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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 2, Episode 5 · 1 year ago

2-4. Mostowy's Monstrous Meta Call

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

All Right, what is that?Everybody? Welcome back to tag team, the POKEMON trading card games premier podcastingdo. My name is Riley Hulbert, joined by my good friend JW Creewall, and this week we have a special guest with us. John was Stowe, a local player from Ohio who just came off a fantastic finish in Collinsville. Everybody, how we doing today? Doing Great, John. How areyou? I'm being pretty good man. I feel they're good. Thanks forhaving me on. Yeah, of course, this is really an exciting time.We are trying to just invite guests that we know have, you know, either been in the game a long time done something special, and youcertainly have fit the bill. So we're very happy to have you here andhappy to get it into the interview. I appreciate it. Sounds good.Yeah, so, for those of you who are unaware, this past weekendin Collinsville, Illinois, there was an expanded regional championship. We kind ofcovered it a little bit this last week, talking about the fear we had ofstall decks and all sorts of crazy archetypes that might appear and expanded andlow of behold John kind of fulfilled the prophecy and took his piora attacking Hoopa, kind of a little bit of everything, stall deck all the way to topfror finish, bringing home the glass. So before we get deep in thetournament, though, I just want to know like a little bit moreabout you, John. So you know, how long have you playing Pokemon?Who are you within the game? What's your favorite Pokemon? Maybe?What are the things that we can use to get to know you? Sure, I guess. First and foremost, I ranged from CINCINNATIAI or hometowns,and since I'm moved to Sandusky, so I play and the northern Ohio region, where it's pretty competitive, you know, full grips, just an hour anda half away. There's a lot going on here and I've been playing. My first tournament was in two thousand and six. So I've always beenI've always had my foot in the water competitive play, whether it was apre release, a random national that I decided to go to, a twothousand and eight, I was always I was always interested in the game.Yeah, it's a look, I ated this here and there. You Ohyeah, Oh yeah. But after I graduated from college I decided that,Hey, I've got a little bit of an expendable income. Now I canstart getting serious about the game and last year I decided to make my firstcompetitive seasince. grinded out getting two worlds and start playing competitively. Yeah,absolutely, and you're on a pretty good tear this season, John. Youhave three top sixteen placements. Obviously the most recent was a top for kindof walk us through maybe this year and what has changed from either last yearto this year, or what has changed either from the last two years towhen you first started getting into the game at in two thousand and six.Right, so in two thousand and six I'm a senior. Dad Still Driveme around a tournaments. I'm getting excited when I pull a random ex card. I'm still getting excited about the holographics that I pulled and you're starting tothink about how to put them into your deck. Oh Yeah, Oh,I wasn't even sleeping my stuff back then, are you? Sei? The Dave'schange significantly last year. Last year is definitely if there was a badyear to pick to start the crime, it was last year. Five hundredfifty CP, like, what's that was wild. But yeah, I tendedto make cups as I could, as many challenges as I could and afew regionals here and there and was able to land it. But this yearI started taking more conservative approach. I wasn't sure if I thought the grindwas going to be worth it. But at worlds when they announced that itwas going to be in London, I got really high sus. That okay. All my friends that I told I was going to quit, they werelike generally because I didn't could of course, and I started to put more timeinto preparation and to looking at the metaphorecasts and to taking the best thebest deck for the field. And I've only attended these three regionals, threecups, and I think like nine challenges and I earned points at seven ofthe nine challenges. Points it to the three cups and pretty successfully in thesethree regionals and spending more time methodically wondering and asking questions about what people areexpecting, what people are going to bring, then acting upon those, I thinkI've been able to get more banks from my box, so to speak. Sure, during the season, sure, that's cool. That's cool. So, John, what is your favorite pokemon and what is your favorite PokemonCard? Will start there. Sure, sure, fair. POKEMON has alwaysbeen s beyond. I know it's kind of Cliche with the evy lutions thing, but just for always really like that pokemon favorite card. That's tough.I like. I think, yeahs be on the x from unseen forces.It's really cool. They go with a yeah, this is a gorgeous car, just from the foil to all the cards, all the x carts fromthat era. We're just sort of yeah, there's Oh man, but that specificone is just like very captivating and it's like a front. I SBeon binder. So that's awesome and that's that's also the name of your ptcgOh accounts. Please don't that doesn't need...

