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Season 2, Episode 3 · 2 years ago

2-3. Panicking for Pyroar

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All right, what is up everybody? Welcome back to tag team Pokemon, trading card games, premiere podcasting to my name is Riley Hulbert and I'm joined by my good, good friend JW Curry. Wall JW, how you doing today, Riley? I am very well. Thank you so much for asking. It's been a beautiful Wednesday and I'm happy to be back. I just really can't stress enough how much I love this podcast. Thank you, guys, all the viewers and the listeners, who are simply awesome. I am blown away by the numbers that we saw from people that downloaded the cast last week. Just absolutely amazing. Really on a very strong upward trajectory. So thank you guys all so much. Riley, how you doing? You know what I'm doing. Okay, man, I hurt my back really bad this weekend, so I took a sick day on Monday from work and have kind of been like slowly recovering since then. Yeah, but you know what, it's good enough for me to sit in a chair right now, so that's some major improvements from several buy by. Yeah, I was going to say that's so that's goals. I guess stepping it their goals being able to sit up right in a chair. You don't realize, like how important your bag is to you until you hurt it. I completely agree. The back is a very necessary part of your body, right if it's not when you think about you know, like when you think about your day to day task, you think of like your arms and your legs and your hands. Well, like your guy, I could your cores, like you're shocking, no support for all everything else, like the one you know. It's another one that you don't think about often but is very, very important to your wellbeing. I don't know, my chin, my teeth. That's so true, until they get hurt and then you're like this is the worst, it's the worst thing in the world. I have like no, it's not. I don't think anything's wrong, but I've had just like a little tooth sensitivity. I just went to the dentists or like yeah, no cavities, you know, nothing like that. It's just like some reason I had like a little bit of too sensitivity that like lingered and I'm like hen, this just really gets you paranoid. Do it gets yeah, and that's a thing. And I think, like your brain thinks that there's actually something wrong when there isn't anything wrong. Yeah, this little bit of discomfort that you don't normally have. Then you're constantly focused on it and it makes the problem worse. Dude, that was me with my chest a couple months ago. Actually, it was the same weekend that I won the League Cup in Chicago with me two. Yeah, I had had this look of really bad chest pain. I was like for sure I'm having like a heart attack or something, and that just maybe more and more stressed, which then increased my chest paid further, which then further for my theory that I was going through something. manator. So funny. Well, Riley, that you're not stressed out about this upcoming weekend. We are just a mere three days away from the Collinsville Regional Championship. Its yeah, I was actually going to say, speaking of paranoid, we have the consolar championship coming up and I think everyone is on edge about it, to be honest, at least ever, that I know. Sure, first tournament with this insane rule change, which doesn't seem designed for expanded to me at least, and all sorts of new cars. We got mostly Zashi and but also a little splash of storax v Max coming into the fray alongside all these old decks. And you know, how do you change your engines to best interact with this rule change? It's just there's a lot going on, man, and it's stressing me out. I'M NOT gonna lie. Yeah, yeah, I mean take me through it a little bit Riley, because you know your you're a little bit more, I think, generally speaking, a little more reserved and more calculated in, you know, deck choices and maybe the week leading up to the event you're trying a few different things, but you always seem to have it in control. and talking with you just before the cast, you're you're a little out of control. You're a little bit more kind of like cratiny side. With that good, I don't know about the crazy side, but I'm not satisfied with anything. Yeah, sure, and then I think that tends to lead you towards chaos, because you're very ordered Urson otherwise. Yeah, so, like you know what little things out of place and just everything goes to complete bonkers down. That's why I'm saying for sure. Yeah, I mean, like I've tested a fair amount of this format at this point. At first I was very drawn to Zash she and, for some obvious reasons, right it. There's a lot of damage. Can deal very well with some of the ducks that were popular in the last format and generally consistent and it has the huge bonus of intrepid sword, which is great if you go first, and a lot of people are often go second right now, which you know, sometimes it ends up being an incorrect choice because if you go second and with you get majorly punished for it. But still likes ash and gives you a bonus whether you go first or second, because you can either attack very easily turn one. It's a very low cost attack relatively speaking, or you can sheephids are yeah, yeah, or you can chup the sword and draw cards, which I mean I...

