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Season 2, Episode 19 · 1 year ago

2-19. Kevin Krueger Breaks Limits

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are joined by recent Limitless Invitational Champion- Kevin Krueger! Listen in to his detailed perspective on his tournament runs, his deck choice, and his vision fr how to improve as a player.

What is up, everybody welcome back totag team, the POKMON trading card games for Myour podcasting doo today with aspecial guest. My name is Riley Hover and I'm joined today by my friend, JWCreewall Gw Ho you do today, I'm doing pretty well Raley. How are you I'mdoing pretty swell, and you know why don't you introduce our very specialguest, the winner of the Limilis invitational, an we have with us today,Kevin Cruger, say: Hey welcome to the cast thanks for having yeah we're reallyexcited to have you and talked to you as a player who went through. You knowall the quality, all the qualifiers and then made it to the final bigtournament and ended up winning that that's just a very special thing. Likea months work of work, you know for weekends right and then the culminationweekend last week, so very very cool. How do you feel just kind of you've? Probably Geen, ask thisquestion and and Givin you podds to many people, but how does it feel towin this style of ement o? It's started to set in I've kind of been on cloud.Nine for a couple days whatafter, I won it just just kind ofsurreal. Then it started to set in. Like I love my deck, I got pretty goodmatchups throughout the tournament I was thinking back to to just you know,even the qualifiers. I was pleasantly surprised that I qualified had some really good luck. The firsttop eight run and then I think I made some good deck choices. The next coupleto TOR to get into second day again, but its pretty just surprising that it it soconsistently. Well, I've always thought of myself as a good player. I've gotNERAL TOS IRL, but I haven't really had that big finish before won a coupleweak cups in February march, but this is kind of on another level yeah. No,it's really quite impressive. Just because you have all these differentqualifies like you're, saying, like only what twelve people made it in fromyou, know the normies, and then we had a lot of content creators making in aswell, and that was really what was most exciting to me to see someone thatgrinded through all those tournaments when the final invitational that wasreally cool. So talk to us a little bit just very briefly kind of thetournaments that you played in leading up to the invitational you played inthe first one. It was a firebox list. Is that right because I remember weplayed against yeah we faced each other day, one I think it was around ten or somethingand I was yeah, and I think you were my first loss. I remember right abut. I was like tenand two against Atpz that tournament, like it was kind of a nutty run. I wasdrawn pretty hot, but yeah that was a great tournament fireboxes. So many people didn't expectfor that one. I had been changing decks that whole format cause not able tosettle on things. I don't like playing mere matches, so I usually stay awayfrom what people perceive as the best deck. So I was trying to find somethingthat could be adpz. You know had a chance against other stuff and then theother thing is, I really just hate losing to mill. So I chose tha the deck.That mill was not prepared for specifically actually got some of mybadlock that tournament against Mel and lost a couple round Sui o bad prizing,and I face the one guy that played Wabif with stealthyhood but buyindlarge, but mill matchups, pretty free for sure yeah, and so that was ended upbeing actually a really good medical. If you play really aggressively andtake yeur Walders, it's worked out to like sixty forty or so against cdpz. Ass long as you take a price before they alter creation, then you end up winningfron, so that was you know two big big positives, that the day to wis justlittered with those I actually had to beat some other random decks thisweekend to top eight PKARAM and ultimate Meuto, which my deck isunfavored against. But I just hit the right stuff and was able to stay onestep ahead. My deck was built really aggressively. I didn't have any handdesruption. Basically, the game plan was get your welders play, poke gears lotsof dirakes, take the first couple prizes and then just sort of carry yourlead through yeah, really pretty simple, but it was a consistent list and I hadsome good variance and ended up being a really good medacal. My top eight game I played pretty well,I think my opponent was Poayin Adpz. He won the quain flip and he playedexceptionally well. He set it up so that I was not able to take any prizeson turn one. You always left his EDP active, which is correct. SOTLIZE youtake a Keap prize on Deraki and then you do a three hundred damage on he atpat some point and Gus, ceposition or Dedena went in threw knockouts, but youwould always wall me off for the first turn when he went first. I can't Guston my first turn sure so, there's just nothing I could do he played reallywell. He drew well...