...to be. If anyone's watched mystory, they'll know that John has quit more than once in a scream game. So yeah, I'm sorry, you're getting called out, Bro you're gettingcalled out. It's funny. This is it is a no Leek's account.They know if he's a Kempis sure. No lakes culture is real and that'sfunny. Yeah, that's beyond is a classic for sure. I know asbeon carried me through Pokemon call cm back in the day. That's what itgrow right, go back. Yeah, yeah, I haven't thought about thatin a long time. Yeah, well, I'm beyond just didn't do a lotof damage. That's Beion was complete opposite the ton. He's a beefyboy. Yeah, I'm ron his very beefy. He he had some waysdid more day ors and ask me on because you would survive more than onehit. So yeah, sure, sure, that's definitely something to consider. So, John, you talk about your you're getting more bang for your buckin terms of going to maybe more of the bigger events and then putting yourall into those. What's kind of your favorite part of game in general orgoing to a regional's? The preparation is is easily the it's still stressful.It's also the most fun because that's when you can see the gears turn.You know, you get a couple guys to focus on one idea and youknow, maybe you're you're going grocery shopping, you're pushing the cart and you're thinkingabout your deck and you're like picking up an apple and you're like,wait a second, what if we cut this card and ated a different card? Or you're at the gym, your mid Curl and you're like wait asecond, what if we cut these two cars and had these two cards andset? This happened to me a couple of times throughout my preparation for Knocksville, my preparation for after Collinsville, and I would just either I'd randomly messagethat one of my testing partners to be like look, what if, andthen we test the idea when I when I got home, and it wouldwork out, and that's that's when the validation came as when it's a reallygood to be playing the game. Sure. Sure, now I have this kindof obsession sometimes and certain formats and with certain decks, of finding theperfect sixty cards. Is that ever something that you adhere to as well?Oh, of course, of course you always want to have what you feelto be the best sixty because, I mean, if you're taking a testand you get ninety eight, I don't know by you guys, but mypersonal my first impression is where those two points? Where do those go wrong? Yeah, where do I go wrong? So if I'm playing at a tournamentand I'm like realizing that one card is dead, I'm just like,well, I might even playing this card. Where did I go wrong? Inmy preparation. So I always look for that perfect sixty as well.Cool, cool, so you, yeah, speaking of perfect sixty. You know, you obviously brought a very, very strong, solid deck to Collinsvilleand I think we'll transition over there now. Taka, to us a little bitabout the Collinsville Tournament. Just give us like a general overview kind ofgoing into the tournament. What were you expecting and what were the text inyour deck that you played to counter the things that you expected to do?Well, okay, yeah, the the top three decks that I had inmind going into the tournament was ultimate Rosma Zashi in V and probably Turbo Dick. I think, within the main three, so Zasking v fantastic for so manyreasons. The Ability Doing Two hundred twenty Amis for three energy with metalsaucer, I mean unheard of, and with the interprets or ability just cards, complete guess cards, insane for Soho the I check the stud of widowwith watch and learn as a way to combat that. I don't want myselfto be a complete, solid deck. I think that it needs to haveinherit out to different book, one that you can expect. So he gotin the heat. He's went in there alternate ACROSMA, obviously being hyped upby you guys other content creators. So I've Smet the dolls deck into thedeck to give myself some more time to Faba that double dragon energy away.Sure, and thankfully hit some of those. Those are types. I didn't hitany. Tur About Dark Right? Yeah, Charter seem the kind ofthe low the colinsile to be on. Yeah, yeah, I think BenCrier was the one that took it the furthest but didn't correct top eight either. So this could be this could require a renaissance for the turbo dark archetypeas a whole moving into Charlotte. Don't know what that'll look like just yet, but yeah, it's it was interesting because at least so for sure.So overall it seems like your expectations kind of aligned with reality. A lotof those decks did did end up populating many of the tables the tournament,not always towards the top, because I think a lot of people had theireyes on those decks, but I'm sure you hit more than one of thoseof those matchups. Now, obviously,...

...though an expanded tournament, it's reallyhard to narrow down to just a couple matchups. So what did you doto keep your deck in sync with like the metagame as a whole, giventhat it's so vast? Yeah, so what I think my deck does well? It's because it's it doesn't commit all the slots, that being a stalldeck. I know that they were dollstall players that playing. Are playing thefour doll and then the four robos up. I don't play the robot stubs becauseI don't want to get item lot to oblivion. I don't want tocommit those fourth or text to a match up in which they won't be helpful. Instead, put the Sudo Wudo in. I found those extra three slots tobe for Pyroor and those single handed me still handily won me the docin p matchups and there was like an ATP Zassian deck that I played againstin pyro or swept. It was fantastic. So I think that having you knowyou can you can get away with the one of the two of theexpanded format because of the your ability to picked up those singular cards in yourdeck and just having enough of those, despite how they mate might seem likeinconsistent. Inconsistencies that surface value can get you all the way? Sure.Absolutely. I'm looking here at the POKMON in your list. You had pyreroar, you had hoop, you had draft rick, Mimic, you withimpersonation Sudo woudo watch and learn the durrant, with chip off, buntlebe munch,lacks lugia. Is Your head spinning? I mean you just had a tonof Pokmon here. Was it ever? was there ever a matchup that youhad to like maneuver between a bunch of your text that made it particularlydifficult? Yeah, so, in specific matchup was actually the atps Asian matchupthat I alluded to earlier. He that player was also playing neuvern gx andBrady. We were on the same sixty. He had played that it played himin day one and lost. So we talked after the match and hewas like, do I think this is not all loss? You got tobalance between Walling, the the GX pokemon and the Zascian and then the theNoi frien could come out of nowhere and the ruin your day. Sure,and I needed to beat this player and then my round fourteen opponents to makeit a tough a. that's where it wasn't day too, and so whatI went hit. When I hit him, my heart kind of sunk because Iwas like, how am I going to a new be between these twomy pokemon? What I did was I tried to figure out how many noiverhe was playing, and when I found out that he was only playing one, the only thing I had in my mind was I got to get ridof the Nigrand, either by milling it, discarding it from his hand, orby killing it. So whether it was targeting the noy that before couldhave balls, using chip off and praying or Browing, I just prioritize eitherfolk when I was perfect for that situation during the round. Then I eventuallywon because of that. Sure, sure, did it go to three games?It did go three games. Yeah, I lest game one, but thengot lucky off the chip up and game two and he had to heatjust started that game three. So cruise. Yeah, wow, cool, cool, very good. So, Collinsville, you know you you had these kindof decks in your mind that you were expecting. What was maybe themost out there deck that you just like had real no, no real gameplan for or that kind of caught you by surprise. Oh yeah, Coltonin top for his hey growe or egg land's best deck, whatever that was, because I was like, Oh, I didn't know what was going on. That's the cars. It was holy cow. Yeah, if I wentback in time and replayed that game with the technoledge that I had in gametwo, then I feel like it would have been fine. But game oneit was just like what are you doing? But get in that deck. Yeah, sure, so, going into going in a day two. Whatwere some of your I don't know, just the matchups that you really enjoyedor likes, particular games that you can remember that you just want to,I don't reminisce about or have have in auto audio lore, you know,forever recorded orally for the masses to hear in the future. All right,immediately, I can just DIS avout round ten, eleven and twelve that wereagainst Trevoure. We're not, no way. They were miserable. Oh Yeah,yeah, that was just tread after tread or travel, he say.I was like you got to be getting me. What Tim doing to mehere? Yeah, but my top date match against Andrew Mahone. That's morelike dmax matchup. What a ride, what a ride that was. It'scrazy. Yeah, talk to us a little bit about it. Yeah,I was thrilled that three high winds made into top. The Me's that Cooperand Andrew. So we're like, Oh, this is great, Ohi I hada fantastic showing, etc. But when I saw that I was playingagainst Andrew, I was like a man. It would have been cool if wegot to beat and top for the...

