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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 2, Episode 14 · 1 year ago

2-14. Blue Garcia Griego

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

What is up everybody? Welcome backto tag team pokemon. Treating Card Games for me or PODCASTING TO DO?Oh, my name is Riley Hulbert, joined by my good friend JW crewwall, and with us today is a very special guest, as will garciagree, I go. Is it all? How you doing today? I'm doingdoing great, feeling good, super excited to keep playing more rebel clash.I'm glad that got the new set out. That's what I'm excited for right now. Yeah, are you kind of done with the Sword Shield set?Yeah, that was don't have super stale super fast. The advisation is theking. We can leave it at that. Yeah, it's a pretty bad format. I think generally speak, are at least very played out. Yeah, now the problem is when it is played out, like in you know, two weeks or whatever. Yeah, yeah, it didn't take very longfor it to become played out. Yeah, I agree for sure. So Ithink we could just jump right into it. Then you said you're lovingrebel clash. What is it that makes it so fun and interesting? You? I mean, I don't think it's anything more so than others sets.It's just new cards. I just get excited to play. Like I alwayssay, my favorite format is the next format that we're not playing and yetbecause there's just new stuff. I just want new stuff. So it's freshright now and it probably because the sword and shield form I was so badthat just having anything new is just it's super exciting. Yeah, well,you sound just like every single one of my twitch viewers. They they can'tappreciate what they got. You know, have to move on to the nextnewest thing. But that's cool. Yeah, what have you been looking at someof the new new stuff? You know, we're getting like two setsahead of ourselves, but from that dark stuff is like kind of kind ofask. So I do. I do look at the new cards a littlebit. Yeah, the dark stuff looks pretty good. It's super exciting tosee just some kind of pushing super strong to just give types of just astrong boost, like very old maybe like hopefully not to overpower. I thinkZatian was a little overboard the metal saucer and all the support I got immediatelymaybe a little bit too much on Zatian side, but hopefully this one's notquite as overwork or maybe just enough to match it, and then maybe that'swhat we're good, we're in a match. The strength that Zation had with everytype. But I usually don't look too far had the new sets.A lot of people ask a lot of questions. I'm like, I don'tknow, I haven't read the cards. I look at the stuff on Pokabeach once and then I won't look at it until the SEC comes. Idon't like test new formats or think. I don't come up with decklist fornew sets. I like when the cars come out on pdcg oh, that'swhen I play them. Otherwise, up to that point, you know,I'll look at the set when the when the full official set let's comes outof the only time I really look at the cards in depth at all.Then pass that. I don't look at them until they come out on PCGoh. Fair enough. I I personally am not a big fan of gettingtoo deep in the in the sauce with new sets before they come out.It's like you stopped games to play. That's Farmat you know. Yeah,speaking of this format, are you going to be playing in the limitless qualifierthis weekend? Yeah, I'm going to play. I'm going to play.Not Quite locked in on a deck. Yeah, it but got a couplecouple decks that I really like definitely going to play. I was this thelast one. I didn't play in qualified too, because the new set hadjust come out. So I'd much rather, you know, not play against likeI expected Mutuo Malamar to do very well and it did in qualifier too, and I told you that to be a go to deck for a lotof people who, like we're kind of like tracking how the metals should developand like knowing that. Just like if you just want to beat mill,you just play Metube Malamar. So I didn't want to go into a tournamentplane against APSATION mill, which is super annoyed against, and then new twoMalamar, which is also super annoying to play against. The this is Marniand trevnor. You. So I didn't play qualified to but I cling qualifyone. It was a ton of fun. It's like a very long day,but it's definitely it's worth it, especially with no other competitive, realbig competitive events going on now. I'm super excited for the qualifier through comingup. Cool expanding off that. Sorry, yeah, now, go ahead,go ahead. I'm do you think there's like a long, firm potentialfor Pokemon to start adopting online tournaments? I mean it seems like it's beena huge hit. Do you think that's just a product of the quarantine oris that something that could potentially become part of our circuit? I mean,I think it definitely. I don't think the client can currently support it ona like TPCI circuit level. I think if we ever saw them, youknow, come out with a new client or make major changes to the currentone, I think that would actually be a twell that they want to dothat, but I wouldn't. I think I would like limit list to continuedoing this. You know past, when you know the the your life eventscome back and I think, yeah, part of this success is, youknow, part of you know, quarantiny note nothing going on competitive and alot of people do just love the game so they want to play it ona competitive level. It's super it's like, I mean the energy I had justby playing in qualifier one. It was like so high. I lovedit. It goes a ton of fun. I love competing again and yeah,it's just a ton of fun. So I think that is a bigthing. People don't get that kind of trendoline rush wherever you want to callit right now because we don't have any turns going on. So that doesI was actually super surprised there was only like it was like nine hundred andfifty for the first qualifire. I thought...

