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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 2, Episode 15 · 1 year ago

2-15. Player's Cup Premiere

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

What is up everybody? Welcome back to tag team, the POKEMON trading card games premier podcasting duo. My name is Riley Hulbart and I'm joined by my good, good friend JW Crew Wall Gw how you doing today, Riley? I'm doing awesome. Thank you so much for asking. And by awesome I mean my basement flooded. Yeah, yeah, that yesterday. Well, what happened there? I mean it just there was an abnormal amount of rain. This place doesn't really flood and like this area that we're in, we're a little bit higher and it just doesn't normally fly. Like our landlord said, this was the first time that it's ever flooded and so we just, I just had some things on the ground. I didn't lose too much. We mostly lost things like paper towel, sure you know, miscellaneous food items that we had kept from our last, you know, shopping trip that we had just put on the ground. I did lose a couple of cards. Oh No, and I can't wait to show you what they are in a youtube video that I have hopefully coming out on Friday, I think it'll be. I'll make good use of the ruined cards. I think they're very funny. But you know, I mean all in all, maybe, you know, two or three hundred dollars worth of damage. So sizeable, but not. You know, we're not going bankrupt or anything by any means. So sure it was. It was fine. You know, we have most of our stuff in these big plastic stick tubs. It was only about two or so inches of water. But this actually isn't the first time that my basement has flooded. So it didn't happen in this house, but it happened in a half that I used to live in. It's just not a fun experience. You gotta like air out all your we had a few books and stuff that we're trying to air out and salvage and you know, it's just more an annoyance than anything else. But we're back up and running. Things seem to be a little bit on the, you know, pretty dry side. I guess that's good. So we'll see if there's any kind of mold development or anything that I need to be wary of there, but for now seems okay. I guess that's all you can ask for right. That's right. Coming out on the better side of it. It looks like at least your Tiar tech wasn't rud so that's good. I was so thankful. There might be a chord with my second monitor. That just it's water logged right now. So I'm hoping if I give it, you know, a few days to dry out, but it's like the the court is good because I can just replace it. This TEAV has, like the court can come out, or I guess I second monitor has. It can come out. So I'm not too worried there. If I do have to replace that, I mean it's probably like twenty bucks as opposed to buying a whole new monitor, which right now is you know, they're they're really get price couching right now for monitors because everybody's working from home. So first of you take out a cord. Is Twenty dollars. We're kind of place. Are you getting your chords from? Dude? Well, how much do you think your chord would be worth? You can get like an Amazon basic chord for six dollars. Okay, I thought you were saying I was underpaying. No, that's so much money or most and I'm probably not going to buy. If I'm going to get a chord for this monitor, like I'm probably not just going to get the non name brands right. That doesn't seem so it's a court. Okay, fair enough. Moves like justcity from one place to another, can't well, Riley, you're the part of Guy I know. So if you say it's okay, then share. So. Well, aside from your you know, living space catastrophe, I think there's plenty that we need to talk about this week. Sorry, hopefully none of your ruined cards were Dedenn a's. Although, before we get to any discussion, they did show that really cool Dedenn a like packed trainer Kit box thing. So just want to give a shout out to Pokemon for like keeping an eye on the competitive scene. I think, especially in like a post quarantine world, will need ways to like reinject players into the game, right, because the game will have to be re it livened, and so having like cool products that can make it easily and accessible for players. Yeah, the game is a really good idea. Yeah, no, I mean, I will definitely be taking advantage of those to denny boxes. Yeah, I lost. Let's see, I lost potentially or two six. Oh, no, I mean I as as most of the podcast listeners know, I had made a heavy investment into the Dedann a. So losing them again during especially during this time where we don't actually have live events and we might not have a live event for another year, it's really not a huge loss in my eyes, because the resell value just really wasn't there and I bought them for so cheap and I bought so many of them that I had already sent away. You know, I'm already rolling in my...