...finals, but there was the matchupis generally, in my opinion, favored for for my deck, because youhave enough dolls you can lost the lost the triple acceleration and move on aboutyour day, no problems. But I had learned that he was playing targetwhistle and dowsing machine and two special charts. So Andrew was packing. He wasready to go again saw I was like, okay, this is andthen this is a matchup where for subs would be. would be helpful,right, but I was obviously stands for subs. In game one I wasn'treally doing much of anything for like four or five turns. I'd like twoteammates in my hand, I'd like a Giraffrican my active spot and a dollin my on my bench, and that was it. He eventually stingred meand continue to end me into nothing and the game was over. So thatfelt bad. But game two I was able to set up, get myget my dolls out and, despite he stingering me, I was able toget a really nasty chip up on his hand. There was yeah, itwas. It was a stockpiling for a big play and there was just amoment my heart was like, I feel it. I got a chip offright now. So I didn't. You boy into the durant an ounce chipoff and discarded surree triple acceleration or t oh, that's no, I meanI felt like an absolute baller. I was like this is the aunt wasaunt saved my life, like the ant man was. It was. Hewas fantastic and at that point he had for triple acceleration in his discard pilebecause he had he went to kill something else and after he I think hehad like an access to a target whistle and like one more special charge.I was able to calculate that if I could just get rid of get ridof any of the pokemon of my discard, or as long as he is alwaysI had enough dolls out, he couldn't win the game Gotcho I wasable to take that one from him, but games three was that was anotherride. I felt bad because Andrew was drawing incredibly dead for the first fewturns. I got all four dollars up and time was called, at whichpoint he's the only one that can take a knockout to win the game,because you're both at six prizes. Right. And before time was called, however, he was forced to bench in execute in order to draw cards,to get some steam. Of A shame. We do our plus three turns andhe's got like seven Pokemon. Has Bench with Altaria. So now Ican't take a knockout if I want to watch and learn something. If hetries to attack a doll sure, and I'm I you, Steven's resolved,just because I got to find something. I gotta do something and summon throughmy day. Then let Leo. I see. Literally, I'm like,okay, in a second, you realize an execute pretty each be that.Lely. I witness set, I guessaid with El Color of energy. Ipicked up a color of synergy. I'm praying to God that I have goosemy my deck. Whose was in my deck? I keep my cool.I put the three cards in my hand and then I pray. Do Andrew, do not end me or I will unsubscribe from me Youtube Channel. NotEnd me once he plays Winona. Once he plays Winona. Yeah, Ipray a little harder. Do not have field blower and blow right your eggoff the bench, right. You not blow away, and he does notdo that either. I drop my card for the turn. I played Letleodown and loose them up to execute. I touched uple color of synergy andI'm in top for that. So you didn't know the let Leo could dothat even until the moment it happened. Well, I'm never attacking, sohe can retreat for free. He's in the deck. We can retreat forfree and and I think it's I think it's better that I played it offkind of oblivious to the the Litleo deck because maybe, whether because because bodylanguage is such a heat component to card games, from poker that I thinkto this maybe I was able to let on the fact that I was clueless, that I was hopeless, and maybe I don't know if Andrew was ableto engage that from me or not. I don't know. Did when youmade that play, when you made that play. I mean Andrews. Youknow, Andrews are good. He's a good sport about the share, youknow. So when you made that play, did he like? You know,what's he like? Oh Man, I had the feel blower in myhand, like do you have made a counterplay than the one that he did? I think you just said he should have ended. He said he shouldhave been AH, and that was it. Okay, so he just he justdidn't know that you could, that you had the capability to take aknockout, and so he just didn't end. Yeah, okay, I mean,Hey, that's that's great. I mean, what were you making whenyou when you did it? I mean, what were you feeling when you tookthat knockout and a way that your deck just doesn't win? You wonwith just what was that feeling of going to top for and like having youfurther in your chances of winning the tournament? Yeah, I mean it reminded meof why I play the game. I'm a competitor of my heart andbeing able to dig deep and discover a way to win despite the odds beingagainst me. I mean it's why you plays book on Tragorka and it feelsreally good and coming out on top despite...

