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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 2, Episode 6 · 1 year ago

2-5. Health over Pokemon

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys discuss the effects of COVID-19 on organized play. Strong recommendations against attending large events. To all the listeners: stay safe and healthy.

All right, what is up everybody welcomeback to tag team. The POKEMON trading card games, Premiere podcasting duo. Myname is Ryley Hobert and I'm joined by my good aunt Harry friend, J, Wcreewall Gw. How you doing today, I'm very hairy. You are your hairs forthe people are listening. His hair is exploding in many directions at themoment as well. I can finallyly attained by head tid. I Cun finally putit in a Bun, I mean it's not a big Bot. This is been. I oicast I feellike. Iknow this is what I've been working towards for the last. What would yousay Raley five months, something like that? It was like right after Ecaus,either right before right after Rono right, that's a probably about right. So Iguess four months so this is. This is pretty good yeah, it's finally comingaround and it's really throwing out. You know it's kind of. I feel like I'mkind of just starting to reach. Like the puberty stage of I, my hair yeah of my Manbun, whereit's just kind of things are getting bigger. You know it's noticeable yeah. I definitely there's definitely adifference even from like a month ago, so yeah, it's nice, I mean hey, youknow soon, we'll have some flowing locks that will rival even fabio evenFabio. That's a that's a tall order, man, but honestly we always say you gotto set your goals high. You know you got ta Ai for the top or you're nevergoing to get anywhere, so I'm for right, I'm for it for sure anything else been going on in theworld JW. Well, I was supposed to have a gigtonight, so I was thinking that we would have to record the podcast. Alittle later turns out. Things are growing crazy in the world right nowand it was CANP, and so here I am yeah and I know we'll have plenty to sayabout that for sure absolutely, and you know honestly, I feel like this.Everything is going to eventually lead to that point, so we might just Walleto start right. We got to talk about covid nineteen and it's afect upPokamon, because this is crazy. We're intendto talk about this last week,even and it just Wei eah chances were Erobeng Sean, but this is reallyblowing up in the just the castimal days. Well, and it's just like, and youknow we're laughing about it, but I feel like that's like the only responsethat I can even writ it's not even laughing, because it's funny it's justlike Jus, laugh, Wi, so n else that I'veexperienced ever and my wife is trying to say like well. Do you remember SARS or like H, onend one, but I waslike significantly younger back then, and I still don't remember just thingsgetting canceled like the NBA just never got canceled right for sous. Youknow that just I mean insois one. An one I felt like was not that big of adeal you know in Thia yeah tat to that too. It's just really. It's scary. It's interesting! It's unique! It's justkind of wild and I'm very shocked that we're seeing this massive response. Imean. I hope, that it's kind of an over kill right. I hope that that it'sactually not just insanely widespread, but just that all these you knowcolleges and Sports Leagues, and things like this are just taking extraprecautionary measures right, but I don't know when well know, and it'sit's hard to say, because it has such a long incubation period and it clearlyspreads quickly. It's a it's been wild. You know, like I mean I work in the medical industry,and so we kind of get our own perspective into this and we'redeveloping software to keep up with the what's going on. But, for example, there's a hugemedical conference that was supposed to happen this week and we had tons ofpeople trying to get ready for it, and...

...just I gets canceled like the daybefore Yep and yeah. That's just the way things are right now. All sorts of hospitals that I work withare all like. Restricting their travel like nobody can leave the area and theyall have to work remote on their it teams. It's a it's been a while ridefor sure and sure I think what really kicked off it really setting in howcrazy it was getting for me, it was honestly when EUIC got canceled rightand so right, because that's that's our bubble right right, yeah! You knowthese other things. Okay, whatever you know they're just you know, maybe goinga little off the deep end or you know they don't you know, or maybe it's likein a different country. You know it's a little closer to the epidemic orsomething like that, but but to have a major pokemon tournament. Canceled wasyeah very eye opening to me as well right and I mean now in the past coupledays. We've had more things which were also serving that kind of purpose likethe MBA getting canceled for the season. That's pretty ey opening you know, likeyou, haveet been cancele, it's been suspended in the NBA's defense, butsuspended indefinitely, so I could just be cance. It's probably justcanceled at this point so like and again kind of echoing whatyou said. I hope in my it's not saying that I think it is because I thinkwe're doing the right things, but I hope that this ends up being an overreaction in the sense that I hope that things aren't as severe as they couldbe. I like, I don't want people gettinghurt or dying and I'm glad that we're taking the measures. I would ratherovershoot something like this, then undershoot it right. That's exactlexactly. I think, we've seen a little bit of a miscalculation by maybe thehighest up. You know the government, people that could maybe have putpreventative measures in place. You know a month or two ago- and you knowobviously hindsight is two thousand and twenty, but you know still having justtesting kids and more affordable healthcare for this in particular. But then you look at theresponse from you know the colleges you look at the response from thePerforming Arts Sector, which I'm very heavily involved in which is again justlike canceling, pretty much everything my gig got. Canceled, you know a bunchof things from orcstras around the country have been cancelled, so they'relike very aware and then Pokemon as well. I just hope that they do a littlebit more. You know we have some regionals that are coming up anCharlotte and Toronto, and to be honest, that this point I really really wouldsuggest that they do not happen and if you are planning ongoing or if you werePlannin on going, I would suggest that you do not go. I we were talking aboutthis pretty extensively beforehand. I would agree we're getting to the point where thingsjust need to be canceled like for Charlotte is in a hotbed right now it'snot a great place to be not to mention the organizers. Just got technicallybanned from entring the United States, because organs are from Europe, sothat's also a thing yeah, but regardless. I think I think both of these regionals haverecently announced a refund policy if they don't get formally cancelled. Iwould take advantage of that. I really would recommend putting not only yourown health, but you are no doubt surrounded by a lot of people who couldpotentially be impacted if you were a carrier for you know, Xmoun of weeksand so think of it as more. It doesn't necessarily have to be you if you're,young and fit and likelyt be okay from something like this. There are tons ofpeople, even people who are like invisible to you, not necessarily because you don'tnotice them or they're, not apart of your life, but they their immunocompromise aspect of their life might not be obvious on first sight right andobvious example. That comes to mind. That's relates her on personal lives.Is Our friend Otto he's very fit young man, but he isImmuno copperise because he has chros disease and he takes bills thatsuppresses immune system, so he's kind of an apperess population.You would never guess bout looking at...

