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Season 2, Episode 16 · 1 year ago

2-16. The Final Qualifier

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are here, and so is the final Limitless Series qualifier! Pikarom remains a top contender, but what do JW and Riley think about the meta at large? Only one way to find out.

What's up, everybody welcome back totag team, the POKEMON trading card games, fror Mour, podcasting duo. Myname is Ryly Holbert, I'm joined by my good good friend, JW creewall JW, howyou doing this week, Raly I'm doing great. How are you I'm doing real swellman? I was just telling you earlier. I ended up taking one of thoseaccidental naps on the couch and I woke up about an hour ago and when I lookedat my phone I thought it was like seven thirty in the morning and if you've ever, I'm sure you'V hadthat moment right, I'm sure everyone listening as to where they wake up froma nap and they think it's the next day. But it's not NHA moment of this purepanic. That's in. I was there for a little mit O, that's hilarious. My wife,I mean Ann actually had kind of a similar thing. Today I was walkingupstairs. I was working on the computer. She 's like okay, I'm just going to goto bed for like ten minutes, twenty minutes or whatever I walk up and she'slike. U She wakes, what time is it Wasit Cus? She had a lesson to teach Ithree minutes and Yeah N W. I think you guys probably are the kindred spiritsof t e the sweet today, because she had whats not like it's a very similarsituation. Yeah it turns out after a long day of work, just like taking thetaking the blanket to the couch is just a Amesipe for Dom Yep Yep, and it was kind of funny, though I feltlike my day had too much time in it. Today I mean I was doing so manydifferent things like I kept busy, but it's like I transition to all thesedifferent things. I'm writing something. I am doing a project for my nephew where we'rebuilding a bike so well we're not building it, but we have it. So it's awooden bike and we're sanding it down Gosh and then ere going to repaint itand get all the sprewce and stuff all shiny like and then just I don't know. I was working ondifferenthing on a coaching session today I was doing a little bit oftesting. I was doing some read stuff and practicing, and so I was just likedoing a lot and cooking and yeah. It was just a lot of things and they allkind of I don't know. I just felt like I had a lot of time today for somereason. I really like those kind of days whereyou like, I don't know you get a chance to likedo a lot of different things, you're always kind of moving. Those are thedays I like at work. This is e days. I like it like my own time. It just feelslike you're getting a lot DU. You know yeah and I was I was awesome- have to show off that bike.When it's finished, I I'm curious O end up. Looking like it's going to be fresh,we went to pick out the paint tonight at Los and we got a nice. You know coolmint. I think it's called e mermaids whisper. Oh Wow, somethinglike this. I can't remember exact. My wife is yelling at me what the name was,but I can't hear her so mermane whisper, that's a pretty goodname for Coloran. That's correct: IT'S PRETTY GOOD! It's a nice littlecolor! We were deciding between that and refresh, but werefresh was a littletoo harsh, and so the mermaids whisper was like fanciful without beingchildlike sure, fanceful ut, some dude yeah, but sophisticated yeah, very niceigt. No, I that's how I know I'm really old is like. I can talk about colors.We went to the paint section yeah at lows and I had very strong opinionsabout one hue of MIT versus the other yeah once thewhat's, the colors section of the HOMEBEPO and the loaves stoffs beeing,just a place where you look at spatshes for fun and you have actual opinions onthem, as probably when you graduated to being an adult made me feel somethingyeah als some kind of way. THAT'S RIGHT COOL!Well, you know. I think we can't ignore this upcoming weekend. Is the limitlessqualifir number? Four, the last one before their actual, you knowtournament series proper? That's! I is going to be a really exciting time.It's the second one in the rebel clash format, and you know I think a lot of people areexcitid to see how the Meta has been taken from the infancy stages. It wasin the first limites quaifier in this formit and where it'll evolve cominginto this next one ture. So I think we just have to start from the top right,like the very first contender that we think of when we think of this formathas to be pekrum. You know it went from nobody really talking about it. esidesome light mentions into the deck the finest format, and I don't think it'struly changed in that regard. I think it's still incredibly strong.Incredibly fast. It just puts a lot of pressure on really quickly and doesexactly what Pikarom is always fantasized about doing so JB. Let'sstart with that. What are your thoughts...