...yeah. Really good player with thecoolest, he was playing heavy Goosmahala and so s able to search outall his defensive tools like he had game three big charm, ADP and metal FRY pansationon the bench with like three energies on board, and I wiftwelder turn onegoing. Second Yeah Thisis Gon no be Hu, Nothinganyoeri didn't have any regretsabout. You know going out that way. I'm really happy with how I played thattournament and then that got me all excited. Like wow happy finished tostart, I got actually qualify for this. Yeah that' got to kind of keep it upfrom here, yeah and so you're coming off a top eigd finish in that qualifierone, and was that kind of the difference that you were thinking? Well,maybe I wouldn't play in the other qualifiers. If I didn't do well in thefirst one or were you planning on playing and all for to Stan Anyy, Iprobably would have kept playing. I think if I wipped on like the first two, then I might have dropped off some ofthem, especially because three and four I wasworking night ship. So I had work all night home then play all day and thengo back to work again at night, so those ones I think I probably wouldhave ended up sitting out just for scheduling purposes. But at that pointI was I was committed and I was in third place after the first tear andyou had a lot of people rooting for you, I'm sure yeah, that's awesome, allright, so the first qualifiers done you're feeling pretty good. You knownot not too many people did better than you and that first one and then youmove on to the second qualifier. You still made the second day ofcompetition playing a similar list and kind of talk us through maybe thattournament and what you decided to change with between one and two so yeah.I just I changed a couple cards. I thought the deck was still good interms of Meta. The thing that I thought would pick upin play, which did it a little bit was mill since it did really well in thefirst one, and so I put it cramarant in there. So I could snipe a skelty hooded, Waba Fed if it came downto it sure M, but I made the wrong cut, is the problem I cut Takini V, which Iskay your bestattacker against me to Mallomor, which ended up being like totally the play or qualifier to, and I think I over the two days Iplayed at like five times and I think I lost, for it was just really bad and without the Vitiniv can mainly attached totwice and then still like two shot at Mutuan Mujx and then spready flames is good againstit. Two I just I really missed that card in that matchup, and I regret thatswitch that I made I played really well. I kept smashingATPZ I'e eat a couple mills. I had a couple misplays against theMalamar Mecudeck as well, which is frustrating that text tas hard to playagainst yeah. They can Honis you in so many ways, so I wasn't thrilled with mygameplay. That was the one I sort of squeaked intoday to. I just barely gotto nine four, basically by beating everything else. I think three of myfour losses were to Mallamardeks and at that point I'm like I reallymade the wrong cut here, but let's just play it out day to I hit three more Malmars and Ithink I lost to him. I won my other rounds but ended up like a tweve, an eight yeah, so that was alower finish, a tha top hundred and twenty eight. That was a little smallernumber, so it was still top one. Twenty eight points which was pretty decent yeah. I think if I left O Victini TN, Iprobably would have had another win or two term, but I didn't have the super hot draws thatI had in the first quall fire to get all the way Ots at Bade, right rightand that that happens of course right and it's hard e Ta, O e Ayou. What youDan is like two curles yeah good. So then we come up on qualifiersthree and four. Obviously, in a new format, we got new cards new setreleased and how did rebel clash kind of impact? What you wanted to do I meanI see here from from Limolis. You played the Dragon Pol list and ananother day to and in the third qualifyer and kind of walk us throughnumbers, three and four, and what you were thinking with the addition ofrebel clash. So historically, I usually take a couple months to early like findmy grouve after new setdrops, because the medigits allthrown into disarray. I never know what to play at first and then I sort ofswitchdecks every couple f weeks until I find something that I really reallylike and then I'll get really good at that one deck and then I usuallyscirtcetting results abilities are the repier box was kindof a comfort pickd for me, so that was an easy transition for the first couplenew set dropping I had to test.

You know all the new stuff, mainly Itested dragon balts and it seemed really good fireboxas terrible becauseyou couldn't hit the numbers anymore. So I'm like okay, we're dropping thatdragonfauls smashes mill, so mills probably dead, but this tat just seemsgood. I went with kind of a personal build that was little lacky. I had foursuper scoop. UPS, a to one Malamar line and a bunch of tecs like Sigzagun, and thediscard Giartina, the other Gearatina that you canactually attack with sometimes or just get the two Davis counters on the benchis really good. I was testing some pekrom some otherstuff and realize it's had shifted really prettydramatically to like a two shot, Meta for sure yeah. My thought was well,let's play the tankiest thing out there and do some busted super scoopup heels, and if you're playing the Super Scoopup,you kind of need the Malimar do like accelerate your energy eve, ry turnafter you picked it up Yep. So I had a lot of fun, actually sort of building that deck from theground up. There was a million different Malamar lists around Er,Sorry Dragon Palt lists around and what I notice is. These are all really weakto like energy disruption. So people are scared of the quote: Best Deckd andthey're, going to counter with energy desruption, because the mal, theTagopoul list, without Malamar, don't have any like. Okay, wmine is Malomar.So that's fine. I don't worry about the counters this so much anymore and we'lljust sort of set up put a much f damage, pounders on board and then once theyget two hundred sixty damage anya. You just hope you flip heads right. So it's a fun day to play for sure it'sdefinitely less consistent than like towards version. It came out morerecently, but it was testing pretty well for meand it was fun to play. I always. I weigh that in quite a bit. Actually, ifI don't enjoy playing a deck, then I don't really want to sit down all dayand play terment with it. Yeah because, like if you're not having fun,what are you doing? I, like that mentality? That's Otin, yeah game is inthe name so yeah. So I was doing that. I was havingfun I play pretty well. I think I was wellprepared for this tournament. I had a bunch of texts for Peekaram, since thatwas getting more height, which made it so that I was favorableagainst the badpeaker on lits. There were some older list running a aroundwith like a bunch of Geracis in the like, and you could take cheap prizethere and usually you'd win with like DRATCI DDENE and one tag team knock outin like four attacks. If you right spread your damage around correctly,and so I was playing a wabafet and caotic swell to slow down their rearlygame, energy acceleration, and then I would, you know, spread thedamage pounters around. I weinedto Troubleday, to when I faced the goodpecrom list that didn't have any DRACI and they make you take out a Bolt Tunat some point which Tus feel so bad. Placing five damages counters on riheeyRice Ho does like nothing, and you basically have to do five or sixattacks to win against those and they'll eventually build up enoughenergy to one shot you with bolltuned. So I wasn't ready for those lists andlost a couple rounds day to because of that, but everything else dragon pullsjust super solid against. I didn't even flip well in super scoop ups, I justsort of set up and managed to hide damage on the bench. The malimar linewas really nice to just keep attackers going something that's underraten aboutDragon polp to, I think, is like disease, pretty good attactor. If youont forty for two and then, if you're, smart, you can price trade and likeattack with the vmax first than a regular V, and they take that out andthen you put a three prize or Activ and like stick them with the marnids,an s Ti. They can't gust around it right Lik. So I was pulling off. Fancyplays like that. Even with the badluck on super scoop up, I had a good run. Ifelt great o all my matchups, except for day to started hitting those goodkeekerams and there's just nothing. I coun do yeah. Oh Yeah Bigero'mdefinitely figure. I'm definitely was that, like the call for y a lot of thelot of the you know high placing vacsand that ce yeah for qualifiedthree and the other thing about quallfire three is: I was playing likeI mentioned. I was working a night shift before and then played all dayand then I worked another night shift and then I started playing day to just I don't recommend it. That sounds tough fan yeah I hadlistopen though it's super super slick man. I think it's really cool thaks yeah a lot of text and you knowultimately, even if they wasn't the most effective against those. You KnowTurbo Pikarom, no Jarachi kind of variance. I think think Hou made areally good set of choices, and you...

