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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 2, Episode 2 · 1 year ago

2-2. Koality Show

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

All right what ies up everybody welcomeback to tag Tean the POKEMON trading card games premier podcasting deal. Myname is Riley Hol writtnw, I'm joined by my good friend, JW crewall Gw, howyou doing today, good a mite very original man very original. Isthere any reason that you went for that particular greeting yeah? Well, I justwant to make sure we had a coality podcast today, oh okay, okay, now hit's actually funny, because Jwi swearthat your wife was just here a second ago and suggested you make those exactjokes, oh well, I do have to say that my wife Ann is a pretty big inspirationfor my humor, okay yeah wel. That's super cool man, really awesome stuffyou're doing it. USTOR like it's good, to have a counterpart that you canbounce ideas off of right and like that, you could sit down and talk with andYeah Yeah. We have this wid like working relationship and when it comesfo, my comedy where you know she'll give me some ideas. I'll you know giveher some ideas. Just this collaborative effort to bring you know my comedic.You know realizations to life right, and I mean it's certainly working foryou man, I got ta say like truly, truly excellent stuff. How to say I'm funniernow than I've ever been well for those of Yo are aut ofloop. Itis Australia internationals this weekend is it in Melvoure this year, Melbourne Mel Belbu Yeah. It's likeMelvin Melbourne, Thot Wer. It is, though, I believe it is not. Actually Ithink it's somewhere els. I me I don't know okay. Well, we just clearly don't knowwhere it is, but it Isot, Australia, so somehin. For some reason, Melbounedoesn't sound correct to me. Can you fact teck that yeah, I'm gonna, I'mlooking it up right now, it's in Melbourne, Thou. That was right. Ithink yeah, Wo Thousand and twenty, your literally gas lighting me okay. I was wrong. One time was it you who, like one time I likcame up with an idea and later on, you said that I didn't come up with it andthat was youidit. No! No! No. You did that to me over something, but I can'tremember someone also did that to me. I think maybe it was Beckat peers. I betit was Backin Becon gaslight me for sure. Well, either way we got the Melburninnnational chammpionship coming up and I mean it's going to be exciting. Thesort and shield set. Finally legal we've been talking about it for a while.Now, and certainly people have been testing the cars for a while as well. Ithink you should just start right in the thick of it right there. So if youwere in Melvun what would you be playing? What would your top threedecks be heading into this tournament? W NOT GOINNA lie dude. I'd, probablyjust pick ATPZATIAN. I feels sli. We Literally Spent Lik Tene an O. I forgotto do my warmups it di some raps Zasi, Anzasian Zasianoian, but Ezassian justjust hands out. I would play that deck. I think I'm just going to play it aslong as I can in this. You know in the Cup format that I have coming up, butit's just it's so good. It's so consistent! You can do a lot of things. You know you play pokmon catchers,that's a really fun card. It's not really countered that hard. By anythingI mean I feel, like you have a game plan and every matchup I just and it's pretty technabal again,we kind of talked last week about ther theyre, being you know, somewhere around fifteen cards that youcan play with to make it. You know ATP version or to make it the Lucario Mel Metal version or you couldplay energy switches or you can play vitality, bands and different stadiumsand all this stuff that you can change about the list to kind of suit it toyour Meta game. I just like the deck a lot. I really don't see myself playinganything else, especially after testing more with the standard format. I, likesome other decks. I think some other decks are very viable plays. But for me I would just tick ization Zasian,because it's so versale and just so incredibly strong wow, so Iaske for three decks, but you are foot on the break one deck and that'sabzasion. So I think you give a pretty good summary of what the strengths arewas acan. What are some things that, if you were to play the deck, might makeyou a little nervous or anxious or you be afraid to play against? That's a good question that I don'thave like a great answer to again. I feel like the deck can really overcomea lot of the format. There's one deck, that's kind of been rising in my mindrecently and that's realaboom...

