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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 2, Episode 14 · 1 year ago

2-14. Blue Garcia Griego

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

What is up, everybody welcome back totag team, POK, Monteting Card Games for me or podcasting duo. My name is RyleyHolbert joined by my good friend, JW creewall and with us today is a veryspecial guess, as Litlgarsiagriego Tas a little how you doig today, I'm doingdoing great feeling good super excited to keep playing more rebel class, I'mglad that got the new setut. That's what I'm excited for right now. Yea,are you kind of done with the sorton shield set yeah that was down stuperstale super fast APSATION is the king. We can leave it at that yeah. It's a pretty bad format. I think,generally speaking, ar at least very played out yeah yea FK is one is played out likein you know, two weeks or whatever yeah it didn't take very long for it tobecome played out yeah. I agree for sure. So I think we could just jump rightinto it. Then you said you're loving, rumbl clash. What is it that makes itso fun and interesting Nyo I mean I don't think it's anything moreso than other sets it's just new cards. I justget excited to play. Like I always say my favorite format is the next formatthat we're not playing in yet because there's just new stuff, I just want newstuff, so it's fresh right now and it probably because the sort andshield forme was so bad that just having anything new is justsuper exciting yeah. Well, you sound just like every single one of mytwitchfewers. They can't appreciate what they got.You know have to move out of the next newest thing, but that's cool yeah. What have you been looking atsome of the new news stuff, you know we're getting like two sets ahead ofourselves, but from that dark stuff, as like kind of kind of ask, so I do I dolook at the new cards a little bit yeah. The dark stuff looks pretty good superexciting to see just some kind of pushing super strong to just give types of just a strong boost, like veryO, maybe like hopefully not too overpower thing.Ation was a little overboard, t the metal, sauceer and all the support itgot immediately, maybe a little bit too much on Zation side, but hopefully thisones not quite as overar or maybe just enough to match it, and then maybethat's whet were in a match, the Trenth that Zation had with every type, but I usually don't look too far headthe new hatd. A lot of peope. Ask me a lot of questions. I'm, like I don'tknow, I haven't, read the cards like I look at the Stuf on Foa beach once andthen I won't look at at it until the SECO'm ut. I don't like test newformats or think I don't come up with decklass for new sets I' like when thecars come out on PDCJO. That's when I play them. Otherwise, up to that point,you know I look at the set when the Fon, the full official setless, come out, OTho sehe only time. I really look at the cards in depth at all then, butthen past that I don't look at them until they come out PDCJO fair enough. I personally am not a bigfan of getting too deep in the in the sauce with new sets before they comeout. It's like you stop games to play in that's Partmat. You know yeah.Speaking of this format, are you going to be playing in Thelimi Lis cafirethis weekend, yeah I'm going a ply, I'm going to play not quite locked in on adeck yet, but a couple couple decks that I reallylike definitely going to play. I was this: The last one I didn't play inqualified to because the new senthad just come out so I'd much rather, youknow not play against, like I expected Mutu Mali mark to dovery well and it did in Qualifi or to, and I sut you that to be a Goa to deckfor a lot of people who, like were kind of like tracking how the MEDA shoulddevelop and like knowing that just like. If you just want to beat mill, you justplay me to Mallimar, so I didn't want to go into a tournament plane againstanpzation mill, which is super nown against, and then Muto Malimar, whichis also super annoying to play against theise, is Marni and Trevnor you. So Ididn't play inqualifierd to gut. I playang qualify whone. I was a ton offun, it's like a very long day, but it's definitely is worth it, especiallywith no other competitive, real big competitive events. Going on a D now,I'm super excited for the qualifyer there coming up co, expanding ill, gotthat sorry, Ono go ahead, go head. Do you think, there's like a longtermpotential for Pokemon to start adopting online tournaments? I mean it seemslike it's been a huge et. Do you think that's just a product of the quarantineor is that something that could potentially become part of our circuit?I mean, I think I definitely. I don't think the client can currently supportit on a like TPCI circuit level. I think if we ever saw them, you knowcome out with a new client or make major changes to the carrent one. Ithinkthat would actually be a tell that they want to do that, but I wouldn't, I think I would likeLimin Listo continue doing this. You know past when you know the thereal life events come back and I think yeah part of this success is, you know, part of you know, Quarantini,no, nothing going on competive ane. A lot of people do just love the game, sothey want to play it on a competitive level. It's super. It's like I mean theenergy I had just by playing and then qualifyer one was like so high, I lovedit. It Os a ton of fun. I love competing again and yeah. I just a ton of fun. So Ithink that is a big thing. People don't get that kind of Tryintolin Rush, whatever you want tocall it right now, because we don't have any turns Gong on so that does. Iwas actually super surprised. There was only like it was like nine hundred andfifty for the first call fire. I...