...the circumstances. I mean when workingyou ask, yeah, that's awesome, you just beat answered Mahone. You'removing on to top for and it's Colton days executive deck. Before you getinto how that kind of series went. What were you thinking for that Mashup? What was your game plan? How are you going to approach that?Be Honest, I was that I knew that there was like there's like someblockading involved. There was like energy removal also. Yeah, the right goingI did. There was a lot going out and there was there's so much. I was honestly thinking it'd be more of a streamlined egg row deck andthought that I could just run him over with pyroor. Figured out midgame thatthis was not the route and had to life Redo so many things, andso I had to definitely back put all off that. But I thought maybeif I could keep hi or in my active spot, Munch likes on thebench, you know, recycle fire energy and just scorching thanks to the forthe entirety of the seventy five minutes. I'd walk away a thousand dollars morerich. But that that was that. As believed that be the gate.Was not the case, because you removed a lot of energy. Sure,yeah, it did. Said I cannot use supporters. Yeah Right. Talkabout a little bit more about the nuance of that game. Game One,I was I was watching from the sidelines. It looked like the lock was prettyheavy hitting game one, but you said that you had new knowledge ingame two and you ended up winning game two, I think, pretty aggressively, right, with some aggressive burrows from like turn to so yeah, overall, looking back, let's hit on how the match actually went. But ifyou could do it over, what were things that you would do differently?The first thing I would have done differently? Well, let me just throw asclimmer right there. You cannot, when you have mim Q in Theact of spot, using impersonation. You cannot use Gladians Lady, and gostraight to the discard pile. You can not search your price cards and picka prize card from your from their correct the supporters died, yes, andhe computed of my prize cards was Buntleby in a double colorless energy in gameone, and so not having access to those, what's a big blow tomy chances. The only reason I didn't scoop. I'll just throw this outthere as well. was because he had like a few cards left in deckand in my brain I was like, I don't want to lose this chanceto milk exactly. I don't want to lose this. I don't want toburn these forty minutes of game time. If you get so just so fewcars left in deck. If I don't see I didn't see his Payton Lizafor a little bit. I didn't know if he played Bell Alba or not. So my brain is like, if I can keep manually retreating, shovelthem back or put them, keep putting them on top of my deck,list neck search, I might have a chance. But he played be all, but he played at Liza. That's out. Went Right, I wouldthe game. I adjusted my game plan for game two by using supporters withimpersonation, just consistently switching between the draft rig, the Buntlebe and the durant'slike control this hand. midiled his deck and was able to play my owncards with mimic you. All the while he was doing ten damage, right, and that's what that was. I would have done differently in game one. What was up? So overall, do you think your deck has afair shot against the matchup? Do you think it's even favored if you govery aggressive with milling? Like it seems like kind of a blowout in gametwo. That game was over very fast. Yeah, yeah, I think thatit's I think that it's slightly pay roll. That's not favorable. Soand that's just just it's part of the fun of expanded though, because youcan build these wonky decks, these unique decks that no one's ever tested against. Right, right, and I think exactly, and I think that's partof the reason why stall decks might might work, is with deck knowledge andhaving an idea of what your point is playing, you can move aneuver aroundthere. Out, he prepared for their out. I was never prepared forthis guy's outs or this guy's act so I had no round game one.But sure, and that is what is sure. Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely. Well, the congratulations on a fantastic run. Top for isnothing to scoff at, although I'm sure you wanted to see that trevor thefinals. I'm sure will have plenty about to say about trevor later, butGw I believe he has some questions for nope point as well. Oh yes, John, we had just a break up a little bit of this interview. I want to ask you a couple of rapid fire questions. Okay,are you ready? So it's going to be this or that, either orokay, I'm ready to go. All right, ready. Cat or dog, dog, Pepsi or coke? Coke, apple or android apple. All right, winter or summer, summer? Phone call or text. Don't callmullets or mutton chops. Neither nuggies or ten dyes. Oh boy, nuggies, Pokemon, red or Pokemon blue,...

...bloop officer Jenny or nurse Joy OfficerJenny? Onezo Pokemon or one billion lions? Oh, one thousand POKEMON. WHOA? All right, maybe a controversial take, but one thousand POKEMON.All right, interesting, interesting, all right. So now that another we'rein your head even more, and you were just alluding to this and talkingabout this right before. How do you build and succeed with these rogue decks? Like, what is it that draws you to rogue? What is itthat draws you specifically in these last, you know, your last few finishes, to stall? What is it about, kind of going off of the beatenpath that really draws you in the so I'll take Lucar on the metal, for example. I think that was probably my most creative build in thisat least in this format or in this this season. The idea of playingsomething that people don't don't expect is an inherent advantage already. If you bringsomething that people don't don't know about, our own familiar with the quote fearof the unknown is enough to either get into a player's head, is toit's enough to frustrate them sometimes, is enough to sometimes make them, makingthis make a sub optimal play because they aren't sure what you have going on, and I think that's really cool. I think that's part of the reasonwhy Pokemon is so fun. It's because somebody can come out of come outof nowhere with a weird card. I think that the obstacleon deck that tookOCS by storm is a great example, despite it being, quote, ameme or something that players disrespected. I forgot his name, but he tookit upon himself to to prove people wrong and to like the body so manypeople and like claps to him brings good. Well, you're in console, exactlyright right, and Tim Bartle's Tim. Yep, jealous to Tim. Soit's a time for his performance there and I think the allure of Idon't really care for the whole social component of being hailed as this rogue guyor whatever, but it's a little cool when people are like Yo, what'swhat's John Plenner or, better yet, what's Frank Persi playing? What's thisRoxy chump saying? What is this you cramerant deck that he's dealt? AndI've personally love seeing that guy's that guy's work, because frank's just a mastermindand and how he persons deck building also, and and you'll still looking at hislist on limitless death, you'd that's so much going on and that's justthat's really cool. Right, that's do it. He's got everything in there. Yes, that's the signature of a frank deck. I feel like it'sthat's everything. Sure, yeah, yeah, I mean and sometimes it sometimes itworks well, sometimes it flops, but I mean when it's got frankversus signature on there, it's at least worth the gander, and that's whatkind of draws me to play in those rogue or up the wall decks.Okay, okay. So would you say that you enjoy just having like theI would you say you enjoy the prestige that comes with it at all?I would you enjoy that? The goal of the game, eventually, theultimately is to win, is to win, but if you can do so witha little bit of Swag, you know, with a little bit ofa a little bit of spice, will flare. I mean right or Ithink that's in putting your own little stamp on on the deck that you createdor something like that. Why not? Why not? When I look atthe Dallas results and I see rocky Chomp, I'm I will forever think that wasfrank's deck and I think for frank that's that's something you should be proudof and that's something that he can he can carry as a player for foras many years as he wants to compete with and so I think that's that'spretty cool for sure. I think your fewer full clopchaser, you'd be reallycashing in on social media likes, which I don't think you're at all.I'm cool. I'm cool. So not full clop chase. How do youknow when to approach like a rogue strategy right. So you come up withall sorts of a little bit off the wall strategies. You know your spandarddeck a little less so than Lukarim metal, but I still I still think itwas a little non traditional. What to you speaks to a deck beingthat's the thing you want to test with and work on, because what Ifind is rogue decks will take a lot more work than established archetype to reallyget to their potential. So how do you know when you want to divedown that rabbit hole? Thankfully and expanded, it's pretty easy because the card poolis so big and there are a lot of UN there're a lot it'sa relatively unexplored format and when new sets come out it just opens the gates. And most pretend going to Toronto this...