...him, so exactly so, I guess the pointI' driving home is like think about the people around. You Be Kindof en o thatand just I would really recommend, staying away from these largegatherings at this point in time. If we're seeing to the point where allthese other things are being canceled even in other card games like magic andYugo, have suspended everything and definitely like we got to take the sameattitude if it's not officially implemented. Although I would not besurprised if we see a statement in the next week from pokeon right, I would. I would agree with that.It's just it's interesting too, because normally, I would be a little bit morelike you know, it's not that big of a deal or like you know we can. We canstill have this and as long as we take precautionary measures, but just thefact that all these other places have canceled like. I trust that- and Ireally trust for the NBA to say that you know Probay, arguably the bestAmerican Sports League right now. You know, at least in terms of trajectory-maybe not you know, earnings as much as the national football league, but inyou know, they've been on a huge upworture directory for the last coupledecades and for them to just say, like you know what we're forgoing allprofits. You know to have these big companiesjust say you know what No. This is more important like that to me. I trust thata lot when a company can say I value a person over a promt yeah. Definitely Imean we're to the point where medical conferences are being cancelled andthat's exactly the kind of thing you would want to discuss these kinds of happening. So,if that's not any education, I don't know what I is also we just lost anentire country, basically like it, atleast is gone effectively from plitetearth for the Timeyeah yeah it'Sblacke out yeah. That's I yeah that I was thatwas pretty sobering to to hear that. Maybe what a week ago, where they werejust like tespending, pretty much all nonessential operations and now evenmore restrictive right, Davi shicted today to only banks, grocery stores andpharmaceutical companies. Everything else is closed. Like I come on, like we're sdealing withsomething serious for sure. So again, our recommendation is snaps, go toevents and any metadiscussion that we have is just for your own personal tgoenjoyment at the moment eas. We really want to stick Tory gunson this. I personally want T, go events right now, I'm sure w s the same yeah H.I was thinking about going to cup this weekend and even then I mean it's kindof tough to because you don't want to let something like this turn into. Somuch of a panic that that your entire life is just you know: Zero, like yourflat lining from doing anything and you're like scared to you, know,breathe like that's, that's a little excessive so like I think you could getaway with local events, but even that said like I, I am not going to localcups. You know I am not going to be the one that could potentially I don't know be that carrier O be thatthat harm right force yeal. So you know you kind of have to weigh your way yourpros and cons a little bit. I think locally. You can kind of get away withyou know, meeting up with your friends. Obviously you know doing small eventgatherings, but a thing as large as a regional. So you just you just neverknow, and I would I would stay away from something like that. Yeah I meanto be honest and I'm going to get a little critical here, the Charlotteregional. Now this granted. This was before the the travel band for Europeinto the United States. They released a statement earlier today that I thoughtwas frankly just kind of irresponsible about the regional still being going onand the reason I say that is it just kind of red, like you know, if you'resick, just don't come like, please don't come, we we ask you pretty, please it's justlike you know. You see Yor it's kind of likeacknowledging, there's a problem, but refusing to do anything about it. You know you...

...well, they had laid out, you know so atthe point they laid out, there's Gong to be hand. SANITIZER and they'll have,like their staff, will be trained, but like an this, isn't meant to be rude, butlike judges make mistakes even just with pokemon cards, you know and nowwe're also putting the onens of responsibility with on to them for likemanaging pandemic outbreak. Like that's Soun,that's not fair to the judges or the players. You know an I think in theirdefense in their defense. I don't know if it was categorized as a pandemic,because I believe that was done today, so they had ot. I don't know, I'm just sayingi'm, not I'm not. Youknow defending necessarily I'm just providing more. You know why you knowwhy the to or why the head organizer. Would you know why they would release thestatement like that? You know because if you, if you don't have these kind ofofficial measures taken, then I think it can be pretty easy to just say: Ohyou know, things are going to be fine like it's a little bit overblown and ifyou don't see e, the I don't know carnage or if you don'tsee the the effects you know in your home country, then it's going to belike Al Right. Think things are going to blow over. It's not really that bigof a deal, but now that it is, you know, classified as a panamic by the WorldHealth Organization. That's just a really big step and I hope pokemon follows follow, step with a lot ofthese other organizations and cancels their tournaments. I mean thepresident's definitely been set with other card games, so you know if he gets to the point whereyougois canceling tournaments the most money, grubbing of them all. I thinkhiy think we're good man. I think it's good to call it quits. So then I think we have to talk aboutlike what are the consequences of this. You know if this wis something I wasinitially thinking of when ouic got canceled. You know like that is the bigtournament in Europe. A A lot of our listeners are from North America. Wehave a lot that are also from you know: Autralia Europe, South America, and so you know losing your IC is a big deallike that is where a large amount of your entire regions points will comefrom. If you think about right for the NA listeners every year we have a hugeamount of people who put their invite on to Naic saying I need to get tpt PT,six top UN twenty eight xamount at an IC to actually get my invite feralsthis year and a lot of them that's how they get their invite. You know it'svery, very common for people to just clean up that last. Eighty points thatnaic absolutely and I think it would be on a fairly large order of magnatute tothat that would happen. So then t you know this is completely ignoring anydiscussions that, like what would happen any. I see, though, what do wethink pokmon should do about Europe under the assumption that world stillhappens? Yeah I mean this is again. This is alljust saying that okay, we're controlling the virus. We understandthe implications of canceling these events and kind of keeping people awayfrom large gatherings and just saying, okay, we'll have the virus undercontrol. Until we can get, you know the testing supplies the doctors necessary,the hospitals, ready to go etce, etc, so that worlds coan happen. So, okay,assuming all that is taken care of right, I mean they'll, have the lowerthe CP requirement. You know it kind of feels a little like to me, I'm sayingthis out loud and it feels a little stupid to say just because of how how much this is gone from likeZeroto hundred in America, but it's you know: Yeah they'll have tolower the CP requirement. They'll have to maybe potentially add like atournament or two spe, type event where you know they can position themstrategically, where you know people can get to them and Garner a few morepoints that they would otherwise need. Yeah. I think that's kind of thesituation we're in, although I will say like finding a stuff planning,something like a...

