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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 2, Episode 3 · 1 year ago

2-3. Panicking for Pyroar

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

All right, what is up everybody welcomeback to tag team, POK, em on trading card games, premiere podcasting to myname, is Ryley Hulbert and I'm joined by my good good friend, JW creewall Gw,how you doing today, Riley. I am very well! Thank you so much for asking it'sbeen a beautiful Wednesday and I'm happy to be back. I just really can'tstress enough how much I love this podcast. Thank you guys all the viewersand the listeners who are simply awesome. I am blown away by the numbersthat we saw from people that downloaded the cast last week, just absolutelyamazing, really on a on a very strong UPPOR ujectory. So thank you guys, allso much riley how you doing you know what I'm doing. Okay, man, I I hurt myback really bad this weekend, so I took a sick day on Monday from work and ivekind of been like slowly recovering since then yeah. But you know what it'sgood enough for me to sit in a chair right now. So that's major improvementsfrom several MI fine yeah. I was going to say: THAT'S THAT'S GOALS! I guessstepping it Begr goals being able to sit up right in a chair. You don'trealize like how important your bag is to you until you heard it. I completely agree. The back is a verynecessary part of your body right, but it's not what you think about. You knowlike when you think about your day today task you think of like your armsand your legs, your hands, but like your back, is your cores, like yourShockyn know, whatport for all everything else like everone, you knowit's another, one that you don't think about often, but is very, veryimportant to you're. Well, being I don't know my Chin e et my teeth,that's so true until they get hurt and then you're like thisis the worst I theworst thing in the world I have like it's not, I don't think anything'swrong, but I've had just like a little tooth sensitivity. I just went to thedentist or like yeah, no cavidyes. You know nothing like that. It's just likesome reason. I had like a little bit of two sensitivity that like lingered andI'm like Han thit's, just really o paranoid to. I gets yeah and that's athing and I think, like your brain, thinks that there's actually somethingwrong when there isn't anything wrong this little bit of discomfort that youdon't normally have, then you're constantly focused on it and it makesthe problem worse did that was me with my chest a couple months ago. Actuallyit was the same weekend that I won the the LEA Cup in Chicago with Youto Yeah.I had this like a really bad chest pain. I was like for sure I'm having like aheart attack or something, and that just made me more and morestressed, which than increased my chest pade further, which then furtheraffirmed my theory that I was going to SOM Magon. That's so funny! Well rily that you'renot stressed out about this upcoming weekend. We are just a mire three daysaway from the COLLINSVILLE regional championships yeah. I was actuallygoing to say speaking of paranoid. We have the consoltioncimpionship comingup and I think everyone is on edge about it, to be honest, at least hat R,that I know sure first tournament with this insane rule change, which doesn'tseem designed for expanded to me at least, and all sorts of newcars. We got mostly Zashian, but also a little SLA of Sodrox v Baks coming intothe fray. Alongside all these old decks- and you know, how do you change yourengines to best interact with this rule? Change? There's just there's a lotgoing on man and it's stressing me out. I'M NOT GOINGTA lie yeah yeah, I meantake me through it a little bit rigly because you know you're a little bitmore. I think, generally speaking, a little more reserved and morecalculated, and you know deck choices, and maybe the week leading up to theevent you're trying a few different things, but you always seem to have itin control and talking with you just before the cast youryou're a little outof contol you're a little bit ou here kind of like cratn. What thegod? Idon't know about the crazy side, but I'm not Lik satisfied with anythingyeah sure, and then I think that tends to lead you towards chaos, becauseyou're very ordered Urtan, otherwise yeah so, like you know, one littlethings out of place and just everything goes to complete bonkers down. That'sWHA, I'm saying for sure yeah I mean, like I've, tested a fair amount of thiswormat. At this point at first I was very drawn to Zashianfor some obvious reasons: right it. Here's a lot of damage can deal verywell with some of the decks that were popular in the last format and generally consistent, and it has thehuge bonus of Intrepid Sword, which is great if you go first and a lot ofpeople are offteing, you a second right now, which you know. Sometimes it endsup being an incorrect choice, because if you go second and Whit, you getmajorly punished for it, but still exactlan gives you a bonus,whether you go first or a second, because you can either attack veryeasily turn one. It's a very low cost attack relatively speaking, or you canchecit so ge, yeah yeah or you can chap...

