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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 2, Episode 5 · 1 year ago

2-4. Mostowy's Monstrous Meta Call

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

All right, what is that everybodywecome back to tag team, the POKMON trading card games for me or podcasting,do my name is Ryley Holbert joined by my good friend, Gwe cree? Well, andthis week we have a special guest with us, John Wa Staowy, a local player fromOhio who just came off a fantastic, finishing colinsil everybody how wedoing today doing great John. How are you being pretty good ma, feelo good thanksfor having me on yeah? Of course, this is really an exciting time. We aretrying to just invite. Guess that we know have. You know either been in thegame along time done something special and you certainly have fit the bill. So we're very happy tohave you here and Happyn to get a into the interview appreciate. It soundsgood yeah. So for those of you who are unaware this past weekend inCollinsville Illinois, there was an expanded regional championship. We kindof covered it a little bit this last week. Talking about the fear we had ofstaldecks and all sorts of crazy archetipes that might appear andexpanded and low behold John kind of fulfilled the prophecy and took hispiror attacking Hoopah kind of a little bit of everything, the stall deck allthe way to top for finish, bringing home the glass. So before we get deepin the tournament, though, I just want to know like a little bit more aboutyou, John, so you know how long you playing Pokemon, who are you within thegame? What's your favorite Pokemon? Maybe what are some things that we canuse to get to know you sure I guess? First and formonths, Ireigned from CINCINNAT HIA or y hometowns in Sempson, I'm moving toSandusski, so I play in the northern Ohio region where it's prettycompetitive. You know full grips just an hour and a half away and there's alot going on here and I've been playing. My first tournament was in two thousandand six, so I've always been. I've always had my my foot in the water fcompetitive play whether it was a prerelease, a random national, that Idecided to go to a two thousand and eight I was always. I was alwaysinterested in the game. Yeah, it's like Oiai is here and there Yo, Oh yeah, ohyeah, but after I graduated from college, Idecided that Hey I've got a little bit of an expendable income. Now I canstart getting serious about the game, and last year I decided to to make t myfirst competiticee AO grind it out, get into worlds and start plying oout. ITiv ree, yeah, absolutely and you're on a pretty good tear this season. John,you have three top sixteen placements. Obviouslythe most recent was the top four kind of walk us through maybe this year andwhat has changed from either last year to this year or what has changed eitherfrom the last two years to when you first started getting into the game atin two thousand and six right. So two thousand and six, I'm a senior dad,still drive me around a tournament. I'm getting excited when I pull a random excard, I'm still getting excited about the holographics that ie pulled andyou're starting to think about how to put them into your deck. Oh Yeah, Oh II,wasn' even seeing my stuff back, then. Are you serious? The Games change significantly last year last year was definitely ifthere was a a bad year to pick to start the crime ewas last year, five hundredfifty CP like what at's. That was why but yeah I tened to make cops, is likeas many challenges as I could and a few regionals here and there and was ableto land it. But this year I started to take im more conservative approach. Iwasn't sure if I thought the grind was going to be worth it, but at world whenthey announced that it was going to be in London. I got really Hiph, so I said,okay, all my friends, an I told I was going to quit. They were like JohnReally, because I didn't quit, of course- and I started to put more time-ITTA preparation into looking at the metaphorcast and to picking the best thebest sex for the field, and I'veonly attended these three regionals three cups and, I think, like ninechallenges, and I earn point that seven of the nine challenges points it to fthe three cups and pretty successfully in these thre regionals and spendingmore time methodically wondering and asking questions aboutwhat people are expecting what people are going to bring then acting on those.I think I've been able to get more bag for my buck, so to speak sure duringthe season sure that's cool, that's cool! So John. What is your favoritePokimon and what is your favorite Pokemon Card? We'll start, there suresure fair pokemon has always been sbion. I know it's kind of Cliche with theeviilucions thing, but just Rallas rea, like that pokemon favorite card, that's tough! I, like, I think,Yesponix from unseen forces is really cool. Te Go with e Ev yeahus a gorgeouscar just from the foil to all the card. All the xparts are in that era werejust sort of yeah there's, Oh man, but that specific one is just like verycaptivating, and it's like a the front of my Sbon binder.So that's awesome and that's that's...