...ie or not n. i CBI, like a specialevent out or even a regional. That's a lot of OFOR, an manpowerthat's to go into that a lot of planning ahead of time. You know justto secure these genus is something that has to happen a while out. So then I think another question thatcould potentially be interesting is: What is the metric there? You know whatis a fair amount to award back to the players in the eventof something like an ibing canceled I mean it's tough. I think you wouldprobably the biggest thing would probably just be to lower the the CPbar. So if you're saying that you know per quarter, you know you expect anXamount of CP and then, if you have lost what this is quarter three now, soif you lose a quarter, then you lower the CP by that amount I mean that wouldbe probably the first way to go. The other thing that you could maybe do interms of adding new tournaments that wouldn't quite be the manpowernecessary to add like another regional RSPE, would be to potentially add morelocal tournaments. I don't know that's not the best answer, but if you gaveevery store you know a cap of, I don't know two cups orthree cups, even in the worfor, then maybe that can afsuage some of thedifficulty that people have in occrurring their points. I I kind ofagree. Those are all things. I've kind of thought, I'm out, I think, forEurope, probably lowering about fifty ish CP would be appropriate as itstands. Currently, if thinks CINTINU to get canceled, that would need to be look at further. I think you're kind of right, you kindof have to judge it if you lose a large portion of aquarter that would translacte to how much CP should probably get like Ba toyou so yeah. I think like on average, you probably have about fifty in Europethat you would need to account for assuming nothing else really happens.If more stuff continues to happen, we be looking more like a hundred or evenmore than that potentially sure, and it really just depends on the scope ofthings that happen. Sure the only probem is like also quarter.Four is very short typically, and so, if it gets to the point where we'regood to go in quarter, for we only have so much time to make up, I mean andit's and it's not going to be fair right and there's not there's no fairsolution. I guess you know, there's no perfect, there's no perfect solutionand, like you know, and then it doesn't even take into the fact that, likemaybe people plan their whole season around having you know, quarter threeopen in Europe right and they're, saying: okay, I'm going to go to Melmo,I'm going to go to the European championships and I'm going to justgrind I'm going to start from nothing and then go to you know. Invite then solike it's not going to be fair right. You just have the cancel things and andthat's very unfortunate, but it's just the reality of the situation yeah. I Ithink, that's kind of the unfortunate truth is: There's no perfect solutionto do something completely out of our control right right. It pokmon didn'tdecide for this to happen, theyare just reacting to it and it's kind of wherewe are right now. Mi Hope. My sincere hope is that things get to the pointwhere we can still have a world championship, and it includes as manypeople who would have otherwise gone as possible, but I I guess that just all remains tobe seen sure yeah, absolutely so we're twenty minutes in we've talkedabout Corono virus for twenty minutes, t goid, nineteen again we'll say this one last time ourrecommendation is to not go to large events right now, and we sincerely hopethat Bokmon listens to the world community at this point andpostpones are Canceles Evans as necessary. Particular leases. Farathoein Charlotte, are the IMEDIAT ones on or radar probably Selt Lake City, aswell yeah shifting gears a little bit. I don't want to completely not talkabout the Etijist, because I am kind of enjoying where it is right now. I wouldrestrict it to Tcgo. That's where I'm...

...playing right now I id gram. It's greatyeah like Tcgo, is a great small place. Tobe, that's right! SVI know you alsowant to cup this last weekend, Wai Yeah, adps aution. I know it was so broken.They cancelled all events afterwards, that was just such a definitive win.They had to stop the season. So why don't you talk to us about that?A little bit yeah, so I played just a tag, call version of ADP. I thought itwas. You know the best deck and I had been laboring a lot to try to find adeck that would win. I was I you know before the weekend. I was a hundredpoints basically away from the invites, and so I was just looking for you knowways to w get those few finishes for Cups and just saying: okay, what's thebest deck in the format, let me just build that and and ye h, so I thinky, Iaccrured the cards for Frady psassion and you know hadn't played a tournamentin this format. Yet so I was curious to see how it would go and ended up going.Pretty well, I just found throughout the day that I was significantly moreconsistent than my opponent and I'm happy that I built the ATP Zashan deckbecause from what we've been talking about on the cast for like the entiretyof the last month, we've been saying it's the best second Forma Soas, really,ah yeah and- and it's finally like broke through on the internationallevel to- and I felt very validated, not only with my choice at the cub bujust seeing toward- and you know his teammates just do very,very well with it in Malmo, and so you know, as just like, of course thesteck is so busted ended up playing a lot of Meutu. There were three now I played two Mu, two decks in thefinals and top four and edded up to owing both and I played a Pekarom thatI beat, and I think my only loss on the day was to a mirror that I had to playa Dedeni down, and so yeah was hat's, Calashardy ben the ear, sometimes andwell, and then it was like. I played a Todana down and I was like okay. I winthe game if he doesn't have great catchor that turn or igust that turn,because he was a little bit behind. He had like missed a step at some pointand as long as he doesn't have a catch or that turn, but he did and then hewas able to you know steam roll it from there. So it was. It was actually areally intense game because I was able to you know he got the catcher and thenso I'm like okay. If I can just knock out his zasion, he only has the onebuilt up with three energy on it. If I can knock that out, then he has to comeup with another Zassian. You know with two metal patches and you know and and return knockout forthe win, and he ends up doing that which was just insane. I like Marny himand he is able to get his Askan from nothing bill, which is just I mean,that's a testament to how good the deck is. So that was my one OT. I ended upplaying against in round four, I played against a Muttu Malamar, which was pretty tough.I think my opponent maybe made a few misssteps along the way he usedis Pale. Moon, gx M is yeah Tremnor, whichwas, I think, just ha mistake. I Ho wanted to earlier use clear vision, or you know, maybe just disrupt my hand,aerytits God, the matchup for sure instead of using the GX attack, but heended up doing that. So I think maybe just not. He is a little bit of a newerplayer, so I think just maybe not as familiar with how the matchup would go,but squeaked away with that one and finished it out. Obviously, in topeight, with a win against a Zard, a Charzar Greens deck, which is verystressful, I got to say very, very stressful and then to me to to finishout the day, so I felt very comfortable with t e deck. There was really not adeck in the room that I was scared of, and...

