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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 2, Episode 12 · 1 year ago

2-11. The Best of the Best

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are back to discuss what Pokemon make the top of their lists for the best designed in each generation. Catch some hot takes and cool Pokemon!

What's up, everybody welcome to tagteam, the POKMON trading card games, premier podcasting duo, my name is Ralyholvert joined for my good friend, JW CR, well, Gw, how you doing today, I'mjust dancing and chilling Riley. How are you DANC and chillin? I mean reallyjues, not much lufe to do besides those things. Well, I think I've exhaustedall other possibilities. Fair enough done anything fun over lastweek, well played a lot more terrforming Mars. I played in the invitational thisweekend and beyond those two things you knowjust trying to improve my life and prove my you know, surroundings and stay ahead on. You know making food and things likethat. We just made about two hundred dumplings. That's a lot of dumplings,which we have been eating over the last couple days and have at least like fourmore meals of so that's pretty fun yeah, and we made some scalion pancakesas well macaroons or macarones its beent a busy week of cooking in thecreeal household, very nice, very nice. Well, you got to eat for sure boys gotto eat. That's right! Gotta GET PICK O! That's what I say as all right cool.Well, I think I'm kind of interested to hear about how the Lee Lis qualifierwent for you. I know for sure that you did peominally well in day. One endedwith a ten and three record: that's Stright, yeah, ten, a three sotell us about the experience of the tournament Jist. Like e from anoverarching standpoint, then you could hit on any particular rounds that youthought were interesting or exciting. Sure I thought it was really reallynice that it was just it was able to happen. We had a little bit of problem around round three, just aswith battlefly smashed AGG, also kind oftook a nose dive right about that round. Three four time period. There was apoint where they were telling people not to even refresh the server becauseit was crashing as there were. You know, other tournaments, other bigtournaments being ran at the same time, and it was at that point that I wasgetting really scared. You know the first two rounds had taken about anhour each and then they had told us. You know, okay round. Three, somepeople had gotten their pairings for around three and played, and then theywere trying to input their results and then some people hadn't gotten pairings,and it was just a big big mess there and I was like okay for like not again,you know, I'm hoping for the sake of the organizers and limitlests and Potonstore, and anyone involved in this that it just wouldn't happen again. But thankfully we weathered that stormand the rest of the rounds were pretty smooth. I would say from about round five on, it was just as ideal as youcould get where they were pairing very quickly and they were you, know, kindof getting us on our way. One thing that was different this time around, asfar as I remember, is that they weren't pairing everybody together they hadsplint the tournament into four pods and that way each pod had a leader kindof a timekeeper, and I thought that was a really good. You know innovation ofpositive innovation from the first event where you just had everyone inthe same pool. So if one match was late, then every single person was you know,held up, but in this way they kind of mitigated that by dividing it up into essentially foursmaller tournaments for day one and then cutting to you know top whateverone twenty or something. However, many people were able to go on today too. SoI thought that was really nice that really smooth things out and overall, I would say that it was aseven out of ten experience if we're going just based on you know, roundfive and on it is a ten out of ten experience and we just had a few hickups early, but would definitely play again and that's super awesome. That'sa pretty glong review, especially of those last as couple Raar, not evenlast, but like the lader half of the Tourna yeah yeah, they did a reallynice job. After kind of all, the things got ironed out after people got used tothe smash gg website and after smash like fixed the problems on their end. Idon't know what was going on over there. So really really well done, especiallystrong. Second, half of the tournament: That's Super Cool, so tell us a littlebit about your tournament run. What did Syou play? What in of Matcips, were youseeing like? Not only that you played against but were common in the event?And obviously, how did your tournament end up in Dayto sure I felt reallyreally Nice Day, one where I started out, O n one. I was playing atpizationand my I guess the interesting things...

...about my list was that I included a oneof energy switch for the stall mildecks and a four count of Marni for those decks forbaby bull Sephlon, and so I felt very confident with the deck going in. I was you know telling people about it.Saying Hey. This is the play. I was giving up my list ID posted on mydiscord, ihad played on the Stream. You know. I wasn't very shy about sayingthat this was what I was going to play and than I thought it was the best deck,and I mean even when we talked about it on the podcast, just saying that thisis the best deck. This is what I was going to play and I was very confidentin it and day. One definitely was my day. You know, as opposed to day to,but I went ten and four on day once started off, Oen one and then raped offa nine game, wind streak, which was pretty exciting and pretty fun. Iplayed some just very interesting decks. I want a highlight in round six at this point I was fiveand one four and one and I hit a dark box, which I thought was veryinteresting. I just don't know how that deck survives against ATP at all, and then I played a coupleof Beslef blissephlons. The mirrors were just so horrible.There were those were actually most of my losses in day one. I ended upplaying three now I ended up playing former for true mears. I went second and I believe, two ofthem and lost those, and then I went first and two of them and won those,and then I played a pseudomiror with the ATP Spiritom Deck. That was Ross'slist and I ended up losing to that as well. I can't remember if I went firstor second, but that that deck definitely, you know, keeps better pacethan the just normal ad psations, by way of attacking with a one prizeattacker, and then I played a firebox that ended up making top eight. Ibelieve I was just really impressed by how strong my opponents were Inda one,because I just faced against a lot of people that you know ended up havingvery positive records after day one and a couple, people that ended up makingtop four top eight, so that was very cool, played against a couple of MalliMutu and day one and when all insaid was said and done. I finished ten andfour. The best matchup that I had was not really theresult of any strong gameplay. I would say from day one there, but it was theresult of a misclick where I was playing a baby, Bile Sephalon deck andI'm kind of dead, drawing and just like a little bit tilted. And then I go upand promote my ATP, and I just clicked done. I have the two energy on it andinstead of using the gx attack, I just passed my turn o Ye, and that wasreally embarrassing because I was streaming it. You know there were fiftya hundred people whatever in the stream there, and I just like I get so mad. I like let out a little,you know yell, because of course you don't want to don't want to just pass your turn,especially in a matchup like that. So I was pretty upset and managed to pullback managed to just marny him into kind of a suboptimal hand had a fewkind of unique plays with vione and we just got there in the end, so that wasreally really exciting. That was probably the highlightad day one andthen moving into day to I thought the the one comment criticism that I had,and I guess I kind of understand it and I'll explain. I think why they did it,but the one comment that I had was that they should have kept theresistance from day one over in today to as in you play like records. So I was ten and four, but on the firstround of day two, I ended up playing an eight and five player in grant Manley,and you know, I think, I'm you know salty. I lost, but you know it's just areally interesting interesting decision. I think for them to kind of reset thebrackets and that's something I would like to see. You know I would not liketo see in future tournaments, but I ended up playing grant a loss to himwith the BHM. I think the reason that they decided to just wipe the bracketclean was because they were trying to account for the eight and five playersthat got in when they maybe shouldn't shouldn't have gotten in, but they madea. They made a a benefit for the first tournament being cancelled.where, if you went to an oh in that first tournament, then you needed oneless win to make it into the second day of competition in the most recentqualifier. So when when that happened, I thinkthey just reset everything, because if...

