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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 2, Episode 15 · 1 year ago

2-15. Player's Cup Premiere

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

What is up, everybody welcome back totag team, the POKMON trading card games for me or podcasting duo. My name isRyly Hulbert and I'm joyned by my good good friend, JW Cre Wall dw, how youdoing today, Bryley I'm doing awesome. Thank you so much for asking, and byawesome I mean my basement flooded. Yes, Yeaad that yesterday what happenedthere, I mean it. Just there was an abnormalamount of rain. This place doesn't really flood and like this area that we're in we're a little bithigher and it just doesn't normally fly likeour landlord said. This is the first time that it's ever flooded, and so wejust I just had some things on the Gro. I didn't lose too much. We mostly lostthings like paper towel sure you know miscellaneous food items that we hadkept from our last. You know shopping trip that we had just put on the ground.I did lose a couple of cards. Oh noand, I can't wait to show you what they are in a youtubevideo that I have hopefully coming out on Friday. I think it'll be I'll. Makegood use of the ruined cards? I think they're very funny it. You know I mean all in all. Maybe youknow two or three hundred dollars worth of damage so sizable, but not you knowwe're not going bankrupt or anything by any means so sure it was. It was fine.You know we have most of our stuff in these big plastic tubs and it was onlyabout two or so inches of water, but this actually isn't the first time thatmy basement has flooded. So it didn't happen in this house, but it happeneand a half that I used to live in. It's just not a fun experience. You got tolike hair out all your. We had a few books and stuff that we're trying toair out and savage, and you know it's just more an annoyance than anythingelse, but we're back up and running things seem to be a little bit on the you know pretty dry side. I guessthat's good so well see if there's any kind of mold developments or anythingthat I need to be wary of there, but for now seems okay. I guess that's allyou can ask Bor right. That's right! Coming out on the better side of itlooks like at least your your tech wasn't ruined. So that's good. It wasso thankful. There might be a cord with my second monitor that just it'swaterlogged right now, so I'm hoping, if I give it, you know a few days todry out, but it's like the the court is good because I can just replace it.This team has like the court can come out or I guess second monitor has t et,could come out. So I'm not too worried there. If I do haveTho replacete T, I mean it's probably like twenty bucks, as opposed to buyinga whole new monitor, which right now is you know, tthey're really get pricecouging right now for monitors, because everybody's working from home so first time you think a cord istwentyoars whart kind of place. Are you gettingyour chords from dude? Well, how much do you think a cord would be worth youcan get like an Amazon basic cord for six dolars? Okay, I thought youere saying I wasunderpaying, no tha. So much money err O and I'mprobably not going to buy. If I'm going to get a cord for thismonitor, like I'm, probably not just going to get the non name, brands right that doesn'tseem it's a court, Kno, okay, fair enoit moves lectrisly from one place toanother camp. Well, Riley you're, the Marten Fuy. I know so. If you say it'sokay, then sure so! Well, aside from your, you knowliving space catastrophe that I think there's plenty that we need to talkabout this week as right. Hopefully none of your ruined cards were Dedennes,although before we get to any discussion, they did show that reallycool dedene like packed trainer Kit box thing so just want to give a Shoutu toPokemon for like keeping an eye on the competitive scene. I think, especiallyin like a post quarantine world will need ways to like reinject players intothe game right, because the Gamel have to be rea, livened and so getting likecool products that can make it easy and accessible for a player. Can the gameis a really good idea? Yeah! No, I mean I will definitely betaking advantage of those to denny boxes. Yeah I lost. Let's see I lost potentially or to six. Oh No, so I mean I, as asmost of the podcast listeners know, I had made a heavy investment into theDedene so losing them again during especially during this time where wedon't actually have live events, and we might not have a live event for anotheryear. It's really not a huge loss in my eyes, because the recell value just reallywasn't there and I bought them for so cheap and I bought so many of them andIAD already sent away. You know I'm...