I'm just happy that that the deckproved it's worth it. It was something that I was really struggling with,trying to find ways to beat it or you know, should I play this deck and I wastesting and it like wasn't really doing that well on the ladder, but I ended upgoing forward and a paid off yeah. So one thing that I'm interested in andespecially now that you've gotten a chance to play the GA cars in real life.What are your thoughts on kind of the two feel there's. I guess two to point:Five schools up thod with ATPS aution right now, there's the TAT call engineand there's the more tored turbo energy, spinner, variant, Yo and then, ofcourse like within both of those there's, like varying amounts ofcatcher cards that you play in the Ceck so which are those variants. Do youprefer just between this pinner versus big Uzmahala sure? I think that I think that towardsversion is just the corners are a little rounded. I think it's like abetter tag, call version I felt with Taghall. I was never really missing abeat, but I oud also feel that way about towards version and also havelike extra draw like extra power, and so you know, if I had to if I had tocarcategorize, the two lists towards is just yeah. The corners are a little bitround it, so you have this like block. That was the list that I played this.This tag call version. That was, I think, very straightforward, and then you havetowards list which was just like the the cards in the deck were a little bitmore versabile. So I'll give the example of the tag calls versus thecherish falls. Well, TAD calls. You know you want to Tagle on your firstTurnso that you can get your atp down, but you could also have cherish balls,you know and towards version which would get you not only the ETP but alsothe Dedeni. So it's a little bit that little bit more versitile. Additionally,the only way in the tag call version to you know bringout your energy and specifically your Aurora or unit energy would be withGuzmahala. So if you have the you know, energy spinners, then you'reable to draw those out with a GERACI and not need to use your supporter forturn. So again, just like smoothing out the corners and then the energyspinners can be useful in the lake game to dig out the Y, the metal energy and by playingbasic energy. You don't have the discard things, it's just it's just alittle bit. It's like marginally, better right. You know if you have toput like a percentage on it like, I would say it's like four percent fivepercent miner hat, I gnto say you know very tiny compared to the whole, but itis, I think his version is B yeah. It's it's like kind of funny on multiple levels. I guess like firstoff both variants fer the finals right like yeah. Clearly there is it's that,like a clear, obvious choice, because it's really the finals is very close,you know it was. It wasn't like toward was like woBglowin this game. It was always always close yeah. Besides the the situationwhere Brian Deddrew, but even beyond that, I was actuallyexperimenting with Charsfall, just because I was playing to Todene andactually heard on e Limitlis podcast was robin talking about like playingmultiple Tedena and like I like that idea, but I want to search them out, soI started playing chairs falls. I didn't fully catch on to the energy spiner water, though, and thatwas the piece that think I really pushed it to like the next level andsure sure and obviously having the custom and having the acrobikes is alsovery good. I do just want to say in terms of building the ATPS Austian list.There are a few things that I just whatever version you go with. There area few things that I think are like permanence that I would never go lowerthan, and those are the two dedine. I...

...think those are just so good, no matterif you play the tag, call or EP Henayis, really good oords towards version yeah,it's just it's so good. It's such a good crutch and consistency Cardi, it'sso just I can't I can't fathom playing the deck with one to just feels correct,because there are terms at the end of the game where you just want to digthrough your deck and then also ia supporter and so having that is so hugeand then the other thing that I would say ishaving Forzassian is massive, because it's it's a deck that the game plan turn oneis so simple where you want to get an ATP down with an energy, and you wantto get an energy on your Szacian like Tha, that if you do that, I think you know the win percentage for thatboard. State must be, you know astronomically higher than if you you know, didn't get an energy on thisAuskan and obviously like. If you don't get a first turn attachment. So it'sjust that's like the perfect board state and so having the fors Astun sothat you start with it or draw into it is just is very clutch. I'e found it tobe just a huge boon. I was playing with for DRATCI and three Zasian, but thatwasn't that good be for two reasons: one is thatat Ye set me head for S,Ashot, Thou, because y? U JUST NOT FIVE ONE N! No I'm saying I was like testing.I had been testing with ad for and then the one that I sent. You was the onethat I played at that, but starting Azassin isn't so bad right because itjust has a lot of HP, so the GERACI doesn't get knocked out by things likejumping balloon or Sogalio in the metwo decks and yeah. It's just something that youknow can take a hit or two which I really like throughout the day. Soforzastins definitely the way to go and Giraji is almopivot. You like to startwith it. It's definitely a good card to start with, but it's not a card. Youneed to start with where I pa start trashy man like it hapee in some otherdecks. I mean I would look at. I don't know like something like Pikaram islike yeah. He just really love to start drash and you'll creet you'll retreatinto it. Yeah Malamar, like you'll, retreat into DRACI. I don't often findmyself like needing to retreat in Geraci with with Zaskan, so it's great deck and I would just saythose two things to to Denne Forzasian and then really the you. The rest of the list is kind of.However, you prefer it for switch for switch. Okay, foror IR. You can't play deck that forWich. I don't think. Okay, I think forse Warnis a higher priority for asAship, not dude. No, it's for us. I Will TakeOi. If I had to choose te Te, my for Zassion my force switch. I On't play afor switch ro well yeah, but you're not making that choice. No! No! You should,but I'm just saying if I had to that's whati right, you know some horrible thing whashappening to be, and I was forced to choose yes. Yes, yes, it s so yeah. I think I think overall, we kindof have similar thoughts like toward kind of push the deck to the next level.I am kind of still a fan of the decks that play more than four catchers like three tofour POKA. I catter was trure yeah. You were talking that a little bit as wellyeah. I talked about that a lot our group chats. I still really like thatand part of the reason I like that is in the mirror. Getting that Gust is ifyou can get the GOSP before them. It kind of puts you in the exact state youneed to win, especially if they R Pon O playd, I butDedenna down, and you can. What is it called ATP attack it sure if you can ultimate ray at theDena with ATP, you basically win every...