...draw cards, is like my favorite thing to do in a card game, if I'm being honest, treating it like board games and stuff, I always offer the routes that, like, let me draw cards instead of whatever else actually wins me the game. So, like that was the first deck that I really like jigged with and I enjoyed it for a while and I tested a lot and I honestly saw like a DEAC amount of success with it in my testing until we started running into a lot of one prize decks at started ladder. That seemed like it was all exhaustions and like stuff from before and Turbo darks and Zosh had really handles like tag team decks and turbo dark it fares pretty well against those kind of things. Yeah, when you get stuff like ultra acrossma or counter decks, like you counterbox kind of things, I actually played one of those to lead up this past weekend, it just completely blew me out of the water. It gets that's really frustrated. You said that it didn't blow you out of the water. They needed to draw the double color list right, but like they you know, they had the fact that they like pushed me that far and like they took easy knockouts on turn two and three. It's just like her. It gets ridiculous. You know, it's like and you know it gets really frustrating to play these decks that are so linear, like Zastion, and really the only like kind of work around strategy that you have is like this dial got timeless kind of thing, and you know that isn't great. It's not a great combo. It's obviously strong if you get it off, but getting it off sometimes feels like a monumental affair, absolutely it all. You hate for that to be your only, the only the only thing I actually like about Diego is an addition to timeless. He has shred. So he goes to like a random bs like pire or so. Sure, I don't know, like that's actually something I like about the Aga more of the timeless, almost right. But so it's just bit of like frustrating, and so I kind of drops ation and the the real thing that pushed me over the edge was I played a mirror match at the cup that I was at and I went first and the guy was just drawing horribly, but he got a turn one attack going second on a too price pokemon because I whipt to retreat out, and he just kind of won the game after that because there was no way to really disrupt his board to the point where he couldn't attack the next turn. And it's like that's frustrating, man. And the same thing goes for like one prize decks. And so the next thing I went to was ocean acrosma and I really liked that deck. I vibe with it super hard, maybe even harder than Sashi and like I was drawing the stones every game, never wiving a double dragon energy artillery to artilleries and maybe if things are going great. I was like this is fantastic, this, that is amazing. And then I started playing as a bunch of other ultra acrosma decks. It's just like and the garb decks. I feel like I have a chance because I can end them in the destroy complete booty off and at so you know you played at the mirror match with the actillery Manu. It's just like whoever gets the first attack is just going to win. It is so frustrating. Dude trump, it's all that kind of stuff is getting. Is really getting under my skin and so I'm kind of gravitating away from those decks. If I had to pick one, it would be Olcean ACROSMA. I've said this a lot to a lot of people. I think if you're going to take six prize cards against other decks that are trying to take six price cards, ultra acrosmos the deck to pick. The problem is I think Oltin ACROSSMA loses to a lot of decks that take six price cards in either non traditional ways, like Eggra or that don't take six price cards. So stuff like doll stall or, yes, any sort of like stall deck. And you have some of these stall decks like take prices, but you like, know what I mean, where they're right, their goal is a little bit different when they're taking prices. So that made me really frustrated to and I'm just like this man like. So I started going down lots of weird rabbit hole les, especially with pyroor on my mind being a thing for this tournament. So I started playing like Mel Metal and Zashi and and that was crap, and so I stopped doing that. And then I started playing like turbo dark again. And I mean you were on the you're on the discord with me earlier today and you know, Trevor Arcus is drawing not well for me. No matter what I did to the list, it wasn't drawing well. And that's something I was talking with with Andrew about. Is Turbo dark seems to have the answers for everything, and it kind of does right. Has Evolution. POKEMON is basic pokemon. Does a lot of damage. Take such a prize, guards as one, prize, attackers as all the stuff. But the cost of playing all that stuff is. You're not nearly as consistent as Ashia that getting off like you're insane attacks on turn one and two round and you have a lot more like a room for error, especially a major difference that dark has was ash and is as she needs three energy to operate at full potential, whereas dark needs eight very full potential, and eight is a little bit bigger than three. I would say. You know it. Oh, yeah, almost triple. It is almost triple threes, like I've gazed right struggle to get three energy on board with dark. Yeah, it just happens. And so just a...