...already rolling in my profit, so it's it hurts. But yeah you'll see whatI mean. I lost a few. I lost a few cards and I'll show those off on Friday.Very cool yeah, so just want to go quick shot out to that product. Ifyou're not aware be sure to check that out, I think it's like thirty bucks, retailor something and you get to todanes in it. So not too bad yeah, Fok Mon seemsto be going all in on investing on those kind of products which is awesome, but in the more event, focusd mindsetfirst we'll take a look at the pass and then we'll kind of jump ahead to thefuture. So this past weekend was limitless. Qualifier number three, thefirst one featuring the rebel clash format and we talked about it a decentamount with his zol this last week as far as B good choices might be, andwhat the Meanam might look like and end up panning out in a kind of interestingway. I don't think a lot of people expectedthis. Some people certainly did, but Pekarom was really the start of theshow this weekend taking four of the top eight spots and not only that buttook first hand second in the final standings yeah, so he gron with afantastic showing this weekend and Wellsephalao'm, really not that farbehind having duns of top thirty two top eit finishes, and you know even beyond that, likesome older players like Puka out there playing Babe Il Stufflon to greatsuccess, so ohlike oery awesome to see yeah and it's interesting how the limitless qualifier as a nonPokemon sanctione event. Can you know, allow players like Puka to reinject themselves back into the gameright like they don't have to worry about those restrictions for theirthat's oremployment. They can just play the game like they love. That's right,that's right, and I mean I'm sure he does enough playing. You know just withthis play testing or whatever through the company or just even outside ofwork. Just you know it's a game, that's very fun, so it's cool to see that hecan go back and be competitive and that's that's a that's! A big win forthe Pokmon community overall yeah, I think so too, and it shows really thisgame you know, is enjoyable throughout its history. There's and people who aregreats in the past continue to see success in modern day. I think Ross.Cottin is a really good example of that as well, who has sawgh a lot of successin these limitless qualifiers yeaen. With this absolute and Typicasolu, Ometof choices. I mean I've heard in the past that just you know, people saysince I've been playing like. Oh, the players are better now, and I don'tknow that. That's necessarily the case. I think h. There have always beenreally great players. I guess you could make an argument that the averageplayer is better now, but even then I don't know that I would necessarily saythat's the case. I think that the technology surrounding the players isabsolutely better, but to say that the Gameplay of each player is better nowthan it was back. Then you know when you know, since I don't know Kyle,Sukavitch and Rosscoffin like started. No, I don't necessarily think so, andit's just goes to show they keep seeing success or I guess in Kyles case hecomes back and he see some pretty big success and that just to medemonstrates that they always had what it took to succeed. Yeah, I think sotoo, and it's cool to see that put into practice practice, though right becauseit it feels, like those arguments, always live so much in theory. You knowyeah, like talking about you, know other sports grades. You know it's sohard to compare eras. Sport Yeah, but you know, and again, like Pokamonyi,actually could potentially like come back and play again and really that success has been awesome tosee so before we get into the overmall results and taking a look at Pikaramand some of the other top eight decks. I'd like to just briefly go over jwwhat your experience is like piloting that Dragopolt FEMAX Tex. So yes well,it was a brief experience sure, but I ended up going lasting for onlysix rounds. You know I wanted to play it out as long as I could, but just ended up. You know facing matchups,I was overall confident with, but that just didn't go my way and all creditgoes to my opponents to pretty much in every single loss played as well as they could have. I don'tthink that they made it really any misplays on on their end, and so webeat an Obstago n in the first round. That was a good matchup petting intothe into the day. I think with Drago Paul you just have so much snypability.You can take down zisagons on the bench before they evolve. You can, you know,take the two prizes you can. I playe a Feon, so you're able to push around theobstague and and obviously the obstruct, doesn't really do anything to you,because you are an evolution Pokmon, so that matchup is generally pretty easy.The only thing you really have to watch out for is the SAB I v and then to alesser extent the eveltal sx, but if...

...you can manage to make it around those,then you're in a really good spot, and so I ended up beating the obstaclenplayer in round one, and then I faced an ATP tom that heading in I felt likeDrago bult had a good matchup against, and I still stand by that. I don't knowthat. I think that it has as good of a matchup as I did before the tournament,but I do think that it's still very reasonable to win thatmatchup. I just think in the two times that I played the Atptom in thetournament going second, was such a huge barrier to winning, and I almostdid it just it didn't quite happen, didn't quite happen. For me, I wasn'table to control their board was the biggest issue so going second reallyhurt because they were both able to get the turnon attachment to ATP, followthat up with the altar creation and then, if they can get the ultracreation before you attack. That's where it becomes really hard becausethey can just start to pretty much power up whatever they want at will.Yeah tipe damage almost doesn't really matter because, like you want to try toget the knockout in on the ATP the turn after the GX, and if you can do that,then you set yourself up pretty well, because you can usually like takesomething down on the bench: AF GERACI or a Spiri Tom, and then from there.You just have to find a way to take the last two prizes, which is pretty easyagainst a a deck like that. Unfortunately, again went second inround two and around three against AP Tom. I think that was the kind of Idon't know the biggest misplay. I guess I had against those two decks where itwas just. I missed that one turn. I was just back by a turn and I think if I gofirst hen, it's a way different story, but you know it is what it is trying toMarny them out of things and it always seemed like my opponents were justdrawn. What they need you know is like every little thing and at credit tothem and credit to their decks round. Four, I played against a Boltond deck.It was a Bollton focused. It was like a peak aroun deck. I think he had maybeone peek aroun but more focused on energy spinner. On the second turn, sowe actually opted to go second, even though he won the flip, and then hewould energy spinner like two or three times get that all ono the discard withae Dedena or research and then use the Zer orgx attack as opposed to doingsomething with the shuckle and getting in the energy endto. The discard thatway, so I thank, was a very unique take at least different from what I had beeninvisioning, the Bollton deck to be, and it was. It was just a tough match it asreally hard when they can one shot your vmaxes to stay in the game, so he wasable to take that one and then around five. I you know I always get in this kind ofmode where it's like. Okay, you lose a few and then it just kind of regroup. Ihave this saying that Kevin Baxter came up with its just called rid in the wave.You know by riding the wave Riley where, like you know, you go down early andyou're hoping to play. You know kind of all the all the tear three decks, maybeall the players that aren't as high caliber and you just kind of ride,those all the way to the day to or top cut or whatever rightso around five. I was in that mindsetgetting ready to play and you know he flips over Mutu and I'mlike okay, that's fine, I can handle the Mesu and then he tag calls for the Megasabali tyranitar and I'm like allright. That's about it. Yeah was able to get the I. I can't rememberif he went first or second ihave a feeling he went second but like on hissecond torn. He just got. You know the Sabe lized trandits are in the discardand then he got the SOGALEO. Excuse me on the field. He got the SOGALEO in thediscard. He got the SABE. I tyranits Ar on the bench and then was just able toload it up with the solberst gx attack, and then I was just at that point. Youknow you just kind of know. You just accepted, I played it out, but it was pretty tough and then I groundsodeand round six. I probably had the bathe most favorable matchup I couldhave had in the tournament I faced a Greens blessephalon and it just againjust didn't really go my way. I can't really remember too many details, but Iremember taking a knockout and then marning my opponent, and then he justhad. I don't know he had whatever was to get up to the seven energy to oneshot, my vnax and then it was just it was just over from there. So it was areally tough day. I got to say I felt very confident in the deck andimmediately after the tournament I kind of thought o okay, this deck, you knowsucks, it doesn't really have what it takes to compete at the high level. Butthen you look at where dragon pull finished overall and it seemed like agreat choice for the event. Maybe you know going back. I don't know if Iwould necessarily play it again, but I think the results of you know two topaights a top four, the third most...