...and with realaboom. I just would onlyworry about the gx attack of the Rallet Alonan executor, but even then it's notso bad. You can get around that if you can serve metal patches and things likethis, but I I don't know I mean maybe there's likean obstagle n deck. That would be tough, but again you have the catchers and thefeone, and you should be able to finess some things and I'm trying to just like list off somethings that I would be worried, maybe like baby bllisephlon, but you're,probably going to be more consistent than they are because you have apokemon that is just built an draw and they are playing somewhere betweenfourteen and sixteen fire energy. I only get one turn to whip, basicallyand really relying on welder for that deck too. You have a lot of different ways toaccelerate energy, so that is always going to be a little bit more helpful.But I don't nothing really comes to mindimmediately. I would say that is a huge counter to abusation. Okay, so nothing comes to mind right away, butwould you be concerned about playing either what is probably going to be themost popular deck or the most counter deck? You know? Maybe I mean I don't. I don't think so,though I really wouldn't it's just so strong, it's the strongest deck that Ifeel like I've played or had the pleasure of playing in a long time, andsometimes there's just going to be a best eckon format. Right, there's justgoing to be a Vdi. We saw that I think, back ten years ago, whereias likeLuxchop was Jaroa ormat and, like you either played it or you counted it, andeven if you countered it, even if you tried to play a counterdick like itstill didn't always beat, you know be your Lux Chop Right. Sojust that kind of it's very reminiscent to me of that. I feel like that. Deckis just like leagues above a lot of other decks and certainly stands outfrom the other. You Know Tier One deck, so I like it. I really would justsuggest players to play it, and especially for this first regional. That would be just the safest and noteven like the safest, in terms of in terms of like oh I'm, just trying toget s CP, but the safest for even trying to win the event. I feel likeit's just that good of a deck that you can go in comfortably with like a verystandard list that you've seen on any content. Creators, Youtube and kind of expect te make they to and makea decent run at, so winning the tournament yeah. I The deck, iscertainly very powerful. So you talked about those fifteen card slots that youhave, and obviously some of those go towards the ATP engine. What is yourlike flex, car as hone of the cards that you know, maybe not necessary thedeckfunctionality, but that you've personally found to be valuable and areworth including in the deck sure? Well, there's some math that you can fix with shrine. There's some math, that's alittle bit better with the vitality band. Zigzagoon is also a consideration, butthis is something you know just getting your extra damage. Modifiers, you cankind of choose to play, whichever ones o you youkow feel or are going to be best foryou. So those are those flex spots that I've really been kind of moreinterested in. So what are the ones that you'e settled on, at least at thispoint in time yeah. I think I do like at least one vitality band. I think itjust gives an extra layer of of dimension to Guzmahala, and I likehaving the shrines. Personally. Of course it does hurt your adps, butthat's not really that big of a deal since you're trying to force youropponent to go through an ATP and Twos astions yeah, it's cool, yeah, it's cool. Ithink I think you know I'd play like at least one vitality band, just to beable to get that clean two and seventy. You know on like a Mutu or Gar ChankyOrtina, ar the two that I'm kind of thinking, I'm trivin and dusnorsanother one that comes to mind immediately, and then you also havejust some chip damage to get at things like Pikaron that have the they have the giant charm attached. Just things like that, where you needkind of multiple terns of of damage, yeah for sure for sure I know, I'vebeen a big stand of the vitality van for a while now, but and for a lot of the same reasons thatyou said you know you get the clean, twoand, seventy, which for two reasons, that's important. Ithink, because godic well can kind of mess up your shrine plan and also, ifyou shrine the turn that you Ko you don't get the extrarprise which notevery matchup that matters if you're KTO tag teams doesn't matter. If youtake four prizes on the first one, but right if you're, trying to like Kaatag, team and then Caowa anongx or...

...something which is a pretty commonroute to win that getting an extra prize isobviously a superrelevant, so yeah, absolutely inof the vitality fan myselfabsolutely yeah. I mean, I think, we're kind of seeing a Meta shift away fromthe frying pan that was kind of an audo seemed like an auto inclusion. In theearly list. I've seen that kind of come out of a lot of decks for good reason.We haven't really seen much fire around fire. Is Fire had the the benefit, maybe lastformat of being this like really fast deck, compared to the rest of theformat compared to like atpkeldio or other decks of last format. But now,with the increase in speed of the format, fire just has been able to be matched by even just the average DEK. So right, OAdecent play like I'm, not saying, fires bad by any means, but I'm just sayingthat the frying pans maybe aren't like as necessary, because you're almostmatching speed with the fire decks right, yeah for sure the fire decks arenot as comparatively dominant as they were before. That is yeah without adoubt. True Right, since you only hade the one deck, I do share that one deckas my top spot, but some other things that I personally would consider, Ithink, abilities, are yut, either abilities ar door wilder MOU to areboth in pretty good places right now, actually not a big Fan of Mal Marmu toI know it's a good deck, but to meleaves lot to be desired. Just like something about the I flowsdoesn't quite work for me and I don't like how kind of got lowerdamage output an exchange for having that disruption. ASPECT, UT YEAH! It'sreally hard to one shot things with the Malamarmuti deck right, but I thinklike Weldermisso and you know just abilities- are- can easily get out ofthe gates and kind of overrun decks, and I think that that, like combination is really goodand an unknown forman right like we saw Robin. Do that exact thing at Laic,where nobody was talking out. Welers aren such a buillage shurt true, islike you know what a bolt is ar worked at worlds. It worked this quarter thatwe just finished, I'm going to play it atl I see, and it did eominally wellfor him. So yeah I mean it's funny though too it's like, I tried to play it and you knowbasically the same list. I think for a couple, cups and stuff, and I just fellflat on my face. I did pre, that's probably just because it' You're, sobad though right I mean that has something to do with it. I'm just kidding, but you know thosetexs. You know builes ar especially up the two can be uttermiss, but I thinkthey both have some some stuff. That's really good and appealing. I mean a Muto getting to turn to three hundred its obviously fantastic, especially whenATP is a thing in the format like ATP's worst enemy is getting kout immediately, so that that's obviously strong and youknow, abilities ard- can has infinite Gust, which is very oin, especially you know,especially when that mill deck is on people's radar. The victini plusninetalt Combo is pretty hard to. You know it's hard to find a betteracombination of cards against the Middle Teeck. Ten victini plusnitalssoright right now, how you know you say: Abilitys art ison your top kind of choices. What what what would you say to somebody? That'sconsidering playing like a wabafet in their deck to maybe be a pseudo counterto the victini? Is that viable? Have you thought about Wabafet as just kindof this soft counter at all? I don't think too many people will beincluding wob outside of like the millback because of you know,Dido and Typicoco and stuff, but yeah. I don't think why would be terrible inthis format, though, just because not really so much for abilities Zard, butit's also really good against Pekerom Soi, more so included for that, ifanything but sure I don't really like wob in general, I don't think it's thatgreat and usually the matchups that playwababilities are can kind of just plow through them anyway. So Yeah,interesting, interesting, I just feel like Wab is like perfect for thisformat. Just you have quickball again right. So it's an easily searchabletech basic. That would just be something that you know we haven'treally seen a ton of, but maybe could see a rise of that card. You knowheading into eading into Australia. Obviously,Pikarom is still a threat. There is this kind of rerise of fire, so Victiniis a threat, and so you know what I...