...time with Yep psassion in the mirror.So that's why I like having a lot of catchers. That being said, they're not necessary,they're, definitely NBOON, and you can kind of Wav for yourself whether you'drather play acro bikes or you know more tech cards or whatever sure, definitely a preference rume. Onething that I didn't love from towards listed- and I hope I'm rememberingcorrectly, but I don't think he played a feon which I found was not mentalyyoun or reset Stan Yeah. I found the feon to be just immensely useful in every basically every game I played,even as just a disruption, but also that little extra insurance againstsomething like stall or obstagoon right. You know I did play end up playing astall deck. I won very easily on Saturday, but the you know playingagainst obste and I feel like you would want that that gust and then it canalso just disrupt against things like specifically Mut Tu. If they start amet to and then bench one to Denna with no other cards, then just using the feon is like you're,forcing them to burn a resourceor to attach a an a skateboard or something,and that's not always something that they have in hand. I actually had thathappen and I think my top formatch, where I just use the use the feon justto try to provide you, know a little bit of desruption and make him waste aresource and it turms out. He never had that resource to begin with. So itbought me an extra turn and with that kind of matchup, just thatextraturn is basically going from okay, well see how it plays out to I ham,infirm control of this game from star to finish so yeah so and shout up tothe tricky gym raiders who are just coming in. I think we've talked a lot about Zashan.It's very clear that we love Zauchan on tag team. Whet. U Think IT'S THEBESTECK! We have tought it's the best deck for a month now and that'sprobably not going to change in the firseeable future right, but there areother decks out there and I think the ones that are rising to the top for meare Dheble Sephalondex, both the baby and the adult bt. Honestly, I think I'm really likingBlesepaon gx right now as surprising him out, which is something I neverthought. I would say right, like OK and Brady, and I have been talking a lotabout Pacephlonand we've, just literally netdecked the list from Halmothat played the formarnies and it's just been so good. It's I've been dealing with ATPS very well.I've been you know, rolling over all sorts of other GX DEK right and it'sbeen a blast. Have you got a chance to test out any of those firedecks? I have played a little bit of the babybotle Sephlon Deck, and I found that to be just extremely fun. More thananything, I often foey fun that Tesabl I ls I lose the you know, just theconsistency like when you go from a deck like ATP, which is like for me,has never really whiffed. You know I never really wit that turned to altrcreation, a you know unless they play something like crushing Hammer, but youknow you just it's so consistent and then you go to something like blisseffLon where Youe like well, I need a welder here and hope I hit anotherPokemon, or else I you know it's like that kind of thing: You're, always kindof that early game where you're on the edge of your seat. I don't love that,but obviously the lake game, where you're one shouting one shouting oneshotting. Everything in Your Path is so strong that you can't reallydiscountted it yeah I've. A honestly. My favorite part, is to find's listjust for the fun of it as been e. The CRAMARAN, the CRAMERV is so fun to uselike if you're desperate you could beat catch which that rocks. I love that and then the the. What is it like thebeak shot. Is that what it's called like shot just like, hitting a the Dena or adraci or an Obstagun, or something just...

...that is amazing. Obro. Whenever I'm ondiscord with Brady, we call it Creamy, lad and honor of Mark Daily pit shot. That's what it is. Thot BeeShat, so yeah cramy lad, has been insanelyclutch for me. I've loved that. But honestly, I do like theseplangx moreright now for exactly the kind of things thatyou're calling out that you didn't like about Babil Steflon, where you Kdon't you're, offering these weird situationswere like. I have to hit a Pokemon of this mater or I have to hit two firesan crystal off this wil there right right, righ, all sorts of crazy stufflike that yeah. You just put yourself in these situations where you're likejust clunching, you know you just clench the whole sine time. It remindsme like Malamar, you know where you just you know, hope I hit it. You KnowCynthia for six and I hope I hit Ikeenergy and a right. I Jis, you knowit's like you're, just clenching the whole time with Bul Suflon. So it nevergives me enough confidence to play it in a tournament, but I just loverolling it on the ladder, because you pretty much know on so mal to PLA. Bothof US AV on decks are great for ladder just because they'rl, like they're,quick, they're fun, you have a great time playing them, but honestly, like if I was going to a tournant, whichagain, I recommend not doing, I think well Sep Pons, one of my toppics right now. Gx It does, in my opinion, does reallywell into ATP because you can tip what Someo ont O atpiece biggest boons isthat you can force the ATPUP and then force two autions and that's threeknockouts, which are kind of hard to get individually. All of them severyone can offset that just bybursting. You know you burst one turn and then they're still attaching otheir ATP and immediately you offset that trade right. It can knock out.Atps Tho turn that Theygx, but even if you wiff it, it's not the end of theworld, because the island challenge amulate, the thick Marny line can actually justaffect any deck. Make Rim just randomly with one thing: that's all it reallytakes. I just I think the decks really srongright now and also the draw power is insane like it's so fun to draw threecards at a time for different times. In a turn, let's see R E factory Orcoreo, theNegana del and Wier, Oh and wilder right and you could like get italltwice. So I guess you could draw it five times, but yeah yeah, it's justlike the drog three over and over is just hilarious to me. I have a greattime doing that. It's like playing a how repeatedly yeahYo know it's like something is more exciting about drag three four timesthen al like draing. Three twice is more exciting than drawing six onces anmy yeah yeah dig all these ridiculous actions to Dawthree. Like I'm Gonto DESCARB, this fire energy, then this ism going tostart this Oltiar Biese and then because when Mi pokemo was knocked out,I'm going to draw three more just cause and then I'of attache to energy anddraw three borcs is like what is going on over there. So what I mean, would you feelconfident to take blosephelon gx to you know, hypothetically, I mean Torontoshouldn't happen. We expect them to cancel that tournament, but if Toronto washappening and you were going, would you be comfortable taking both eplongx? OhYeah? Actually, I've I've been playing a lot of Fok onTcgo the last couple days. I kind of we talked about this, a lot you and Iindividually, but we always talk about how like people like toward alwaysmanaged to find like the next step. You know, and I was on talking to Brady the other dayand we're like you know. How does this keep happening and I don't thinkthere's having? They obviously have a lot of an eght talent, but tord playsmore pokemon than probably anyone in the world that guy is on ladder and youyou'll see him there too. I played...