...represented deck. I think that showsthat the deck has you know what it takes to have the staying power to be alegitimate threat in this format. Yeah that was going to be kind of. Mynext question is like what are your feelings coming out of this tournamentabout Dragon Pole, it seemed going in that you're, pretty confident, Boud Jagfult being kind of the deck to play at the moment it had pretty good matchesacross the board, and I will point like yeah. I did havea tap four and a thoa finish. That's awesome! If you look more throughout the youknow top. However many people in one hundred forty nine, I feel like theJagopolls- are a little more sparse compared to like, like Pikeron, whichseemd to really be in troves. Do you think Jackon poult has the stayingpowers like a tr one deck, or was it Adeck that Wa represented and maybelives in that tier two and three Romand? You Know Yeah An. I think I think heretoo would be pretty apt. To put, I feel like Pikaram. Is there has asserteditself whether or not we agree or not, but it really just asserted itself asthat ter one threat and then Blesaphalon, I think, I's right up.There is the deck that can kind of go tonoto with the big knockouts ofPikaram, and then I think, if you want to play Dragon Polt you're going tohave to do something, maybe many things to counter just the power of degram. Idon't quite know what those are, but a few just ideas are like you know youprobably have to include a mew. You probably have to include you knowsomething that slows down the pekaron player. I'm even thinking like powerplant would be a good option for the Dragon Pol, which we did see in one ofthe top. A list had like a single power plant, but I feel like the power plant,you know, needs more testing, obviously, but could neuter the Pegram theckenough to help you kind of get ahead in the game. Just the way that you build your deckis going to have to be focused around how to beat Pekeron. I don't think,there's a really like catchall answer. I think you're going to have to makemultiple decisions to try to counter the many different things that Pekramcan do. I think it is possible, but it's tough and you have to really y aconstruct your deck in away to handle that matchup, which it doesn't you knowyou can construct your deck in a certain way to try to handle Peker on,but it's by no means an Otto win. Nowhere close really, I would stilleven say you know: mew heavy power plant counts and it's probably still unfavorable,and so it's just a tough matchup you're goingto have to understand that- and you know hope that the metagame atlarge kind of cycles on itself to beat Pekromyeah high praise for pekrom. So, looking at your results and looking athow the tournament overall panned out it doesn't sound like drag poll wouldreally be the deck that you'd take. If you could play it over again, you knowwiping your matchups, clean and saying you got to play a whole new version ofthis tournament. Sure what Woald you take with the knowledge that you havenow. Would it be p from I mean it probably be pekn around, like that's adeck that I did play in the past. Like I've won, you know cups with it, and soit's not a deck that I have like a personal, biased against. I just feellike it's. I don't quite know how the pikaramplayers beat consistently ATP players. I feel likethat match up a still favor for ADP. Again, I don't know the matchup in and outwith the new cards. So you know I maybe it's different. Maybe it's that muchdifferent. That now Pekeram is just fast enough that it can overcome theyou know, speed and power of the ATP Atian Deck, but yeah. Youknow that that's I just don't know. I would say that if I were to play itover again, pekaround would be a choice. ATPSATION was my second choice to dragapult and I would feel very comfortable playing Ay pusation yeah. Eighty physician I feel like waskind of an underperformer, and I don't know if that was lack of representationfrom tap level players, or you know lack of foothold in this format. Do youthink advs Ocian is like a top ter contender still moving forward. I don'tsee why I wouldn't be. It didn't really lose that much didn't gain too much soit just you just have to look at the threads surrounding it and babythefhlon was never a matchup that I felt unfavored against, and I think a lot ofpeople would disagree with that because you do have, I think if they had the BSpringer, it's pretty bad. You do have B springer if they get the be springer,then yeah, it's pretty tough to deal with. I've just often found that Marniis a really huge swing in the matchup, and I think yes,if you have a blaephlon against an atpsation that plays maybe to Marny andcan't hit them on the turns that they need to then sure you're going tostruggle. It could have been that with the scoop of nets. It's that much moreconsistent. I do find the consistency...

