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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 2, Episode 9 · 1 year ago

2-8. Andrew's Mahomies

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are joined by their good friend Andrew Mahone for a jam packed episode ran by the dynamic trio! This episode covers passion, content creation, and self-love. You don't want to miss this super-episode!

What is up, everybody welcome back totag team, the POKOMON trading card games, premiere, podcasting, Doo, I'mjoind, to say by two very good friends of mine, both JW Creewall, who you knowand love, and someone, I think, is very familiar to as well Andrew Mahone guys.How are we doing today doing gray rily? I am pretty tired D,All right yeah we're trying to keep that energy yeahfor sure we are verythankful that you decided to agree to come on the show. It's just reallygreat, to chat with to chat with players. It's awesome tohear some. You know kind of backstories and different perspectives, and sowe're really thankful. What was I gonna say? No Ye H, I you guys are to my bestFriendi mean you could and it just like it. Just so would like reflect unteyour character and our friendships. Like ofw, I wasliterally in your wedding party. You know there's the least I candothere'Sha difference between work and play. You now glad to be here. I'm gladto be here right right- and this is this isdefinitely work that we're up to today. For sure Yeah Righti'll work no play.This is nothing like any other day that we talk, which is every single day right. Speaking of talking every singleday, you just showed us your mat, you're, Pretty Nice House the other day.How does it feel t like completely aside from Pokomon just be like movingaround and like kind of settling down a little doing things? Yeah I mean it'shad like a djfor a while. I feel like what you sayit was kind of like a djen foryoiof squatting, yeah. Well, squatting is not something that I am unfamiliarwith. I guess and yeah I mean, like I kind of beenfloating and drifting around for a long time you ever since I graduated college. Iactually, you know funny story of the year after I graduated college. Iactually like you know I squatded in a dorm room illegally Li. Am I lovely,Alma Mater. You know for an entire year free rent. You know just with mygirlfriend at the time you know theoretically had happened for legalpurposes. Yeah Yeran I had a job. Well, I had a job in town.I was a foot, a parttime photo journalist, you know so riht. I had ajob and I was trying to make ends meet and you know we were just you know some part of the time I wasliving it. My girlfriend's parents place part of the time I was likewatting in a dorm room. You know I mean and since then it' just been kind ofpopping around from apartment to apartment. I went back home and livewith my parents for a year or two, you know, and then you know I've beenliving in northeast Ohio for the last five years and now I'm thirty one yearsold. And finally, my life is starting to come together as a professional gamer. You know and- andthings are steady enough- that I was able to convince mortgage company to it Meu up in the LO.So that's pretty dope a while. I know you were a pretty nervous. I was wellokay, so the timeline you know kind of goes like this. You know, thankfullyNatali did did sign on with me, so we were able to use our combined incomesfor loan, so that was a big help, but I think about two years ago year and a ayear and a half ago I quit teaching so you're in a half go. I quit teaching toyou know t to pursue this career of content creation, and you know in thepartnership with fullgrup Games and that doesn't exactly look great. Youknow on you know as far as your work historyand things like that, you know it's not steady. You know I'm trying to convinceowner, ofpersis and stuff ar like Oh yeah. You know what have all thesedifferent sources of income they're like online a D and I don't really avethe bitts. You got to look at the bits, the bitch right. So actually, what was huge this yearand making it happen was that I needed to report my two thousand and nineteentaxes and I claimed everything so yeah you know so that was like. That's me,you know is is real. You know this is my real jobt's, not te side. Hustle,you know we put it all together and you know-and it looks pretty convincing- usually they like two years of history, but wewere able to get by with basically putting togetherthe two thousand and nineteen pertfolio and theyere Lik all right. That's fine,and you know between that and signing with Natali it worked out. It stilldoesn't feel real. I've been squatting and kind of moved around differentapartments for so long. That feel like I'm on vacation at someoneelse's house, but you know get there. I feel like I'm playing animal prossing,KINDOF and real life yeah in Reallif and e got Mor life. You got to go outand weed and reel life. Anima crossing is like way better. I think I don'tknow well, you can't hit your neighbors...

...with axes, usually that'Su Thats, truea you can't force anybody to move right. So it's been a lot of fun and I'mexcited about it overwhelming it away, because it's like wow. I have all thesereal grown responsibilities now, but it's also very exciting. So, what's Thescariest thing about moving out into a house like what are you worried aboutlike coronavirus? You know all this like economy stuff happening or are youjust kind of chilling? Do you feel confident there I I feel like yes, I mean I have concerned it awaybecause, obviously, like everybody, everybody has to kind of, you knowwonder about their own financial, security and future, and especiallybeing you know in the gaming industry, you're wondering okay, you know: How can we survive this? Certainly,these are trying economic times. Fortunately, the community, for you know at trickygym and if e fugrup Games has been extremely supportive and encouragingthroughout this entire thing and has really made me feel like we're going tobe able to to wheather this and and come out on the other side strongerthan we went into it. So I feel blessed and encouraged by the people around me.The tricky Jym community, the full grip squad here and- and I feel like I feel,like a sense of peace. Like you know, what at a certain point, worrying isnot going to, you know is not going to better my situation at all and just gotto continue kind of working and and doing the best that I can and andtrying to stay versatile as well, and that's something that is kind of been a constant property in my own kindof career here and content creation. Is that I'm trying to make sure that Idon't not have all my eggs in one basket actually have multiple baskets,as you know, and so long as I have enough baskets to draw fumb Wel,probably be okay and unfortunately, twitch has been very strong and verypromising. Lately, full grip has been very strong, very promising. You KnowYoutube Patreon, there's all these different kind of avidues, so it's like,even if one of those four things collapses. I still have three legs tostand on, so pretty pretty good, that's right! Absolutely! So, with that said, what's your concern? I don't want to,you know, make this so negative, but obviously you know Wat the Times thatwere in right now, it's a very trying time for artists. You know youmentioned gamers. What are your thoughts about? Pokemon,specifically, you know wath the world championships being canceled. This isone of the things I think the farthest out in my life. That's been impacted.You know, we've had looking at my schedule, like myorchstra concerts, for maybe the next month or two have been canceled, butnow we're looking into April or excuse me Ino August, and that's like thefarthest thing out of anything that I've seen and how does that affect You,knowing that information? How does that maybe affect your content? An whatyou're trying to produce the content is is very stressful to produce right now,because one of my favorite things to produce is tabletop content right solike having the full grip, weekly tournament, bringing people togethersitting down with another player and talking about, plays and creatingcontent. You know face to face over a tabletop game that is my favorite content to produceand that is kind of being like ripped out from under me. So, like I said you know that' just from under me, butI mean for everybody right so like, but that is that's kind of what I built mychannel on is really trying to. You know: Do this tabletop stuff and now,if I'm doing tabletop it's like pretty much Solodela, you know we're notmeeting or gathering in any kind of way. So that's tough and and is kind offorcing me to have to try and think outside the box of how to how to createstuff, how to create engaged contents and do that without being able to meet up withpeople which is tough and I'm already thinkinglike you know. What are we going to do for the next, the sense and all that Hto come out. You know sypically, we get together, you know and we do tabletopstuff. Now it's like a little bit. You know it's not it'snot good to be traveling, I mean it's. Actually, you know advising against thelow ot O Measo we're not going to be doing that. Obviously, as far astournaments go bigger things like that, I will say you know the going to regionals likeoften cups things like that, it's all extraordinarily stressful and puts a lot of wear in terror, notonly the realities. I was thinking about that today, like how I was youknow. We had discussed earlier this season about how s kind of like notfeeling anymore, think about quitting...