...think Wob is certainly something thatright we'll see. INAND quickball obviously was a huge boon to any ofthose. You know. One prize Benesitter is including APSOL, which saw tons ofplay even before Fokball, so yeah, you know, maybe that's the push that WAVneeded to really be a good. A good car is supposed to an okay card, becauseWhi was obviously good against teaground for a while, with the cabby up being it's likebasically impossible. We can't wap on to your bench yeah right, so you know maybe a little tradeoff you know. So maybe with that Caviat Gon, it'sactually a good card. You know who know that's true, that's true! That's rightwondering if HEU had put any thought into it. I mean this is just somethingthat I've been theorizing haven't really played it. You know in any decks,haven't really tested. It played it on the ladder anything like that, but itdoes strike me as again a card that we saw see a lot of play, maybe two for matsago, and I didn't see much playlast format and then now might be just onthat kind of comeup for a few other decks that maybe struggle with Pekronmaybe want to kind of have that soft counter to fire. You mentioned mill: How afraid of mill should the average player inAustralia b? I think mill will have a presence. Idon't think it's as dominant as it may have looked like it would have beenwhen it first appeared, and I think part of the reason for that is like anoptimized Sastioany paers Watchinat popist can andle it penty, well Pekeron geing kind of Runn ing off theboard. I think it's not going fast enough and you know, like abilities, are, canobviously go through it and even like Mal Marmou to can potentially justdisrupt it just enough to win a game. No yeah, I don't know like the Milldeck,it deserves respect and you shouldn' just ignore it, but I think it'll loseenough that it isn't like a tournament winning deck. Well. Okay, so when yousay it'll have a presence like give me your estimated metaw breakdown like howmany people do, you think would bring a mill or a stall type deck, not even noteven Sinchino I mean. Obviously Sinchino is the hottest new stallMilldeck, but I mean I'm even thinking Lik, I ge Touchi or pigy or dolls.Something like that. How many people do you think will bring some type ofdeckout strategy to OCIC. I don't think a ton will, but I thinkit'll be enough of a presence that you could easily hit one in either of yourdays and I do think a fair amount will probably make de to like the Mildick isgood. You know, I just don't think it's like a tournament winning deck as Fart.I hate to like pinpoint exact number, because it's really hard to predictthese, like first tournament metagames, especially one that's also in a foreigncountry which might have a different attitude towards mill, but I think I think you could veryeasily see one on both of your days of this tournament. It's SRURE say sure:okay, cool yeah. I like that. I like that what what are the best tects toplay for formill, both in mail just to counter the general metagame and then, if you're, playing a deck that you wantto try to beat mail? What I mean, we've talked a little bit about these typesof things, at least what you can play to beat milllike in the last episode, but just maybe a quick rundown of those againfor somebody that maybe didn't listen. Last week. Sure I think the key formost x is going to be having the right amount of gust. ACHAN AP can get away with playing justpokmon catchers, because they only need to knock out basically two more things,because usually they'll be able to sneak a knockout before the dolls comeup right and especially if they need to haver a rangorer, that's suprizes, soright, there's actually anp can really justget there with four catchers, like other decks, might need to play even more August options tofeasibly beatmail or just have like some disruption aspects to them. Likeeven t a good Marni can really just slow them down at turn, which sometimesit's all you need. I you know I almost feel like not a lotof decks can really tack or changes or strategy a ton to bea it it just it almost to me feels like yourdeck. Can either beat it or it can't just beux on the sixty cars that youhave are like you know just based on the engine that you're running in yourdeck, you can either beat mill, or you cannot sure sure so you wouldn't say tolike somebody, who's stressing about mill to try to tech for it because itmight be futile, and you might not see that many of it right. I mean at leastto me: There's not a lot of things. You can realistically tech to actually makeyour matchup better, like feons, already in a ton of decks to, and it'sobviously good to get around dolls, but they just play a few dollrs in theirbanch and all of a sudden, your feon is useless. I mean one little thing you can do ifyou're, if you just want like an...