...also the name of your ptcgo accounts.Please don't that doesn't need to be if anyone's watched. My so they'll knowthat John has quit more than once in Thi screem game, so yeah sorry you'regetting called outbro you're getting called off that's funny. This is, it isa no leak's account. They know things to Campershire no likes culture is real. Then that's funny yeah as Beyon S is aclassic for sure. I know esbion carried me through Pokon Callsem back in theday. That's what a gro go back. Yeah, Fr yeahaven't thought about that in a long time, yeah well, Imbron just didn't. Doa lot of damage. SBON was complete opposite of the ton. He's a beefy boy. Yeah evryod is verybeefy h. He hadsomeways did more damage at SBON because he would survive morethan one hid, so yeah sure sure. That's definitelysomething to consider so Johnny Talk About Your Youre, getting more bank for your buckin terms of going to maybe more of the bigger events and then putting your allinto those what's kind of your favorite part of game in general or going to aregionals, the preparation is, is easily the it'sso stressfulbut, it's also the most fun, because that's when you can see thegearstern, you know you get a couple guys to focus on one idea, and you knowmaybe you're you're going grocery shop and you're pushing the cart and you'rethinking about your deck and you're like picking up an apple and you'relike wait, a second. What if we cut this cardin out of the different car,whor you're at the gym, your mid Curl and you're like wait? A second! What ifwe cut these two cars? A have thesetocractons that this happened to me a couple of times throughout mypreparation for Noxville, my preparation for forcon so, and I wouldjust either know I'd randomly message that one of my testing partners be likelook what? If and then we took the idea when I when I got home and it would work out and that's that'swhen the validation came, that's when it got really good to be playing the game. Sure sure now Ihave this kind of obsession, sometimes in certain formats and with certaindecks of finding the perfect sixty cards. Is that ever something that youad here to as well? Oh, of course, of course you always want to have what youfeel to be the best sixty because I mean, if you're taking a test, and youget ninety eight. I don't know by you guys, but my personal, my firstimpression is w, where those two points: Where do those go wrong? UHHUH, wheredi I go wrong. So if I'm playing at a tournament and I'm like realizing thatone card is dead was like, why am I even playing this card? And where did Igo wrong in my preparation? So I always look for that perfect sixty as wellcool cool. So you, yes, speaking of perfect sixty! You know you obviouslybrought a very, very strong stall deck to Collinsville an I think. Well,transition over there now talk to us a little bit about the CollinsvilleTournament. Just give us like a general overview kind of going into thetournament. What were you expecting and what were the text in your deck thatyou played to counter the things that you expected to do? Well: okay, yeah th,the top three decks that I had in mind going into the tournament was Ultima,Grozma, Zatnz and probably turbodark. I think with I the main three so zasanvfantastic for so many reasons. The ability doing two hundred twenty, Msfor three energy with metal, sofcer and unheard of, and with the intripitsortability just cards, complete, guess, cards insane for so the I teck, the sute widow with watchind,learn as a way to compat that I don't want Mysell to be a complete saldeck. Ithink that it needs to have inherent out t different bokman that you canexpect, so he got in Thi he's wlid in thereUlterna, Crosma, obviously being hyped up by by you guys other contentcreators. So I snet the dogs back into the deck to give myself some more timeto Faba Thet ouble dragon energy away Su and thankfully it some of thosethose are cits. I didn't hit any ther about dark right. Yeah, Chardar, seen tkind of the low Er consile to be honet, yeah yeah, I think Ben Cryer was the onethat took it the furthest but didn't correct Tropai either. So this could be. This could require arenaissance for the turber dark, arctype as a whole. Moving intoCharlotte, don't know what that'll look like just yet, but yeah. It was interesting, the TATAE Ofor sure. So overall it seemed like yourexpectations, kind of Aligne with reality, a lot of those decks did did ed uppopulating many of the tables, the tournament not always towards the top,because I think a lot of people had their eyes on those decks, but I'm sureyou hit more than one of those of those...

...matchups now. Obviously, though, inexpanded tournament, it's really hard to narrow down to just a couplematchups. So what did you do to keep your deck in sink with like themetagame as a whole, given thit so vast yeah? So what I think my da does well,it's because it's it doesn't commit all the slots of being a stall deck. Iknowtht there were doll, Sall players that playing there playing the for dolland then the four rowbows up. I don't play the rebosovs because I don't wantto get I don' lock to Oblivian. I don't want to commit those four port text toa matchup in the which they won't be helpful. Instead, I put the Seudowudoin. I found those extra three splots to bee for pyror and those single hand inme, Sol handily won me the DOTN, p matchups, and there was like an ATP Zasindeck that Iplayed against in Piror sweat. It was fantastic, so I think that having youknow you can you can get away with the one of the two ovs and expanded formatbecause of your abilities. A picked up is Tho, singular cards in your deck andjust having enough of those, despite how they may might seem likeinconsistent incositencys that surfice value can can get to all the way. Sure.Absolutely I'm looking here at the POKEMON in your list. You had piroar,you had Hoopa, you had draftoring Mimiu with impersonation suuwudo watching, learn the derant withchip off Buntlbe Munchlax Lugia is your head. Spinning I mean you just had aton of Hocemon here. Was it ever? was there ever a matchupthat you had to like maneuver between a bunch of your textsthat made it particularly difficult yeah, so on specific matchup wasactually the ADC aption matchup that I alluded to earlier. That player wasalso playng, northern Gx and Brady. We were on the same. Sixty he had playedthat it played him in day one and lost. So we talked at Tor the match and hewas like dude. I think this is about Al Loss. He got a balance between walling Te, the GX pokem on and theZassian, and then h the noipron could come out of nowhere and could ruin yourday. Sure and I needed to beat this player and then my round fourteenopponents to make it in the Tope, that's where it was in day to and sowhan I wed hit when I hit him my heart kind of sunk, because I was like how amI goin to maneuver between these poem on what I did was I tried to figure outhow many northern he was playing and when I found out that he was onlyplaying one. The only thing I had in my mind was I got to Geve rid of thisiveren either by malling. It discarding it from his hand or by killing it sowhether it was targeting the noybat before it could avolve using thipoffsand praying or browing. I just prioritized either Fok my oasperfect for that situation. During the round Thend, I eventually won becauseof that sure sure did it go to three games. I did go to three games yeah. Ileft game one, but then got love, Yo ap a chip off and game to, and he had tohe ascarted that game. Three, so rs yeah, Er cool cool, very good, soCOMSVILLE. You know you had these kind of decks in your mind that you wereexpecting what was maybe the most out there deck that you just like, had real,no, no real game plan for or that kind of caught you by surprise, Oh yeahColton in top forth, his EG Ro secutor Xelande best deck whatever. That was lkbecause I was like. Oh, I didn't know what was going on. That's a CS: it washoly cow yeah. If I went back in time and replayed that game with thedechknowlodge that I had in game to, then I feel like it would have beenfine but game one. It was just like what are you doing but gee in that deck yeah sure so going into going into day to whatwere some of your? I don't know just fom matchups that you really enjoyedare like particular games that you can remember that you just want to. I don'tknow, reminisce about or have have in auto audio lore. You know foreverrecorded orally for the masses to hear in thefuture all rightr immediately. I can just disavow round ten. Eleven andtwelve thatre against trevnor were not no way. They were miserable, Ohyeah,yeah, thots, just trav after travever Trao. He I was like you got to bekedding me. What's Tom Doing to me here, yeah, but my top DA magic ans TeandeMahone, that's norlike, dmx matchup, what a ride! What Ar Riht? I was. It'scrazy yeah talk to us a little bit about it yeah. I was througld that Threo high wandsmade inthe top te MES at Cooper and Andrew, so we're like. Oh, this isgreat. Ohio had a fantastic, showing, etc, but when I saw that I was playingis Andrew, I was like man. It would have been cool if we got to beat in topfor of the finals, but there was the...