...lot of a lot of really frustrating stuff. I haven't really met messed around with, like Mewtwo and me, which is an old favorite of mine. I've really actually liked strow X v Max, which is not something I thought I would say, but it's just really fun. It really gets out of the gates and kind of has the answers to a lot of things, except for things that like hate on your energy or right, particularly like doll stall, you just cannot attack enough times to yeah, literally it's a possible. So now it definitely sounds like you're in the throes of you know, here's a deck, but it loses to this deck, but it loves to this deck, but it los the this deck. Like you're in the circle. Yeah, no doubt. I like, what are your strategies when you find yourself in this circle? How do you get out of this circle? How are you going to, over the course of the next three days, or I guess two days now, figure out what deck you're going to play? Yeah, and it's tough. It's tough right. You have to. You kind of have to pick and choose your battles. I think is ultimately what it comes down to. So, as much as it sucks, it's pretty hard to find a deck that beats everything. And that's just the unfortunate truth that the expanded format, when there's so many cars like can standard, it's much easier to take decent matches across the board, or at least s, because you have a pretty known field of decks that you can account for, whereas expanded there's not only like five kinds of attacking decks, there's also five different kinds of stall decks, and you know this, that and the other thing, and it's you can't possibly beat every sort of variant of all of those decks right, and that's the that's the where the real trap is, and expanded is you start, you start to worry about all of these variants that wants and it becomes an endless feedback loop, basically. or it's like, you know, I'll do this to beat shock lock, but then this deck doesn't no longer beats to alls now. So like I had to do this to beat dolls, but now I lose two, you know, turbo dark or something, and it's just a see a to pick a cheese, those battles and right now I don't know which battle is the one that I am willing to lose, and I think that's that's the hard part for me. Well, and I will say to I mean we kind of talk a lot about here on the on the cast, about, you know, what do we think the general player base is going to play, and then what do we think the best players are going to play? And I think for this tournament especially, I'm seeing just from all the talk and from all that I've heard, I'm seeing a pretty big difference. Yeah, I mean I'm seeing people who just still exash and I'm seeing people who are just like, you know what I don't care if my opponent plays they're going to draw crap, but I'm going to play Trevor. More I've I know people who are just into one prize attackers and think that's the way to go. And then, of course, I have a giant subsection of my friends who just love ruining people's days and will certainly play shock, lock and stall and all sorts of crazy stuff like that. And it's hard because I respect all of my friends as good players. So it's you get to the point where it's like, well, the good players don't even have something that they're on. You know, they're all on different stuff and be part of that. Is that we just had OCI see. That's well, it's a lot of good players are also focusing their efforts completely in a different direction. For the past couple weeks it's just been insane, dude, and and honestly, I think at the end of the day, though, what decision I'm coming to is, I think as some sort of like controlly kind of deck is something that'll be popular at the top tables, and so that's the thing I'm most concerned about beating right now, while also being consistent enough to hang with the turbo decks, for sure. For sure. Okay, so then let's talk about that for a little bit. So control is something that I generally outlined as being like a tear one archetype on my youtube video just about the expanded format, you know, giving a tier list about the expanded format, but I didn't quite give a specific because stall can encompass so many different things. You know, we saw even in even in the last tournament, you know Dallas, we saw I would say, three different types or variance or flavors of stall, all the unique, but all stall, you know. I mean they're they all are category stall. And so what are the stall archetypes looking forward that you're most worried about? You already brought up shock lock as being, you know, I would consider that, I think most of us would consider that a stall archetype, and so that kind of falls under that umbrella. So shock lock. What are some other ones that you're looking at? I think the primary ones I'm I'm concerned about our shock block and Pyor esk decks that there's also kind of like this third subsection of decks of like doll stall variants, either with save a eye or rang guru or you know, there's a couple ways you can kind of, you know, create that sort of style of deck and those are the wasn't probably the least concerned about, to be honest. Not because they're not as good, but I just think they'll...

...probably be less popular, especially amongst top players. So, and I could be wrong that, I usually could be wrong, but right now I'm more concerned about like walls, allid type of stuff, I think. And okay, okay, for sure, for sure. So you know decks that play these walls, pyroor come to mind, a low in Persian gx comes to mind. What are some of the counters they could play in your deck or any like decks that would just like beat those inherently like what? What would you think would be the response to that? If you're not going to play a stall deck but you're worried about stall in the and those, you know, two cards, I guess, specifically, and maybe more that you can elaborate on. What would you do to counter those? Yeah, so what's important when you're playing? So I'll start with like pirart as the obvious kind of stall sort of control, the attacking that you can include an evolution to your deck. Obviously that's that's a new factor there. But you have to play that evolution smart as well, because if you're not careful, they can either knock it out or they can Lugia gx it. Yeah, so first off you have to get your evolution out promptly or else theyll just, like Goosema, knock it out with Pi or if it's still a little baby. And in addition to that, you have to set up the kind of state where you're not going to just immediately get responded to or lost purge by Lukia. So usually, if you're stall or if you're evolution pokmon hitting the active either have to have some sort of secondary evolution or you have to be disrupting them on that same turn. Sure you at least an end, you know, to get stuff they've gathered over the course of the game out of their hand and make it a little bit harder to build up those we while Combos or sorry, Lugia Combos. And you, if you get to the point where Luiad wins them the game, you want to be able to or like removes all only Pirro outs from the game. You want to get to the point where knocking out that Lugia wins you the game right in turn. So it's also about like it's kind of just like rushing them down while also having the threat of an evolution. I think is ultimately what it comes down to here for sort of like priory archetypes. Hmm, I like that. I like that. So what about things like Stinger Gx? Are there any kind of unconventional counters to these types of stall decks that maybe just like lessen the amount of prizes you need to take, or you can, I don't know, do something, you know, in some other way to like disrupt their their set up or anything like that. Yeah, I think stingers actually a decent kind of option to have against this kind of decks, especially when you factor in the the ability, now that your n is so much more effective against these decks, if you get rid of their beach, or I guess is ash and they might have in play and Stinger and then and then the following turn, you know now they are in a really compromised position and even if your deck isn't the best at dealing with the stall decks, you might have the affordability of time and like easy prizes to pick off on the board. So I definitely think that's like a viable option for sure. You just have to have the deck that can like sustain it. So stuff like storrel acts can include a Stinger pretty easily. You just evolve a Ditto, slap on a triple and say Stinger gx. Right, pretty nice, where a stuff like dark is probably not going to include a Stinger Gx to deal with stall right. Right. Yeah, so, I mean I've been talking about my favorite decks for a while in the expanded format. I if I were going, if I were going, and I'm not, you know, so I'm you know. So this is just I'm trying to be as honest and as real as possible, but I also don't. You know, I can, I can give my advice and I can give my my opinion into the void and I have no repercussion because, you know, because I'm not actually going. Right. So sure, yeah, but I like turbot our. I I am not like you. I do like Zashan, but only for the fact that it is, you know, just a very guy. I found it to be extremely consistent and I it is insisting. I really value that in a in a deck that I would take two regionals like that. It's probably the most consistent deck that I played. I'll say that right that's what I'm saying. You know, it does what it wants to do every single time, and I think that was a that was something that we saw with Dallas, where we had this just massive tag team that did, you know, a bunch of damage on the second or, you know, potentially first turn, and that one the whole thing. You know, so like it did have a few more tricks than that Zashi does, but you know, same idea. You just have this massive tag team, which is ash in isn't a tag team, but you had this massive pokemon just hitting for one shots and that's very cool. And then third deck, I would say, yeah, you hit on it. Alternate across my I like that deck. I think it's the best one prize deck, but obviously has some very significant flaws. I think of chaotics well, which should be played in a...