...thought the second qualifier would dropoff by by a couple hundred, but it was like ten people less than qualifier one,and so I think paufire this is, should be the biggest one yet with the newsetout, so yeah, hopefully it gets bigger. I hope they continue. I don'tknow if they have I'm sure they probably have a plane to continue itpast. These. These first four qualifies in the invitational because of how muchsuccess it's had hopefully keeps growing, and I would like to seeLimila's kind of at least establish their own online circuit. Whether youknow pokomon comes out with something like official for online tournamentsWat, the way and seeby. I don't think they will unless we see a massiveoverhaul on the client- and I think if they do do that. Well, definitelythat'll leftet be a sign that they plan on running online. Tournaments M. Youspeak, you know about the about the tournaments online circuitand how excited you are for that, and I just want to ask like being away fromthe competitive circuit, and that was you know. IRL was so huge. What have you been doing duringquarantine to kind of stay on top of your game and to remain? I don't know,I guess relevant. If there isn't a competitive circuit in real life, you mean it's just like as being acompetitor or like yeah yeah, exactly I mean just playing on pdcgos the mostpar. I mean I've. Never I meade my like tryhard play testing with my grouphad kind of fallen off quite a bit like the last three like three years andmost of my my plane really just come through just through the content likestraming making videos. That's where most of my play time with pokemon comesfrom over like the last couple years. I guess for like InternationalChampionships and like worlds and stuff they're, definitely bea little bit more time set aside for testing, especiallylike the days leing up to the vent. Getting there a couple days before andso on, I play a lot, but it's pretty much the same for me as far as like youknow, kind of keeping up and keeping up with competing or just trying to stay.You know, on top of my game, its just the same stuff. I've been doing thelast couple o years, which is just treaming PDCGO and then making makingcontent in general yeah. Would you say that recently, your content has been getting better it snow that you have maybe more time to devote to it yeah yeah. Definitely Ifeel like for sure it's been I've given me time to kind of refine some of thestuff that I've wanted to, or just even being able to like see some of thestuff that I even really have time to like go out of my way to like makebetter kind of realizing that something I can improve on and then just kind ofdoing more of it, especially with the streaming being uple to stream moreI've, always kind of wantd to stream as much as a I possibly could. But I waskind of limited by I used to have like longer coachinghours, because you know back when there was a competiseasonpeople, there's some more desire to for coaching way less now, and then I hadyou know the long, weekends, regional weekends, but that's most of that'sdiminished to pretty much nothing. I mean obviously, there's no regionalsanymore stuff like that, so a lot more strenming, which has always been mygoal, iss I just kind of stream as much as possible like to actually delve into that alittle bit. What kind of inspired you? What was the path that you took to getto this content creations like stage or niche and Pokemon? I guess. Obviously,you had a great history and story as a player, but what about content creationin particular was inspiring to you. A lot of it comes from. I've, never wanted a lot of. It comesfrom I've, always just like, like I remember,watching just people streaming back on Justin TV before it was twitched TV,and I was just always very din't of know the right word, I'mlooking for like captivated by that, and just watching people do stuff likethat, an a a I was there when twitch first became a thing watching thatimmediately as that came out and a lot of it come from that, and then always Iused to watch a lot of youtube videos like way back in the day, people like Filto, Franco, Etn, some on th smash who's, the other one yeah Nigahiga a was kind of. I wasalways just. I always really liked, like just watching people createcontent. It's always been something ive wanted to do like make youtube videos, and you know,as I watch you know, Justin TV become twitch and SA on stream on twitch andso on, and I seemed like I sumed like lead. He leends a long time ago for alittle bit and then I did a shoom for a while andthen I just started. I think it was after I won Florida regionals withevatal garb IC stream. I started streaming again. I think it was afterthat, a couple months after that, maybe is when I started sreaming Ptcgo ontwitch and it's always been something I wantedto do, whether or not you know o I'm down to the point where I'm doing apretty much full time, which is great. I don't know if I ever I knower it wasalways kind of like a dream to be able to do something like this full time in ever plane on definitely doing it,but the fact that I'm able to do it is great and a Ya. I was always just kind oflike I want to do it and you know whether or not I can do a full timewe'll see but yeah just kind of started doing it, because I just thought it was cool yeahand just keep doing it, because, because you think it's cool I mean:Where do you think that you are in terms of your story, content creatinglike how far do you want to go with it?...

And you know: Where do you think youcan end up? I mean I don't know. Hopefully it keepsgrowing. I would love to stay. You know in Pokemon specifically andkeep doing that. I don't have the unfortunate highest hopes for that.Because of the way you know, Dhat, Ptcgo and kind ofthe online client is treated it. Doesn't I don't see it having a longlife span unless they, let's poke them on Intendo? Whoever needs to dosomething does something about it. You know, I hope to say in the the wholeyou know: twitch sdreaming Youtube content creation into some to some capacity. You know and just tyou know I might not be doing pokemon you know for the rest of my life. Maybe a new car game comes up. You know,hopefully something better than Roun Tera but yeah. Maybe a new car game comes up andI start playing that or I don't know something comes along and I'll, justI'll switch over to that an and shream me and stuff, especially as I expectPtcgo orjus poke, ONN general to dwindle. Maybe I mean I assume if thethe the CARDIAN the IRL turns of stuff, starts thriving and continues sdrivinglike the way it has been the last couple of years. They will probablylook at you know upde in ecline, doing something big like that, because I'mvery jealous of what the the guys have were there with magic, the the magicarena. Client. That thing is Super Sik, so yeah, I don't have a with the way it'sgoing now. I don't have super high expectations for it to lase forever.Although that's the way that's the way, I would like it to go F for Bokemon.It's interesting because I feel like we've had multiple people now criticizethe tcgo client and say that's. I guess one of the things that thePOKMON Trady car game is lacking compared to other games, and I feellike every time we kind of go over what things would you do to improve it? Sowhen you look at Tcgo or your vision for how that might look, what arecertain things that you would hope that would be included? I mean there's like so there', so manythings there's so many basic things that I feel like they have thecapability of doing I mean I'm, not I'm not someone who can like make theseClientsi have no idea like as far as like the coding goes, and all of thatwhat it would acta take to do some you thing, but even Jus, something assimple as just folders for decks. So I can, you know, put my dexk in Pecificalsod. I can have two thousand and seven worlds, a foller with decks inthat, but the biggest and the first thing they should dodefinitely is just a ranked ladder right. That's the first!That's the first thing and I think it would draw so many people there's somany people who I know who like have PDCGO, but no one plays the ladder,like the latter definitely Mo. The most plate is probably been in a while withthe with the quarantine going on, but if they just had a ranked ladder- andyou could come up with some very like cosmetic prizes, for you know being thefirst place or top ten at the end of the month, makeing a monthly latter,like every other car game, does just copy heartstone system, no one's,no one's Gonno falt you for it like Os. I just don't understand it becauseyou look at Pokaman go and you look at the video game and they are you knowthey both have a ranked ladder. They both have a ranking system. It's likewhy not pcgo yeah! That's like the first thing and I feellike they have to be able to implement something with that in the currentclient I mean, like I said I don't know the they struggled with beast energyfor a long time, so I don't know how hard it is for them to change stuff onPDCGO. So it's either tall is nothing and I wish they would just be. I wousSAI've been saying this recently. It's like I wish they would just at leastcommunicate with us and tell us you know you know we want to eventually dosomething we want to make these big changes. We can't right now or we'renot going to do anything ever, and this is what your guys are. GOIN TA have tojust work with until you know it fizzles Doun, and then we stop updatingthe client, but it some communication would be great or if, if they were justactively doing something that would be enough, but we're kind of in a areawhere they're not actively doing anything they're, not communicatingwith us and telling us. You know we want to make these big changes. We can,or these big changes are coming or anything so yeah, but the ranked rankladder would definitely be it would draw so many people to the game like Iwould be grinding there, the thirtieth of every month, thirty first, whateverI would be sitting there grinding game, trying to get that first place seed.Our first place pot at the end of every month for sure, and that would be thefirst step for sure. Just a ranked a ranked ladder for sure yeah, I totally agree rank la, would beso much fun. At least even if it didn't draw more people would be more fun thanthis current like fall our card, or you know some useless supporter from bivesets ago. Yeah Yeah, I don't don't ill talk. Bonni probems already have my place hat upall our bodies soand. The market value, is now crashed, broad clibe that Clab didn't even play.Nt Bonnie and his Zy Guargx teck brother Soingboy, felt like it should be likecool and funbt yeah. I meanyeah. If you...