...the second qualifier would drop off byby a couple hundred, but it was like ten people less than qualifier one, and so I think qualifire, if this was, should be the biggestone yet with the new set out. So yeah, hopefully it gets bigger. I hope they continue. I don't know if they have. I'm surethey probably had a plane to continue it past these these first four qualifiers inthe invitational because of how much success it's had. Hopefully keeps growing and Iwould like to see limitless kind of at least established their own online circuit.Whether, you know, pokemon comes out with something like official for online tournamentswhile the way and see by I don't think they will, unless we seea massive overhaul on the client, and I think if they do do thatwill definitely that will, let him be a sign that they plan on runningonline tournaments. You speak, you know, about the about the tournaments online circuitand how excited you are for that and I just want to ask,like, being away from the competitive circuit, and that was, you know,irl was so huge, what have you been doing during quarantine to kindof stay on top of your game and to remain, I don't know,I guess relevant if there isn't a competitive circuit in real life. You meanit's just like as being a competitor or like yeah, yeah, exactly.I mean just playing on ptcdos the most part. I mean I've never Imean my like try hard play testing with my group had kind of fallen offquite a bit, like the last three, like three years, and most ofmy plane really just come through just through the content, like streaming,making videos. That's where most of my playtime with pokemon comes from over likethe last couple of years. I guess we're like International Championships and like worldsand stuff. They were definitely be a little bit more time set aside fortesting, especially like the day's leading up to the vent, getting there acouple days before and so on. I play a lot, but it's prettymuch the same for me as far as like, you know, kind ofkeeping up and keeping up with competing or just trying to stay, you know, on top of my game is just the same stuff I've been doing thelast couple of years, which is just streaming Ptcgo and then making making contentin general. Yeah, would you say that recently your content has been gettingbetter? It's now that you have maybe more time to devote to it?Yeah, yeah, definitely. I feel like for sure it's been. I'vegiven me time to kind of refine some of the stuff that I've wanted toor just even being able to like see some of the stuff that I evenreally have time to like go out of my way to like make better,kind of realizing that something I can improve on and then just kind of doingmore of it, especially with the streaming, being able to stream more. I'vealways kind of wanted to stream as much as I possibly could, butthat was kind of limited by I used to like longer coaching hours because,you know, back when there was a competiti season, people there's some moredesire to for coaching. Way Less now and then I had, you know, the long weekends, regional weekends, but that's most of that's diminished topretty much nothing. I mean, obviously there's no regionals anymore, stuff likethat. So a lot more streaming, which is always been my goal isjust kind of stream as much as possible. Like to actually delve into that alittle bit. What kind of inspired you? What was the path thatyou took to get to this content creations like stage or niche and Pokemon us? Obviously you had a great history and story as a player, but whatabout content creation in particular was inspiring to you? Um, a lot ofit comes from I've never wanted a lot of it comes from I've always justlike, like, I remember watching just people streaming back on Justin TV beforeit was twitch TV, and I would just always very on of another rightword, I'm looking forward like captivated by that and just watching people do stufflike that. Then I was there when twitch first became a thing, watchingthat immediately as I came out, and a lot of it come from that. And then I I used to watch a lot of youtube videos, likeway back in the day, people like Phil to Franco, I think,someone smash. WHO's the other one? Yeah, needy, all this kindof I was always just I always really liked like just watching people create content. It's always been something I wanted to do, like make youtube videos andyou know, as I watch you know, Justin TV become twitch and so on, stream on twitch and so on, and I steamed like I streamed likelegal legends a long time ago for a little bit and then I dida stream for a while and then I just started. I think it wasafter I won Florida regionals with Eva Tall Garb I stream, I started streamingagain. I think it was after that, a couple months after that, maybeit is when I started streaming ptcg oh on twitch. And it's alwaysbeen something I wanted to do, whether or not you know. I knowI'm down to the point where I'm doing a pretty much full time, whichis great. I don't know if I had ever I know I it wasalways kind of like a dream to be able to do something like this fulltime. So I've never playing on definitely doing it, but the fact thatI'm able to do it is great and we yeah, it was always justkind of like I want to do it and, you know, whether ornot I can do it full time, we'll see. But yeah, justkind of started doing it because I just thought it was cool. Yeah,and just keep doing it because because you think it's cool. I mean,where do you think that you are in terms of your story content creating,like how far do you want to go...

...with it and, you know,where do you think you can end up? Um, I mean, I don'tknow. Hopefully it keeps growing. I would love to stay, youknow, in Pokemon specifically and keep doing that. I don't have the unfortunatehighest hopes for that because of the way, you know, that PTCG, Ohand kind of the online client is treated. It doesn't I don't seeit having a long lifespan, unless they us Pokemon, Nintendo, whoever needsto do something does something about it. You know, I hope to sayin the the whole you know, twitch streaming, Youtube, content creation.It's to some to some capacity, you know, and just you know,you know, I might not be doing Pokemon, you know, for therest of my life. Maybe a new card game comes up, you know, hopefully something better than room Tera, but maybe a new card game comesup and I start playing that or, I don't know, something comes alongand I'll just I'll switch over to that in streaming and stuff, especially asI expect PTCG or just pokemon and general to dwindle. Maybe. I meanI assume if the the cardium, the IRAL terms of stuff starts thriving andcontinue thriving like the way it has been the last couple of years. Theywill probably look at, you know, update in the client, doing somethingthing like that, because I'm very jealous of what the guys have over therewith magic, the the magic arena client. That thing is super sick. SoI don't have a with the way it's going now. I don't havesuper high expectations for it to last forever, although that's the way that's the wayI would like it to go. For for POKEMON. It's interesting becauseI feel like we've had multiple people now criticize the tcg Oh client and saythat's, I guess, one of the things that the POKEMON trading car gameis lacking compared to are games. And I feel like every time we kindof go over what things would you do to improve it? So when youlook at TCG OH or your vision for how that might look, what arecertain things that you would hope that would be included? I mean there's likeso there's so many things. There's so many basic things that I feel likethey have the capability of doing. I mean, I'm not I'm not someonewho can like make these clients. I have no idea, like, asfar as like the coding goes and all of that, what it would evertake to do something, but even to something as simple as just folders fordecks, so I could, you know, put my deck and specificals and Ican have two thousand and seven worlds a folder with x in that.But the biggest and the first thing they should do definitely is just a rankedladder, right. That's the first that's the first thing and I think itwould draw so many people. There's so many people who I know who likehave pdcg oh, but no one plays the ladder like the ladder. Definitely, the most played is probably been in a while with the with the quarantinegoing on. But if they just had a ranked ladder and you could comeup with some very like cosmetic prizes for, you know, being the first placeor top ten at the end of the month, make it a monthlyladder like every other card game does. Just copy hearthstone system. No one'sno one's gonna Fault you for it, like God I heard does. Ijust don't understand it because you look at Pokemon go and you look at thevideo game and they are you know, they both have a ranked ladder,they both have a ranking system. It's like why not Phcgo? Yeah,that's like the first thing and I feel like they have to be able toimplement something with that in the current client. I mean, like I said,I don't know the they struggled with beast energy for a long time,so I don't know how hard it is for them to change stuff on PDCG. Oh. So it's either a tell is nothing, and I wish theywould just be I was. I've been saying this recently. It's like,I wish they would just at least communicate with us and tell us you know. You know we want to eventually do something, we want to make thesebig changes. We can't right now or we're not going to do anything ever, and this is what your guys are gonna have to just work with until, you know, it fizzles out and then we stop updating the client.But I it's some communication would be great. Or if that, if they werejust actively doing something, that would be enough. But we're kind ofin an area where they're not actively doing anything, they're not communicating with usand telling us. You know we want to make these big changes. Wecan't or these big changes are coming or anything. So yeah, but theranked, ranked ladder would definitely be it would draw so many people to thegame. Like I would be grinding there the thirty of every month, thirtyone, whatever. I would be sitting there grinding games, trying to getthat first play seed or first play spot at the end of every month,for sure. And I that would be the first step, for sure,just a ranked a ranked ladder, for sure. Yeah, I totally agreethe rank glad it would be so much fun at least, even if itdidn't draw more people. Would be more fun than this current like fall ourcard for you know, some useless supporter from five sets ago. Yeah,yeah, I don't. Don't. Ill Talk Bonnie for all problems. Alreadyhave my place out up all our body. So and the market values now crash. I road climbed it claves and even play Bonnie and his eyeguar gx deck brother. So it's so icide warning body felt like it should belike cool and fun. But yeah, I mean if I, yeah,if I felt felt definite, felt like...