...on Pekerom heading into this event? Doyou like it? Do you think that it's going to be too heavily represented andtherefore countered? Is there some that sort of con toplaying it h, t what is the current state? Well and that's? The thing islike yes, I do agree that it will have a target on its back. You know if welook at the amount of Falin steks that were in quarter one or qualifier three,as opposed to qualifier for like. I definitely think there will be anincrease in that kind of direct counter to Peepram, like just just going offwof that very basic stat. But additionally, I think you will see moredecks just trying to accommodate for Pekram in some way, even like a softersoft counter that they maybe didn't play otherwise, something like juststadiums that are good interactions with Pikram, I'm thinking of chaoticswell power, plant and Shrina punishment. All kind of having thisyeah, the Ol counterplay, with what Pekrom is trying to do all in their ownrespect, good against what Pekaram is trying to do, and so you know you'llsee, probably some of that things like wabafits might make their way into somedecks as a soft counter to Pekaram. And so I think, just the way lists arebuilt are going to try to include a few more little tricks that just make it thatmuch harder for Pegaram to overcome, but the problem with that is that theydon't always just beat the match of which again is the testament to peekaround strength. It really just feels like the deck that has. You know that is like a direct counteris the only thing that can really be poperon and we look at things likeobstacle like that. Doesn't really even be Pekrom, dest Pie, peekron being anall basic deck, yeah Obtiouy Goen. Having way more tricks of its sleeve, Imean it really is the kinds of decks that are going to consistently beapegram are the ones that are just all in tobeat it and everything else hasyou know a pretty even matchif against it yeah. I think I agree and it's funny,because when we talk about Pikerob now it feels a lot like the way we talkedabout Atpzashin last four yer wher s devobe so much to being able toconsistently beat it. yeahit almost doesn't feel worth it. That being said, I think there arethings that you can do to take a couple percentage points in the rightdirection. I think you from a broken bond will probably be played in higherquantities. I think stuff that you mentioned, like babafit and the shrinesand the chaotic spells, and probably even more so power plant willcontinue to see play power plants I think, is taking a little bit of a hitjust because the way peakerum decks are constructed is ing more resilient topower plant than they used to be, namely I'm thinking of the fact thatthey play a lot more heart draw as a Lotor postrelying on vulkner rightmakes you great redibly susceptible to power plant right, so I think we're on the same page there.What I'm interested in is what those counters might look like you mentioned, you know, failink being a deck. I don'tthink failing is something that really conceive much large scale success,because I think it struggles a lot in the dragon. Polt matchup- and I doubt you disagree on that one. I arethere other sort of decks that might hard counter peker Om or have just agenerally favorable mashup against it outside of that some might say, ble Cethelin, Iwouldn't necessarily agree on that. I mean, I think it's pretty again. Itjust kind of is coming down to whether or not bloe ef want sats up an PKRAM.Even then can do some funky tricks, and so nothing that I really see asbeing like a viable contender has so very posile. I mean you could sayAdpsatian. I think that it's still right up there, but now that pikaromhas that very, like ultra consistent, like turnd,to an in a very an even more real chance that the turn Wan full blits. Itjust gets harder and harder pordect, like anty pusation, to play against the Pakaron Dick, and so Ithink that you have yeah. I'm again, I'm trying to like Brask me at strawsfigure out exactly what can be pekrom again. We were talking about these kindof soft counters that will probably make its way into other deck, so thePower Plant Stamp Combo, I think, is a really powerful Combo for the Dragopoldeck and I think it's the way that drag poldex will see play in the futureheading heading on in the qualifier for and beyond, and so things like thatwill probably make their way into the other. You know big decks that canaccommodate that right. I think those are all fair. We talked a little bit last week, andso you can, you can always feel free,...

...checkg out ot as well Bo the dynamic ofthe peperon versus ATP oshion matchup, and we had you know mostly theorized,whether or not Pekram was still Likeo, O losing match up there or, ifit had taken. You know the lead because of all the things that hade beenafforded to it from the LE rebel clash set. Now that we've had some more handson experience, yeah with Pekrum, especially in the last you know a weekor so we doubt we had those results in the time to digest that. Do you stillfeel like that's the case? I feel like atps a should completely blue peaknaroun out of the water just Tho Satago, and has that completely flipped on itshead? Is that something that maybe is a little more? Even but stillfavored? I mean it's just tough with, I think again. The few factors that have cameout like t the speedlighting energy, just increasing your odds of gettingthe turn one. I think the TAG Collenchon is the way to go. Sobasically, if you have the stadium an deck you're guaranteeing yourself, Iturn to full blits and then having the Bullton to just continually one shot.In that mid, the Laye game is pretty potent for the Pekram deck, and so Ithink it can be all those things just kind of combine with ATP not reallygaining too much in terms of its speed potential, and I think that that' thatreally helps the match up a lot for Pekram right for sure. So, taking alook, then, at the way that you're s that you should be building atpceAshion, I think stuff, like energy switch, that can just price spruce upyour consistency and your turn one potential a little bit further,especially in games where you're going. Second might be our elevant all right.We had lihely mentioned stuff like that last week and it seems like that's theway that builds have continued to evolve. I would recommend playing an energySpwitchor Toce that way you can continue to push and push the limits ofof what your deck is looking like right and what it's able to achieve morequickly because B t what ends up happening, I think, is you need thealtered creation. However, you can get that to happen and then I think it'seasier to stream. You know to you know H, two of the Desashans, afterthat, after you've altered creation than it is to even get the ultarcreation off in the first place, sure exactly so what, however, you have tobuild your deck. To achieve that, I think I's going to be is going to bethe money. So, let's take a look down at ATPSoption. You talked about that being underplayed. I think I agree after myexperiences in the last week or so so. Why do you think it was under play? Doyou think it was because it was just no longer the start of the show, or do youthink it was more of a situation where people were excited a to try out newideas and decks and gravitated towards those concepts instead yeah generally,I just think that people were excited to try out new things. I think that people were looking at like baby blasephlon and maybe fearing that matchup a little bit, although I don'tnecessarily think it needs to be as feared as maybe some people would but yeah. I think a combinationof those two factors would be the rise of babybls Ar rerise. I don't know whatthe the cementation of Babeable Seplin as Teron deck and then the just kind ofnew. You know Drago puls, I kind of feel like the people that were reallyreally into ADP aution and really just learn the INS and out of that deck.We're going to gravitate towards dragopules, I don't know for somereason, because I just speak from personal experience like that was me. Iwas going to just stand at psation for all events until it had nor kidding, Yoknow, and then you do that ridiculously so as yeah and then you know now we getdragonpalls and that really like captures me for whatever reason and so yeah. I just I see some parallel inthose and just like perfect math, and I don't know kind of the theconsistency of the two and so yeah. I just think combination of those factors.Let a lot of people to play something different. Is there a reason that yousee a parallel between the two, because to me almost, I feel like that. There's of conflicting strategy between thoseTDEX ray if hes a shit, tries to overrun you with overwhelming damage,and you know when I think of Dragon pold. The first thing I think of is notoverhelming. Damn is yeah. Well, I don't know, I think, just like with theAtpdeck like your d, The matchups win ATP was big were against things likeMoutu and against things like Pika we're having this kind of perfect mathdamage was you know optimal like you were, trying to fit in just enoughdamage modifiers to do the perfect math without going too far overboard, andyou had the mirror where you're trying to get down shrines to hit perfectlyinto their ATP, and so...