...bump of babybles Sefelon to be you knownoticeably higher. So it could just be that with the scub of nets that you're,you know able to recycle the duracis and do multiple every turn that it justtakes it over the edge against ATPIZATION. And so, if that's the case,baby will sepple on might just edge out ATP from the MEDA entirely, and then itbecomes kind of this weird Pikerum Blosepalon, and then you know I don'treally even know where to go from there had friends yeah at France right yeah,so I think we talked about it a lot we just have to dive into pekaround. Now,at this point so Pekerom I feel like we didn't givereally attention to deserve last week. I think we probably just weren't reallyon board with how good the deck potentially was in hindsight. I think there's plenty ofthings that we can point out. That, maybe are I don't want to say obvious,but that we can say like yeah. This is a clear, strong point of the deck, a itthink. The first and most you know visibly noticeable. One is going to bethe SFEEDLIGHTNING energy. The greese etergy is kind of. I always think, Othe Grease Song when I hear Sany lightning, but you know I drawing twocards off an attachment for free is is nuts, and I think I want to say theSoulis that this on on the cast either that it would be aua crazy card, even if it wasn't like ever played. You know, Oul still, ve acar that was worthy of remembering as a powerful card right, and I think thatholds true, especially the fact is a colored energy. You know if it was acurloos energy, maybe but ser. This is a actual colored energy sure you knowit's thot energy. You can caccelerate full blits, but you know the effect ofit is pretty noticeable and Pekarom is a deck that you know in my experiencerelies on drawing a lot of cars and having long combos in his terms, andyou know what better way to facilitate that than drawing extra cards forattaching your Energy Whith Youe already Onneng to do anyway. Sure yeah,it's just it's so interesting. How off so many American content creators wereabout Pekarum. I just can't really think of anyone that I know that said that youknow from from the states that said that Pikaron was the play for thetournament. It's just it just goes. Te Show like you know, for every ralleteggs, vile, plume deck that somebody comes up with there's. You know. Wethink that Pekaram as bad. You know I just that happens, you swing and miss.Sometimes you know even Barry Bonds strikes out. You know it's just it'sgoing to happen when you make opinions and so just be better next time itreally was a strong deck and a strong choice. I've played a lot of PGRAUMsince and I'm starting to see why it was played. It's basically like you know. The speed lightning is justan really nice little card to kind of smooth out those weird hands thatpeekarond can sometimes get where it's like. Do. I want to get rid of thishand with like a Dadene or do I want to save it, because I have e powers inhand, and there are a lot of times. WOR like speed. Lightning can draw you thatone or two cars that you need to maybe solve the puzzle of your hand where youknow you just needed that one extra epower and then it allows you to nothave to play the DRA, the epower, the quick ball, the Quik Al Yeah, exactlyexactly, and so I'm kind of seeing that now, where it's like. Solving theselittle issues of you know you were just so reliant on the Denna a lot of timeswith Pikaram you were having to you, know overbench. You were just benchingyourself out because you were needed. You know at the Deni turn one O, then Iturned to and like the DEA turned three potentially to like get all the thingsyou needed, but at this point you're pretty much guaranteeing yourself afull blitz. You know at the very least turn two. Idid like the list that had the Goozmahalla, which is what I wouldreally recommend. That was the list that I was playing. You know justbefore Thi season shut down, I think right,and so I really enjoy being able to tag call and get the Goozemahalla, which isalmost a guaranteed yeah, almost a uaranteed full blits. Ifyou have the stadium an deck, so right, it's cool, I like Pigaram a lot. Ithink it really is helped by the speed lightning and I didn't give that cardenough. Credit Yeah and I think, bouncing off Goozmon Hallo the speed,lightning, really really amps up the power of Goos Bonhalla, because myopinion, it felt kind of I don't want to say, like awful, but it felt alittle crappy to use gus on Holla Beford Ithach like a unit, energy orsomething Yoa know it's just like. So now you're you're, just carding like somany cards. You know because you Goozma Hall, is also your supporter and youjust cart to other cards and you get a thundermountain and an energy, andmaybe I know a tool or something some telanes tool like a skateboard or a bigcerm, and that's fine. But when you get isfeedlighting energy and you immediately recover the card economy that you spenton Guzmahalla. That to me is like an obvious like strong synergy that wouldwork tril in any card game right, like...

...wher Youare you able to o work, Eshrefestion, get that economy going. That's FOM Ginta like fundamentally, isgood and a card game ye right right ad. Taken that a step further, I think theother big thing and I'm sure you agree with his well that pushkeeker Om overis the Bullton t b. You know the top of Coco fantasy. wasthere and it Tam Coco was good yeah, but I think both aner o better.It does everything that Topo Coco kind of wanted do, but better yeah, firstattack Tabu Cocos first attack is cool, but I think bothons actually likefacilitates the goal of the deck to get energy onto the board. We're a SAPACOCOYOU KO Turann d cards, at's fine. It did a little damage to poke downtaracis and stuff riy powers, which is also fine but electrify like activelyaccelerates your board state right. It can take you from just not really doingmuch of anything to being very threatening like, and you didn't evenhave to play a supporter. You didn't have the player Todenne or anythinglike that. You go from one turn, not really having too much to the next turn.You know threatening the heavy numbers of tag bolts or full blets right, andthat's that's just referring to electrify, whereas the actualrecenbolton as good as the second attack right. So I think there's a couple reasons thatmaybe this didn't get the attention it deserved. I think the first part of itis, I don't think people were giving enough attention to the fact it wasonly to energy on a superiser. So you know, Tepacoca did have that threeenergy investment for the two hundred damage and two hundred damage was goodand not as good. Now I don't think headedly with all the VMAXES, but itwas good for the time, but it was a three energy investment which wasalready one thing. So you know- and it was you know, itwas two hundred damage you couldn't attack again. Bolton has an array ofgood things going for it right. It has to energy attack it's flexible and it'suse. You can use it on diracis and stuff, but even beyond that, like you can keepattacking with it over and over again, it's right prize attacker. It'sbasically your only two frizes attacker that can attack repeatedly in thePEGROUN DECX history right. You know, like even Saptos the one price tactoryou had to constantly sitch it out. Zeror you had to move around Tapa Coco.You have to move aroun. This thing you just stand up there and hit you forthree hundred three turns in a row if it was to yeah. So I think Bollton wasjust a good, crazy, Kood Gardan. I definitely did not think it would be asgood as it yeah I just yeah and you go there and you say like why didn't wethink that it would be a good deck, and I think this is where kind of like yeah,the experience, maybe hurt you know is, were kind of our testingin the past, hurt our current perceptions. I wouldn't say that that's often thecase, but I would say that in this, in this instance, it definitely was wherePikaron was just kind of not held in high regard, and it shouldhave been. And then it's like hindsight is two thousand and twenty, because nowour eyes have been opend, then we say: Oh yes, well, of course righ shouldhave had you know the speed lightning. Of course you know, helps the deck in ameasurable amount and the Bultsun is just an insane card, and then you pairthem, together with you, know, pkroms gx attack, and that just makeseverything amazing, and so we should have seen that and we just didn't,because Pekerom wasn't really the deck of last format. It arguably yeah fit inthat, like tier to area, I think last forma just couldn't really get over thehump of ATP. I kind of figured okay. ATP is going to stay around, so that's.Where does that leave be grum and yeah experience hurt us on this call, Ithink so yeah and you know even looking deeper into it. It's so hard to say, like you know,it's hard to quantifiably say like pekeram struggled before with ATPastion. Why wouldn't it continue to struggle in this matter if the mediccan keep up with adps ation more than it could previously yeah? You know:That's a tough hurdle to overcome if you're, already kind of have a biasagainst Pekram, especially like myself. Right, I'm, not a huge. I have nothistorically veen a huge fature have fan, but I think really the Bollton is, I think, we'llpush it over. You know you can so aggressively. Do so much damageconsistently turn after turn, and you have this feelighting as wellto get those combos off quicker and, I think, actually, in the past, Pikaromdid hang in the Meta. I just had to get like the turn one and to full, less andbran wasn't good enough at doing that right and so, but now it's actuallypretty good at doing it yeah even with, and you have these Jew stuff engineslike no more no more valkner man like what a awful feeling card to use. Yeah that'si mean again, it just goes backto like a different ten. The difference that drawing two cards off and energyattacher can make because those two cards can be just the exact cards thatyou needed to do. You know again we...