...the sword and Dra hards, which I mean Idrawing cards, is like my favorite thing to do in a card game, if fo'mbeing honest, even in like board, Games and stuff, I always offer the routethat, like let me drunk cars instead of whatever else. Actually wins me to gameso like that was the first deck that I really liked jibed with and I enjoyedit for a while, and I tested a lot and I honestly saw like a desamount ofsuccesswil it in my testing. Until we started running into a lot of one prizeTek at started, the ladder that seemed like it was all exaustions and likestuff from before, and turbo darks and Zashid really handles like tag teamdecks and Turbo Dark. It faires pretty well against those kind of things yeahwhen you get the stuff like ultra acrossma or counter decks. Like youcounterbox kind of things, I actually played one of those do leak up thispast weekend. It just completely blew me out of the water. It gets really frustrated. You said that it didn't blow you out ofthe water they needed to draw the double color list right, but like they,you know they had the fact that they like pushed me that far and like theytook easy knockouts on Tur to and three it' just like it gets ridiculous. Youknow, and it's like, and you know it gets really frustratingto play these decks that are so linear, leexastion and really the only likekind of workaround strategy that you have is like this tyle got timelesskind of thing, and you know that isn't great. Is that a great combo? It'sobviously strong if you get it off, but getting it off sometimes feels like amonumental affair. Absolutely you know you hate, for that, to be your only theonly the only thing I actually like about Diaga is an addition to timelesshe a shred, so he goes to like prandom bs like Pyror, so sure I don't knowlike that's actually something I like about Togo, more, the timeless almostright, but so it's just bee like frustrating, and so I kind of dropedsash in and the the real thing that pushed me over the edge was. I played a mirror match at the cupthat I was at and I went first and the guy was just drawing horribly, but hegot a turn. One attack going second on a two FRI spokemon Becaus iy, whipped aretreat out, and he just kind of won the game after that, because there wasno way to really disrupt his board to the point where he couldn't attack thenext tern and it's J, like that's frustrating man, D and the same thinggoes for like one prize decks, and so the next thing I went to was oceanacrosma, and I really liked that deck. I vibe with it super hard, maybe evenharder than Sashi and like I was drawing the stones, every game, neverwhipping a double dragon: Energy Actillery, two octilleries, maybe iffingrs were going great, I was like this is fantastic. This tick is amazingand then I started playing as a Buch of other Alto, the CROSMA decks Itis Jutlike and the guard Tex I feel like. I have achance because I canend them and they'll just trok a pleat booty off andat. But you know you play the mirror match with the actilleryman. It's justlike whoever guets the first attack is just going to win. It is so frustratingdut tripit's. All that kind of stuff is getting is really getting under my skinand so I'm kind of grantating away from those decks. If I had to pick one, itwould be oceanacrosma. I've said this a lot to a lot of people. I think, iftyou're going to take six prize cars against other decks that are trying totake six price cards, ultraa Grosmos, the dectpick. The problem is, I think, Oltrna CROSMOloses to a lot of decks that take six price guards in either not traditionalways like Egra or that don't take sixpice guards so stuff like doll,stall or e, any sort of like Stalldeck, and you know some of these totics liketake prizes but y you like know what I mean L K where they're right their goalis a little bit different when they're taking prizes, so that made me reallyfrustrated to and I'm just like Thi man like t's. So I started going down lotsof weird rabbit holes, especially with pyro, on my mind, being a thing forthis tournament, so I started playing like Mel Medal and Zashian, and thatwas CRAFP, and so I stopped doing that and then I started playing like Turbadark again, and I mean you were on the you're on the discord with me earliertoday, and you know ton argus is drying not well for me, no matter what I didto the list. It wasn't wrung well, and that's something I was talking withwith Andrew about is turba dark seems to have the answers for everything andit kind of does right. It has evolution, Sok Mons, Basic Fokmons. A lot ofdamage takes extra prize guards as one price attackers as all the stuff, butthe cost of playing all that stuff is you're not nearly as coosistent Azashanat getting off like you're insaying attacks on turn, one and two righ, andyou have a lot more like room for error, especially a major difference that darkas wish Zashian is Zashe needs three energy to operate a full potential,whereas dark needs. Eight col potential and eight is a little bit bigger thanthree. I would say you know you know yeah a triple. It is almost triplethree like I've, gazrer struggle to get threeenergy on board with dark yeah. It just happens, TAT's o...

