regional with Ralllett, but it just to me has so much personality in such a small package. Yeah, I mean this is probably one or more easily concede on because you know, I try to remove some of my personal feelings from my choices. But ROLLTT is actually one of my top three favorite pokemon ever. And for those of you who are listening and can't see my background. Actually have this big shelf with Pikachu's all over it, but then there's one, one shelf out of the unit that is dedicated entirely to Roulett. So, yeah, a raalt is awesome. I totally agree with what you're saying. It's like the theme of it, you know, mean this little squirt grass owl who will definitely has like tricks up its sleeve that will grow up to be something in great is very well communicated and it's body language and like shape and form. Yeah, I think roblet knocks out of the park. So I'll just can see that one right away. You don't? Yes, we've done it's okay. I was worried that because generally I feel like the design of the pokemon gets gets more intricate and therefore more exciting the more evolved you get and or the more legendary the pokemon is. But it's just I was looking very hard through gen seven and really all the gems, but but this one struck me as just being one of those basic on a you know, not yet evolved Pokemon that does have future revolutions. That just is is perfect by itself. Yeah, I totally agree. Role it could not evolve and I would still love him. That's right, that's all I'm saying. Great Pokemon. It kind of Harkens back more to, I feel like, the very simple, fun design starters of Gen one and two. Good Point. I feel like starters got more complicated over time. Otherwise, good point. Cool. So Jens six X and Y...

...era, it felt there's a little bit of contention here for the worst pokmon. I'm curious. So you think is the best one? HMM. Well, this is the first legendary that I will present and I don't know where you fall here. I'm sure you'll say that it's a very nice pokemon and that you like it, but I just really love the colorful ness of it, the kind of regal status. I already know you're going with this. Cerinius. Yeah, I actually I figured you're going to say Sarius is. You said it was a legendary. Really, yeah, okay, interest. Why is that? I don't know. I don't know. Like I feel like Sarnias has I feel like there anything else? Are Actually both really good? Yes, but Zarnias is like just a better design, I think, more interesting, more fun to look at. Yeah, yeah, CERN veltel, I think, has a problem with posture where, if in the certain if in certain you know, postures, I guess it looks way worse than others. Right, if it's in this kind of like attacking posture that we see on the card, then it looks very, very cool. It just kind of struggles when it's I don't know, I guess flying or anything like that. But zarnias looks cool if it's prancing, if it's standing, if it's running, if it's leaping, I mean it just it all looks cool and any in any animation. I've seen Sarnias and it looks very, very slick, very very clean and fresh and exciting. Yeah, and I think Cernaias it gives off that right vibe that they were going for there. I think my understanding was they are kind of going for like that like Nordic, like you dray's little kind of thing with all those legendaries, and Cernais like perfectly kind of fits into like that realm of real world. Laura. I feel like that's kind of this life bearing like and seeing Golden Antler kind of creature. Sardeis was definitely one of my top choices for this generation this generation. Actually, I kind of struggled more than I thought I would in gen six, to be honest. There's a couple really good ones and so I'll just take that right into my pick for gen six. Before I say my actual thick I'll give a couple more that I thought were worth mentioning. Yeah, that I got a really good I think gre Ninja is actually a really, really good design. It perfectly like combines like the frog and the Ninja into like one cohesive thing and it's really cool and I know a lot of people like don't dig the tongue. I think it's I think it's cool. Yeah, it's like it would be gross in real life, but obviously, like all sorts of pokmon to be gross in real life, you know. Right, all right, so I don't think that's a problem. I think Hallo shows another one that was like really, really fun and really cool. Sure, it took the legit or element perfectly, but the actual one that I picked, and I'm curious, I feel like you might hate this one, but I chose agga slash. I know, no, I was just saying don't. I was like, I'll forgive him. I literally had that thought. I was says anything but ages. Yeah, I do. For sure you'd hate yours, and maybe that's like subconsciously why I chose it. But but I think a slash is really, really cool, man. I think it's awesome. Like it. It would I feel a little bit better. I feel like in the sword and shield generation. But right like the stands change is cool. At the King Shield concept, like combining with his ghostly elements is interesting. The whole line is like an interesting set of like Lauren polka x entries to it. Yeah, you're just all about the the ghost type ghost, apparently. I mean actually, I don't think I have any other ghost types in the rest of my list. I think it, but I ghost types. I think we're more interesting in the last couple generations and they were in the rest of the generations. Sure, where they're just like spirits or ghosts or whatever. Sure, yeah, I don't know. I think ash is just really really cool. I and I'm sure that you don't like it for whatever reason. Well, I just worry that it's very it's just too obvious. They just took an item, they animated it and then here it is. You know, I understand that the concept school different forms are pretty cool. But just like, you know, I look at a look at a pokemon like pultageist and I say, okay, you know, they animated a teapot. Great, whoop do you do? I look at a Pokemon like Gore geist. They animated a Pumpkin. All right, big whoop, you know, and then it's just kind of that it's actually a Jack Lantern. Oh, okay, fair enough, I'll concede on that. But ages, they just took a sword and then we're like hey, let's let's make it move, and here we go. I'm like, hant...

