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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 2, Episode 15 · 1 year ago

2-15. Player's Cup Premiere

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

What is up everybody? Welcome backto tag team, the POKEMON trading card games premier podcasting duo. My nameis Riley Hulbart and I'm joined by my good, good friend JW Crew WallGw how you doing today, Riley? I'm doing awesome. Thank you somuch for asking. And by awesome I mean my basement flooded. Yeah,yeah, that yesterday. Well, what happened there? I mean it justthere was an abnormal amount of rain. This place doesn't really flood and likethis area that we're in, we're a little bit higher and it just doesn'tnormally fly. Like our landlord said, this was the first time that it'sever flooded and so we just, I just had some things on the ground. I didn't lose too much. We mostly lost things like paper towel,sure you know, miscellaneous food items that we had kept from our last,you know, shopping trip that we had just put on the ground. Idid lose a couple of cards. Oh No, and I can't wait toshow you what they are in a youtube video that I have hopefully coming outon Friday, I think it'll be. I'll make good use of the ruinedcards. I think they're very funny. But you know, I mean allin all, maybe, you know, two or three hundred dollars worth ofdamage. So sizeable, but not. You know, we're not going bankruptor anything by any means. So sure it was. It was fine.You know, we have most of our stuff in these big plastic stick tubs. It was only about two or so inches of water. But this actuallyisn't the first time that my basement has flooded. So it didn't happen inthis house, but it happened in a half that I used to live in. It's just not a fun experience. You gotta like air out all yourwe had a few books and stuff that we're trying to air out and salvageand you know, it's just more an annoyance than anything else. But we'reback up and running. Things seem to be a little bit on the,you know, pretty dry side. I guess that's good. So we'll seeif there's any kind of mold development or anything that I need to be waryof there, but for now seems okay. I guess that's all you can askfor right. That's right. Coming out on the better side of it. It looks like at least your Tiar tech wasn't rud so that's good.I was so thankful. There might be a chord with my second monitor.That just it's water logged right now. So I'm hoping if I give it, you know, a few days to dry out, but it's like thethe court is good because I can just replace it. This TEAV has,like the court can come out, or I guess I second monitor has.It can come out. So I'm not too worried there. If I dohave to replace that, I mean it's probably like twenty bucks as opposed tobuying a whole new monitor, which right now is you know, they're they'rereally get price couching right now for monitors because everybody's working from home. Sofirst of you take out a cord. Is Twenty dollars. We're kind ofplace. Are you getting your chords from? Dude? Well, how much doyou think your chord would be worth? You can get like an Amazon basicchord for six dollars. Okay, I thought you were saying I wasunderpaying. No, that's so much money or most and I'm probably not goingto buy. If I'm going to get a chord for this monitor, likeI'm probably not just going to get the non name brands right. That doesn'tseem so it's a court. Okay, fair enough. Moves like justcity fromone place to another, can't well, Riley, you're the part of GuyI know. So if you say it's okay, then share. So.Well, aside from your you know, living space catastrophe, I think there'splenty that we need to talk about this week. Sorry, hopefully none ofyour ruined cards were Dedenn a's. Although, before we get to any discussion,they did show that really cool Dedenn a like packed trainer Kit box thing. So just want to give a shout out to Pokemon for like keeping aneye on the competitive scene. I think, especially in like a post quarantine world, will need ways to like reinject players into the game, right,because the game will have to be re it livened, and so having likecool products that can make it easily and accessible for players. Yeah, thegame is a really good idea. Yeah, no, I mean, I willdefinitely be taking advantage of those to denny boxes. Yeah, I lost. Let's see, I lost potentially or two six. Oh, no,I mean I as as most of the podcast listeners know, I had madea heavy investment into the Dedann a. So losing them again during especially duringthis time where we don't actually have live events and we might not have alive event for another year, it's really not a huge loss in my eyes, because the resell value just really wasn't there and I bought them for socheap and I bought so many of them that I had already sent away.You know, I'm already rolling in my...