...come back to like quickball. That'ssuch a huge thing, getting Tho dig and extra two cards to find that quick,ball and quick balk could be Tampa. Coco cookball could be Dedene, you knowquickoall could be. I don't know. I guess that Pekeram or whatever that youned whatever it is. It's just like those extra two cards really do make teRa Elde Gos. We just I don't know I failed to see it and yeah yeah we'lltake the all for sure. Ell Take now take teal chat, yeah. I think we talkeda lot about babial stuff on honestly and I feel, like we kind of had a goodsense, that baby stuff on would be good going into suspect it's personally. Thedect that I probably would have played if I had played at Lemes call ir three.So it doesn't surprise me to see that it did well. I think- and I doesn't surprise me- Iguess either that it was shown in such numbers. Yes generally been a prettypopular deck and it seemed to have a good foothold in the meadow. So I thinkwe were pretly. I think we're pretty right about baby bull sephalon. I thinkit is just a fine. You know it's a better than find EG. It's a here onedeck right now and I think that it will change and howit's built as well. I do think like B Springer is so huge, so important thatI think that we will see potentially an increase count. Maybe people will. Iknow that adventure bag is a pretty popular card right now, but I couldjust see people going cutting the adventure bag and just playing tobspringer to basically ensure that you have the B Springer on the turn thatyou need it for the matchups that you neededspecifically ATP and Dikarom if they decide to go down the route ofattacking with the PKERON first, and so I think that will change. You know,you'll, probably see mew added into blesephlon and I think with changeslike that that just are specifically focused for Pekaram. You know we couldeven see next week. We could be talking about how just you know. Blesaflon iseasily the best deck because it can handle Pekeram and also knock out the Vmaxs Yeah Yeah Bleseflon definitely have a good foothold in it. I don'treally see it losing it. The only thing I think that really threatens pleTeffelon. Is these mill decks that are kind of still out there off to the s?And you know I feel, like those decks, don't have a great peekeram or Jagopolmatchup, at least it the jragop playing Malamar Brog, but the where theystruggle or where they really shine rather is against stuff like Babila,Seplon or Moutu, where they can just really lay on the preshure even againstthe Ad Ahions. Thet can really put on some pressure unless they play energyswitch to prevent them from getting off that Cx Atack and closing out the game.So do you have any extra thoughts on the mill decks? I feel like they kindof have a very similar nich to the one they've a already occupied yeah. Youknow, they're, U still looving waiting for Srike. I feel like yeah, exactly Ithink, they're always going to be there. They're always going to be a part of at least the cards for mill. Right noware just so insanely broken that it's always going to be a threat atsome level yeah. We didn't really see too much of it. You know I would say inthis qualifier as opposed to qualifiers in the past, and I don't know do I expect thattrying to continue- maybe not again as you're saying if the medic continuallyyou know, transit favorably towards baby blsephlon, then perhaps it makesmore sense. That mill would come. You know in fuller force, but that justremains to me seen. I can't really say that I feel one way or the othernecessarily on that. Because again you do say it takes a bad dragon. Pallmatch of it is pretty bad. I mean even with the hammers and stuff like that,it's really bad. It's hard to deny the Dragon Pole player the two attachmentsat some point in the game, and so if they get the two attachments I mean itcan really snowball out of control from there. So Dragon pults bad matchup. Thething is like th. The Meta game actually feels pretty feels pretty good for Drago Poulde ifthey can find a way to be Pekaron, because I feel that dragon pult hasthat positive matchup against Blisaphlon, despite I results, but ithas that positive match up against B Seplon because you're threatening toknock out their pivot and their main attacker that they just weldered to so.It gets really funky in the bllosaplon matchup with Drago Pult, and so I feel,like Dragonpol, is very well positioned, generally speaking, aside from the side from Pekarum Eah, the PA Gronmatchups. Tough, though for sure so do you see any COUNTERDEX potentiallyrising up? Do you think people will start ceing up with their failingsticks? I was just goingto say failings to me. There are two that are on myradar and the first one is the failing. Stagat, that's a little bit more memeof a deck. You know it's a concept, that's like you know. It's just handedto Y: U by Pokmon right there like okay, but that te bad thing. It builds itself,you know, and so so I that that that is very potent. Ithink against particularly the vmaxes...