I remember when I first read thecard and was like it's it feels like one of those cards that it's kindof like scary. I know this can be abuse. That's like really scary, but yeah, obviously bonning not quite that kind of card, not quiteable to play support in a stadium every trunk consistently. So yeah, whowould have thought? That actually makes me think of a different route to pivottoo. So what is your biggest like deck or card disappointment of all time? And pokemon deck or car disappointment, like something I try to make workor I thought would be good or yeah, exactly, yes, Oh man,hmm, that's a tough one. Trying to think. I feel likeI was hyping up something recently and that I tried it out and I justcouldn't quit. Like maybe something from short and sheild recenting. I can't comeup with anything off the top of my head. Oh, I guess flap, like recently flapp will from rebel clash. I don't know if it's the biggest, but I did. I read that card. I read the stadiumlike Turfield is an insanely good card. Yeah, it just doesn't quite havethe cards that were. The boom is like okay with the the Rita Boom. Mirilla boom deck is like okay, but if flap, I thought flapwould be really good, but everything has a little bit to UN HP andit's like a little bit too slow actually to get enough flapple's like out thereto have gone enough damage value out of them. So recently, flapple,I can't come up but there's probably been a bigger one in my past.But flapple as a recently. Yeah, as the I thought he was gonnaBE SCO MOUs. I've been him up to but he fell a little biton the other Spide of that coin. Just is there a card from youryouth that you remember very distinctly that maybe I don't know that you were particularlydrawn to, that maybe you know got you into the game or something,that you just remember the artwork very distinctly? I actually don't know too much ofyour back story. When did you start playing and then can you giveme a card from when you started playing that just always holds that special placein your heart? I started playing in two thousand, like met like endof two thousand and nine, two thousand and ten like. I started likegoing to league in two thousand and nine and then I started playing in liketournaments in two thousand and ten. Are as I played a little bit intwo thousand nine, because I did play a little bit, as I playedlike three tournaments as a senior. Specific Card that I can I mean theone card, the card that I've kind of like defaulted, like I don'treally have a favorite pokemon. I say it Shup it because that's the cardI used to win my first regional championships, but I don't really have like Imean a car. I can't really think of like. I mean thatcan picture cards in my head from all the way back then, but Ican't like one doesn't really stand out to me particularly. I don't really,I don't really it's I don't really like I even say, like, youknow, I'm not overly drawn to Pokemon, like I didn't play the video games. I've never finished a POKEMON video game. I've the only pot onevideo game. I played this or in shield, and I haven't even finishedthat one. I think if, like, I had played magic, like meand my brothers had played magic or Yu Gi oh, I would justbe playing that on the same competitive level. I think I'm like, I'm nothing. Nothing really ties me to Pokemon. Until you know, to this pointwhere I'm this deep into it right like nothing was keeping me in thein the car game early on, besides kind of my friends that were inthe game that I made through it, and then until up to this point, where I've kind of devoted my current career path towards it, just beinga content creator in it, and nothing was really time you me to Pokemon. Besides kind of my friends in the game. I'm not overly like attachedto pokemon in general. I really enjoy the game but you know, Inever played the video games. I don't have it like a special like attachment. I don't have a fraid really I don't truly have a favorite pokemon.I just give it to shut it. But yeah, that's nothing, nothingthat comes to mind really for that for sure. So what brought you intothe game then? Was it your brothers? Did you have friends who played?What like are you into the scene? So, yeah, we had weI was had cards. I've ever had pokemon cards or pretty much everyonehad pokemon cards, and then we had a friend. Me and my brothershad a friend who like also had cards and like went to League and helike, you know, brought us the League one time and then we playeda league and you know, and then you know, I have two brothersin a sister who used to play. So we'd be playing Pokemon all theTimes at our house and then we go to league on the weekends. Thenwe started going to our first couple of tournaments and yeah, we just wejust played a lot, likego something that we did. So we continue doingit. Yeah, I don't and it never had like a yeah, westarted playing, we started playing from there, went to League, Bunch of tournamentsand then, you know, started getting pretty good at it because meand my brothers played all the time. My brothers were pretty good too.Unfortunately, they both decided to quit right as they aged up to masters,so they didn't really give it their all and see how good they actually couldhave been. I think they would have been pretty good if they kept playing. We are all pretty good. I wasn't like any better than them atall when we were playing. They just didn't want to continue with it likeI did. I always think it would have been really interesting if my brothershould continue play with I think we would have been pretty good in the gameif we had all played together and continue playing the yeah, the kind ofgape up on it essay made their way into the master's division. Scary thought. Three of the creego brothers just like...