...just a lot of a lot of reallyfrustrating stuff. I haven't really met messed around with like Mutu and me,which is an old favore to mine. I've really actually liked strowks vmax,which is not something I thought I would say, but his is really fun. Itreally gets out of thegats and kind of has the answers to a lot of things,except for things that, like hate on your energy or right, particularly likedollstall, you just cannot attack enough times, yeah literally, it's apossible. So it definitely sounds like you're in thethrows of you know, here's a deck, but it loses to this deck, but it lodes tothis deck, but it lose the Thi teck like you're in the circle, yeah no Doublike what are your strategies when you find yourself in this circle, how doyou get out of this circle? How are you going to over the course in the nextthree days, or I guess two days now- figure out what deck you're going toplay yeah and it's tough? It's tough right! You have to you kind of, have topick and choose your battles. I think its ultimately, what it comes down toso as much as it sucks it's pretty hard tofind a deck. That beats everything and that's just the unfortunate truth thatthe expanded format when there's so many cars like in standard it's mucheasier to take decent matches across the board, or at least s, because youhave a pretty known field of decks that you can account for, whereas eexpandedthere's not only like five kinds of attacking decks, there's also fivedifferent kinds of stalldecks- and you know this that and the other thing andit's you can't possibly beat every sort of variant of all of those dacks rightand that's the that's the where the real trap is and expanded. Is you start,you start to worry about all of these variants at once and it becomes anendless feedback loo basically or it's like you know I'll, do this to beshocklock, but then this deck doesn't no longer beats alls. Now so like. Ihave to do this to be dulls, but now I lose t you know turbo dark or something,and it's just and s Yo had to pick and choose those fabbles and right now Idon't know which battle is the one that I am willing to lose and I thi that'sthat's the hard part for me well, and I will say to I mean we kind of talk alot about here on the on the cast about you know: What do we think the generalplayer base is going to play and then what do we think the best players aregoing to play? And I think for this tournament, especially I'm seeing just from all the talk andfrom all that I've heard I'm seeing a pretty big difference. Yeah I mean I'm seeing people who juststill exhaustit and I'm seeing people who reust like you know what I don'tcare. If Y apoted plays they're going to draw crap and I'm going to play,Trevmor Iei know people who are just into oneprize attackers and think that's the way to go, and then, of course, I have a giantsubsection of my friends who just love ruining people's days and willcertainly play shocklock and stall and all sorts of crazy stuff like that and andit's hard, because I respect all myfriends as good players. So it's you get to the point where it's like. Well,the good players don't even have something that they're on you knowthey're all on different stuff, and maybe part of that is that we just hadocic at's well. So a lot of good players are also focusing their effortscompletely in a different direction. For the past couple weeks, it's just been insane dude and- and honestly, I think at the end of theday, though, what decision I'm coming to is, I think, as some sort of likecontroly kind of deck is something that'll be popular at the top tables,and so that's the thing I'm most concerned about beating right now,while also being consistent enough to hang with the turbodacks for sure forsure. Okay. So then, let's talk about that for a little bit. So control issomething that I generally outlined as being like a tier one archetype on myyoutube, video just about the expanded format. You know giving a tier listabout the expanded forman, but I didn't quite give a specific because stalk anencompass so many different things. You know we saw even in even in the last tournament you knowDallas we saw, I would say three different types, survariance or flavorsof stall, all the unique but all stall. You know I mean they all are categorystall, and so what are the stall archetypes? Looking forward that you'remost worried about you already brought up shocklock? As being you know, Iwould consider that, and I think most of us would consider that a stallarchetype and so that kind of falls under that umbrella, so shocklock, whatare some other ones that you're looking at, I think the primary ones I'mconcerned about our shacklock and Piror ASSEBDEX. That there's also kind of like thisthird subsection of decks of like doll stall Variante, either with Sabeli orRangaroo, or you know, there's a couple ways you can kind of. You know create that sort of style ofdeck and those are the ones ire. Probablythe least concerned about, was to be honest,...

...not because they're not as good, but Ijust think they'll probably be less popular, especially amongst top players.So, and I could be wrong on th, I usually could be wrong, but right now, I'm more concerned aboutlike wall stally type of stuff. I think and okay. Okay for sure for sure. So you know decks that play these walls.Pi Ror come to mind a loan, Persian gx comes to mind. Whatare some of the counters that you could play in yourdeck or any like decks? That would just like beat those inherently like whatwhat would you think would be the response to that, if you're not goingto play a stall deck but you're worried about stall in the in those you knowtwo cards, I guess specifically and maybe more that you can elaborate onwhat would you do to counter those yeah so what's important when you're playing soI'll start with, like pyror as the obvious kind of stall sort ofcontrollthe attacking deck, you can include a evolution in yourdeck. Obviously that's as an nfactor there, but you have to complay thatevolution smart as well, because if you're not careful, they can either notget out or they can lugiagxit yeah. So first of you have to get yourevolution out promptly, or else they'll, just like goosemanock it out withPirore if it's still a little baby and in addition to that, you have toset up the kind of state where you're not going to just immediately getresponded to or lost perch by Lukia. So usually, if you're stall or if you'reevolution POC on Taing me active, u either have to have some sort ofsecondary evolution or you have to be disropting them that same turn, sure you at least an end. You know to getstuff they've gathered over the course of the game out of their hand and makeit a little bit harder to build up those wee, a Cambos or sorry LugaCambos, and you, if you get to the point whereLugia wins them the game you want to be able, or like removes only Piror outsfrom the game. You want to get to the point where knocking out that Lugiawins you the game or Internin. So it's also about like it's kind of just likerushing them down, while also having the threat of an evolution, I think isultimately what it comes down to sure for sort of like Pirory archetypes. I like that. I like that. So what about things like Stinger Gx?Are there any kind of unconventional counters to these types of stall? Decksthat maybe just like lesson the amount of prizes you need to take- or you can,I don't know- do something you know in some other way to like disrupt I theirsetup or anything like that yeah. I think stingeris actually a decent kindof option to have against this kind of decks, especially when you factor in hethe ability of now that your and is so much more effective against these tacks.If you get rid of their beach or I guess is ohshy and they might have himplay and Stinger and then and then the following turn you know now they aregin, a really compromise position and even if your deck isn't the best ofdealing with the staldacks, you might have the affordability of time and like easyprizes to pick off on the board. So I definitely think that's like a viableoption for sure you just have to have the deck that and like sustain it sostuff like snoral AC, can include tha Stinger pretty easily. You just evolvea dito slap on a triple and say singer: gx A's, t pretty nice, whereas stufflike dark, is probably not going to include a singer Gx to deal with stallright right yeah. So I mean I've been talking about my favorite decks for awhile in the expanded format. I, if I were going, if I were going and I'm notyou know so, I'm you know so this is just I'm trying to be as honest and asreal as possible, but I also don't you know I can. I can give my advice and Ican give my my opinion into the void and I have no repercussion because you know, because I'm not actuallygoing right so ure yeah, but I like turbodar. I am not like you, I do like exaustion,but only for the fact that it is. You know just a very. I found it to beextremely consistent and I is insisting I really value that in a in a deck thatI would take to regionals like that, it's probably the most consistent dethat IV played. I will say that at so I'm saying you know it does what itwants to do every single time, and I think that was a that was somethingthat we saw with Dallas, where we had this just massivetag team that did you know a bunch of damage on the second or you know,potentially first turn, and that won the whole thing you know so like it didhave a few more tricks than Asaushian does. But you know same idea, you justhave this massive tag: team which Zoshian isn't attackedg you, but you hathis massive pokemon just hitting for one shots and that's very cool and then third deck, I would say, yeahyou hid on it ulternate crossmy I like that deck. I think it's the best oneprize deck, but I obviously has some very sinificant flaws. I think ofcaatics well, which should be played in...