...number of decks, and then, you know, just various alternate strategies, Faba, any type of stall. There's a lot of just different things that can disrupt. It's very like it's just a very linear deck. You don't really have any right cool tricks aside from the specific prize turns that you know, Buzzwooll and Ni Aligo and suit a Wudo offer you, and so very linear in that APP regard. Bird, I do like the deck. I do think it'll perform very well, but you know the that's just where I'm thinking heading into Consville. Can we just say for the record, if you're playing altern ACROSSMA, please play the Mar Shadow from unbroken bonds. That will be hugely helpful against cat as well. Field blowers out enough. Yes, I would agree, and it's I mean it's easy to search right your you. You know you're playing that's ball, potentially quick ball, ultra ball. I mean yeah, the Mar shadows a really, really good inclusion that I like a lot. In I think you can basically take the ninth place list from Dallas, take out the Cold Balian Adam r shadow and just call it good. That's really where I would be going if I was about. Was Thinking about Ultn acrossman for Consville. Yeah, yeah, I think cool, pretty solid way too to handle it. Day, good stuff any like. You know, I want to talk about maybe under the radar dex. We took a lot of time to talk about stall, but is there anything that you're seeing just from twitter, from people talking that's a deck that you know you maybe didn't consider before this week and now you're saying, Oh hey, this is something that could be legitimate. I don't know if they're great choices for the tournament, but I did see at the Lead Cup I was at nightmarch ended up winning and then another League Cup on Facebook I saw bes ended up winning. I'm not a huge fan of bees, so but like that kind of archetype of battle compressor. Do you see attackers? You know, we all know and love it. We're all familiar with it. Yeah, they clearly have some sort of place in this format where they can prey on these decks, just going ham with their multi prize attackers and saying, you know, night March for two hundred and twenty yours, Ashan is unfortunately knocked out, which is great. That's always a tried and true stategy. I'm not so much into it. I don't really vibe with it right now. The rise of like these control decks and all sorts of like whacky stuff going on in the side makes me less apt to play those like battle compressor ask decks. But I think they're still like solid choices and those seem to be not very talked about, which might have even led to their their wins over the weekend. Sure. Yeah, I think, I think I'm right with you there. Vessel Queen, it's a good deck. It's not my personal favorite because you can't really do any of the the tricks that you can do with the night march. You know, I'm thinking about adding things like, you know, silent lab. You can't really do that with the best queen. The easier damage numbers that you can hit with night march. You have the electric powers. You can just reach a little bit easier than you can with best queen. You know, you play Mar Shadow gx, which obviously is a really good weakness to have, a really good attacking type to have, and fighting, hitting into storre like some vmax, hitting into, I guess, Peka Ram, hitting into Zor kidding into there's one other one that I'm missing here for Phi. Oh dark. Yeah, of course, of course, hitting into dark. So that's all really you know, that's all really nice that night march has that maybe vest queen doesn't quite have. And so yeah, I'd agree with you and I march seems like a seems like a better play in the vest queen. I don't know how good of a play at the end of the day, might just be a comfort pick for some people, and I think that's perfectly acceptable because again, you do take theoretically, a decent you know you should take a decent matchup against dark or favorable match up against dark. Should take pretty good decent matchups against, you know, these new decks and our lacks v Zoshin seems reasonable. You know that you can work out of it. Again, they're attacking with two prizers and you're ideally attacking with one prisers. So that seems pretty good as well. But even as I talk just I'm recognizing there are so many decks and yeah, it's absurd. You're not going to have you're not going to have a clear cut strategy against everyone. Like heading into the tournament right you're not going to be able to test against every single deck and against every single variant of every single deck and it can be overwhelming. So if I can just give a piece of advice from a player that is played for ten years, is just don't overthink it. Go with your gut. Play a deck that's consistent and that's how, hopefully, you'll do well. So wise words, prew you cool. We're seeing some talk in the chat a little bit about Wabba Fett. I think we talked about this last last week, but it bears repeating because I've still been trying to think about a deck that uses Waba...