...they didn't reset Han, it would bepractically impossible for a an eight and five player to make youknow top eight. I don't think any eight and five players made top aid. I thinkthe closest one went seven an o and got you know top sixteen, but I thinkthat's why they did it. I don't have like conformation. I just thought thatwas a really weird thing. I hope they don't continue that for future tournaments and then the rest ofthe day to was pretty bad. I had one I was talking to you before the Stream. Ihad won matchup against Meg cargo gx, where they ended their turn with like asingle slugma, maybe about three to five cards in hand. You know nothingnot no real big hand or anything like that. Nothing that would make me thinkthat they had anything flashy coming out, but then on their next turn, theywelld her twice onto their slugma attach and they get the get the ability off and they do threeunder damage to my ATP, and I was just like okay man, you got it like. You hiteverything there and there is just a couple games like that. I playedagainst an ultimate Mutu that played it perfectly well perfect, like exactlyhow you would play it, and it was just crazy because he had just every singlecard that you would want in every single situation. You know he alwayshad the chaatic well or he had the you know the right energy or you hadthe Indd to heal off the ten damage that I needed to, like maybe take aonch. You know it's just like every little thing, every little advantagethat I look for, he was able to take away, so it was really really well done,but yeah. They too was. I would say day one. I was on the positive side of the variance, andthen I would just say, datuas on the negative side of variance ended up total record of twelve and eight, whichyou know could have been better, but I'm happy that I put myself in aposition to to you know potentially win the tournament with my day. One finishyeah I mean still overall, I think a great good run thanks fault things happen in day toall the time and all sorts of people. So right, it's not like a repoorreflectionon you if you've played against skilled opponents and at closegames. I think that's. That's still awesome. So talk about a little bitabout your Atpzasian list. It seemed like. Overall, it was a good choice.There was a from my understanding of what people are saying: A pretty highamount of those kind of disruption, style decks. So the Marny kind ofenergy switch edition was probably a positive one. Overall Yeap would youchange anything about it? Moving forward? Well- and we had talked aboutthis just a little bit before the Stream, but you know I was. I was onthe right track with the energy switch idea and I think that if I were to playthe deck again, I would probably move closer to what the winning list waslike. He played three energy switch in the winning list. I don't know that I'mready to go there, as I felt even one energy switch. You know shifted the MILmatchup considerably, but I would consider you know potentiallyplage to I liked the for Marny. I thought that they were the perfectdesruption and it always felt like I had them whenever I needed and again,very, very good against Blesepalon and the mill deck so the Marni I'm a littleless willing to compromise on, I think for is correct. I would never go backdown to two three you could maybe get away with, but overall, like the list alot you can go to my discord. If you want to see the list that I played in its entirety, but I would say it was,it was on the right track, the biggest change that I could consider in termsof like a metagame shift, since there will be likely a ton of stall and millwould be a second energy switch yeah. I think that's all fair. It's prettycrazy! How these online tournaments just ended up being a breeding groundfor fostal decks. It feels like yeah yeah. It was pretty crazy. I felt goodagain about the list. I played a couple of stall, so I didn't see a singlestall in day to which I thought was very unusual, as it had now poached thetop for seas from every single pod and was just racking up the winds. Eveneven not you know, even in th the kind of teneleven win realm from day one, and so I was a little surprised not to see asingle mill in day to, but I did face a couple during day: One and prettyhandily beat them one dead drew and then the other one, the other game adjust kind of came down to the last. You know turn right where it's okay, I havemaybe ten cards and deck or something, and if he mills out my last customCatcher, then I lose. But if he doesn't, then I win it is that kind of thing sovery close game there, but felt very comfortable against mill my listed andI would have been happy to play more of it. I just thought you know: Yeah it'll beinteresting to see where the metagame shifts. If you know people do decide toput more energy switch into their ADP,...