...that have a little bit of power crapt damage output in in a wayyou know where, like the the Dragon Pall Deck, does you know itdoes hune eighty damage, but it's O ondred thirty to the active, so thatyou know can be tanked by a failing site. I think in things like intellionright, it has just kind of that that neutered second attack where it's likesixty or a hundred and sixty to the active okay. So you're, if you haveyour full squad out, you know you're surviving a hit, so I has a decent match up against thevmaxes and obviously has a should have a pretty good match againstPekeron, with everything being fighting weak and so where it gets into trouble.Is things like yeah baby will seffle onthat? Can just one shot at things like ATP ation that take two prizes forevery little failings, every attacker that you have so that's where I gets alittle dicy. But again, if the Meta shifts correctly,then failings could be a really good option. The other thing I was thinkingabout that. I actually really enjoy myself that I think, is a very gooddeck that only really struggles with consistency. Problems is glarianobstagon and the Galarian obstaclein is uper super good deck. Right now, alittle bit slept on. I think a lot more players should beplaying it. It suffers to consistency, but if it can overcome that, if it canget the roses at the right time, if it can, you know stave off the peak grum,Gx Iteck, then it's in a really good spot. I think the deck is solid. Theconcept is really really good and it beats a lot of the metagame right nowyeah. We did see a couple players piloted to some moderate success at thetournament, so yeah gons definitely a deck to Lok OUP fort. I it's a prettySald analysis of what we saw from qualifier three, I'm excited to see howthe Meta evolves. Ind Shapes from here. It seems like it's kind of like youwere talking about the last week where you know now. We have the first resultsin the formats kind of have to shape itself around this Iwas rire. It's justhow it works out, so it'Si'm excited to see what rises up to Pekaram. Ifanything is able to or blounds an it be just totally dominant. Maybe mill makeso rise Y, no it's hard to say, but I think it's going to be interesting towatch panol. I think tha, the Veda is expansive right now, and hopefully itstays that way. Absolutely you know, especially compared to the last setwhere it was anything but expensive, okay. So the next thing I think we haveto talk about, and especially given our interview with the Zol is pokmanis- isdoing this qualifier thing of their own, an where they're having players competein these tournaments for tournament rap and eventually go to a larger players.Cup Tournament, you know, is a little grihe and griped about Pokma, nothaving real tournament support in the client and literally the day that weUloa the video they actually announce something. So I don't know if they justlistened and were peeved off that we had talked about this dout tha. I thinkthree times of the gas but thatd be pretty cool. I mean if youare listening in your TPC, I employee, and we were the change you kno. Let usknow that be a cool little yeah. I don't think it in Morbut, but that's still, it's still funnycoincidence. So yeah right! No, absolutely absolutely I mean you lookat it just from a bird's ide viewpoint. You say: That's! That's really good,like we're very happy that Pokemon is you know whether or not they listen totheir players, they're at least acknowledging that there should be someinterest in the game still despite this kind of offseason for us and so justfrom a bird's eye perspective, it's great it's a great move. They shouldnot just keep it as this one of, but you know F. Imagine if Fokmon ran anevent like this on a weekly or by weekly basis. I mean that would just beso huge. We look at the limitless things and thereare over. You know.Fifteen hundred, you know sometimes like seventeen hundred viewers of thedirent different streams that are going on wor e, limiless quall and, likeimagine, if pokemon put on something like that, I mean they. Obviously, aredoing that, I'm just saying that I think it's going to be a big deal forour little our little game and I'm super super happy that it is happeningyeah. I'm excited to see how the tournament proper is handled in theclient yeah cause. Clearly they have some sort of plan. I hope for how thiswill play out and they don't want people to Adt each other as friends andchallenge, but they obviously don't have theframework for that in place right now. So I'm curious how that will look yeahws, all Saden done again yeah. The biggest issue that I see here is justthe advantage that the player who has never fully used. You know theirtickets they've, never fully used their.