...edge is closer to that, you know, like I not just is just a sword, you know, with an eyeball, which you can have an opinion on that. But I like how you glash has like the I don't know what to call it, but like the like the tassels on the blade or whatever, like services are like I feel like they took that in a cool direction, you know, it like they like Agis, like hot edge is just a sort of the face, do blocky, as you like to call it, do blade. You know, it's just two stores with faces and a shield behind though, but you know it, slash is wielding a shield. You know, it's actually like it took that to a more like animated space than just being like a sword that moves. I'm having a hard time right now. It's I will never I would gladly you can see that's Ernis is is the best gensis. Like I like their any is a lot. I think it was a phenomenal but come on, it's actually something I was leaning towards choosing, but I just like wasn't really feeling choosing amuncial legendaries either. Well, fair enough. I mean that because that's kind of where I was talking about a little bit earlier and just saying that the designs get a little bit more intricate the more you know if they're legendary or if they're a stage two. Generally, the more marketable pokemon are kind of the biggest and strongest, and so, yeah, it does get kind of easy to just choose those more intricate pokemon in those big ee strong e types. Yeah, so I'll give you serniest, but I still think agga slash is cool and I like agash. He's all angels. Agas stands, just know that Riley is with you and solidarity. But Gen six you belong to zernies. Okay. So, so gen five. This was one of the last Gen's that I remember, you know, playing all the way through. I think I started playing Gen seven then the end up like doing all the extra stuff, but gen five, I like played the heck out of that. I loved it. I thought it was a really, really great generation. Just kind of coming back to the game because I didn't play Gen four, but I just really loved the hack out of Gen five. Went to the midnight release, got all dressed up in my snivey gear. I thought Snyvey was so cool, like as a starter, and I just had a beautiful, beautiful time kind of reliving that pokemon experience in Gen five. From for the entirety of the Gen, I thought the POKEMON designs were fresh for the most part, very kind of I don't know, something about just what they chose to include and maybe is like color schemes or whatever it was. There's something new and something different that I had felt like I hadn't seen before from Pokemon, and my gen five pick that just kind of kind of towed the line between a very strong and in powerful pokemon and a very cute and approachable pokemon was Victeni, and that's my choice for the Gen five's best pokemon and kind of dipping back into that well of legendary pokemon. But Vic teeny has felt like the yeah, like I said, the perfect combination of just just strong and cute, and I think the design is beautiful with the Little v shaped earpieces is that just blend perfectly into the body. It always has a little peace sign up, but it's looking very nice at the big blue eyes. I just think it's a very, very strong, beautiful design on POKEMON's part. Yeah, the team is also like the last of the true, like new Pokemon, which got to give some respect for that as well. Victini's a good choice. It was one of my top choices as well. made it to probably the final round of cutting cutting board. Yeah, I like vic tiny. I like how it represents like victory as kind of the idea, you know, like with the V, The v creates the all these things that it doesn't, you know, flips coins for you. It's just like it's cool, vict he's awesome. Yeah, and I've I'm always kind of like partials the mew archetype. I think they're fun quges and and also like clearly like strong in their own way, and I think the Teni like definitely embodies that for me. I also dip my toes into the legendary pool a little bit, and obviously it was the last round was pretty much legendary. Be Legendary, with Victini versus my choice. Ultimately I settled on Zek Rom. I think Zech Rom is just way past school. Like Reshi Ram, I think didn't really hit the mark for me and I know like people like to hate on like the generator, but or whatever, I think I...