...yeah, nominating that. I actuallyI think we could have. I think we could have had because we playeda lot. Like when we were together. We play a lot. We'd likewe're like more thorough and testing, even though if our Dr ideas andour mindset wasn't as refined as like I am now with my testing, likewe had like ideas behind like my I remember my brother played at National's.He played a quad down fan deck. It was like two years in arow for my brother. It was. It was a very funny. Actuallytwo years in a row he played against the only autoloss he could in topsixty four at NAT's. One was he was playing. He's playing the steellook stext, you looks prime and we didn't we didn't talk to anyone,we didn't know anyone. came up with the steeloks prime on our own,with with like the healing where you constantly healed and they hit the only wasit called the shop that there's a shop at that but like a one oneblaze kin in it hit the only one of those in top sixty four andhe lost, he would have won nationals. That you're almost guaranteed if he hadnot hit that guy in top sixty before. Then the next year heplays a quad down fandeck. But we didn't test the dark by Mutue matchbecause we didn't know dark by Mutuo it existed. And then we would haveplayed losh remover in his list for sure if we had known existed and helost to that guy. Be I'd like the testing back then with my brother'slike we always it was very like we're very refined in what we were tryingto accomplish. Obviously, probably not as good as it would have been tothis day, but yeah, yeah, I would have been, I alwaysthink, by God, have been interesting if they had continued playing, forsure. Yeah. Plus, is always good having resources close to home,right. Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure be able to slam somegames. It's some other sounds convenient at least. Yeah, definitely,definitely so as well. You take me as someone who, and you cancorrect me if I'm wrong here, but you go all in on things thatyou do. It seems like you're very into pokmon. You kind of goneall in on the streaming thing. has there been any other hobbies that you'veliked picked up throughout your life that have also like warranted this investment of timeand interest? Um, yes, yeah, I definitely am very all I don'tlike doing something I like doing. I only like doing things if Ican be competitive about them. That's why, yeah, that's why. I evenin, like pretty much in anything, even in like video games. Idon't like playing video games where I can't be competitive about it. Stufflike just kind of call him out of the animal like animal crossing, youknow, and a lot of people love him, but those kind of gamesand like stuff like minecraft or it's kind of like an endless cycle of just, you know, doing stuff over and over again. There's no, no, like competitive sides to it. But legal legends is something that I usedto play a ridiculous amount of legal legends, and I'm saying them out like yeah, like and like I would wake up, play league legends, goto bed, wake up, play legal legends, go to bed. Sothat's that's really the only other thing. But yeah, if it's if it'sif I can't be competitive at it, then I don't like doing it.And if I do, if I can be competitive of it and like Idon't like doing something and not trying to give it my all and try tobe the best that I can add it. So there's Pokemon, obviously, iswhere I'm at, at at right now, at that. But yeah, legal legends is like the only thing. I mean, I know, likeyou said, like hobby, Video Games in general I guess be ahobby, but legal legends for me was definitely like used to be like somethingI used to do give it my all out and was like literally the onlything I did because I just wanted to be the best that I could addit. I committed many, many hours to legal legends for for a coupleof years. I'm I always kind of wish I could have had tried alittle bit harder. I remember, you know, I got the highest,I got almost the Highestrik you could diamond in it, and then I kindof just like stopped there. I was like, okay, that's pretty good. I'm I'm gonna Chill at that. I always kind of wish I ifI could. One of my regrets, it goes, would not be tryingharder at legal legends and once I got to that point, I kind oflike definitely could have gone further. In that I definitely regret not giving ita little bit more. Maybe I won't have been able to make anything moreout of it, but definitely trying out a little bit harder at that somethingI regret not doing. Well, there's little gg on the LCS stage.Still not buying words, though. Yeah, I wouldn't buy any words, butbut back that, back then, a lot of back then, alot of people going to buy words. I think it was fine. FitRight in with like wild turtle and stuff. So I guess. Yeah. Sonow we have three different facets at least. We have the league,we have streaming and we pokemon. I would like one peak from each ofthose activities. One Peak, like what? Not a peak, a Ram,but like a high point. I like I see, you know,like a po like a peak. Yeah, so streaming, POKMON and league legends. All right. Well, I mean for Pokemon, I think it'spretty easy. It's going to be and I didn't even have that. Ididn't even do that well, but it was definitely not this season. Butlast season, when just the group I was a part of was kind ofwinning. We're winning so many tournaments and was such a was a great groupof guys. I was just like a fun to show up to every tournamentand be with them and when the tournament and feel I didn't never felt cocky, but like feeling so confident that, if you know, if I justplayed my best and we all played our...

...best, one of us is goingto win the tournament, like and that was like. And then the bestmoment was definitely when when Isaiah won Australia with the Ozaptos like that. Thatgoes Super Fun to play to. Our List wasn't that great. We didn'tspend we could spend a lot more time on the list, but like thedeck was we are so far ahead of whatever else was playing it didn't reallymatter. I've had right for Vulkar and their peak rom. So I meanit was going to be an easy tournament. But yeah, that was the peakof my pokons. Definitely that that whole season pretty much was just Imean towards the end it kind of fell off quite a bit, but youknow, the for the first the first half and middle was it was great. That's definitely like the peak and even though I didn't have that great resultsthat year, I mean I got now, I mean did decent at the Isees. And then I caught a couple seconds at regionals, but likeoverall it felt like it couldn't get better than that because even if I knew, if I just played my best, one of us was winning the tournamentalmost guaranteed, I felt like every time we walked into a tournament. Sothat was definitely the as far as pokemon goes, that's definitely the the peakmoment right there. Yeah, so I don't know, it feels like forstreaming it's like every time a new set releases the stream that's like the myfavorite stream. Every like set release stream is like the my favorite stream.So my my peak for for streaming is the next set release. I can'twait for that one. That's going to be a ton of fun. Excitedfor that. And then you want to one for legal legends as well.Yeah, but legends, I mean it's definitely. I definitely like when Ifirst the first like season, like season three in legal legends, two thousand, I don't even know when that is. That's when I first started playing,the first start playing the game. I got my I played with myfriends in normals like every day. When they weren't playing, I would playby myself. I got to rank thirty and I just went immediately to ranked. Didn't play normals ever again. I rarely ever play a game in anormals I can't remember last time I played a game at normal league legends.I hate it. Once I got into rank, it was just like frankwas like all I cared about playing the normal game. There was like noit was like it felt like I was wasting time when I could be playinga ranked game. And then, yeah, just hitting diamond felt like that wasa back then. That was like a felt like like I want aregional's back then. For like what I got diamond in legal legends. Itwas insane. It was great. It was my first season playing. Iknew that was a big accomplishment in itself. And Yeah, that was I meanfor legal legends. That was it was just like hitting diamond in myfirst season playing. I wasn't even at the end of the season. Iwas like a little bit over halfway season through. So that felt felt prettyridiculously good to achieve that. That's pretty awesome. I definitely was not