I just kind of feel it is like you'retrying to get everything exactly right with adpsation or that's how I feltwhen, when it was the big deck in the format now things are a little bit moreskewed. Obviously, because you have things like vmaxes, which just up the the damage that you need, you know forone shots which is just unattainable by ATP Ization now, but just that kind of perfection that youare looking to attain without wasting resources is something that I find Dragopol. Alsodoes you know you're trying to use and dragopoll every single spoop of net forits like maximum potential and you're tryingto. Ask You put the energies atthe exact right places and place the damage counter so that you don't wastea single damage, and it's just all these things that remind me of theatpsation deck, where you're just like trying to hit the perfect numbers andyou're trying to use your metal patches exactly right, and you know trying to use your gusteffects perfectly and formats past yeah. I kind of see what you're saying there.I also feel like the one Carla I was going to draw wasmaybe instead of you know the actual attacks it was. The sort ofcadence of gameplay seems familiar to me where you're kind of like having arelatively slow turned one just attaching and then yeah turn to likethe whole game, transforms relatively quickly around that second attachmentand your attack. That comes with it, because I think, what's heateddragopole is spreading that damage all over the place as quickly as possible,and that's only soething achieve bole, literally on turnd to just because thenature of the evolutions, no matter what kind of crazy eccelerationmechanisms you have in there right right. So that's what that's to me. Theimmediate parallel idraw is like you yeah your turn, one you shhut up andthen turn to like yeah bless Andyeah, I'm right and that's like not to say,like everyone that played a psation that like likes Dragenpoll, that justsaying for me, that's kind of where I saw the the you know, and my brain ishat right now is like I really loved Atpz and then now I really really enjoydragopaultand. I don't know, maybe there's some connection there in my brain yeah.Maybe you just like the Postchild Thik, maybe maybe hes a sucker for the forparkamots forsetack. So where do you see other deck? So Weve talked about Pikramtalk a little bit about dragopuls, but like what are some other things thatyou would expect to show up in quarter. Four that you know have a realisticshot of winning the entire tern yeah. I think I think the first thingwe have to point out and I'm going to take a presecond here. I just want tothank a Kille cuddles and the chat. They've they've got a subscription iofBen Givingt yeuout. A couple more andhewal, just I feel like at thatpoint. We have to to say it out loud sothank, you so much Talik cuttles forThi support. I think there's a couple realisticpossibilities for for strong contenders right now in this format and the subtayis really poppingnough. It's like slightly tottract. Do Me, so I think Pikaram is, of course, thebig top dog and one the last event. It's. It doesn't feel surprising if itwould see continued success in this one. Even if people try to work against it, I think another big contender thatwe're going to be looking at is baby wil seffle on we lightly mentioned itin our discupsion and matchups earlier ev, the Suffon, what it lacks in rawconsistency. It gets back in pure power and output and that's something I think thatreally can't be be underestimated and the thing I bade te stuff on it isalmost feels like anyone can pick it up and see success. There's certain like alot of craziness that go. There is a lot of. There is new ANCs in the in thesequen sing and stuff like that. But that's almost stuff that you can youjust practice that on your own, like you, don't even need to necessarilyhave an opponent across from Meu any given time right right, it's like veryeffective to play, it's very affected to play on the ladder and in grind onthe ladder Beright, and it's not really dependent on what your opponent isdoing right and so, like you, gaine a fundamental skill when playing thatthat you can just transfer to a lot of your lot of your games and I think, that's actually a valuableresource. The fact that the fact that it can be picked up in that sort of waydoesn't require, like rigorous play, testing, to to understand the INS andouts of, and that's not to that's, not undermining like the success thatanyone Hasas seen when playing the deck, it's more Loterelinsive. I think it's it's cool that you cantick out the deck look at it on the ladder and have that has an experienceas opposed to some decks. I feel, like are very nuanced in their game play particularly a good example. Is Youknow the the guard? CHOMP HER TINA DEK of a couple formats back. They wereincredibly strong, but they had very particular gameplay patterns. Thay, Ifeel like you, can only real, really reflicate if you're testing them inreal real situations that you'd be in...