...a number of decks, and then you know just various alternatestrategies: Faba any type of stall, there's a lot of just different thingsthat can disrupt it's very like it's just a very linear deck. You don'treally have any right cool tricks. Aside from the specific prize turnsthat you know Buzzwol and Nialego and Sudowudo offer you and so very lanar.On that regard, I do like the deck. I do think it'll perform very well, but you know the that's just where I'mthinking heading into Consville. Can we just say for the record if you'replaying ultrenate Crosmo, please play the Marsadow from a broken bonds thatwill be hugely helpful against Catics, well, fee blor, sod enough. Yes, Iwould agree, and it's I mean it's easy to search right, your you. You knowyou're playing Nasball, potentially quick ball. Ultra Ball, I mean yeah.The Mar Shadow is a really really good inclusion that I like a lot in. I think you can basically take the nifhplace list from Dallas, take out the cobalion ad a mar shadow and just callit good. That's really where I would be going if I was about, I was thinkingabout ulternate cross for consvill yeah, think Ol, pretty solid, lay then tohandle te deck good stuff any like you know. I want to talk about,maybe under the Rad ardex. We took a lot of time to talk about stall, but isthere anything that you're, seeing just from twitter from people talking?That's a deck that you know you maybe didn't consider before this week andnow you're saying Oh hey. This is something that could be legitimate. I don't know if they're great choicesfor the tournament, but I did see at the leak up I was at nightmarch, endedup winning and then another leakup on facebook. I saw bees ended up winning IAM, not huge fanof bees. So but like that kind of archetype of Battac ompressor DCattackers, you know we all know and love it we're all familiar with it yeah. They clearly have some sort of place inthis format where they coand pray on these decks justgoing ham with their multiprize attackers andsaying you know, Night March, for t twenty years. Autian is unfortunatelyknocked out, which is great. That's always a try and true strategy, I'm not so much into it. I don't reallyVI with it right now. The rise of like these control decksand all sorts of like wacky stuff going on on the side, makes me less apt toplay those like batble compressor askdecks, but I think there'se stilllike solid choices and thos seem to be not very talked about which might haveeven led to their their wins over the weekend. Sure Yeah, I think I think I'm rightwith you there vessel queen its a good deck. It's not my personal favorite,because you can't really do any of the the tricks that you can do with nightmarch.You know I'm thinking about adding things like you know, silent lab. Youcan't really do that with the best with queen the easier damage numbers thatyou can hit with nightmarch you have the electripowers. You can just reach alittle bit easier than you can with vest bequeen. You know you play MarShadow gx, which obviously is a really good weakness to have a really good,attacking type to have and fighting hitting intosnor Lik vmx, hitting intoI guess, Pikarom, hitting into Zora kitting into there's one other one thatI'm missing here for fight. Oh Dark! Yeah,of course, of course, hitting into dark. So that's all really! You know that'sall really nice. That Nimarch has that maybe ves queen doesn't quite have, andso yeah I'd agree with you and I march scemes, like a seems like a better play.I then vest queen. I don't know how good of a play at the end of the daymight just be a comfort pick for some people and I think, that's perfectlyacceptable, because again you do take theoretically decent. You know youshould take a decent match against dark. O favorable match against dark shouldtake pretty good decent matchups against you know these new decks and Arlaxv Zosshan seems reasonable. You know thatyou can work out of it again, they're attacking with toprizers and yourideally attacking with one prizor. So that seems pretty good as well, buteven as I talk just I'm recognizing there are so many decks and it's absureyou're not going to have you're not going to have a clear cut strategyagainst everyone like heading into the tournament right, you're, not going tobe able to test against every single deck and against every single variantof every single deck, and it can be overwhelming. So if I can just give apiece of advice from a player that has played for ten years is just don'toverthink it go with your guyd play a deck, that's consistent and that's how hopefully you'll do well so wyse words,praw cool, we're, seeing some talk in the chat alittle bit about labafet. I think we talked about this last last week, butit bears repeating because I've still...