diamondmy first season. I played a ridiculous amount of league, though. Inmy I like literally it was wake up, play league legends, go to bedas as many hours so I could actually play league legends. That's Iwas playing league legends. I would obsessed with the game. Yeah, itwas a lot of legal legends. Yeah, that's not an uncommon story, Ifeel especially in the season three and four days. I feel like thatwas some people. There was the game league. Yeah, game felt alot better back then to more fun at least. Yeah, definitely, definitelycool. So I think one thing that you called out as a peek was, you know, your experience with, you know, the gang and beingable to dominate those tournaments for so long. And I'm sure one thing a lotof people were realizing or thinking on the sidelines is, you know,what's going on here? How are they able to consistently come up with suchgood ideas? Do you have any insight into what that process looks like?You not to go away any sort of secrets or anything? Yeah, likehow would someone up their game to be able to, you know, refinetheir list come look stronger ideas? What's the strategy that goes into that?Um, I mean so a couple a lot of it is, you know, just kind of trying to figure out what you want to beat in atournament and I like to think I'm pretty good at Predicting Meadows for tournaments ingeneral, and that's like the biggest strength you can have, because if yourdeck, if someone's deck, is, you know, built to beat everythingthat's like tier one to tier three, they're dect going to be worse thana deck that is simply built to beat like four decks and then can handlesome of the tier three decks. Right, you're going to be a stronger deckoverall. So when you when those next meet, you're just going toyou're going to probably just beat them right, because your decks are fine to justbeat those. And one of my, I think, standout dex was theglist up ont garbodor that I got second with at was at Memphis medicine, one of those Memphis. Yeah, I was like I want to beatZork decks and I didn't even know buzzle was, I going to be adeck, but it beat buzz wall, so that was cool. And thenI was like I lose the guard for and I was like, but nogood players are going to play guardboard. None of them did. If there'sgoing to be any day too, is going to be very little, orwas very little in day too. And you know, I kind of walksthrough that tournament pretty easily. Had A tough one against Mahone in the topfour, but everything else up to that I almost went n I know onthe day one I tied a Graninja that I should have beat and then II tied my hone and what was looking...

...very good for me in game three. So I almost went to Oh and day one. Like feeling good,super good about that one. Then that's kind of like the one thing Ithink I'm very good at is kind of like predicting tournaments. So you eitherwant to play the broken deck, you know, a broken deck that noone knows about. So either playing eight like in the in sort and shield. You either playing atpsation. Nothing beats it, so you can't. Youyou either are playing the broken deck or playing a deck that beats it,but take losses somewhere else, or something like baby stephones. I was somethinglike the Sword Shield met. It's like very hard to come up with anything. But yeah, you're looking to either play the best list of the brokendeck, and the good example is a typsation. You're trying to play abroken deck that other people just don't know about. A good example of thatis the toad ZARC deck that we came up with an expanded which is definitelybest at Portland, because that was like when no one had any idea whatthe heck was going on when we were playing that. or You just wantto be playing a deck that where you call them met a really well andyou're like, I'm going to beat these four decks because I know these arethe two decks, even though they're really good, just aren't going to showup. No one's going to play them, so I don't have to worry aboutthem. I'll take the else of those just beat these decks over yearand give myself that big advantage. Now. Now, when you say no one, are you referring specifically to like the field at large, or whenyou met a game? Are you looking at what the best players will play? It can be. It can be a mix of both. So itcan be you can look at just what the best players are going to play, and that's something I personally do a lot is I'll feel like the goodplayers are not going to the above average players, the better players, youknow, the people who are you know, constantly making day to no surprise,if the win the event or easily top eight the event, they're notgoing to play that deck. So that in that effects that's mostly a drawtowards the day to Meta in general, because there's two different metas. There'sthe day one Meta and there's the day to Meta. And and something thatwe haven't seen in a while is that because of, you know, APstation being so good, it is the day one met it is also theday to Meta. So we don't see that as much as we've have inthe past. I feel like even in recent years it's less. It's becomingless and less. So that that's a thing because the information share is sohigh and everyone is like leaning towards less decks beat like the the most popularDEX are more and more popular. Like there's just less. There's a lessdecks being played overall. So we're just seeing less of a difference between dayone and two Meta overall. For sure. Excuse me, what's your original question? Against our I'm I went off on there. Oh, just that. Are You metigating? Yeah, the hop players or yeah, yeah,so, yeah, it depends depends on what the what decks are in theMeta and if, like there is a specific deck that is good but nottoo heavily played. I think a good example going back to that Memphis Seamanwas guard war was like a pretty good deck even at that time, butI was like it's a good deck, but it's just like it's not.It's Gett no matter what's happens. It's not going to be a super heavilyplayed deck and I just know the the better players are just not going toplay this deck. So I just don't have to. I don't have tohave if I make the day too, if I hit them in day one. Oh, while, I hit them in day one, if I makeit today too, they just won't exist and they just didn't exist in daytoo. So that, with that one specifically, was the no one's justgoing to just no one's gonna play this. But sometimes it is something old,more overall Meta, like something you can just be like, I'm justgoing to Count Blake baby blounds out this tournament for Soandso reason and so on, ether whether you think people are going to heavily tech for it, likeeven going into qualifier to it would have been a pretty good bet to justbe like everyone's going to be switching decks that beat mill or that, orpeople are going to take more against me, so I'm just not going to playto beat mail. That would have been a pretty safe bet, Ithink. I think mill saw a jurrastic downswing in terms of play and successfrom qualifier one to Quali fire do at least in today two and day one. I don't know if who is still super populd, but I'm pretty surethe day two numbers were way down then what they used then what they werein qualifier one. So going from qualifier one to qualifire two would have beenan okay bets to just not prepare yourself your own deck for mill just basedon assuming people would tech for mill, be more prepared for me, justknowing the match up better, and then just beating playing a deck like theMutu Malamar that was super popular. That just beats mill. So it's ait's a mix. It kind of depends on what the good decks are andthen what kind of level of tournament is as well. That is a followup that. Is there any sort of method that you employ to predict themetagame or what kind of you know, strategies do you use to help facilitateyour predictions of what people might play? Dum just just kind of thinking aboutthe Meta. That's kind of it, and it's almost kind of like thinkingabout yeah, just kind of like thinking about and like would I just kindof ask myself the question of if I do think people would play this deckor if I think the you know, if it's a situation where I'm likewhat do I want to do? I want to like if I'm trying tospecifically beat, what I think the better players in the term are going toplay? Do I think they'll play? And I kind of ask myself thatquestion. I answer yes or no. Like a good one would be justbe like spell tag Malmar. I'm like do the do I think the betterplayers going to play? About like Malamar? The answers no, but the peopleat large and place about like Malam...