Feelitso, definitely felt like meemember when I first read the car an I was like it. I feels like one of thosecars that it's kind of like scary, like Oh, this can be abused, that's likereally scary, but yeah. Obviously Boning, not quite that kind of card notquite able to play support in hi statum, every tunconsistently, so yeah, whowould have thought an that actually makes me think ofdifferent route of Pivo Tos. So what is your biggest like deck or carddisappointment of all time in Pokemon deck or card disappointment likesomething I tried to make work or I thought would be good or yeah exactly?Yes, Oh man, that's a tough one trying to think I feel like. I was hyping up somethingrecently and then I tried it out and I just couldn't quit like. Maybe it'ssomething from sor and Shiewil recently, I can't come up with anything off thetop of my head. Oh, I guess flap like recently flapplefrom rebel quash. I don't know if it's the biggest, but I read tha card. Iread the stadium like Turfield is an insanely good card; yeah, it justdoesn't quite have but the card s where the boom is like. Okay with the therileboom Milla boom deck is like okay, but yeah flak. I thought Fla, who wouldbe really good, but everything has a little bit to NHHP and it's like alittle bit too slow actually to get enough flapples like out there to havegotten enough damage value out of them. So recently, flapp O, I can't come upwit ther'- probably been a bigger one in my past, but flapoll as it recently.Yes, the I thought he was Goinna, be so goo MOUs haven him up to, but he coIttodon the other side of that coin. Just is there a card from your youththat you remember very distinctly that maybe I don't know that you wereparticularly drawn to that. Maybe you know got you into the game or somethingthat you just remember the artwork very distinctly. I actually don't know toomuch of your back story. When did you start playing and then can you give mea card from when you started playing that just always holds that specialplace in your heart. I started playing in two housand, likemat like ended, two thousand and nine two thousand and ten like I started like going to Leagueintwo thousand and nine, and then I started playing in like tournaments intwo thousand and ten ous. I played a little bit two thousand and ninebecause I did play a little bit as I played like three tournaments as asenior specific card that I can M. I mean theone card, the card that I kind of like defaulted, like I, don't really have a favorite pokemon, I say its shop itbecause that's the card. I used to win my first regional championships, but I don't really have like I mean acar. I can't really think of. Like I mean that can pick yeur cards in myhead from all the way back then, but I can't like one doesn't really stand outto me, particularly yeah. I don't really. I don't really it's. I don't really, like I even say,like you know, I'm not overly drawn topokemo. Like I didn't play the video games, I've never finished a POKEMONvideo game. I've only put one vite agame, I played Ta Soran Shield and Ihaven't even finished that one I think, if, like I had played magic, le me and my brothers had played magic or Yugio. I would just be playing thaton the same competitive level. I think I like I'm nothing. Nothing really tiesme to poke hem on until you know tol this point where I'm just deep into it.Right, like nothing, was keeping me in e in the card gameearly on, besides kind of my friends that were in the game that I madethrough it and then until up to this point, where I've kind of devoted my current career path towards it, justbeing a content creator in it Yoa nothing was really time. You need topoke them on, besides kind of my friends in the game, I'm not overlylike attached to pokemon in general, I really enjoy the game, but you know Inever played the video games. I don't have it like a special like attachment.I don't have a Frai really I don't truly have a favorite pokem on. I justgive it to shop. It but yeah there nothing, nothing thatcomes to mind really for that for sure. So what brought you into the game then?Was it your brothers? Did you have friends who played what like? Are youinto the scene? So yeah we had always had cards like everyone had pokem oncars are pretty much. Everyone had pokoon cards, and then we had a friend me and my brothers hada friend who, like also had cards and like went to League, and he, like youknow, brought us the League one time, and then we playd that league and youknow, and then you know I have two brothers and a sister who used to playso we'd be playing Poklema all the time at our house, and then we go to leagueon the weekends an then we started going to our first couple: tournaments and yeah. We just we just played a lotlike gas, something that we did so we continue doing it yeah. I don't. Inever had like a yeah and we juststart playing. We startplying from. There went to League bunch of tournaments and then you know started getting pretty good at it,because me and my brothers played all the time. My brothers were pretty goodtoo. Unfortunately, they both decided to quit right as they aged up tomasters, so they didn't really give it their all and see how good theyactually ould have been. I think they would have been prety Ogod if they keptplaying. We were all pretty good. I wasn't like any better than them at allwhen we were playing, they just didn't want to continue with it like I did. Ialways think it would have been realy interesting if my brothers had continueplayin like we. I think we would have been pretty good in the game if we hadall played together and continue plane, the Ah they kind of gave up on it asthey made their way. NTO The master's...