...fette. I think the conclusion that I've come to is that ground on, primal ground on, is probably the best Wabba Fett playing deck. Stone Turner, Stone Joerner, that's yours. Huh? Yeah, you can ninjaboy a Reggie Roc into a stone turn or an evolve it into stone turn or vmax. Okay, powers of one turn earlier. And then what you do? Two hundred seventy damage with it. Okay, yeah, that seems busted. All right, but we're talking about WABBA Fett. Anything that you're seeing that you know Wab a fact could be, could be good with we have somebody saying in the Chat Waba Fett with bats and save a lot. I think wall of baths is a little bit of a meme Waba Fett. I've seen it in a couple decks. The too that stayed out to me are I seen it in ULTN ACROSSMA decks that run mysterious treasure. I mean, I guess you don't really have to run my serious treasure to make Wabefett a viable option that deck, but I think you probably need to run multiple floatstones. I think it's okay, you know sure. There's also the trap war deck. Yes, I was hoping you would say at the Trevnoor deck can easily play the wabbafet and that kind of can offset. If they go first, they can just search out the WOB and kind of prep their turn to and kind of get off to the races that way instead of their traditional horror house strategy, and I think that works out fine. So I think that's probably if I had to pick one deck that I think really uses Wallba Fette, well, it's probably a Trev Mar deck because it really just thrives on trying to shut you down as much as possible to turn one and then ruining your life on terms two through four, right exactly. Yeah, I like that a lot. There is there's a thought there with the Trevnoor deck, like you would play the Wabbafette, and I mean it shuts down a lot of your deck, right because you're relying on shame and heavily to get set up. That then as up. Yeah, you would. You would probably play the Don wingster Crosma, be able to rush in or whatever, invasion in these your way into the active and then, you know, utilize all your ability based draw. So that's something to consider. Do you think that the Trevnoor deck will be play? Yeah, high amounts in Collinsville. I think it will see decent numbers. I don't know, like depends on like what you can throw high amounts because, like, oh, I feel to be pretty split up. I was going to say I think high amounts for this tournament would be like, I don't know, five percent, because they're just are so many archetypes that are a pretty viable. I would say there's a number of pretty viable archetypes. Yeah, I owe. I would say it's like a going to be a pretty popular deck and there's a couple reasons for that. I think it's decently strong. Now, the caveat of that being there are your kind of first out for lying of your opponents like not draw well off of their like disruption Combo. Yeah, and you're also hoping that your opponent isn't like playing dark and popping off turn one or is ash and popping off turn one round, both of which are possible. So but if you get beside that, it can take a lot of free wins, even in matchups where it shouldn't. Just buy virtue of the deck and how it operates right, which is pretty rough man like. And I was listening to a metaphorcast today and I someone had said that if you don't know what to play at, Treve Noir is a good choice, and I kind of agree with that because you have the same exact game plan versus nearly everything and it'll win. It'll get you there some amount of time in every matchup. Sure, sure, I think. I think just to throw a little bit of like a counter into your thoughts there, which are good, they're very good thoughts in the very good overview of the deck. I just think that it's easier for decks now to draw out of the you know, Trevnore lock as a were, which is really just a two card. You know, you're giving them two cards, their card that they get in hand and then the card that they draw right after. They A strainer that'll struple to in it's easier now to draw out of that because of quick ball. Yes and no. They should be playing muck right, and so if they play, if they play a lockdown, then quickball for shame. It is not an out right right so, but I mean yeah, right, right, for sure. But I'm just saying, like, if you don't get the muck out, there is only one on one line there in that deck. That's not a guarantee. And so you know that may just inherently the deck doesn't have a guarantee because that those two cards could be a sycamore apparently. But there's also the fact that, like th the the the lock is a I mean...