You know account to its fullestadvantage. How that player has a huge advantage over someone who you knowlike uses their tickets on a regular basis or whatever you know, just basicallydepletes themselves. Every time a new set comes out or whatever it may beright, and so you know that is the biggest question for me. I think itreally limits a lot of players to say yeah. Well, it was all based on tickets.You know it should have known it's like well Dang it. You know. I had no idea,it would have been nice. I guess they're giving us like a two weekleeway, but even then like how much poke Mond you have to play in two weeksto even sniff a chance t at being able to qualify, considering that there arepeople with you know, hundreds potentially thousands of tickets outthere to spend on these tournaments. So I'm curious to see what they do. I hopeand kind of have a feeling that they will either do something like limitingthe amount of tournament like they'll, make like aspecial tournament for this, like qualifier or whatever, that you canonly enter x amount of times per day or that they will give everyone a certain amount of tickets, or I meanmaybe even abolish the ticket system entirely. I I don't white know howthey'll do it. I hope that they do some kind of like gated system, where it'slike. Okay, you know you get your three tournament, three tournaments alotmentfor a day period, and then you know you play with those and then that's it. Soeveryone maximum has, you know one, the three tournaments or whatever it is perday and that everyone's kind of on that even playing field there. That's theonly thing I worry about again. I'm super super happy that they're doing it.I just that would be one suggestion that I would have for Pokemon in orderto keep it fair and balanced and make sure people are just like wasting their,not wasting their life. I don't want it to sound like that, but just likegrinding for something that might not even be attainable, yeah, and I thinkthat leads into a couple of my concerns, so I think I'm personally excited to see how theytackle the challenge of having the actual qualified tournament. Once thathappens, you know in July or August, but as far as like getting there withthe tournament tickets, I think is definitely a flag structure. You know Ipersonally have quite a few tournament tickets, but that certainly doesn't gofor every players. I know quite a few streamers of particular my dudetournament like weekends or tournament Fridays or, however, they might like todo it, and I know you do that as well and so you're expending these tickets, justas part of your normal daytoday and other people just like to play in thetournaments like I do them on the new sepsdrop, all the time just to try andget packs, and so it's weird to me that the tickets Fudfrom something that meant basically nothing to something that actually likecat, tangible, real world value and like being able to qualify for thistournament and then potentially get a travel award to an IC which yeah has avalue up to twenty five hundred dollars. Yeah yeah, I mean it's just it's just alittle unfortunate if it does just end up being that where it's like. Okay,you know the the better players are not the better bla. The people with themost tickets have just the the exponential increase in chance to yeah, earn that award or make it intothis event, and so I have a feeling that they havesomething planned. I do hope that they have something planned, but obviouslyit's all just conjecture at this point yeah. I do hope they have a plan forthat, whether they you know take away packs or something from the tournamentsand just make them free to enter. You know I personally, relatively agnostic as to what that endresult is as long as it's more even playing ground for everyone toparticipate in yeah, because you hate, for you hate for talented players to beexcluded from having the chance to play. Just because you know they didn't usetheir TCGO account a lot prior to this, or whatever reason there might be. prefrigerated elements brings up apoint saying that bots are another worry. I think that I read somewherethat they were handling any type of botding that might go on, but guess like how Oul, how can theytruly effectively handle Botdi? Either I mean yeah, I mean there's alwaysgoing to be, especially with the game. I guess like this. where it's you knowanyone could play it from anywhere. I guess it just yeah who knows who knowswhat they're doing behind the scenes? Yeah S it's going to be tough. I thinkit's just going to be tough and- and I think Sean and our chapringsup a good point. I as well, where the tournaments are also like a pretty bigplane ground for newer players who are trying to acquire packs and build herup their Pon account, and you know the terms are going to be completelyoverruttn for a month. Well, I think...

...again, I think what Pokemon will do. Ihope this is what they do, but I hope they introduce a new tournament whereit's you know it's just a standard eighteght man, pod or whatever, butit's like another subcategory of that where it's like a ranked you know. Soyou could click unrank tournament, and that would just be like what we know inlove and then you could click ranked, and that would you know be hopefullyfree, but then give you points towards the bigger events and then like you canonly enter it. You know X, number of times per day, and so that would bevery similar to other things. That pokemon does, for instance, pokemon go,has the Vokemon Battaleague, and you know at this point in time like in thiscurrent situation. It is free to enter that used to be where you had to walk acertain number of you know Kalometers to get this amount of points to enter,but now it's free during this time in this covid time, and so it you know, and you get a certainalotment, you can do five. I think it's five matches or something it's liketwenty five matches, or whatever it is. There's like a there's, a limit everyday that you can do and so yeah. I guess it's twenty five, because I thinkyou can do five sets of five. So that would be something that I hopethat they implement some kind of gated system where it's free to enter, buteverybody can only do x number during a day right. I I don't know, I guess Idon't know like the full capability of what they can achieve. I think yeah.The tournament rap is already something that exists and is parsed out throughthe existing tournament structure, sure and Shour. They could probably slap ontournament rep onto an additional tournament, but I think they likeexisting ones would still like be a part of it and contribute. Absolutely I mean who knows who knowsagain. This is all just kind of what I hope. What I think would make the mostsense for them as a company in terms of catering to both the casual andcompetitive player and we'll see what happens we'll see, and II think regardless this will be an interesting experience. It'll probablybe in some ways a learning experience for Pokemon as far as how they want tohandle this moving forward. I hope they take whatever comes out of this, be itgood or lessons learned and continue to apply it into more online tournaments,because I think, generally speaking, even when we have real life eventshaving an online bace to play the game off of, is good and healthy andencourages more people to get into the game who might not be able to travel orwhatever my reason they might have to just prefer online yeah. Absolutely. I hope that it thatit continues to like spur off into more events. I think a circuit would be socool. I mean I don't quite know how they do it in other esports, but Ithink I'm sure that there's you know many many many online circuits likethis and so of you know a fiscal card game that is taken online like this andso yeah. I hope they do something with it. I hope it is something that theyimplement regularly and that this is just the little seed that turns into amighty tree. Yeah Yeah. I'm definitely excited to see to see it happen and tosee what growth will come from it. So certainly can't complain right aboutmore pokemon right. Exactly IIT does make me a little anxious kind of going back to your point about,like potentially being able to grind your not like. Even if you have thetickets like time is also a resource, and you know for working adults, theymight not have the full about of time every day if, if it's truly uncappedright inds, so it's just going to be interesting yeah, so you know we'll see we'll see,I'm just GOINGNTO, throw my hands up and say we'll see, and that's Al Right,however, pans out, I think, especially given the vagueness of it. I think toptwo N fity six to play in the main event is probably fine for now andwe'll have to judge it from there whether or not that was too largeor toolittle cool GW. Is there anything else? Reallythat's coming up on your radar that we want to make sure that we're hitting utwell, I was just going to wonder if you were going to go for it. I mean wedon't know all the parameters to this events, but would you try to play inthe POKEMOM Players Cup yeah, I mean I'Lli definitely have like the tickets,and you know if I see the opportunity I'll take it. The only thing that- andI think generally I'll try some amount regardless, because I think two fiftysigs is enough, where, if I just grind out the ticket that I have, hopefully Icould make it, but I don't know. I think the problem is that if everybodyhas the idea that two fifty six is large enough, that they can make it,then we just have a lot of people like trying really hard and it ends upbeeing like a total mess yeah. So so the answer question I willprobably try. It might not be enough, depending on like how hard other peopleare going and just based on, like the Bandwith, the time that I have in theweek, yeah yeah right Weras, like primarily Onplayn, like the weekends orsomething so right, we'll see we'll see...