...division scary thought three of the Riego brothers just K,yeahominating the I actually, I think we could have. Ithink we could have had, because we played a lot like when we were together.We play a lot. We like weare like more thorough and testing, even though ofour Dr ideas and our mindsent wasn't as refined as like. I am now with mytesting, like we had like ideas behind. Like my I remember my brother played atnationals. He played a quadon fan deck. It was like two years in a row for mybrother. It was. It was a very funny actually, two years in a row, he payedagainst the only autoloss he could in top sixty for at natts one was. He wasplaying he's playing the STEELEX Stek. He looks prime, and we didn't. Wedidn't talk to anyone. We didn't know any. We came up with the stealocksprime on our own, with with like the healing, where you constantly healed itand he hit the only was it called the Shup it there's a Shup edeck bith likea one one blazakin in it. He had the only one of those in Topsic he for andhe lost. He would have won nationals that you're almost guaranteed if he hadnot hit that guy in top six befor and then the next year he plays a QuaddonFandeck, but we didn't test the dark by Mutu match because we didn't know darkby Mutuhad existed and then we would have played lashemoger in his list forsure if we had no existed and he lost to that Guy Yei, like the testing back then, withmy brother's like we always, it was very, like we ere, very refined indwhat we were trying to accomplish, obviously probably now as good as itwould have been to the stabbut yeah yeah whuld have been ialways, think Bakwould havebeen ineresting if they had continued playing for sure. Yeah plusis always good to having resources close to home, right, yeah, yeah forsure for sharing oble to slam some games. It's great bother, Soun'sconvenient at least yeah. Definitely definitely so is you take mea someone who- and you can correct e if I'm wrong here, but you go all onthings that you do. It seems like your very on Devok on you've kind of gone.All in on the streaming thing has there been any other hobbies that you've likepicked up throughout your life that have also like warranted thisinvestment of time and interest. Yes, yeah. I definitely am very all Idon't like doing something I like doing. I only like doing things if I can becompetitive at them. That's why yeah that's why I, even in like pretty much in anythingeven in like video games, like I don't like playing video games, where I can'tbe competitive about it stuff, like just kind of call them out that theanimal like animal crossing. You know, I know a lot of people, love agame, butthose kind of games and like stuff, like minecraft, wfor, I's kind of likean endless cycle of just you know doing stuff over andover again, there's no, no like competitive side to it, but legallegends is something that I used to play. A ridiculous amount ofLeagal legends and I say, O I likeit yeah like andlike I would wake up play legal legends. Go to bed, wake up, play the goletes goto bed. So that's! That's! Really! The only other thing but yeah, if it's, ifit's, if I can't be competitive at it, that I don't like doing it and if I do,if I can be competit ove of it and like I don't like doing something and nottrying to give it my all and try to be the best that I can at it. So this pokemon obviously is where I'mmated at right. Now with that, but yea had legal legeends is like the onlything I mean. I know, like you said, like Hobby Video Games in general. Iguess in Bea Hobby, but Lega lendness for me was definitely like used to be like something I used to do,give it my all a and was like literally the only thing I did, because I wantedto be the best that I could at it. I committed many many hours to legallegends, F R. FOR A couple years. An I always kind of wish. I could have hadtried a little bit harder. I remember you know Lik I got the highest. I gotalmost the highest HRIK, you could diamond din it and then I kind of justlike stopped there. I Lai, okay, that's pretty good, I'm gonna, I'm going Ta chill it that Ialways kind of wish. I, if I could one of my regets I goes, would not betrying harder, Atlegal legends and once I got to that point, I kind of likedefinitely could have gone further in that and, if thin regret not giving it a little bit more. Maybe Iwold't have been able to make anything more out of it, but definitely try to alittle bit harder at that something. I regret not doing well ther's a littleGD on the LCS stage. Still he plaing wards, though yeah Iwalt t'T, buy the words, but but back that back dhewn a lot of back. Then alot of people didn't buy word. So I think it was fine o fit right in withlike wild turtle and stuff. So I guess so yeah. So now we have three different bascets.At least we have the league. We have streaming Ande Pokemin. I would likeone peak from each of those activities, one peak like what not a peek arom butlike a high point, I like, like a Zeno like a po like a peak yeah, soscreaming POKEMON and legal legends. All right. Well, I meanfor Pokemon. I think it's pretty easy is going to be, and I didn't even havethat. I din't even do that Ele, but it was definitely not this season, butlast season, when just ha group I was a part of waskind of winning we're winning so many tournaments at it was such A. I was agreat group of guys. It was just like a fun to show up to every tournament, ndbe with them and win the tournament and feel I didn't never felt Kocky, butlike feeling so confident that F, if you know, if I just played my best andthen we all play our best one of us as...

...going to win the tournament like andthat was like and then the best moment was definitely when, when Isaa won, Australia wit theAzaptis ice, that's Tlik was super fun to PLEC. To our list. Wasn't that greatwe didn't spend, we could have spent a lot more time on the list, but like thedeck was we are so far ahead of whatever an elce was playn. It didn'treally matter ive ad right Fulk for volcar and their peakeram. So I mean itwas going to be an easy tournament. Wut Yeah that was t the peak of my Pook ONS.Definitely that that whole season, pretty much was just I mean towards the end. It kind of felloff quite a bit, but you know the for the first, thefirst half in middle was it was great. That's definitely like the peak, andeven though I didn't have that Qriteo results. That year I mean I got IM. Idid decent at the ICS and then a guy got a couple seconds at regionals, butlike overall, it felt like it couldn't get better than that, because even if Iknew, if I just played my best, one of us was winning the tournament almostguaranteed. It felt like every time we walked into a tournament, so that wasdefinitely the as far as pokemongoes. That's definitely the peak moment rightthere yeah, so I don't know it feels like forstreaming. It's like every time a new set releases, the Stream- that's likethe my favorite stream. Every like set relea stream is like my favorite stream.So my my peak for for shreaming is the next hid release. I can't wait for that. One, that'sgoing to be a ton of fun excited for that, and then you want to wont for LegalLegends as well. Yeah Lectence, I mean it's. Definitely Idefinitely like when I first the first like season like season three legallegends. Two thousand, I don't even know whon. That is that's when I firststarted playing the first start playing the game. I gotBym I played with my friends in normals like every day when they weren'tplaying, I would play by myself. I got to rank thirty and I just wentimmediately. interracked didn't play normals. Ever again. I rarely ever playa game on normals. I can't remembr the last time I played a game, an normallyalegends. I hate it once I got into ranked it was just like frank was likeall I cared about playing, then horrl game. There was like no, it was like itfelt like. I was wasting time when I could be playing a ranked game and thenyeah just hitting diamond felt like that was a back. Then that was like afelt like like. I want a regionals back then for like when I got diamond inlegal ledence. It was insane it was great. It was my first season plane. Iknew that was a big accomplishment in itself and yeah. That was that mean for alegal ledens that was, it was just like hitting diamond in my first seasonplaying. I wasn't even at the end of the season. I was like a little bitover halfway season through so that felt felt pretty ridiculously