...it's a little bit weaker than last format because quick ball versus ultra ball is a huge difference. When you have it is it is a significant difference, although I do think they should theoretically have them buck down most games, for sure. But another thing like worth looping back to him, in my opinion, is that if the muck is down, then just drawing a sycamore isn't necessarily an out right like and expanded seven cards and hard stop therecs you have no ability draw. It's not a lot. You know, it's that's fine, but I'll sho decks can't get their knock out Combo with only seven cards, for sure. So is Trevnora deck that you would consider a Um for Collinsville kind of, and I just like don't like the kind of like Orang aspect of it, where your first off of your like very reliant on just drawing your whole Combo and basically one turn. Yeah, and that's something that makes me anxious as someone who notoriously draws poorly. So that makes me a little nervous. And just like the R and the rng aspect of it, where you know your opponent could be eretically hit the stones before you even get to do anything and just win. Or they could, you know, they could theoretically just draw perfectly off the top deck plus the Card in hand and beat you that way. And so I mean I can't yeah, I can't wait for, you know, you to play a Trevnoor deck right in Collinsville and then we get all the text like I can't believe he had, you know, goose mo off the ace trainer and the trebnore and the yeah, can you know it? But like, I wouldn't even be that bad because it's like something that you inherently accept when you play the deck. You know you are saying, you know what that one card is, crape. It's just like I know, I get it, I that's like part of the deck. Sure, I like how to slight train of thought, but it's completely gone. So I guess it's not important. All right, well, good, all right. So are there any top decks that we missed? I'm going to circle back to one that I think is good in terms of just attacking decks and then we can move on to another section, just talking about some some text that we like for the tournament. But sure next that we missed. I think one here attacking deck that I really do enjoy is ATP WITH BLISS CEPHALON. Yeah, I think you could play ATP with Zashin and have similar results, but I do just like the acceleration from the deck. would be string the type coverage and having a fire attacker. I don't know just and then I like the deck. I like the deck, I think it's fun, I think it's good. I think it's one of the better attacking decks and especially people aren't prepared for it with things like ranger. Then I think it can do pretty well. Are there any decks like that that we just maybe didn't talk about that should be on somebody's radar if they're going to Consville? That's honestly probably a one of the better like little rogue kind of archetypes, I like on paper. Or what do you hear the name of at Plowce? The deck sounds like complete crap, but then when you actually think about like a few behind it, it works pretty well. Yeah, and it actually is really good versus turbos, Ash and decks. So that's not something that you can just like write off either. So I like the deck too. I don't think I'll play it, though. Sure. Okay. So then you're saying that we've covered every pretty much every deck that you would expect to see. I I'm trying to think. There's just like so many decks. Yeah, well, we'll come back and I'm sure that the the chat will let us know here when we go to the open questions, but I want to ask you here before we do that and chat start start getting some questions ready. But here's I have a list of four cards here, all right, and I'll ask you give me, on a scale of one hundred, twenty five how likely you will be to play this card in your list in Collinsville. Okay, so I don't I don't know quite what you're leaning towards, but these are just some cards that I think are very good or have their uses. And just give me one to five how likely you are to play this card in your list. You gotta Pokemon rang like a too too. Why is that? I think I just don't like the card. The only decks I would feasibly play it in our special enrag you DEX, and even then it's not a guarantee for me. So yeah, yeah, it feels like a card that I think to me there are very just obvious decks that can afford to play pokemon ranger and there are very obvious decks that cannot afford to play pokemon right the the difference really comes down to like, I mean one of the differences comes down to like how much drap how are you have, how much ability based draw you have. So I deck like Zorg which can draw off the board. A deck that just plays a bunch of like Shayman and you know did then and stuff, which draws like that is, I feel, a better choice to play Pokemon Ranger, then you know a deck that doesn't do all those things. You...

...know, and and so, yeah, Pokemon Ranger, interesting card. Will it's play? Will Not see play? I think the general majority of players are saying no, you know, they won't play it in their deck or they're not considering a deck that would need ranger. And so, you know, take that for what it's worth. How About Watch and learn? Sudo would a one hundred and twenty five. In certain decks it's like an an auto five and other decks it's a it's a zero. So if you could sustain in the counter energy, for whatever reason, I think it's worth including. It's really good in this format. Okay, why do you think it's really good in this format? Is Ashian, for one thing. And if there's a small axe without a Altariam, play at one shots that and if there is, if you hit the right conditions, versus dark at one shots those guys. So got just like a one prizer that can really put a hole through a lot of the main archetypes in the format. A Jack of all trades as a word. Yeah, and it can do I mean it can do decent work against you know, I mean the something like ultra across. Yeah, I can ultra across my mirrors. It does work, for sure. It's just like it's a good card right now. For sure. Yeah, rapid ash, GALERIAN rapid ash. I would, I wish I could include it in more deck, but the only deck I would include it isn't store lax. So I'll give it like a one, because it's really just predicated on me playing small ax or not. Sure. Anyway, it's not a guarantee. So sure, sure, so I would. I would extend that a little bit. You know, glaring rapid as has the benefits of not being able to be shut down by mock, which is the primary yeah, what? Absolutely, yeah. Yeah. What is it which is the primary reason you would play it over something like Oh valion or Com fey, for I'm thinking specifically of the shock lock Matcher, but also maybe has some utility in dark, you know against dark, for blocking the dead enngx attack. But let's extend that now. So rapid as obviously needs an evolution. So it's going to be just that, a little bit slower. How likely would you be to play some type of status condition blocking effects like Kobellion come fevers in g or x, something like that. I would probably play one in every deck that could okay, you know, like I'm