...all the time sure just because theywere so particular about where like damage was place and all that kind offun stuff, whereas the flip side that itssomething with beeble stuff on, where you can just kind of grind it and getthe experience do d so yeah. I think I think it'll see success. I think a lotof people likely play it because of e the things that we've just outlined and so whether it ends up being anumbers game or the power of the deck itself, it'll see some continuedsuccess. Jagophal honestly, I was never a huge fan of the deck and I was almosta little surprised at how successful it was. And, yes, I don't know, I feltlike a mixedbag right her. You really struggle to get jagopold off the groundand qualifyer. Three there's also multiple people who made top eight yeahyeah, and I think I was validated in my choice of Dragon Paul for the for theevent, because there were so many players that did very well with it, andI think my problems with the concept of the deck was that I tried to be alittle too reactive. With my dragon pults, I went for a more of a healingroute and I think that maybe isn't the way to go with dragon poll. I think youdo have to be a little bit reactive, but things like again. This powerplantstamp Comba, I think, is a perfect partner for Dragonpulp, because youknow you're going to probably take a hit. It's just you know. Power Plantstamp is maybe a stronger harder combo to come out of then just healing unredD, twenty yeah, and so I think, but I think you're hitting the kind of likethe right direction right where it's like. Maybe the direction that you took.Dragopult was a little too much on the defensive side of things and I thinkwhat we need to see is grenful. Taking more of an offensive stance, so eventhough power plant stamp is you know, I would consider that to still be areactive, Combo, isurd, a it's a much more offensive reactive combo than youknow, just healing Eah, just kind of yeah. Obviously, as funny as thatsounds, but to just kind of go over that point, you know the stamp is onlyreally effective when you're down on prizes- or you know, when you're tryingto make a comeback or when you're trying to you know limit your opponent's handafter they've taken their first knockout or two, and so yes, I just feel the as though that isa card that was underutilized in Cor qualifier three, but as really shownits potential, and so I think it just makes the perfect partner forDragonpole, because they probably your Oponn, is probably going to knock out.You know your Geraci. Ideally, you have that term one and then they'll probablyknock out of Vemx, and at that point you know you're looking at a stamp totostamup to three and just trying to stick them with the power plant right,th Yor, one supporter, and then you know, you're picking off their pivots,their Jeracis on the bench, and it just makes it a lot harder for them to getout of the lock right and I think, an important aspect of that is sort ofpicking off the pivots and stuff it like Dikarom, like you really need todisrupt their strategy at some point in the game at least a little bit toconsistently bet the deck. In my opinion, Becaus whatwill happenoftentimes against Pgram, and my experience is they're able to veryquickly aggress on your dragon pulds, even just the little two prize,jagapolts that haven't yet vemaxed, and that obviously puts you in a compromisesituation where they can quickly set up acheckmate and there's a bult on on the board. And you know you can'timmediately knock that out with a dragon fold deck, no matter what you do and so the the flip side of thatbecomes. You know trying to Disroft dekrum in turn, so PKROM is disruptingyou through pure aggression, and so you have to respond back by. You know,planning your feet in the ground and saying well, you know, take this n andyouknow doing something along the lines of like a plant stamp. So I think that's a good idea. I thinkwe will likely see more things like that in Jago Phole, and I so I like to touch that on that alittle more fthough, so you had mentioned when you built andconstructed your dragonpoll deck, that the main thing that you were worriedabout was the mirror, and I don't know if you have planted your feet in theground and saying and are saying this is still like: Howid play it for merescenarios. But what DOS cause you to shift your focus away from dragonpoleinto other matchups, considering it still did get multiple top AIDS. Well,I just think that I could outplay the opponent. If it's a mere situation,then I think that just the resource management that I would need, or notplaying certain pokmon down at certain times would be able to give me just alittle bit of an edge and then there's also other things that you considerthat are softer counters that are just maybe more versable than something likea Maloan Lana, although Malolon is still very good, and I would be lookingto include it. As you know, it's like one of those last few cards forinclusion or cutting.

I would look to also include likecrushing camer. You know where has very good use against. ADP has very good usein the mirror has like a very reasonable use against Pikaram, babyble,O Selon and all these different decks. So that would be where I wouldpotentially look to go. That's like an option, and so yeah. I just think maybethat softer counter that is a little bit more usable and more matchups is alittle bit better than something that is just kind of head headlong for the mirror yeah. I think that makes sense. Iprefer an approach more along those lines as well: Ightbuilding your deckfor the field and taking on the mirrors as they come right with the exceptionof you know. If a deck is overwhelmingly going to be popular,then of course than guilt prepare for those mirrors right right, so I think that all makes sense. Soloovi Mack, though, to the question of what else I think could potentially seesuccess. I think we've covered a lot of it. He Geron Jagopolt Basephelon and I forget what I've already said: PeterAmsashin drivpuls, Ondoshi, okay, so that isthefo. Okay, I feel like I fel like I was missing one, but that was the, forthat was mainly don't o I mean those are probably the top four. I think.Just generally speaking, those are what people are saying. You know what theseare good, they prove themselves last qualifire and they should just remaingood. Whether or not people innovate them at all or just kind of copy. Thelist I mean we now have kind of the list out there. The kind of I was I wastalking last week about Ow, the top performing you know. DRAGOPOLATIC isgoing to kind of set the standard for Dragapol tetexs moving forward, and soI think we're just going to continue to see that more of the same but more of these kindof polished list of the ones that were successful in the last term. Right andso. But taking that into like the next step, we had talked last week about some ofthe Nich decks that we thought might be either that either were good for cort,quaifior three or might be good looking into qualifier. For I think a couple ofthem that stood out to me are going to be like a Mutu focus deck and the ostagn style deeck that you were a fanof. So you know you had mentioned opstagonearlier and the fact that it kind of can struggle against Pikarom yeah, and I think the main reason thatit at least in my mind that it does. That is because the mixture of you knowPeka Choos, at Ra being able to acgress very quickly and threaten a tag ball.Well, at the same time, right to and Wright sheas able to paralyze theobstagons and Yeah Force Themba your Situati on really weird dicotomy therewith the matchup, because on the obstacle side like theoretically, yourideal is to just have the one obstacle now and just be able to attack attackattack. But the problem with doing. That, obviously, is that right, youright, you can come into paralyze you and if you don't have a pivot to switchto then you're screwed. So you have to have two Poer Min out, but then that inturn threatened, you know your opponet, the opponent playing pickeram canthreaten the tagbult and if they just get one gust, then they can take outtwo obstacoen targets, and so it just gets really funky and really awkwardand just you're a stage to so you're going to have the setup. And if youroppone plays anything disruption, wise, like you're, trying to set up this bighand or you're trying to dig out the Rosa and then you get reset stampe oryou get Marnid or whatever, and that Rosa goes back into the deck and youcan't find it on the turn that you need it. Then things get really screwy oryou pries too many things and it just the consistency is all obviouslyfavoring Ppram, and so you is the you, as the goon player, have toovercome that with your lock at sometimes your lock isn't even goodenough to overcome yeah. So, let's expand on that idea. Further ovuygoonwas a deck that you ad called out as being a potentially good pick, at leastin qualifyor. Three. In hindsight, I do think it rotains that going intoqualifier for is pikram too difficult to overcome, or are there tricks thatyou can include in your bag to improve the peekar on matchup? I think I thinkit's good. I think it's a good matchof fargoons. I just don't thinkit's like an auto wind by any means like an Atto in forgoons would be maybeWoll Sev sure, but Pekeram is just maybe not bad, as maybe like a fiftyfive forty five matchup, where you have a slight edge, but there are a lot ofthings that Pekaram can do if pegram hits the things they need to in theorder that they need them, then they're just going to be able to win kind of nomatter what you do, but then, on the flip side of that, if guns you know,hits the things t they need at the right times, then they can counteractthat and so for goons. I think a big thing is trying to play some type of you know. Imean you kind of have to play a heavy hitter or two or potentially three,where you just take a one shot on their...