good. To achieve that, that's pretty awesome. Idefinitely was not dimond. My first season, I played a ridiculous amount of league,though, when my like, literally it was wakeup, play Li legends go to bed as asmany hours that I could actually play lathe legend. That's I was playing lheAlegence. I was obsessedith the game yeah. It was a lot of legal legends.Yeah, that's a not an uncommon story. I feel, especially in the season three and fourdas I feel like that was some peep. I was yeah the Yeah Gamehealth a lot better back then,to far fun at least yeah definitelydefinitely cool. So I think one thing that you called outis a peak. Was You know your experience with you know the gang and being ableto dominate those tournaments for so long and I'm sure one thing a lot ofpeople, ere, realizing or thinking on the sidelines is you know what's goingon here? How are they able to consistently come up with such goodideas? Do you have any insight into what that process looks like you now togive away any sort of secrets or anything yeah like how would someone uptheir game to be able to? You know refine their list come with strongerideas? What's the strategy that there's into that, I mean so a couple. A lot of it is, youknow, just kind of trying to figure out what you want to beat in a tournament,and I like to think I'm pretty good atPredicting Meadows for tournaments in general, andthat's like the biggest strength you can of, because, if you're deck, ifsomeone's deck is, you know, built to beat everything. That's like ter, oneto t or three theire, ducxt Ein to be worse than a deck. That is simply builtto beep like four decks and then can handle some of the tear three decksright. It' going to be a stronger deckoveralso when you, when those nexts meet you're, just going to you're,going to probably just beat them right, because your dekars are fine to justbeat those, and one of my I think, Stanald deck was the clos upongarbage or that I got second with at. WAS IT MEMPHIS MADISON ONE OF THOSEMEMPHIS YEAH? I was like. I want to be Zoridec and I din't en know bustle waslike going to be a deck, but it beat Buzzwle sto that was cool and then I was like I lose the guardfor, and I was like, but no good player are going to play. guardboard. None ofthem did if there's going to be any n date to it's going to be very little irwas very little on day to, and you know, I kind of walked through thattournament pretty easily had a tough one against myhone in the top for buteverything else up to that almost went ni now, on the day, one a tie OGrininja that I should have been and then tied my hole ing, but is lookingvery good for me and game three. So I...

...almost went Ni know one day, one likefeeling good super good about that one, a the that's kind of like the the onething I think, I'm very good at is kind of like predicting tournaments, so oieither want to play the broken deck. You know a broken deckthat no one knows about so eisther playing eight like in the in sor andshield you either playing ATP Atian, nothing beats it. So you can't youeither are playing the broken deck or you playing a deck that beats it, buttakes losses somewhere else o something like tbabis soff, one SOS onln like theSOR and Shield Med. It's like very hard to come up with anything B, Yeah you'relooking to either play the best list of the broken deck. The good example isate pusition you're, trying to play a broken deck that other people justdon't know about. A good example of that is the to Zor deck that we came upwith an expanded which is definitely best at Portland, because that was likewhen no one had any idea what the heck was going on when we were playing that or you just want to be playing a deckthat, where you call the Meta really well and you're, like I'm, going tobeat these four decks because I know these are the two decks, even thoughthey're really good just aren't going to show up. No one's going to play them,so I don't have to worry about them. I'll. Take the else of those just beatthese decks over here and get myself that big advantage. Now now, when yousay no one, are you referring specifically to like the fiel at largeor when you met a game? Are you looking at what the best players will play itcan be, it can be a mix of both, so it can be. You can look at just what thebest players are going to play and that's something I personally do. A lotis I'll fee, like the good players are not going to theabove average players, the better players. You know the people who areyou know constantly making day to no surprise if the win the event oreasily top EIT, the event they're not going to play that deck so the and thataffects that's mostly a draw towards the day to Meta in general, becausethere's two different medos there's the day, one metter and those the day toMeta and and something that we haven't seen in a whild. Is that because of youknow e apdation being so good? It is the day one Medod is also the day toMeto. So we don't see that as much as we have in the past, and I feel likeeven in the recent years- it's less it's becoming less and less so thatthat's a thing because the information share is so high and everyone is like leaning towards lessdecks, beat like the the most popular DECS are more and more popular likethere's just less there's a less deck being played overall, so we're just seing less of adifference between day one and two Meta overall for sure. Excuse me whatwas your origional quetion again,so I went off on there. Oh just that, are you medigatin yeah, the cokplayersAr Yeah Y H, so yeah it depends, depends on what thewhat decks are in the Meta and if like there is a specific deck that is good but not too heavily played. Ithink a good example going back to that Memphis ar ma was gardvor was like apretty good deck even at that time, but I was like it's a good deck, but it'sjust like it's not it's Git, no matter, what' happens, it's not going to be asuper heavily playe deck and I just know the the better players are justnot going to play this deck. So I just don't have to. I don't have to ave whatif I make theday to if I hit them Inday one, oh well, I hit them Inday, one o amake it today to they just won't exist, and they just didn't exist in day toI'm so that Wat that one specifically was h. no one's is going to just no one'sgoing to play this, but sometimes it is something o moreoverall metow like something you can just be like. I'm just going to countBla baby blounes out this tournament for so and so reason, and so on, Eher,whether you think people are going to heaily teck for it like even going intoqualifier to it would have been a pretty good bet to just be like everyone's going to be switching decksthat beat mill or hat or people are going to teck more against me. So I'mjust not going to play to beat mail that would have been pretty safe bet. Ithink I think mill saw a jurastic downswing in terms of play and successfrom qualify one to qualify our do at least in today, two and day one. Idon't know if it was still super popular by I'm pretty sure the day twonumbers were Waig down than what they used, then the what they were 'nqualifyed one so going from quatfire one to quaafire to whitould, have beenan okay bet to just not prepare yourself. Your own deck for mill, justbased on assuming people would tech for mill, be more prepared for me, justknowing the matchup better and then just beating playing a deck like theMutu Malimore. That was super popular that just beats mill. So I 's it's amix, it kind of depends on what the good decks are and then what kind oflevel of tournament is as well then as a followed. That is there anysort of method that you employ to predict the metagame or what kind of you know, strategies to you use to helpfacilitate your predictions of what people might play just just kind of thinking about theMetol, that's kind of it, and it's almost kind of like thinking about yeah,just kind of like thinking about and like would I just kind of askd myself, thequestion of, if I do think people would play this deck or, if I think the youknow, if it's a situation Wer, I'm like what do I want do I want to like, ifI'm trying to specifically beat what I think the better players in thetermment are going to play. Do I think they'll play and I kindofask myself like quethion. I answer yes on. No like a good one would be just belike spell tag Maa marm like do the do. I think the better players going toplay SPELTAC Malamar the answers, no Bu,...