...matchup is generally in my opinion,favored for for my deck, because you have enough dolls, you can lost Te,lost the triple aceleration and move on about your day, no problem, but I had learned that he was playingcarget, whistle and dowsing machine and two secial charge. So Andrew waspacking. He was ready to go. Agais saw, I was like okay, this is, and then thisis a matchup where four subs would be would be helpful right. I woasobviously sand for sub in game one. I wasn't really doing muchof anything for like four or five turns I'd like to teammates in my hand, I lika Erafork in my active spot and a doll in on my bench, and that was it. Heeventually stingared me and continue to end me into nothing and the game was over. So that's notbad, but game to I was able to set up get my get my dogsout and, despite you singering me, I was able to get a really nasty chipof.On his hand, there was yeah, he was. He was te stock piling for a big play andthere was just a moment in my heart wereas like I feel it. I got a hip upright now: U Idn boy into the Durant, announced ship off and discarded sereetriple acceleration energy. Oh, let's go I mean I felt like an absolute boller.I was like this is the ant was aunt saved my life like the aunt man was. Iwas ewas fantastic and at that point he had four triple acceleration in hisdiscard pile because he had want to kill something else and after he I think he had like anaccess to a target whistle in like one more special charge. I was able tocalculate that if I could just get rid of get rid of any to the pokemon O mydiscard, or as long as he as long as I had enough dolls out, he couldn't winthe Game Gotcho. I was able to take that one from him, but games three wasthat was another ride. I felt Bhat because Andrew was drawing incrediblydead or the Firstu of few turns. I got all four dollars up and ti was called at which point he's the only one thatcan take a knockout to win again because you're, both tha six prizesright and before time was called. However, he wasforced to pention execute in order to draw carts to get to seem out ofashameent. We do our clus three turns and he'segot like seven pokmanas bench with Altaria. So now I can't take a knockout if I want to watch ham, learn something if he tries to attack a dollsure and I m a Ou Steven's resolve just because I got to find something I gottado something and Summin through my dad then lit Teo iselitly, I'm like okay, asecond you realize this Ecutprettych Gotlaly wit SA. I Sai WatEco Energy, I ficke double color of energy, I'm praying to God that I havegoos my Mudeck he's wit in my deck. I keep my cool. I put three cards in myhand and then I pray do Andrew, do not and me or I will unsubscribe from ayoutub channel not and me Wa. He plays Wuanona once he playswinona yeah. I pray a little harder. Do not have field blower and blow right,your edg off the bench right you not blow away, and he does not do thateither. I Dro I my CARC for the turn. I played the Litleo Down Acoos him up toexecute. I touch double color of energy and I'm in top for that. So you didn't know the Lilio could dothat. Even until the moment it happened well, I'm never attacking an retat or Freehe's in the DEXK. Wecan retreat for free. It's funny and I think it's I think it's better, that Iplayed it off kind of oblivious to the the LITLEYOTEC, because maybe an I,whether because because body linguage is such a Keat Component Tro card gamesfrom poker seping to this, maybe I was able to let on the fact that I wasclueless hat. I was hopeless and maybe I don't know hat Andrew was ableto egage that for me or not, I don't know, did what do you Mak that playwhen you made that play, I mean Andrews, you know Andes a good he's, a goodsport about piter. You know so when you made that play. Did He, like you know,was he like? Oh Man, I had the fiel blower in my hand, like you have made acounterplay than the one that he did. I think you just said he should havebeend. He just said he should have been, and that was it okay, so he just hejust didn't know that you could that you had the capability to take aknockout, and so he just didn't end go yeah. Okay, I mean hey. That's that'sgreat. I mean what Woel you feeling when you, when you did it, I mean whatwere you feeling when you took that knockout and away that your deck justdoesn't win? You won with just what was that feeling of going to top for andlike have Yo Furtherin your chances of winning the tournament yeah, I mean itremind me of Wy, I playd the game, I'm a competitor of my heart and being ableto dig deep and discover a way to win, despite the ods being against me. Imean that's why you play book muntrayworking. It feels really good and...