...incremental edge, is absol can actuallykind of like throw them for a little bit of a loop, sometimes sure startlike a ation or something can put down in apsole an it's kind of hard to getout of the active and absolul generally useful. But yeahI mean there's not like oit's, not like it doesn't really do much, but it'sjust something: Yeah Yeah there's just like not a time you can really do like.I don't think resource management really helps you, but you can try it just to get likecatchers back yeah we had talked about. We had talked about last week in theWELDERMUTU that, if you're playing the mad cargo might not be, you know itwould be at least something to consider playing a Beloba of your own to justmill eight cards towards the end of the game, which is pretty you know we weretalking about how difficult that would be as a millprior to get around the AGcard mill, and so that's something thot consider as well yeah. I definitely think that couldstill beat mil very consistently if he did that sure sure most like if youthrow a Alba in a deck that doesn't play somewha additional like discardoutlet ty cards, I so easy to play aroundespecially anabest of three so yeah. Exactly we have somebody here sayinggraft rig again, like draft rig, if you're playing against a good mailplayer- and we talkd about this last week on the on the cast, but if you'replaying agaist a good mal player and they know that you're playing draffringthey're going to play around that fairly easily. Additionally, withGeraff Rig, there's just a ton of the same supporter, so you could go in andbe like. Oh yeah, I got you know, I lost oon two of their belevas. Well,they still have two remaining in this right. So like it's good like it's good in theory, Ithink in practice it maybe falls a little bit short just because of thehigher ccounts of these. You know strong supportersthat that you know at least Sencino Mil plays right, yeah and if you're, if youhave you, if you have stuff like draft reg out, then you have this weird scenario where, like they can resource management aslong as you're attacking with your affreg and prevent you from lawsettinganything relevant Chirps, here kind of forced to attack- and you know, thenthey just go back to their strategy. And I see I someone in check callingout. You can play a Rangr and not take a prize and just take the tie. That's not a good option in y opinion, becauseif they play a magnatin, you lose instantly with that strategy. So ifyou're going to play a ranger to try and beet me Nouh, I think you'd more souse it to try and reset your catchers and get more gust out and act. I Wenright, you wouldn't use it to stall. You would actually use it to try toaggress more right exactly and we've people are already playing stuff. Likeyou ask about text that milk and play for the general field, one of those texis stuff like a Mannaton to get around strategies like that and also to Brainfard here, but they can also playthe night town in the mirror to get the Belevas and and also put themselvesahead on the or behind it guess and the prize race yeah they ci start usingsurge in the mirror right right. So I guess, if you're playing mill, youshould definitely play a totwo line of magnatin. Well, if you're going to do that, youjust play electrogx right yeah! That's true! That's true! THAT'S RU! So I think- and I think, if you playelectricgx plus a Magnazon you've gone too far, so you Hav to Stilk y top yeah. We did not approve approve of that of sacramicing threebreath just likin the mirror. That would be funny, though, so I guessI guess I do approve it. Oh just for thet men yeah, becauseThatu be pretty funny. Well Al Yah tell you what tell you what we will approveof it. If you make, you know a to with the deck, but if you don't, then youdidn't hear it from us. Dere gage call you outn Shat, you canjust loop with ordinary, had with a one ane, usually Bofore, just like themagnatime. But if you play the MAGNA Mite, you can loop them with thehordinairy Rit keep knocking them at, but than Dort. You get to the eventualend state where, where you're your poduct of both playedby Magnatans, neither now you're trying to go for the one Prie, the one Knackowith therangroom. That's probably what would happen rightlike yeah, that's so Gad, I'm wondering if there's like a if there's like a oneenergy fire attacker that could just like sneak a knockou yeah, it would come down to like crushingcamera flips at that point right because you're both trying to attachthe Aranger over and over maybethats horrible, or I guess youcould attach with Thi you could tack with Sinchito Adler with the Plat...

...okay. So the mirror you have to playone one magnizin and up with Sepl Angax, and then you win yeah, it's it's sobroken. It's so broken t' such a simple convou. Let's move off a stall Riley, what aresome decks that you feel are either under the radar or maybe haven't beencovered as much as you know, the Tier One deck that we've outlined the lastcouple weeks. What's like a sleeper pick for you heading in to Australia,you kind of already alluded to it, but I think rulaboom has more potentialthan I initially would have given it. Credit for the deck seemed kind ofleamed here at first, but I think it has a lot of good things going for it.You have the infinite gust on he snavy store, obviously not impenent, butclose enough. You know you can guss six times for sure, which is Great. You have a lot of goodcx attacks with the. If you play cello store, you can use that against mill. Idon't even think you really need it. You also have snagvy store for spreadagainst, like Malmar type stuff. You can also you see obvious Cambo of a Littl, anexecutor and Rallet, which that' six energy gsattack is very, very strong,and that's what that's what I think it presses me most about the real boomdack right. You can just either revolve up to rilbooms or slowlycharge up a rallet over two turns, and you know N, if you, even if you sack acouple prizes to get to that state. If you a lot of decxs like cannot dealwith all their energy being shopled in one O, obvious example, that is PegeromPetrom, I think, is a little good versus the Relaboum deck just becausethey can put on so much fairly pressure. But if Trit, if the real boom deck getsto the point where they can get off that Jxtec, I think thot theres winevery time, yeah yeah, which is crazy sure, and so that really meanspekerramis like one turn to really aggress and figure things out. So Ithink that's really good. Additionally s just like generallyTanki it's so I like it. I don't know, I think it's a cool deck. I know yeah.I know you like it as well yeah. Well, the boom has good matchups against ATPright ATP affords the realboom deck of the time to set up you know, especially if you're able togo first with Realaboom, then you can get some things down and you know againas long as you can get that that Gx attackoff for with six energyon the Rallit alongan egg, then you're good right. They Nou just sweep, andthen they can do some things by like resetting your hand and like if theyhave enough metal patches left. But it's usually doesn't work out that way,because you can marny them first, and you know things like that, they canjust have awkward hands, but I'm generally matchup to be prettyfavorable and like considering that the best deck is a favorable matchup. Ithink that brings a lot of viability to relaboom. Just I mean for that fact alone. So Ithink there are some questionable there are some questionable matchupswith it. I look to again, like you said, Pikarom, which can just outaggress,although you do end up winning in the light game and you get there if you getthere and one other deck that I found is actually a pretty bad matchup bforthe for the rillaboom deck is traven a Dusnor Malamar ind is just Ou. Theyremove your hand. You find yourself with not enough resources to use. Youknow your Malloand Lanas and it just gets kind of funky. If you aren't ableto get you know see, I almost like don't even agree with that, because Ifeel like if you can get a real boom set up and a big charm on an egg. Thenyou trade so favorably into them, Youtus, because they don't do enoughdamage to to shot you. Well I mean they can always usesomething else. That's not you know, that's not the that's, not the treven it dusmor. Ah,but then you have cards in your hands. That's pretty epic Ye, but if they use it, let's say theymarty you and then they marn you down to three or something so you're. Onlygoing NA have like a four card hands, I mean well you're not going to play a Jasssporter or something at all. Ever like yeah. No, I mean in my head I'am, notplaying a drossporter. Do We? So we just play this tern byturn by how we pucture it happening like anthe thing with Realaboom, though,is that you do want this kind of larger hand right your ideal hands or just bigger you're, trying toamass all the resources that you can and so having some shuffled in after aMarni can really lead to dead hands. Very often I find like, since you needso much of your deck, to be the rilaboom line to be the grass energy Yo,you have less space for the consistency cards, t from that other decks can play,and so you have less consistency as soon as you get down to those low handsizes, you can really be kind of...