...the people at larger con place abouttace Malm Mar the answers also know so we're kind of just G to take the ELTESPELLTAG malamall right. So I crys ask ask myself to question then I kind ofjust like think through it, and then I just come up with a yes or no justbased on kind of my knowledge and play throughout playing the game, so I have so much of it. So I've beenplaying for so long now. Just kind of thinking about you know in the past. Dopeople tend to trend towards these kind of decks? Youknow yes or no. Do I expect Yu to stick on them? Ges or no pekrom would definitely beone wore. It's like its probably going to show up. Good players also enjoyplaying it, so you expect them want to come, especially when, like with rebbelclass, there's so much peakround out there. So that's like you know I justkind of asked myself the question that just kind of think about it. That'sthat's! That's kind of my whole process on that Fou that one it's a worthy process. Indeed, let's talk about rebel clash a littlebit now then, so you think Pikeram is going to be big. We got the qualifiercoming up, you're, potentially playing in it. What are some of the decks thatyou predict, as someone who has affirmed themselves, is being good atpredicting metagames, be a part ofouthe plashformat, putting them on the spot and what you say Canon will be usedagainst you and for the record. I definitely think I used to be betterat it. I don't know, I don't know what change, but I use teiny. I think it'sactually harder to predict MED ISANE NE as t the information share is so high,ther're, just simply less deck in the tournament, so it's harder it's harderto like weave between decks. It's just kind of like heres five backs all andbe really popular. You have nothing you can do about. It is what it s feelslike it is more now, but for the qualifier this weekend, atpsationsstill going to be really big because we haven't DEX, haven't developed enoughto prove and there has't been ab like no one's can prove that they can beatAy psation consistently or they kind of dominate it besides. Obviously, babyblons like has an advantage, but even then it's like not that big advantage,such with people going up to higher marny counts, is getting closer andcloser. So teapusation still going to be super big.I think Drago poll's going to be super bigous, a cool new deck that seems tobe able to stick around or hang against the the ATPSITION. So everyone wants toplay that one just because it's like something cool something: new, Heycommunity, pzation, that's pretty cool and it doesn't loose tot everythingelse and then Pikaram. I just do there's just so much pekr around mytther. I see people talking about I've seen a couple like tournaments. Youknow people playing with the rebel clash cards and there's like fourpeakarams and their top AITS, I'm like well. Why are thet all these beingaround here, so ther ist? A lot of I think a petgarom is going to be superpopular as well definitely got better speed, iergies in the samely good card.It was like on my top ten liist for for Rebbel class. I thing I put as mysecond card like even if it, even if it's tall zero play the card wouldstill be ansanely brokeen like if it if a release with rebel clash and it's Hozero play from now to the end of time in pokem on the card would still beinsamely broken because drawing two cards when you attache your energy forturn, is insane. That's just US two cards right so yeah those thre are going to be thebig ones, and I think, like I don't know what like baby well SEF onwith definitely be more popular than whatever's next, but I don't even knowwhat comes after those four like I really like Geraci prisom starsation,but it's not going to be heavily played. I think at all then thei stuff liketetricity, which I think is like the only other new deck T. I can reallyhang with everyone because it really cant if you just draw, if you like, ifyou just draw decently, you just beat down on anything. That else is big.Like you just beat Apsation, you just beat drag a Paul like you just oneshotting everything so that deck, I think it's pretty good.Obviously, Ou can't hang against babbill suffalon. It's just kind of abig dude, this worths a lot of price cards. So that's that's. What Tay,beople stuff on loves, AN HAVE NO TRICKS to get extra prize cards so, butif You'e, just if you're playing up again striggop, pols and ATP ations allday, then the toxistityis- actually, I think pretty good, but those are like the only new decxsfirebox, which is something I've been playing. Decent, O minen with recentlyon stream, felt really good felt, really good, Obeing able to one shot. A vmax feels really nice and he tran can do that. You know give Hem if you give them acouple terms on a couple: WELLDHERES MITV is very good at setting them up,so I think that teck will see. I think that Tike, if we'll see a lot ofsuccess, I don't know how the heavily played it will be by think firebox willse a lot of success and it has been recently in the qualifiers, the otherqualifieres as well. I think it's definitely an underrated deck,definitely a deck that people. It has a a stigma around it, where it's uhave torun super hot. It's really clunky, it's really inconsistent. It's not the deckis fine. He's got to learn how to pilot it properly titev as a ton ofconsistency to the deck of ICAN, WHIFFA Welther, but still have enough energyin play to actually be ahead in the prize exchange. So I expect a ton ofexist success out of that deck. I might play that one myself, it's up there onmy list after playing so much with it recently they had the big ones, Pekerom,apzation and Drago poll. Those are the big three forsure for sure. I always find it interesting that firebox gets thatinsane stigma around it when it was piloted by top players to Consistinsuccess at some of the biggest and most prestegous events in Pokaba yeah andthe one that I brought a presont was on Robin Robin and Nico were like the onlytwo players to like play that build of abilities. Areat, I believe at Brazil, Robin Winns Nico was Fivo. Iknow he said he I think he choked some games like Roniko, should have been inday to there as well and who knows how far he could have gone at Brazil andthey were like the only two people...