...and then Oos, then, all of a sudden,I'm feeling it again, then the seasons just over right and I just yeah itfeels in a way it's kind of relieving, even though it's like also sad, I don'tknow it's extremely sad, but it also I'm constantly kind of wrestling withthis pressure of you know I feel like I should be at events, because this is my profession. This is what I do right.Also since it is with my profession, is what I do. I need to make sure that allthe decisions that I'm making are financially viable. I need to make surethat I'm not just you know trying to go to an event, because I want to performwell, but because it's financially the best thing to do this is now my job.This is how I support a household and things like that. So you know all those questions and andpressures tha ove, like you know, which events do I go to do. I have to get myinvite for sure, because if I don't and like Dyou know I and fail, then that isa huge you know black mark. I read it so like exactlyso. I can'. I cannot fail right right, but I also have to get my invite, while,while being the most financially savvy about it, that I possibly can becauseit's my career right, so it's like all those stresses are all of a sudden outthe window, which is nice and honestly onestly gone for next year.To I don't have to worry about it right, axd, so next year the invite you knowwell, they haven't announced what what it'll be. But my initial impression isthat 'll be more or less similar to what this hear's invite is and there'sjust going to be a gigantdo worlds is kind of that was the impressionant from theannouncement for sure yeah. So you know all those stressers are gone and in away it's like. Okay, now I just get to focus on content creation and all thestressers of the season have kind of been lifted, which is a huge blessing in a way likeI'm very thankful for that, because I get to focus on on creation, though creating is hardernow than it used to be. So it has like a new set of challenges,but I'm not going to lie. A new set of challenges in some ways is refreshing,sometimes when you're, just in that like week to week, rind right, so soit's nice in that way. Obviously you know it's a horrible situation and I'mnot trying to make light of the the horrible things that are going onand the people that are affected, and it's obviously terrible. But you know, and and my hearts go out toyou know- my heart goes out to everybody who has been affected by it. You know, but as far as like you know,from the competitive season, I'm not heartbroken that the season is over in a way. It's just like. Okay, we'vebeen doing this for eight years. Having a season off outside of my control islike not bad youh O for sure. So it's interesting, though, because and I knowtag team not to th, maybe the same degree, but we have thought about thisas well. It's tournaments and our content kind ofinterplay right, there's that relationship between them andespecially you as a full time. contet creator you've mentioned thinking oflike new avenues to do stuff. Have you have any like develop thoughts orpromising ideas that you'd like to share it all for new content to create, in spite ofthe spite of the situation going on yeah yeah, it's really all still in in progress.Obviously, like I'm streaming a lot right now, you know, Ptcgo is like thethe thing. rightthere are some people doing different online types oftournaments, and things like that? You know the limilist tournament thatthey're hosting. I think that's a that's a solid idea, and you know somesort of organization like that. I think, would be very nice now, as I've been brainstorming aboutvarious things to do, I would love to create. You know some sort of online tournament series or somethinglike that. You know POKOMON trading card gameonline as a client is not very conducive to doing so, as there is nospectator mode. So how do we record these games because,like my mind, is entirely content creation? So I'm not just trying tohost a tournament. I want to present to tournament right right, so how do wepresent a tournament o completely digital tournaments and then not justpresent one, but it has to live up to my production standards as well, which are probably a little bit too high for myown gods, probably the Chiit it very much is because I'm aware thatyou could have you know everybody in the tournament screen cap theirown, youknow screen and you could it together...

...and then all of a sudden we got Oomwe're it. You know we're good. You could also do the same thing with skipecalls. You know I Gota, you know I got a Webcam, you got a web GAM and we playtabletop, but, like yes figuring out, how do we get at highproduction, watchable stream? That would make sense not justto the fans of the POKOMON trading card game, but to new players. Right is thatI feel like something that it feels so out of reach right now, so trying toyou know, push that onvelop and figure out. What can we do while not gettingtogether is is proven to be an extraordinarily challenging. You knowquestion and something that I'm still wrestling with yeah yeahthat's, fair,that's fair for sure I mean, especially once you add scaleability to it right,like the more people that are involved, especially in terms like a tournament,they're harder and hard to guess, to have something especially UF, somethingof quality right right and then it's like, if you do it like a wild, a widescale like the bigger the bigger the tournament. You knowyou're now asking like certain matches or pairings to like youknow, screen record and there's going to be inconsistencies. You know amongstvarious setups and computers and things like that and then and then also you know if you limit it to like. Ithink the more realistic idea is to have like an invite tournament that youthen present in a way right right, but then you need to you need to coordinate,say like keeping it real, reasonable. Eight people right have an eight personround rob and invite tournament. Then I need to coordinate for all e people tohave the exact same setup in the Zack same recording and have it be veryconsistent amongst you know all of the matches that we produce and it would bea gigantic endeavor, yeah yeah, and even with eight people rightW, eigt people, it would be a gigantic endevor. Yes, O absurd kind of whereI'm at right. Now, yes, even getting two people to coordinate their exactsetup is a little bit of a tap. Yes, it is yes, so I can't even get jeto put headpones on most. We, it messes with the Bun now right for sure, Andi'm team everybody's, getting a man,Butn n inthe pandemic, because we can't go to the barber. Are you in on that yeah I mean yeah, we go, we get the theflow, I mean. Yes, the flow, the filthy, Salad, yeah t wasn't goon ta call itthat, but yes, the flow, don't obviously it's like no shame November,just kind of expanded into andhe, maybe even longer it's theisolation flow for sure. That's right, yeah yeah, I mean, and who knows whathappens when we get out? You know it's like we could just shate Tis. Maybeit's stay. Maybe it sticks exactly you know, maybe it just endears itself tomyself and the world around me. NOWIT's go it's getting like a littlePersonan. Now dofyu thank eecting. Maybe the man bun histaken over. Maybe I am the Manbun hard to say, but I digress context. So you talk a lot Andrew about you knowkind of the quality that you want to get out of your streams. Out of youknow, tournaments that you would potentially you know present. How does that kind of productionquality influence just the way that you go about your everything like? How doesit? How does it affect your branding? How does it affect? I don't know justthe choices that you make on on equipment and gear, talk to us a littlebit about that your high production quality, because I think that'ssomething that's a little bit. I don't want to say different, like that's, notlike a putdown on anyone else, but I think you've definitely like raised thegame in terms of content creators for Pokemont, specifically on what it couldlook like. You know, t the ideal streat right. I think it's interesting becausewhen you say like high production quality, it's all a matter ofperspective right like well sure it's all a matter of like W and for Pokmon,I guess is what and who you're comparing yourself to and- and I guess,like you know in my you know in my experience by production, quality isnot merely high enough or where it needs to be, because I am I'm comparingmyself to you, know the producers and and the in the channels that I kind ofaspire to be like and the ones that I look up to you know I'm looking primarily at magic,the gathering right and I'm saying, like okay, you know as far as a gamegoes like theyre and I hope that you know Pokemon islooking at magically gathering as well and saying like okay, you know magicarena. The online client. First of all, that looks stunning. This looks amazinghartstone. This looks tunning. This looks amazing right and hopefully ourhonline client can be developed to a...