...screwed out of the game by just nothaving the resources right to ro. I mean I guess I like agree and disagree.I just feel like Mutu, isn't putting a lot of damage pressure onto you whilethat's happening, so you can use that time to you know to shot them whilethey're three shotting you and hopefully dig out some resources inthat time frame. Sure and that's like how you would win. I just think that,generally speaking, it's not a favorable matchhup. You know it mightbe closer to even than I'm thinking of but fror my testing I've seen that it'spretty unfavorable for the realaboom deck and that might just be coming. Youknow then, might come down Tho list. Then I come down to jare playing asurge in your list. Man. You know, I don't feel like you have no right tosay anything about anythinges. I feel like I feel like you have noright to make any statements about the deck Anlik Oorwell OKAYSO. Then, ifyou're saying that that rellaboom is you know as good whatare kind of your matchups that you're thinking it beats out right and whatare some of the matchups, the ear thing that maybe it has a harder time againstyeah. I think it's pretty good against, like one prizes malmardecks. I thinkit's good against, like Sashi ADP, I think ias a goodmatchup, more or less. I think that, like all mountmor matchups are prettydecent, it's really Pikaron that I'm scared of-and I think that's probably MPRAMAN firedex.I guess which- and we just alluded to firedecks,increasing and popularity, which is very scary, because you just can't beatthem so yeah wwyeah. You have no ou yeah like even if play something stupidlike a weakness card energy like that's not going to get you there, becausefirst time you hat to find the week discor or Chee, which is a monumentaltask of itself, and then you have to alsor of surviveanyway, because they can all like do three hundred damage, so sure sure Ithink any deck that ralexator either gets time or can tank hits off of iswhen it's good. I think that's like the general summary of what it's a gooddack, because you again it kind of suffers from this same kind of weakness: weakness that ATP does whereyou're just kind of going up with a with a GA three prize, Gx, stag teamand passing you know, t that's kind of whatwe say about about Eightyea Weve, Wenst, laminating peope for that for months, greaht, exactly exactly so. In any case, interesting deck kind of adark hourse. Is there anything else that you kind of feel is under theradar or maybe is ready to break out into a deck t? That will see a lot ofsuccess. I mean for me one deck that I think of is obstagone. I don't love thedeck that there's a what's that the goods man, the Gaes, maybe the gonisthere's a lot of plaws with thagoons, but there's some inherent strengths.You look at abstruct and just how strong that is, and you have a sweeperpokemon and sable ive you're able to get enough damage counters down, and isthat a deck that you think people have solved? And if so, do you think thatthere will be any making day to that? The way you said any ther made itsound like Ito'd, be a monumental feat. If one did so, I think you've kind ofalluded to your personal. I last week, that's all I'm saying yeah right, like I will say eve commenting on this in our groupChet. I I've seen a ridiculous about of people in verbank and stuff justtalking about how fraid they are Ofoustan, which to me is very, veryfunny, like you, don't need to discuss all these texts to be obsticl. I feellike that should not be your first priority right right, but yeah I mean I'MJ Gin stot suffersfrom some obvious mainflaws, for example, it takes two turns to power up,no matter what and that's with the rare candy involved. So that's not great hod ideal, not ide, not fantastic, Imust say, and then they can always catcher around it, which you know it's not. I feel like that's not as badas requiring the two turns, and if you don't get a hood on it, thenfeelon just destroys you. So you need to get your hood down as well. Obviously I think it has potential justbecause it can take random Otto wins if you happen to like set up the boardstate that you're looking for, but even then like one of the obviousbasic. Only decks in this format is going to be sash. An ATP only playsBasic Bo Mono attack with so I've struck. Pretty good attack problem withthat is ash. ADP can very easily take the first knockout before you get anobstacle ampowered up and then at that...