...next week, in which I'm not, I probably wouldn't play something cuter rogue simply because there's I don't have alot of experience with the format right now to I have like barely a weekto prepare and just the established arch types, I don't think they have they don'thave a whole lot of weaknesses that cars that I see in the cardpool can capitalize on. When when the format seems to be played out likeit was in Knoxville with with mewtwo Pek Aram abailities are that's when my brainI'm like, okay, because these are the three or four established decks,let me go back in a PTCG out, click on show not owned and startlooking for stuff and having the experience from the leak cup that I hadthe week Brior when I play at the Mel Metal Deck and top for okay, let me let me take this idea, polished up a little bit, throwsome other stuff in there and ship it. That's kind of when Ithink that it's a good time to go for it. Yeah, so it'sit almost seems like your philosophy is a little bit different. And Standard andstandard, whereas expanded such a wide pool, you can kind of dive in early, whereas standard has a limited pool. So you need a very narrow perspectiveon the Meta and then you can hone in on that perspective. Thatsound right, right? Yeah, yeah, and expanded when you can. Youcan go early because there's it's an unexplored metal and standard sometimes it's betterto go a little later when the best decks are fleshed out and people's perceptionsof the Meta can very easily be the flipped because you've got the got theace in the whole, so to speak. Well, and I don't know ifyou feel this way, John, but for for me, I've beenplaying for a long time and I've been playing before they even had an expandedformat, and so of you, and so I wonder if you feel thesame way that I do, where I almost feel that that expanded is thethe thinking man's format, where you just have so many cards available to youthat that's not that shouldn't be a weight upon you, but that should bea freedom. I love expanded I love more than standard. Holy Cap,breath of fresh air. Yeah, absolutely, and I mean I just I justthink that there are so many strategies right that you can that that thereare still left out there to uncover. I think it's just a beautiful format. So I agree. And let's not ignore the fact that there are somecards, especially based off the columns fill, that are just that need to beremoved right ill, like image, like a gang or may make you, needs to go. I feel like other cards like like execute, mightneed to go. I think perhaps maybe cards like sky field should leave,but I think that at the end of the day, just the just amask card pool and the the age of the format, it leaves a lotup to creativity and can leave a lot of room for players to grow inthe accessibility issue is is a real thing that I feel like the BBC,I should have, should approach and solve, but at the same time I thinkit's a I think it's the superior format. That's funny. You kindof let us into our next topic. Jb and I both are fans ofexpanded but certainly there are some problems that exist in the current expanded format.So we've run a suite in the Post Collinsville world asking what people think ofexpanded and what they would change if they could, and we got a prettyresounding negativity towards tredy and dust ours deck, especially with the variety of solutions beingproposed. I think the main weight main ones we're seeing our melodic andgang are but I've also seen people suggesting a van Shrev. I've seen peoplebanning sky field or egg. You kind of alluded to that. You thinkgang are mimic you. Is the problem. Is there anything else that you thinkreally speaks to you as being problematic in this format or in this deck, and how would you approach adjusting the expanded format to make it something that'struly enjoyable for everyone? I think that the the supporter rule also helped contributeto the trip to trip or success. I mean when you can't play asupporter car, when you can't play bridget to find your three Zerrua on yourfirst turn, then, yeah, what are you supposed to do? Imean Pablo Lass to the Johnnings Zero Garb in Dallas when the turn one supporterrule still existed. If that, if we took all the decks from fromCollinsville kept the turn one support a rule, we would see an increase in zoarplay, which would be, in my opinion, a big boon tothe trevor and success. But I don't think we'd see nearly as much trevnorder in day to ifs arc or other setup decks parely so we're too.We're still to be relevant. I think that it'll be true, given thefact that these trevnar decks have now really started implementing stuff like ardor. Ithink that for those four guys, Kenny Will Isaiah and Justin like all thepower to them, I don't not all...