not going to play sparkling robe in dark, but but I'll definitely play a valley and sash. Okay, I like it. Last card, one hundred five stealthy hood, Stell, the hood. I love that card. It's like a four or five. Okay, give me a reasoning. I just think it's like a generally good card right now. That's a lot of niche uses that I think people overlook. One that actually came up at my League Cup was I was playing Zosh in against the Trev noar deck and I need to hit to seventy on. I't try no more that particular turn. So I put a hood on Idell my eyes, and I was able to attack through Bok. Similarly, like you can put a hood on yours actually and to draw cards your you can put a hood on your dark r x to retreat with, or hood on your we vile Gx to retreat to move your energy with. It's just like it's got a lot of utility right now. I think it's really good card. Sure, cool. All right. Well, let's move into open questions. I have a few on the twitter that I'll pull up, but I have one work card. Actually, feel blower is an eight. It's an auto. Include one and probably include two. That's really interesting because I think just from my experience, and maybe this is maybe I'm off here, but I don't really like the garbodor line in general. I and I'm not saying that feel blower is only for Garbodor, but I'm just saying, like I feel like trash land right now is in a very maybe the weakest spot that it's ever been in, since it's releasing for Gard Man, just like getting rid of crappy tools and getting rid of chaotics wells and right, and particularly like silent labs, can really screw you over, and so having extra outs of those just like I couldn't agree more with you. I think feel blowers really good card. I've been, you know, wanting multiple copies, and again not for something like the garbotox and ability, but more for just the auxiliary, you know, tools and stadiums and other things that kind of come up that can be problematic. So I like the you brought that up. We have a question here in the chat about Zorark. I personally don't love ZORC. I don't know that I would ever choose to play Zor arc for this tournament, and I think it's a lot to do with kind of figuring out the first turn rules. We still don't I mean we know by now what they are, but we don't know how they quite interact with the card pool, and so zork feels like a very risky play to me to take into this kind of unknown format and I just don't like it because it doesn't syndergize that well with the with the turn one rules. I don't love accelerate or evolution decks right now, outside of maybe Ralllett alone...

...and executor. Yeah, I agree. Is Ark was already looking on the weak side in Dallas. John Age was really the only one to really take it anywhere and in his matches against hunter the deck looked like complete crap just because the it got trounced completely by the sure, I think you're Tina deck. So I don't think there's anything that really would have suggested that you could take the deck further now and you could before. Sure. Sure. So, Luke asks from twitter. Is An unknown deck going to perform well at Collinsville? And that's just the that's the first part of the question. So is an unknown deck going to perform well accounts? I think that's a little bit of a loaded question just because of worse, because we don't know, you know, quite all the known decks, like there are still so many very or like a known deck, but there's a totally different variant of yeah, you know. So, yes, of course I think an unknown deck will do well. I let's like maybe solidified this question. Do you think an unknown Deck Will Win Collinsville? That is a lot tougher of a question. I don't think anything completely unknown will win. It might be unexpected, but I don't think it'll be completely unknown. Okay, you don't think there will be like a true you know twenty fifteen? Why, Lord, Stall Unknown Deck to come out and perform well? I don't think so. Add it to you have a different answer for that? No, I'm just I'm just asking, just try. I've I was as scariest though, if you thought maybe there was the potential there for something. I just like, I feel like this format has been pretty heavily explored and so there could be something that's like unexpected or people didn't really account for well enough, but I don't know if there's something that would really be unknown. Okay, okay, there's a second question from Luke saying this and will just switch slightly into standard for just one second. This standard, the standard format, not talking about expanded standard format, the standard have a best deck in format? It probably does, and I would be at Psashan. That being said, I don't think it is so much better than all the other decks that it completely wipes them off of viability, and that becomes incredibly obvious when you see the fact that the finals were two welder decks. So yeah, but if you look at the CP that it took home, it was complete blow out. It was absurd. I do think that we can handily put Zash in ATP as the Best I can in the format, because it has the answers to everything. You never get blown out of games, you know, assuming that you, you know, draw a supporter. You know obvious the Times that you'd and even the Times that you did draw like you can still work your way out of that because you just have the inherent draw of of a car likexation. So I, like the Deck Guy, would declare it, I pronounce the Best I can format atps Acien sash for the yeah, those, I says, as seen close, a closer than your average attempt. But yes, yes, very, very strong, strong deck. And then still staying in the standard format. We have one question from Jeremy, who asks how should one adapt their tech choices for the future of standard based on OCIC results? You know, I don't know if there's anything that really came out of OCI see that makes me think. You know, now I got a tech for this or like I have to adjust the way. You don't think? You don't think something like like obstacleon makes you rethink how you build a deck. Not Really, if I don't really factually money. Yeah, not really. I mean, like the only thing that really comes to mine is it might include a Granincha in Yumo, okay, and like a one of water energy or something. Sure, but that would really be about it. I don't think. Like the Zascian decks have already kind of reached the state that I'm pretty happy with. They're already kind of playing the vitality DAS, the big charms and like all the all the text for the mirrors. I mean at that point, like what do you really do sure, sure, it's only so far. You could take it, Jason says, cramerant V to Snipe Shamanston to Denne's. We're moving back into expanded maybe exploring obviously the V cards are new, to expand it. So something like crammer at V, would that be viable in any deck to to use it as kind of a finisher or away to snipe those bench sitters? I think camer V is pretty good. Like me, you counter decks because just for a DC and a D valley you get one hundred and sixty snipe, which is pretty much the highest damage you're getting out of you for that kind of energy. So right,...