...point they only need to Guss twice andthey win because they take two prizes for every knock ount, so it just likeit gets into a problematic state pretty quickly. I could definitely see likeone or two making day to, though just because people like this deck, forwhatever reason sure, is there a way to play it. That would ensure that youonly have like one hokemon remaining on the field being an obstagon that canjust obstruct he so that there's no potential for gust or that the onlythings on the bench are dolls. I I mean you can definitely get close tothat. I don't think there's a reliable way in the format to clear your bench,at least not that I can think of and like I'm, even I'm not even talkingabout like a card that can clear a Bedch, but I'm just more saying likelike Casialy at that board. State Yeahea, like I don't know like if inthe weird thing is to like you, basically have to keep adbanch thingjust in case unless your opponent, like jams, are banch full of you know nonevolution Pokmon, but thenyou know. If you have dolls on your bench, they can there's always thepotential where they could poke. My catcher pull up a doll, Fok er, mycatcher again pulle the ofstage and knock it out, and then you just lose soI guess jeave O hi's excile. Thank you chat there. It is, I wouldn't be acomvert ther there freakit is fucing. Have we just broken the formal, becauseI mean that'spretty, good right, yeah yeah, if you're able to just get oneobstagon up, obviously cost two energy or a countergain right. I think friend,if we have the counter game and then they can, they can fee out. You that'strue. Well, but then you just discard your dolls or whatever right I mean yeah but like if they feed they can like feeoncatcher is what I would be afraid of yeah you know, but if you don't have abench, how are they going to Bo allright? Justdon't have a bench at all. You also, I'm pretty sure you can only. You can only discard the dolls from theactive so like it think yeah Petetaly when you get itall set up and then knock out your last poke on hey you promotoll, all yourputtem, all in the Bott, Backi Guess An. I guess I feel like if you do that. ManLike whatever dude thor a logend, it's just so ridiculously unsafe- toleave yourself in that situation, where you only have like one Tokabouf, thepet yeah yeah and that's I mean that's kind of the problem with Obstagon orwe're saying where it's just like. Well, a lot of these decks just have softcounters to it. You know all the gusting is not like intended for obstace, buteven if obstagle gets up like the near Perfect Board, state decks likeAtpsatian or decks like Ptron Atpsasian or next, like Ron have away around it like right round it. Youknow so, maybe maybe not so good anything else. That's on your radar, Imean not really like bloud. I think its kind of fallen offour tearlist a little bit but yeah. I don't think it's like to the we'vealready talked about it a lot and I don't think it's really enter robeterritory. I do think there will be something like new and interesting thatcomes out. There always seems to be especially atthe ICEES. There's, always like a weird deck. That's never seen again after theIC, but I personally can't think of what that would be, and my favoriterogue deck is the relebant deck sure sure go well. I wish everyone that goes toAustralia. The best of luck. I mean you're- probably already there by now,if I hope so, but yeah best of luck to everybody thatthat is going- and I can't wait to watch- should be a really really fun,yeah, really really good time. Let's shift a little bit for the last. Youknow fifteen minutes here to expanded sryly you kno. I know that you've donea little bit more testing and expanded since the last time that we've talked,which is great because you are going to Consville. I am not, but I have beendoing a lot of expanded as well and I think we're coming to some. You knowopinions on the expandif Fo Mat. That was aninteresting way to say that not in a bad way, not an I'm just youknow. Sometimes we have differing opinions on things you know, so I an tosay that, as as diplomatically as I possibly can, but what are some of thethings that you're finding with expanded and what are you liking? Whatare you hating? What do you think is viable that wasn't before? Does anything new come out of SORD andshield that you really enjoy just kind of Givi me your thoughts on expandednow that you've done a little bit more testing in this one right. I...

I think the first thing that I wasgravitating towards was new, interesting things from sort and field,so the two I'm thinking of are Stralax v,Max playing it more like Mekariqueza and Zashian, without ATP, just peersochian with delmies to get that extra damage. So those ware, the first twothings I kind of built and ran with the very first sec I played was Ashian andI was pretty impressed by how it worked. It was very smooth and fast, and thefact that S Aushian can offset go going first is huge, is amazing, it's so niceand I started get it. I E started, including Zauhin and like evolution,BAS DEX, like snorlax. For that very reason, the problem I have a Ausian andbasically the only problem I have was Ashi an is that it has a really roughtime against one prize deck and there's not really a great like attacker to use against themeither. So, particularly I'm thinking like Olceanacrossmo they're, gettingdown sile ABS, already kind of sucks for you and then they're hitting you they're,just catting energy, Whith sucks for you and, like you, can't attack twicein a row, so IV thought aout playing Zama Anta just to like help a littlebit because you cand attack twice. But even then it's like the discardn. Theenergy, I think, actually is really unfortunate, es, Ashiton and even stuff like DiogaGx, which obviously helps it's and I've been playing a diavgx. Ever since Ipicked up the deck, it's like the Daggat doesn't have a great way tofollow up after you time list. So you need like a lot of cars in hand toConbo with it and, like the whole time, you're getting your energy knocked offbythe stupid ocan across fus. So I like the deck I just don't like it: Smash UpVersus Single Prize decks, sure. Well what what single prize decks are there?I think of Valtrenacross men is Thi Crosm, okay and Youso? Okay, so youthink that that would be reason enough to not play the deck yeah and that wasgoing to be e. The thing I went to y: U Next Day I wasgoing to talk about small x, but but like the firs, the first andobvious one price stack would be Balthon acrosmy. It's was very goodlast format and it continues to be good. This format- and I almost like just like it more than Idid before. I don't know if I a's just because the engines have been smoothedout a lot or if the EK is better in he swormat than it was before. But I meanthe hundred D. Seventy and the knocking anergy is, is really really frustratingte deal with, especially on a one prize attacker. It can pretty handly dealwith a lot of the multifries attackers in the format and just godshots all thelike non gx tackers in the format with one seventy damage. So I like that tikea lot and that's probably actually my favorite deck in the format right nowand desinpite of all the cool new things that have come out of the lastset yeah yeah. It's pretty interesting because you know o you don't have a great turn.One right. You don't have any like ability based of draw. You do probablyplay a lale or something like that. Just for that consistency, but you owyou're not really playing the denny you're, not really playing. Shame, andyou know I feel, like the format, is kind of trending. At least for me. TheWay I've been trying to conceptualize decks is built around having at leasttwo dedene and at least two shamand to be a and like for quick ball and acertain count of ultraball to be able to make sure that I have those turnones that aren't embarrassing. You know where I can get. You know at least aboard presence established after my first turn, going first with the new supporter rule. Thatobviously makes it a lot harder to do that, and so I find that having the abilitybase draw is huge, toing standing that early momentum. So you don't have thatkind of stuff with ultene CROSMA. But what you do have is just a really greatone prize as tacker really solid attack for this metagame. You have, and youalso have stiral labs, which are just huge. I found recently because I arreally useful you slap down a SIGL lab and, like you're kind of chilling, you know again.Silent labs were good. Last format still good this format, and so you know there's a lot to like,even though you don't have this really like strong ability to pop off on thefirst turn right and diverting away from ocean across me a little bitbecause I feel like the deck is kind of understood, and I will love back to tin a second heare, but going back to Snorlak, I that was thenext teck I wanted to experiment with, and I liked it a lot. The first way Itried to play it was the Winona Chincino kind of stuff, or even justlike Cinchino with normal drockhards, and I really didn't like that variant. ALot. It took up a lot of space and it was more consistentlygame at the costof having a really crappy early game. It felt like, as I moved away from that and into justlike a you know, basically negaray deck...