...the decks were playing. Not allthe Trevor Order in the room were playing the CARB. So I would giveI would think, hey, they are creative, they solved the matchup preemptively. Go for it. So I think that we can still we can stillsafely band stuff like like Mimagar because, or at least with the removal ofthe turn one support a rule, because of the fact that I don't getto play supporter card. Now don't get people any cards and now I haveone card in my head. So I think that in of itself is prettybroken too, broken and if you're like okay, as a stall player,I know that I'm not. I'm like purposely not letting my pone of playthe game. But it's specifically hurt for what I'd like barely play cards tobegin with. So I play like my book adult and like I might playglad. I don't think it's like Glady, and I'm sorry, I might playlike a ness father or something, and then I get handlocked and thenI lose like all cards but one card in my hand and then I'm justpraying. Yeah, well, beach or teammates right, lose a game?Yeah, right, it's rough. It's rough out there for sure. Iknow it's a lot of people are really frustated by the trevor are deck.Do you think gangars the choice over the melodic, though I see a melodichas really gotten a lot of ire in the past couple days from the communityat large. I think just the melodic there. Yeah, I you know, and John You can speak to this, to just the melodic when it wasdesigned, and I think we always kind of look to that with theintent of banning a card in the future. What was it designed to do?A melodic wasn't never designed to go onto these thick, thick pokemon.It was never designed to go on to a pokemon like Trevin and dust.More like, it was never built to you know, it even has theex clause in it where can't attach to X. So, you know,do you think that melodic would be a good band as well, or maybein addition to Gangar, mimicure or one or the other? Yeah, Ithink that my lootic would be a cool band. The like my lootic isa card example of a cart that did not age well sure you know,if it, if it's stuck gx on there, then we would be ina completely different situation. But for a card that's been for some years agoand just doesn't have that, it's obviously being the advantage of and the factthat you can manipulate your prizes with the within the combination with a strainer andspecifically degenerate. Yeah as well. I mean some people argue that, butif you don't Dan tres more, they'll find other ways to accelerate psychic energy. I mean that's like to Maxi lictors, and I mean while it's not completelyout of the question, you'll, for strevs MOERE DEX play more thansix psychic energy. You'll have to like have tread more on your on yourbench. I guess it's not the most difficult thing to do or have,but they they can't at without getting up a prize. Precisely, precisely,but just not having the mylotic would force your opponents actually do something, butthey had to play like the code back, I guess, bagger again with theACLUS thing. Yeah, right, I guess it would be a magnatonright, because you could grab a strainer. That seems awful. Not gonna lie. Don't get them any more ideas, don't get them anywhere. Yeah,I might have just accidentally broken the next expanded. That's funny. Well, you know, we'll see, but I think I agree that, trevor, is a problem. Another problem that you called out and I've called outmyself, is the accessibility of expanded is getting worse and worse by the year. I mean we're getting to the point where multiple people in day two arehaving a proxy multiple cards in their deck just because the copies we have leftavailable are all warped. We're thinking particularly of computer search. So we're callingyou out quarters, where I've put it cast blast right now, because aproblem for sure. But even besides aspects, the accessibility of cards is definitely aproblem. How would you go about addressing that? Do you think evencars lea tropical beach deserve a point where they need to be reprinted or remasteredsthat other players can access them? From a purely business standpoint, it doesn'tmake any sense for TPCI to reprint these cards and that's not the answer thatpeople want to hear and I don't think that's the answer the players want.But if I'm you know the CEO of the Bookmon Company International, or I'mprinting these cards. I don't see why I would want to thank the valueof a four hundred dollar card to to five percent of what it's worth rightnow. Is this doesn't make any sense. To be fair, the company doesn'tget those four hundred dollars. Well, yeah, I guess you're right.I guess you're right, but at the same time I think that youwant to keep the the allure of those cards high, and I just thinkwould be unfair for those that competed in worlds in two thousand and twelve andtwo thousand and third, it's just eleven two thousand and twelve, to justimmediate, just a just a reprint it. I think that it'd be cool tosee like an erata. No, you can't a Rota computer search,but I might see, like I might see there are rotation of those,those that block of cards, raspecs are...

...what's a black and white to legendarytreasures. Yeah, I I could see a potential. Yeah, I couldsee a potential rotation for for that block, but I don't think that I wouldlike that for personally. Yeah, I just don't think that I justdon't think that a reprinting would whatever occur. It might be the solution of peoplewant. I know it is just solution of people want. I justdon't think it'll happen. Yeah, I don't know about beach continkling. Iright, I I could definitely see them reprinting cards. I think actually theopposite. It's good for Pokelon because then they're getting the profits on these cardsinstead of the secondhand vendors. That being said, though, I don't know. Pretty like I don't think they could reprint traffical beach outside of a world'scard. Sure that? I don't think that's just a hard stop. No, I have brought up the idea of like print the same card but haveit be different and give it the sycamore role and then you still the prestigioustropical beats. If you want to flex on people, but you give anoption to accessible people. That still probably half the value or more, butsure it'd keep it. Well, there's not. I mean they're and thereis precedence for the company to release more beaches into the players hands. Wehave seen that in world's in the past where there were side events where playerstheir hands on tropical beach. That could be another thing where it's not asovert but it's kind of a discreet side event and expanded regionals. That wouldbe insane. Yeah, I mean likely exactly something like that, where you'regiving out up, you know, maybe you're not giving out a thousand copies, maybe you're not giving out, you know, even five hundred copies,but maybe you're giving out a hundred more copies of the player base. Maybejust slightly reducing that that, you know, accessibility issue. I don't know whatthe number is to be to be relevant, but you know what Imean, where it's a little bit more discreet, maybe it's through a sideevent as opposed to a product that players could buy. So yeah, actually, now that you bring that up, there was a there's a side eventat nationals two thousand and fifteen. Yeah, where you could win a number ongold star. Yo. There there was another day you had to plowthrough like nine or ten people just the best of one. That's of oneround, but I think I remember this because I lost my second round bydrawing so dead but long, Oh gosh, what's his name? I think itwas a long booie or something along this one becose Pine Oh la Let. Yeah, I was in him. I might have been, I don'tknow, but he ended up on top with the number on gold star.That's all. I was just so jealous. Oh, it is amazing. Therewas there were other side events for like we use and stuff like that, but I remember that. Yeah, and UPLOADER is like this is theone. That's it. I mentioned rotation as well. I think rotation isa tough thing to balance because I think that black and white cards aren't reallythat broken, besides a couple of them, for like egg, I think isone of the most broken cards ever, and this just happens to be inblack and white. I think XY actually is the highest percentage of problematiccards. You know, we have stuff like the pyro or, we havestuff like sky field, we have Shaymin, we have yes seeker, we havejust battle compressor. But Riley, that feels like expanded to me right. That? No, this one, say, is like that's what expandedis. I'm just saying, like rotating black white like doesn't fix expanded.You know, it's you're still have all the cars in our problems. Youjust lose egg and concert. You know, I'm like Seismantade, right, youwould lose those size with toes is x y row, like, Ohyeah, I was just a problem out a garrow that you could do somethinglike like Yu Gi. Oh. Does they have a forbidden, limited andsemilimited list that updates every few months? Right? I know that Pokemon doesn'thave the energy to put clearly the banning certain cards, but I think that, like if you just like kept, you can kept keep things interesting.But putting like sky field at one, you know, I imagine, imaginethe snore storm x just not having access to all for sky field and Ithink to burn for the one or like having to play. I don't know, I think that'd be interesting. I think we kind of cool, butyeah, I mean we're not. You go for sure. I think there'sdefinitely ways it could. I see like three branching paths to really get expandedto work. What path one? I think it's the best one, andthat's too really the heavily monitor the format and keep up with bands in avery rigorous way. Path two is and that could path one could potentially includelike a limited list as well. Path too is just get rid of itand say we're done with it because basically it's just an American only format witha little bit of Japanese events and then, like once in a blue moon,one year peer in personal attend to ape ant main tournament. And thenpath three is to rotate it. But...