...are the answers also. Know.So we're kind of just to take the other spell tag Malamar right. SoI kind of ask ask myself the question. Then I kind of just like thinkthrough it and then I just come up with a yes or no justbased on kind of my knowledge and put throughout playing the game. So Ihave so much of it. So I've been playing for so long now.Just kind of thinking about you know, in the past, do people tendto trend towards these kind of decks? You know, yes or no.Do I expect people to stick on them? Yes or no? Peak Ram woulddefinitely be more. It's like it's probably going to show up. Goodplayers also enjoy playing it. So you expect the one to come, especiallywhen, like with rebel clash, there so much people. I'm out there, so that's like, you know, it's I just kind of ask myselfthe question. That is, kind of think about it. That's that's that'skind of my whole process on that. For that one. It's a worthyprocess indeed. Let's talk about rebel clash a little bit now then. Soyou think peak a Ram's going to be big. We got the qualifier comingup. You're potentially playing in it. What are some of the decks thatyou predict, as someone who has a firm themselves is being good at predictingthat a games be a part of rubble clash format, putting them on thespot. What you say, cannon will be used against you. And forthe record, I definitely think I used to be better at it. Idon't know. I don't know what change, but I used something. I thinkit's actually harder to pretict men as Alecause the information share is so high. They're just simply less decks in the tournament. So it's harder. It'sharder to like weave between decks. Is just kind of like here's five decks. All can be really popular. You have nothing you can do about it. As what it's feels like it is more now, but for the qualifierthis weekend, atpsations still going to be really big because we haven't the deckshaven't developed enough to prove and there has a been a like no one's canprove that they can beat atpsation consistently or they kind of dominate it. Besides, obviously baby blonds like has an advantage, but even then it's like not thatbig advantage, specially with people going up to hire. Marty counts isgetting closer and closer. So apsation still going to be super big. Ithink Dragon Paul's going to be super biggusly cool new deck that seems to beable to stick around or hang against the the ATPSATION. So every one wantsto play that. One just because it's like something cool, something new.Hey can beat ATPS aition. That's pretty cool and it doesn't loose to everythingelse. And then peak a Ram, I just do there's just so muchpeak around at I see people talking about I've seen a couple like tournaments,you know, people playing with the rebel clash cards and there's like four peakrams and their top eights. I'm like, well, why are there all thesebeing around here? So there's a lot of I think a peak ramis going to be super popular as well. It definitely got better speed energies inthesanmely good card. It was like on my top ten list for forrebel clashing, I put as my second card, like even if it evenif it's all zero play, the card would still be insanely broken. Likeif it if it released with rebel clash and it's all zero play from nowto the end of time and Pokemon, the card would still be insanely broken, because drawing two cards when you attack your energy for turn is insane.That's just US two cards right. So yeah, those three are going tobe the big ones and I think like, I don't know what, like babyblesstuff along will definitely be more popular than whatever's next. But I don'teven know what comes after those four. Like I really like GERACI prism starstation, but it's not going to be heavily played, I think, at all. Then there's stuff like to tricity, which I think is like the onlyother new deck that can really hang with everyone, because it really can.If you just draw if you like, if you just draw decently, youjust beat down on anything that else is big. Like you just beat atpsAition, you just beat drag up Paul, like you just one shotting everything.So that deck, I think it's pretty good. Obviously you can't hangagainst baby will cephalon. It's just kind of a big dude. This wortha lot of prize cards. So that's that's what baby steff on loves.You have no tricks to get extra prize cards. So but if you justif you're playing up against rag up pols and ATP stations all day, thenthe talk to cities actually, I think, pretty good. But those are likethe only new decks. firebox, which is something I've been playing decentamount with recently on stream, felt really good. Felt really good being ableto one shot a v Max feels really nice and he tran can do that. Give them a few GI him a couple turns on a couple welders.The TINV is very good at setting him up. So I think that thatwe'll see. I think that, like if we'll see a lot of success. I don't know how heavily played it will be. I think firebox willsee a lot of success and it has been recently in the qualifiers, theother qualifiers as well. I think it's definitely an underrated deck, definitely adeck that people it has a stigma around it where it's have to run superhot, it's really clunky, it's really inconsistent. It's not the deck isfine. He's got to learn how to pilot it properly. Vic TV adsa ton of consistency to the deck. Of I can whiff a welder butstill have enough energy and play to actually be ahead in the prize exchange.So I expect the ton of exist success out of that deck. I mightplay that one myself. It's up there on my list after playing so muchwith it recently. They had the big ones peak, Rom eightpzation and dragup. All those are the big three for sure. For sure. Ialways find it interesting that firebox gets that insane stigma around it when it waspiloted by top players to consistent success at some of the biggest and most prestigiousthat had sup poker. Yeah, and the one that I brought up recentlywas just robin. Robin and Nico were that the only two players to likeplay that build. The abilities are, I believe at Brazil Robin and wins. Nico was five. Huh, I know, he said He. Ithink he choked some games like the rot. Niko should have been in day twothere as well, and who knows how far he could have gone atBrazil. And they were like the only...