...o how it pans out, but I'll definitelytry it cool. Well, I think that's pretty much everything that I have interms of the weekly news from POKOMON trading card game. So we can. I guess,at this point open it up to the chant if you have any questions or anyconcerns that you'd like it to address at this point but yeah I do just want to come back.Refrigerated elements says here bouncing between streams during quarter,three was awesome and I just as a streamer, I agree like it was very funto kind of see other people streaming. You know Ihad a very early day, but then I was able to go into other streamers andsupport them, and it's just it's a very good and very healthy stream communitythat we have built here for Pokemon and I think, a lot of the content. Creatorsare very supportive of each other, very happy that the other exists and youknow to bounce ideas off or to you know, challenge or to you know, just growwith, and so that's very cool. I think this community has been really reallyopen to new players. Trying to you know, create content, or you know the veterans have just beenvery welcoming. So it's cool, it's really a nice scene, and I think thatwas best exemplified by you know all these limeliss weekends. Where thereare, you know five, six, seven eight, you know relatively well known streamers, goingat it and drawing decent numbers, and you know supporting each otherthroughout. So I got a couple questions here. Lastcon hear ask what's being under estimator overlooked going into thefourth qualifier. I think JW mentioned opsagoon being as one thing that couldpotentially be overlooked. Right now. I think actually moutudex aren't in aterrible spot right now either. If you find the right builds for the rightMetas, I think there's always a potential for such a Verseou versatyledeck to break through yeah. I would say: Obstoe Gon is myplay. That's kind of maybe I don't know under the radar, whatever you want tocall it. It certainly wasn't didn't see highplay in quarter four. So to that end, I think you know that would be a deckthat I would look to. It also just look at mill again, you know, males is justgood, I don't think it quite saw the numbers of the other qualifiers like Iwas saying earlier in the cast, so I don't know that it's necessarilyoverlooked or underestimated, but it should be a deck that I think will inthe fourth qualifier just see higher counts of play than it did so. Red says out of curiosity, how manytickets do you guys have already? I don't. Actually I found out the otherday when I tried to look up my account on the pokoman website. I found outthat it wasn't linked to my pop ID, so I had to find my other account try tolog in and then you know, I obviously found out that it had no cards. That'sWHA, I'm in the process trying to build that account up. So Ihave really no tet yeah. I have something like two hundredtickets right now, yeah yeah, just a you know relatively, Iguess Standard Im out for someone who doesn't play the tournaments, the tonrplace the ladder at decent about right yeah. It's kind of it's kind of a weirdthing right because we just don't know all the players out there that havebeen farming and we don't know the system by which you get points towardsthe you know invitation. Is it for every tournament that you win? Do youget points forever you win in the tournament, thereby you know saingsystem already does exist, so you probably could like do some cursorylike research into it. Okay, yeah. I don't know too much about that thatsystem. Obviously it's like very it's kind of even hard to find like I waslooking for it the other day and it's like it's hard for me to find on thePOKOMA website. In any case yeah, it's just. We don'tknow the the exact parameters and yeah. I don't know it's justinteresting, like maybe there's one person out there with tensend ticketsand they just grind their way simply byjust having the most amount. You know who knows who knows right, yeah,knowing Pokeman, I'm pretty sure you'd at least get points for win. Youprobably get points for entering them at all. That's just my hunch. I don't really know yeah my guess. Itwould be like one two, four eight point: threyever there. It is Formula One mansays: I have nine hundred and forty tickets at's a lot of tickets, thit's alot of tickets, brow Bette, take him to the Carnival...

Sean also asked earlier awhat. Ourthoughts are on the recent products to encourage new players getting into the game, andwe touched a little bit on the Dena box earlier. I think, generally speaking,that the products that pokmen are coming out with are super cool and it'sreally awesome to see them, encourage players to pick up stuff and haveimmediate access into the game. So I really can't get plan. I hope theycontinue to take it like further and further, and I hope is that you knowdeeper down the line that they can make it even more. I guess modern, because Ifeel like they're doing a good job with this stuff, but it always feels like alittle bit behind from when they could have been released. True, it's likeSura Mac, yeah IACT. It's tough, though it's a balancing act against like liketrying to make a profit off. What's already out versus like right, and youlook at it, but I mean you think, like maybe six months, you know where it'slike enough to have. You know a handful of regionals and then you know peoplewill want the cards for an and that's all kind of just you know on acompetitive perspective, really we're not the people that drive the product being made or sold, and so you know its kind of we're coming outof from a bias. But yeah I mean you'd like to see yeah the GERACIS come out.You know six months or so after the thing give the product the box. Youknow it's the sealed box it's time and then move it into something like apromo that comes out. You know at Walmart, Yeah Yeah, definitely love to see them domore, but it's way easier for us to say that is like Ias. People as opposed topeople like you know, seeing the bottom line that you know hright thing right:We're not financial analyst for Po, so that'sright cool. I think that probably brings usabout to a close for today. I'm really excited to dig more into the Players Cup and what that might entailand well shy and give you all updates, as we learn more and throughout themonth of June, how that's going so yeah look outfor that. I'm excited to play and compete and probably beat all of youall on some tournaments. So especially DW, that's right! Turnet record isn't looking too hotright now, so it really really so. Thank you so much all for listeningbe sure to rate and review. If you're listening on Itunes, it really doeshelp us out and we will catch you all next week, peace, so yeah.

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