...profits, so it's a it hurts, but yeah, you'll see what I mean. I lost a few,I lost a few cards and I'll show those off on Friday. Very cool. Yeah, so just want to go quick shout out to that product.If you're not aware, be sure to check that out. I think it'slike thirty bucks retail or something, and you get to to day a's init, so not too bad. Yeah, Pokmon seems to be going all inon investing on those kind of products, which is awesome, but in themore event focused mindset. First we'll take a look at the past andthen we'll kind of jump ahead to the future. So just past weekend waslimitless qualifier number three, the first one featuring the rebel clash format and wetalked about it a decent amount with the Zul this last week as far aswhat good choices might be and the metal might look like and end up handingout in a kind of interesting way. And I don't think a lot ofpeople expect I could this. Some people certainly did, but p Kurram wasreally the start of the show this weekend, taking four of the top eight spots, and not only that, but took first and second in the finalstandings. Yeah, so he grew on with a fantastic showing this weekend andwe'll cephalon really not that far behind, having tons of top thirty, twotop eight finishes and, you know, even beyond that, like some olderplayers like Puca out there playing baby will stephal on to great success. Soreally cool, very awesome to see. Yeah, and it's interesting how thelimitless qualifier, as a non pokemon sanctioned event can, you know, allowplayers like Puka to reinject themselves back into the game right like they don't haveto worry about those restrictions for there. That's right ployment. They could justplay the game like they love. That's right, that's right, and Imean I'm sure he does enough playing you know, just with his playtesting orwhatever, through their company or just even outside of work. Just, youknow, it's a game that's very fun. So it's cool to see that hecan go back and be competitive and that's that's a that's a big winfor the Pokemon community overall. Yeah, I think so too, and itshows really this game, you know, is enjoyable. Throughout his history there'sand people who are greats in the past continue to see success in modern day. I think Ross coffin is a really good example of that as well,who has saw a lot of success in these limitless qualifiers. Yahn with hisabsolutely typical, absolutely off Meta choices. I've I mean I've heard in thepast that just, you know, people say since I've been playing, likeOh, the players are better now, and I don't know that that's necessarilythe case. I think they're always been really great players. I guess youcan make an argument that the average players better now, but even then Idon't know that I would necessarily say that's the case. I think that thetechnology surrounding the players is absolutely better, but to say that the Gameplay ofeach player is better now then it was back then. You know, whenyou know, since I don't know Kyle Suka bitch and Ross coughin like startednow, I don't necessarily think so, and it's just goes to show theykeep seeing success or, I guess, in Kyle's case, he comes backand you see some pretty big success and that just to me demonstrates that theyalways had what it took to succeed. Yeah, I think so too,and it's cool to see that put into practice. The practice, though,right, because it feels like those arguments always lives so much in theory,you know. Yeah, like talking about, you know, other sports. GRADS, you know it's so hard to compare eras of Sports. Yeah,but you know, in a game like pokemon you actually could potentially like comeback and play again, and really that success has been awesome to see.So before we get into the overall results and taking a look at peak ramand some of the other top eight decks, I'd like to just briefly go over, JW, what your experiences is like piloting that dragon pult vmax deck. So yeah, well, it was a brief experience, sure, butI ended up going lasting for only six rounds. You know, I wantedto play it out as long as I could, but just ended up,you know, facing matchups I was overall confident with, but that just didn'tgo my way. And all credit goes to my opponents who pretty much,and every single loss, played as well as they could have. I don'tthink that they made it really any miss plays on on their end, andso we beat an obstacle in the first round. That was a good matchup petting into the end of the day, I think with Dragon Paul you justhave so much snipeability. You can take down Zigzagoon's on the bench beforethey evolved. You can, you know, take the two prizes. You can. You. I played a Feon, so you're able to push around theobstacleon and obviously the obstruct doesn't really do anything to you because you arean evolution pokemon. So that matchup is generally pretty easy. The only thingyou really have to watch out for is the Sable IV and then, toa lesser extent, the voltle HMM gx.

But if you can manage to makeit around those then you're in a really good spot. And so Iended up beating the obstacleon player in round one and then I faced an ATPtomb that heading in I felt like Dragon Boll had a good matchup against anight's still stand by that. I don't know that I think that it hasas good of a matchup as I did before the tournament, but I dothink that it's still very reasonable to win that matchup. I just think inthe two times that I played the ATP tomb in the tournament, going secondwas such a huge barrier to winning and I almost did it, just itdidn't quite happen. Didn't quite happen for me. I wasn't able to controltheir board. Was the biggest issue. So going second really hurt because theywere both able to get the turn one attached them to ATP, follow thatup with the altar creation and then if they can get the ultra creation beforeyou attack, that's where it becomes really hard because they can just start topretty much power up whatever they want at will. N Damage almost doesn't reallymatter because, like, you want to try to get the knockout in onthe ATP the turn after they gx, and if you can do that,then you set yourself up pretty well because you can usually like take something downon the bench at Geraci or a spear tomb and then from there you justhave to find a way to take the last two prizes, which is prettyeasy against the deck like that. Unfortunately, again went second in round two andround three against ATP tomb. I think that was the kind of Idon't know, the biggest misplay I guess I had against those two decks whereit was just I miss that one turn. I was just back by a turnand I think if I go first then it's a way different story.But you know, it is what it is. Trying to Marny them outof things and it always seemed like my opponents were just drawn. What theyneed, you know, is like every little thing, and at credit tothem and credit to their decks. Round for I played against a bolt ondeck. It was a bolt on focused it was like a peek around deck. I think he had maybe one peak around but more focused on energy spinneron the second turn. So he actually opted to go second, even thoughhe won the flip, and then he would energy spinner like two or threetimes, get that all into the discard with the dedennae or research and thenuse this are Oor gx attack as opposed to doing something with the shuckle andgetting in the energy into the discard that way. So I thought it wasvery unique take, at least different from what I had been envisioning the bolton deck to be, and it was. It was just a tough matchups,really hard. When they can one shot, your v Max has tostay in the game. So he was able to take that one and thenaround five I you know, I always get in this kind of mode whereit's like okay, you lose a few and then it just kind of regroup. I have this saying that Kevin Baxter came up with. It's just calledriding the wave. You know, a boy riding the way of Riley,where it's like, you know, you go down early and you're hoping toplay, you know, kind of all the all the tier three decks,maybe all the players that aren't as high caliber, and you just kind ofride those all the way to the day to or top cut or whatever.Right. So round five I was in that mindset, getting ready to playand you know, he flips over a meat too and I'm like, okay, that's fine, I can handle a meat too, and then he tagcalls for the mega sable eye tyrannatar and I'm like all right, that's aboutit. Yeah, that's it. was able to get the I can't rememberhe went first or second. I have a feeling he went second, butlike on his second turn he just got, you know, the sable light tyrantsare in the discard and then he got the Sogal Leo, excuse me, on the field. He got the Socal Leo in the discard, hegot the sable eye tyrannuts are on the bench and that was just able toload it up with the soul burst gx attack and then I was just atthat point, you know, you just kind of know, you just acceptit. I played it out, but it was pretty tough and then Iround sick and round six I probably had the bet, the most favorable matchupI could have had in the tournament. I faced a Greens blow cephalon andit just again just didn't really go my way. I can't really remember toomany details, but I remember taking a knockout and then marning my opponent andthen he just had I don't know, he had whatever was to get upto the seven energy to one shot my v Max and then it was justit was just over from there. So it was a really tough day.I got to say I felt very confident in the deck and immediately after thetournament I kind of thought, okay, this deck, you know, sucks. It doesn't really Ab what it takes to compete at the high level.But then you look at where Dragon Pole finished overall and it seemed like agreat choice for the event. Maybe, you know, going back. Idon't know if I would necessarily play it again, but I think the resultsof, you know, to top eight's...