...coming out on top, despite thecircumstances I mean on working, ask absolutely man. That's awesome. Youjust beat Ante Bahone you're moving on to top for Ans Colton days, executordeck before you get into how that kind of series went. What were you thinkingfor that? Matchup, what was your game plan? How are you going to approach?That could be honest. I would not. I knewthat there was like there was like some blockhading involved. There was likeenergy removal, also yeah thagothere's a lot going out, there' so much. I washonestly thinking, Itd, be more of a tream lined EG grodeck and thought that I could just run hemover with pyror figured out midgame that this was notthe rout and had to like Redo so many things ind know, so I had to todefinitely dacktital offsat, but I thought maybe, if I could keep hiroinmy active spot, munch laks on the bench. You know: Recycle fire, energy and justscorching. Thank for the for the entirety of the seventy five minutes.I'd walk away, a thousand dollars more rich, but thatthat was that an etily di not be the Git Wath, not the case, because youroved a lot of energy sure yeah they did said I could not use support it.Ether, yeah LE', talk about a little bit more about the Neuanso that gamegame. One I W S. I was watching from the sidelines it looked like. The lockwas pretty heavy hitting game one, but you said that you had new knowledge andgame to, and you ended up winning game to. I think pretty aggressively rightwith some aggressive burrows from like turn to so yeah overall, looking back,let's hit on how the match actually went, but if you could do it over whatwere things that you would do differently? The first thing I would have donedifferently will letme just throw this clamer out there. You cannot, when youhave Mimiq in the act of spot using a personnation, you cannot use gladianbloody and go straight to the discard pile. You can not search your prizecars and pick a prive card from you from there. Correctthe sporters died,yes, and he compoted of my price cars was on will be in a double colorlessenergy and game one and so not having access to those whacs a big blow to mychances. The only reason I didn't scoop I'll just tare this out there as well,was because he had like a few cards left in deck and in my brain I was likeI don't want to lose it hand so milt exactly. I don't want to lose this. Idon't want to burn these forty minutes of Gametime if you've got sort of sofew cards up. I deck. If I don't see, I don't see, is Patan Lia for a littlebit. I didn't know if Hou Played Bellabu or not so my brain is like if Ican keep manually retreating, shovih them back or put the peep putting themon pop of my deck with snack search, I might have a chance, but he played theabout e play. Tade LIVESA, that's how it went right. I would thegame. I adjusted my gay plan for game to by using supporters withimpersonation just consistently switching between the DRAPPERIG, theBuntleb and the durant. I controlled his hand milled his deck and was ableto play my own cards with Mimicou all the WHI. He was doing ten damage rightso and that's what I would have donedifferently again, one yeah o. What was up so overall? Do you think your deckhas a fair shot against the matchhup? Do you think it's even favoret, if yougo very aggressive with milling like it, seemed like kind of a blowout in gameto that game, US over very fast yeah yeah. I think that it's, I think,that's like iay a role. That's not favorable, so I mean that's just justat's part of the fun of expanded, though, because you can build theseWaki deckes unique decks that no one's ever tested against right right. Theyre,not, I think exactly, and I think that's part of thereason why staldecks might might work is with decchknowledge and having anidea of what your phone is playing. You can moon over around their out, beprepared for their outs. I was not prepared for this guy's outor this guys a so. I had no Roud game, one but sure that'swhat it sure yeah yeah definitely definitely well. Congratulations on afantastic run top for is nothing to scoff ad, although I'm sure you wantedto see that chefdarn, the finals, I'm sure we'll have plenty ofbout tosay aout tredmor later but wi believe e has some questions for Oboys Wel. Oh,yes, John! We had just a break up a little bit ofthis interview. I want to ask you a couple of rapid fire questions. Okay,are you ready, so it's going to be this or that either or okay I' ready to goall right, ready, cater dog dog Pepsi or coke, Coke Apple or Android Apple, Alwinter, R, summer summer,phone call or text ocal, mullets or mutton chops, neither nuges or Tendes, Oh boy,...

Nogge, POK, hem on red or poke hem on bluehellop officer, Jenny or nurse Joy, Oberter, Jenny, onethousand, Pokemon or one billionlions? Oh One thousand COKOMON wow, all right, maybe a controversial take, butone thousand Polkman all right, interesting, interesting, all right! Sonow that, now that we're in your head, even moreAndyou, were just alluding to this, and talking about this right before, how do you build and succeed with theserogue decks like what is it that draws you to rogue? What is it that draws youspecifically in these last? You know your last few finishes to stall. What is it about kind of going off ofthe beaten path that really draws you in the Soi'll take Blu car? On my metal, forexample, I think that was probably my most creative build in this, at leastin this for matter in this. Is this season the idea of playing somethingthat people don't don't expect is an inherent advantage already? If youbring something that people don't don't know about, are I'm familiar with thequote: Fear of the unknown is enough to either get into a player's head is tois enough to frustrate them, sometimes is enough to sometimes make them Makeinmake a sub optibl play because they aren't sure what you have going on andI think that's really cool. I think that's part of the reason why Bokomanis so funn its because somebody can come out of come out of nowhere with aweird card. I think that the Obstacun deck that took OCSC by storm is a greatexample, despite it being quote a meme or something that players jusrespected. I forgot his name, but he took it uponhimself to to proove people wrong and to like the body, so many people andlike cot to him man good t as well you'R inconsole exactly right right and Tim Bartles, ten Yep Joa Totim soit's atem for his performance there and I think the allure of I don't really care for the wholesocial component of of being hailed as this Roa guy or whatever, but it's alittle cool when people are like you know, what's what's John Glen or betteryet, what's Frank persect plan? What's this roxy chump saying what is this newcramarant back that he's built and I personally love seeing that guys that guys workbecause branks just a mastermind and and how we persen deck building, alsoand and yell. She looking at his list on limit list that Du that so much going on and thatjust that's really cool right. That's IHE's got everything in there yeah.That's t e signature of a frank deck I feel like is that's every Tiner, yeahyeah I mean, and sometimes it sometimes it works. Well, sometimes it flaps, butI mean when it's got frank persos signature on there at least worthagander, and that's what kind of draws me to play in those Roger off the wallback, okay, okay, so would you say that you enjoy just having like the I don'know? Would you say you enjoy the prestige that comes with it at all, wou you enjoy that the goal of the game eventually ultimately is to win its to win, but ifyou can do so with a little bit of Sleg, you know it with a little bit of a wit,a little bit of spice of flair. I mean it right rightright. I think that's inputting your own little stamp on e on the deck that you created or somethinglike that. Why not? Why not? When I look at the Dallas result and I seerockty com, I will forever think that was Franksdeck and I think for Frank.That's that's something! You should be proud of that something that you can.You can carry as a player for for as many years as he wants to o competewith, and so I think it's that's pretty cool for sure. I think Youre fouere,full clap, chasor you'd be really cashingin on social media likes, whichI don't think you reala. No, I'm cool, I'm cool, so not full Li cloud chase. How do youknow when to approach like a Ro strategy right, so you come up with allsorts of a little bit off the wall strategies. You know your expandadeck alittle less so than lucarimal metal, but I still, I still think it was alittle nontraditional. What to you speaks to a deck being. That's thething you want to test with and work on, because what I find is Roaddex willtake a lot more work than at established archetype to really get totheir potential. So how do you know when you want to dive down that rabbi?Hole thankfully, and expanded? It's prettyeasy, because the card pool is so big and there are a lot of UN there lot,it's a relatively unexplored format and when new sets come out, it just opensthe itmost for time, I'm going to...