...where does mill go from there? Yeah forsure, and another thing I think was really interesting about your list and the choices that you made wasthe for Marny option I mean it feels like Marty. Is Constantly Pink pongingaround with how people feel about it? People thought it was incredible, thenpeople kind of were off it for a while and then toward US pling to, and thatcame standard. What inspired you to go all the way with four well, I just figured that it helped ina ton of matchups. I feel, like you kind of always want to see it in everysingle matchup in the difference between Marni and something like resetstamp is just that Marni is a decent draw card. You know, I mean it, it doesa lot for you in a lot of in a lot of ways, it's almost a better, a better research in some ways whereyou get to keep those resources. Now they go to the bottom of the deck, butyou do get to keep them. So if you have a Gustine hand that you know you'regoing to need later in the game, you can just save that, and so marning forfive in a lot of situations is not the worst thing ever so to have that higher. Have that higher, you know, supporter counts. I felt like was veryimportant to maintain the consistency that you're looking for with a decklike ATP yeah. I think those are all pretty awesome points wellcongratulation Shadvu, on a good run. I get up to see more continue to successfrom you and futree limitless qualifiers, perhaps one's includingrevel class yeah yeah for sure I hope that's that thatall goes very smoothly. I'm looking forward to getting some testing intothe format with the revel clash involved, but it was a lot of fun yeah,everybody that came out to the twitch stream. I just had a ton of funstreaming and overall, the POKEMON trading card game had just an amazingamount of ve ership. For that day, it was wasquite the testament to the tournament that there were just so many creators,and so many viewers that showed up on that day it was pretty cool that isreally awesome. Porto my community is still thriving even under these tryingtimes very cool Yeh. So I think another thing that we want to bring up today was we thought it was really fun. Theother week kick all the worst Fokem on and I came to Ye list that I personallywas pretty satisfied with. Yes, I think JW would probably agree so this week wedecided to do kind of the opposite. It was something a lot of people Ond Shatwere asking about when we did their review, and so now we're going to lookat some of the best boot on that's right. I have NJW, has as well pickedout what he and I think are the best designed or thematic, or you know whathave you pokem on from every generation and the kind of e the trick of this isthat we have to come to some sort of agreement. You know when it comesanwerng. I was talking to JW. It's not going to be quite the same. I think forbest Pokmon, because I think there's more like intimacies such personal feelingsinvolved with the being the best versus the worst right. So I can't imagineit'll be as perfect of a compromise, as we gould saw with dor t on that beingsaid, I still think we can get some really cool discussion and you knowmaybe we can seed points in certain ways and be willing to move on whatkind of gage it as we go. So I think, like last time, it'd be fun just to gofrom the bottom and to the top, especially with the best book o likehearing the best genone Fokman would probably be push right, an be sure sureexactly jive want you kick us off. What do you think is the best pokemin fromgeneration eight SWORDA shield. I don't know if this is a cop out atall, because I don't know your feelings and I don't know the general pokimoncommunities feelings on Gen Eight. But for me I feel, like I got ta cut out for me,I'm Goin to cut out for me catch me saying for me yeah of course, ICOM, ofcourse, is for me. This is my opinion. It's Mor Pico or Moka. Yes, I reallyenjoy more PICO. I really enjoy this kind of like a dual feel. You knowit'sgot H, scatter the hangry version. You know it's kindof cool to me. It's kind of reminds me of a herminds me of what do you call those little? I don'tknow kind of reminds me like a kinder surprise. In a way. I don't. I don'tknow why it just has that Nice, like around rectangle round rectangle shape,and it's just very pleasant, to look at that's really funny. I don't think Iwould ha e ever like tike you down as someone who would have picked like thepikachew of the generation as being Eh. Well, and that's it too, because I waslooking back on like the other pikachoes, you know you look at Marpikaor Paterisu. You Look Atafan last Ale, Minin Pcu to an extens, I mean Amolgaexactly and I was like well, I really...

...think Mor Pico is the best one of thoseand then it just kind of stands out to me as being a really strong, poke motofrom gene which has some stinkers, like we discussed in the last in the last worst episode.So I really enjoyed Mor Pico. I think it's a great design for Pogamon and Ireally especially enjoy the kind of dual nature of it. That is, I think,that's really interesting. I like I said I never would have thought youwould have picked a the generation speak at you. Now is your favorite. Ithink Morpicos really good and is actually. This might be one of theeasiest ones to compromise on, because Morkigo was definitely one of the onesI was considering to put down. For me, I chose Dragopole and okay. I thinkJagopoll is just so cool and I think what do you think of Pokemon likeDiglitt or Anductrio, an you know, Yeto do Andogrio. You know we both kind ofechoed it like. It was a little bit lazy, an like yeah design, San Po Wut.I think dragon fall like takes that kind of idea and brings it to a placewhere it's actually interesting and cool dum. You know it's like thismother, protecting her young, who also like go out and fight for her or youknow. However, you want to interpret it. You know just maybe just a cannon andmissiles, or you know, artillery or whatever either way. I think it's justsuper super interesting, really fun is a cool like theme to itas well. Just like this Ghost Dragon, you know he's got this etheoreal natureto it. I mean ever since I saw Dragon Paultan,I didn't spoil any of the POKON and gene. So first time I saw it is when Iwas flying through the game like this thing is awesome. This thing is so sick,yeah, it's kind of very late design. It'svery you know the Nice angles on the head, but then a very kind of curvedbody, and it just it works. You know you kind of understand the essence ofwhat they're going for, because it's kind of cool looking. You know it'skind of mysterious kind of cool kind of aggressive all in one, and that makesit so you can look at this pokmon through. You know many different lenses,and I guess going on that. I mean that's. That'swhy I like Morpico, you know it has these many different l, two differentways to look, but you know in that sense it still has kind of a changingperspective right. I look at it and I could see that Dragonpultis is cool andyou could look at it and see that dragon pult is mysterious and I thinkthat kind of that kind of ambivalence or that thatquestioning makes for a really great design yeah. The one thing with Morpico is. I wishthat the like the hangry dark form had like a more noticeable impact on MorPico, like as a pokemon like it's not really reflected in the cards at all.Yet it's in the Games. It only affects like one move which to me is kind of Idon't Altt say like a cop out but like I feel like they could have expandedmore on that idea and, of course, Draggo pot like the thedreepes at the head, like are only reflected in one move. I guess, but Ifeel like that is better expressed at least like through it's easier toexpress and something they maybe not used you for something. They've put amore active effort into like expressing throughatalli like dragon pole and likeits cards, and it's you know an game, representation and ter like there's so much personalitylike even the dreepies like they're like little happy little guys up thereand Jacko Wolsis. You know whadling around with them. I don't know rightfun, great, that's funny! So have we come to any?Have we come to any aggreience? Have you have you conceded? I mean I willconcide that the Drago Pol Dis is an extremely cool book Mon. It's got a lotof unique features to it. That makes it stand out. Amongst the rest, I I think I wouldn't be necessarilyopposed to Morpico being our choice. However, I've always hesitant to choose the PekaJus for stuff like this and I feel like drag polt- Represents a more originalspace. Okay, fair enough, fair enough. So forGenates we officially stamp it best. Pokemon design dragopult all right, Jen, seven, the land of SunAn moan. So yes, gus is this Shulhav had more stingers, I feel like thanaverage Hon, but I think I had some, I thatwere pretty cool to okay. My personal pick is Mimicou and I know I just Yeibagged on like the pikache idea, but I think mimeq completely twisted thatinto a place. That was it's almost like parroding, the idea ofhaving a Pikachie for the generation sure- and that was super super cool tome- and you know Morepika or sorry Mimacou is like its cute. It's fun.It's got this ghost fairy typing, which...