...piloting that new age abilities ard atthat tournament, and then you had lessage again Australia. You knowhiling it to the second place, not a whole, not a whole ton. I changewith like his Bu, I mean got the VGTNV, which is actually huge for that.Actually, I don't know if he played the btnv, he had the volcaneand like it isstill pretty good. He had the vtnv O, he didn't have the Volcang and that'srigh hat the VTV, which is ike, actually a big, a big deal in the that,because it gives you like an extra turn to wihwelder so yeah, and then he was one of the fewpeople playing it as well. He maybe the only one in dayto. Maybe there was two but yeah people like to knock on it, sothey don't play it. It has that weird stigma around it, which, which kind oflike people, don't even play that at because, like Oh, it's supposed to be ajust to run in sanely Hond, its super inconsistent and Conky, I'm not ingoingto try it and then, when people you know play for a couple games, they getthat one hand where it's six, fire Egy and a Bolpix, and they just give up onit immediately. So yeah definitely does not deserve the the hate it gets at allsuper strong deck right now it isn't as consistent as PikaramOrization, ATP or Dragopoll, but it's not bad for sure. That's not a reasonto not play the deck right. Well, it's got a fundamentally more complicatedgame plan right like there's something just more going on yeah. Definitelyit's not it's! Not a tach atach attack attach attach gxattech attach attachfull bloods. It's got to be a little bit. You got you, God to put enoughenergy, and just CRA probaby got to get thim. Sometimes there for the ficteenprison, oeu have to manage energy and play to use turtinator and Hetrem, andall that stuff. Yeah. Definitely a little bit more complicated and in thataspect for sure yeah absolutely well we're. I think this is good timeto start opening up the floor, but I don't think we could get through aninterview without asking about this. That is who you live with. Youyou know: You're living with MichaelPramowat, one o most accomplished. Arguably one of the you know greatestof all time, pokemon players and also American Dad Yeah, the you know, I would say one of thehighest growing. You know twitch streamers and content creators rightnow, yeah out there so talk to us a little bit about that house, and youknow what the family dinner is like I mean we're all kind of I mean I'malways busy all the time working on something prame is quiet. Most of the time.Andrew is loud, thankfully, not too loud, but yeah he's always busy with with youknow his dreaming Suff and he's blowing up pres. I always knew he would. Itwould kind be a matter of time until he you know he has started blowing uprecently over there on his channel, but yeah I mean I mean for me. I'malways been someone who kind os keeps o myself anyways, but yeah theyit's likeDitsh, chill it's just chillliving with them, the chill guys yeah. That's IT PRA pramps, quieter,andews louder. I guess I'm somewhere in between maybe a little bit but yeah.It's a fun fun time for sure you got much yeahhead rigt was Goin. O say youdefinitely have an above average amount of you know like child shaped objects inyour House Oo. Yeah Andrew has quite a few toys yeahfor sure you av what a you toy an he leashim around the house, sometimes butyeah it doesn't by it. Don't bother me too much. I just gotta. You know turnon the light. Ou knowgoing to the bathroom in the middle of the nightyeas it's going to make sure cool so good, all right! So let's go to the Shat andit looks like it's all meams. Why do you think that you gravitatetowards the you know? Kind of meme side, when you stream, I think that's alwayskind of interesting to see the personality come out, whether it be youknow, super serious or Super Memi or somewhere in between. Where do youthink you fall in the spectrum, and why do you think you fall there m? I think I mean more recently has beenfalling towards the Mimi side of things for sure. Definitely, when I first started,shoing e was definitely more serious as far as like the Chackos and everything,but it gets waring something less exciting. The memes are fun. Idefinitely need to keep them in check, otherwise you know they get repetitiveand they get old and they become unfun real fast. So You keep do keep themeams in check, but definitely definitely towards the Memi side isdefinitely the I think the the better place to be yous got to do it. You know,keep it keep it contained a little bit at the extension of that. This issomething I definitely wanted to ask. What's the deal with the rat thing likehow the best start, you've always been a fan of the wordRad. You said Raterli the time that I've known you, but how that becomeyeah, your symbol or ICO. I don't know I just thehad. The wordrat called everything rats. The DENNA was a big rat involved in the making ofthe rats and then one day, Michael...

Ktron, I don't know how he found thissong song requested as a ridiculous birthdayit's called rats birthday, rebirthday, remix, ridiculous, rat song you'd have to just listen to it. Idon't know where whoever whoever made it, I don't know how they came up withit like. I was like to think when people like you know that really youknow you end up in one of those really weird places on Youtube: wor, SAS,video anter, Videou treal. I feel, like those people are all geniuses because,like how do you come up with that right? You know. There's people who invent tespeople like you know you like you on Moshe's, obviouslyJenius and you know making all his weird stuff and Gaddison so on. Butthen you have people who make these really weird youtube. Videos like tothink of anything extreme in any in any. You know any direction I feel like. Youhave to be a genius row, so the woverinmented that rat song isdefinitely a genius in some some respect, but the rat picture on the on the videowas just that that rat and he just looks super super. You KNO zanked out,like ossomn Rad, an it's just is terrific and they kind of just all kind of grewfrom there just grew from their calling everything rats and then kharrequestedthe weird birthday remixe rat song, which is kind of become t e, th, thechannel anthem or theme song whatever and yeah the rast just kind of took offfrom there. Basically amazing. So we got a lot of memes and Shat, someof them disguised as questions and Wato Crobad v questions are quite ayou actually have you Hav you seen the Croatt? No, not yet. I actually havenot taken a look at it. A IF YO wont keep bringing it up first, I thought they were just sayingit was they we printed Chaman, but apparently it's a whole different card.I thought I just renamed it and wash a shame, but it's a whole different cardnow Bros, it's insane o sound, crazy. Ai Definitely got to take a WI. TheCRUB avb people have to git people, don't remind me, though I might forgetso yeah. Definitely H, t l with the Crobive, eventually Ode Day. One day one day, Whi just wantuntill, it comes out. That'll be theday. Dan Really wants to know your Taco bellorder as well Taco Bell Order. I get the. What is the thing called where it'slike the it's like in a it's like a it s like a CAADEA yeah, the CONTR APSupreme, that that thing I think, yeah yeah. That's it just like all thisstuff into one thing. You just get that it's a lot of food, it'Snot veryis thischeap broch is really good. Like Ive. Never was like a huge fan of talkabout or like I liked it n, but I don't know one like about. A month ago I