...been trying to think about a deck thatuses wabafit. I think the conclusion that I've come to is that groudon primal ground on is probablythe best wabafet playing deck stone, Jener, stone, Jeurner, that's yours, H,yeah! You can ingeboy a regiroc into a stone, sherner and Abolvit into stone.Jearner vmax, okay powers, UF one turn earlier and then what you do, two hundred seventy damage, wit,it okay yeah that seems busted all right, but we're talking about wabafatanything that you're, seeing that you know wabafat could be could be good with. We have somebodysaying in the chat, Waba, fet with bats and save a lot. I think wo bats is alittle bit of meme wabafit. I've seen it in a couple decks.The two that staned out to me are: I seen it in Alteanacris, Mi Dax, theroun o serious treasure. I mean, I guess you don't really haveto run myserious treasure to make a obofit a vilable option that day, but Ithink you probably needs to run multiple fotstones. I think it's okay, Yon Know Tru,there's also the Trepnamar deck. Yes, I was hopingyou would say that the Trevnardeck can easily play a lit iffit and that kindof can offset if they go first. They can just search out the WAB and kind ofprep, the return to and kind of, get off to the races. That way, instead oftheir traditional horrorhouse strategy- and I think that works out fine, so I I think, that's probably if I had topick one deck that I think really uses. We oppofate well, it's probably atredmardeck because it really just thrives on trying to shut you down asmuch as possible, tern one and then ruining your life on terms to threefour right. Exactly yeah. I like that a lot there is there's a thought there with thetrepnor deck like you would play the Wabafet, and I mean it shuts down a lotof your deck right, because you're rolling on shameand heavily to get setup, but then it e up yeah, you would, you would probably play the Donwingster Crosmo, be able to rush in or whatever invasion, Anvase your way intothe active, and then you know youtilize all your ability based raw. So that'ssomething to consider. Do you think that the trednor deck will be playe high amounts in Consville? I think itwill see decentnumbers. I don't know like depends on like what you consider high amountsbecause, like Oh, the fiels AL, he pretty split up, I was going to say Ithink high amounts for this tournament would be like. I don't know fivepercent, because there just are so many archetypes that are pretty viable. Iwould say: There's a number of pretty viable archetypes yeah. I ow, I wouldsay it's like a Goin to be a pretty popular deck and there's a couplereasons for that. I think it's decently strong now the CA beout of that being. Thereare your kind of first Ouf for lying ofyour opponents, like not drawwell off of their like destruption, Combo, yeahand you're, also hoping that your opponent isn't like playing dark andpopping off turn one or Zashian and popping off turn one round, both ofwhich are possible. So, but if you get beside that, it can takea lot of free wins, even in matchups, where it shouldn't, just by virtue ofthe deck and how it operates right, which is pretty rough man like- and Iwas listening to a metaphor cast today, and I someone had said that if youdon't know what to play it five, nor is a good choice, and I kind of agree withthat, because you have the same exact game plan versus nearly everything andit'll wit it'll get you there some amount of time in every match up suresure. I think I think, just to throw a little bit of like a a counter intoyour thoughts there, which are good, theyare, very good thoughts and a verygood overview of the deck. I just think that it's easier for decks now to drawout of the you know: Trednor lock as it were, which is really just a two card. Youknow you're giving them two cards their card that they get in hand and then thecard that they draw right after the ACE trainer Thaon struggle to in it'seasier now to draw out of that because of quickball, yes, and no they shouldbe playing muck right, and so, if they lay if they play a luckdown, then quickball for Shameit is not an ou right right. So, but I mean yeah right rightfor sure, but I'm just saying like if you don't get the muck out, there isonly what a one one line there in that deck: That's not a guarantee, and soyou know, tha Ma just inherently the deck doesn't have a garantee you,because that those two cards could be a CIGAAR parenly. But there's also the fact that,like IHE tthe lock is A. I mean it's a...