...know maybe the the scoopup wasn't thethe flip card of choice at the end of the day. But you you had the rightmindset right like yeah, and I think I axtocuted my Gameplang well, I wasbasically I was beating everything that was not pekerum. Just I could pay. I think allmy losses were to Pekeron. So if I hit different matchups, I could have had abetter finish, totally still realy happy with it. I think I ended up. Iwas ten in three day one and then four and three day two for like fourteen andsix and I bubbled out of top thirty two, which I was a little worried, mightkeep me out of the invitational if I wiftan Q, for but it ended up, notmattering getting just replay things overall, one of which is a top e. hadme in pretty solidly yeah, I mean talk to us about the quarter four and thenwhat you were feeling after that finished so qualifie, for I realizedthat, whatever I did with dragon fault, I couldn't be Pekaroun. It just was notpossible, so I had to find something else,because I just kneew there was going to be a lot of peeker Om around. I wish I would have found spiritum forthat one, but I didn't know about it. Yeah and I was still working a lot, so Ididn't have time to test a lot of new stuff. I ended up tettling on a PEKAROMlist. That was teched for Mir, because I played PKROM on and off, notsuperregularly, but you know over the last year or two since it came out andthere's been all these times, where it's basically the best deck, indformat right and so iad learned over that time. Some ways that you can swingthe mirror a little bit. So I did some weird things. I played myown Wabafet, which you can either put active, and then you play Max switch sothat you can pop the cocoa prism and then move thelaaft back to the bench. I also play my own power plant, whichyou can always just choose. If you're going to put that down or not and MorWai game, you stick Hem with the plant stamp is usually a big swing. What happened, though, is all of thosecool text that I had didn't come into play because I just got ran over indmirror by getting outdrawn like to a dramatic degree Sur. The highlight ofthe tournament for me was just feeling so helpless. My opponent Om a secondturn of the game. He goes speed. Energy Thunder Thunder Mountain Prism, epowere power e power, boss order, my Kekaram and fullbooks for three prizes. Hartin your Hadi had a gooder Ata toeerg HADEYTHAT'S PO R LADES't help you ttheydo that no think it save Yo. ThenI thinksowell ultimately that with that qualifier forward, didn't impede yourrun into making it to the invitation. So W was there any doubt if whether ornot you would make it. When did you know for sure that you were in so go question? I was once I whiffd. I did okay Q for I went to like eight or seven and four before I lostand then at that point I was out once I dropped to seven and five. I think so.I was like one went away from a winand en, but once I was out, I just drapped andthen I started checking the weaderboards for like okay, who can actually pass meand how many finishes you know. Am I going to be close for not I checked late that night because I wasworking the whole night fuhad time to look. That's e Saing man, that's crazy! I just was curling through people andsome downtime, and I was like okay there's only like three people or for there are four ofive and day two that were like possible of passing me Turand. I waslike tied for third at them, so yeah I was like okay, even if they all pass me,I still hit the bonemend of twelve, so I was feeling really good at that point,yeah cool and then and then you're focus like when did it start to shifttowards the invitational I mean. Did you take kind of you know a breatherweek and then really get into it? Or did you start testing like as soon asyou figured out that you'd be in so I took a couple days it. Actually itworked out nicely that I didn't make da to in the fourth one, because I could take that day andactually sleep. So it only took me a couple days then,to recover sleep wise from you know, one all nighter, essentially that I didto play the day, one as opposed to qualifier three added back to back allnight or just to play in day. To of that one yeah, don't don't do this, it was dumb,but I already had a lot of points so...