...profits, so it's a it hurts, but yeah, you'll see what I mean. I lost a few, I lost a few cards and I'll show those off on Friday. Very cool. Yeah, so just want to go quick shout out to that product. If you're not aware, be sure to check that out. I think it's like thirty bucks retail or something, and you get to to day a's in it, so not too bad. Yeah, Pokmon seems to be going all in on investing on those kind of products, which is awesome, but in the more event focused mindset. First we'll take a look at the past and then we'll kind of jump ahead to the future. So just past weekend was limitless qualifier number three, the first one featuring the rebel clash format and we talked about it a decent amount with the Zul this last week as far as what good choices might be and the metal might look like and end up handing out in a kind of interesting way. And I don't think a lot of people expect I could this. Some people certainly did, but p Kurram was really the start of the show this weekend, taking four of the top eight spots, and not only that, but took first and second in the final standings. Yeah, so he grew on with a fantastic showing this weekend and we'll cephalon really not that far behind, having tons of top thirty, two top eight finishes and, you know, even beyond that, like some older players like Puca out there playing baby will stephal on to great success. So really cool, very awesome to see. Yeah, and it's interesting how the limitless qualifier, as a non pokemon sanctioned event can, you know, allow players like Puka to reinject themselves back into the game right like they don't have to worry about those restrictions for there. That's right ployment. They could just play the game like they love. That's right, that's right, and I mean I'm sure he does enough playing you know, just with his playtesting or whatever, through their company or just even outside of work. Just, you know, it's a game that's very fun. So it's cool to see that he can go back and be competitive and that's that's a that's a big win for the Pokemon community overall. Yeah, I think so too, and it shows really this game, you know, is enjoyable. Throughout his history there's and people who are greats in the past continue to see success in modern day. I think Ross coffin is a really good example of that as well, who has saw a lot of success in these limitless qualifiers. Yahn with his absolutely typical, absolutely off Meta choices. I've I mean I've heard in the past that just, you know, people say since I've been playing, like Oh, the players are better now, and I don't know that that's necessarily the case. I think they're always been really great players. I guess you can make an argument that the average players better now, but even then I don't know that I would necessarily say that's the case. I think that the technology surrounding the players is absolutely better, but to say that the Gameplay of each player is better now then it was back then. You know, when you know, since I don't know Kyle Suka bitch and Ross coughin like started now, I don't necessarily think so, and it's just goes to show they keep seeing success or, I guess, in Kyle's case, he comes back and you see some pretty big success and that just to me demonstrates that they always had what it took to succeed. Yeah, I think so too, and it's cool to see that put into practice. The practice, though, right, because it feels like those arguments always lives so much in theory, you know. Yeah, like talking about, you know, other sports. GRADS, you know it's so hard to compare eras of Sports. Yeah, but you know, in a game like pokemon you actually could potentially like come back and play again, and really that success has been awesome to see. So before we get into the overall results and taking a look at peak ram and some of the other top eight decks, I'd like to just briefly go over, JW, what your experiences is like piloting that dragon pult vmax deck. So yeah, well, it was a brief experience, sure, but I ended up going lasting for only six rounds. You know, I wanted to play it out as long as I could, but just ended up, you know, facing matchups I was overall confident with, but that just didn't go my way. And all credit goes to my opponents who pretty much, and every single loss, played as well as they could have. I don't think that they made it really any miss plays on on their end, and so we beat an obstacle in the first round. That was a good match up petting into the end of the day, I think with Dragon Paul you just have so much snipeability. You can take down Zigzagoon's on the bench before they evolved. You can, you know, take the two prizes. You can. You. I played a Feon, so you're able to push around the obstacleon and obviously the obstruct doesn't really do anything to you because you are an evolution pokemon. So that matchup is generally pretty easy. The only thing you really have to watch out for is the Sable IV and then, to a lesser extent, the voltle HMM gx.

But if you can manage to make it around those then you're in a really good spot. And so I ended up beating the obstacleon player in round one and then I faced an ATP tomb that heading in I felt like Dragon Boll had a good matchup against a night's still stand by that. I don't know that I think that it has as good of a matchup as I did before the tournament, but I do think that it's still very reasonable to win that matchup. I just think in the two times that I played the ATP tomb in the tournament, going second was such a huge barrier to winning and I almost did it, just it didn't quite happen. Didn't quite happen for me. I wasn't able to control their board. Was the biggest issue. So going second really hurt because they were both able to get the turn one attached them to ATP, follow that up with the altar creation and then if they can get the ultra creation before you attack, that's where it becomes really hard because they can just start to pretty much power up whatever they want at will. N Damage almost doesn't really matter because, like, you want to try to get the knockout in on the ATP the turn after they gx, and if you can do that, then you set yourself up pretty well because you can usually like take something down on the bench at Geraci or a spear tomb and then from there you just have to find a way to take the last two prizes, which is pretty easy against the deck like that. Unfortunately, again went second in round two and round three against ATP tomb. I think that was the kind of I don't know, the biggest misplay I guess I had against those two decks where it was just I miss that one turn. I was just back by a turn and I think if I go first then it's a way different story. But you know, it is what it is. Trying to Marny them out of things and it always seemed like my opponents were just drawn. What they need, you know, is like every little thing, and at credit to them and credit to their decks. Round for I played against a bolt on deck. It was a bolt on focused it was like a peek around deck. I think he had maybe one peak around but more focused on energy spinner on the second turn. So he actually opted to go second, even though he won the flip, and then he would energy spinner like two or three times, get that all into the discard with the dedennae or research and then use this are Oor gx attack as opposed to doing something with the shuckle and getting in the energy into the discard that way. So I thought it was very unique take, at least different from what I had been envisioning the bolt on deck to be, and it was. It was just a tough matchups, really hard. When they can one shot, your v Max has to stay in the game. So he was able to take that one and then around five I you know, I always get in this kind of mode where it's like okay, you lose a few and then it just kind of regroup. I have this saying that Kevin Baxter came up with. It's just called riding the wave. You know, a boy riding the way of Riley, where it's like, you know, you go down early and you're hoping to play, you know, kind of all the all the tier three decks, maybe all the players that aren't as high caliber, and you just kind of ride those all the way to the day to or top cut or whatever. Right. So round five I was in that mindset, getting ready to play and you know, he flips over a meat too and I'm like, okay, that's fine, I can handle a meat too, and then he tag calls for the mega sable eye tyrannatar and I'm like all right, that's about it. Yeah, that's it. was able to get the I can't remember he went first or second. I have a feeling he went second, but like on his second turn he just got, you know, the sable light tyrants are in the discard and then he got the Sogal Leo, excuse me, on the field. He got the Socal Leo in the discard, he got the sable eye tyrannuts are on the bench and that was just able to load it up with the soul burst gx attack and then I was just at that point, you know, you just kind of know, you just accept it. I played it out, but it was pretty tough and then I round sick and round six I probably had the bet, the most favorable matchup I could have had in the tournament. I faced a Greens blow cephalon and it just again just didn't really go my way. I can't really remember too many details, but I remember taking a knockout and then marning my opponent and then he just had I don't know, he had whatever was to get up to the seven energy to one shot my v Max and then it was just it was just over from there. So it was a really tough day. I got to say I felt very confident in the deck and immediately after the tournament I kind of thought, okay, this deck, you know, sucks. It doesn't really Ab what it takes to compete at the high level. But then you look at where Dragon Pole finished overall and it seemed like a great choice for the event. Maybe, you know, going back. I don't know if I would necessarily play it again, but I think the results of, you know, to top eight's...