Toronto. This next week, in which I'mnot, I probably wouldn't play something cute a Roge simply because there's Idon't have a lot of experience with format right now iv do I have likebarely a week to prepare, and just this established arc stypes, I don'tthink they have. They don't have a whole live ofweaknesses. That card that I see in the Carpool can capitalize on when when the format seems to be played out likeit was in Oxville with with Mutu Tikaran abilityzard. That's when my brain, I'm like okay,because these are the three or four established deck. Let me go back in aPTCGO click on show, not owned and start looking for stuff and having theexperience from the leak cup that I had the week friar when I playe the mail, metal deck and topfor okay. Let me let me take this idea. Polished up a little bit, throw someother stuff in there ship it that's kind of whan. I think that it'sa good time to to go for it yeah. So it's it almost seems, like yourphilosophy, is a little bit different in standard and expanded, whereasexpanded such a wide pool. You can kind of dive in early, whereas standard hasa limited pool. So you need a very narrow perspective on the Meta and thenyou can pone in on that perspective, that' Soutd right right, yeah and expanded. When you can, youcan go early because Thereis, it's an unexplored metal and standard.Sometimes it's better to go a little later, when the best ex are fleshed outand people's perceptions of the Meta can very easily be the flipped, becauseyou've got the you got the AE in the whole, so o speak well, and I don'tknow if you feel this way John, but for for me, I've been playing for a longtime and I've been playing before they even had an expanded format, and sohave you. And so I wonder if you feel the same way that I do where I almostfeel that that expanded is the the thinking man's format, where you justhave so many cards available to you that that's not that shouldn't be aweight upon you, but that should be a freedom. I love Extandd Lway, moretinstandard, holy cow AV, Breatho, fresh air, yeah.Absolutely, and I mean I just. I just think that there are so many strategiesright that you can that there are still left out there to uncover. I think it'sjust a beautiful format, so I agree and let's, let's not ignore er the factthat there are some cards, especially a stop colnvill that are just that, needto be removed right, Aiin, likegangomamake, you ses to go, I feel,like other cards like like execute myt need to go. I think perhaps maybe cardslike skyfields jousd leave, but I think that at the end of the day, just hejust a mass card pool and the the age of the format. It leaves a lot of Thocreativity and can leave a lot of room F or players tograrl. An theaccessibility issue is is a real thing that I feel like t BC. I should ha sldapproach and ansolve, but at the same time I think it's, Ithink it's tha superior format, tit's funny you kind of let us into our nexttopic JBAND. I both are fans ospanded, but certainly there are some problemsthat exist in the current expanded format, so wee brought at swit in thepost colinsil world, asking what people think of expanded and what they wouldchange if they could and we got a pretty resounding negativity, tours traand dustmars deck, especially with a variety of solutions being proposed. Ithink the main Wai main ones weare seeing are malotic and Gangar, but I'vealso seen people suggesting a Vantrev. I've seen people banning Skyfield oregg. You kind of alluded to that. You think ging or Mimiqu is the problem. Isthere anything else that you think really speaks to? You is beingfrabmatic in this format or in this deck, and how would you approachadjusting the expanded format to make it something? That's truly enjoyablefor everyone. I think that he, the supporter rule,also helps contribute to the trip to traveor success. I mean when you can'tplay a supporter ca when you can't play bridget to find your Threehzarua onyour first turn. Oresites are than what re you supposed to do. I mean Pablolost to the John I zorogarb and in Dallas, when the turnawent supporterrole still existed. If that, if we took all the decks from from Consville keptthe turn one support a rule, we would see an increases oror play which wouldbe, in my opinion, a big boon to te trevwor success. But I don't think we'dsee nearly as much revn order in Dayto, IB, sork or other setup DEX arly hard we're to we're still to berelevant. You think that stil be true, given the fact that these trapnardacshave now really started implementing stuff like gardor. I think that for those for guys, Kenny,Willisaia and Justin, like all the power to them, I don't not. All thedecks were playing, not all the Trino...