...anyway, two days of like sleeping a lotand catching up, I'm like okay. Let's just I need to find something new,because I hate mirrors and I'm not going to just hig role enough to winthis, so I need to find something that, like counters the Matta, I looked at the topic and saw spirtumbwith buzzwle and, like that seems really good yeah. I didn't love the way the list was setup. I liked Tho scoop up net engine better,so there was actually further down. There was someone who made day to Ithink, with with a list that was closer to Luke Morsos from Selio's network. He played the deck, an qualifier forher and lost a Winnin in, but he had a really neat list and posted a video onit and I'm like okay. This makes sense to me scoop up nuts zix agoon eveltal with Buzzwol, and I Hadni we go in thelist initially in the Chriogonalas. Well, Tyno like okay, this teck justseems fun. It definitely beats peak around. If you,you know, get your sledge hamber turn at some point and it looks like it'sgoing to be okay against other stuff too. So I had like a week and a halfwhere I basically decided I like Tho steck. Let's start testing alot and they just kept getting better andbetter the more I tested it with the initial list. I was beatingPikeram. I was beating baby pil setfelon. He basically just marty himover and over again until they have to Dodenate, and then you just win theprice Trad. That way you can do fancy criacgandal plays if you want, but youdon't need it. So I just cut U The criogonal for another extra great ball. I got a second skateboard in therebecause I learned the biggest thing in testing. That dchanged is just how I approach the Dragon: pult matchup, it's a really funmatchup to play it's really back and forth, and to make mistakes Hou usuallywill get this super yeah. You really need to focus onkeeping your SPIRI teams back in hand and be able to drop it and, for youknow, hundred and sixty or weekness, three twenty do that all on the tameturn it's really hard to do, though yeah it's Noa, tmdown Youe, like isfine, we'll just put it down and yen. You know Max Pantom and I lost myspirteams. I got to find another one yeah, so I did that a couple times an like.Okay, we got to get better at the. I learned through experience that yousort of Putyour gxis down and then even maybe get a strine and play and get acouple damned pounders to work. withund your bend and you want mofldrates anplay. You want. You know a Jinks for two down is really good and once you'rewith all that setup, okay and then at some point, tey'll take a knockout andyou activate your Orcorio and you get this big old hand, and then you drop.You know all the big Combo to goup to big PACCO. The other thing that'sreally fun to play with and that matchup is the eveltal hes yeah forweakness with absorbed vitality for Justo forty damage, yeah and then youknow, Hoor Energy Pokes, oreay string damage, that's accumulated is like down,they can't one shot you and then you get a free knockout there,while you bove up your hand for the next peer Tan Com. So I learned: If youplay that matchup really really well, then it can be favorable for you aswell. So now I'm thinking, okay, we've got this deck. That beats the big three. That's pretty cool. I had to adjust forthe conversation that one qualifier for I didn't know how to beat it. I was getting kind of close with, like Ipoke for forty, and then DU count jx their first station and on thesecondization you can, you know, hit for tw twenty right, but if they get athird attacker, you can just a Drati to slap you and then axipate, theconvoents or twice like you lose. So it's still was a little unfavoredthe night before the imitational. I was thinking like okay,what I beat the big three and like little badding instation, that's fine!This Tex Fun, I'm not going to play anything else. I'm Goingta have funanyway and then Luke is like hey. Aswolis doesn't have any stadiums,that's right! We should play black market yeah yeah. I like Yep. Definitely puttingthat in so right were it was six PM. I tested zero games with that card in thelist yeah and I chucked it in there. I think I had three switch, which Ididn't need after the second Oscateword Ye lly need to. So I cut that for blackbarket and I'm like all right now. I'd beat everything. Let's go, you were pretty confident I mean youshould be. I think I think yes, like absolutely with the with the dragopoldkind of being able to finess that, and you have like you, said that reallysolid match against Pikaroun, which was still you know on the table and theBlaselon like definitely not going away, and then now you have this answer tothe deck that had just won. I mean yeah.

You got to be feeling really awesome byyour chances, and I mean you wint the distance so going you know being ha last manstanding was there anything kind of throughoutthat tournament that last invitational that you maybe wished? What like yoursixty first card, I guess were there any cards that you wish that you had inthe list that you weren't able to fit in not really yeah? I think for thattournament. The list was perfect: Yeah Yeah, I guess the as is there. I was EENI waseven ready, orthethe Mutuwith Mindor cort serve a couple purposes one. It helpsyou chain Marnie into more marnes sepline, which is really good yeah. SoI was just straight up o of think chriogronal in my opinion, and thenalso you can recycle bosses orders to get around dolls and take out the drawengine, mail, decks or spalldecks, and theycan't even sweep block you either, because you can knack out your ownSpiri tums. So I was find against literally everythingeah. I didn't end up facing chip. He was the only guy who plated control. Iwas ready for that too. Yeah, that's what Nice that's the kind ofconfidence I like to see thet. So what I always ask people who haverecently done will at tournaments was there ever a moment where you felt likethis is the tournament that I'm going to win. was there ever just like a gameor a turn that after that turn it just felt like you were on cloud nine andset to in that tournament? That's good question! I don't think Iever really got there mainly because Luke was basicallyplaying the same deck. Yeahi was looking at the other decklist, since they were all posted. You know to start of the tournament andlike this is meres. Just going to be my hardest matchup and there were some close matches onday one, but we both managed to go three and o the first mear I misplayed once and gotpunished really hard and then just drew poorly the other game and got otuedpretty quick and like okay, that's fine! I can beat whatever spendming out ofthe losers Brackin and we'll just give it enough to go, but then the finals was so close yeah. I think I thought I was winningwhen the first game of finals was a Donk yeah, the second game of finals I feltlike I played really well. I excento my game plan, my Listenis a little moreconsistent and that allowed me to pull it out and I'm like now one game O andat that point I felt like I was going to win, but it started going reallypoorly for me fore. I didn't draw as well and I lostgame fine. I had a terrible start and it was really scraping for attackersand that whole game. I thought I was going to lose even when black prison star, but blackmarket stuck for a couple terms and he couldn't take any prizes and I ended upbeing up like my two prizes. I still didn't feel like. I was UPPRIZES, I'mlike I'm losing this game. My boards, terrible. I don't know what I'm goingto do. No, so I never felt like I was winningthat last game until the very last turm when he whips bosses order that wouldhave tracke my Mutu and yeah yeah yeah, and then I could just retreat intoSpiri Tum and do a hundred thirty damage on buzzble. I like triplechecked the math like this is yeah. I have one prize Lov. This isknocked out and I one prizeleft right I had bossworder in to. I could havedustid up in Drati or something yeah made it way easier on yourself back out, draw the frie okay, it's over!That's what I do. I won that very lastter honestly thought Iwas losing that game, the entire time yeah. Well, I got to say it was areally fun mirror match to watch, because the intricacy between blackmarket and the Shrina punishment, you know when you play Wich Yeah and then,when you go in with certain attackers like when you Goin, with buzzwol versusgoing in with the spirit Tom, because sometimes you want to go in with buzzlelater just because it has more HP. You know there are just a lot of and thenyeah and using like the Guaritina to knock off the energy when you'rehitting into black market. I mean what were some of the playrs that you lookedat in the mirror and just to try to pull off what ae some ofthe things going into the mirror that you were looking to do first thing I'llsay on that is we did not test Meror once we never thought about how thesecards for interacting, like I went back to watch the commentary. Te Soltprotler said some really good criticisms of our plays on both ends,but we ere just figuring this out like on the fly. I never thought a blackmarket prisom star and the mirror once, and so I decided to play it down sinceI was able to take a prize and then I had dark pokemine with e dark energyand the Actan I'm like that seems good. There you go, he pulls out thegeuratiand discards it and I take...