...big boy, the turn that they bring it up,like the turn that they tag bell sixt energy on to their Peroun, like you gotto have a response to that turn. You know you got to have your evoltsal,that's like probably what you would do there and then, as the game progresses.You know if you can build up and they're trying to go for the paralyzedstrategy. Well, maybe if you can set up a sable eye, the NAT's going to kind oftake care of the ride Shurichu and the other things that you can kind ofinclude well, the one that comes to my mind, specifically for Pekram. Besidessomething like a like a shrinea punishment would be the Mimacue to makeit just that much harder to retreat right, the Mibiqu with the with the gxability block and so just make it that much harder to get into the Ridt toride sheand back, and so that would be the one kind of trick that I have found that that doeshinder pikeroum substantially yeah. Another thing I was thinking of- and I think seehis network also tweetedTis out- is potentially including an energy switch and the reason that youcould do that is while you're locking, if they go for the paralyze strategy,you should already have multiple energy on board. From your lock and then youcould switch them onto the the sable Ey to immediately take a knockout and theybring the right. Yo write you up sure, because my biggest problem with thesable I I agree it tha strong card, but likeit's two attachments and you have a two prizore sitting there, that you'reattaching to promoltimle turns in a Gu intedeck and that just feels completelycounterindude if to how the deck should play. In my view, so the veltol feelslike a more natural fit than the in the Saviley to me right and so,including something that can you know mitigate that. I guess weirdness withthe sable eye to me seems like a valuable option. Even just is a one ofhit. You can retrieve off a Rosa or something sure, because you know you dohave these this powerful search card that can quickly get you three pieceCambos and when you think of something like sable, I that's an exactleae Scomlike a poground and energy, and an item are literally the things that you needto pull it off. So right right you know, and I guess, like a switch or somethingbut yeah. No, I mean, I think it's a good deck. I think people that areinterested in playing it, like, I think generally, will have a good time ifthey know what they're doing again, that gooins is a deck. Where you canout play your opponent, you you can put damage counters on certain things. Thetext that you include are going to flip matchups, depending on how you use them,and so I just I like obstagon. I don't know that it. I don'tknow that it could like, if you're telling me okay, you'R jd you're, goingto play obstacun but you're going to play against thirteen Pekaron like Idon't know that I would be excited to play out. I you know it certainly canwin the matchups yeah an win that matchup it just. I think again we lookat the best teck in the format as being Pekram it just it doesn't take an autowin against that, even though it like should- and I think it's general kindof inconsistencies are what's going to keep it away from from winning thetournament now. I think it could absolutely top aid. I could absolutelyhave a couple placeents in top sixteen, but I think, just generally speaking,we're not going to see a large influx of you know, guns players converting andmaking it into the higher higher rankings of the qualifier foradyeah. I think I more or less agree generally I'm not a huge fan of thelock certain type of attackers down kind of deck, at least when is relyant on an attack.So I'm thinking of stuff like like thegoltions Niglacions, AF years, passeand yeah. I was never a big fan of those kinds of strategies and RaffSagon is kind of Romnistion of that, so I', not I'm still not a huge fan of it,except for the fact that Obstcan is like funny Er. I guess like 'it's more entertaining sure it justlike a high level, Sto andpoint, it's Funnier, so h I like that. I also will say if hopefully not toomany people show with obsigution, because that mirror is just the worst.It reminds you of the granintharmiror kind of does yeah or you just feel youdo like a very minimal amounts of damage forever. Back and forth. You'resniping a little bit, but not really it's it's wild, a while back Fradi and I actuallyplayed that mirror against each other, and we spent like a sod hour on Tcgo,just slike and then you're like well and then you're scooping up right andif you play like lenoon or if you play tolanoon, then you're trying to like awoit's like your scoop up the active and then you know yeah. I like use thenight slash on the Lanoo and it like it. Just gets it's too much.