...is super interesting, and you know the lore behind Mivq isjust really interesting to me. You know it's thist, like horrifying creaturethat everybody just like hates, but it just wants to be loved, and you know itsees that Peca do and it's funny, because it's like kind of Meta. Youknow because, like in CS pekaches loved in the POKMONA world, which is likeyeah, you know that's obviously just like reflecting upon the real world, inthat case sure its like. So it drustes itself up as a picatude to try andGarner love and attention for itself. It's very Meta yeah, it's very likeit's like a medicometary on like Pokaban and like where we put our attention. Ijust think overall, like it really hit the day Oll the head for what I wassrying to accomplish new and what it was trying to accomplish was alreadysomething that was cool and fun and interesting: Okay, Cool Cool Coco. Ican see that did you know that MIMICC had a busted form yeah, so the Maybeqbus, so in the game, maybe Q, originally its head is like straight upyeah and the bus Eform, I think, is the one. Actually it's on the cars and it'sjust like the head, the disguise basically breaks and the head teltsover, and so it's like still intact, but like it's obvious now that it'slike a fake thing, it's like that. It's true for him! AH HAH! I had no idea yeah that there wasa butttood form yeah, it's easier to understand like within the video games,iy think than like the card games that we would typically consume God. GotchaI mean I played. I believe I played this Gen, but I don't ever remembergetting a mimic Y or getting to an area where it was common, so yeah yeah interesting, so the bustedform Huh. That's very cool all right! Well, for Me Jang it. I did it again. That's tough! It's tough, so the best Fokum on the unquestionableI maybe I just need more confidence. I feel like I'm using for me as like acover, because I'm not confident my choice. M yest me, you know ea, I amgoing to be confident in my choice. Generation Sevens Best Pokemon JW approved is Rallet Yeah I mean I love Ralett like there'sAra, the Srali browlet is so playful and so adorable, but it really has anice. You know where it's going. Like you F for me. I fully understand thatthe POKMON is going to get stronger. You know it's Goinna get bigger, butit's just a perfect little capsule is like a little nugget oppose my nugget.I just want to eat right up. Te'l bowtie is very cute, well, eyes, tha're,just very unassuming, and then his role in the anime kind of brings. U Yeah Ert, Ianime yeah. He just he goes ham and the Enimy I mean it's just a very likecomedic cometic character. So that's what I love about Ralit. Youknow sayg nothing about winning a regional with Ralot, but it just to mehas so much personality in such a small package. Yeah I mean this is probablyone I'm more easily conceid on, because you know I try to remove some of mypersonal feelings for my choices, but Rallott is actually one of my top threefavorite pokemon ever and for those of Yowo are listening andcan't see my background. I actually have this big shelf with Peka choes allover it, but then there's one one shelf out of the unit that is dedicatedentirely to Rallet, so yeah Rald is awesome. I totally agree withwhat you're saying it's like the theme of it. You know, being this littlesquirt grass owl, who will definitely has like trips up its sleeve, that willgrow up to be something great, is very well communicated and it's bodylanguage and like shape and form yeah. I think ralaknocks out of thepark so I'll just con see that one right away, don't yes, we've done it.Okay, I was worried that, because generally, I feel like the design ofthe pokeman gets, gets more intricate and therefore more exciting. The more evolved you get or the more legendary the POKEMON is,but it's just. I was looking very hardthrough Gen, seven and really all the Gens, but but this one struck me asjust being one of those basic on you know not yet evolved pokemon that doeshave future evolutions. That just is perfect by itself yeah. I totally agree.Well, it could not havevolve an. I would still love him. That's right!That's hat! I'm saying gray pokeman it kind of hearkens back more to. I feellike the very simple fun design starters of Gen one and to good pointwhere fee, like starters, got more complicated over time. Otherwise, goodpoint...

...cool, so jen, six, the XNY era. It feltthereis a little bit of contention here for the worst folk on I'm curious hat,you think, is the best one well. This is the first legendary thatI will present and I don't know where you fall here. I'm sure you'llsay that it's a very nice poking min and that you like it, but I just really love the the colorfulness of it, the kind of regal status. I no know you're going with this Sernas yeah. I actually I figured youwere going to say. Zerdassiscihe said it was a legendary, really yeah interest. Why is that I don't know? Idon't know like I feel like Zernias has, I feel like serns Andy Els are actuallyboth really good. Yes, but Sernius is like just a better design. I think moreinteresting, more fun to look at Yeah, yeah Zern Eveltol, I think, has a problemwith pasture where, if in the certain, if in certain you know postures, Iguess it looks way worse than others right. If it's in this kind of likeattacking posture that we see on the card, then it looks very, very cool itjust kind of struggles when it's I don't know, I guess flying or anythinglike that. Musurnias looks cool if it's prancing, if it's standing, if it'srunning, if it's leaping, I mean it, just it all looks cool and any in anyanimation. I've seen Zerniason. It looks very, very slick, very, veryclean and fresh and exciting yeah, and I think Sir Naas it gives off thatright, vibe that they were going for there. My understanding was, they werekind of going for, like that, like Nordic, like youdrayslittle kind ofthing, and with all those legendaries and Sernais, like perfectly kind offits into like that realm of real world flora, I feel like as hind of this lifebearing like insane Golden Antler kind of creature, Tro, so dais wasdefinitely one of my top choices for this generation this generation.Actually, I kind of struggled more than I thought I would in gen six to behonest, there's a couple really good ones and so ill. Just take that rightinto my pick for Gen six before I say n actual fick I'll give a couple morethat I thought were worth mentioning yeah that I doer really good. I thinkGreninja is actually a really really good design. Rit perfectly likecombines like the frog and the Ninja into like one cohesive thing, and it'sreally cool and I know a lot of people like don't dig the tongue. I think it's,I think it's cool yeah, it's like it would be gross inreal life, but obviously, like all sorts, Tho fuck hemont be grossed inreal life. You know right right, so I don't think that's aproblem. I think Hallusho is another one thatwas like really really fun and really cool SRY. It took the legitor elementperfectly, but the actual one that I picked and I'm curious. I feel, likeyou- might hate this one, but I just acal. No, no, I was just saying don't I was like Aik I'll, forgive him. Iliterally had that thought. I wasorgivme JE says anything bout, agsyeah. I knew for sure you'd hate your slshand maybe that's like subconsciously. Why I chose it, but but I think avoslash is really reallycool man. I think it's awesome like it and whal. I feel little bit better ifyou like in the SORD and shield generation, but right like the stands,change is cool. The king's shield concept like combining with his ghostlyelements, is interesting. The whole line is like an interesting set of likeLaur and POKADEX centries to it yeah you're, just all about the theghost type ghost apparently I mean. Actually, I don't think I have anyother ghost types in the rest of my list, O Thinkin but Ghose Times. I think we're moreinteresting in the last couple eterations than they were in the restof the generations, Tur Theyre, just like spirits or ghost or whatever sure yeah. I don't know, I think a slash isjust really really cool. I am sure that you don't like it for whatever reason.Well, I just worry that it's very it's just too obvious. They just took anitem, they animated it. And then here it is. You know I understand that theCONSTUMT school different forms are pretty cool, but just like you know, I look at A. Ilook at a pokemon like poltogheist, and I say: Okay, you knowthey animated a teapot great. What he do. I look at a pokemon like you, O Gorguys, the animated, a Pumpkin,all right, big whoop. You know an ISA, it's actually a jacka lantern. Oh, Oh,okay, fair enough I'll concede on that, but ajust lash. They just took a swordand then we're like hey. Let's, let's...