...surprise like. Oh that's a good play,never ti that. That's pretty fun, so you're, just likeflying by the city of hands, yeah we're just tanking it one hand at a time onPrintea time, wer doing what ended up sweeing. It was that that black marketinteraction was was big and then getting to the buzzwle sledgehammerturn is really good because it does have a lot of health. So taking the early prize lead, you know, can actually set up Solhettthe Sledge Hammer, orks more in your favor and then you're able to take a prize oreven two with it. Then that's whyw! You want to do it, whereas, if you're behind, then at somepoint your buzzle doesn't have as much value, because if you're hitting that TheyreBuzzwle for hundred and twenty, you still need to Zix Agun to get theknockout right and then, as soon as they take a different prize,then your buzsle is kind of useless. You only get thirty righ. The other,really weird interaction with the mirror was the damage pounters on SpiriTum. If you were the first one to go up totwenty damage on your spiritume, then the opponent oll needed to do tend damage on their spiritual and thenPak their turnknock out. You had to go back to twenty damage again hen. Theyonly need a one damage couer, and so it works out that one person basicallyneeds to keep finding Zixagun and the other one doesn't, and I still know in kindsight like howdo you try to control that interaction? It's just really weird, but it feelsawsolme when you're on the other side of it. I guess it's like you have toprobably try to use your own zigzagoon like yeah too, to get back t even or totiltit in your advantage. That's that is a really interesting big interactionthere at some point, if you have the bench space and access to Zixxagune, inaddition to setting up your protackers than it is like a significant swing tokeep your guy ten put his ixicoun down to bump them from ten to twenty, andthen you do a forty damage knockout and then they sort of have to have theanswer coming back and if you do that, in addition to the Geartina interaction with the blackmarket, now you're like making them find two scoop ups or two basics. You know somecombination of those in order O to keep things going back and forth, but yeahit was. It was a fun match and really strange, mirror matchup that weexpecting. We were joking the night before, like Oh friends, and we havethe same deck and we think it's great so we'll just see wel I'll, pull you inthe finals, not knowing that it would haother sideof the racethat's. Always the dream, yeah, the dream. You know you watyou'replaying to win. You might as well be confident and like talk like that, butit's you know tongue and cheek you're joking and then it actuallyhappens and you don't know how to play the mirror.An O knows how many people watching you sure, while you, you know fumble overyour own deck, trying O to figure out all these interactions in, but that's a good problem to have beingI being against heur friend and having the best deck in the tournament andbeing stuck in the finals against each other. That's that's pretty great.Absolutely absolutely! That's awesome! Yeah and shout outs to Luke as well forfor you o coming up with a similar versionof that deck, an and performing extremely well with it. So so after youwin, you just are very excited. What does it do? What does this win mean foryou for, like your confidence, moving forward in the game, and do you placeit kind of on a level of like a regionals or even like a worldchampionship win, or maybe a Naic Wen, younw kind of an internationalchampionship? Good question I've been thinking about that. You know for me personally. This was myreplacement for my worst schedule, Wis pretty good thisyear and I was pushing for worlds invite. For the first time I got up tothree hundred CP before the season was canceled and I was going to go to bothBerlan and is so. I've been getting CP at everystandard, major event this year, so I was like right on track to go to worlds. I had bought my ticketto London already yeah, so I was super excited about all this.You know traveling Poomon, meeting New People certain to get betterperformances and then everything scanceled which, like I get I work, I work inmedicine and it's was the right called to cancel them, but also it was likeallof. The Fun was gone that I was looking forward to so seeing thelimitlist. You Know Promo video that they put out.ANM Like this is this is the next best thing we're doing it? I'm going to get aloof shot and to come out on top is just yeah. It'spretty crazy. It feels like I want a...