...and I've liked that a lot actually, thethree hundred damage can really quickly over overwhelm a lot of dacks like Gard.o our Sylvia on just is not a deck in the face of EV norax. It's ridiculous, like all tag, team decks, justimmediately lose once Yo get that turn to three hundred and it can shrug off. So many hits andI feel like a lot of my lake games will come down to like my opponent, has toGuzma every turn or they loovs. Well, it's just so funny to with the with thesnorlax it's like. I was thinking about it. You could have a beast energy on aBuzzwale on the fore prize turn and still not even knock out the Snorlirigh. Well, if you, if you remember, we we're talking about Lukario, I don'tknow if that was in real life on the podcast, but how the Lukario, with thefocus, ash ad a strong energy and a Diansy, doesn't chaos ax. It does threetwenty, it's crazy! It's crazy! I mean the one like viable kind of fightingtype attacker. I think in this metagame might just be watchand. Learn Sudoudo. That card. Can you know pretty easilycombat the snorlax, but that's really the like fightingagainst norlax really isn't the you know the end all be all right,matchup, which is just that. I mean the HP is just insane, you Hav an uckleimpact with the Buzzx, and you would still need modifiers to kill the stoLik wild. That is that's just not to me yeah. I like that. Like a lot, it'sreally fun to play as well. I think it's probably the most fun of the decks.I played on the ladder so far and there's something to be said for that.The only problem I really have with SMONL ACX is it just hard loses to likeany sort of stall archetype, because you're so dependent on tripleacceleration energy as there's nothing. You can really doto fix that either. Like you know, even if you play alternative energy outs,it's just won't really matter an a stall match up you're going to lose itanyway. So that's just unfortunate and I thinkstall is really well poison, this Meta game. So that's! What's I don't think Iwould play slax in Collinsville just for that reason alone. Very Yeah. I too,like stall, I think stall, is very strong. I think that's a goodsegue yea Thi. We saw some stal decks in the last Dallas regionals. I mean wethawt a lot actually, relatively speaking, yeah. I guess I, I think the conversionrate was pretty good on them. Yeah Lik, every single one made day two orsomething Li ridiculous, really, okay, yeah, yeah, interesting, interesting orlike all of the like doll stalls and then, like John, a Staliett is likehoopa thing, which also mee. I think every person Ho plays like Ahoopastalldeck made dato or something like that. Yeah popl was just so broken lastformat, but now, obviously with Pokmanvi Hoopa is a weaker card. Justinherently right. You don't get Tho wall off against Pokemon B, sowithstall. What do you think we're going to see with stall? Is it going tobe like very dollbased? Is it going to be just heavier Pokemon, just biggerpokemon? What do you think stall is going to look like evolving into thisnew format? Honestly, I think both are probablygood options. I think the one I would more likely play would be more of likea wall stall variant so stuff like hupas and pyrors and like hotch Grove and using Rudgy Rock,maybe to like Ninja boy. If you want to that seems to me like it would be verygood in this format cool. Would you have a preference towardstaldecks? Are you more of a dull kind of Guy Yeah? I, like the dolls, I meanyeah, it's just yeah. It just comes down to personal preference, and Idon't know that. There's a lot to tech against the stall type decks. I meanthey're very well poised, again yeah ethey're, very well poised, so thinkinghow turwer dark can play like a silent, laugh or something so they could kill,Hoopas and like at that point, we're justgetting a little off the it and you can? U Wev Il to knock out yeah yeah, so cool all right. Well, we won't gowell save a lot of this expanded talk for next week. I just want to go over afew of the other decks that I'm eentesting Pikrom is up there tuberdark. I think gains a lot just from the having the quick ballsright. We talk about, snorelax talked aboutXohan and expanded trevinent Dusknor, with the with the molotic, is also a deck thatI've been trying out sure and I think all just kind of are very good.Expanded feels very strong in the sense...