...two people piloting that new age abilitiesare at that tournament. And then you had lassage again Australia, you know, piling it to the second place. Not a whole not a whole ton. I change with like his but I got the VIC TV, which isactually huge for that. Actually, I don't know if he played the VitTV. He had the volcane and they're still pretty good. He had theVIC TINV. Oh, we didn't have the VOLCAN and that's right. Getthe VIC TV, which is like actually a big, big deal in thethat because it gives you like an extra turn to with welder. So yeah, and then he was one of the few people playing it as well.He's maybe the only one in day too. Maybe there was two. But yeah, people like to knock on it, so they don't play it. Ithas that weird stigma around it which which kind of like people don't evenplay that because, oh, it's supposed to be a gift to run insanelyhot, it's super inconsistent, Clinky, I'm not even gonna try it.And then when people, you know, play it for a couple games,they get that one hand where it's six fire ander g and a bull picsand they just give up on it immediately. So yeah, definitely does not deservethe the hate it gets at all. Super Strong deck right now. Itisn't as consistent as Peka, ram or is AAn ATP or Dragon Ball, but it's not bad for sure. That's not a reason to not playthe deck right well, it's got a fundamentally more complicated game plan right,like there's just more going on. Yeah, yeah, definitely it's not. It'snot attach, attach, attack, attach, attach gx, attack,attach attach full blitz. It's got to be a little bit got yet Iput enough energy and just probably got to get him. Sometimes there for theVictini prison, you have to manage energy and play to use certain lator andhe tran and all that stuff. Yeah, definitely a little bit more complicated andin that aspect for sure. Yeah, absolutely. Well, we're I thinkthis is a good time to start opening up the floor, but Idon't think we could get through an interview without asking about this. That iswho you live with. You you know you're living with Michael Pramo Watt,one of the most accomplished, arguably one of the, you know, greatestof all time, pokemon players and also American Dad. Yeah, the youknow, I would say, one of the highest growing, you know,twitch streamers and content creators right now. Yeah, out there. So talkto us a little bit about that house and you know what the family dinneris like. I mean we're all kind of I mean I'm always busy allthe time working on something. Pram is quiet most of the time, AndrewsLoud, thankfuely, not too loud, but yeah, he's always busy withwith, you know, his streaming stuff, and he's blowing up. Reason Ialways knew he would, which kind of be a matter of time untilhe you know, he has sorry blowing up recently over there on his channel. But yeah, I mean, I mean for me, I'm always beensomeone who kind of keeps in myself anyways. But yeah, they did's like ditchchill. It's just she'll living with them. Their chill guys. Yeah, that's it. Print pramps quieter, Andrews Louder. I guess I'm somewherein between, maybe a little bit. But yeah, it's a fun thefun time for sure. You can't much. Yeah, go ahead, right.I was going to say you definitely have an above average amount of,you know, like Nile shaped objects in your house. Yeah, and youhas quite a few toys. Yeah, for sure, you got put anew toys and he leaves them around the House sometimes. But yeah, itdoesn't by it'sn't bother me too much. It just gotta, you know,turn on the light, you know, going to the bathroom in the middleof the night. Yes, going to make sure cool. So good.All right. So let's go to the chat and it looks like it's allmemes. Why do you think that you gravitate towards the, you know,kind of meme side when you stream. I think that's always kind of interestingto see the personality come out, whether it be, you know, superserious or super memi or somewhere in between. Where do you think you fall onthe spectrum and why do you think you fall there? Um Hmm,I think I mean more recently has been fallen towards the meme side of things, for sure. Definitely when I first started streaming. Is definitely more seriousas far as like the Chackos and every thing, but it gets boring,something less exciting. The memes are fun it. Definitely need to keep themin check. Otherwise, you know, they get repetitive and they get oldand they become unfun real fast. So You keep them, keep the memesin check, but definitely, definitely towards the Mimi sign is definitely the Ithink the the better place to be. He's got to do it, youknow, keep it, keep it contained a little bit. As the extensionof that, this is something I definitely wanted to ask. What's the dealwith the rat thing? Like, how did that start? You've always beena fan of the word rat. You said rat a lie the time.That I've known you, but how that become? Yeah, you're symbol orI got I don't know. Just goin. They have the word rat, calledeverything rats. Dedanne was a big rat, involved in the making ofthe rats. And then one day Michael...

Ktron, I don't know how hefound this song song, requested us a ridiculous birthday. It's called rat's birthday, re birthday remix, ridiculous rat song. You'd have to just listen to it. I don't know where, whoever and whoever made it. I don'tknow how they came up with it. Like I always like to think whenpeople like you know that really you know, you end up in one of thosereally weird places on YouTube or should video after video to throughly, Ifeel like those people are all geniuses because, there's people who invent but people likeyou, know you like Elon Muss, he's obviously a genius and you knowmaking all his weird stuff and gadgets and so on. But then youhave people who make these really weird youtube videos. Like to think of anythingextreme and any and any you know, any direction. I feel like youhave to be a genius, Bro so the whoever invent to that rat songis definitely a genius in some some respect. But the rat picture on the onthe video was just that that rat and he just looks Zuber's super zonkedout, like our awesome rather. It's just horrific and I kind of justall kind of grew from there. Just grew from their calling everything rats andthen the Kar requested the the Weird Birthday remix rat song, which is kindof become the channel anthem or theme song whatever. An yeah, the rassjust kind of took off from there. Basically amazing. So we got alot of memes and chat, some of them disguised as questions. A lotof Crow Bad v questions are quite I for you. Actually, have you? Have you seen the Curbat? No, not yet. I actually I havenot taken a look at it. I think for if people keep bringingit up. At first I thought they were just saying it was they reprintedShamin, but apparently it's a whole different card. I thought it just renamedit and was a shame, but it's a whole different card now, Bro's. It's insane. It sounds crazy. I definitely got to take a lotthe CROBAD v people have to get. People don't remind me that, Imight forget. So yeah, definitely take a look the crow by V.Eventually, odd day, one day, one day, which just went utilit comes out. That'll be the day. Dan Really wants to know your TacoBell Order as well. It's Taco Bell Order. I get the whatis the thing called where it's like the it's like a in a, it'slike a like a case idea. Yeah, the contrap supreme. That that thing. I think, yeah, yeah, that's it. Just like all thestuff into one thing. You just get that. It's a lot offood. So I freak. Is this cheap brow which is really good.Like I've never was like a huge fan of Taco belt or like I likedit and but I don't want like