I don't really like rotation unless theygo past x and Y, because otherwise it's basically the same. But thenyou just have like sun and moon to sword and shield and that feels goofylike claim. Yeah, I like expanded. I like the breadth of expanded andyou know, if any TSPI employee ever listen to this cast, justplease don't get rid of expanded. It's so much fun. Yeah, sothey have to more liberally like keep an eye on the format. I thinkwe shouldn't have run or happened twice that. I think that's what it yeah,it should be. That's from definitely that's what happens in you gio.I mean they keep their cards all the way back from legends of Blue Eyes, why Dragon, like all those cards are legal. But they monitor thegame and I could abby hasn't don't problems. They like if they don't do agreat job of it all the time and immediately putting their players in thedebt and and stuff like that. But like this, imagine if we justhad somebody keeping an eye on on how trevn were just clapped everybody and goteverybody upset. I got that. Think that's where they can look at.Sure, absolutely. Yeah, definitely. So I think that covered a lotof the people problems we brought up for expanded. I guess the one othercard I think is probably worth mentioning is a lot of people of calling outsham ay x as problematic card. Do you think that's a card that's worthpotentially leaving the format? No, no, I think you need to have theboth senses of the spectrum, whether your stall or your turbot. Shavemany x is a key component of having a turbot like build and if you'regoing to play Teber like build, part of the part of the consequences ofdoing so is having a too prize liability on your bench. Yeah, soI think that it's bounced and it has a hundred ten HP. So thatis come heate. Shame. It's cool Jimmy's finding me, as long ashe's not work. Nine worth ninety dollars, like it wasn't two thousand and fifteenan. He's cool. Sha was actually cool to he's just a niceguy, nice lad. Right, cool. So I think we can head overto like the question answers from chat. If anyone who is currently in chathas anything, feel free to drop it now. GW You see anything, if you scroll up and see anything that you want to particularly call outto start us off, yeah, absolutely well, someone asked and it wasanswered here in the chat, but you only had three tropical beach in yourin your top four list from Collinsville. Can you shed any light on that? Yeah, testing with Hell, look, I'll be completely on. I don'thave access to four beach on ptcg Oh and all the testings that Idid with three and like a silent lapt for Dallas, it just felt right. So when I translated my testing experience from Dallas to Collinsville, playing withthree beach just felt fine. There were times wherein I was where I feltlike a fourth beach here would feel like too much. If I when Ikept the power plant in initially, it would have just felt like unnecessary.And so not only did I say several hundred dollars in the process like Ihad the optimalcount of Tropical Beach in my back, sure, and the accountof dollars in your pocket. Oh absolutely. So what would have been a maybesixty one card? Would it have been the fourth beach or would ithave been something else? Man, the I'm sure that you went over justyou probably you know throughout so many ideas for this. I mean I knowof you know our limited testing before Richmond, I think, and just there areso many things that you could fit into the stack. So so walkus through me. Sixty second card. There was a time where I wasplaying you face clide in the deck as a way to simply have access toget lost on the bench. Rohadots a rhado Tiller and it was a freeretreat book one as well, and me it was pretty cool until I wasat the gym and Message Brady Button or mid midrap and I was like,munch legs right, like do you think that much lex city better than you, because you can snack search as we retreat anyways, and like it couldbe disinherently better than you. And so we checked it in and we lovedit. So that was that was another card that I was considering that eventuallydidn't make the cut because of bunch like superiority. Another one was, insteadof playing two one pire or I was thinking about playing one one pire orone did a prison star and then make them pay Persian, because make abay, make them pay. Version. Can just you get that off?One against a guy that's just been stopped calling his hand? Yep, fora few turns and then he's got nothing. Yep. So I think that wasbut that initially hit the chopping block because we're like, what if wejust roll the dice with Durant and just how? I was going to sayright, right, and you hope you hit enough resources that it can work, because obviously durant is is a little bit more of a budget Persian whereit's random. It's down to four cards, but it's random, whereas persions youget to select and he, you know, person can obviously you knowis a better car, but the cost...