...point where it can. It can kind ofstand next to those I think you know, our game is good game design, Pokemon,game design, very good, and I think the game is enjoyable and has been foryears and I think the properties of the poklon trading cart game are extremelystrong, but as far as my own production quality goes, I'm looking you know atand like star city games and their table top productions that I spent alot of time looking at their productions and how they do their tabletop game play, and I love what they do, and a lot of my channel is trying totake inspiration from that and and trying to Pourt it into a pokemoncontext, and then you know, as far as like I've watched some podcast as well.I got the inspiration for my studio design for one of my my favoriteskateboarding podcast, the nine club, and I think that they do they don't dolive stuff. You know, I think, almost at all, they do all recorded podcastand th and they post produce them and things like that and but their, but thestudio laiit out of, though, was beautiful, and so I was like okay coollike this is awesome and, like I could take some infor. You know some ideasfrom that. I could take some ideas from star city games and just try to likerun them through the creative process and and and see you know what I end upcoming up with and running with, and I think it's been really cool to see inthe POKEMON trading card game. Like other other channels, you know risingup and and uping the game as well with their own production, and I know thatcertainly motivates me to continue trying to raise the bar and- and it's like thishealthy competition with all of us just trying to create more digestible, moreenjoyable content for the viewers, an the enkle of all of it is to createcontent, which is welcoming to new players. That is goingto bring New People into the game, and I think that that is probably one of mybiggest motivators for creating a high production content or high productionstream. Is that when you create something, that'swelcoming and it looks cared for and that there was lots of thought put intoit, it's immediantly attractive to somebody who might just be popping infor a second and then they might not know anything about. What's going on,but at least it's nice to look at and it sounds nice and wow okay, maybe Icould in the people or friendly. Maybe I could stick around here and seewhat's going on, because I've never seen something that looks like this orthat this looks. This looks like something that I could be a part of, soit's like that. That initial impression that immediate, you know reaction, Ithink, goes a long way and being in the POKEMON trading car game being soinvested into this community. That's got to be, I think us as content.Creators are primary goals to try and bring new people into the fold and growthe size of the game. So that you know so that we can continue doing what welove for for a very long time. Absolutely absolutely so. What wouldyou say Andrew? Is your Creator Motto, your Crito, your kind ofdirectional phrase or whatever that you use to maybe guide yourself as Yrasyou're, creating and as you're trying to improve that's interesting. I am always trying to do my own thing Ialways want to. I want to be a little bit off thebeaten Bat. I want to kind of like pave the way. I want to not follow trends, but I guess trensetand a way I don't want to you know I don't want to just ban wagonon something that someone else is doing. If it's a you know, if it's not in myvision of what I, what I think is a good idea so very much want. I takelots of inspiration from lots of different areas and not you know goingto try and hide that, but I definitely want to I want to. You know, create somethingnew. I want to create something. That's never been done before ore been youknow, do it in a way that is doitg in a way. That's not been done before right. So it's, it's always a matter of not not just you know regurgitatingsomething, but how do i? How do I represent something in a new like youknow sure, so, I'm just curious hearing you talk, youknow you have this very nuanced and eloquent take on content creation, anwhat it means to you. What kind of pushed you into that space right! Itfeels like, I feel, like you've, always pursued creative endeavors likethroughout your life like, but what made pokemon and POK on trading cardgame? That's going to be your career, that's going to be what you makecontent creation out of...

...it's crazy, all right yeah! I mean Iguess when I was Whel I was a teenager. I wasI'd, always been creating right and H. it's really all just coming togethernow, which kind of blows my mind but like now, I can kind of I could kind of weave it all into atale that makes sense now D and it all- and it all makes sense now that I'mhere, I'm like wow. This didn't just happened overnight, I'm actually, ifyou go all the way back, this started when I was like Twelveh. You know, and- and I grew up with this and I kind of a D it all came to be because this is you know, beingcreative and creating things and pokemon. These are Ben Passions of minefor forever, even if twitchsdreaming was not a thing or even if youtube wasnot a thing forever, you know I kind of have been on thisrojectory for a long time. So you know my biggest passions. Growing up werewere POKEMON and skateboarding. Those two were like the the biggest thingsand running and and I created contents when I wasin high school that had to do with running and skateboarding. Those werethe things I used to make DVDs every year. I would film videos for my crosscountry teams and my track teams, and I would film and edit DVDs that kind ofyou know followed our seasons and and different races, and things like thatand- and I would sell t et for like five bucks- a pop at the end of theseason- and I would I would hustle I'd- make some money you know, but it was alot of work. I worked old season to do that right and like hoursa hours andhours of editing, you know, and I would make like at the end of the season,everybody would buy one and I make like two hundred fifty bucks I', like God,that's a Saso like you know, and, and I ended up making askateboarding video with me and all my friends, and you know we worked on thatfor years. It took like three or four years and and my local skate shop youknow helped me produce it like he. He encouraged me to really you knowpursue this thing. I talked about the fact me and my friends were filming avideo for a long time and he was like you know what I'll throw you releaseparty I'll, sell your video at the store I'll give you some footage fromyou know for me, and some of the skaters for you to like you know me andsome of the other sponsor skaters to use in your video. If you really makethis a thing, so I was like. Oh my gos, you know he basically put me on andlike helped me produce this video that I had a premiere for it was super sick.You know they're, like thirty people showed up in the skate shop. We allhuddled in and put the DVD on and watched it and like two thousand andseven and- and this is the this- is the crap thatI was doing. You know as a sixteen and seventeen year old. You know throwingpremier parties for skatepoarted, video and stuff like that and uploadingvideos to youtube of. You know me skating to like emo songs and all sortsof all sorts of stuff. You know and then so like when my parents were likeyou're going to college and I was like I would rather just kind of be aSCAPERAT. You know they were like no and you know so like that's. That'sfine. One of my my dad is my dad's a doctor and his work is work.Other big doctor, yeah, he's kind of Hes, like vice president of the Kennedy,Creaker Institute, so like you, which is a brain research department at JohnsHopkins like o rat it it's nuts right so like this job, his job was going topay for half my college. You know what I mean: That's just one of the perks hehas of like his workplace and Hewas. Just like you're going like. I don'tcare what you do but you're going. You know because, like he he had worked.You know his life so that I could go like that was like you know so, hew'slike you're going. I don't care, you're, just Goinna, U Go and you learn and youand you grow up, and then you do whatever you want. My Dad's always beenextremely encouraging. Both my parents have, but it was. He was very they're,very principle that, like you're going, I was like okay, sir, so I went and Ioriginally was like all right will do communication arts and, as I wasgetting into communication arts I was like this- is all having to do with likevery itwas, against everything that I wasvery do with yourself, produce it myself. Now, all of a sudden, I'm inlike news rooms like mockup news rooms, run in switchers and stuff and lookwith other people how to work with other people. I was like no, no so thenI switch to an art in technology degree and basically they let me do whatever Iwanted. So I was like. That's do you know, but I had to kind of get it? UNow I had to get a degree in something, so I got it in photography and youthat's how I know how to light a set and then you know I went on to become apooter journalist and art teacher and then eventually stumbled all thewhilewhen. I, when I graduated college,...

I started playing pokemon competitivelybecause I was done with running and I was creating during college, but I wascreating stuff that was considered fine art, which was very strange and, unlikeanything, I'd ever done before I. Basically when i Graduated College, Iknew how to do nothing, but I knew how to create. Have you ever showed thoselike college aero photos off not often thos, they're, crazy, terethey're funky,I mean they are like intended to hang in museums or something is like whatthey're supposed to do. You know, so it was weird to create like that for along time, but it did. It was formative, though I learned- and I grew up. I youknow I learned a lot and and then going into photo journalism was extremelydifferent because I was creating during college, this art that basically had nopurpose other than to communicate and be creative and then hopped into theworkplace. And now I have a job where I have to work and be creative, but Ihave a I have a bision right, which is to communicate so like now. I'm reallystarting to get into the communication part of like art and then, like youknow that was formative and then you know, being an art teacher. I learned awhole different set of skeills Hota talk at Nauseam for hours on end. Youknow and things like that and hold the floor and gain attention. You know whatI mean like these. Are Things hit? Learn you know how to instruct and andthen, as I was doing all of that you know Y my photo journalism, my becomingan art teacher- I was you know: fallowing love with e pokemon tradingcard game and the competitive scene, and I don't really do anything casuallyso like I made it my mission to get as good as that as I possibly could andthen and then you know, Opportunity kind ofstruck in two thousand and seventeen and it all really started to cometogether. Yeah Yeah. Let's talk about that opportunity, so first was dyriumsand kind of talk us through how that materialized- and you know where you went, I meanobviously from there- went to full grip but kind of talk us through thatprocess of your various. I O know. What would you call it sponsors throughoutthe time yeah you've been creating yeah so, like I guess the very first thing it wasactually two thousand and fifteen, which was like Poka beach right. So,like one oregional championship, Pokabeec wrote up, you know reached outto me and offered me a article writing position, and that was actually mydream. I was like. Oh we've got it Weri Worrin because, like I had grown upreading articles and that's basically what I did to learn how to play- and Iwas like this- is the end nd game of being a professional puckabout Blaer-can make a hundred dollars to write four thusand words. Yeah right sign meso like that in two thousand and fifteen, that was like the dream cometrue and then you know continued on with you know, with the writing Gig fora long time and then eventually, I think Altar Reality Games was going tocreate the first pro Pokamon team right. That was sponsored and things like that,and you know things that had previously seemed like a joke in the POKAONtrading card game, and I submitted my apteclate application to alter realityand they, you know, are actually right down thestreet here and ACTR. You Know Theyre in Madina Ohio and they accepted me Onothe team. I did that for a while, which, as like you know interesting in its ownway and then and then in two thousand and seventeenthe summer, I got top Aitat, the North America International Championships andDarium who was like another card shop and he's like a mega viral youtuber reached out to me. It was like hey. Youthought about trading your own youtube channel. I would like you to work forme and, like run a competitive youtube channel, so I you know, gave up Arg and hop ships to go over toDariams and we work together for about a year and a half or so, and itwas working with Dariam was amazing, I mean I'll have to say it was absolutelyincredible because he here is this, like take everything thatI told you about me growing up and being like an independent contentcreator ispiring to do all that. I pretty much lost all of that throughout,like trying to chug through the system of being like a photo journalist andbeing a teacher right, a all that like do it yourself, you know all thatcreativity and pretty much been like scrubbed off me at that point, and nowI'm just trying to you know fit myself into the machine somehow. So I couldalso live my life right and then I met Darium. Who is this guy? Who justdoesn't answer to anybody? He lives. He lives just at his house with his withhis fiance it s. It is kid and they and they just have their own lifetogether, and he supports himself entirely with his content, and I waslike what you know you are like a you...