...a top for the third most represented deck. I think that shows that the deck has, you know, what it takes to have the staying power to be a legitimate threat in this format. Yeah, that was going to be kind of my next question is like, what are your feelings coming out of this tournament about Dragon Pole? It seemed going in that you're pretty confident about dragon pole being kind of the deck to play at the moment. It had pretty good matches across the board and I will point like, yeah, I did have a top for and a top eight finish. That's awesome. If you look more throughout the you know, top however many people and one hundred forty nine. I feel like the Dragon Bolts are a little more sparse compared to like like peak ram, which seemed to really be in droves. Do you think Jack of Bolt has the staying powers like a tier one deck, or was it a deck that was represented and maybe lives in that tier two and three realm and, you know, yeah, I mean I think I think tier two would be pretty apt to put. I feel like peak ram is there, has asserted itself, whether or not we agree or not, but it really just asserted itself as that tier one threat and then blow cephalon. I think it's right up there as the deck that can kind of go toetotoe with the big knockouts of Peak Ram. And then I think if you want to play Dragon Paul, you're going to have to do some thing, maybe many things, to counter just the power of Peak Rom. I don't quite know what those are, but a few just ideas are like, you know, you probably have to include a mew, you probably have to include, you know, something that slows down the peak around player. I'm even thinking like power plant would be a good option for the Dragon Pole, which we did see in one of the top eight list had like a single power plant. But I feel like the power plant, you know, needs more testing, obviously, but could neuter the peak around deck enough to help you kind of get ahead in the game. Just the way that you build your deck is going to have to be focused around how to beat peak aroum. I don't think there's a really like catch all answer. I think you're going to have to make multiple decisions to try to counter the many different things that Pekuran can do. I think it is possible, but it's tough and you have to really, yeah, construct your deck in a way to handle that matchup, which it doesn't. You know, you can construct your deck in a certain way to try to handle peak around, but it's by no means an auto win, nowhere close really. I would still even say, you know, mew heavy power plant counts and it's probably still unfavorable, and so it's just a tough matchup. You're going to have to understand that and, you know, hope that the metagame at large kind of cycles on itself to beat Pe Kurrum. Yeah, high praise for Pe Kuram. So looking at your results and looking at how the tournament overall panned out, it doesn't sound like Dragon Pul would really be the deck that you'd take if you could play it over again, you know, wiping your matchups clean and saying you got to play a whole new version of this tournament. Sure, what would you take with the knowledge that you have now? WOULD BE P from? I mean it probably be Pek around, like that's a deck that I did play in the past, like I've won, you know, cups with it, and so it's not a deck that I have like a personal biased against. I just feel like it's I don't quite know how the peak ram players beat the consistently ATP players. I feel like that matchup is still favorite for ATP again, I don't know the matchup in and out with the new cards. So you know it, maybe it's different. Maybe it's that much different that now peak ram is just fast enough that it can overcome the you know, speed and power of the ATPSATION deck. But yeah, you know that that's I just don't know. I would say that if I were to play it over again, peak around would be a choice. ATPSATION was my second choice to drag a poult and I would feel very comfortable playing atpzation. Yeah, atpsation I feel like was kind of an underperformer and I don't know if that was lack of representation from top level players or, you know, lack of foothold in this format. Do you think ATPS Ahan is like a top tier contender, still moving forward? I don't see why I wouldn't be. It didn't really lose that much, it didn't gain too much. So it just you just have to look at the threads surrounding it. And baby will cephalon was never a matchup that I felt UN favored against, and I think a lot of people would disagree with that because you do have I think if they have the be springer, it's pretty bad. You do have the springer. If they get the be springer, then yeah, it's pretty tough to deal with. I've just often found that Marnie is a really huge swing in the matchup and I think yes, if you have a bill cephalon against an adpzation that plays maybe to Marnie and can't hit them on the turns that they need to, then sure you're going to struggle. It could have been that with the scoop up nets it's that much more consistent. I do find the consistency bump of baby Blie Cephalon to be, you know, noticeably higher. So...