...think it's actually interesting. Like he you know, it's got this like blue elect city which is sick and it it courses like through his body, which is awesome, and you know, the Yin and Yang Element of, you know, black and white as a whole, but also specifically to rest Urmand Zkrom was really cool and interesting and maybe part of the reason I chose it is because of the way that it played into the story of those games, which is probably the most story heavy of all the pokemon series games, or at least the one with the story feels the most relevant to it's actually happening in the game. Yeah, huge, huge zkrom Fan. Is that Krom is just so cool and got a lot of like cool elements to it. I really like like the blue lightning, which you think of like lightning and Pokemon it's always like yellow or orange, yeah, and which blue is not only like more realistic, but it's it looks sick it. Yeah. Yeah, well, they really did a beautiful job with the two legendaries, kind of making them the monochromatic in the black and white respectively for restrm and Zrom, and I really do agree with you because it's a beautiful design. I will be conceding this one to you, because the beautiful design comes in for me in the Zcrom from just being all black but then having very, you know, small highlights that just make kind of the design pop and I think specifically, like you said, of the blue, the lightning, the red eyes, the kind of they have like little blue accents on the body at in places like at the top of the head, and it just, I don't know, for some reason they made black and white, you know, they made black and white like very interesting colors just to be on a Pokemon, and so I think it's beautiful. I think it's beautiful Pokemon, very regal, very you just know kind of what it's here to do. Here to bring the Hammer, you know, and it's a great I'm glad that you could appreciate that one's I was afraid it wouldn't go over well. Is that promise so cool? You've read it was going to be like two angular something out of it. I just didn't understand it. Yeah, I thought you would hate on the generator, but I think, I mean, you get over it. I think they do a nice way of kind of just incorporating it into the zign. It doesn't feel like it's slapped on because it kind of fits with like the weird wings. Yeah, and just it just kind of work. On your own they don't really work, but together they make the pokemon and that much more formidable. Yeah, I formidable force and awesome iconic pokemon and SEC chrom so gen for the start of the DS era, diamond and Pearl, this is the round. The time that you got out of the game, I was still peak pokemon, elementary and middle schooler, so definitely some fond memories there. JB, what is your favorite choice from Jenour? I like a lot of these pokemon and a lot of them I enjoy because their extensions of their original counterpart. We had a lot of just beautiful, beautiful extensions. I think of we vile being an extension of Sneezel. I liked a lot of Toga Kiss, which I thought was just a very nice finishing touch to that evolution line Yon Mega, even the Ev evolutions were just really nice additions. Dustnore I think of as a great pokemon, but I liked a lot of what they did with the generations here in Gen four and I really enjoyed a lot of their stage two's and my favorite stage two in Gen four and my favorite pokemon of Jen for is Gar CHOMP. Night I was very between the poster child for Jen for in Lucario, and it's pseudo legendary counterpart in Gar chop. But when I look at Gard Chomp it reminds me a lot of what we were, or at least what I was talking about with Dragon Poult, and that it has this just mystique to it. It's a very sleek looking design. It can look very menacing but it can also look very, you know, just very cool sleek. It just has this aura to it that is hard to describe in the big kind of face that is right there. It just captures your attention and the color scheme that I really enjoy. So I like our chump a lot and I think it's my pick for the best pokemon Inchin for while you're in luck, JW, I also chose car shop, my Jad for I feel like...