...know: a vibral Youtube Ird, you makeyour own way in life and you don't have a job. This is your job. Your job isthat you, you make Internet money. How do you do that? So I was like that'sinsane, so I just like worked with Dariam for a year and ahalf it just soaked everything I could while teaching Myeusa. I would like tteach during the day, andtan like soap, information from Darium at night andjust tried to like learn everything that could about what he did, how helived, how he managed his finances, how we, how we, you know, was engaging and howhe how he lived his online life, and I found that absolutely fascinating andand a little you know. After a while, the H, his virality on youtube wasstarting to wane a little bit. He couldn't afford to to pay US and stuff so like so, we kind of went our separate ways.We still have a working relationship. You know I still love the Guy, but butyeah we I professionally. We went on our separate ways and I approached Jamison full grup games in the fall of two thousand andeighteen and it was like on my last leg teaching and was like I'm doing. I hadburned myself out in that year and a half or so that I dithat year firs, youknow between year and year and a half or so hat. I work for Dary and Icompletely burnt myself out oflike teaching, because I was going tograduate school for Special Ritation to so like I was just doing too much and Iwas ready to throw in the towel teaching and I confronted Jameson andJamieson basically was like hey man. Just you can work here. You could dosome videos like on the clock but you're going to have to hustle the shopto like help us make ends meet and I was like cool yeah. You know and I tooka pay cut. You know for my teaching job till I go work at full GRUP and you know.Basically, it was like that was my kind of step out of the box and then, afteralmost to less than a year being at full grip, Jamiswon was like yeah, youdon't need to work in the shop anymore. Just just help us, you know, help usself cards and we're good, and that was it so then I was like that was like themillical cores cut, and now it's just like a real sponsorship that pays asalary, and my job is to help promote this store that I love because all ofmy homies working here so like it's, just a dream come true and and when I'mlike, you know advocating for full grip. I you know it's not just I'm advocatingfor some business because they send me a check. It's like I'm advocating forthis. Is your friend believe, but these are my friends. These are. These arethe people that I love and care about? This is my family now and, and it feels very real and it's verysatisfying and and I'm extremely blessed and thankful for he- Thesituation that I'm in now. It's awesome what I mean of that story. What would youhave said was your like happiest time. You know what was thelike biggest thing: was it finally getting like to work for deriums, orwas it getting to work for full grip? Was it getting your? You know, salarynegotiation done or like what was the happiest moment of this whole process.Javison told me that I didn't have to work in the shop anymore yeah. That wasit. That was it I mean that was like that was pure coition yeah. That was it.That was everything that we had worked for. It was just like this is I mean mywhole life? I had wanted to be like a you know like a professionalskateboarder or something like that or I'd W. I wanted to be able to make aliving just doing what I love to do and how I come to work every day, and Ijust do what I love to do and it has it is stressful thatly could attestd thatI I come home almost ver sinple night, just like banging my head against thewall like about various things that I'v You know, various things that I findfrustrating or that I struck, because I stress myself out is y. it's the majorthing n, because I have I have like absurdly high goals for myself andbasically- and I don't ever give myself a break, but I think that that'sprobably what it takes to be able to end up doing what I do anyway. So likethat's, that's just fine for sure you know. So I want to go back a little bitto Dario you darium. We've talked a lot about darium and his virality, and youknow he has a real mind for like the Internet world, I've heard you say manytimes. Yes, he is actually more tapped into the Internet than anybody. I'veever meright for sure for sure. So I want to know specifically if you couldchoose like your top three issh lessons from Dariam. What would those be youabsorbed so much from him? What's the tap three, his big thing...

...and he id he did a. He was amazing at this something o thatI would aspire it. It's not I've. Seen Dariam said this and KC nine tat. Hisalso said this another gigantic Yutuba right, but it as just like. Don't do second ticks right. Don't dosecond takes you just hit Recorde N, you start going and that's it and yourJe Yor. I with that right. I son't abide by that Buyeah, but I try as hardas I can I'm too much of a perfectionist and it probably holds meback, but people like Darium and people like Casy, nne, tat they honestly thereI could. I could attest to the fact that has, as I recorded audio for likesix hours today it was horrible. I recorded audio for six hours today,trying to get ten minutes. Okay, ten minutes of Bondyo like what for a videodude. That's that's exactly my personality to I understand so, like, oh, my God right so like I sometimes itdoesn't matter. Is that thing it just doesn't matter you don't need things,don't need to be perfect when you're, there is no such thing as perfect.Right like what is perfect right. So, like his kind of embracing of this, youknow of his own self and the content is him. He is the content right with allof his. You know imperfections and personality and flayers, and all ofthat that is the content right. So having that that mindset of like thecontent, doesn't need to be this, I am the content. This is the content, youknow whatever, with all the mistakes and the errors and the whatever and thelive didn' feel of it right. That is the content so like that was a majorthing. He would he would hound me when I would, when I would hand him thememory card, because he used to do the editing I used to literally just walkover, and I press record and I' do a video clip and I'd give him the SD cardand he would edit it and up it to youtube right and he would get. Hewould hound me if I gave him a tst card and I was like all right. brothe ther's,like a few, takes on there yus take three e like what Ayou Ti. There'sthree takes eolike. That was a huge, huge, huge lesson. Another big thing Ilearned from him was to live within. Tyour means rightand that actually is gigantic. As far as content creators go because a lot ofcontent creators make it big and then they go by a big house move out toCalifornia. They do you know there is these things you hit a million subs,you moved to California. These are the kinds of things that you do. Rights and a lot of people will kind of see thetrend going up and they're like okay. You know views are good, you know,Adrav is good. Things are good. I can afford this now. I can afford this now,whereas, like Darium lives, an extremely modest life in northeast Ohio,his bills are very few and he makes way more money than he needs to live, buthe saves it. You know, and he saves it for when times are bad or for when youknow he may need it. He builds himself an EST decg that he could basicallylive off of for years at a time if he had to you know, and that also allowshim not only to not only to to have security in being his own boss.It also allows him to take breaks right, which is which is probably my thirdthing right is to take breaks now. Dariam will is the kind of person whowill like dive into a project and he'll grinding grindind, grindy grindid grindand like be obsessed with the project for for months and months and monthsand months, and then he'll take some time off and he'll just he'll just goand he'll retreat and he'll. You know and he'll give himself a mental breakfor a while and then he'll come back to the grind, and I think that that isprobably one of the biggest things about being a content. Creator is to give yourselfsome mental space. Give yourself breaks personally, have committed to onlystreaming five days a week or working five days a week, because I'm abeliever in that as well that I need to give myself those two days to mentallyrefresh so that I can come back and bring my hay game back on Monday,instead of just running myself into the ground seven days a week and being apart of the POKEMON trading card game Seeng. Fortunately, I am able to dothat, and I know that many other streamers and many other games are notable to do that and we'll just dream ten hours a day, twelve hours a day.You know seven days a week and that's just it and that's what they have to doin order to remain relevantat. So that to me sounds like a a nightbear, andyou know- and I think that taking breaks is something if you, if you wantto be a longtime content creator, you have to know when to say when and whento take care of yourself, which is something that I have also learned fromhim. So Co yeah. Those are awesome,...