...it could just be that with the scoop up nets that you're, you know, able to recycle the GERACIS and do multiple every turn, that it just takes it over the edge against ATP Zation. And so if that's the case, baby bill cephalon might just edge out ATP from the Meta entirely and then it becomes kind of this weird peak Rom Blis Cephalon and then, you know, I don't really even know where to go from there. And friends. Yeah, it friends right. Yeah. So I think we talked about it a lot. We just have to dive in a peak around now at this point. So Peak Rom. I feel like we didn't give really attention to deserve last week. I think we probably just weren't really on board with how good the deck potentially was. In hindsight, I think there's plenty of things that we can point out that maybe are, I don't want to say obvious, but that we can say like yeah, this is a clear strong point of the deck. I think the first and most, you know, visibly noticeable one is going to be the speed lightning energy. The grease energy is kind of I always think of the the grease song when I hear some lightning. But you know, I drawing two cards off an attachment for free is is nuts and I think I want to say a soul is that this on on the cast either, that it would be a crazy card. Even if it wasn't like ever played, you know, would still be a car that was worthy of ourmembering as a powerful card. Right, and I think that holds true, especially the fact is a colored energy. You know, if it was a colorless energy, maybe, but this is an actual colored energy. Sure, you know it's that energy. You can accelerate the full blitz, but you know, the effect of it is pretty noticeable. And I pek Ram is a deck that, you know, in my experience, relies on drawing a lot of cards and having long combos and in its terms. And you know, what better way to facilitate that than drawing extra cards by attaching your energy, which you're already going to do anyway? Sure, yeah, it's just it's so interesting how off so many American content creators were about Pe Kurram. I just can't really think of anyone that I know that said that, you know from from the states, that said that peak rom was the play for the tournament it's just it just goes to show, like, you know, for every ralllet, eggs, vile plume deck that somebody comes up with, there's you know, we think that peek aroma is bad. You know, it just that happens. You swing and Miss Sometimes. You know, even Barry Bonds strikes out. You know, it's just it's going to happen when you make opinions, and so just be better next time. It really was a strong deck and a strong choice. I've played a lot of peak around sense and I'm starting to see why it was played. It's basically, like you know, the speed lightning is just a really nice little card to kind of smooth out those weird hands. The peak around can sometimes get where it's like, do I want to get rid of this hand with like a dedenn A, or do I want to save it because I have e powers in hand? And there are a lot of times where like speed lightning can draw you that one or two cars that you need to maybe solve the puzzle of your hand where you know you just needed that one extra e power and then it allows you to not have to play the Dana to e power, the quick ball, the quick ball, yeah, exactly exactly I need. So I'm kind of seeing that now where it's like solving these little issues of you were just so reliant on the denny a lot of times with peak arom you were having to, you know, overbench. You're just benching yourself out because you're needed. You know, a Danny turn one, didna turned to and like the Denny turn three, potentially to like get all the things you needed, but at this point you're pretty much guarantee yourself a full blitz, you know, at the very least turn to I did like the list that had the Goosemahalla, which is what I would really recommend. That was the list that I was playing, you know, just before the season shut down, I think right, and so I really enjoy being able to tag call and get the Goosemahala, which is almost a guaranteed you almost a guaranteed full blitz if you have the stadium and deck so right. It's cool. I like figure. I'M A lot. I think it really is helped by the speed lightning and I didn't give that card enough credit. Yeah, and I think bouncing off gooseman hollow, the speed lightning really really amps up the power of Gooseman hollow because, in my opinion it felt kind of, I don't want to say like awful, but it felt a little crappy to use gooseman hollow before it totatch like a unit energy or something. Yeah, yeah, it's just like so now you're you're discarding like so many cards, you know, because your Goosemahala is also your supporter, and you just car two with their cards and you get a thunder mountain and an energy and maybe, Ye know tool or something, some displanees tool like a escateboard or a big arm, and that's fine. But what you get his feedlighting energy and you immediately recover the card economy that you spent on Goozmahalad. That to me is like an obvious, like strong synergy that would work rill in any card game, right, like where you were able to refresh, refreshing, get...

...that economy going. That's something that like fundamentally is good in the guard game. Yeah, right, right. And taking that a step further, I think the other big thing, and I'm sure you're as well that push Pekerron over, is the Bolton v you know, the top of cocoa fantasy was there and it. Top Coco was good, yeah, but I think both unders is better. It does everything that type of Coco kind of want to do, but better. Yeah, the first attack, tap of COCO's first attack, is cool, but I think both on's actually like facilitates the goal of the deck to get energy onto the board, whereas tap of cocoa, you know drue energy cards. It's fine. It did a little damage to poke down GERACI's and stuff, right, e powers, which is also fine. But electrify like actively accelerates your board state. Right. It can take you from just not really doing much of anything to being very threatening, like and you didn't even have to play a support or you didn't have the player to denny or anything like that. You go from one turn not really having too much to the next turn, you know threatening the heavy numbers of Tag Bolter full bullets, right, and that's that's just referring to electrify, whereas the actual reason Bolton is good as the second attack. Right. So I think there's a couple reasons that maybe this didn't get the attention it deserved. I think the first part of it is I don't think people were giving enough attention to the fact it was only to energy on its you priser. So you know, tap of Coco did have that three energy investment for the two hundred damage. And two hundred damage was good and not as good now, I don't think, rentedly with all the v Max has, but it was good for the time. But it was a three energy investment, which was already one thing. So you now and it was. You know, it's two hundred damage. You couldn't attack again. Bolton has an array of good things going for it, right, it has two energy attack. It's flexible in its use. You can use it on Gerrachi's and stuff. But even beyond that, like you can keep attacking with it over and over again. It's a prize attacker. It's basically you're only two prize attacker that can attack repeatedly in the peak around decks history, right, you know, like even Safto's the one prize attacker. You had to constantly setch it out zero. You have to move around top of Coco, you have to move at this thing. You just stand up there and hit you for three hundred three turns in a row if it wants to. Yep. So I think Volton was just a crazy could guard and I definitely did not think it would be as good as it yeah, I just yeah, and your you go there and you say like why didn't we think that it would be a good deck? And I think this is where kind of like yeah, the experience maybe hurt, you know, this is where kind of our testing in the past hurt our current perceptions. I wouldn't say that that's often the case, but I would say that in this in this instance, it definitely was where Peak Aram was just kind of not held in high regard and it should have been. And then it's like hindsight is two thousand and twenty, because now our eyes have been opened. Then we say oh, yes, well, of course right. Should have had, you know, the speed lightning, of course you know helps the deck in a measurable amounts, and the Bolts and is just an insane guard. And then you pair them together with, you know, Pe k Rams gx attack and that just makes everything amazing. And so we should have seen that and we just didn't, because peak ram wasn't really the deck of last format. It arguably, yeah, fit in that like tier two area. I think last format just couldn't really get over the hump of ATP kind of figured. Okay, ATP is going to stay around. So that's where does that leave be gram and yeah, experience heard us on this call, I think so. Yeah, and you know, even looking deeper into it, it's so hard to say. Like you know, it's hard to quantifiably say. Like peak ram struggled before with atps option. Why wouldn't it continue to struggle in this Meta if the medic and keep up with ATPS otion more than it could previously? Yeah, you know, that's a tough hurdle to overcome if you're already kind of have a bias against Speaker Ram, especially like myself. Right, I'm not a huge I have not historically been a huge pee round fan, but I think really the volt on is, I think, what push it over. You know, you can so aggressively do so much damage consistently, turn after turn, and you have the speed lightning as well to get those combos off quicker. And I think actually in the past speak Rom did hang in the Meta. I just had to get like the turn one and two foldless and wasn't good enough at doing that right and so, but now it's actually pretty good at doing it. Yeah, even with any have these juice UFF engines, like no more, no more vultner man, like, what an awful feeling card to use. I mean again, it just goes back to like the difference that the difference that drawing two cards off an energy attacher can make, because those two cards can be just the exact cards that you needed to you know. Again we come...