...regional and it's not the same, because it's allonline in the decklas republic- and you know you have like- I never won athousand person tournament. I just placed them three out of four and thenI wanted sixteen person yeah sure Sur Buddy, but it feels like I beat all twothousand people that had you know entered in these sure which is prettycool and then the other surreal thing is, you know going to limit list like Ido all the time and then my name POPs up in the first place, and then I go toyoutube and everyone's like first place, speer team deck, and they have thatexact, sixty trying to figure it out yeah, it's like. Oh, I made it. This is pretty cool. I've been playingfor three years and and had some finish this here and there, but nothing likethis before and I've known sort of internally, Ifeel a top teer player, but having a result to validate. That is a bigchange. The other fun thing for next year is I'm going to have the wimmwestinvitation Al Championship Mat that I can telltherthe imiation factyou mayave thejyeah, that's right. I mean it really was like just such aninternational tournament. I mean we looked at kind of the participationacross the world and to be as consistent as you were over the courseof for tournaments, and then the invitational is really very impressiveto me. So once again, just congratulations, and so we kind of lookat the the big picture with the limitless overall and kind of theonline tournament format. As it stands now, we probably won't have for a whilein person tournaments and so kind of give me your thoughts on this onlinelandscape. Do you think this is something that limitless should attemptagain? Do you think that you're going to start doing more, like pokemon stuff,where they are hosting the tournaments, like? What do you think about just thisonline landscape and do you enjoy it? Do you not it kind of give you athoughts? Your question, I start by saying I definitely am abetter player online, because I have more experience. I played for probably a year or twostrictly online how to build decks. I weaened what wasmeatow? What wasn't you know? The new sets would come outand I'd slowly sort of get the hang of it and when I finally started buying cards,I felt like I was already probably an above average player tra, but my skillsin person were just way behind there's a lot that goes into organizingyour cards and shuffling and keeping track of your hand and the onlinesystem. Does that all for you, when you search your deck, it has everything,sort, O pocompnent trainers and then energy. So you can check your prizeslike a minute. You can't do that fanning throughrandom card of Jack of sixty cards, like it's a completely different skill and keeping trackin interactions, whileyou're manually, you know, keeping track of which abilities you've usedand then manely calcating damage. I mean it's, you have five times as manythings to think about playing in person, so I'm still learning to boptimize thatand get better online is kind of my sweet spot where I feel comfortable. 'Done it enough that it's it's second nature. So I'm thinking entirely aboutthe game and not about any of these other mechanics going up. So the other thing, with deckless being public ads, anentire new strategyel yeah these pournaments. I could know exactly whatoptions my opponent has to play and I think one of my strength as a player isanalyzing all the different possible. You know responseeis that my oppinentmight come up with and then make Ko contingency plans for those and whenyou know theyre exact sixty you can do that extremely precisely, and so youknow whan, you can make an aggressive play and there's no chance to begetting punished, and then you can also know what are theodds that they're going to take a returnnack out here? Do I need toprepertize about a tacter making all those calculations and probabilities issomething I'm good at so the I'nline game and knowing the deck list is inflating my performance in this. But that be said, it's really fun. Ithink, if we're going to do this for like really big money prizes, we needsomething with less bugs and more support from the parent company. That'slike a highlight for me is this is not good enough for or seriouslycompetitive gameplay it works for what it is. Everyone just gealt with the bugs it'sone game, one in Meleser spinals bracket for me, which I is terrible,but we didn't know Awhaut the bug. No one was playing black market worsAMAZENTA. So how would you know that that's going to cum, I played yorotypgames with the card. It's just it's inevitable that that happens atpoint, which...

...is a shame now, but if it cost somebodya twenty five housand dollar championship, title that's unacceptable, so I think it'll still be a thing kindof on the same scale that it is now. I hope it continues. I know liilist wastalking about me need again. I think there's some merit to doing this. You know maybe an offseason like awayfrom any IC world championship season, something else to get hyped about andplay online. Definitely for the next couple months.It's going to continue to be a thing which is good. It's a lot better thannothing but long term. There's potential that needs to berealized with probably a whole new program from scratch, and I knoweveryone's talking about that. I'm not holding breath if anything is probablyyears down the room, but if pokeman wants to get serious aboutbeing, you know competitive with the othercard games and doing an online system right, there's a huge market for it.That's that's one of the takeaways yeah no kidding okaying yeah that you somany people and it's you know. Technically. This is a grassroordsevent the whole way through so yeah yeah. You got to keep it all inperspective as well. That's that's awesome, though we talked, I feel likewith a lot of different people over the last few months, bouttheas with Tcgo,and I feel like you've had a very nuance take on it m re with more in dept information. Ifeel like that. We've gotten with most of our guests so far so, and maybe that's because you've been anonline player through and through Yeaco, but that was really cool to hear thanks,awesome yeah. So I agree, I think you know. ProbablyTCGO is the way to go for now. I really like the idea of doing something likethat in that naic world gap period, a yeah that would be super fun. I alwaysfeel like have period super awkward, it' yeah for people that already youknow, they're qualified n versus the people that didn't like here in ittitly different words, yeah. That's right, you actually oner very cool, so you know coming off inthis win. You had a lot of success over the course of various differentqualifier tournaments. You know someone sees this and maybe they don't they'vehad similar experiences in real life, where you know they're tipping awayfinishes but haven't had that big break through. Yet what would yourrecommendation be to them? I would it be a like a testing element. Would itbe like a deck choice? How would you? How would you relay your success andways to replicate it yeah? I question that's something Ihaven't thought about too much. For me, this is my fun outlet. Work is stressful and variable and, to be honest, there's a lot of monthsthat I don't like my job, but it's just part of my training. I know what I wantto do on term and I'm not there, which is like frustrating yeah. So cokomon islike a purely fun outlet. I see people get stressed, which I understand abouttrying to Meta game trying to get the perfect deck. I think it's helped me to sort of be alittle bit more casual about it, which is kind of ituitive, but what I mean by that is you shouldplay decks that you enjoy playing. You should be constantly optimizing productand changing it and modifying it. Not only did you know o get the rightconsistency and the right text and matchup spread, but also it's a youknow, adjust for your own personal place. Tite like never take a list online and say this is something that I can't change. I always change four cards just becauseI'm playing a couple rounds and saying I need more Bulsearch, I'm going totake this out and not using this car and just adjust as you go continually like I'm doing that process for weeksin advance. So over the course of a tournament. I end up with decklas thatweird, but I know every card in there is for because I built it yeah an thatthat allows you to play your deck optimally because you put ittogether and you put the thought behind. The other thing is, someone has a goodidea for attack or a paspened inclusion, or something that swings a matchup likethrow it in. I black market was fantastic won me the game againstAswoll Buger Nobug, and it was the perfect card for thatmatchup, and that was the only matchup that Ley straggling. So just keep an open mind about youknow trying stuff out, and if you have a last minute idea,just it's a game, an you're having fun just throw itg in there and then doyour best with each individual hand. I think you naturally get better themore you play, so I felt like a dramatically different player. You knowover the last couple of years, but like slow accumulation of getting mor skillsas you go along and listening to how other people talkabout the game.