...tenants, reall, good course for another another thing, anotherthing so of course od I lea because there's million there's like no, I meankeep them rolling as much Bo like one of his one of his other biggest thingswith, and he actually didn't think I was cut out for it, which, which ishilarious when Whet Daryam and I met he didn't think I was cut out for thecontent creation because he thought I was too much of a softy right. He kindof intentionally prodded me impressed my buttons right in ways that he knewhe would get to me. So he kind of like ye kind of intentionally did that tokind of like test me out right to see. If I I was cut out for the Internet,life and and one thing that Darium does extremely well, he doesn't let negativecomments get to him. He doesn't get you tube comments, get to an he doesn't lettrolls get to him or anything like that, and that was something that he alsotried to. You know tried to drill into me. Early on was that you need to beconfident in yourself you're, the one with the camera. U They're therewatching you like. Who Cares what anybody has to say? If it's allpositive forget them they're going to be those kinds of people? You know moveon and focus on yourself in the community that cares about. You don'tfocus on the negativity and he is extremely good at doing that. So there's also a big thing for sure insane. So you talked about as well. Playingpokemon sort of out of college is when you came into it that feels kind oflike a a late stage of life to pick up pokemon yeaand, a first youv been AOIfan forever. You played Red and blue that ar still your favorite games s toeveryone else's Chilgren. So, like ten water, what have you also call outas well, though other games that have this really high production value andits like much easier to draw other people in so with Pokemon? Having thatabsent? What kind of drew you in or was there a piece of content or some sortof avenue that drew you to it? It's hilarious. I was drawn into Pokomon just becauseit's the world's biggest franchise yeah. I guess you know that probably helped. I could tell youit was nobody's content brought me in that's for sure. Arinto Pokomon was the fact that Icould go to Wolbarand by a theme deck and there were Pokemon on. You know onthe theme nexks that I knew and liked right so like I was already a fan ofthe franchise and I think that's. If people get into Pokemon, that's usuallyhow they're getting into Pokemon is because they like the franchise andwhen you talk about you, know getting into the trading card game, you got tokind of you start with the franchise. You probably a fan of the franchise.Now, how did you trickle down and find your way into this Nich community overhere? The TCG, because theyeare obvious they're, even bigger, you knowumbrellas within the franchise and there's the the pokomango over here.There's like the video game over here and then Il down here, ther corlittlecorner. You know, we've got the trading car game. Now I had a been a fan of thePUCKMUN trading card game for a while, I used to bring my cards to high SCO y.The time I was a senior in high school. I was confident enough to bring mypokemon cards to high school and play during breakfast. I did not care whatanybody had to think about me. I was becoming my own man and you know,wasn't you know I was single. I didn't have a girlfriend or anything like that.Nor did I care about impressing anybody. I was just you know, doing my own thing,living my own life and started to really embrace that. As a part of who Iwas in college. I was very much into the video game because I would travelto events and things like that. You know for cross country and track and Ineeded something to be able to do on the long bus rides and things like that and the nintendo Ds pokemom Pearl.Those were the things that I did. I logged, like you know, between fivehundred and a thousand hours into my Pokmont parol game, then the firstpokem on official event that I ever that I ever attended was a VGC regional,actually, where I finished in the top thirty two there ye go yeah but butthen that kind of, like you know, was my my hook in and then you know gotinto the PUK bought a theme deck with my girlfriend of the time we boughttheme decks. We started battling them. Her theme deck wooked, my theme deckevery time, so I started looking online about what cards could. I are good thatI could put into my umbryon theme deck so that it could be her sbeon themedeck and I believe I probably bought like some tyranitar primes, becausethat's about what was out in two thousand and eleven right, that's right!Dude I bought Someti O broken, and I already I already owned one tiranitarprime. I already owned one time: Igo N...

...just needed three monthsbecause. Iwould just like be at Walmart and I would randomly by packs you know justbecause, like throughout college, because I still had a collection and Iliked cards. You know I just Dil', no anthing Abou, W Sathesbon theme, DeckWhoope, the umrion theme, Dack Thasbeo, as just a stronger card yeah. That'sunfortunate though it was unfortunate riht. So it was wrong, so I had to buythe TIRADATARS and when I put the Tirana tars in you, K, ow toballows Titeam do a and then you know and then eventually I found my way: Ot sixPrizescom, which is ere. I was like. Okay people play this game and they'recompetitive about it. You know- and this is about the same time- you knowthat I graduated college, so I had stopped running competitively andneeded something competitive to do to fill that void right so yeah. It'spretty cool, though, that you kind of talk about the evolution of o the gameand content to where you started with online, maybe forums,maybe articles, and it's just only in the last two or three years where thisvideo content, his really escalated to the point that we are now are you kindof seeing that this trajectory is very exciting to you? Do you think thatwe're kind of going to always be in this enclosed bubble that isn't goingto expand or like do you think the rapid expansion is something that wecan kind of count on as a game? So I guess, like clarify, what do youmean by expansion of whats? What do e you of the video constant like? Whatare you talking about yeah, I mean just anything in general, like e theaudience the creators like. Is that something that we think well, our youthink specifically will expand and grow in the future. Obviously, there's going to be someexpansion Butrit at the same at the same rate like are you hopeful for thefuture of the game and the audience? Yes, yes or else you know, I would havea harder time doing. What I do like, I think, like I'm always hopeful, but I'mnot counting on there being some sort of balloon of you know viewership orsome sort of balloon of an audience. Nor do I care you know Idon't. I don't need there to be thousands of people watching thePOKAMON trading card game wileline in order to feel like were successful as a community. That's just I don't. I do not carepersonally, and I think it's a you know it's a Nich thing but like whatencourages me is that, like you go to you know, I love skateboarding.Skateboard is one of my favorite things. Skateboardit just became an Olympicsport right, but one of the yoakw all ip the Olympics. You know they're movedto next year, but I mean like in two thousand and twenty it was going to bea summer Olympic port. So, like you know, but but skateboarding kind ofhas always been this alternative culture thing, that's just what it isand if you go to like thrasher on Youtube or the barricks like two of thebiggest you know, skateboarding things you know the average video on thrashergets between like sixtyhsand and maybe a hundred thousand views. That's justlike that's skateboarding, like all of skateboarding yeah gets that many. Iwould have thought you know. No, it's alternative culture, that's just whatit is. It's a Nich audience for a very specific audience, but they create thisinsanely high production for relatively low viewership right. All thingsconsidered, and it's because the people who are indiscating are Tionat anddriven and they love it. It's not about the money right, it's about they're,doing what they love to do so. I've take. That is informed a lot of what Ido and a lot about how I feel about the POKOMON training card game and I lovecarts. I love the POKMONT training card game. I think this game is great, Ibelieve in it. It's and- and I think that the act of playing a table topgame with somebody is something that I inherently believe in and yeah, and I think that it will alwaysbe a Nich thing it will. It will never be as big as some other things that are out there,but there will always be that I do firmly believe a community that lovestable top games and I think that there will always be a community there forthe Punkmon training card game as long as it continues to to go, and I think that I think I'mconfident that it will continue to grow as a game at this point. So I'm thirtyone years old, the POKEMON training card game has been around for twentyyears, strong Lhet's, twenty more. You know, I thinkthat that's I think that it's headed in a gooddirection and we'll continue to do so. My hope is, that is that the online client will bedeveloped in a way that shows the extensive love and care there's alreadyput into the game, but that the right developers are brought in to show thatsame care to thes series that we all we...