...a top for the third most representeddeck. I think that shows that the deck has, you know, whatit takes to have the staying power to be a legitimate threat in this format. Yeah, that was going to be kind of my next question is like, what are your feelings coming out of this tournament about Dragon Pole? Itseemed going in that you're pretty confident about dragon pole being kind of the deckto play at the moment. It had pretty good matches across the board andI will point like, yeah, I did have a top for and atop eight finish. That's awesome. If you look more throughout the you know, top however many people and one hundred forty nine. I feel like theDragon Bolts are a little more sparse compared to like like peak ram, whichseemed to really be in droves. Do you think Jack of Bolt has thestaying powers like a tier one deck, or was it a deck that wasrepresented and maybe lives in that tier two and three realm and, you know, yeah, I mean I think I think tier two would be pretty aptto put. I feel like peak ram is there, has asserted itself,whether or not we agree or not, but it really just asserted itself asthat tier one threat and then blow cephalon. I think it's right up there asthe deck that can kind of go toetotoe with the big knockouts of PeakRam. And then I think if you want to play Dragon Paul, you'regoing to have to do some thing, maybe many things, to counter justthe power of Peak Rom. I don't quite know what those are, buta few just ideas are like, you know, you probably have to includea mew, you probably have to include, you know, something that slows downthe peak around player. I'm even thinking like power plant would be agood option for the Dragon Pole, which we did see in one of thetop eight list had like a single power plant. But I feel like thepower plant, you know, needs more testing, obviously, but could neuterthe peak around deck enough to help you kind of get ahead in the game. Just the way that you build your deck is going to have to befocused around how to beat peak aroum. I don't think there's a really likecatch all answer. I think you're going to have to make multiple decisions totry to counter the many different things that Pekuran can do. I think itis possible, but it's tough and you have to really, yeah, constructyour deck in a way to handle that matchup, which it doesn't. Youknow, you can construct your deck in a certain way to try to handlepeak around, but it's by no means an auto win, nowhere close really. I would still even say, you know, mew heavy power plant countsand it's probably still unfavorable, and so it's just a tough matchup. You'regoing to have to understand that and, you know, hope that the metagameat large kind of cycles on itself to beat Pe Kurrum. Yeah, highpraise for Pe Kuram. So looking at your results and looking at how thetournament overall panned out, it doesn't sound like Dragon Pul would really be thedeck that you'd take if you could play it over again, you know,wiping your matchups clean and saying you got to play a whole new version ofthis tournament. Sure, what would you take with the knowledge that you havenow? WOULD BE P from? I mean it probably be Pek around,like that's a deck that I did play in the past, like I've won, you know, cups with it, and so it's not a deck thatI have like a personal biased against. I just feel like it's I don'tquite know how the peak ram players beat the consistently ATP players. I feellike that matchup is still favorite for ATP again, I don't know the matchupin and out with the new cards. So you know it, maybe it'sdifferent. Maybe it's that much different that now peak ram is just fast enoughthat it can overcome the you know, speed and power of the ATPSATION deck. But yeah, you know that that's I just don't know. I wouldsay that if I were to play it over again, peak around would bea choice. ATPSATION was my second choice to drag a poult and I wouldfeel very comfortable playing atpzation. Yeah, atpsation I feel like was kind ofan underperformer and I don't know if that was lack of representation from top levelplayers or, you know, lack of foothold in this format. Do youthink ATPS Ahan is like a top tier contender, still moving forward? Idon't see why I wouldn't be. It didn't really lose that much, itdidn't gain too much. So it just you just have to look at thethreads surrounding it. And baby will cephalon was never a matchup that I feltUN favored against, and I think a lot of people would disagree with thatbecause you do have I think if they have the be springer, it's prettybad. You do have the springer. If they get the be springer,then yeah, it's pretty tough to deal with. I've just often found thatMarnie is a really huge swing in the matchup and I think yes, ifyou have a bill cephalon against an adpzation that plays maybe to Marnie and can'thit them on the turns that they need to, then sure you're going tostruggle. It could have been that with the scoop up nets it's that muchmore consistent. I do find the consistency bump of baby Blie Cephalon to be, you know, noticeably higher. So...