...back to like quick ball. That's such a huge thing, getting to dig an extra two cards to find that quick ball. And Quick Ball could be Tampa Coco. Quick Ball could be Dedenne, you know, quickly wall could be I don't know, I guess that Peak Ram or whatever that you need, whatever it is, it's just like those extra two cards really do make a Rara ldags. We just I don't know, I failed to see it. And Yeah, yeah, we'll take the L for sure, we'll take noll. Take that. I'll chat. Yeah, I think we talked a lot about maybe will stuff on honestly, and I feel like we kind of had a good sense that baby self one would be good going into suspense. It's personally the deck that I probably would have played if I had played at little squall fur three. So it doesn't surprise me to see that it did well. I think, and it doesn't surprise me, I guess, either, that it was shown in such numbers. Yeah, generally been a pretty popular deck and it seemed to have a good foothold in the meadow. So I think we were pretty I think we're pretty right about baby will cephalon. I think it is just a fine, you know, it's a better than fine that gets. It's a tier one deck right now and I think that it will change and how it's built as well. I do think like be springer is so huge so important that I think that we will see potentially an increased count. Maybe people will I know that adventure bag is a pretty popular card right now, but I could just see people going cutting the adventure bag and just playing to be springer to basically ensure that you have the be springer on the turn that you need it for the matchups that you need it, specifically ATP and PIA Kurram, if they decide to go down the route of attacking with the P Kuram first. And so I think that will change. You know, you'll probably see me added into Blis Cephalon and I think with changes like that that just are specifically focused for peak ram. You know, we could even see next week we could be talking about how, just you know, blue cephalon is easily the best deck because it can handle peak ram and also knock out the V Max's. Yeah, yeah, let's cepon definitely has a good foothold in it. I don't really see it losing it. The only thing I think that really threatens less cephalon is these mill decks that are kind of still out there off to the side. And you know, I feel like those decks don't have a great pikerum or Jagg of puled match up, at least at the drag of bals playing Malamar Brow. But then where they struggle, or where they really shine rather, is against stuff like baby will cephalon or Mewtwo, where they can just really lay on the pressure. Even against the atps options, they can really put on some pressure unless they play energy switch to prevent them from getting off that gx attack and closing out the game. So do you have any extra thoughts on the mill decks? I feel like they kind of have a very similar niche to the one they've are already occupied. Yeah, you know, they're still looming waiting for this is shike. I feel like, yeah, exactly. I think they're always going to be there. They're always going to be a part of at least the cards for mill right now are just so insanely broken that it's always going to be a threat at some level. Yeah, we didn't really see too much of it. You know, I would say in this qualifiers supposed to qualifiers in the past and I don't know, do I expect that trying to continue? Maybe not. Again, as you're saying, if the Meta continually, you know, trendsit favorably towards baby blill Cephalon, then perhaps it makes more sense than mill would come, you know, in fuller force. But that just remains me seeing. I can't really say that I feel one way or the other necessarily on that because again, you do say it takes a bad dragon pall matchup. It is pretty bad. I mean even with the hammers and stuff like that, it's really bad. It's hard to deny the dragon pull player the two attachments at some point in the game, and so if they get the two attachments, I mean it can really snowball out of control from there. So Dragon pults bad matchup. The thing is like the the metagame actually feels pretty feels pretty good for dragon pulled if they can find a way to beat peak ram, because I feel that dragon poult has that positive matchup against Blill Cephalon, despite my results, but it had that positive match up against bill cephalon because you're threatening to knock out their pivot and their main attacker that they just weldered to. So it gets really funky in the blow cephalon matchup with dragon pult and so I feel like Dragon Bolt is very well positioned generally speaking, aside from the side from P Kuron. The Pak on matchups tough though, for sure. So do you see any counterdeckx potentially rising up? Do you think people will start queuing up with their failing sticks? I was just gonna say failings. To me there are two that are on my radar and the first one is the failing stage. That's a little bit more memi of a deck. You know, it's a it's a concept that's like, you know, it's just handed to you by Pokemon. Right. They're like, okay, but there's the bad thing. It builds itself, you know. And so so I that that that is very potent. I think a gainst, particularly the V Max's that have a little bit...