...toard tons of times on the ladder and I'm just like you know what I justgot: Ta Flay More Fock Mon, so I've been playing a lot and a lot of thattime has been devoted, toble ste long because it just keeps winning asure.How about that? Let's, let's go down that rabbit holefor a little bit, because we were talking about this. You know over thelast week, but just saying like the Ou is doing very well, were wealways kind of not not us specifically, but I think Americans in general justkind of rag on Europe as being maybe a lesser region or you K O not as skilled aon average, and I would just wonderyour thoughts on that. You know. I think there is like this kind ofAmerican dominance type. But if we look at you know the EU winners ar the ICwinner. Excuse me, since it's happened, I mean it's amajority of European players. So just given that, like, how would you addresssomebody that says America's better than Europe? You know, I think it's. You can neverreally make a sleeping statement like that, but I think there has been a hugestigma with Europe and I think part of it is they have a smaller player base.So it kind of seems like just these. A couple players are the only ones thatmatter when they probably proportionally have more fantasticplayers than America does. If I really had to make a reach there, they've won. I think if you, if I'mdoing the mathright they've won over half of the ICES they've won worlds recently,when I don't think the US can really say that last time we won WorldwasJacavan Wagner in two thousand and fifteen. So I mean Europe is reallymaking a case for themselves and I don't think the haters are unjustifiedand I think even beyond that, I think the US for a long time had a really badattitude about the game and they didn't really care to get better. They didn'treally care to test as extensively as they should have, and this attitude iskind of adjusted over the years. But if you look back on archive fromlike vermank and hey fante from a couple years, back you'll see it wherepeople just do not care to test and were adamant. That testing was a wasteof time right and I would say, Hey I choose my deck. You know the day beforeand the day, and this was something we saw a lot of people saying andresonating with and American players. That is yeah, and I actually I mean Ikind of think back to when I was first starting and like not to by no meansthrowing this legendary American player under the bus. But like you'd, havethese stories and he'd write articles but kylsukovitch would be like well, Ihave two decks and I rolled a die t the day of, and I chose this deck becauseit was a six. You know, and it's like. Oh you knowso, even as long as I'vebeen playing like people just in America, I've just kind of yeah,maybe fore gone testing and now we're kind of seeing just what can happen, how the heightsyou can reach the more that you test right and so, like ie kind of decidedthat I want to work on that more and improve more because I want to be- and I think I don't think, I'm like abad player by any means, but I want to be on the top of the game. You know Idon't want to just. I don't want to not win regionals, you know, and I don't want to just got top forwith them either. You know Rit. I was very happy to get out for last year,but I want to win regional. So what can I do to take that next step right andthat's kind of where mine mindset is right now which his led me down thispath of plane with seplon on ladder ebunch Wat, no yeah? Maybe that isn't the bestsolution to the problem, but I do think it's a very good deck. Ithink it's very underrated right now, I think sure are taking it for grantedand thinking that it can't be ADP when that's just not true, and I think partof the reason I got inspired even...

...before Bra started. Talking to me aboutthe stupid deck was. I was playing ATP a lot myself and you know ATP Mirs are probably my leastfavorite mirror ever or one of them just because they feel it's either. You go first or you gussfirst, and that's what wiling you the game bright, as opposed to like reallymaking some outstanding play that they didn't see coming. It just doesn'thappen. No, like maybe early on. You could surprisepeople with like Zixagun type stuff, but I think that surprise factors kindof gone and also that kind of stuff is slowlygetting based out anyway sure. So so I was playing ATP, though, on theladder getting to my original thought and I hit of Lasepplon and, like youknow, he's never going to knock on my atp of the turn Igxso, I'm just goingto knock out his liepaline with ultimate ray, and then I knock outanother ble suffaon with brave late, and I win and- and you know this guy just straight upknocked out by ATP the turn ogx without much effort whatsoever. Rightand, I'mlike well, you know, I have a FRI pan of Yxashan I'll reach that stamf fromthe three, and maybe he won't knock out by his Osgon from zero energy et. Youknow Gosh Dary. He did LIK s like y this. I id Sayt this. That has to havesome merit. THAT'S TRU! That's what kind of led me down theSTRAPI hole. I I think pe Stepon baby is more fun because you got creamy lad.You Got Victini Prison Stars Fun, just as carding energy from your hand,is really fun and like the uncapped damage that you can get or yeah Y Yit's on, and I was on he ladder. The other day, if youwere watching thestream- and I was like- let's just BM and I like fire fire yeah, you Dow youget like twelve Eterg Aam- it's like that's so yeah like doing six hundreddamage that fricking rocks then and there's like bless maintenance. Ithink ultimately, why I think well. SEF on gx is better as it plays better offthe board Yeao. You always have more stuff going for you, and but one termwe talked about briefly in general for the podcast, and maybe this is worthexploring. An MORTAK is orcoror gx. It's been like a real superstar inthose dacks. It really is what actually makes them work sure, and I mean wewere talking about this too. We need to stay. We need to stop saying that wewere talking about t. We is see Tho stop talking before the podcast. Well,that's it s strictly business relationship fromnow. That's true! That's true! That's okay! Yeah! No! More! No! It's like!Okay, I won't even say wes. There's no power plant, our plan justisn't a card. That's in this matter game and I ver good right now. Ivreegood there's, caatic swells and mutudecks Mutu Malamardics, it's justnot a good. It doesn't really stop. Much of anything I mean Zassi ANDEX canplay without Dedenne very easily and I just doesn't really perform that.Well, maybe against a mutto thing, but like the Better Mu, tu counter s,probably Mimicu over a stadium and so yeah. You have these cards that arejust kind of coming out of the Woodworke, specifically Oricorio, whichis just a nice little extra consistency card, yeah yeah nice is really anunderstatement. INDECK like Welder Bas, dex as well, because they really needthat extra little push. I feel like to actually get their combose consistentlysure and it makes a significant difference. recards. You know who wouldhave thought that how was so good the end, Tur, Tierno Charin pick O poisonhop right right, I mean. But then you have like the flipside like Marny is a very good card. So Marni,combined with a knockout, is a lot of...