...it could just be that with thescoop up nets that you're, you know, able to recycle the GERACIS and domultiple every turn, that it just takes it over the edge against ATPZation. And so if that's the case, baby bill cephalon might just edge outATP from the Meta entirely and then it becomes kind of this weird peakRom Blis Cephalon and then, you know, I don't really even know where togo from there. And friends. Yeah, it friends right. Yeah. So I think we talked about it a lot. We just have todive in a peak around now at this point. So Peak Rom. Ifeel like we didn't give really attention to deserve last week. I think weprobably just weren't really on board with how good the deck potentially was. Inhindsight, I think there's plenty of things that we can point out that maybeare, I don't want to say obvious, but that we can say like yeah, this is a clear strong point of the deck. I think thefirst and most, you know, visibly noticeable one is going to be thespeed lightning energy. The grease energy is kind of I always think of thethe grease song when I hear some lightning. But you know, I drawing twocards off an attachment for free is is nuts and I think I wantto say a soul is that this on on the cast either, that itwould be a crazy card. Even if it wasn't like ever played, youknow, would still be a car that was worthy of ourmembering as a powerfulcard. Right, and I think that holds true, especially the fact isa colored energy. You know, if it was a colorless energy, maybe, but this is an actual colored energy. Sure, you know it's that energy. You can accelerate the full blitz, but you know, the effect ofit is pretty noticeable. And I pek Ram is a deck that,you know, in my experience, relies on drawing a lot of cards andhaving long combos and in its terms. And you know, what better wayto facilitate that than drawing extra cards by attaching your energy, which you're alreadygoing to do anyway? Sure, yeah, it's just it's so interesting how offso many American content creators were about Pe Kurram. I just can't reallythink of anyone that I know that said that, you know from from thestates, that said that peak rom was the play for the tournament it's justit just goes to show, like, you know, for every ralllet,eggs, vile plume deck that somebody comes up with, there's you know,we think that peek aroma is bad. You know, it just that happens. You swing and Miss Sometimes. You know, even Barry Bonds strikes out. You know, it's just it's going to happen when you make opinions,and so just be better next time. It really was a strong deck anda strong choice. I've played a lot of peak around sense and I'm startingto see why it was played. It's basically, like you know, thespeed lightning is just a really nice little card to kind of smooth out thoseweird hands. The peak around can sometimes get where it's like, do Iwant to get rid of this hand with like a dedenn A, or doI want to save it because I have e powers in hand? And thereare a lot of times where like speed lightning can draw you that one ortwo cars that you need to maybe solve the puzzle of your hand where youknow you just needed that one extra e power and then it allows you tonot have to play the Dana to e power, the quick ball, thequick ball, yeah, exactly exactly I need. So I'm kind of seeingthat now where it's like solving these little issues of you were just so relianton the denny a lot of times with peak arom you were having to,you know, overbench. You're just benching yourself out because you're needed. Youknow, a Danny turn one, didna turned to and like the Denny turnthree, potentially to like get all the things you needed, but at thispoint you're pretty much guarantee yourself a full blitz, you know, at thevery least turn to I did like the list that had the Goosemahalla, whichis what I would really recommend. That was the list that I was playing, you know, just before the season shut down, I think right,and so I really enjoy being able to tag call and get the Goosemahala,which is almost a guaranteed you almost a guaranteed full blitz if you have thestadium and deck so right. It's cool. I like figure. I'M A lot. I think it really is helped by the speed lightning and I didn'tgive that card enough credit. Yeah, and I think bouncing off gooseman hollow, the speed lightning really really amps up the power of Gooseman hollow because,in my opinion it felt kind of, I don't want to say like awful, but it felt a little crappy to use gooseman hollow before it totatch likea unit energy or something. Yeah, yeah, it's just like so nowyou're you're discarding like so many cards, you know, because your Goosemahala isalso your supporter, and you just car two with their cards and you geta thunder mountain and an energy and maybe, Ye know tool or something, somedisplanees tool like a escateboard or a big arm, and that's fine.But what you get his feedlighting energy and you immediately recover the card economy thatyou spent on Goozmahalad. That to me is like an obvious, like strongsynergy that would work rill in any card game, right, like where youwere able to refresh, refreshing, get...

...that economy going. That's something thatlike fundamentally is good in the guard game. Yeah, right, right. Andtaking that a step further, I think the other big thing, andI'm sure you're as well that push Pekerron over, is the Bolton v youknow, the top of cocoa fantasy was there and it. Top Coco wasgood, yeah, but I think both unders is better. It does everythingthat type of Coco kind of want to do, but better. Yeah,the first attack, tap of COCO's first attack, is cool, but Ithink both on's actually like facilitates the goal of the deck to get energy ontothe board, whereas tap of cocoa, you know drue energy cards. It'sfine. It did a little damage to poke down GERACI's and stuff, right, e powers, which is also fine. But electrify like actively accelerates your boardstate. Right. It can take you from just not really doing muchof anything to being very threatening, like and you didn't even have to playa support or you didn't have the player to denny or anything like that.You go from one turn not really having too much to the next turn,you know threatening the heavy numbers of Tag Bolter full bullets, right, andthat's that's just referring to electrify, whereas the actual reason Bolton is good asthe second attack. Right. So I think there's a couple reasons that maybethis didn't get the attention it deserved. I think the first part of itis I don't think people were giving enough attention to the fact it was onlyto energy on its you priser. So you know, tap of Coco didhave that three energy investment for the two hundred damage. And two hundred damagewas good and not as good now, I don't think, rentedly with allthe v Max has, but it was good for the time. But itwas a three energy investment, which was already one thing. So you nowand it was. You know, it's two hundred damage. You couldn't attackagain. Bolton has an array of good things going for it, right,it has two energy attack. It's flexible in its use. You can useit on Gerrachi's and stuff. But even beyond that, like you can keepattacking with it over and over again. It's a prize attacker. It's basicallyyou're only two prize attacker that can attack repeatedly in the peak around decks history, right, you know, like even Safto's the one prize attacker. Youhad to constantly setch it out zero. You have to move around top ofCoco, you have to move at this thing. You just stand up thereand hit you for three hundred three turns in a row if it wants to. Yep. So I think Volton was just a crazy could guard and Idefinitely did not think it would be as good as it yeah, I justyeah, and your you go there and you say like why didn't we thinkthat it would be a good deck? And I think this is where kindof like yeah, the experience maybe hurt, you know, this is where kindof our testing in the past hurt our current perceptions. I wouldn't saythat that's often the case, but I would say that in this in thisinstance, it definitely was where Peak Aram was just kind of not held inhigh regard and it should have been. And then it's like hindsight is twothousand and twenty, because now our eyes have been opened. Then we sayoh, yes, well, of course right. Should have had, youknow, the speed lightning, of course you know helps the deck in ameasurable amounts, and the Bolts and is just an insane guard. And thenyou pair them together with, you know, Pe k Rams gx attack and thatjust makes everything amazing. And so we should have seen that and wejust didn't, because peak ram wasn't really the deck of last format. Itarguably, yeah, fit in that like tier two area. I think lastformat just couldn't really get over the hump of ATP kind of figured. Okay, ATP is going to stay around. So that's where does that leave begram and yeah, experience heard us on this call, I think so.Yeah, and you know, even looking deeper into it, it's so hardto say. Like you know, it's hard to quantifiably say. Like peakram struggled before with atps option. Why wouldn't it continue to struggle in thisMeta if the medic and keep up with ATPS otion more than it could previously? Yeah, you know, that's a tough hurdle to overcome if you're alreadykind of have a bias against Speaker Ram, especially like myself. Right, I'mnot a huge I have not historically been a huge pee round fan,but I think really the volt on is, I think, what push it over. You know, you can so aggressively do so much damage consistently,turn after turn, and you have the speed lightning as well to get thosecombos off quicker. And I think actually in the past speak Rom did hangin the Meta. I just had to get like the turn one and twofoldless and wasn't good enough at doing that right and so, but now it'sactually pretty good at doing it. Yeah, even with any have these juice UFFengines, like no more, no more vultner man, like, whatan awful feeling card to use. I mean again, it just goes backto like the difference that the difference that drawing two cards off an energy attachercan make, because those two cards can be just the exact cards that youneeded to you know. Again we come...