Yea Yeah so, and the other DEC, though, onon my side of the the less popular spectrum, was post e alder me to deck.I don't think, there's a ton we really have to elabrit on with this deck. Ithink it's basically retained the same course hatogy and elements to it, andit's just that strategy is still decently strong. Is there anything youwant to hit on specifically for Mouto and tea perience? No, not particularly, I don't seewelder Mutu or the quoteaquoe ultimate me to really making that big of asplash again at some point, since there are ruty or so decks in the format, and Iwould qualify like the Mu to decks in this very a solid teer to there's just not enough time to testthem all. So I couldn't like tell you the INS and outs of the mutto matchupagainst. You know the I don't know all the new styl the Dragon Poll Matt like.I can't really tell you the insanounce, but just from past experience and the results that we saw on quarterthree, I just don't really see that deck performing against the otherterandic yeah. I I can kind of see that as well. I think it can choke out a lotof matchufps, but I think it struggles. Probably against the ones that aregoing to be most impactful well and then you look at it and I just likewhen you're thinking about playing for a quart four like I would just want toplay a deck that aside for maybe drag a poll but like Iwould just want to play a deck that I know as a few of those matchups that Ican just go in not unnecessarily autopilot, but just like I'm soconfident in that matchup like going and I just Goingto am going to beat it,and I don't know that Welther Mut Tu quite has that, like I'm trying tothink of a mashup where it's like, yes, Weldermouto, I want to play into thismatchup, and I just can't think about one- and that's I don't know would be kind ofconcerning to me. If I was thinking about playing a Mutu variant, I justcan't really figure out a matchup that I would really enjoy playing against.No, and I think I think it's a relevant factor and something I think would evensort of expand on. That is the fact these are long. Thirteen round days andit gets exhausting to play a deck where you're not running into a lot of yourfavorile matchups or like heavily favored matchups, but you know whenyou're, when you're working with stuff, like you know, Obfsgon, you take a free win,that's like refreshing, and it makes it even though obsiguniis a very slowcadence of play and like you're, often going to be having long games like someof those matcheps are just going to be free winds and you sit down you set upand you win, and you know once after thes rous high, it's refreshinglike even when you're in those winning scenarios, even though officsing youmight take Ahout of win. It's like not like a lot of brainpower goes into itonce you have set it up so you're, just like yeah, you know obstructive straft,distract it's so like you know, you could just may be doing anything inthat time. You know just like clicking the button every twenty seconds when itcomes back to you right, that's right! So I understand what you're saying forsure or it's I would place even an above average value on taking thoselike refreshing sort of matchups, because the days are so long in thisevent, yeah and then I would also like to touch on Spear Tomb and mill and Iha control yeah. I want to say Milland spear to or mill and hand controll AR,probably the big elephants in the room. Elet's talk yea to first yeah, I meanthey. They always seem to be, and we always kind of say that every everycast, or at least for the last couple weeks, but for the SPIRI Tom Deck. Ithink it's fine. I think there's been some tacos talking with somebody todayabout the spiritum beasts deck where it's just no ATP you're just going togo in you're trying to hit everything for weakness. You got a buzzwoll. Yougot your four spear tune for the Dragopole. You Got Tar Nioligo just toyou, know, kind of hit in that cleanup spot, and then you got a like aBllesflon gx to take the burst for the game, and so there is been a little bitof talk about that. I've seen that being posted on twitter and things likethat people really seem to enjoy spirittum just on its own, without thehelp from ATP people love that card. Do I love Spirit Tom, not really, becauseI don't know that it has a favorable. I don't know that it has an extremelyfavorable matchup against dragonpulds. It might, in my estimation, take youknow a fifty five forty five matchips Drago pultor, whatever you know thatvery fractional improvement in the Dragon Pol matchup, but if you're notbeating the deck that you're like really hard countering, I don't againdon't know that it would be my choice. I think that Dragon Pulk can handle theSpiri Tume deck, and so for that reason...

I don't love it as a pick. If peopleare coming up to me and saying that they want to play it, I mean for sure,like I would say it's a fact that you want to be practiced with, and I thinkthe more practice than experienced players are going to know exactly whatto do and every single match op and be able to. You know again: outplay you're,going to know what to do with your damage counters when you're going toknow into draft shrine you're going to know into jinks and what it dinks toand Wen to use your spiritum ability and things like that. But it's just I don't I'm not a I'm, not ahuge fan of the Beck, and so I you know, got bodied in the quartertwo qualifier and of course, that might have some bias but sure yeah again just Spirittu it's fine.I would never tell you not to play it, but it wouldn't be adect that I wouldlook to for a quarter four just because the favorable, the favorable match ofagainst Drago polp, really isn't that favorable yeah, and I think you knowcalling back to the experience factor of Spirito. I think it's telling thatspirit. Tam Only really has consistently seen success in the handsof Rosscoffin, who has played this deck. No doubt a ridiculous amount that manbecomes a fiend for a single deck at a time and test it beyond belief. So I think, if, if you're not able to replicate notnecessarily that level of it, but if you're not able to sort of simulatethat sort of testing dome experience of Spiritum that a lot of the nuance of itis going to be. It's going to be difficult to pick up right, and I think, especially in this format,where you have dragon poll that, as so much manipulation of the damage onboard, it's even more pertinent that you havethat kind of experience heading in. Whereas before you know in the previousformat, you know, I don't think it was as necessary, because you did have apretty straight Ford game planning a every deck bright, but especially likethe fact that spir to Mas, like quoteunquote, counter a Dago Pole, butyou have to really finess the way that you play it. I think it's very tellingyeah, especially like when you have dragon poll lists that play you know.AFOR energy right can just kind of if they have a couple of horror energyattached, then it just goes right back into you as a knockout things likegiant bomb, if they're playing that in their Dragon Pol list, just a lot ofthings can really go off the rails. For you as a spirital player, not tomention the fact that you know double prize turns are not you know not out ofthe norm for a dragonpole player, and so, if you're not able to stream thoseSpiri Tumbs, then it gets really hairy. In that mid tolate game, I mean youjust want to end the game like as soon as possible as the spiriting player and,if you're, giving the dragonboll player the time to set up to dragon ble vmaxis like at that point is pretty much over for your. So it's tough, it's a fine deck. It's. Itdefinitely has a place in this metagame. But again there are some issues with it,not just the Dragon Pole matchop, but there are just some issues with it.That would lead me away from that thing yeah. So, let's move into the into whateverybody's been waiting for, though, and hat's the mill and control styledeck. All I think, first off. What are you, preferring among those kind ofdecks and second off? Where do you see them landing in the qualifier? For Ithink mill is fine, but I really have been seeing an influx and I also likethe control hand, control variance. I think we've been seeing a general lackand if you look at the top performing decks of qualified three, let's just gooff that. But if you look at that, they'rethey've tended not to include the Arangere, and so the Arangru and thehandlo agaist. The handlock Thack is a very good counter because you just getto see one extra random card as opposed to being chipship ISAX locked for theentire late game. You know and so you're getting to see that one extracard with Yourangarou, but if your list doesn't include it, then the handlockthat becomes that much more commen. So I think Anlok is probably betterarticanos very good right now. Just generally chipship is stronger ifpeople don't include a rangaroo, so I think that's a really great choice, avery strong choice and I think the way that we will see the way that we will see the stallmilldex go. Yeah Yeah, I think for sure, especially hearkening back to Articunois incredibly good in this form. I just coaldn really shut a deck completelyout of the game, really wants it once you declare that cold crush, so it canbe really tough to come back from that. Is there anything that you wouldinclude outside of that aangerer to potentially improve those matchups pogemot says any thoughts on Apom Imean that's a new promo that came out. I don't know that it's Blegal just yet, but I'm my my people have to get back to meon that one. But...