ARD chops. That easy win and for honestly, yeah, and not not in the sense that like it's obviously the best, but I think it it's just a great pokemon, and so it's like anyway, I feel like a lot of people appreciate guard chop. You know, other some other pics might be more contested or like disagreed upon, but guard chomp is for sure a top tier gender for pokemon. It nails like the land shark like kind of menacing feel to it. I love, like all the elements that go to I love even this, the evolution from Gibble, this little choppy boy, to guard shop, now a fearsome creature that roams in the caves and the lands and it's just it's so cool and I think anyone can appreciate that. I'll give a shout out to my second choice that I was thinking about, which was infern ape, who nails like the tribal kind of element to him. I think for a hip stick, but guard chop was was for sure the choice for me. What easy enough, right, best pokemon and jen for car CHOMP. So let's just do a review, quick review. Jen Eight. We said drag a polts. It's our favorites. Jen Seven, Rowletts, Jen six, zerniest, Jen five, Zek roum engine for car chomp. Now, Riley, I'll ask on Gen three. What do you love about Jan three? I was your favorite pokemon and Jen three. Yeah, I think Jen three has a pretty interesting array of Pokemon and to me I feel like I kind of cocked out with my choice. There's a couple I was thinking of, thinking of Salmon's as one, but you know, I really like Silimon's. But now I was I was like looking at saliments like this kind of looks silly. Yeah, yeah, and I still love so out. That's like on of my favorite pokemon. I think there's me very he's very wide in the wings or just kind of off pudding for me. Yeah, for me it's really close. So if you said the other one of the ones I'm thinking of, I'll concede to you, but the one I'm ultimately going to settle on is going to be metagross. I think a metagross is insanely cool. Ok, and it again similar to drag a pole, and maybe this is just something I like. It takes like the multiple pokemon idea and executes on it much, much better than like a magnet on does you see? Start off with the Matt, you start with the bell them, and the two beldoms become the Matang and the Ta tangs become the Metagross, but they like actually combined into a greater force as opposed to just being a couple of attacked magnumized, you know, or a couple of diglits. So Yep, metagross is sick. It has one of the coolest Shiny's, I think, out of any POKMON. Metagro stands pretty far above its rock. Yeah, very yeah, as really awesome, like signature attack before it got spread to other pokemon with meteor mash not. I really nothing to complain about. I think metagross is is really awesome. Yeah, I had our time choosing for this, for this Gen, and I will give my third choice. METAGRASS was my second choice, so I'm happy to just you know. I if we don't end up choosing the same other choice right then I'm happy to say metagrasses is the best, because it was a very tough choice. But I think third choice for me was ray QUASA. Just I can't. I don't think I was my second. Nice. Oh that was your second choice. Yeah, yeah, I was going to say I don't think I could bring up like jent three. When I think about Jentree, I think about these three Pokmon and one of them is Ray Quasa. It's just maybe the best. It's like maybe the best engineer. It's just so cool. It's very, very cool. I don't know why, but like I think a lot of it has to do with the color scheme, but I feel like it's reading. Everyone agrees on the red, on the yellow, on the green. That's true. It's just has this coolness to it and it's hard to describe an air snake that's kind of metallized. You know, it's kind of weaponized in a way, but are just, you know, it wields so much power and then and then you get into like the Mega Ray Quasa, which I didn't think they could make make Ray Quasa look better and they somehow did. I'm not a big fan of the Megapokemon, but I like posit. It looks so good. I guess the Megary Quaiza just like blows it out of the water. I think. So Ray QUASA. That that when I was making my choices, that felt too much like a cop out. So I want to make sure that I set it out loud just that I acknowledge the present way metagraphs very, very good. I think the third pokemon that really encapsulates gen three, and it's beauty and it's, you know, uniqueness, is guardivore and chance again, and it feels like a cop out to even say that too, because all these pokemon have really been kind of shoved down our throat. It's at least in the competitive tcg community, where it always seems like they're trying to make a good metagrass, of trying to make a good ray quase with trying to make a good guardivore, because they know that their design is very good. But but...