...back to like quick ball. That'ssuch a huge thing, getting to dig an extra two cards to find thatquick ball. And Quick Ball could be Tampa Coco. Quick Ball could beDedenne, you know, quickly wall could be I don't know, I guessthat Peak Ram or whatever that you need, whatever it is, it's just likethose extra two cards really do make a Rara ldags. We just Idon't know, I failed to see it. And Yeah, yeah, we'll takethe L for sure, we'll take noll. Take that. I'll chat. Yeah, I think we talked a lot about maybe will stuff on honestly, and I feel like we kind of had a good sense that baby selfone would be good going into suspense. It's personally the deck that I probablywould have played if I had played at little squall fur three. So itdoesn't surprise me to see that it did well. I think, and itdoesn't surprise me, I guess, either, that it was shown in such numbers. Yeah, generally been a pretty popular deck and it seemed to havea good foothold in the meadow. So I think we were pretty I thinkwe're pretty right about baby will cephalon. I think it is just a fine, you know, it's a better than fine that gets. It's a tierone deck right now and I think that it will change and how it's builtas well. I do think like be springer is so huge so important thatI think that we will see potentially an increased count. Maybe people will Iknow that adventure bag is a pretty popular card right now, but I couldjust see people going cutting the adventure bag and just playing to be springer tobasically ensure that you have the be springer on the turn that you need itfor the matchups that you need it, specifically ATP and PIA Kurram, ifthey decide to go down the route of attacking with the P Kuram first.And so I think that will change. You know, you'll probably see meadded into Blis Cephalon and I think with changes like that that just are specificallyfocused for peak ram. You know, we could even see next week wecould be talking about how, just you know, blue cephalon is easily thebest deck because it can handle peak ram and also knock out the V Max's. Yeah, yeah, let's cepon definitely has a good foothold in it.I don't really see it losing it. The only thing I think that reallythreatens less cephalon is these mill decks that are kind of still out there offto the side. And you know, I feel like those decks don't havea great pikerum or Jagg of puled match up, at least at the dragof bals playing Malamar Brow. But then where they struggle, or where theyreally shine rather, is against stuff like baby will cephalon or Mewtwo, wherethey can just really lay on the pressure. Even against the atps options, theycan really put on some pressure unless they play energy switch to prevent themfrom getting off that gx attack and closing out the game. So do youhave any extra thoughts on the mill decks? I feel like they kind of havea very similar niche to the one they've are already occupied. Yeah,you know, they're still looming waiting for this is shike. I feel like, yeah, exactly. I think they're always going to be there. They'realways going to be a part of at least the cards for mill right noware just so insanely broken that it's always going to be a threat at somelevel. Yeah, we didn't really see too much of it. You know, I would say in this qualifiers supposed to qualifiers in the past and Idon't know, do I expect that trying to continue? Maybe not. Again, as you're saying, if the Meta continually, you know, trendsit favorablytowards baby blill Cephalon, then perhaps it makes more sense than mill would come, you know, in fuller force. But that just remains me seeing.I can't really say that I feel one way or the other necessarily on thatbecause again, you do say it takes a bad dragon pall matchup. Itis pretty bad. I mean even with the hammers and stuff like that,it's really bad. It's hard to deny the dragon pull player the two attachmentsat some point in the game, and so if they get the two attachments, I mean it can really snowball out of control from there. So Dragonpults bad matchup. The thing is like the the metagame actually feels pretty feelspretty good for dragon pulled if they can find a way to beat peak ram, because I feel that dragon poult has that positive matchup against Blill Cephalon,despite my results, but it had that positive match up against bill cephalon becauseyou're threatening to knock out their pivot and their main attacker that they just welderedto. So it gets really funky in the blow cephalon matchup with dragon pultand so I feel like Dragon Bolt is very well positioned generally speaking, asidefrom the side from P Kuron. The Pak on matchups tough though, forsure. So do you see any counterdeckx potentially rising up? Do you thinkpeople will start queuing up with their failing sticks? I was just gonna sayfailings. To me there are two that are on my radar and the firstone is the failing stage. That's a little bit more memi of a deck. You know, it's a it's a concept that's like, you know,it's just handed to you by Pokemon. Right. They're like, okay,but there's the bad thing. It builds itself, you know. And soso I that that that is very potent. I think a gainst, particularly theV Max's that have a little bit...