...way in the room, er playing the CARB,so I would give, I would think hey they were creative. They solved the match.Ut preemptively go for it so think that we can still. We can still safely ban stuff like likeMimagar, because at least with the remove of a ter, ansupporter rule because of the fact that I don't get to play supporter card nowon to get to play any card. And now I have one card in my head, so I think TaOite, it's pretty broken too broken and if you're like an okay as a stallplayer, I know that I'm not I'm like pervously, not letting my phone up playthe game, but it specifically hurt for me when I like barely play cards tobegin with, so I play like my mybocadol and like I might play Cla, I don't justget y glad, I'm sorry, I might play like an nes ball or something and thenI get handlocked and then I lose like all cards, but one card in my hand andthen I'm just praying yeah ucle beach for teammates right lose again yeah,it's rough, it's rough out there for sure. I know a lot of people are reallyfrustrated by the TREVNARDECK. Do you think Gangar is the choice over themelotic, though I see a malotic has really gotten a lot of ir in the pastcouple days from the community at large. I think just the melotic there yeah,you know and John. You can speak to this to just the Malotic when it wasdesigned- and I think we always kind of looked to that with the INTENSIVbanning a card in the future. What was it designed to do and Malonic wasn'tnever designed to go on to these thick thick pokemon. It was never designed togo onto a pokmon like treven, an desmore like I was never built to youknow it even has the ex clause in it where I can't ATTACP to Exa. So youknow. Do you think that molotic would be a good ban as well or maybe inaddition to Gan, Gaurmenmecue or one or the other yeah? I think that migh loditcould be a cool ban. The like my lotic Di is a cart the example of a cart thatdid not age. Well, Tue it. If it's not hyphen gx on there, then wewould be n a completely different situation, but for a card that's beenferind seme years ago and just doesn't have that, it's obviously being theadvantage of and the fact that you can manipultat your prizes with within thecombination with ace trainer is specifically degenerate. Yeah as well,I mean some people who argue that, but if you don't ban transmer they'll findother ways to accelerate psechic energy. I mean that's like two maxilixers and Imean, while it's not completely out of the question the forwor treps or Deplay,more than six psychich energy you'll have to like have trevnoer on R on yourbench. I guess it's not the most difficult thing to the do or have, butthey they can't ac it or that givting up a prize precisely for sex of bled,just not having a milotic would porce your ophonent t actually do something,but I ha do play Li to come back. I guess BA or GAM with acthing yeah right. I guess it would probably beBagaton right because you could grab a shirr. That seems awful, not gonnal. Don'tgive them any more ideas: Bu, don't give them anywore yeah, I might havejust accidentally broken the next expaisthat's funny. You know we'll seebutbut. I think I agree that Tredaris a problem. Another proble that you calledout and then iave called out myself- is the accessibility of expanded isgetting worse and orrise by the year. I mean we're getting to the point wheremultiple people in dayto are having to proxy multiple cards in their deck.Just because the copies we have left available are all warped were thinkingparticularly of computer search, so we're calling you out care werl. Ireally put a gas on blast right now. I Guess Sara Problem for sure btevenbesides Acepecks, the accessibility of cards is definitely a problem. Howwould you go about addressing that? Do you think even cars like trapical beach,desserve a point where they need to be reprinted or remastereds, that otherplayers can ectwish them from a purely business standpoint? Itdoesn't make any sense for TPCI to reprint these cards and that's not theanswer that people want to hear and I don't think that's the answer thatplayers want. But if I'm you know the CEO, the Book Wont CompanyInternational Or I'm printing these cards, I don't see why I would want to Pank the value of a four hundredollarcard to to five percent of what it's worth right. Now it tjus doesn't makeany selse to be fair. The FO company doesn't get those four hundreddollars Wel EA. I guess you're right, I guessyou're right biht. At the same time, I think that you want to keep t the allure of thosecards. IMP, I think, Jos, think, would be unfair for those that competed inworld and Tsand twelve and she doesn't ther it's Asome Leids as well to just amea just just to reprint it. I think that it'd be cool to see like an Arada. No,you can't arode a computer search, but I might see like I might see either a rotation of thosethose that block of cars. Race, becks...

...are what's a black and white, two legenarytreasures yeah, but I could see I potential yeah. Icould see a potential rotation for for that block, but I don't think that Iwould like that for personally wel. I just don't think that I just don'tthink that a reprinting whould whatever occur. It might be the solution thatpeople want. I know it is jus flu that people want. I just don't think it'llhappen yeah. I don't know about beach, im tink AII. I could definitely seethem repriting cards, I think actually the opposite. It's good for Poklon,because then they're getting the profits on these cards instead of thesecond handnd prevendors. That being said, though, I don't know epretty like, I don't think they could refrent trapical beach outside of aworld's card. Sure Hat, I think, that's just a hard stop. Now I have brought upthe idea of like print the same card. Have it be different and give it thePercfir secon more rule, and then you still the prestegous chopcal bees? Ifyou want to flux on people, but you give an option to accessible peoplethat still probably half the value or more but isure it keep it well, there'snot I mean thereand. There is precedents for the company to release more beachesinto the players hands. We have seen that in worlds in the past, where therewere side events where players to their hands on tropical beach. That could beanother thing where it's not as overts, but it's kind of a discretve side ofent and extanded regionals. That would be insane yeah. I mean exactly exactlysomething like that. Where you're giving out you know, maybe you're notgiving out a thousand copies, maybe you're not giving out. You know even five hundred copies, but maybeyou're, giving out a hundred more copies to the player base, maybe justslightly reducing that that you know accessibility issue, I Idon't know what the number is to be to be relevant, but you know what Imean where it's a little bit more discreet, maybe it's through a sideevent as opposed to a product that players could buy so yeah. Actually,now that you bring that up, there was a there was a side event at national, twothousand and fifteen yeah, where you could ha e win a numbryon gold star, Yothere s, there's Anotheryeah, you had to plough through, like nine or ten people, just that of one,that's the Pont obut. I think I remember this because I lost M mysecond round by Drun so dead, but law- oh Gosh, what's his name, I think was along buy or something along this ine hewas playing Ohahno wasn't him I mighthave been. I don't knowbut. He ended up on top with the UMBRAN Golt back,that's ALN, I was just so jalous. Ohit was amazing. There was there were otherside fents for like we use and stuff like that. An at I rememberyeahods,like Thi, is one that's FA. I mentioned rotation as well. I thinkrotation is a tough thing to balance, because I think that black ond whitecards aren't really that broken besides a couple of them port like egg, I think,is Onel of the most broken gards ever and is just happens to name black andwhite. I think XY actually is the highest percentage of problematic cards.You know we have stuff like the Piro, we have stuff like Skyfield, we haveshamen, we have yes seeker. We have just battle. compressor. rithat feels like expanded to me rightthat no that's what I say I's like that's what epand it is. I'm justsaying like rotating black white, like doesn't fix expanded. You know, Ik juststill have all the cars hat our problems, you just lose egg and comesirch. You know I like sizmantone right, you would lose thos sizes with tos hisxlie or like yeah. Ai was just a faarthat. You could do something likelike yougiodoes. They have a forbidden, limited and semilimited list thatupdates every few months right. I know that Pokemon doesn't have t the energytepuclarly debinning certain cards, but I think that like, if you just likekept you coul kept keepthings interesting,but putting like a Skyfield at one. You know, imagine imagine a store stormax,just not having access to all force, Kyck field and I think the burn for theone or like having to play. I don't know, I think that' be interesting, Ithink be kind of cool, but yeah I mean what ar you go for sure. I thinkthere's definitely ways it cul. I see like three branching paths to reallyget expanded to work. What Path? One, I think is the best oneand that's to really heavily monitor the format and keep up with bands andlike a very rigorous way, path to is, and that could path. Onecould potentially include like a limited list as well path to is just get rid of it and saywe're done with it, because, basically, it's just an American only format, witha little bit of Japanese events and then like once in t a blue moon oneyear, pperin person will attend a AG antmain tournament and then path. Threeis to rotate it. But I don't really...