...little bit weaker than last format,because quickwall versus ultra ball is a huge difference. When you have it is,it is a significant difference, although I do think they shouldtheoretically have them ock down most games. But another thing like worthlooping back to him and my opinion is that if the mock is down then just drawing asycamore isn't necessarily an out right, like andifantid seven cards andHarsstop Ber, because you have no ability jraw, it's not a lot. You know, it'sy, that's fine, but a dex can't getthe knockout combo with only seven cards for sure, so as Trabnoradeck thatyou would consider for Colensville kind of, and I justlikedon't like the kind of like rng aspect of it, where you're first off Youre,like very reliant on just drawing your whole Cambo and basically one turn yeahand that's something that makes me anxious as someone who notoriouslydraws poorly. So that makes me a little nervous and justlike the ran the Oran aspect of it. Where you know your oponet couldtheoretically hit the stones before you even get to do anything and just win orthey could. You know they could theoretically just drop perfectly off the the topdeck plus the Card in hand and beat you that way, and so I mean I can't yeah. Ican't wait for you know you to play a trevnordeck right and Counsville, andthen we get all the text like. I can't believe he had. You Know Guzmaoff theace trainer and the tremnor and the Yeah Kad. You know it but like Iwouldn't even be that bad because hit's like something that you inherentlyaccept when Ye play the deat. You know you are saying you know what that onecard is Frat yeah yeah, it's just like I get it. That's like part of the decksure I like had a slight train of thought,but it's completely gone. So I guess it's not that important. All Right!Well, good! All Right! So are there any topdecks that we missed? I'm I'm goingto circle back to one that I think is good in terms of just attacking decks,and then we can move on to another section. Just talking aboutsome some text that we like for the tournament but onext o we massed. Ithink one here attacking deck that I really do enjoy is ADP with bless.Epalon yeah. I think you could play ATP with Zashan and have similar results,but I do just like the acceleration from the deck would be string the typecoverage and having a fire attacker. I don't know just and then I like the deck I like the deck. Ithink it's fun. I think it's good. I think it's one of the better attackingdecks and especially if people aren't prepared for it with things like ranger, then I thinkit can do pretty well. Are there any decks like that that we just maybedidn't talk about that, should be on somebody's radar if they're going toConsville? That's honestly, probably a one of the the better like little rogue kind ofarchetypes. I like on paper or whet you hear the nameof at blowns. The deck sounds like complete crap, but then, when youactually think about like the theory behind it, it works pretty well yeahand it actually is really good versus Turpos Oshi Index, so that', notsomething that you coan just like wriht off either. So I like the deck to. I don't thinkI'd play it, though sure okay, so then you're saying that we've covered everypretty much every deck that you would expect to see. I'm trying to think teslike so many decks, yeah well, wl, we'll come back and I'm sure at the thechat will. Let us know here when we go to the open questions, but I want toyou heare before we do that and Chat Sart start getting somequestions ready. But Yours I have a list of four cards here. All right andI'll. Ask you give me on a scale of Onde O five? How likely you will be toplay this card in your list in Collonsville? Okay? So I don't. I don'tknow quite what you're leaning towards, but these are just some cards that Ithink are very good or have their uses and just give me one to five. Howlikely you are to play this card in your list? You got to pok em like it to to. Why is that? I think Ijust don't like the card. The only decks I would feasibly play itin are especiall energy Zics, and even then it's not a guarantee for me, soyeah yeah. It feels like a card that I think to me. There are very justobvious dexs that can afford to play pokemon ranger and there are veryobvious decxts that cannot afford to play Pokmon the the difference reallycomes down to, like I mean one of the differences comes down to like how muchdrawpower you have how much ability based draw you have so I decike Zork,which can droft the board a deck that just plays a bunch of like Shamin, andyou know Deden and stuff which draws like that is. I feel a better choice to play:Pokemon Ranger, then you know a deck...

...that doesn't do all those things youknow and and so yeah poker. My Ranger interesting cardwill ets pe play. Will an Nazi play. I think the general majority of playersare saying: No, you know they won't play it in theirdeck, O or they're, not considering a deck that would need ranger, and so youknow take that for what it's worth, how about watch and learn? Sudowudo Ondean, five tin certain decks. It's like an Anautofive and other decks. It's a IT'S A SEROL! So if you can sustain the counter energy,for whatever reason, I think it's worth, including it's really good in thisformat. Okay, why do you think it's really good in this format is ashionfor one thing and if there's a small ax without a ultariain play at one shots that and ifthere is, if you hat the right conditions versus dark it one shots.Those guys so got just like a one prizor that can really put a wholethrough a lot of the main archetypes in the format, a Jack of all trades as itwork yeah, and it can do I mean it can do decent work against. You know I meanthe something like ulterna cross yeah like an ocean, acrosmy mirrors, it doeswork for sure. It's just like is a good card right now for sure yeah, rapidash, Galarian rapidash. I would I wish I could include it inMor deck, but the only deck I would include it is storlacx. So I'll give itlike a one, because it's really just predicated on me playing strall, acksor not sure Andykay, it's not a guarantee so church fur sure. So Iwould. I would extend that a little bit. You know. Glaran rapidash has thebenefits of not being able to be shut down by Muck, which is the Primar yeah.What absolutely yeah yeah? What? which is the primary reason you would play itover something like Cobalian or Comfe, for I'm thinking specifically of theshocklock Matche, but also maybe has some utility in Dar. You know againstdark for blocking the dead endgx attack, but let's extend that now. So rapid ashobviously needs an evolution. So it's going to be just that little bit slower.How likely would you be to play some type of status, condition blockingeffect? Like Cobalian, comfeverisin, ga or ex something like that, I wouldprobably play one in every deck that could okay, you know like I'm, not going