...for Guardivore, I just love that. It is a very elegant and powerful POKEMON. Again, I keep coming back to this kind of dual viewership of it. You know, if you like to look at this pokemon and see it as the serene presence, then it definitely is that. If you like to look at this pokemon and see it as being this kind of hyper powerful presence, it definite only has that and I think just the the dual lens that you can look at it is very interesting and unique. I love the shiny version of it as well. Like you brought up with the metagrass, the shiny guardivoir has this blue que to it and a pink dress. It just looks very regal and elegance and very unique. I just think Gardivore is is the simplestic, you know simple as better in a lot of ways because there's not a lot of flash, there's not a lot of possess but it gets the job done and it displays this this aura of of, you know, sereneness and power. Yeah, I honestly Gartifur was one I probably didn't give enough time to as I was thinking about Gentree Pokemon, because it definitely was not in my top coupled choices. But I definitely think Guardivar is very cool. I will say one thing. I feel like Guardivar kind of was bolstered quite a bit by the addition of Galleid. It feel like they play each how off each other so well, in my head at least. I maybe that's just like my own head Canon playing out. But like you talked about the nobility of guardivoir and I feel like that's also reflected really well and glaid. It's like almost like her night, is how I picture it. You know, someone with a lot of honor who would like step up to the plate for Guardivoir, and just feel like I having that like route to Guardivar almost made the whole whole line better. Yeah, like I wouldn't like guard of ore without Galaid, I don't think as much. And I wouldn't like lay without guardivore. Fair enough, and I'm happy to I'm happy to concede because I believe metagrass is just a beautiful depiction of what it means to be a pokemon. It's just it has it all. It's a very beautiful Pokemon, a very well designed pokemon in the concepts all makes sense. So for Jen three metagrass our best designed pokemon. All right, getting down into the weeds, we're back on the game boy, the game boy color Gen to. I'm sure we'll probably be prickling some people's feathers by the time we get to Gento and one about time. You know, if you haven't been prickled, I think jen three we hovered probably if you didn't have any of those three pokemon in your top three pokemon and three like, where are you? You know you have a Fulse, but I think gents to it gets a little bit more wishywash right, for sure. So I can kick us off for this one. Try. The obvious choice for me is to say peach you, because peach you is my number one favorite pokemon. I won't say peech you because I'll could see it. It's just like a baby Pikachu, you know, and you know it does. Does do that perfectly in my opinion. But but for me, and I'm saying it too now that you've mentioned it, I think there's two pokemon the stand above them all. I'll give second place first, and that would be tyrannotar. Okay, tyrant at awesome, like totally. It bodies the Godzilla archetype. You know that it was clearly inspired by but also like somehow, like the rock elements are very clear and it's just a really easy it's easy to understand. As Arranatar, you can look at that and be like that's probably like a dark type, it's probably a rock type. The Sand Stream is sick like the idea that it has just this presence that summons this like sandstorm makes it hard to see and it's, you know, it's ominous, almost super cool. But the number one pick I gave was another legendary unfortunately I gave it this weekend and okay, yeah, there are some other ones I thought were really good. So we coon, I think, is the favorite of the dogs for me. It has this like flowiness to it. It feels very like natural and mysterious, whereas I feel like the other dogs are a little, I don't want to say like ugly, but they're like bulkier and like they feel like rougher around the edges, where Suecon is very clearly like it feels like a benevolent force that that you know, gallantly, like trance, is through nature and like purifies things around it. Like that's clearly expressed and it's designed to me. Sure. I love the flowing like ribbons almost on the side.

I love his main of like cloud if it seems like, hm hmm, it's just cool, like swee Coun but I think of like the roaming pokemon. Swee coon perfectly represents that to me, and so I got to give it this week. Very good, very good. I like we're your heads out with them. It's a good choice. I have been a fan of this pokemon since since I found it, since I figured out how to get it in Ghent too. I have just been in awe of this pokemon and I think just the simplicity is better. The simplicity is better. The Duel, the duel, not type, the duel coloring on this pokemon really makes it stand out as kind of this bold choice. They didn't try to do anything crazy with this pokemon. They kept it very much in the box. But I think for that reason it makes me, it makes me smile, it makes me happy, it makes me just think very good things. It's a very fresh take on a Pokemon we all know and love, and so that, of course, that that original pokemon is ev and the best. In my opinion, evolved form comes, and Gent too, in the form of Umbriyon, Umbrian stereotypical choice there. Yes, yes, yes, yes, I'Mbriyon has this, this great