...make it move, and here we go. I feellike honedge is closer to that. You know like Hana. Just is just a sword.You know with an eball which you can have an opinion on that, but Ilike how aga slash has like the I don't know what to call it, but likethe like, the Tasseles on the blade or whatever like services arm like I feellike they took that in a cool direction. You know it like they like EGAS, likehonage, is just a sort of the face Dubladi as you like to call it do blade. You know it's just two sores with facesand a shield behind them, but you know I aslises wielding a shield. You knowit's actually like it took that to a more like animatedspace than just being like a sword that moves I'm having a hard time right now, it'Siwill nev. I would gladly you could see that Zernius is the best gent. Six likeI like Tornais a lot. I think it was a phenomenal bu come on. It's actuallysomething else leading towards choosing, but I just like wasn't really feelingchosing a bunch of legendaries either well aire enough. I mean that becausethat's kind of where I was talking about a little bit earlier and justsaying that the designs get a little bit more intricate, the more you knowif they're legendar or if they're a stage to generally the more marketablePokmon, are kind of the biggest and strongest and so yeah. It does get kindof easy to just choose those moreintricate pokemon in those Biggie strongi types yeah, so iull giveYouzerniist, but I still think eg slash is cool and I I like it slad he's all Agis. EGA Lstands just know that Riley is with you andsolidarity, but gensix. You belong teserneous, okay, so gen five. This was one of the lastgens that I remember you know playing all the way through. I think I startedplaying Gen. Seven then end up like doing all the extra stuff but jen five.I like play the heck out of that. I loved it thought it was a really reallygreat generation, just kind of coming back to the game because I didn't playGen for, but I just really loved the heck out of Gen five went to themidnight release got all dressed up in my snivy gear. I thought snivy was socool like as a starter, and I just had a beautiful, beautiful time kind ofreliving that pokemon experience in Gen five. For for the entirety of the Gen,I thought tha pokemon designs were fresh for the most part. Very kind of I don't know something about just whatthey chose to include and maybe is like color schemes or whatever it was. Therewas something new and something different that I had felt like I hadn'tseen before from Pokmon, and my gen five picked that just kind of kind of towed the line betweena very strong and in powerful pokemon and a very cute andapproachable pokemon was Victini and that's my choice for the Gen fives bestpokemon and kind of dipping back into that well of legendary Pokmon, butVictini has felt like the like. I said the perfect combination of just juststrong and cute, and I think the design is beautiful, withthe little vshaped ear pieces that just blend perfectly into the body, italways has a little pieace signup, it's looking very nice with the big blueeyes. I just think it's a very, very strong, beautiful design on pokemont'spart yeah te team is also like the last of the the true like mew Okamon, whichgot to give some respect for that as well. Bitin is a good choice. It wasone of my top choices as well made it to probably the final round of cuttingcutting board yeah. I like Fictini, I like how itrepresents, like victory, is kind of the idea you know like with the V thathe creates the all these things that it doesn't. You know, flats coins for you,it's just like it's cool e teen is awesome Y and ve, I'm always kind oflike partials the mewarchetype. I think they're, fun, cute and and also like,clearly like strong in their own way, and I think thepn like definitelyembodies that. For me, I also dip my toes into thelegeniary pool a little bit, and obviously it was the last round waspretty much leg, derebelegondary with victini versus my choice. Ultimately, aSetlebon Zecrom, I think Zecrom is just way past cool, like Russhi Ram. I think, didn't reallyhit the mark for me, and I know like people like to hate on,like the generator butter or whatever.

I think I think it's actuallyinteresting like He. You know he's got this like blue electricity, which issick and it it course is like through his body, which is awesome, and you know the gin in Yang Element of youknow black and white as a whole, but also specifically to Resherman. Zechromwas really cool and interesting and maybe part of the reason I chose itis because of the way that it played into the story of those games, which isprobably the most story, heavy of all the POKMON series games, or at least the one where the storyfeels the most relevant to wit's actually happening in the game, but yeah huge, huge Zecron Fan. Zecromis just so cool and got a lot of like cool elements to it. I really like,like the blue, lightning, which you think of like lightning and Pokevon init's always like, yellow or orange, and which blue is not onally like Morrealistic, but it's it looks sick. They non't yeah yeah. Well, they really dida beautiful job with the two legendares kind of making them the monochromaticin the black and white respectively for reshramand Zehrom, and I really do agree with you, becauseit's a beautiful desig. I will be conceding this one to you, because thebeautiful design comes in for me in the Zecrom from just beingall black, but then, having very you, know, small highlights that just makekind of the design pop- and I think specifically, like you, said,of the blue, the lightning, the red eyes, the kind of they have like littleblue accents on the body in places like at the top of the head and it just Idon't know for some reason they made black and white. You know they madeblack awhite like very interesting colors, just to be on a Pokemon, and so I think it's beautiful. I think it'sbeautiful Pokemon, very regal. Very you just know kind of what it's here to do here, to bring thehammer you know and or it's a Greatbo yeah sick. I'm glad that you couldappreciate that one. So I was afraid it wouldn't go over well as Zacromis socool. If Friday, I was going to be like to angular or something that iio'Tknowijust didn't understand it yeah. I thought you would hate on the generator,but I think I mean you get over it. I think they doa nice way of kind of just incorporating it intodesign. It doesn't feel like it's slapped on because it kind of fits withlike the weird wings yeah and just it just kind of were on Teir Own. Theydon't really work, but together they make the poke moned that much moreformidable yeah. I agree formidable force and awesome iconic, cocoon inSecrom, so genfor the start of the DS era, diamond and Pearl. This is theround the time that you got out of the game. I will still peak Pokmon,eleventary and middle schooler. So definitely some fond memories there douO be whate. Is your favorite choice from Jenfor? I like a lot of these spokemon and alot of them I enjoy, because their extensions of their original counterpart. We had alot of just beautiful, beautiful extensions, I think of wevile being an extension of sneasel. Iliked a lot of Toga Kiss, which I thought was just avery nice finishing touch to that evolution line Yanmega. Even the Ebievolutions were just really Nice editions, Dusnor, I think, of as agreat Pokmon, but I liked a lot of what they did with thegenerations here in Genfor, and I really enjoyed a lot of their stage.Tos and my favorite stage to in Gen for and my favorite pokemon of Genfor isGarcham Ni. I was very between the poster child for GENFOR and Lukario andit's pseudolegendary counterpart and Garchop. But when I look at Garcham itreminds me a lot of what we are all right least what I was talking aboutwith Dragopult, an that it has this just mistique to it. It's a very sleek,looking design, it can look very menacing, but it can also look very you know just very cool and sleek. Itjust has this aura to it. That is hard to describe in the big kind of face that is right there. It justcaptures your attention and the color scheme that I really enjoy. So I, like our chop, a lot and I thinkit's my pick for the best pokemon Ingen for while you're in Luckjw, I alsochoose Gochop, I jet COR.