toplay sparkling robe and dark, but but I'll definitely play a cogaland andTosho okay. I, like it last card one and five stealthy hood Selvy Hood. Ilove that card. It's like a fouror, five. Okay. Give me your reasoning. Ijust think it's like a generally good card right now. That's a lot of Nichuses that I think people overlook, one that actually came up at my lekupwas. I was playing Zashin against the Trapmar deck and I needed to hit twoseventy ONA TRAPN AR that particular turn. So I put a hood on my delmies andI was able to attack the remark. Similarly, like you can put a hood onyours, ash in to drug cards, Youryou can put a hood on your darkorxtoretreat with or hoot on your Wevvilgx to retreat to move your energy with it's just like it's got a lot ofutility right now. I think it's really good card sure cool all right. Well,let's move into open questions. I have a few on the twitter that I'll pull up,but I have one more card. Actually fiel blower is an AIDS. It's an auto includeone and probably include to that's really interesting, because Ithink just from my experience- and maybe thisis maybe I'm off here- but I don't really like the garbador line ingeneral, I and I'm not saying that field Blarr is only for garbador, butI'm just saying like I feel like trashlanch right now is in a very maybethe weakest spot that it's ever been in since it's Releasein for Gard Man, justlike getting rid of crappy tools and getting rid of carcells and T,particularly like sient labs, can really screw you over and so havingextra outthose. Just like I couldn't agree more with you, I think fieldblower is a really good card. I've been you know, wanting multiple copies andagain not for something like the Garbo Tax Andability, but more for just theauxxiliary. You know tools and stadiums and other things that kind of come upthat can be problematic. So I like that, you brought that up. We have a questionhere in the chat about Zork. I personally don't love ZOROC. I don'tknow that I would ever choose to play Zorac for this tournament and I thinkit's a lot to do with kind of figuring out the first turn rules. We stilldon't. I mean we know by now what they are, but we don't know how they quiteinteract with the cardpool and so zork feels like a very risky play to me totake into this kind of unknown formats, and I just don't like it, because itdoesn't synergize that well with the with the turn one rules, I don't love,accelerate or evolution decks right now...

...outside of maybe Ralet aloneoneexecutivr yeah. I agree. Izork was already looking on the weekside inDallas John Ang, as really the only one to really take it anywhere and in hismatches against hunter. The deck looked like complete crap just because the itgot trounced completely by the ture. I think Yourtina deck. So I don't thinkthere's anything that really would have suggested that you could take the deckfurther now than you could before sure sure. So. Luke asks from twitter is anunknown deck going to perform well at Collinsville, and that's just the that's. The firstpart of the question so is an unknown deck going to perform wile accouns Bo.I think that's a little bit of a loaded question just because, of course,because we don't know you know quite all the known decks like there's stillso many varing or like a known deck, but there's a totally different,Varyano Eah. You know so. Yes, of course, I think an unknown deck will do.Well, I, let's, like maybe solidify this question. Do you think an unknownDeck Will Win Colnsville? That is a lot tougher, O a question. Idon't think anything completely unknown will win, it might be unexpected, but Idon't think it'll be completely unknown. Okay, you don't think there will belike a true. You know: Theny Fifteen whaleord stall, unknown deck to comeout and perform. Well, I don't think so ad to you have a different answer forthat. No I'M! Just I'm just asking just try! I was just scariest, though, ifyou thought, maybe there was the potential there for something. I justlike, I feel, like this former has been pretty heavily explored, and so therecould be something that's like unexpected or people didn't reallyaccount for well enough, but I don't know if there's something that wouldreally be unknown. Okay, okay, there's a second question from Luke saying this and well justswitch slightly into standard for just one. Second, this standard,the standard forman not talking about expanded standard form the standardhave a best teck and format. It probably does andn. That would beAPZASIAN. That being said, I don't think it is so much better than all theother decks that it completely wipes them off of viability, and that becomesincredibly obvious when you see the fact that the finals were to wilderdecks so yeah. But if you look at the CP that ittook home, it was complete blowout. It was absurd. I do think that we canhandily put Zoshan ADP as the best decon in the format, because it has theanswers to everything you never get blown out of games. You know, assumingthat you, you know, draw a supporter. You know obviously the Times that youand even the Times that you did draw like you, can still work your way outof that, because you just have the inherent draw of a cardlixation. So I like the deck. I would declare it. Ipronounce the best AC, an formats ATPSASIAN Sashi for yeah, that's WHA, Isayzaskan close eoug closer than your average atten, but yes, yes, very, very strong, strong,Beck and then still staying in the standard format. We have one questionfrom Jeremy who asks: How should one adapt their tech choices for the futureof standard based on OCIC results? You know, I don't know if there'sanything that really came out of OCIC. That makes me think you know. Now I gota tech for this or, like I have to do a jealousy the way, don't you don't thinksomething like like obstagon makes you rethink how you build a deck? Not Really, I don't really actually Mundy yeah. Not Really. I mean like the only thing that really comes tovine is. They might include a Grinincha in Numio, okay and like a oneof water, energy or something sue, but that would really be about it. I don'tthink like the Zashian Dek have already kind of reached the state that I'mpretty happy with hey're, already kind of playing thevitality, Bas, the big charms and, like all the all, the text wor the mirrors,so I mean at that point like what do you really do sure sure? It's only sofar you can take it Jason Says Kramarant v to Snipe Shamenston toDennays we're moving back into expanded, maybe exploring. Obviously the V cardsare new to expand it, so something like Cramor Ant v would that be viable inany deck to to use it as kind of a finisher or a way to snipe those benchsitters. I think Ki ravves pretty good, like mew counterdax, because just for aDC Andad valley, you get one sixty nihe, which is pretty much the highest damage you'regetting out of you for that kind of...