...that you have a lot more agency overyour deck and that's very, very fun. Although now standard is kind ofcatching up in a lot of ways, but expanded should be a really good time.Are there any other decks that you're thinking about or thinking about,testing that I didn't mention not really you aske Ot pekerame earlierbefore we got live, and I definitely am not thinkng up Eron. That's the no gofor me is so yeah yeah yeah, a deck that I'm kind of offfor expanded right now is Moutu. I think. Oh, that's sad man yeah! I know it's really sad. It'sreally sad. I think the damage output is significantly lacking. I think it just youre. You don't have enough! You don'tgive yourself enough time in this format. There's a lot of turbo. There'sa lot a lot of turbo and a lot of things that can do two and seventy turnone pretty easily turbo dark gets even faster with the additional quick balland Tzoshian dex like can hit turn one and seventy like it's. Nothing likeit's nothing, yeah, it's almost the standard for them to do that. Theshnorlak just has too much HP and one chas leg is ridiculously that rses veto yeah yeah. Exactly so, I think Mouto is like pretty much off the table. Forme, EG RAW is another one that we were kind of talking about, saying it shouldbe really good but AAGAIN. I think it might be Gat kept if we see Zohian risein play. Zahan has from my testing just a very good, and my experience withAgra is that it has a very strong matchup, because it can do o d eventyso quickly so easily. It can really just run that first Eggrou off theboard and then, if you only get one attack off with the egg row, you likeyou're, never winning those games. Tyou only get the one attack off. You reallyneed to be able to tank hits, try to establish aboard, but with deks liketurmodark Zosshian, and you know even pikeram being able to do the highdamage very early. It's not a good sign for for a deck like a Roun for sure, sosure he. I think you brought up a lot of really good points. Is thereanything else that really sicks out to you and expanded that you wanted tomake sure we had on? No, I mean I think we should save alittle bit for next week, but you at sure, but have even better idea nextweek to that's right. That's right, we'll have a little bit more concreteidea of what the medigame is going to look like, but we should open up thefloor to any questions that our viewers have. We have some discussion hereabout Hanchcrow, saying Honchkar wins like half the Meta. I am not so sureabout that. Again I come back to like Pekerham TURBA Darkenzasian, whichwould just destroy a Hanchkro deck. So maybe I'm missing something there. Idon't know that honchgrow has any viability in this format. I think itwas maybe even more viable last format than it is in this format, but metasux says: Please talk about Malamar one prize, not theMuth reversion for the current standard format. What do you think about Malamar Riley? I think it's just not quite there. In theory, I think it's a good gooddeck, just because Guirotina is so good and it has a great great matchup against, like these Mutivariants that are running thin on like weak disprevention and all that kind ofstuff. I just personally don't really like thestrategy, I think, and also the fact that you're, your Zashian matchup is basicallydependent on you getting term on clear vision, which is not always easy, isreally rough, and I don't like that. So I wouldn't I wouldn't play a a deckthat has such an awkward matchup against Ashin D in like the thing is,even if you get it, they could potentially just mell Alana you out ofthe game so yeah I just don't like it right now. I see on Thekil Nikhil says: Do youthink that the Seincino mill has been properlyprepared for and yeah? We kind of address thatearlier in the in the cast. We do think that you know enough decks,have kind of shifted over to kind of deal or have soft counters to mill. I Ithink the biggest example that we can give is ATP running like for Pokemin,catcher, Anapheon, just being able to say, hey we're going to be able to getaround your dolls at least once or twice in the game. You know maybe even more times,depending on how the Catcher flips go and- and so we do think like that, would that wouldjust be the biggest one that I can think of is just a very obvious. Yes,those decks are now playing. You know more ways to gust and should be able toto handle a Sinshino mildeck right,...

Michael asking hammers in Zoshian a er,nay. This is actually something I haven't seen a lot of until today, butI did see a couple of stream streamers, playing with hammers or against hammersand Zashian. Today I think especially the Carrio version. I think it's goodbecause Lecaro already has like energy disruption so to like compound thatwith hammers, especially when Lucario kind of is unfavored against the ATPversion being able to have that extra energy removal seems pretty good jum inthe ATP varian. I don't know if it's that that good, just because I don't know if you'llfind them in the turns you need them, and even then you have to flip heads aswell, and it's basically only good in the mirror like what is from roving an energyversus mouto. I it GOINTA. Do you know sure it's not going to do anything so yeah, I don't know. I think I think Ilike it better in Lukario than I do in ATP, but I think it's like an okay ideain general. If you're worried about atpce ation, absolutely do you think Wab is going to be superinsane to open up within expanded now. Wab obviously has the ability that, ifit's in your active, then your opponents spoke hem on what can't use,abilities or don't have abilities. Something like that. Yes, I think wob Waba Fed is very avery good card and I've been racking my brain on how to play it in the expandedformat. Now we have things in the past, like you know, trevinent played a Wabor two Hitmon Chan played a couple wobs a couple, maybe fourwive three or fourwobs, and so th. I've been trying to come back tothat. I was thinking like a more Pico deck with WAMAFET, but that gets reallyhairy because MORPICO, you know you're forced to discard the energy, which wasthe problem in standard. Why that deck really isn't seeing any play, and so I don't know that wabafet has agood partner or has a partner, that's viable enough! That does the Swittero well enough that it can be utilizedeffectively. You're saying you don't believe in hitMon Chan. Well, I mean yeah. Let's go back to you,know: Okay, like the the snorlax problem, Ik you're, O a telemma you'restruggling the three shot that you know like what the heck like. Like.Let's say you had you didn't have a you know, you had one damage modifier andyou attack three time like let's say you had the strong energy and you tackthree times, you're only doing hundred damage at the end of the time, you'redoing three hundred damage. To that thing. It's not even Acke that, likeokay, so sure you have, you could do multiple, strong energies. You could dothe muscle band you cund have the diancy or whatever. But the point beingis that you might not even to shot that thing. You might not even threeshotthat thing, and that is just indicative of how Wein this ikhe is giges neadyis huge cool. Well, I think we're reachingabout the end here. I see some other questions about like strids, be milland boom box and OCI predictions. If you listen back to early on the PODCAST,we covered a lot of those ideas. I think we actually covered every singleone of those things that was asked there. So definitely look back andlisten or on youtubeor on your podcasting platforms. Both of thoseyoutube be up tomorrow, packcasting FOT PRMS will be up tonight, but we reallyappreciate all of your viewership and all your listenership. We have noticedthat more people are getting on there. So thank you all for spreading the wordand well you gr the PLATFOR ight ighly. Iyeah. I just want to say, because I'm kind of a little bit more into thestats than maybe you are but yea we've had this. Last week. Thislast episode we had over five hundred and twenty five downloads on podcastingplatforms have about a hundred and fifty people go onto to youtube towatch, and then you know, obviously you all hear our live, which is just great,so we're looking at you know, do the math there somewhere around what seveneight hundred people taking in tag team every week, which is awesome. So thankyou for that. Keep Spreading. The word like Riley said, and you know that's, let's keep growingthis thing. We really appreciate it all the support that you guys have given usso far and as we head into season to, we can't wait for more yeah, sothatw'll, be it for ATAG team tonight be sure to check us out on all thoseplatforms and also check out full grip games and fogrip Codescom for all ofyour card kneeds, and we will catch you all next week. Hes See you guys.

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