...all have as well and- and I think thatthat will certainly help with broadening the audience and bringingnew players into the fold, because getting into a digital game isextremely easy, where getting into a table. Top game will always be a nichthing, tbut its harder to understand and because it's a little bit harder tounderstand. That is part of what just keeps it always in Ich thing, butgetting into a new video game. You know people get into to video games all thetime. It's very easy things are very, very easy to digest.We livited digital culture these days. So I think if we want to grow the gameand have it continued to inpat expand we're going to have to you know thefranchise is going to have to invest heapily into making that a reality. Soso what I'm hearing is that you want the Olympic old metal for pokemonttrading, gards yeah, I mean like okay, so like I do believe that likebecause this is a big thing like you know, kind of I compare Poka Monoskateboarding a lot because they feel similar to me, but there was a big kindof there's big. I guess controversacontroversy, but kind of most controversy, Wasin theskateboarding community, about whether or not it should be an Olympic sportright, rbecause feetboarding has a culture is caterculture so like by so.If you go into the mainstream of the Olympics, then you're no longer counterculture. That's it right or that like. How could you possibly judgeskateboarding in a just way right and on an objective level, because it'severybody's, unique Ecaus peporting is a lifestyle right yeah, it's about thelifestyle. How could you judge? How could you just assess a number to andright, but certainly there are competitions and things like that, and you know- and I feel the saime wayabout pokemon. So for me, when it's like, when the competitions are gone,which they are right now, I am not heartbroken because it's about thelifestyle right. It's that's what this is about. It's about the lifestyle 'sabout playing the game on the tabletop with your friends. That's what pokawansabout so who cares? The competitions are gone for a little while that's fine,that's not what the Games about right. The game is about the lifestyle of aplaying a table, talk game with your friends and and so on and so forth agetting to enjoy competition with with one another. So, though, I do hope thatpokemon makes it to that. That level of you know of being big enough, that thatmore people are able to be brought into the fold and enjoy this competition.You know, I hope that the audience grows and that our content is able togrow as well a D we are able to grow the game. It's always going to be. Mygoal is to grow the game, sure S, but but ultimately you know. I don't really. You know care if itgets that big s. Who Cares EA right now, and you can't you can't stress aboutsomething, that's out of your no. Nor will I you know I'm going to keep doingthe best job that I can trying to. You know, communicate my love of the gameand spread the love of the game to other people, because that's what makesme happy, but ultimately you know if it's just if my channel and all of thisstays the same size, and I do it for twenty years sure you know. I know that I I knowthat I will have communicated the love of the game to a number of people andthey got something out of it and that's all that matters yeah absolutely sothen I mean continuing on this train of thought. then. What's the future I meanis the future twenty more years of Pokemon Andre Maone sitting behind adesk in front of all his merch streaming. You know five days a weeklike what is the future for you, that's good question. I aske myselfthat all the time, something something that I have consistently consistent property of my life is thatevery theory, every three years I've never been able to predict where Iwould be three years from that right. It's always been, there's beensomething that comes up and changes drastically: mytroject sere or thetrajectory of what I'm doing right now. This is the most confident that I'veever been that this you know, content creation is where I will be. You knowgoing forward. I was talking to forget. I was talking to about this. Maybe itwas maybe it was no s his matt. I was talking o bod price about this theother day as he was helping me move stuff into our into our house. You know he's like you know, what's thefuture, what if Pokemon dies? What, if, like you know what, if this, what ifthat at this point, I am very confident that the skills that I have developedas a content producer ar are able to be projected onto otherthings. At this point, my resume of video production and streaming andusing multiple cameras and lighting, and all of that is well documented, andyou know I could probably take these skills thatI have really homed in over the last...

...few years. Then I could take them toother efforts if I needed to but but the hope is that that I never needto. I mean my goal is to keep honing these efforts into this same thing andto make a you know. I think about this, like whatI'm going to look back in twenty years and what is going to be my life's work. A lot of it is fleeting,it's just it's life it just you do it and then it's gone, you don't get tohold it in your hand, like I made this, it's just is digital exists where inthe cloud, this is odd right. You know it exists somewhere on googlesservers or on Amazon servers. Maybe you know if you clipped it and only aftersixty days, then a lot of it goes. It's just like this very odd thing and I think right now, I'm in a process of justliving. You Know Day by day year by year, you know, month by month and justsaying like okay. This is what we're doing. Eventually, I need to get to thepoint where I start and I just moved into a house, I'm trying to establishmyself eventually, I'm going to want to start a family, but I'm going to alsohave to start kind of creating that nest egg. ForMyself, where I have like some savings and things like that to where, if Iwant to expand onto other projects, I can or if I want to you, knoweventually retire. I certainly do not want to stream until I die. You know,like I mean that's kind of a grim thing to think about, but there's noretirement plan for twitst dreaming and so, like you know, there's thateventually I will have to create a you know some sort of foral Onek and startto really. You know be principled about what I need to do as far as to likereally live off this, but for the time being, my job is to is to create content,share the love of the game and help fullgrop game sell carts. That issomething that I've see myself doing for a long time as long as fogup Games is here as longas the POKEMON training part game is here, I could see myself being in thatstreaming marketing position for a long time. You know because it'sbasically an advertising position in a way. It's an it's an advertisingposition like I would be advertising anything at Al. You know for any otherbusiness, except the differences that you know. I know and love this business.I work for a small business. You know basically advertising for a smallbusiness which you know when you put it that way. That seems like a morereasonable life career than the a Oe my cards, yeah yeah. You know you know what I'm talking to like my doctor. You know they askd me what Ido. I fway you know I advertise for a small business. You know, which certainly is more digestible andnormal to your average person, so there yougo- I could see myself doing thatfor a while. You know, but if, if things change in ten years andthere's no more pokemon or you know, maybe my skills developed to a pointwhere my skills are needed elsewhere and Iget an opportunity that I can't pass up. I don't necessarily think that that'sgoing to be a thing, but maybe you just can't know C, that's so long from now.How could I possibly know you know in talking with Jamieson me and Jamesonare very driven and have a shared vision of what full group Games can beand right now, our minds and our efforts are completely locked in totrying to make that a you know a reality. So my job and one of mymissions right now, is to try and make full GRUP games this. You know this this great card store that provides anamazing service to the community so and that also will help the game grow.Hopefully, so it's awesome. So it's super obvious that you're verypassionate about everything that you do and that extens beyond content and intoeven like full grip and developing them as a company. What would you recommendto someone who feels like they're in a ret right now and they're not doingsomething that they're passionate about use? You jumped off that cliff cro, yousay to someone else is jumping off the click cliff the right move. Is theresome steps? They should take yeah calculating their risk. Yeah! That's agood question! Riley, it's Hilarious, because I don't thinkthat I ever really calculated the risk and I think, like with the way thatI've always been, is like Bat Ching to I kind of just like hop in both feetand just like. Let's go dude like we're. Just you know we're down or down, let'sjust plus us, do it right and I'll make it work. However, I need to make itwork. That's a that's a really good question,because for years...