...let's see there are things like I've been seeing just skypillar indexas like a Dragonpul answer, and if you can get the handlock Cammo against theDragon POLDEC and you know Mil out their stadiums because they generallyonly play a couple of stadiums, so I can get rid of those. Then you shouldhave a pretty decent shot. I've been seeing a lot of like the resurgencs ofFaba in the mill control, dex and that's I mean kind of goes withoutsaying. I think special endertutes are pretty strong right now with Pikaromand dragon polsing a lot of play, and so those are the two that maybe just cometo my mind immediately. But obviously there are so many different ways. Youcan go with that deck sure I'm actually trying to see onlineif the APOM is legal or not. I want to say it is: I can't see when the actual blistercame out there, it's so hard to find like good details on the blisters yeahyeah. I mean it again o. It doesn't reallysurprise me either way right, like I wouldn't know, either way. Just it's not a cart that ihave. Oh No! Actually I her. It is APOM cardnumber son ammon to forty four legal dahe, six, five, hey perfect, so noAPOLM, unfortunately not legal, but no it should be. A goodcard should be a good car when it is legal for play. But just not for thisquallmargood news is that Mantine sword an shield. Twenty six is legal uponrelease so well. I've been waiting. We've beensaying it all. Along on this cast how we've Ben Waiting for Mantime, Yah,mantime, Twen, Startin c twenty six is going to be really big for us. Sothat's huge, that's huge! Actually Wawhat was the ast time. Anti have likea good card, never eah. I want to say that too. I don'tthink it ever had a good car. I can I'm only picturing the card from heart,Goldsol, silver or that era. There is a man time card, that's e!! only s, alsoa man Tyke, that's true! Well, no, there wasn't one from that. Oh Yeahyou're right it was from the Diamond Furlyer. Wasn't it yeah the all Antyke? Four minutes? I really go get the short end of the stick with thebaby. Hok Come on e circling back to the mail stal and weshould open up the field to questions from the chat, but just just a questionor you Raley. You know what what do you think interms of in its in its rankings of the decks? If we're saying that the bigfour are like blesephlon, Dragonpol, Pikaram and Atpz, what do you think is stall stalcs position in that in thatmaybe Tiar one list like? Do you think it hangs with those and what kind ofchanges would you make going into a field of those for yeah? I think when I think of stuff like handcontrol, I always would take those kind of matchups, maybe pee aron, being thequestionmark amongst those. But you know stuff, like bet sepalon ndstuff, like obstagoond stuff, like adpice ation, those are all pretty okay,matchups again apice autions Mabe, the only one were hand, control texparticular can struggle, but it's also relatively easy to just chainge thisplant stamp and kind of keep them down, no matter how many times they they try and use this auctions ability.So I think actually it's got a decentfield set up for stuff. Like the Sephelon, I just a hard win for anysort of stall deck, so that can't really be overlookedeither. The only thing that kind of makes menervous is just being sort of run off the board, because the Meta is prettyfast right now and sometimes I find that staldocks will struggle to findtheir footing before those decks. Take the aggression necessary to take theirprizes, mamely, I'm thinking of Pikeram being very aggressive, and then even ifyou get the cold crossho up, they can zero orgxto recover. A huge amount ofenergy and Advsasian can very quickly alter creation, and if you don't haveresponses within the next turn or two after that, then you've basically lostbecause they've taken so many prizes that you aren't necessarilyanticipating and again. This is specifically for like a hand, controlsyle, Dec, not really a millestyle Dack, I'm more partial to hand control. Idon't the MILLDECK. I thought it was fun, but I never really liked it. I prefer having like more optionsafforded to you and being able to actually like work against youropponent, where, as they feel like, the Milldeck, was almost playing likesolitaire or just kind of just like doing this thing, and I prefer to like more actively do stuffagainst my opponent sure. So I think I...