...of getting into play is a littlebit tougher there. So I feel like in the end, yeah, probablyDuran just fulfilled all your needs in and gave you one more card slot towork with. Yep, exactly. Cool. Anything that? Anything that you wantto say about the standard format? How are you feeling? Are youplaying planning to play anymore pokemon here and then in the upcoming month or soand like my my next event, guaranteed, big one I should say, isprobably going to be four way and that's not until May. Yeah,so, like right now I'm just trying to get my life together. We'rejust gonna I'm looking at the inner format. I'm thinking ATPEC. Seems like thebest are in large. I'm hoping that the whenever happens in Malmo orin Toronto shakes things up a little bit, because I'm looking at this format andI'm just thinking this was like boring stuff. So if he's action,will the job swerd? It's like like just the like if you you canacceler energy with action, which is cool, but having too hard attach to energy, to ATP and just praying that it doesn't get disrupted or like onething I was kind of frame storming in my head. It was like whatif I played like wait and see Hammers, like the Quran and like some acalled and drum home, maybe some order pat I think that be kindof spicy, kind of cool, kind of fun, but I mean atthe same time, if you don't find the wait and see Hammer, youjust get bodied and then you just wasted you know, whatever the cost ofiministration was and you have to go home. So we're we're just trying to befiscally responsible for the next few months until we're wayne rolls around and hopeit. I think that's when rebel correct clash had come out breck. Ithink it's the first night or I so I'm looking forward to when that comesout because there seems to be some pretty interesting cards in there that I'm readyto explore. And that'll be a new format. So I think there'll bea time when for vats on the chaos exactly to get there started and toocome up something cool for that tournament. Very Cool Jesse, asking and chat. Do you think we'll see similar results in Charlotte with Trevor Nore being themost of day to or do you think people will figure it out and see'sless success, obviously assuming they don't do any sort of emergency panning right.I mean at this point looks like tpc eire and leave at the whole coronavirusthing going on. So there were considered about canceling the U, I see, and streaming about low that is hey, you gotta you gotta do what yougotta do, but I think safety first. Again. Oh yeah,of course, of course we want to make sure that we're alive for forany I see four worlds, hopefully. But Dude, a hundred thousand casesglobally. Yeahs tract a hunds crazy. That's it's why I but in turnback on topic, I think that we can expect a lot of people justgoing brain dead, copying the same sixty going in with Trev more. Butthose that have the time to bounce from Toronto to Charlotte to maybe fix uptheir turboard oark list, I don't think that that matchup is good for turboardark, even unless they have a an amazing first turn. But I don'tknow. Who knows? I'd be I'm writing an article. It'll be publishedin a few days. I wouldn't mind going back with a similar sixty,stall sixty for that tournament. I will not be attending, but saying WHO'sthere won't be any bands. Where is there's likely not going to be anybands. I'd predict this. ALARMTA, is anything that you could do installto help improve it versus trevor more, I think that you have to gosecond. That's first and foremost. You have to go second. You canattend, you can't. Maybe a fourth beach would be good. Maybe youjust spend the money and do it. You have to have you have togive yourself enough opportunate end up turns to draw out of it. I thinkAdler did a really good job with his while stall deck by being really headsup and playing Reggie Giggis. A hundred HP means that Trevornoor is not goingthrough and wall hit still give you another turn to open break. So that'sthat's, unfortunately, roughute you have to take when you're going to that deck, and I think a Reggie Gegas is heat up, so I would probablyteck in one of those and swap that out for the birds. The birdswere they were, they were okay, but I think they they would havebeen better with it I had the Reggie Gegas instead, and I think thatyou can play. I think you can play another counter catcher perhaps, ormaybe even going the fourth sub route might be right, might be worth butI don't know. I don't know. I'M NOT gonna be sessing to thatformat. I'll keep an eye on it for sure, but I'M gonna bechilling for a little bit, for sure. Cool for sure. Yea Cool Ithink think we've about covered everything it. I had you. Have you haveany other questions you want to ask? John? Well, John, Ijust want to say you know,...

...it's been great having you. Doyou have any shoutouts that you'd like to you'd like to give here on thecast? Hey, it first of form a shouts you guys for hosting thisfirst news pot. I think you guys do a great job every week.I look forward to listening to you guys every week, so keep up thegreat content. Shout out to Brady and Brian Hunter for being my testing partnersfor the COLLINSVILLE regional without their help and their their big brains, that wouldnot have been able to think the back of the success that it did,and I think it's about it. I'll shout out the Colton Day for justbeing a pleasure and just being a homie. That was much, for sure.Yeah, Oh, lovely individual. Yeah, you had a really,really good set of photos, I'm sure. Oh yeah, it was a blessing. Another reason to play the book on training our game. If youget if you hit the if you if you had the string of opponents thatI had during my weekend. You'd come back every weekend to play. Definitely, definitely cool. Well, thank you so much as well for joining USjob. We really appreciate yes, and great insight. And for those ofyou who want to check out John some more, he is a big onsocial media, but he does write for team rockets hide out, so youcan buy his articles individually. Even if you even if you hate every otherwriter on that site, you could just buy John's. So he's got somegreat stuff for you out there and what that will be to coming to aclose. We appreciate all you guys for listening. Be Sure to rate reviewon Itunes or whatever podcasting platform you listen on, and we'll catch you nexttime. Peace.

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