...of power crept damage output in away. You know, we're like the Dragon Paul Deck. Does you know? It does one hundred and eighty damage, but it's thirty to the active sothat, you know, can be tanked by a failing. So Ithink in things like in telly on right it has just kind of that thatnowdered second attack where it's like sixty or a hundred and sixty to the active. Okay, so you're if you have your full squat out, you knowyou're surviving a hit. So I has a decent matchup against the v Maxhas and obviously has a should have a pretty good match against peak gram witheverything being fighting week. And so where it gets into trouble is things like, yeah, Baby Bill Cephalon that can just one shot at things like atpzation that take two prizes for every Little Phalanx, every attacker that you have. So that's where it gets a little dicey. But again, if theMeta shifts correctly, then failings could be a really good option. The otherthing I was thinking about that I actually really enjoy myself. That, Ithink is a very good deck that only really struggles with consistency problems. IsGlaryan obstacle and then Galaryan obstacon. Is Super, super good deck right now. A little bit slept on and I think a lot more players should beplaying it. It suffers to consistency, but if it can overcome that,if you can get the roses at the right time, if it can,you know, stave off the peak gram gx attack, then it's in areally good spot. I think the deck is solid, the concept is really, really good and it beats a lot of the Meta game right now.Yeah, we did see a couple players piloted to some moderate success at thetournament. So yeah, Dun's definitely a deck to lookout for right it's apretty solid analysis of what we saw from qualifier three. I'm excited to seehow them of evolves in shapes from here. It seems like it's kind of likeyou were talking about the last week, where you know now we have thefirst results in the formats kind of have to shape itself around this aswhere it's just how it works out. So that's I'm excited to see whatrises up to peak ram if anything is able to or blown, since itbe just totally dominant. Maybe milk makes a rise. You know, it'shard to say, but I think it's going to be interesting to watch PanI think the Meta is expansive right now and hopefully it stays that way absolutely, you know, especially compared to the last set, where it was anythingbut expansive. Okay, so the next thing I think we have to talkabout, and especially given our interview with the zool is pokemon is is doingthis qualifier thing of their own where they're having players compete in these tournaments fora tournament rep and eventually go to a larger Players Cup tournament. You know, is a little griped and griped about pokemon not having real tournament support andthe client and literally the day that we upload the video they actually announced something. So I don't know, they just listened and we're peeved off that wehad talked about this. Doubt that, I think three times on the cast, but that'd be pretty cool. I mean, if you are listening inyour a TPCI employee and we were the change, you know, let usknow. That be a cool little yeah, I don't think it is more,but that's still it's still funny coincident. It's so yeah, right now.Absolutely, absolutely. I mean you look at it just from a bird'seye viewpoint, you say that's that's really good. Like we're very happy thatPokemon is you know, whether or not they listen to their players, they'reat least acknowledging that there should be some interest in the game still despite thiskind of offseason for us, and so just from a bird's eye perspective,it's great. It's a great move. They should not just keep it asthis one of but you know, if imagine if pokemon ran an event likethis on a weekly or bi weekly basis, I mean that would just be sohuge. We look at the limitless things and there are over, youknow, Oneus, five hundred, you know, sometimes like one seventeen hundredviewers of the darn different streams that are going on with a limitless qull.And like, imagine if pokemon put on something like that. I mean they'rethey obviously are doing that. I'm just saying that it. I think it'sgoing to be a big deal for our little our little game, and I'msuper, super happy that it is happening. Yeah, I'm excited to see howthe tournament proper is handled in the client. Yeah, because clearly theyhave some sort of plan, I hope, for how this all play out andthey don't want people to add each other as friends and challenge, butthey obviously don't have the framework for that in place right now. So I'mcurious how that will look. Yeah, well, all said and done again, yeah, the biggest issue that I see here is just the advantage thatthe player who has never fully used, you know, their tickets, they'venever fully used their you know, account...