depiction of the night, which is very obvious in what they were trying to go for. It has this this black body that I mean almost alone without the highlights of white would or of yellow, would be enough for me to really be drawn to this pokemon. It's sleek, it's just, I don't know, it's very well balanced with the three prongs kind of coming out of it right, the two ears and the tail. It's just a nice, well balanced pokemon there. But then they add in the highlights, the circles, the moon elements to it with the yellow, and it all comes together to form this very dark, Spooky, Nice, beautiful elegance, sleek design that I really just can't get enough of. Again, the beauty is in the simplicity, and I think I'mbryon nails. that. Yeah, I will agree. I think I'm Bryan. It's probably the best looking of all the Ev lucians and is better than most, or maybe the best pokemon of all at representing the like simplistic, less is more kind of design philosophy. You know, it's you know, it says, this creature. It's all sleek black with, you know, the rings and the eyes, that that's all it needs, though. It perfectly expresses what it needs to with that small amount of design elements. So yeah, I'm Briannas is pretty awesome, I will say, and honestly, I'll probably just can see that one to you. I think. I'm Bryan is a is an iconic pokmon for the ages, not the speaknness, and it's probably one of the most iconic pokemon and gent too, given that it had a you know, a game through. But I think the one thing, I think that really pushes me fro I'm Bryn is. We're talking about Chinese earlier with metagrows and Cardivoir and I'm Brown has probably one of the simplest Shini's ever. You know, it changes, it it's huge, changes slightly and it's rings change from Yellow to light blue. That is one of the most beloved shiny's in the entire pokmon franchise just off of that alone. And I think if for a good reason, it looks incredible, it looks great and it but it feels special, you know, like I'm Ron's already good and it's feels like a special, cool version. So right, yeah, I'll give it to um beyond. I'm Bryna is is awesome. The friendship evolution in the night is it's great. It's a it's a cool pokemon. Cool, all right, I love it. All right. So we have one gen left, and this is a tough one for me. If we can go back and just review one last time before before we get to Jen one, drag a poults and Jen eate, Rowlett, Jen seven, Jen six, zerniest, Jen Zkrom, Jen four, guard up, jen three, metagross. We just finished up gent to declaring umbrion as our favorite designed Pokemon, and Jen one. I will just lay it out. Everybody's favorite generation, the one that started it all and therefore has it's going to be tough to kind of pick away from the nostalgia to what truly is there, the the solid and best design out of them all. So I think there are a few that we can just eliminate right off the bat. I think, you know, wheedle, maybe not the best. Sure, zoo bat,...

...maybe not the best, but some of my favorites from this generation that just have this this attitude. They just have an attitude about them. That's the best way that I can put these two pokemon. They have an attitude and and it's very obvious their attitude, whatever that may be, in each design. But my two favorite Pokemon, one is Garridos and number two is Gangar. I think these two pokemon just both have a beautiful, beautiful elegant design and they can be presented in a few different ways. The garridose has a bit of a kind of folk legend, the status and some of the artwork and some of the Games where you just kind of you know it can be depicted in that way. And then the Gangar has this just very like shadowy, hazy kind of Mystique to it, and so I just love the designs of the two POKEMON. The gang are, I chose that specifically because it has such a very like simple face, like you could put the eyes and the smile, you literally don't even need the rest of the pokemon and I would know what it's gang are. Yeah, and that is so, so clear. That design is so clear and so vivid in my mind and and probably many of our listeners minds, that gang are just has to be, you know, one of the best design pokemon. And then same same with Garridos. You know that that mouth has a very distinct look to it. The you know, kind of the the little like Fu man shoe that it's got going on. Very cool and of course everyone will remember, you know, the first time that they actually got to what was a rage like or lake of rage, and they caught their first shiny ever. Just an incredible pokemon. Yeah, yeah, I love the folk lore, like the Chinese folklore inspired elements of Garridos. Ever, those are unfamiliar. There's like a piece of folklore that if a carp is able to ascend a waterfall, that it will become a dragon, like a Chinese Dragon. It's that's what Garretos it's like representing this pitiful magic harp it's able to ascend the waterfall of getting the level twenty, if becomes something great, and Garretta's is awesome. It reflects that really well. For me and I cash, I keep saying, you really really messed me up big time there, but I know. Sorry. The pokemon that I'm going to choose feels like a cop out, but I promise it's not without intensive thought behind it. And I'm going to say Pikachu straight up. Okay, okay, and there's a lot of reasons I think so. Pikachu is one of my favorite pokemon. Ever, that's not a secret. You can pretty quickly ascertain that from any