...think the field is there. I think it'llprobably be see very little representation as it typically would. I think Mills Hayday and stalls Haydaywas really in the sword of shield set one where that that one in Cheac genowmilldeck really just overwhelmed us at the start of the formap yeah. You couldgo two games on the ladder that se so yea yeah. I don't think there's even toomuch you'd have to change to really account for them. Edi game either stufflike Faba, can potentially be useful in certain matchops, but I think it's actually relativelysmooth sailing. I just think only a dedicated player base is really goingto pick it up. We have seen some recent innovationsinto that style. The home was trying out sort of the florgeous kind ofvariant on his stream the other day, and I think that deck seems okay onpaper. It might struggle in practice to get fully up and running. I thinkthere's just Flordas, I think asks for a lot really quickly and if it doesn't get that it struggles so yeah, I think I think these decxsare actually in a fine spot. I think the Meta game is panding well for them. I think mill might have a betterfoothold in the meadow just because it, I think it better deals with stuff likepeekarond by just like almso having its own form of aggression, where you sureyou know aggressively y will start removing cards frin their deck, whilethey're also trying to aggressively remove cards from their deck. You know, especially, you know, I don'tthink about even like even like saying it out loud, it's kind of funny thateven attaching energy like causes peakure on like Selfmill Eahyso, that Ididn't really think about that till just lik body you peek around. That's see, I don't know, I don't know ifthere's any like special tricks that you've really thought of. I think thedecks are fine, the probably se similar representation, Yeah Yeah. I think they're good. Ithink they're good, you kind of hit on all the the reasons why you would playit and why you wouldn't so if you were going to play riling Porte, for youtold me before the stream that you're not I'm very sad, no collase. But ifyou were going to play what decae would you choose and why I think I would justprobably still run with the peekerom deck, at least at this point in time.If I was going to submit a list, it would be a Pekerhom deck. I think thedeck has all the tools it needs to succeed and that's usually what I likein a day, even if it ends up being the tearone deck. That people expect. Ithink, having the tools is more important than you know. Having thatsurprise factor- and I think thegram has all the tools that has a variety ofstrong attacks that can do all sorts of powerabul things like snipe damage andparalyze and accelerate energy and one shot like when you say that loud Ir'sactually like an absurd amount of things that it can do, but but it can and that's sick, and soI like that yeah and I I've had a love hate relationshipwith Pekrom. I actually really loved the card when it first came out andthen everyone started to like it to, and I like hipstered out of it and saidI hate Pegr I've ever since, but I think the Aram is just dedec to playfor this event, and I would't really want to pass that opportunity. OP It'show about yourself if todtonightWednesday night as are recording what is the current deck that sticks out toyou. I lean towards dragopults, there's just something about it that Ireally Tu. There has to be something about it. If you got so bodied in t arestill loving it. I know I know I know, and I, like a lot of me, wants to moveoff the deck, like a lot of me really does, and I'm trying and I'll try onstream tonight to play the deck and play with some other things that I'mconsidering to just see what happens, but I've been reallyenjoying the plant stamp in the in the Drago poll. I want to see howfar that can take me. I think that the plant stamp Cambo gives you a veryreasonable shot against Pekeram again taking away the retreat options that itloves with Zera Aura, taking away the dedene options that it loves in anyfaster of the game and just removing the hand in the lake game is just sobig against that Dick that can it can just be the difference. You know youjust need one turn. I feel like against that deck with Dragon Poul to just makesure that you're knocking out the thing that has the most energy or the thing,that's the biggest threat, and so I think that's just enough, and it hasenough, like mobility in the other matchups to just really kind ofsolidify, and do the things that I wanted to do with the deck and quarterthree. It actually does it now and I think it would make a greatgreat choice, and so I want to see what else the format has I want to test,notably Adpz, which I have not put in a ton of time. In with in this format, Iwant to you know, really kind of boost...

...my opinions on that deck. In mymatchups on that deck and the other thing I would consider yes is bigaramnot to not to kind of just go with the flow on that,because I think a lot of people will play pe crime, but it's very justifiedbecause there's just so many things you can do so many situations you can getout of and you know- can beat a lot of thecounterdects. So it makes a lot of sense. Yeah to me.The only thing that's dissuading me from potentially playing pekrom is theprospect of plying that horrible horrible mirror match mirrors going to be tough. I mean, if you're looking at it and you look atthe breakdown of decks and day to like it would not surprise me to see PekarOm, take up a quarter of the day, two decks, and so you're gonna probably be playing twotothree potentially more an day, one and then and day to you know. Who knows, Ithink it's a really strong, Dick Yeah think a lot of people will play it soeither up on it or you have an answer to it. Yeah. I think it's interestingthat you're still sitting on traggerpold as well Draon pold, is justa deck that I have not been able to vibe with. I don't know what about it. It is, I think, just the thing that I personally don't likeabout. Dagopol is just you're stuck at that one thirty man and it can feelreally bad, sometimes if you're getting a gressed on and you you know, especially by another gxPokemon or a V, and you can't immediately respond like you have tohit it two three, maybe four times if they heal at some point. You knowpessentially four times before you and I just feel so. Ato Me True, I thinkdragopault is the kind of deck that has like these intangibles. That can'treally like it's like it's like the dramond green of deck right, WAE can'treally Quana fuotify. Why it's good, but it just is like it. Just is goodlike it and it provides such value to you like it doesn't have the one shotnumbers you know. Okay, we seplons good because it hits insane th numbers andlike Pekarim is good, because I has all these tools and the dry energy, but forDragon Paul Yeah, it doesn't really do a lot of damage. You know hundred andeight I mean hundred and eighty for two is good, but it doesn't. You know ithas no one shot options like ind. No realm are you ever one shottinganything, but it takes out like the pivot Bogmon, like we w're talkingabout it, can tank a hit. It can, you know, do very tricky things withthe techbook amound that you include it just it Al Somehow works together to formthis cohusive deck and, like I said it's just the Swiss army knife of dexright now and something I guess that is gravitatingme towards it yeah. Well, I certainly I can't hate on you for for enjoying thedeck and and thinking it's a good choice is just that is my personalexperience. It's something t hat is made me uncomfortable is the yeah. Isthe inability to truly respond to immediate aggression rightright, and so I think it's worth keeping in mind for anyone consideringJaga Pol is how you're going to deal with those scenarios, and I think youhave started to forbulate those plans for yourself and we've talked a lotabout how that might look, and I would highly recommand if four consideringdraggopole also investing that time to figure out what your game plan is goingto be working in those kinds of situations, because you're going to beputting them for sure, absolutely absolutely cool. Well, I think we'veabout reached our time here. We have a lot of discussion, I think more than weeven anticipated, because we just start. I feel like wedo this all the time where we talk before the cast w Lik, Oh yeah, we'lldo like n really goodsa in the e Yeah E. I feel like we're just veryopidiated people, and we tend to have a lot to say about the things that wewant to talk about, which is spread. I guess it works act for a podcaste lotto talk about there 's a lot to talk about yeah, so I'm excited to see howthis limiles qualifier develops be sure to check out GW stream this weekend,especially if you're not listening, live Ijihivy does stream his limitlessqualifier on twitched outtv flex, daddy righteous. He had some really awesome game,playit's, a good attitude about the whole thing I was tuning in, even as hewas getting destroyed the last last time. He still had a good attitude andand made the stream fun to watch. So I'd recommend checking that out. Thankyou all for the support. During this stream. We got a huge influx of sutsand gifted subs, and I think that community that we have is one of thebest in Pokemon, so you' all really make it special, be sure to rate andreview on itunes. If you listen, there helps us get more visible and get morepeople interested in the BOOKMON trading card game. And with that we'llsee you next time, please see you.

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