...of power crept damage output in a way. You know, we're like the Dragon Paul Deck. Does you know? It does one hundred and eighty damage, but it's thirty to the active so that, you know, can be tanked by a failing. So I think in things like in telly on right it has just kind of that that nowdered second attack where it's like sixty or a hundred and sixty to the active. Okay, so you're if you have your full squat out, you know you're surviving a hit. So I has a decent matchup against the v Max has and obviously has a should have a pretty good match against peak gram with everything being fighting week. And so where it gets into trouble is things like, yeah, Baby Bill Cephalon that can just one shot at things like a tpzation that take two prizes for every Little Phalanx, every attacker that you have. So that's where it gets a little dicey. But again, if the Meta shifts correctly, then failings could be a really good option. The other thing I was thinking about that I actually really enjoy myself. That, I think is a very good deck that only really struggles with consistency problems. Is Glaryan obstacle and then Galaryan obstacon. Is Super, super good deck right now. A little bit slept on and I think a lot more players should be playing it. It suffers to consistency, but if it can overcome that, if you can get the roses at the right time, if it can, you know, stave off the peak gram gx attack, then it's in a really good spot. I think the deck is solid, the concept is really, really good and it beats a lot of the Meta game right now. Yeah, we did see a couple players piloted to some moderate success at the tournament. So yeah, Dun's definitely a deck to lookout for right it's a pretty solid analysis of what we saw from qualifier three. I'm excited to see how them of evolves in shapes from here. It seems like it's kind of like you were talking about the last week, where you know now we have the first results in the formats kind of have to shape itself around this as where it's just how it works out. So that's I'm excited to see what rises up to peak ram if anything is able to or blown, since it be just totally dominant. Maybe milk makes a rise. You know, it's hard to say, but I think it's going to be interesting to watch Pan I think the Meta is expansive right now and hopefully it stays that way absolutely, you know, especially compared to the last set, where it was anything but expansive. Okay, so the next thing I think we have to talk about, and especially given our interview with the zool is pokemon is is doing this qualifier thing of their own where they're having players compete in these tournaments for a tournament rep and eventually go to a larger Players Cup tournament. You know, is a little griped and griped about pokemon not having real tournament support and the client and literally the day that we upload the video they actually announced something. So I don't know, they just listened and we're peeved off that we had talked about this. Doubt that, I think three times on the cast, but that'd be pretty cool. I mean, if you are listening in your a TPCI employee and we were the change, you know, let us know. That be a cool little yeah, I don't think it is more, but that's still it's still funny coincident. It's so yeah, right now. Absolutely, absolutely. I mean you look at it just from a bird's eye viewpoint, you say that's that's really good. Like we're very happy that Pokemon is you know, whether or not they listen to their players, they're at least acknowledging that there should be some interest in the game still despite this kind of offseason for us, and so just from a bird's eye perspective, it's great. It's a great move. They should not just keep it as this one of but you know, if imagine if pokemon ran an event like this on a weekly or bi weekly basis, I mean that would just be so huge. We look at the limitless things and there are over, you know, Oneus, five hundred, you know, sometimes like one seventeen hundred viewers of the darn different streams that are going on with a limitless qull. And like, imagine if pokemon put on something like that. I mean they're they obviously are doing that. I'm just saying that it. I think it's going to be a big deal for our little our little game, and I'm super, super happy that it is happening. Yeah, I'm excited to see how the tournament proper is handled in the client. Yeah, because clearly they have some sort of plan, I hope, for how this all play out and they don't want people to add each other as friends and challenge, but they obviously don't have the framework for that in place right now. So I'm curious how that will look. Yeah, well, all said and done again, yeah, the biggest issue that I see here is just the advantage that the player who has never fully used, you know, their tickets, they've never fully used their you know, account...