I think it's decent. Yeah, and it's first attack is useful, you know, if you just happen to start it or something. Sure, pokemon readers asks is a TP rats, a meme, and I think it is because you don't you wouldn't get the extra effect of the knockout because you have to use some type of damage modifier like shrine or laser. People like meeting with ATP with the low eradicategx. Yeah, Right, Oh, a low and Radik a Gx, but I think does like eighty damage. It would do one hundred and ten. I don't know what the appeal is. I'm not sure. Okay, so, yes, I say it's a meme. I I don't know why you would ever play I'm like trying to think of the reasons you would play that. I guess you have more room for like disruption or something, but that just feels horrific. I think we're getting trolled on our own podcast. Yeah, like radicate to me only seems viable till I attack Piars or something. There you go. Yeah, right, right, and then beyond that it's just a horrible it is awful. Yeah, one one thing I want to ask Riley. We didn't really talk about Humpty dumpty. Of course, egg grow vile plume and that has been a deck that I've kind of fallen off of, you know, as the egg grow king. I just I don't love it for Collinsville, but I also will say I didn't love it for Dallas and it performed extremely well comparative to where, you know, I thought it would. So how do you feel about vile plume heading into Consville and is it something that you would suggest somebody play? I wouldn't suggest anyone play it at least at the moment. I think if the deck is to be playable, it has to be significantly rethought and how it's built and the engine that goes into it as it stood. If you just did like the for bridget kind of engine, I think it's completely unviable in the consule format because it's way too easy just to donk whatever you start with that kind of engine. If he's if you move more to like a quick ball and a netball and an s ball kind of engine, there might be something there. But even then I think it's a little rough. Just like one badly timed hood can ruin your day and I feel like people are kind of liking hood right now just for like general use cases on other things. So sure it's it doesn't seem like it's in its best spot ever, although I will say I think the deck is decent against some of these stall decks. Sure, sure, and I would be, you know, one really good reason to play it. I think we've kind of talked a lot on the cast, for better for worse, about stall, but I mean it's clearly something that's on your mind. It's something that I you know, stall archetypes in general. I think are very good and they were good last format and they will be good here. You know, certainly some one will go far with the stall archetype. So I think it's worth talking about. But yeah, like you said, I think the Balplum decks have a decent time handling some of these stall archetypes and might be a reason why you would want to play it. Yeah, so Ninja at Dusk's Ninja at dusk and asks why is baby radicate bad and never been played? It seems so good on paper. That's exactly the problem. It seems good on paper and it's really it's a it's hard to get the Combo off every turn. Yeah, because you're losing the energy and the rat and he lost and you have to find a new laser every turn. Although I did just play a deck online that like very consistently got it, but it had like multiple actilleries and of a cargo out, which is not a guarantee, right. But anybody on that? If your funny of jlay is a special condition blocker, that's unfortunate because it's you don't say anything by just say you got bodied. Right, I did get body by that. That's what I'm alluding to. But if you have any sort of special condition out like a rapid ash or, you know, calfee, or it's called fee right. Yeah, okay, it's called and or coevalion or Rizzian or like mcgear and ax or something like. All of those like kind of ruin your days. So I don't know. Sure, yeah, it's just all that little stuff. I mean you could play things, are playing that stuff anyway. All of a sudden. Yeah, and then like so something like shrine doesn't affect the Pokemon v. So now baby eradicate wasn't good in the past and like that gets worse now because you're you're removing an option to do that extra last bit of damage, and so now your forster on laser. But, like you said, they're all these status blocking pokemon that see, you know, pretty heavy play because they're countering other decks in the format. So that is that is the dish...

...on baby eradicate. It's a very good Riley, I think. I think that'll do it for the cast today. I think this was a very enlightening cast for me, hopefully for the listeners and the viewers. Appreciate it, guys, for all the listening. Again, the viewership and the downloads have been absolutely preposterous, absolutely ludicrous, off the wall, bonkers, insane in Sonio Bousto and we just thank you so much. Please make sure to check out our tag team twitter, at tag team Pokemon, and all of our twitters, both individually, so at smiles with riles for Riley and at Real John Walter for me. Appreciate again all the support, all the listenership and, yeah, we can't do it with how you were excited to see about Collinsville. Thank you, guys, all so much. Thank you all tuned in. We will catch you next week. Peace.

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