wentthere and I want to talk about like Ot, a contrap supreme, an I wa, just likeever since thene I'm kind os been in love with how it's just so goodwhetever. I like I don't eat fast food very often, but when I do, I usuallyjust go o to talk about because it's it just so good. I don't know what theydid, what they put in there, but man keep it up. Talk Abel, be hit indifferent during quarantine. definitly, here's an interesting one out of ten.How good will lost March be this quarter, I'm trying to think of like what a onewould be because then it's probably around a two or three I'm trying, like I'm Tryin, to think ofthat the spectrums is probably around a three if we're putting like the ones atlike something with cofable, like some people talking about a cliff fable,magmortar deck, that's probably like a one or zero. So then last March isprobably like out of three. Maybe he gets up to at four, probably at three. We have a lot of culinary questions, sothat leads me to ask. Like you say you don't go out for fast food. That oftenare you. Are you a home cook ar? Are you a chef, well amateur chef? You know partaking in the culinary arts.I don't Cook, I don't Cook very often I do cook, sometimes I'm kind of like a basic like I just cook things that are reallysimple like just like chickin and Brocoli kind of o stuff. You Know Pasta. Sometimes I will getlittle bit more adventureous. Not Very often, though I just keep I by basevarybasic easy to cook these things that I can easily cook at home for for meals,don't go unto like I don't get like frozen meals or anything, but like youknow, I keep it simple or simpoes. I possibly can pe Fonto, shring cheese,yeah, panbarn, Jelly Apples, bananas, popcorn, Micra, popcorns, pretty good,but sometimes I will like be like you know. I really want to make like Idon't know lasagna or something and I'll go out of my way and I'll do thatwow! That's a that's a big step up from the Vabutju we have. I don't do it often, but Thea,sometimes what I whant to have the time wt. The biggest thing for me is alwayskind of just time. I like I try and you spend as much of o o much much of mytime as possible. SHAGS that I want to stream as much asI possibly can you know up to a point. You know I'm probably not going ta bedoing. You know treaming sixten hours every day, but you know up to a point Iwant to get to. I want to like find that point, and then I want tocontinuously try and stream that much...

...so I'm cureently trying to stream asmuch as possible and then, when I'm at streaming, youtube videos and othercontent, like my Patrion la I've, just started up recently and stuff like that, and then you know sometime. I do gettired, inneed a break play some video games when I, when I do have time and then and then yeah. If, if I have to findmyself it a decent chunk of time, that's what I'm like all right, I'mgoing to I'm try and cook something. What what are some streamers areyoutubers that you're looking at right now for either inspiration or even likeon a winedown that you just really enjoy. Their content, obviously doesn'thave to be pokemon related, but yeah YouTube. I've actually cut kind of I'vegone out of my ways to cut youtube. I used to watch too much youtube. I usedto watch a lot. I would be S I was subscribed to like over a hundredchannels. Now I'm only subscribed to music channels and video game donkeybecause he's super funning e game darkening is the only only content, creator,youtuwerd that I'm still subscribe to, besides just music channels on Youtu.Actually, one of the things I used to I do do to fill my time. Is I just lookfor music like I just go: Listen to music come to practo like four five orsix different, the just channels on Youtube thatupload music daily and I just go, and I start listening to music. Sometimes Ijust like I lo I'm a huge like a huge fan of music, everyone's a fan of music,but literally, if music's not playing and I'm not doing something where I'mtalking to someone I'm playing music like I'm y Ave, music on all the timelike, while I'm cecord to my video, so I'm Listeng to music, I'm eding myvideas and listen T MUSC HAL, I'm treamand! I'm is listening to music, so yeah SOMEMIZERS GO LISTEN TO MUSICSTREAMERS! I kind of just who's ever on, like I'll, just go to the the front page and just see who'sshreaming. What's gone popular, I'm a big fan of ESTPORT. So if it's ever anesports o ment on for like legal legends CS GO is my favorite for sure.By far I love watching CS, go I don't play the game at all. I played you know.Maybe a hundred matches total of CSGO in my life, probably less, but I lovewatching CSO that the commentators are great. The game is easy to watch. It'sSuper Fund. That's just a ton of fun to watch, but I've been playing a lot ofcall duty war zone recently. That game is insanely fun. I Love Battle Royales,so I've been playing Ta, decent Aboun that so I've been watching like ifWAEVERV thirs, downtime just chilling I'll turn on a warsdone stream,sometimes who ever just Hav the top knick marks or someone and just watch alittle bit of that sor. Are you looking forward tovalorant? Then Olrant I've been playing it. I plan alittle bit. It's one of those games where it's the thing I I've been playing alittle bit. I don't it's almost like I like the game, but I don't want toplay it because I don't have enough time to commit to get good at the game,so I don't want to play where its something like Borsong, which is likebeen my go to video game. Recently Ou. I don't have to commit a whole time oftime. I can get on hit up the the goon squad. Just play acouple games, but like fallon ran it's it's a little bit more in depth of agame. If I, if I time, freeze up or if I want to start- including it maybeinto like you know at the end of some streams playing a little vellr orsomething like that, I might start playing it again, but it's a ton of thegame is a ton of fun super good game from what I've played just don't Idon't want to. I don't I just idei. Basically just don't want to commit to,because I can't commit enough time to it. Basically yeah, I kind of feel the same way aboutallright yeah. So I think we're about reaching the end here as well. The lastthing I'll ask of you is there anything that you want to say to our biewers andlisteners you can be your shot out can be a piece of advicer. Whatever you gotfor us now is your time to shine thanks for watching thanks Yo, you guysfor having me keep watching, keep watching pokomon streams. I think Imean the one of the things little things like I said I want you know on my Pokmompin, Jo to livefor ideally live forever because I enjoy. You know creating content inthis space and I want of you. I want to be like a full time, pokem on streamerthe rest of my life. I could be obviously thereare going to be somefactors. INTHA t out of my control, but you know people hanging out andsupporting the game and watching the game and enjoying the game you know might bring. TBOUT might bethe the thing to bring hembout change, so you'll keep doing that. Keep keepjust having fun playing the game, watching the game and enjoying the game for sure. So I think a shout out to pokhem on yeah awesome. Well, thank you! So much man.It was a pleasure having you you'R, Really Cool Guy Nice guys. That's notme! Just shanking your chain awesome! Well! Thank you all forlistening. Just like I was a little said, and we will catch you same timenext week, peace, so yeh, Mi,.

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