Reading article from good players seehow they think about building decks, how they think about playing matchups.All of that just sort of seep in your brain over time to the point where youmake better decisions and game, there's, definitely things that I think of nowthat could swing a game or swing a matchup that I wouldn't have eventhought of to, and that comes from just enjoying thegame and paying attention to people, something that stuck with me from liketwo years ago. I think it was sea gir did an interview for with Tourd about deck building.andtowards said if you play ten games with a deck in Parafet, if you play tengames and you're, not using the once, take it out for consistent as like areally simple tip, but if you're I took that to Hert, and I alwayslooking for wasted space in my deck and looking to cut things out and againoptimize if a DEC, if a card is really important,then you're going to end up playing the for Spiri Tom. The cards that I wasreally wanting were Papor said I could promote something with feeyour treatand then draw munchs cards and e see what play was correct. So having a seonone in there was huge having the extra great ball. I've always wanted an extraspiri Tom, an Exar, something on the first hurn being able to great ball.For some random thing is t fine. You just take something useful. Then Yoquit ball. Whatever you didn't find it, I so having two of those, as was reallynice, just to be all the set up caus. So that's that's my advice. I guess isprobably a long winted answer, but thank for yourself and have fun and you'll get better as time goes on. Ifyou ove the game and you people, you learn as you go, then you'll just yo keep in better.Definitely no, I think that's a that's a great answer and I definitelyappreciate your sentiment that you know you should be enjoying yourself. Whileyou play this game, I feel like sometimes people get lost in the sauceand and in the end I feel like when you stop enjoying yourself, you startlosing anyway, absolutely yeah. You know you get more and more upset and,and things go to crap, tap fat, CRA, Liy, terrible decks that I really enjoy,and I do better than when I play the quote best deck in format and I hateplaying Ityeah. Maybe that's pogative bias, but I alsothink o when you're having fun you're more engaged in the game, and you thinkI'm more things so sure something to it sure sure that's great advice. So it'sat this point in the cast that we usually open up to questions from thechat. So if anyone has a question for Kevin, we would love to ask him now and Cashman says if not forspirit toom or there any other decks that you are considering for theinvitational question cash. I love that guy he's oneof those guys that just has so much fun playing and he's really into what he'sinto so he's a cool dude. Anyway. To answerthe question, I was honestly considering control in untimed online format. It'sreally strong, but I didn't do it because I don't like playing control. The other thing I was considering was probably going back to dragonpolds,but it just the same thing scared me off ofit as it didn't qualifier fors. You can't bead a good pekarost and I think,that's still probably true, even with towards superconsistent version.They'll, just then' one shot you at some point in the new Ese Yeah Com. We have CFS eleven says, waseveltful in the list for a specific matchup or was it there just for you know: Takin knockouts, the Tomcouldn't get. You mentioned that obviously the Yuveltal is going to begood. If you can poke into a dragon poll vmax and then followeit up withthe GX attack, did you ever find yourself using veltal and any othermatchup? Oh Yeah, Oh yeah C lots of matchups teveltos there to be the bestpart of the deck. That's a good answer that S. that'specific reason for so this is something I've talked aboutin like random yutube comments over the last couple days and I'm thinking about just writing outin particle or like Wenthe list or somebody, because there's won to get mythoughts down. You know in a way that's more concrete, but eveltal GX attack is way better andthe other ones that people play and this arcetype so bles afflin or themuzzle Pharamosa. They can take you a free prize at some point like which isnice, but they're, not taking an impactful Knacko you're, not taking abig threat off the board. So that's a huge difference. The really great thing about Eveltal is: You can take an act out to her toit in every GAMG. It's not hard. You go second and everymatchup other than like turrosation,...

...because they can't attack unturnd onebut vast Magori, matchups you're choosing to go second. Whenever theyleave active, you can either not go to Draki for a price which gives you theaggression advantage or if they leave something big up. You poke it for fortywith your spiritume and then you push you bolt o Lup and just digfor your spiritins. What great about that is now you have essentially a free,knockout and you're, not investing all of your damage counters into a newSpiri Tam. That's going to get o right so that second turn of the game isreally important. With Eveltul, you can take a huge knockout tag: team of gmax,a big GX ASASHNV, whatever they left up there and you get two to three Spirtums on the bench and start building spite, and once you get that momentumswing, you have attacters for the whole Leeking, you don't need Nilego, youdon't need Crag, anall or anything weird. You just need spir teams thatBlake Day hitting to twenty damage with the one prizor plus zigzagon pricks andtraing, like you're, going to win every match up. If you just set those up andgiving up two prizes with eveutal, isn't a big deal when you have you knowyour two attackers set up now in the bench really, you know you 're going to use jinks totake damage couners off of the eveltal and then just you want all of yourdamage spread out on the bench. So Heu can't get rid of it, and then you canswing for hundred and sixty post out of nowhere every turn for the rest of thegame. That was my experience with hevoltal. Iused every single round, one of the invitational. I actually won my round one hustle beltplay on the VELTOL. I had to bench it early because I had research, as myopening draw supporter turn an he gusted it up and hit it for thirty thinking. He didn't want to get teasedthe game to. I beat him with He. You know the forty absored vitality andthen do come, so he says I'm going to Gess it up early, I'm like now, youcanknow what you don't got that I throw alsome belt on there. I jinks up to ahundred fifty dam and then do absor vitality for heeol hundred an D. sixtythat's AU s, Mao Nasty, it's the perfect hardto counter Gagpo in the matchups, actually really terrifying without it. So you think you treatin three prizesfron, you just win, but it's really hard to pull Kanbo off twice they're,taking out all your vivits and support Pokim on you can't bench, the SPEERIteam early, like you, can in every other matchup. So you really. Youactually need that round to I faced Bluke cetalsation andI won both games. I use Dume Col both games, the first one was against a Frian, can luke metal. So I put two damagepounters on my spirit, Tume to do seven and it droppe down to forty after edamage, dreduction and then I did dom count for three prizes on the next term. Sand ow he's got to try to step anothertackor he's way behind t I the BI street game over at that point, the other game.He set up hi Setian first and he took a prize with it, but I was ableto poke it for forty and then do count Mesatian. He didn't have another tackerBoll, so he had then had to spend two turnsgetting his luke metal powered up because he invested all his rialyenergy and you know metal patches into vhisation,and so I just if eltals, a really aggressive card,which is weird to say, but it is in this archetype. It just cyneratizeswith the rest of the deck tiper. Well, the third ground was on stream. I wantto go back watch that onteliilist channel DPSATION and it won me thethird game he left his ATP active turn one. So Ipoked it for pretty doom counts that he couldn't use ultimate rat any point and then hepries all his metal patches. So we couldn't set up a attectin attack, so yeah e Alta won me all three gameday one and then it didn't come into play against mirror or my specific games against Iswol itdidn't, but it could have so sure sure that's great that's a great overview ofthat card and I think there are a lot more uses than the average person wouldexpect. I mean honestly n when you were talking about you, know. Okay, I wouldhit it specifically, for you know forty they're active with spirit to him M.that's a play that I wasn't really even thinking of you know. I haven't hadthat come up too many times in my gameplay, but that's brilliant. Youknow you would actually like you know. If you had to attach a rainbow. Maybeyou don't build spite that turn and just hit it for forty, and then you canbring up the Vela. You know Therre. Just little plays like that, where it'slike kind of counterintuitive to what you think that the real winning play isto do the rainbow built pight and then Jinks it to your benchw image. Then youcould ther Yo Goi did that mygame to again and the commentator for Wat isgetting for less damage. This doesn't...