I reellike garcops an easy wiage, enfor,honestly Ye and not not in the sense that, like it's obviously the best, but I think it it's just a great poke about it. Soit's like anyone. I feel like a lot of people appreciate Yourd job, you knowother some other picks might be more contested or like disagreed upon, butguard champ is for sure a tap tier, Jenifor po come on it. Nails like theland shark, like kind of menaging, feel to it. I love like all the elementsthat go into. I love even this: the evolution from gibbl this little choppyboy to Garciv, now a fewrsome creature that roams in the caves and the lands,and it's just so it's so cool, and I Ithink anyone coan appreciate that I'll give a shout out to my second choicethat I was thinking about, which was in Fernape who nails like the tribal kind ofelement to him. I think Frnam, sick but Gardchop waswas for sure. The choice for me wet easy enough: l right best, Pokemon angenfor Garchop. So let's just do a review, quick review, Gen Eig. We saidDrago pult. What's our favorites Gen, seven Raletts Gensix Zernius Gen, fivezecraum engine, four Gar chap now Raley I'll ask on Gen three. What do you loveabout? Gan Thria? What is your favorite Pokemon, an Gen, thre yeah? I think Gen three has a prettyinteresting aray of Pokemon and to me I feel, like I kind of cophedout with my choice. There was a couple I was thinking of a thing of Salamonsas one, but you know I really like Salamons, but now I was as like.Looking at Selman Im like this kind of looks silly yeah yeah and I still love Saa of like Al. Myfavorite poom on. I think its me very he's very wide ind. The wings are justkind of offpudding for me yeah. For me, it's really close. So if you said theother one of the ones, I'm thinking of I'll concede to you, but the one I'm ultimately going tosettle on is going to be kind of gross. I think Metagros is insanely cool and it again similar to Dragopole, andmaybe this is just something I like it- takes like the multiple pokemon ideaand executes on it. Much much better than like a magnaton does ws. You startoff with the Mat. You start with the Belem and the two beldoms become theAtang and the to matangs become the Metagros, but they like actuallycombine into a greater force, as opposed to just being a couple of ATTAPmagnetics. You know, or a couple of of deglits so yep metagros is sick. It hasone of the coolest shines. I think out of any POKEMON. Mategor stands prettyfar ABO it trock yeah Veryyeah, as really awesome, like signature attackbefore it got spread to other pokmon with Medeor Mash. Not really nothing to complain about. Ithink Madagros is really awesome. Yeah. I had hard time choosing for this forthis Gen and I will give my third choice. Metagras was my second choice,so I'm happy to just you know. If we don't end up choosing the same other choice right then I'm happy tosay: metagrasses is the best, because it was a very tough choice, but I thinkthird choice for me was Riquasa just I can't. I don't think that was my secondnice. Oh, that was your second choice. YeahYeah, I was gonna say I don't think I could bring up like Gen three when Ithink about gen three. I think about these three Pokmon and one of them isreaht Quai. It's just maybe the the best. It's like, maybethe best legeneer, it's just so cool. It's very, very cool. I don't know why,but like I think, a lot of it has to do with the color scheme, but I feel likeRei. Everyone agrees on the red on the yellow on the green, that's true! It'sjust has this coolness to it and it's hard to describe an airsnake, that'skind of metalized. You know it's kind of weaponized in a way, but just youknow it wields so much power and then and then you get into like the megareQuaso, which I didn't think they could make, make requasa look better and theysomehow did I'm not a big fan of the mega pomon. But I like Osi s, it looks so God the MegaRequia, just like blows it out of the water. I think so ray UAZA that thatwhen I was making my choices, it felt too much like a Copoutso. I want tomake sure that I said it out loud just that I acknowledge I fel Presday way:Yeah Metagrass, very, very good. I think thethird pokamon that really encamculates gen three and it's beauty and it's you know- uniqueness- is Gardo war andCha. Again- and it feels like a cop out to even say that too, because all thesepokemon have really been kind of shogged down our throat, at least inthe competitive tcg community, where it always seems like they're trying tomake a good metagros so trying to make a good requise of trying to make a goodguardof ar because they know that their...