...to its fullest advantage. How thatplayer has a huge advantage over someone who, you know, like uses their ticketson a regular basis or whatever, you know, just basically depletes themselvesevery time a new set comes out or whatever it may be, right,and so, you know, that is the biggest question for me. Ithink it really limits a lot of players to say, yeah, well,it was all based on tickets, you know, should have known. It'slike, well, Dang it, you know, I had no idea.Would have been nice. I guess they're giving us like a two week leeway, but even then, like, how much pokemon do you have to playin two weeks to even sniff a chance that being able to qualify? Consideringthat there are people with, you know, hundreds, potentially thousands of tickets outthere to spend on these tournaments. So I'm curious to see what theydo. I hope and kind of have a feeling that they will either dosomething like limiting the amount of tournament, like they'll make like a special tournamentfor this like qualifier or whatever, that you can only enter x amount oftimes per day, or that they will give everyone a certain amount of ticketsor, I mean, maybe even abolish the ticket system entirely. I don'tquite know how they'll do it. I hope that they do some kind oflike gated system where it's like okay, you know, you get your threetournament, three tournaments allotment for a day period and then, you know,you play with those and the that's it. So everyone maximum has, you know, one the three tournaments or whatever it is per day and that everyone'skind of on that even playing field there. That's the only thing I worry about. Again, I'm super, super happy that they're doing it. Ijust that would be one suggestion that I would have for Pokemon in order tokeep it fair and balanced and make sure people are just like wasting they're notwasting their life. I don't want it to sound like that, but justlike grinding for something that might not even be attainable. Yeah, and Ithink that leads into a couple of my concerns. So I think I I'mpersonally excited to see how they tackle the challenge of having the actual qualified tournamentonce that happens, you know, in July or August. But as faras like getting there with the tournament tickets, I think is definitely a flaw structure. You know, I personally have quite a few tournament tickets, butthat certainly doesn't go for every players. I know quite a few streamers inparticular might do tournament like weekends or tournament Fridays or however they might like todo it, and I know you do that as well, and so you'reexpending these tickets just as part of your normal day to day and other peoplejust like to play the tournaments, like I do them when the new setsdrop all the time, just to try and get packs, and so it'sweird to me that the tickets went from something that meant basically nothing to somethingthat actually like hat tangible real world value and like being able to qualify forthis tournament and then potentially get a travel award to it. I see which, yeah, has the value up to twenty five hundred dollars. Yeah,yeah, I mean it's just it's just a little unfortunate if it does justend up being that where it's like, okay, you know, the betterplayers are not the better blick. The people with the most tickets have justthe exponential increase in chance to, yeah, earn that award or make it intothis event. And so I I have a feeling that they have somethingplanned. I do hope that they have something planned, but obviously it's alljust conjecture at this point. Yeah, I do hope they have a planfor that, whether they, you know, take away packs or something from thetournaments and just make them free to enter. You know, I personallyam relatively agnostic as to what that end result is, as long as it'smore even playing ground for everyone to participate in. Yeah, because he'd hatefor you'd hate for talented players to be excluded from having the chance to playjust because you know, they didn't use their TCGO account a lot prior tothis or whatever reason. There might be. Refrigerated elements brings up a point sayingthat bots are another worry. I think that I read somewhere that theywere handling any type of botting that might go on, but I still like, how could, how can they truly effectively handle Bot it either? Imean, yeah, I mean there's always going to be especially with the game, I guess, like this, where it's, you know, anyone couldplay it from anywhere. I guess it just, yeah, who knows?Who knows what they're doing behind the scenes? Yeah, it's it's going to betough. I think it's just going to be tough. And I,and I think Sean in our chap rings at a good point as well,where the tournaments are also like a pretty big playing ground for newer players whoare trying to acquire packs and builder up their pokemon account and, you know, the terms are going to be completely overrun for a month. Well,I think again, I think what Pokemon...

...will do. I hope this iswhat they do, but I hope they introduce a new tournament where it's,you know, it's just a standard eight P eight man pod or whatever,but it's like another subcategory of that where it's like a ranked you know,so you could click on ranked tournament and I would just be like what weknow and love, and then you could click ranked and that would, youknow, be hopefully free, but then give you points towards the bigger eventsand then, like, you can only enter it, you know, xnumber of times per day. And so that would be very similar to otherthings that Pokemon does. For instance, Pokemon go has the POKEMON battle leagueand you know, at this point in time, like in this current situation, it is free to enter. That used to be where you had towalk a certain number of, you know, kilometers to get this amount of pointsto enter, but now it's free during this time and this covid time, and so it you know, and you get a certain allotment, youcan do five, I think it's five matches or something. It's like twentyfive matches or whatever it is. There's like a there's a limit every daythat you can do and so yeah, I guess it's twenty five, becauseI think you can do five sets of five. So that would be somethingthat I hope that they implement some kind of gated system where it's free toenter but everybody can only do x number during a day. Right, Idon't know. I guess I don't know, like the full capability of what theycan achieve. I think, yeah, the tournament rep is already something thatexists and is parched out through the existing tournament structure. Sure and Shure, they could probably slap on tournament rep onto an additional tournament, but Ithink they, like existing ones, would still like be a part of itand contribute absolutely. I mean, who knows? Who knows? Again,this is all just kind of what I hope, what I think would makethe most sense for them as a company in terms of catering to both thecasual and competitive player. And we'll see what happens. We'll see and II think regardless, this will be an interesting experience. It'll probably be,in some ways, of learning experience for Pokemon as far as how they wantto handle this moving forward. I hope they take whatever comes out of this, be it good or lessons learned, and continue to apply it into moreonline tournaments because I think generally speaking, even when we have real life events, having an online based to play the game off of is good and healthyand encourages more people to get into the game who might not be able totravel or whatever. My reason they might have to just prefer online. Yeah, absolutely, I hope that it, that it continues to like spur offinto more events. I think a circuit would be so cool. I meanI don't quite know how they do it in other esports, but I thinkI'm sure that there's, you know, many, many, many online circuitslike this and so of you know, a physical card game that is takenonline like this. And so, yeah, I hope they do something with it. I hope it is something that they implement regularly and that this isjust the little seed that turns into a mighty tree. Yeah, yeah,I'm definitely excited to see to see it happen and to see what growth willcome from it. So certainly can't complain right about more pokemon. Right exactly, I they'll. It does make me a little anxious, kind of goingback to your point about like potentially being able to grind or not, likeeven if you have the tickets, like, time is also a resource and youknow, for working adults they might not have the full amount of timeevery day. If if it's truly uncalved right, and it's it's just goingto be interesting. Yeah, so, you know, we'll see. We'llsee. I'm just going to throw my hands up and say we'll see,and a's right. However pans out, I think, especially given the vaguenessof it, I think top to fifty six to play in the main eventis probably fine for now and we'll have to judge it from there whether ornot that was too large or too little. Cool JW, is there anything elsereally that's coming up on your radar that we want to make sure thatwe're hitting up? Well, I was just going to wonder if you weregoing to go for it. I mean, we don't know all the parameters tothis events, but would you try to play in the POKEMON Players Cup? Yeah, I mean I definitely have like the tickets and you know,if I see the opportunity I'll take it. The only thing that and I thinkgenerally I'll try some amount regardless, because I think too hundred fifty sixis enough where if I just grind out the tickets that I have, hopefullyI could make it, but I don't know. I think the problem isthat if everybody has the idea that two hundred and fifty six is large enoughthat they can make it, then we just have a lot of people liketrying really hard and ends up being like a total mess. Yeah, soso the answer gussion. I will probably try. It might not be enough, depending on like how hard other people are going and just based on likethe bandwidth of time that I have in the week to fly right where it'slike primarily on play on like the weekends or something. So right, we'llsee. We'll see how it pans out,...