...you know I was I was teaching and Hanan.I was happy teaching, but I didn't know I did. I was in a way yeah. Yeah I could have, I could havebeen a teacher and I could have been happy doing what I do. I was unhappyworking for the system and Wert constantly held back by the system and- and that was extraordinarilyfrustrating to me, but I think that I think that is like okay. How do youknow that you need to make a major change in your life and pursuesomething that you're passionate about? You know how everybody's situations aredifferent. You know, I've been I've been fortunateenough that I'm a thirty one year old man with no kids, no family, no wife,you know the only person I got to take care ofis myself so for the most part I could just do whatever I wanted to do, and Ididn't have to answer to anybody. So other people's and you know otherpeople, you know if you got, you got a situation. You know you've gotpriorities number one two and you got your your, your wife, your kids, your husband, youknow whatever you family got to take care of. First, so, like some peopleare just going to have to do what they need to do in order to make sure thatthey are taking care of their families, and things like that like and that'sthat's certainly reasonable but like as far as if you have the opportunity right andyou don't have any anything holding you back. If the only thing hold you backis yourself, you know, then, who cares just just pursue it? I mean because,like t at the end of the day, life is just what you make it. You know thereis no grand scheme or rules or rigid set of things that you have to do. OtRajectory, like we're kind of taught, you know, you're going to go to collegeyou're, going to get a career you're going to start a for Oonek, and thenyou know you're going to retire, and this is the things that's going tothat's going to happen in your life. But that's just not true. I mean youcould just you could actually do whatever you want. You can make a hugeleft hurn if you want to and just go Ouf that way, if you, if you want to it,you know I mean no Wuls. Actually the go. Stop you like physically hold youback so like you could do whatever you want to do in your life. You just got to make ithappen and in order to make a career out of something that you're passionateabout, you have to be obsessed with it, and that is the that is the short of it. You have toadd. Is that what the book ten hosand hour you know or something like that:its kind of crap but yeah, but basically that there's a good idea,yeah, it's a good idea, but it's not true. You know whatever I don't knowten houzand hours. How long is that, but like were outlier? What about that?Is that outliers, O Liars is kind of CRAPPD to but but ipoint the coreconcepts. Fommo concept is that you have to be obsessed yeah, you do youhave to be obsessed with what you want to do in order to make it happen. Youcan't just be like, oh well, I kind of like this right. You know not. You gotto be obsessed with it and for me personally, like I said, likelooking back on the things that I have been you know obsessed with since ateenager. It is all kind of led me to hear so my life wasn't this like. Oh, Iquit my teaching job when you it's about how you portray, I quit myteaching job made. This crazy left turn and became a professional Gamer N. Ikind of have been developing this skedof the set of skills to be thiscontent creator, my entire life and realize what I was capable of a few years ago. We and it sounds likey know that realization it sounds like right place right time with the rightpreparation, yeah rigten go, I think right and you can just take that andexpound on that in any situation. You know, because you were given thesegreat opportunities. I don't even you know you would say that deriumis comingahead and fulgrip like great opportunities, but at that same timeyou took those opportunities and you ran as fast as you possibly could withthem. Yeah I mean, like you got ta it's exactly. You got to recognizeopportunity what it's there right and you got to shoot your shot. What it'sthere like the relationship with Darium didn't come out of nowhaere like I usedto go to Dariam shop and sort Fulk, and it talk with him like all the time right, for there was anentire summer that entire summer, where I got top bated nats that entire summer,so I was a teacher. I was hustling at the car shop just trying to make youknow like ten bucks an hour. You know under the table. You know sort bookthat juce because, like that's just I was just hustling, but then you know wegrew that relationship and then we, you know we kept our eyes open foropportunities and things like that and that you know so keeping your eyes openfor opportunities is important. You know I confronted Jameson a foker and Iwas like Abra want to put my job at up. You know, and you know he didn't comeup to me. He might not have ever...

...offered me a job. Yeu might not everthought that it was going to be a thing right. You know so, like you know, keeping your eyeopen, Profer, secunities and and believing in yourself and and also just yeah, and just knowing what you love todo and and ask yourself what are the opportunities within this thing that Ilove to do and if they don't exist yet what can I make happen right to makethem exist? Right? Guess, yeah! No, I think that'svery insightful, so kind of branching off this a little bit to the side. Ifyou could give one piece of advice to everybody, who's listening and this canbe about pokemon cards. This can be about pursuing your passions. This coanbe bout content creation, whatever you so choose. What would that piece ofadvice be just a one liner, not very good, at Wone, Linror someongive me you know it coun be a one liner with xpd. It could be two wel give youto as a treat. I swear, though, if you go beyond twosentences, like friendship, canceled Ho, the one liokadding okay, the one liner is that you got to loveyourself and believe in yourself. You know. In order to be successful, that'sI mean, like that's kind of you got to have self love and you gotTa. You got to believe in yourself in order to in order to be able to pursue yourpassion. So, like there's a lot of things in the world that you know theycan try to beat your ideas down, or you know, people that can try to beat yourideas down or make you feel certain type of way or whatever. But you need to believe in the validia validity of yourown ideas. You need to have an open mind and and and be able to learn newthings, but definitely definitely say that selflove and believing in yourselfyou know, is going to be that a driving motivation for you to continue tosucceed because it's very easy to get down on yourself stressed out,and you know, and and Reallyas I really dogyourself and I'm certainly you know what I'm what I'm saying tone linerthings that I believe in it sink that I hope aspired topleve right because hatbecause because I kind of need to remind myselfof this all the time right sure I fol Kep myself up a lot. It's interestingtoo because, like you know, learning new things and pursuing your passionsand you know treating yourself right. Those are all different forms ofselflove right, like even the simple act of learning. Something is youcaring and like looking after yourself, so I think that that could reallyexpand all sorts of like different territories. I think that was reallygood answer, even even like working out, doffy breaks, it's all it's all of thatI mean because, like that's Anoher, that's one of the biggest struggles is,you know, N, even selflove, as far as or a physical stanpoint, making surethat you take care of yourself. You know those kinds of things which isreally hard to do as this stream. So yeah, it's tough, it's tough for sure cool. What are some of the things Andrew thatyou find that you enjoy doing outside of Pokamon? Obviously right now, thebig thing is the house. So your doing all those home improvement projects orthings that need to get done. You'R Natali was talking about getting a newWasher dishwasher or something like Y, probably n. You know what are some ofthe things that you really enjoy outside of the POKMO trading card gamethat help you be refreshed. Every time you come back to the studio, running and skateboarding. It's likenot much as changed. You know running and skateboarding are like tomy to my biggest outlets for sure and, and they kind of like help satisfy thephysical. You know, desires that I have as far as like youknow, needing to be active and beeting to stay healthy, because certainly thepokemon trading card game does not do that very much. You know satisfyas, like the mentalproblem. Solving you know aspect, but rock climbing was another big one thatI that I enjoyed is well and Poka Mon go actually was coolbecause it was a little bit of a crossover you know and that I could getsome you know. Physical effort expended will also enjoying the the franchise that I love but yeah a lot a lot of staying, activeand doing doing houthdoors these kinds of things, which is cool because withinthe realmof pokemon there are these. You know in the in a kind of thefantasy realm. There are different trainers who have differentpersonalities right and that's kind of always one of the things that's drawnme to the series is I coand, be my own person or identify myself within thePOKOMON Universe, and I don't have to be a certain way I could be whateverkind of trainer. I want to be right. So that's that's always bn kind of cool tome as well. Are there as good of running trails around your houseas thatrere around Timbertup? That is going to...