...make any sense. I'm like I'm not tryingto hit to twenty men just forte's good and he was able to Guss around my blackmarket game and a Bos them that was the right play so yeah and now you have deamage counters on the bent. You need damage counters on the bench. It's notsmall issue. That's right! I mean you really like. I think some people thinkthat Spiri tum is kind of this agro deck and it has that element to it,especially when it's pretty easy to knock out like a Geraci, but all told like you just are playing thelong game because the longer the game goes on the more damage counderts, youcan build up the more you can build up your board presence, the greaterchances of winning, and you just outline that very well. So that'sthat's. Why ifelt twos good is it's your essentially lead, Atactor ortechnically, second attacker sure, but it yeah the Realy Dame attacker to putpressure on, and then you build up all your other tackers for the rest of thegame. It's hard to cycle spiritams really really hard yeah. No, that Oalymakes sense. Yep You taid extra turn to build that spite and get a bunch ofdamage counters on your bench cool. So we have one other question andthen we can probably wrap it up and you can give your shoutouts cashman comingin with one more asking: Are there any other new tax you'd recommend to Addinsfor Spiritum? So maybe something for the mirror or yeah misslanous matchupthat you didn't account for in your first SCO, so people are tecing again Spiri Tamnow and it's not hard to tect against, because it's basic or sorry special energy, singleenergy ors. So as my beck loses to shuckle Gx, teloan person, gx and Zircitrgx, those are easy one of text for a lot ofthings. So you can counter all of those. With one card play shadow box Minmacou,you already play Zixigun, so you drop a damage counter on it. You Turn Ye biltyoff N Forto, twenty, like you, wouldn't so you kind of have to play that now,which is annoying because it's not going to be useful all the time. Iguess it wins you maybe Mu to and mew fou three is still around for whateverreason, but you sort of have to play that now.People are playing basic energies, but that doesn't really do it for you,because you don't have any way to search and Bridian would just be likethe orse thing ever for the deck so play play shadow box if you're going toplay it to any of theu coming up and tournamentss yeah, that's the Propem,and then you get into the weird loo, where now they're going to play likestealthy hoods, and you have to play tool scrapper the classicaanbots yeah a little bit ofpushing poll there until the decks end up both being horrible, and you just goback to spar somtiatually like rartawesome Kevin. It's been awesomehaving you you've had a lot of really awesome insight, really neuonsctopinions. I think all of our listeners and viewers will be really happy tohear all the things you have to say. Is there anything that you want to shoutout or call out as we wrap up today? Yeah? I guess I got a couple. I've been shouting out. limmalesspeople us for putting ot such a great event. I had a lot of fun, it wasn'tworlds, but it was definitely an xbest thing and, I'm being honest, I probablywouldn't have won worlds, and I won this one. So I guess I'll take it as annet minute shout up to my testing partners,friends, brayd and Mallen. Just frandom guys hat met playing on line, and thenwe ended up going to some regionals together, they're, pretty cool. That's last one is I'm going to startstreaming at some point so look out for that. I tried doing it once ind, mycomputer H, internets terrible, so I'm gang UPFRAD. Those then try again, butit's going to be fun. I think I'm going to enjoy talking as I play ininteracting with chat if threre's ever a chat, but keeping out for that. Iguess in the next couple weeks once I buy a computer because I have the money,I'm just really cheap me too man jwis the king of being chie, so worindred spirits on that for sure. Well, you got to get the new egg deals tooyeah yeah exactly exactly well good. We, lo?U Tregional Jo my DC cause to cheap to by Ayeah that I mean you're talkingright to me, broyoure talking right so good. Thank you again Kevin forjoining us. We wish you all the best and future pokemon and streamingendeavors yeah, and congratulations once again o appreciate it has reallyfun to Havin. He soarch, I don't seeyou guys Looni. Thank I nice to meet you nice to meetyou more officially, Aabsolutely, absolutely! Well! Everyone will catchyou all next week on the next episode of TAC team, this has been tag. Teamjoined by Kevin Kruger and we're signing out pace. Tell You.

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