...decks. You know reset stamp to onestrateg right right. It's just thats harge insurance against that yeah. Ijust tried to get you to wiff that one little turner or you know, give themthat little space wher you're not quite able to set up the rerest of your board,and so I mean we look at towards winning list. It didn't play any recetstamp. So the only way he could disrupt her hand was with Marni and then justgetting that extra three cards like suddenly, you start Yourturin witheight cards instead of five and that's huge to be able to have a response.Yeah, it absolutely is so I don't now, maybe Orqora might evenbe worth exploring in other decks sure is making a significant impact, in myopinion, in these firedacks, so sure something perhaps worth testing. Idon't know, I guess it depends. I think it's probably best in decks that havecombos so Zashi could pro sashiin could almost certainly accommodate it in thelist, but it wouldn't be as worthwhile because it plays pretty well off O. basically othing, like you, don't eed alot to get going well and I find to that the ZASIAN board. I don't want tooverfill with things because you usually have you know your ATP and ifit doesn't get knocked out, that's just a bunch. Sitter for the rest of thegame usually have to Zasians, usually have a Geraci an orangaroo, and thenyou leave your last spot open for, like a DDENA Feo, an that kind of thing Iusually think of it. Does you have like two bench flex spots? You have the onesthat you're talking about ranger. I don't think its a given on a particulargame, itis sure for sure I find in probablyseventy percent of the Games, I'm going Arankor I mean ranger is good for sure,but I feel like sometimes you played to today nig down. Sometimes you know youplay. I don't know. I second Garat ye you plan Yu to Dena and you need tosave it for a feon or an apsole or something k right. It's, but it's likeabout two slots is what you have in my experience that can go ta. The SupportPokemon sure I work Orio, probably isn't necessarily one of those firstpecks hut, maybe we're trying. I could definitely see it apearing inother decks, though, like maybe abilities are, could accomedy Orcorio.I could definitely see that working moutu could maybe use it. You knowsimple stuff like that. I think Wilderdex W are really what benefit themost from it sure, because it lets don't get that extra push yeah any other decks that you'relooking at that are maybe under the radar that you either have tested and aliked or haven't tested and want to not to a huge extent. I don't not ahuge fan of the stalldexs right now, because I feel like Xaushin is a decentmatchup against them unless they really go super hard into the matchup, inwhich case stuff, like Wat's up on gx or peg Ron can start to pray on them.Yeah, I don't like Pikarom. I will say that out right, even though it performsdecently, it's just not a deck that I enjoy playing. I would rather play ATP if I wasplaying a tacteam or I'd rather play Tesepelon. If I'm looking to this sweet,fast, knockouts sure so Tue. I think I think really my toppics really come down to firedeks and Sausion, which is kind of what I'vebeen Sayingah quarter. Yeah. Absolutely so I think at thispoint we can open up the floor Riley. I think that was pretty good overview ofwhat what we got going on, at least in terms of what we're liking again. Thisis not thirs, not any recommendation fortournament play, because we wouldn't recommend that you go to anytournaments. I did say earlier in the cast that you know, maybe there's alocal tournament that you could hit up again. A lot of these statements have have kind of beenagainst like the large gatherings, so in our world that would be oregional orhigher, and so just keeping that in mind, you obviously have to have alittle bit of you know a life and you...

...have to you know, have some socialaspect to that life and so playing in aournament. I don't see as like a sin.A crime against humanity in terms of you know, passing on teses. Obviouslyyou still can and that and that events, but you know, don't be too crippled by by the virus that you just like, shutdown completely, because that's just not good for like mental health andright tbut large gatherings are no. The large gatherings are what you know. Wereally really strongly advise against so, but all that to say that yeah, thesethese are ptcgo suggestions, primarily, which is such a bizarre thing to say itis it is so, let's see what do we have in chat here?Do you both think that this format will be like worlds, O Thousandad, twelve ortwenty, two thousand eight, or to that Texto format, or the best xand format were Mut toDark Rie, Torack Yon Guardy Galletd respectively? Do you see ADP Austian being that kindof you know just just ster deck thatreally dominates that people either have to play or find a count? Er Two, I don't know if it's quite in the shere, I would say it's like an the aplus plus Tere, because I feel likethat. I feel like the best ex can hang with it. At least enough of the timethat it's not like you know, you don't Autto win a tournament by showing upWazasha N. if, if no one else is playing it, you know sure sure, like you can definitely getoverrun by Pikarom or Mutub or whatever, and you kind of saw that and YoureTring to report, like all sorts of decks, were hanging with you, but Daines, just like a little moreconsistent and a little stronger right, but not so much so like Guardi galedwas a perfect example of a deck that was insanely dominant and you just hadto play it or deck that exclusively beat it, and I don't think saustions like that. Sure sure I don't quite agree. I dothink at this point. It is 't es here deck now. That being said, there's still more toexplore about this format that should go without being said, so I think themore that we play at the more we'll find counters and the more well findways kind of exploit the strategy. I just am hesitant to say stere foranything when the other decks in, like the ATR can keep up so well with it. Ithink stear should be incredibly dominant and is a tur like kind ofSahing kind of is wel like in other ways. I think you know the pikarams andthe blacepalons and the you know. Whatever else is they allhang fine? It tbut they. Don't, though the think you know like they definitelydo kind of do, but they, but they really don't. It's like everything, hasto go right for Pikaram to hang with the CRO. Maybe isn't the best example,because thats that is a trash, but like I don't think it's trash it's just.It's obviously not Jash, but like that's just not where adps Astin islike everything has to go right for the Pekeron play. I guess it's like I thinkstere is just like it has to be on a completely different level for me tocall it as her, and I don't think Zashin is non a completely differentlevel. I think it's better. I think it'sbetter, but I don't think it's on a completely different level that, likeother guys, don't hang fair enough fair enough. Do you I mean you clearlybelieve that other decxs can hang to an extent yeah to an extent, but theretheyre like that one like if you play the matchup a hundred times like ATP'sgoing to win, I feel like every single matchup. At least you know sixty timeslike that's seriously, how I feel about...