...like rotation unless they go past xmy,because otherwise it's basically the same, but then you just have like sunand moon to sword and shield, and that feels goofy like lame Yeahi like expanded. I like thebreadth of expanded, and you know if any TPI employe ever listen to this CAS.Just please don't get rid of expanded. It's so much fun yeah, so they have tomore liberally like keeping ou of the fortman. I think we shouldn't have orhappend twice. I think, that's what I es should be. That's Fdefinitely,that's what happens in Yougo, I mean they keep their cars all the way backfrom legons of Blue Weyes wit. Dragon, like all those cards, are legal, butthey monitor the game and an Conabi has a domp problem like they don't do agreat job of it all the time and immediately putting their players intodebt and stuff like that, but like Jus, imagine if we just had somebody keepingan eye on on how threvin word just cllapped everybody and got everybodyupset that that think. That's where thaying to look at sure, absolutelyyeah. Definitely so I think that covered a lot of the people problems webrought up for expanded. I guess the one other car- and I think, is probablyworth mentioning- is a lot of people of calling out shaming the X as aproblematic card. Do you think that's a hard thats forth, potentially leavingthe format? No, no. I think you need to have the both fenses of spectrum, whether you'restall or your turbout. Shame anye axis a keicomponents of having a turbo likebuilt and if you're going to play peper like bill part of the part of theconsequences of doing so is having a suprise liability on your bench yeah.So I think that is balanced. It has a hundred NHP, so that is compete same iscool Jimis, find to me as long as he's not work, nine worth. Ninety dolars,like it wasn't twothousand and fifteen, then he's cool Ja. was S actually cool to he's just anice guy nice lad right at'scool, so I think we can head over to like the thequestion answers from chat if anyone who's currently in chat has anythingveal free to drop it now. ASU evw. If you see anything, if you scrol up andsee anything that you want to particularly call out to start us off,yeah, absolutely well, someone as- and it was answered here in the chat, butyou only had three chopical beach in your in your top for list fromCollinsville. Can you shed any light on that yeah testing? What's Hel? Okay?I'll, be completely honest, I don't have access to four beach on Ttcgo andall the toushhings that I did with three and like a silent lap for Dallas.It just felt right. So when I translated my testing experience fromDallas to consvill playing with three beachs just felt fine. There were timeswhere in I was where I fel like a fourth beach year, would feel like toomuch. If I, when I kept the power plan in initially, it would have just feltlike unnecessary, and so not only did I saveseveral hundred dollars in the process felike. I have the optimal count oftrapical beach in my beckr sure and he account of dollars in your pocket,ohabsolutely yeah. So what would have been a maybe sixtyfirst card? Would it have been the fourth beach or would it have beensomething else, man, the m sure that you went over justyou probably, you know throughout so many ideas. For this I mean, I know ofyou- know our limited testing before Richmond. I think, and just there's somany things that you could fit into the stick so so walk us through sixty firsixty second card. There was a time where I was playing mew face clide inthe deck as a way to simply have access to get lost on thebench, Rodo a Rhodo Tiller and it was a free retreat. Bookem on as well and mewas pretty cool until I was at the gym and Message: Brady Botter, mid MIDRAPand I was like Munch liks right like do you think that much Lek would be betterthan you because its axearch, that's fe, retreatal anyways, an like it could beDus, inherently better than you, and so we checked it in and we loved it. Sothat was that was another card that I was considering. That eventually didn'tmake the cut because of munch like superiority. Another one was instead ofplaying two on pyror. I was thinking about playing one one: pyror one did aprison star and then make him pay Persian. Make a Pan Make Tom FAC version. Canjust you get that off one against a guy. That's just been stocppalling his hand,Ye for a few turns and then he's got nothing Yep. So I think that was butthat envintually hiptic shopping buck because we're like what, if we justroled the dake with durant and just I was going to say right right and youhope you hit enough resources that it can work because obviously, durant is,is a little bit more of a budget Persian where O it's random, it's downto fort cards, but it's random, whereas Persian as you get to select- and youknow person can.