about a month ago I went there,I went to talk about I got a contrap SUPREMU and I would just likeever since then I'm kind of has been in love with how it's just sogood. whever I like. I don't eat fast food very often, butwhen I do I usually just go to to talk about because it's just sogood. I don't know what they did, what they put in there, butman, keep it up. Talk of Ell be hitting different during quarantine. Definitely. Here's an interesting one. Out of ten, how good willlost March be this quarter? I'm trying to think of like what a onewould be, because then it's probably around a two or three. I'm tryingto like I'm trying to think of that the spectrums. It's probably around athree. If we're putting like the ones at like something was called fable,like some people talking about club fable, Mag mortar deck, that's probably likea one or zero. So then lost march is probably like out of three. Maybe he gets up to it for probably a three. We have alot of culinary questions. So that leads me to ask. Like you sayyou don't go out for gass food that often. Are you are your homecook or you are your chef? Well, I amateur chef, you know,partaking in the culinary arts. I don't Cook. I don't cook veryoften. I do cook. Sometimes I'm kind of like a basic like I'lljust cook things that are really simple, like just like chicken and Broccoli kindof stuff, you know, Pasta. Sometimes I will get a little bitmore adventure. It's not very often, though. I just keep I buybased very basic, easy to cook eat things that can easily cook at homefor for meals. Don't go into like I don't get like frozen meals oranything, but, like you know, I keep it simple, or simpleas I possibly can. Pan Average string cheese. Yeah, peanut bar,Jelly, apples, bananas, popcorn like way, popcorns pretty good. Butsometimes I will like be like, you know, I really want to makelike, I don't know, Lasania or something, I'll go out of myway and I'll do that. That's a that's a big step up from theyeah, I don't do it often, but yeah, sometimes when I wantto have the time. But the biggest thing for me is always kind ofjust time. I like I try and you spend as much of what themuch much of my time as possible. I said, I want to streamas much as I possibly can, you know, up to a point.You know I'm probably not going to be doing, you know, streaming sixteenhours every day, but you know, up to a point I want toget to. I want to like find that point and then I want tocontinuously try and stream that much. So I'm currently trying to stream as muchas possible and then, when I'm not...

...streaming youtube videos and other content likemy patreon that I've just started up recently and stuff like that. And then, you know, somehow I do get tired any of break, play somevideo games when I when I do have time, and then, and then, yeah, if I if I have, I find myself of the decent chunkof time. That's what I'm like. All Right, I'm going to I'mtry and cook something. What what are some streamers or youtubers that you'relooking at right now for either inspiration or even, like on a wind down, that you just really enjoy their content? Honestly, doesn't have to be pokemonrelated. But yeah, UM, Youtube, I've actually cut kind ofI've gone out of my ways to cut youtube. I used to watch toomuch youtube. I used to watch a lot. I would be I wassubscribe to like over a hundred channels. Now I'm only subscribed to music channelsand video game donkey because he's super funny. You a game duncany is the onlyonly content Creator Youtube word that I'm still subscribed to besides just music channelson Youtube. Actually, one of the things I used to I do doto film my time is I just look for music, like I just golisten to music. Comes prided to like four or five or six different thejust channels on Youtube that upload music daily and I just go and I startlistening to music. Sometimes I just like I love I'm a huge, likea huge fan of music. Everyone's a fan of music, but literally,if music's not playing and I'm not doing something, I'm talking to someone,I'm playing music, like I'm I have music on all the time, likewhile I'm recording my videos, I'm listen to music, I'm editing my videosand listening to musical I'm streaming, I'm listening to music. So yeah,sometimes there's go listen to music streamers. I kind of just who's ever on, like I'll just go to the front page and just see who streaming what, what's gone popular. I'm a big fan of esports, so if there'sever an esports event on, for like League of legends, Cusgo is myfavorite for sure by far. I love watching cus go. I don't playthe game at all. I played, you know, maybe a hundred matchestotal of CSGO in my life, probably less, but I love watching CSGO. The the commentators are great. The game is easy to watch. It'sSuper Fun. That's just a ton of fun to watch. But I've beenplaying a lot of call of duty war zone recently. That game is insanelyfun. I love battle royals, so I've been playing a decent a boutof that. So I've been watching like if ever of there's downtime, justchilling, I'll turn on a war zone stream sometimes. Who've ever just hadthe top nick marks or someone and just watch a little bit of that.Sorry, you looking forward to Valoran then, all rant I've been playing it.I played a little bit. It's one of those games where it's thething I I've been playing a little bit. I don't it's almost like I likethe game but I don't want to play it because I don't have enoughtime to commit to get good at the game. So I don't want toplay it. Where's something like war zone, which is like been my goto videogame recently. You I don't have to commit a whole ton of time. I can get on, hit up the the coon squad, just playa couple of games. But like Valeran, it's it's a little bit more indepth of a game. If, if I time freeze up or ifI want to start including it maybe into like you know, at the endof some streams, playing a little ballomor or something like that, I mightstart playing it again. But it's a ton of the Games, a tonof fun, super good game from what I've played. Just don't. Idon't want to cook, I don't. I just a I basically just don'twant to commit to because I can't comit enough time to it. Basically,yeah, I kind of feel the same way about Arett. Yeah, soI think we're about reaching the end here as all, the last thing I'llask of you is there anything that you want to say to our viewers andlisteners? It can be a shoutout, can be a piece of advice,whatever you got for us. Now is your time to shine. Get thanksfor watching. Thanks you guys for having me. Keep watching, keep watchingpokemon streams. I think I mean the one of the things, little things. Like I said, I want, you know, online pokemon Pizjo tolive for ideally live forever, because I enjoy, you know, creating contentin this space and I want to you. I want to be like a fulltime pokemon streamer the rest of my life. I could be. Obviouslythere are going to be some factors in that out of my control, butyou know, people hanging out and supporting the game and watching the game andenjoying the game, you know, might bring about might be the the thingto bring about change. So You keep doing that, keep keep just havingfun playing the game, watching the game and enjoying the game, for sure. So I think a shout out to pokemon. Yeah, awesome. Well, thank you so much, man. It was a pleasure having you.You're really cool guy. Thanks, guys, that's not me, you just shankingyour change. Awesome. Well, thank you all for listening, justlike as a little said, and we will catch you same time next week. Peace. Say Yeah, M.

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