...the deck where yes, Pekrham could win,but just over the course of you know many many games like you're, just notgoing to be there you're, just not going to be there that consistently ATPdoes what it wants to do every single game, and if you can't hang with that,then you just get blown out yeah. Maybe I guess it's like Sher, I consider likeit has to be it's and, like maybe that's just like my perspectvore fromseeing other card games metagames that just go, you know completely overrun ina way. Thet ATP has not done. I Bok Mon, but I think pokemon also like thedominance isn't as over in Pokemon. I guess becausethere's usually more viable decks at any given time SAM, so I don't knowsure sure- and I mean again- and this is like yeah you're coming from othercard games- I'm coming from POKOMANI. It's not really that much of a stretchfrom me to say that this is one of the most dominant decks that I've seen isdefinitely one of the most dominant ones on like the past year. That's forsure, oh for sure, the past year, but I'm thinking ten years like I can'tthink of, I can think of one other deck that I thought like should have wonevery single tournament that it was entered into and that was chandelour incities of Twendy. Ten whtand, that's about it, and maybe you know thosand anten. You could say magzone Yanmega though I didn't play in that format,but it just I'm trying I'm struggling to think of you know an ten years ofplaying. I haven't seen a deck that I just gravitate towards. that. Doeseverything it wants to do? Every single time, and that isimpossible to counter for most decks. You knowthere's not something that Pekeram can put in that just says. Okay, I ougt towin. You Know Ai. I take a positive matchup now to P it's it's that kind ofdeck like where it just it's so hard to counter yeah H. I do think I did think it's very goodthough I mean I would definitely put it like a tier, above all the other decks.I just like. I reserve UST here for, like being a certain kind of betterthan he other decks. You know fair enough it. Maybe it's more of a difference inlike verbige and and like diction than it is, like actual opinion on the decksure. To be honest, that's what actually assounding like as we'retalking yeah right like we're, both in agreance we're saying the same thingbut different ways. You know yeah for sure, yeah thesal, both are to say thisbecome a savantic topay. It totally has we're with you. There man we caught itwe caught up before we saw your message good, any other questions from the chat.We'd love to answer them. Somebody says here that garb in two thousand and seventeen, and that was a format that I played. You know if we're thinking about the NAIC tournament that just you know garbby I think of that tournament when I remember Trashlan Drampagarb, but Iended up playing Zorik Zorog Drampa in that tournament, and I felt like thathad the best like matchup spread, you flays oe Champon Seattle. Now I played it. I at Naic, in twentyokay, so andew ended up making top eight with the list and just it was Drampaga Drampa Zorac was,I felt you know kind of on pace with the trash lanch Dek yeah ouht say that, but like CASHLLITCalso got twenty out of twenty two out of thirty two or something in that dayto in's Seattle and also wont all the tournements Wel Yeah Ou, know ha the people backthen didn't test as much as I feel like, I feel like we could edto that safesavantics Tome. We have baby Busasian with jam, the Godit Real, that's Trus...

...ttrue, although I really did like those Arour d, Thats thin was ar more fun than Trafa.That is an objective truth. Oh for sure, if I was to ever revisit that format,you know the first thing I e Leagup is that arctek yeah, that's absolutelyeract! So orange rabbits ask what do you do ifyour opponent in Toronto is visibly sick, don't go to Toronto to start, and I honestly don't know what I woulddo in that situation. I don't know we have an advice. I don't know, would you publicly shamethem for endangering everyone? I would like request hand Sana tiser orgloms or something like yeah. I don't know dude it's. So it's so weird rightbecause you're like it's just tough, we can't N, I just figet scoop and leave manlike c y o is more important. Please afe guysif you are going to go to Toronto and they aren't canceled or Charlotte orwhatever this be safe. Guys, like I don't want to hear about. You knowmassive outbreak at Pokimon, regionals like it just be so horrible. Justplease don't die on us, your viewers, aure listeners. We need that Saveri catronsays Fhreefivek, like just startcoughing on everybody. No, no- and I don't want to take this like tooligtely, either because it is affecting a lot of people, but you know it's obviously fun to liketo keep things. You know a little bit light earted aswell, so sure sure I just want to make it clear like we. We don't make lightof the situation that being senand again, like a part ofthe reason were and Siver pocket brings up. A great point in the chat is likeeverybody gets sick after regil is already. You know. Why do it? Why wouldyou get sick after a regional during a pandeficarigt right right and that'sthat's? The thing too is like I noticed you know I hadn't been to a tournamentin a while and going to this going to this local. You know the cupon the weekend I like now I have this little like scratchy in the throat. Youknow you just wake up with a little sniffle, but it's like clearly not youknow the virus, because it's not the same symptoms and it hasn't been feweek or whatever, but it's just like yeah you're going to be around around people that you know aredifferent and are going to pass to different things. Just for the you know,because your different people, so you know being sick after regionals orafter events is, is always something that happens but be aware guys be safe out. There yeahand I think, that's probably the perfect Capston we can make to thisepisode. It's really just be safe, be cognizing up yourself and others. You know we all love, Pokemon and we'reall excited to play, but health and safety should always come multiple steps before playing pokomoncards. You know soright, so please keep that in mind. We really do recommendnot going to these large events right now. Don't Ilete yourself completely stay intouch with your friends, either like through stuff like discord orgoing to like small local things, but but really keep it close, and I don't think we can really drivethis point home enouvh we've said it multiple times over the course of the show, and we love you guys, man, we love youall for sure. We Really. We do appreciate you all in your support, sorry that we won't be at theseupcoming tournaments for a little bit here, but we will continue to the showand if things do end up getting canceled and we have to shift away frommetaphor casting just feel free, ot, tweet et us. We have some of our ownideas that will start to work on to keep things new and interesting for youguys inthey're just talking about th stuff on an ATP every week.

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