Obviously you know is a better car, buthe the cost of getting into play is a little bit tougher there. So I feellike in the end yeah probably Dura just fulfilled all your needs in and gaveyou one more card slap to work with Yep, exactly co, anything that anything that you want tosay about the standard forma. How are you feeling? Are you playing planningto play any more pokemon here in the in the upcoming month or so Ohman, like mymy next event, guaranteed big one, I should say, is probably going to beforway and that's not until May Yeaho like right now, I'm just trying to getmy life together were just Gino. I'm look Ang at th Interforman, I'mthinking Abpz seems like the best. A are 'n large, I'm hoping that the whatever happens in Malmo or in Torontoshakes things up a little bit, because I'm looking at this format and I'm justthinking Thi looks like boring stuff. U Ifyo thougt she di o the Jon, a saydeck. It's like like just the mlike. If you,you can excell er energy, Wat Nassin, which is cool but having to hardattatch to energy, to TP and just praying that it doesn't get disruptedor like one thing I was kind of bring somming in my head was like what, if Iplayed like waiht and see Hammer Wen like pigarom and like some a call day indermahoe, maybe someorderpat. I think that be kind of siceby kind of cool kind of fun, but Imean at the same time, if you don't find the waight and see hammer you justget bodied, and then you just wasted. You know whatever the cost ofregistration was, and you have to go home so we're just trying to be fysticallyresponsible for the next few months until Fort Wayn rolls around and hope.I think that's when rebel crre clash es come out correct. I think itwas, thefirst Roundo Rihyeah all right. So I'm looking forward to when that comes out,because there seems to be some pretty interesting cards in there that rightto explore and thet'll be a new format. So I think they'll be a time when fourMae, as on the chaos, exactly to get the? U Startinto, come up somethingcool for that tournmet, very cool Jesse. Askn me an chat. Do you think well seesimilar results in Charlotte, with trevnor being the most o day to or tothink people ill figure it out, and it seems less success, obviously assumingthey don't do any sort of emergency banning right, I mean at this point, looks liketpceithere. You've got the whole coronavirus thing going on, so theywere concerned about canceling, the UIC and Dreami othat is hey. You gotta, youGoto what you gotta do, but I tinfor safety foragain, Oh yea. Of course e.We want to make sure that we're alive for any IC and for worlds, hopefully,but dude hundred thousand cases globally,yeah astrack a hundred Kaye. It's crazy th! It's why? But in term back on topic,I think that we can expect a lot of people just going brain dead copyingthe same sixty going in with Trevenor, but those that have the time to bouncefrom Toronto to Charlotte to maybe fix up their turbodark list. Idon't think that that matchup is good for Toverdart, even unless they have an amazing first turn.But I don't know who knows I'd, be I'm writing an article hit'll be publishedin a few days. I wouldn't mind going back with a civilunre, sixty sall sixtyfor that tournament. I will not be attending, but seying is there won't be any bandswhere there's likely not going to be any band ID predict this SOM Wi Meta?Is there anything that you could do install to help improve it versustrevnor? I think that you have to go. Second,that's first and foremost, you have to go second yeah you can attend, youcan't maybe a fourth beach would be good.Maybe you just spend the money and do it I an you have to have you have to giveyourself enough. OPPORTUNTOUG turns to draw out of it. I think Adler did areally good job with his wellstal deck, my being really heads up and payingRegi giggast a hundred hp means that Trevnoreis not going through in won'thit so'll give you anupter turn to open brake. So that's that's, unfortunately,route you have to take when Youre Gointo that deck and I think therEducatos is sets up. So I would probably teck in one of those and swapthat up for the birds, the birds were they were. They wereokay, but I think they would have been better with if I had the regigugisinstead and I think that you can play, I think you can play anothercountercatcher, perhaps for maybe even going Tho four subroute might be atmight be worth, but I don't know I don't know, I'm not gonna be tessingfor that format. I'll keep an eye on it for sure, but I'm Goin to be Challengfor a little bit for sure for sure yeah cool. I think think we've about covered everythingthat I had. You know that you have any other questions you want to ask JohnWell John. I just want to say...

...you know: It's been great Havin, you do.You have any shoutouts that you'd like to Ou' like to give here on the cast: HeyYeah. First and four, my shouts you guys for hosting this Pirsmas Pot. Ithink you guys do a great job every week. I look forward to listening toyou guys every week, so keep up the great content shout up to Brady and Brian Hunter forbeing my testing partners for the Collenge, I regional, without theirhealth and their their big brains. That would not have been able to tankEbectod the success that it did and I think it's about it, Isa about toColton Day for just being a pleasure and just being a homi that Waser sureyeah, oh lovely, individual yeah, you had a really really good set up, phonus,I'm sure Oh yeah, it was a blessing. Anotherreason I played the Book Wont Trading, Ard Game. If you get, if you hit the,if you, if you had the string of opponent that I had during my weekend,you'd come back every weekend to play. Defiitel definitely cool. Well! Thank you. Somuch as well for joining us John, we really appreciate yes and great insightand for those of you who want to check out John Son more, he isn't big onsocial media, but he does write for team rockets hide out, so you can buyhis articles individually. Even if you, even if you hate every other writer onthat site, you could just by John's so he's got soe great stuff for you outthere and with that will be AC. Coming to a close, we appreciate all you guysfor listening, be sure to rate review on itunes or whatever podcastingplatform. You listen on and we'll catch you next time. Peese.

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