...be a hard note it'. Just it's notpossible, it's not possible it. Timper top is right in the heart of Akron.There is a lake by my house which is awesome, and there is this. This, like quick, stop little biddymark, which is like less than a half mile from Y is walkable from my house,and it is just insane they have all meverages. You can possibly want allthe snacks. Oh my amazing, and I am definitely a big gas station kind ofsore. There's a life there's a lake by the house. I'm sure that there probablyis some trails somewhere yeah. I haven't found it yet, but the metroparks in downtown Akron are phenomenal and next to almost none so like it'sjust going to be impossible for theire to be trails that are as good as themiles and miles and miles and endless miles of trails that are in thedowntown accohere Sonoy Yeah. So as a gas station, sash convenience storeconnisseur. How does this rate amongst them? Is this like cop three? Is thisnumber one or well the best thing about it? Is that it is it's one: it's just aquirky, independently own little mini mark outside Te minnimark. There's agigantic statue of a hot dog, hoisqarning yeahto, its forehead et's,go that's good! That's oabout the size of myself right and Theiy Bart. You know hthey've goteverything you want. I was able to pick up some frozen pop pot. They had frozenchicken pop pies. You know they have all the snacks all theothe candy, andit's just this little and they also have like a deli. I think the Deli isclosed right now because of the coronavirus, but they have like a Delitodeher and so I' say it's a very high tier high tier, because I love the youknow the independently owned mini marks. You know it's not like going to likeyou'R, seven, eleven or whatever. I love the character right S. I'd sayit's definitely an ser str mani, mark yeah. What do you think is the best oneyou've ever been to well, there's this one that that is actually right. Next to myparents, current home in downtown Baltimore, they live in a rohome andthe ROGOM is like the third row home on the row and the first row home on theROA is literally a minimark. So it's like it's literally three doors downfrom the minimark. That's like I mean I could throw a rock at it right. It's isright there and this one is just this little. You know this little littleMinni Mark and you know, and the guy'll sell you whatever. I convinced the guywould like whip out. The accan he'd tell you like two sprays of the AxtraOterit like if you aske to bthats a whimsical guy, and he just makes upprices Hor. You know he never types. Things into the registery just looks atthe things he's like you know it had to be about six. Fifty, you know andyou're like you got it. You know, and it's just like that is the bestconvenience fore I've ever been to, and I love it. Aribal convenience story, Mahamed andChatchi. They run an incredible business overher. This is not asponsored podcast, yeah, Bhe, ands grocery. So nuts I mean they even sell.They sell the the Mexican coke. You could get it with the real soer yeah.Oh my God, I mean like they sell everything there. It's insane. Sothat's like the best one I've ever been to this. One is like a hard secondplace. Next to the you know, because coonvenience is part of part of the wayyou rate a convenience store is how convenient in it is it. You know so:Proximity to home, you know, and this one is walking disit. So I have to sayyou know it's a pretty di biid yeah, that's pretty convenient right. What is a convenience store? If I haveto drive to it? Oh right, that's you last or we used to do it all the time I mean if you have to right it tembertop. I had to drive to the COMENIANE story. Now I walk. Let's be Nice Yeah! That's awesome! That's awesome! Well, Ithink we're getting to the time of the cast where we open it up to viewerquestion so guys, if you have any things that you've just been dying toask Andrew we love to field some questions, for you. Thatthis is just always one of the bestone of the best times. Natalie says here that the place is severely epic.That's how she describes your current convenience store situation, thepitstot severely epic Aa, critically. Epic fact that I could find the frozenchicken pop eyes there. That's how I knew it's. It's one of my favoritesnacks they're, like a dollar for a Smar Yeah Oka, the they're smallthey're small they're like little frozen, chickenpop pies, you put it inthe microwave for for you talking about a pasty, no a chicken pop pie. Eah youtalking about a pasty. I don't know what that is. I handheld chickenpop Hiefrom northern Michigan. I've never...

...heard it called that. No, it's apasttebrow yers sure her is nrie right now. It certainly does not apasty on the package. A is banquet at the top and it as chickenpop pie at thebottom of that I wasn't never by anything thats a pasty on it thatdefinite. Definitely not. That is that sounds gross. Yes, that's well well,Youre right, but I mean I think, generally chicken pop ees are gross allright, detallor canceled for sure Soso, the Alaskan Hereus says Andrew Favorite,animal crossing villager, Berdo Berdo is awesome. Extremely underrated is like this. Likecreepy old bear, you know looking thing you know, he's got like a pop belly andjust like R, very hilarious right, pretty sure you can get him for free.You know, if you just look all alive, is probably people try to get rid ofhim right now from their village. Yeah fear no rocksfor sure counter culture. Yes, that's part ofthe as part of the whole Shi trainer, Joe Aske. What is one mechanicyou would like to see pokemon implement into the trading card game? One mechanic yeah, I think he's talking.Maybe like you know the tag, team sort of thing think I think it'd be cool tobring legends back, yeah, yeah I'll, say that and they'resill in nostalgic right. That's like right when you're getting into the gamedude like yeah, I never got to play with legends. I think that part of whatmakes me mad is that I was never. I never played in a format with legends,so I never got to like slap down my two cards like Whoa. You know quick ball for bottom Lugiaquikball for top Lubia. Well, technically, technically youcouldn't do that because they're not basic pokemon on their poke hem oncommunication. For there you go there, legend box, man, the legend box, Ohyeah, let Yoa like look at the top ten or something sreeahbasically Dude Iostalti forLeches, and I never even remotely played back. Then I was even interestedin the fookmontrading card game, but I remember hearing about these two partcars a like that. THAT'S NOT REAL! That's that's fake news right there,that's amugio stuff right there. No! I was playing you her at the time likethat. That can' happen, you Gi as not preach that ground so definitely pokeBot as what are some of what are some of thebest times and best memories that you have playing the POKMON trading cardgame. This can be tournament based. This can be. You know. I know that youhave a huge affinity for just getting the boys together with the Cubetalkting me about some of your favorite times in Pokermon wow. I mean like yeah over, like theeight you know years, 've been I've been playing. Some of the best times.Obviously like the regional wind was an amazing time that was really hype. Youknow getting to see. Other friends. Do well your reagional win amazing timeyou're, referring to who O nerealso amazing times. I was thinktws is obviously you know just recently. I I definitelly cooler and moreimpressive. Probably your also I actually bubbled out o cut at both yourregional win, so kind of kind of rough times. For me svery excited Te. Both you guys, Ou reasional, wins Natalis, you know second place.Regional was one of my one of my favorite times was getting tosee her do well, and I remember I think I was justlike the happiest I'd ever been in a tournament. You know watching her. Youknow win round after round you know winning her top a winning or top forwas just like on you n on cloud nine there. Those are,like you know, tourrnaament experiences, some of the more you know intimate. Youknow experiences that you might not expectfur like yeah, like you, like you imegionedbefore just like getting the boys together and and kup drafting is, is one of my favorite things to doand something that I hope you know we get to continue to do for a long time. Testing with Natalie actually leadingup to various tournaments Natalie has been one of my testing partners leadingup to o. You know just about every big finish that I've ever had so that youknow getting to kind of put our heads together a D and come up with decks.You know thinking specifically about that week with me: Riley and Natalieheading up to Natali second place finish where we came up with the bustedBuzzgarb carbing deck like that was just fun. You know also leading up toRalei's regional win. You know but know our hads together ever Riley had thisfilthy Zoracdeck, and I remember we...

...literally had this like team o that wascrazy. It'santic table my small one bedroom apartment where there was like eight games. You know probably betweenthe two rooms like OIT's, a POKOMON trading car game, happing at the sametime and we're all playing Zork merrs and then in the last second, I decidedto play buzzrock. You know witd, like we literally had the reseralwedding deck. You know right there and I was like can't do it. You know and like nobody understood, the theSORK meor like Riley understood it, and I felt like he was just like on thisother plane of existec but yeah. The common theme is, is like Theyre allgoing to be times that I spent you know with you guys or my best friends or and and getting to really problemssolve and have those hangout sepsions. You know really are kind of what makesthis so fun and it's really amazing to see a game like this bring togetherpeople. You Know Me. Obviously we would have never met thever. You know orevercross path, you know me skate border and- and you know crucial, Dude Brofrom you know, Bultimore Maryland, you know jw a vesuinist, a musician andRiley. A fancy pans engineer, you know, would probably not ver. You know crosspaths in any sort of way if it were not for this thing that we all we all sharetogether and now we're like best friend so like tat, is pretty epic and andvery cool and getting to kind of have those shared experiences through thiscommon thing is, is obviously the best part so cool. That's I mean that's an exciting way toend it. I think I ithink just one more closingquestion for you, Andrew Yeah. Can you give us just a one liner of yourthoughts on Malimar Olier Malimar is just such a heartbreakerdude, not a heartbreaker. It just constantly makes promises. Itcan't keep. That's so true. That's so true! Well, Andrew, it's been so awesome,Havin you! This is Super Fun. I can't express our appreciation enough, andhopefully our viewers got some really awesome stuff, not as much of Pokemon,but I think the insight transcends all sorts of boundaries. You know it goesbeyond pokmo beyond contect ration and stuff. That, like really is the core ofof passion and what we enjoy doing as a whole. So thank you so much for that.GW Is always thank you for your foryour time and your effort, your man bothes,looking fresh dude appreciate it my tanks to all of you who listen andwatch. We appreciate you all more than anything and it's really hard toexpress that accurately, but you all power what we do and I'm sure Andrewfeels the same way towards all o his viewers and all of yours here, attechcame so that'll bring us to a closhe today they you off for listening andwe'll catch. You oll next time, pece so yep later.

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