...design is very good but but for guard of war. I just love thatit is a very elegant and powerful POGRAMON. Again I keep coming back tothis kind of dual viewership of it. You know, if youlike, to look at this pokemon and see it as this serene presence. Then itdefinitely is that if you like to look at this bookmon and see it as beingthis kind of hyper powerful presence, it definitelyhas that and I think just t the dual lends that you can look at. It is veryinteresting and unique. I love the shiny version of it as well, like youbrought up with the metagrass the Shiny Gardo war. Has this blue qee to it anda pink dress? It just looks very regal and elegance and very unique. Ijust think Gardivor s is the simplestic. You know simple is better in a lot ofways, because there's not a lot of flash there's, not a lot of pissess,but it gets the job done and it displays this. This Qarro of of youknow sereneness and power yeah. I honestly gratify was one I probablydidn't give enough time to, as I was thinking about Gendry Pok Mon, becauseit definitely was not in my top couple choices, but I definitely think guardof aritist very cool. I will say one thing I feel likeGardifar kind of was bolstered quite a bit by the edition of Galad. It feellike they play each oer off each other. So well in my head at least, maybethat's just like my own headcan on playing out, but, like you talkd aboutthe nobility of guardapart, and I feel like that's also reflected really welland galayed. It's like almost like her night is how I picture it. You knowsomeone Likh a lot of honor who would like stepup to the plate for guard of our. I just feel like like having that, likeroute to Togardafar almost made the whole line better yeah, like I wouldn'tlike Gardif ar without Galay. I don't think as Yuch and I wouldn't like Telayoot guard of Ar Fair enough and I'm happy to I'm happy to concede, becauseI believe Matagrass is just a beautiful depiction of what it means to be apokemon. It's just it has it all. It's a very beautiful Pokemon, a very welldesigned Pokmon in the concepts all make sense so for Gen, three MadagrassAur best designed Pokemon all right getting down into the weeds were backon the Gameboy, the Gameboy Color Gento, I'm sure we'll probably be pricklingsome people's feathers by the time we get to Gento and about time you know.If you haven't been prickled, I think gen three, we overd, probably if, ifyou didn't have any of those three pokemon in your top three pok moterthree like where are you? You know you have a pulse, but I think Gentu gets alittle bit more wishy washy right for sure. So I can kick us off for this one trom.The obvious choice for me is to say Picu, because PCHU is my number onefavorite Pokmon, I won't say fe Cho, because I could see it. It's just likea baby te could chew. You know, and you know it does, does do that perfectly inmy opinion, but but for me- and I'm saying it too nowthat you've mentioned it. I think there's two Fokon the standabove them all I'll, give second place first and thatwould be tep Ranitar around tyrantart awesome like totally a bodies, the godZilla archetype. You know that it was clearly inspired by, but also like somehow like the rockelements are very clear and it's just a really easy. It's easy to understand:ATARIAN ANTIRLY! You can look at that and, like that's, probably like a darktype, it's probably a rock type. The Sand Stream is sick, like the ideathat it has just this presence that Somons ist like sandstore makes it hardto see. And it's you know it's ominous, almost Trisisur cool, but the numberone pick I gave was another legendary ununfortunately. I gave it to sweetgodand okay yeah. There are some other ones, I thoughtwere really good. Sweet Coon, I think, is the favorite of the dogs. For me it has this like flowinness to it. Itfeels very like natural and mysterious, whereas I feel like the other dogs area little. I don't want to say like ugly but they're like bulkier and like theyfeel like rougher around the edges. Wer Hi Weekand is very clearly like. It feels like a benevolent force thatthat you know gallantly like trances through nature and like purifies thingsaround Iu. Like that's clearly expressed, and it's designed to me t, Ilove the flowing like ribbons almost on...

...the side. I love his name of like cloud.It seems like N, it's just cool like Sweecun when I think of like theroaming pokemons. We could perfectly represent that to me, and so I got togive it to Sweeti very good, very good. I like where your heads it with thatit's a good choice. I have been a fan of this pokemon since, since I found it since I figuredout how to get it Ingento, I have just been in awe of this pokemon and I thinkjust the simplicity is better. The simplicity is better the dual, the dual not type the duel coloring on thispokemon really makes it stand out. As kind of this bold choice, they didn'ttry to do anything crazy with this pokemon. They kept it very much in thebox, but I think for that reason it makes me it makes me smile. It makesme happy. It makes me just think very good things. It's a very fresh, take ona POKEMA. We all know in love and so that, of course, that that originalpokmon is ev and the best, in my opinion, evolved formcomes in Gentu in the form of Ambryon. I'm breons terotypical choice- tothere,yes, yes, yes, yes, Ambrion! Has this this great depiction of thenight, which is very obvious in what they are trying to go for it? Has thisthis blackbody that I mean almost alone without the highlights of white, wouldor of yellow would be enough for me to really U be drawn to this pokemind.It's sleak! It's just! I don't know it's very wellbalanced with the three prongs kind of coming out of it right the two years inthe tail. It's just a nice, well balance poke on there, but then theyadd in the highlights the circles, the moon element to it with the yellow andit all comes together to form this very dark. Spooky Nice, beautiful, elegant,sleek design that I really just can't get enough of again. The beauty is in the simplicity- and Ithink, Ambrion nails that yeah I I will agree. I think I'Mbeyon is probably thebest looking of all the evlucions and is better than most or maybe the bestBokmon of all at representing the like, symplistic less is more kind of design philosophy. You know it's, youknow it's just this creature, it's all sleek black with you know the rings andhe eyes and that that's all it needs, though it perfectly expresses what itneeds to with that small amount of design elements. So I'm bre honest is pretty awesome. Iwill say, and honestly I'll probably just concedethat one to you, I think, I'm Breon is- is Niconic Pokemon for the ages, notthat sweekinison, its probably one of the most iconic fo Uanagento, giventhat it had a you know a game, that's true, but I think the one thing I think thatreally pushes me from Ebron is we're talking about Shinese Realia withMedagarsan Gardivor, and I brown has probably one of the simplest Shineseever you know it changes it. It's huge chages slightly and its rings changedfrom Yellow to light blue c. That is one of the most beloved Shinese in theentire pokemon franchise. Just off of that alone, and I think if, for a goodreason, it looks incredible, it looks great and I, but it feels special. Youknow like Righti'm rounds already good. This feels like a special cool version,so right, yeah I'll give a temprion. Abrion is awesome. The friendshipevolution in the night is its great. It's a cool, pokon cool, all right. Ilove it all right, so we have one gen left, and this is a tough one for me. If we cango back and just review one last time before before we get to genoneDragonpultsan ganaits Rallitt, Gen, seven Gen, six Zenius Genfiv Zecrom,genfor, Garchope, Gen, three Metagross, we just finished up gento declaringUmbryan as our favorite designed, pokemon and Gen one. I will just lay itout: everybody's favorite generation, the one that started it all andtherefore has it's going to be tough to kind of pick away from the nostalgia towhat truly is theear the the solid and best design out of them all. So I thinkthere are a few that we can just eliminright off the bat. I think youknow Weedlel, maybe not the best sure...