...but I'll definitely try. Cool.Well, I think that's pretty much everything that I have in terms ofthe weekly news from POKEMON trading card game. So we can, I guess,at this point, open it up to the chat if you have anyquestions or any concerns that you'd like it's to address at this point. Butyeah, I do just want to come back. Refrigerated element says here bouncingbetween streams during quarter three was awesome and I just as as a streamer,I agree. Like it was very fun to kind of see other people streaming. You know, I had a very early day but then I was ableto go into other streamers and support them and it's just it's a very goodand very healthy stream community that we have built here for Pokemon and I thinka lot of the content creators are very supportive of each other, very happythat the other exists and, you know, to bounce ideas off of or toyou know, challenge or to, you know, just grow with,and so that's very cool. I think this community has been really, reallyopen to new players trying to, you know, create content or the veteranshave just been very welcoming. So it's cool. It's really a nice sceneand I think that was best exemplified by, you know, all these limitless weekendswhere there are, you know, five, six, seven, eight, you know, relatively wellknown streamers going at it and drawing decent numbers andUm, you know, supporting each other throughout. So I got a couplequestions here. I'll asking here. Asked what's being underestimate or overlooked going intothe fourth qualifier. I think JW mentioned obstacoon being as one thing that couldpotentially be overlooked right now. I think actually, you two decks aren't ina terrible spot right now either. If you find the right builds for theright Metas, I think there's always the potential for such a verse, outversutile deck to break through. Yeah, I would say obstacleon is my play. That's kind of maybe, I don't know, under the radar, whateveryou want to call it. It certainly wasn't didn't see high play in quarterfor so to that end, I think, you know, that would be adeck that I would look to it also just look at mill again.You know, males is just good. I don't think it quite saw thenumbers of the other qualifiers, like I was saying earlier in the cast.So I don't know that it's necessarily overlooked or underestimated, but it should bea deck that I think will in the fourth qualifier just see higher council playthat it did. So red says out of curiosity. How many tickets doyou guys have already? I don't actually I found out the other day whenI tried to look up my account on the POKEMON website, I found outthat it wasn't linked to my pop ID, so I had to find my otheraccount will try to log in and then, you know, obviously foundout that it had no cards. That's all. I'm in the process oftrying to build that account up, so I have really no tempt. Yeah, I have something like two hundred tickets right now. Yeah, yeah,just a, you know, relatively, I guess standard about for someone whodoesn't play the tournaments the ton but play the ladder, decent amount, right. Yeah, it's kind of it's kind of a weird thing, right,because we just don't know all the players out there that have been farming andwe don't know the system by which you get points towards the you know,invitation. Is it for every tournament that you win? Do you get pointsfor every win in the tournament, thereby you know, saying that system alreadydoes exist, so you probably could like do some cursory like research into it. Okay, yeah, I don't know too much about that, that system. Obviously it's like very it's kind of even hard to find. Like Iwas looking for it the other day and it's like it's hard for me tofind on the pokemon website in any case. Yeah, it's just we don't knowthat the exact parameters and yeah, I don't know. It's just interesting. Like maybe there's one person out there with tenzero tickets and they just grindtheir way simply by just having the most amount. You know, who knows? Who knows? Right? Yeah, knowing Pokemon, I'm pretty sure you'dat least get points per when you probably get points for entering them at all. That's just my hunch. I don't really know. Yeah, my guessit would be like one, two, four, eight, point three.Now there it is. Formula One. Man Says, I have nine hundredand forty tickets. It's a lot of tickets and's a lot of tickets.Bro Better take him to the carnival. Sean also asked earlier what our thoughtsare on the recent products to encourage new...

...players getting into the game, andwe touched a little bit on the Denn a box earlier. I think,generally speaking, that the products that pokemon are coming out with are super cooland it's really awesome to see them encourage players to pick up stuff and haveimmediate access into the game. So I really can't get playing and they hopethey continue to take it like further and further, and I hope is that, you know, deeper down the line that they can make it even moreI guess modern, because I feel like they're doing a good job of thisstuff, but always feels like a little bit behind from when they could havebeen released. Sure it's like you're Max yeah, fact it's tough those it'sa balancing act against like like trying to make a profit off what's already out, versus like right, and you look at it, but I mean youthink like maybe six months, you know where it's like enough to have,you know, a handful of regionals and then you know people will want thecards for and and that's all kind of just, you know, on acompetitive perspective. Really we're not the people that drive the product being made eightor sold, and so, you know, it's kind of we're coming out offrom a bias. But yeah, I mean you'd like to see,yeah, the GERACI's come out. You know, six months are so afterthe thing. Give the products the box, you know it's the sealed box.It's time, and then move it into something like a promo that comesout, you know, at Walmart. Yeah, yeah, I definitely loveto see them do more. But it's way easier for us to say thatas like podcast people as opposed to people like, you know, seeing thebottom line that you know it's right thing. Right, we're not financial analysts forpokmon. So that's right, cool. I think that probably brings us aboutto a close for today. I'm really excited to dig more into thePlayers Cup and what that might entail, and we'll try and give you allupdates as we learn more and throughout the month of June how that's going.So Yeah, look out for that. I'm excited to play and compete andprobably beat all of Y'all in some tournaments. So especially jaw. That's right,it's turn. It record isn't looking too hot right now, so itreally, really so thank you so much all for listening. Be Sure torate and review if you're listening on itunes. It really does help us out andwe will catch you all next week piece. So yeah,.

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