of my social media profiles, from my background behind me. For the viewers covered, the Pika choose, but to me Pikachu perfectly represents pokemon and there's a reason that Pikachu became the mascot. When they thought it was going to be cliff airy and you know, and for those who don't know like the lore behind this, like Pokemon, when they were thinking of like how they want to market themselves right, like they how they wanted to create the anime, they were thinking cleffery was the Pokemon of choice. But overwhelmingly people loved Pika Shoo, it was the POKMON. Everybody loved Pikachu. Wanted a Pikachu. It was the one people talked about, you know, because it was kind of rare to get in this in the Games. You know, you had to go around rootine forest and just roam around and it maybe you'd see one. It's a pretty low chance. And so peak you like in out of the gates as reach legendary status and you can look at Pikachu right away. You know, it's got this electric feel to it with the bend detail, like Hmm, it's very obvious what pikache is and does, but it's also cute and easily expressive and fun and interesting. And you know, obviously there's layers to that, like piache is shown favoritism and has like the animate slot. But I think the only reason is able to get there in the first place was because Pikachu was so awesome and easy to love and the fun to get go. Wow, wow, okay, you made your case. I would say the one detraction for me from Pika Choos that they've had to redesign him, and I you know, not a complete rehaul, but you just look like jen one to gent to and then you know how different they are, and then Gen to to Gen, you know, current en, like they just they just get different. I worried that with something like Gangar they kind of perfected the design like right off the bat. Or maybe don't know, maybe they didn't care enough, you know, because it wasn't their their franchise pokemon. But I just I worried that Pikachu has been changed too many times. What...

...is Pika choose? When you think of peak, choose a gen one. Pikachu is a current Gen pikache? Is it that more nail? And is it Pikachu with ashes hat on as a pikachew I don't think I had. What's that? I don't think the hats really a beautiful well, I don't know, but that I understand what you think. Like Pikachu did, like fin down and Jent three, I think, is when I actually liked. But it hasn't changed really since then, fundamentally, like yeah, you know, it's been Pikachu ever since, and I think like the actual design philosophy that makes Pikachu like great and easy to understand is still there. Like you can take a fat pikache from Jen one and it has the bend detail, it has the electric cheeks and the black tipped ears, and that's what, to me, like allows you to understand and like look at Pikachi, like not only is this adorable, but this is an electric like a mouse, like Pokemon, and that's that's all I need to know, you know. and and Pikachu and Gent three still has all that. Has the bendy tailed, has the black tippy ears, it has the pouch cheeks. Huh, and it did get thinner, I will admit you know that to the it went on a diet, for sure, between two and three, but I think I would still love it if it was Jenue Pikachu, and I'm sure a lot of other people feel the same. I don't know exactly the philosophy why pokemon change it or it's probably something I've read at one point and now forgotten, sure, but I don't think anything is lost if it's bad Pikachu, and that's why I'm going to stay, stay, I'm gonna stay on my ground this one. I think Pikachu is the quintessential pokemon for a reason. Okay, well, I will give it to you. I think that's the perfect cap stone to this discussion, to just really bring a full circle to say, Pikachu, Jen one, you you're the one that we think of, whether it's conscious or not, whether it's just you know that spot in our heart, but you always take up Pikachu. You are the one for us, if you are our gen one, best pokemon design. Well, that was a beautiful conclusion, I think, to an epic saga of debating about the best and worst pokemon. I think we had a lot of great discussion. I'm curious with everyone and chat is thinking. I've got a lot of awesome feedback. If you're listening or watching on Youtube, be sure to leave us some comments or tweeted us what you think, if you agree with us, if you disagree with us, or if you just have some opinions that you'd like to bring to the table for our consideration. We'd be happy to hear all of that out. So be sure to tweet out us at TAG team pokemon. It's probably the fastest way to reach the both of us together, we both look at that feed and are try to be as responsive as possible to the things that you say to us, and I think with that we're coming about to a close here. We really appreciate all of your viewership. We appreciate all the subs that we got over this stream session and all the just continued support and love from our community. You guys. I think we've done a good job as a community of fostering a really positive, healthy environment where people can discuss pokemon and in a friendly and positive and constructive way. So, you know, props to all of you guys. Will be back next week with some more pokemon action, probably talking about the rebel clash set that you will have long awaited at this point, so I fear not. It's coming and we will see you soon. Piece out everyone by.

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