...zoo bat, maybe not the best, but someof my favorites from this generation that just have this this attitude. They just have an attitudeabout them. That's the best way that I can put these two pokem on. They havean attitude and it's very obvious, their attitude, whatever that may be ineach design, but my two favorite pokemon one is Garredosand number two is Gengar. I think these two pokemon just both have a beautiful,beautiful, elegant design and they can be presented in a few different ways.The GAREDOS has a bit of a kind of folk legendthe status and some of theartwork and some of the Games, where you just kind of you know it can bedeficted in that way, and then the Gangar has this just very like shadowyhazy kind of Mystique to it, and so I just love thedesigns of the two pokemon the Gangar. I chose that specifically because ithas such a very like simple face like you could put the eyes and the smile,you literally don't even need the rest of the Pokemon, and I would't knowwhether it Gangar Yeap, and that is so so clear that design is so clear and sovivid. In my mind, an and probably many of our listeners minds that gangardjust has to be. You know one of the best design, Pokemon and then same samewith Garedos. You know that that mouth has a very distinct look to it. The youknow kind of the little like Fu man shoe that its got going on very cooland, of course everyone will remember. You know their first time that theyactually got to what was that rage like or like of rageand they caught their first shiny ever just an incredible pokmon, yeah yeah, Ilove the the folk Lord, like the Chinese Folk Lore inspired elements ofGaredos F, those are unfamiliar. There's like a piece of Folk Lor thatif cart is able to scend a waterfall thatit will become a dragon it, a Chinese Dragon. That's that's what Garredos islike repsoting. This pitiful magic harp, it its able to ascend the waterfall ofgetting Ta Level Twenty, if hecomes, something great and Gared us is awesome.It reflects that really well for me and Gosh. I keep saying hereally Yo really messed me up big time there, but I know sorry, the Pokemonthat I'm going to choose feels like a cop out, but I promise it's not withoutintensive thought behind it and I'm going to say Pikachu straight up: okay,okay and there's a lot of reasons. I think so. Pikachu is one of my favoritepokmon. Ever that's not a secret. You can pretty quickly as ascertainthat from any of my social media profiles. From my background behind mefor the viewers Coveran Tikachuts, but to me Pikachu perfectly representspokemon and there's a reason that pikacue became the mascot when theythought it was going to be cliffary, and you know, and for those who don'tknow like the lore behind this, like Pokemon, when they were thinking oflike how they want to market themselves right like how they wanted to createthe anime they were thinking. Cleferi was the pokmono choice, butoverwhelmingly people loved Pekasho. It was D pokemon everybody loved Pikachuwanted a Pikacho. It was the one people talked about. You know because it waskind of rare to get in this. In the Games, you know you had to go aroundreading for EST and just rum around and maybe you'd see one it's a pretty lowchance. Andso Pecu you like out of the gates, a reach, legendary status, andyou can look at big atyu right away. You know it's got this electric feel toit with the Bendetail, like it's very obvious. What picat? U is and does, butit's also cute and easily expressive and and fun and interesting, and youknow obviously there's layers to that. Like ps is shown favoritism and it haslike the animate slot, but I think the only reason was able toget there in the first place was because pikache was so awesome and easyto love and the from to get go. Wow, wew, okay, you made your case, I wouldsay the one detraction for me from Pikachos that they've had to redesign him and I you know not acomplete rehall, but you just look like Gen Ontogentu and then you know howdifferent they are and then Gentuda Gen. you know Curegegen like they just theyjust get different. I worry that with something like Gangard, they kind ofperfected. The design like right off the bat or maybe I don't know- maybethey didn't care enough. You know because it wasn't there their franchisePokemon, but...

I just I worry that Picachu has beenchanged too many times. What is pikachoose when you think AF pickutureis a gen one Pikachu. Is it current Jan Pikatcheu? Is it that werenatal and isit Pikachu with ashes? Haton is a PKCHEW, I don't think a what's that I don't think the hat'sreally a beating ful. I don't know t I understand hat you San, like Pakin, youdid like fin down and gently, I think, is one of the actually like didn', butit hasn't changed really since then, fundamentally, like you know, it's beenPiki you ever since, and I think, like the actual designe philosophy thatmakes Pikicheu like great and easy to understand, is still there like. Youcould take a fat Pika Chew from Genon and it has the benditail. It has theelectric cheeks and the black tipped ears. And that's what to me like allowsyou to understand and like look at Picachi like not only is this adorable,but this is an electric like a mouse like Poka od and that's that's all Ineed to know you know and and Pika cew and Gen. Three still has all that hasthe benytail. It has theblacked EERAS, it has the pouch cheeks and it did get thinner. I will admit youknow, unto the it went on a diet for sure between Jen, two and three, but I think I would still love it if itwas gen won, Pi, Cachu and I'm sure a lot of other people feel the same. I don't know exactly the philosophy whypokemon changed it or its probably something. I read at one point no nowforgotten sure, but I don't think anything is lost if it's bad Pi to andthat's why I'm going to stay stat, I'm going to stay in my ground this one, Ithink Pek Chu is the quint essential pokemon for a reason, okay! Well, I Iwill give it to you. I think that's the perfect capstone to this discussion tojust really bring a full circle to say: PIGA TUB Gen on you you're, the onethat we think of whether it's conscious or not, whether it's just you know thatspot in our heart that you always take up Pika Chu, you are the one for us. Ifyou are our genon best pokemon design on that was a beautiful conclusion. Ithink, to an epic saga of debating about the best and worst pokem on. Ithink we had a lot of great discussion. I'm curious wit. Everyone and chat isthinking. I've got a lot of awesome feedback if you're, listening orwatching on Youtube be sure to leave us some comments or tweeted us. What youthink, if you agree with us, if you disagree with us or if you just havesome opinions that you like to bring to the table for our consideration, we'dbe happy to hear all of that out so be sure to tweet at us at Tagti Pokemon,it's probably the fastest way to reach the both of us together. We both look at that feed and AI. Tryto be as responseive as possible to the things that you say to us and I thinkwith that we're coming about to a close here. We really appreciate all of yourviewership. We appreciate all the subs and we got over the stream session andall the just continued support and love from our community. You guys, I think,we've done a good job as a community of fostering at really positive, healthyenvironment, where people can discuss pokemon and in a friendly and positiveand constructive way. So you know, perhaps all of you guys will be backnext week with some more POK Mon action, probably talking about the rebel clashset that you all have long awaited at this point. So if year not it's coming,and we will see you soon, he that Everon byt.

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