...energy. So right, I think it's decent yeah and it's firstttack is useful. You know, if you just happen to start it or something sure pokamy breaders asks is ADP rats a meme,and I think it is because you don't you wouldn't get the extra effect of theknockout, because you have to use some type of damage modifier like shrine orLaz, or people like meeting with ADP with the Lowlanadicate CX yeah right. Oh, Oh, a loon radiagx, but that think that's likeeighty damage. It would do one ten. I don't know what the appeal is, I'm notsure, okay, so yes, I would ayit's a mame. I I don't know why you would ever play I'm like trying to think ofthe reasons you whud play that I guess you have more room for like disruptionor something, but that just feels horrific. I think we're getting trolledon our own podcast yeah, like radicate to me, only seemsviable to Pu to like Attackpi rors or something there. You go yeah rightright and then, beyond that, it's just horrible. This is awful yeah one. One thing I want to ask Riley: Wedidn't really talk about Humpty Dumpty, of course, egrou vile plume, and that has been a deckthat I've kind of fallen off of you know as the egg Rou King. I just Idon't love it for Collinsville, but I also will say I didn't love it forDallas and it performed extremely well comparative to where you know. Ithought it would. So how do you feel about vil plume heading into Consville, and is itsomething that you would suggest somebody play? I wouldn't suggest anyone play it atleast at the moment. I think if the deck is to be playable,it has to be significantly rethought and how it's built and the engine thatgoes into it as it stood. If you just did like thefour bridget kind of engine, I think it's completely unviable in the consoleformat, because it's way too easy just to dunk whatever you start with that kind ofengine, if he's, if he move more t like a quick ball and a netball and an sball,what kind of engine there might be something there, buteven then, I think it's a little rough, just like one badly timed hood can ruinyour day and I feel, like people are kind ofliking, hood right now, just for, like general use cases onother things so t it doesn't seem like it's in its bestspot. Ever, although I will say, I think the deck is decent against someof the stall dacks sure sure, and that would be you knowone really good reason to play it. I think we've kind of talked a lot on the cast for better forworse about stall, but I mean it's clearly something. That's on your mind.It's something that I you know. Stall archetypes in general, I think, arevery good and they were good last forman and they will be good here. You know, certainly someone willwill go far with the stallarchetype, so I think it's worth talking about, but yeah, like you said, I think the VAPLOMdecks have a decent time handling some of these stall archetypes and might bea reason why you would want to play it yeah. So Ninja at dusks, Anninja atdusk, asks. Why is baby radicate bad and never been played? It seems so goodon paper. That's exactly the problem, it seems good on paper and it's reallyit's e it's hard to get the convo off every turn yeah, because you're losingthe energy and the rat and you lost, and you have to find new laysen everyturn, although I did just play a deck online that like very consistently gotit, but it had like multiple actilleries and OFA cargo out,which is not a guarantee right. butanbody on that ourpoty is aspecial condition. Blocker, that's unfortunate becauseyou, don't Ayo justsay you got body drive. I did get body by that. ' Wat O SOM Olluding to, butif you have any sort of special condition out like a rapid ash or you know cumfy or it's calle fee right, yeah, okay, it'scalled and or Cobalian or Risian, or like mcgernaex or something like all of those like kind of ruin your day. So I don't know sure yeah, it's just all that littlestuff I mean you could play thin o playing that stuff anyway, all of asudden, yeah and then like so something like shrine, doesn't affect thePOKEMIND v. So now, baby radicate wasn't good in the past and like get'sworse now, because ' You're removing an option to do that extra last bit ofdamage, and so now you're forced to run laser. But, like you said there are allthese status blocking Bokemon that see you know pretty heavyplay because they're countering other...

...decks in the format. So that is, that is the dish on baby radicate. It'svery good Riley. I think I think that'll do it for the cast today. Ithink this was a very enlightening cast for me, hopefully for the listeners andthe viewers appreciate it guys for all the listening again. The veership andthe downloads have been absolutely preposterous, absolutely ludicrous off the wall,bonkers insane and Sonio Bousto, and we just thank you so much. Please makesure to check out our tag: team, twitter at Tag, team, Pokemon and allof our twitters, both individually, so at smiles with riles for Riley and at RealJohn Walter. For me appreciate again all the support, all the listenershipand yeah. We can't do it without youreexcited to see about Colnsville. Thank you guys, all so much they goopportunen en we will catch you next week, peese.

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