...to its fullest advantage. How that player has a huge advantage over someone who, you know, like uses their tickets on a regular basis or whatever, you know, just basically depletes themselves every time a new set comes out or whatever it may be, right, and so, you know, that is the biggest question for me. I think it really limits a lot of players to say, yeah, well, it was all based on tickets, you know, should have known. It's like, well, Dang it, you know, I had no idea. Would have been nice. I guess they're giving us like a two week leeway, but even then, like, how much pokemon do you have to play in two weeks to even sniff a chance that being able to qualify? Considering that there are people with, you know, hundreds, potentially thousands of tickets out there to spend on these tournaments. So I'm curious to see what they do. I hope and kind of have a feeling that they will either do something like limiting the amount of tournament, like they'll make like a special tournament for this like qualifier or whatever, that you can only enter x amount of times per day, or that they will give everyone a certain amount of tickets or, I mean, maybe even abolish the ticket system entirely. I don't quite know how they'll do it. I hope that they do some kind of like gated system where it's like okay, you know, you get your three tournament, three tournaments allotment for a day period and then, you know, you play with those and the that's it. So everyone maximum has, you know, one the three tournaments or whatever it is per day and that everyone's kind of on that even playing field there. That's the only thing I worry about. Again, I'm super, super happy that they're doing it. I just that would be one suggestion that I would have for Pokemon in order to keep it fair and balanced and make sure people are just like wasting they're not wasting their life. I don't want it to sound like that, but just like grinding for something that might not even be attainable. Yeah, and I think that leads into a couple of my concerns. So I think I I'm personally excited to see how they tackle the challenge of having the actual qualified tournament once that happens, you know, in July or August. But as far as like getting there with the tournament tickets, I think is definitely a flaw structure. You know, I personally have quite a few tournament tickets, but that certainly doesn't go for every players. I know quite a few streamers in particular might do tournament like weekends or tournament Fridays or however they might like to do it, and I know you do that as well, and so you're expending these tickets just as part of your normal day to day and other people just like to play the tournaments, like I do them when the new sets drop all the time, just to try and get packs, and so it's weird to me that the tickets went from something that meant basically nothing to something that actually like hat tangible real world value and like being able to qualify for this tournament and then potentially get a travel award to it. I see which, yeah, has the value up to twenty five hundred dollars. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's just it's just a little unfortunate if it does just end up being that where it's like, okay, you know, the better players are not the better blick. The people with the most tickets have just the exponential increase in chance to, yeah, earn that award or make it into this event. And so I I have a feeling that they have something planned. I do hope that they have something planned, but obviously it's all just conjecture at this point. Yeah, I do hope they have a plan for that, whether they, you know, take away packs or something from the tournaments and just make them free to enter. You know, I personally am relatively agnostic as to what that end result is, as long as it's more even playing ground for everyone to participate in. Yeah, because he'd hate for you'd hate for talented players to be excluded from having the chance to play just because you know, they didn't use their TCGO account a lot prior to this or whatever reason. There might be. Refrigerated elements brings up a point saying that bots are another worry. I think that I read somewhere that they were handling any type of botting that might go on, but I still like, how could, how can they truly effectively handle Bot it either? I mean, yeah, I mean there's always going to be especially with the game, I guess, like this, where it's, you know, anyone could play it from anywhere. I guess it just, yeah, who knows? Who knows what they're doing behind the scenes? Yeah, it's it's going to be tough. I think it's just going to be tough. And I, and I think Sean in our chap rings at a good point as well, where the tournaments are also like a pretty big playing ground for newer players who are trying to acquire packs and builder up their pokemon account and, you know, the terms are going to be completely overrun for a month. Well, I think again, I think what Pokemon...

...will do. I hope this is what they do, but I hope they introduce a new tournament where it's, you know, it's just a standard eight P eight man pod or whatever, but it's like another subcategory of that where it's like a ranked you know, so you could click on ranked tournament and I would just be like what we know and love, and then you could click ranked and that would, you know, be hopefully free, but then give you points towards the bigger events and then, like, you can only enter it, you know, x number of times per day. And so that would be very similar to other things that Pokemon does. For instance, Pokemon go has the POKEMON battle league and you know, at this point in time, like in this current situation, it is free to enter. That used to be where you had to walk a certain number of, you know, kilometers to get this amount of points to enter, but now it's free during this time and this covid time, and so it you know, and you get a certain allotment, you can do five, I think it's five matches or something. It's like twenty five matches or whatever it is. There's like a there's a limit every day that you can do and so yeah, I guess it's twenty five, because I think you can do five sets of five. So that would be something that I hope that they implement some kind of gated system where it's free to enter but everybody can only do x number during a day. Right, I don't know. I guess I don't know, like the full capability of what they can achieve. I think, yeah, the tournament rep is already something that exists and is parched out through the existing tournament structure. Sure and Shure, they could probably slap on tournament rep onto an additional tournament, but I think they, like existing ones, would still like be a part of it and contribute absolutely. I mean, who knows? Who knows? Again, this is all just kind of what I hope, what I think would make the most sense for them as a company in terms of catering to both the casual and competitive player. And we'll see what happens. We'll see and I I think regardless, this will be an interesting experience. It'll probably be, in some ways, of learning experience for Pokemon as far as how they want to handle this moving forward. I hope they take whatever comes out of this, be it good or lessons learned, and continue to apply it into more online tournaments because I think generally speaking, even when we have real life events, having an online based to play the game off of is good and healthy and encourages more people to get into the game who might not be able to travel or whatever. My reason they might have to just prefer online. Yeah, absolutely, I hope that it, that it continues to like spur off into more events. I think a circuit would be so cool. I mean I don't quite know how they do it in other esports, but I think I'm sure that there's, you know, many, many, many online circuits like this and so of you know, a physical card game that is taken online like this. And so, yeah, I hope they do something with it. I hope it is something that they implement regularly and that this is just the little seed that turns into a mighty tree. Yeah, yeah, I'm definitely excited to see to see it happen and to see what growth will come from it. So certainly can't complain right about more pokemon. Right exactly, I they'll. It does make me a little anxious, kind of going back to your point about like potentially being able to grind or not, like even if you have the tickets, like, time is also a resource and you know, for working adults they might not have the full amount of time every day. If if it's truly uncalved right, and it's it's just going to be interesting. Yeah, so, you know, we'll see. We'll see. I'm just going to throw my hands up and say we'll see, and a's right. However pans out, I think, especially given the vagueness of it, I think top to fifty six to play in the main event is probably fine for now and we'll have to judge it from there whether or not that was too large or too little. Cool JW, is there anything else really that's coming up on your radar that we want to make sure that we're hitting up? Well, I was just going to wonder if you were going to go for it. I mean, we don't know all the parameters to this events, but would you try to play in the POKEMON Players Cup? Yeah, I mean I definitely have like the tickets and you know, if I see the opportunity I'll take it. The only thing that and I think generally I'll try some amount regardless, because I think too hundred fifty six is enough where if I just grind out the tickets that I have, hopefully I could make it, but I don't know. I think the problem is that if everybody has the idea that two hundred and fifty six is large enough that they can make it, then we just have a lot of people like trying really hard and ends up being like a total mess. Yeah, so so the answer gussion. I will probably try. It might not be enough, depending on like how hard other people are going and just based on like the bandwidth of time that I have in the week to fly right where it's like primarily on play on like the weekends or something. So right, we'll see. We'll see how it pans out,...

...but I'll definitely try. Cool. Well, I think that's pretty much everything that I have in terms of the weekly news from POKEMON trading card game. So we can, I guess, at this point, open it up to the chat if you have any questions or any concerns that you'd like it's to address at this point. But yeah, I do just want to come back. Refrigerated element says here bouncing between streams during quarter three was awesome and I just as as a streamer, I agree. Like it was very fun to kind of see other people streaming. You know, I had a very early day but then I was able to go into other streamers and support them and it's just it's a very good and very healthy stream community that we have built here for Pokemon and I think a lot of the content creators are very supportive of each other, very happy that the other exists and, you know, to bounce ideas off of or to you know, challenge or to, you know, just grow with, and so that's very cool. I think this community has been really, really open to new players trying to, you know, create content or the veterans have just been very welcoming. So it's cool. It's really a nice scene and I think that was best exemplified by, you know, all these limitless weekends where there are, you know, five, six, seven, eight, you know, relatively wellknown streamers going at it and drawing decent numbers and Um, you know, supporting each other throughout. So I got a couple questions here. I'll asking here. Asked what's being underestimate or overlooked going into the fourth qualifier. I think JW mentioned obstacoon being as one thing that could potentially be overlooked right now. I think actually, you two decks aren't in a terrible spot right now either. If you find the right builds for the right Metas, I think there's always the potential for such a verse, out versutile deck to break through. Yeah, I would say obstacleon is my play. That's kind of maybe, I don't know, under the radar, whatever you want to call it. It certainly wasn't didn't see high play in quarter for so to that end, I think, you know, that would be a deck that I would look to it also just look at mill again. You know, males is just good. I don't think it quite saw the numbers of the other qualifiers, like I was saying earlier in the cast. So I don't know that it's necessarily overlooked or underestimated, but it should be a deck that I think will in the fourth qualifier just see higher council play that it did. So red says out of curiosity. How many tickets do you guys have already? I don't actually I found out the other day when I tried to look up my account on the POKEMON website, I found out that it wasn't linked to my pop ID, so I had to find my other account will try to log in and then, you know, obviously found out that it had no cards. That's all. I'm in the process of trying to build that account up, so I have really no tempt. Yeah, I have something like two hundred tickets right now. Yeah, yeah, just a, you know, relatively, I guess standard about for someone who doesn't play the tournaments the ton but play the ladder, decent amount, right. Yeah, it's kind of it's kind of a weird thing, right, because we just don't know all the players out there that have been farming and we don't know the system by which you get points towards the you know, invitation. Is it for every tournament that you win? Do you get points for every win in the tournament, thereby you know, saying that system already does exist, so you probably could like do some cursory like research into it. Okay, yeah, I don't know too much about that, that system. Obviously it's like very it's kind of even hard to find. Like I was looking for it the other day and it's like it's hard for me to find on the pokemon website in any case. Yeah, it's just we don't know that the exact parameters and yeah, I don't know. It's just interesting. Like maybe there's one person out there with tenzero tickets and they just grind their way simply by just having the most amount. You know, who knows? Who knows? Right? Yeah, knowing Pokemon, I'm pretty sure you'd at least get points per when you probably get points for entering them at all. That's just my hunch. I don't really know. Yeah, my guess it would be like one, two, four, eight, point three. Now there it is. Formula One. Man Says, I have nine hundred and forty tickets. It's a lot of tickets and's a lot of tickets. Bro Better take him to the carnival. Sean also asked earlier what our thoughts are on the recent products to encourage new...

...players getting into the game, and we touched a little bit on the Denn a box earlier. I think, generally speaking, that the products that pokemon are coming out with are super cool and it's really awesome to see them encourage players to pick up stuff and have immediate access into the game. So I really can't get playing and they hope they continue to take it like further and further, and I hope is that, you know, deeper down the line that they can make it even more I guess modern, because I feel like they're doing a good job of this stuff, but always feels like a little bit behind from when they could have been released. Sure it's like you're Max yeah, fact it's tough those it's a balancing act against like like trying to make a profit off what's already out, versus like right, and you look at it, but I mean you think like maybe six months, you know where it's like enough to have, you know, a handful of regionals and then you know people will want the cards for and and that's all kind of just, you know, on a competitive perspective. Really we're not the people that drive the product being made eight or sold, and so, you know, it's kind of we're coming out of from a bias. But yeah, I mean you'd like to see, yeah, the GERACI's come out. You know, six months are so after the thing. Give the products the box, you know it's the sealed box. It's time, and then move it into something like a promo that comes out, you know, at Walmart. Yeah, yeah, I definitely love to see them do more. But it's way easier for us to say that as like podcast people as opposed to people like, you know, seeing the bottom line that you know it's right thing. Right, we're not financial analysts for pokmon. So that's right, cool. I think that probably brings us about to a close for today. I'm really excited to dig more into the Players Cup and what that might entail, and we'll try and give you all updates as we learn more and throughout the month of June how that's going. So Yeah, look out for that. I'm excited to play and compete and probably beat all of Y'all in some tournaments. So especially jaw. That's right, it's turn. It record isn't looking too hot right now, so it really, really so thank you so much all for listening. Be Sure to rate and review if you're listening on itunes. It really does help us out and we will catch you all next week piece. So yeah,.

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