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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 2, Episode 10 · 1 year ago

2-9. The Worst of the Worst

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are ready to debate. This week we find out who the worst Pokemon from every generation is, with some obvious winners and some special surprises.

Everybody welcome back to tag team, thePOKEMON trading card games, prever podcasting duo. My name is Ryley Hoverand I'm joined by my good good friend, JW Cree Wall Gw. How we doing today,Riley I'm doing great. I had a really nice day to day help my wife do someobs things. She was recording some out of town musicians for a story time thather Orcstra has so usually what they would do at this. You know time of theseason would be go out into the libraries and assist the librarians intheir. You know daily story, time sessions, but obviously with theshutdown of basically all of society. They have to do it more online and thenbroadcast that out through you know the appropriate channel. So I helpe therewith obs, obviously a very difficult program if you have no idea what you'redoing- and I was kind of her tech for today, so that was Nicei always likegetting in the weeds of that technical stuff to it's kind of fun. Yeah problemsolving, although when the thing doesn't go perfectly you're always likeyou know, wonder it's always like a personal attack. Yeah, it's true, youknow, you know, because there's there's just with the musicians like they'rerecording on maybe not the best sound equipment, and so you know sometimes itdoesn't turn out. You know the audio quality isn't like the best, but itshould work. But it's like you know. You always want to go for as highquality as you can and then, if you know that it's not as high quality asit could be, then you know you're left a little bit disappointed, but I thinkwe got some good takes. We got some good content and I think they'll bereally happy. So what exactly is like the assistancewith this reading? Are they adding like atmosphere to the stories or are they?You know physically reading stories, yeah exactly so they'll have alibrarian or in this case Anne will read a book and then in response to thedifferent you know, pages or themes in the book, then the musician will playaccording to that. So you know just things to kind of add alittle bit of mood add a little bit of yesintrigue and then they get to kindof show off their instrument a little bit too. They have like a little. Youknow thing with the with the kids generallywhere they show off. Oh this is you know the bassoon, or this is the Obo,and this is what it does, and this is how it works, and it's just veryeducational. In that way too, yeah sounds really wholesome, very wholesomeI'll. Send you the video you might like it yeah. I probably would wethat soundsawesome. Man so great way to spend a day this past weekend or Wasit. Theweeken before you were involved in that limit is tournment. Were you I was howdid that go? Well, it was. I originally said I wasn't going toplay in it because I just didn't. I don't know, I wasn't feeling it thatday we had a friend in town and I was like hey. We should probably hang outwith him, but then I got a little bit of extra news that full grip was goingto sponsor players that did well. You know they were going to give us alittle bit of extra support if we rite placed you know in the top x number ofpeople, and so I was like. Oh you know what this is a little bit moreincentivizing to play in this tournament, and so I said: Okay I'll doit. You know and if all goes wrong, it's a free tournament and I can justdrop after you know, round eight or something you know after I get a prettygood idea of whether or not I'm going to be able to make topcut or not and so ended up joining. It was fine for thefirst two rounds, but I could kind of tell that if it had gone on like that,there was no chance of US finishing and it wasn't so bad for the Americans, orat least the East Coast Americans, because eight o'clock start time. Thefirst two rounds went about an hour each, but you just have to think about.You know if this was a worldwide tournament. Those people that are youknow, starting at you know, eight pm right and the first two rounds are twohours like there's. No way they get to sleep that night and we just kind of I'm Goin to Polon newthat it would get there for people who...

...maybe listening and don't know the fullcontext of the limilis tournament. Can you give a little background as to whatthat was as well? Yes, so the limitis tournament was the invitational setupon whats given to the Pokema community by the limitless TCG team,and they wanted to make an online series to bide our time to. You know to give thePokaman community some outlet to play Pokmon, and so they created a series and the firstqualifier was supposed to be last weekend. Unfortunately, we hit a couplesnags things just got going a little bit to you know late. The rounds took alittle bit too long and at one point before round three: the entire systemthat they had used to pair everyone and keep track of results just crashd, andso, as you can imagine, that creates a lot of headaches, a lot of problems,and so they decided to just postpone after that, which you know veryunderstandable. It was very ambitious of them to you know, say: Hey we'regoing to have this qualifier for about thirteen hundred people and I was shocked when they announced it,because that's just an amazing amount of people to coordinate on one day, butit looked. You know promising. I was excited about it, the first two roundsagain they went a little long but ended up having some issues with the with thepairing system, and so we had to postpone, but I'm really lookingforward to it. They are going to reschedule the first qualifier for theeighteent and nineteenth of April. So if you are interested in the limitlesstournament, probably the biggest online pokemon tournament that yeah I meanmight ever happen, then that's when it is, and I'm lookingforward to. I think I'll play in that one as well and well hope that they gethe the bugs ironed out. It was a really ambitious start and I wish nothing butthe best, because I think it's a great resource for a lot of players yeah. Itruly would love to see something like this succeed. It sets a precedent rightif they're able to make t oer than if's possible and more people an O, makethis work and I think to is like again ironing out the bugs. If they're ableto do it one time and it's successful, then it's those results that are goingto be able to be recreated in the future. So it's always hard to do thesekinds of things. The first time you know you wonder if they had maybewanted to- and I don't know the back story but like if they, if you knowthat you might have problems with the server, maybe- and maybe they did this,but maybe you contact the server before the tournament like those are th, justthe little things that you wouldn't think about until you actually do ityeah. So so, if they can pull it off and- and I have full confidence thatthey will, but if they can pull it off, it'll be a huge boon for our communityand something that we can do again and again in the future yeah, and I wouldlove to see that for the community, because not only just for this time of liketurmoil when Onlineis the only way but having more ways to engage and Prok Hemon and and connect o people, especially internationally right, because thisisn't something we can normally have any sort of access to down. It seemslike a great opportunity that limilus is pushing the mountinries on yeah andit I mean it seems even sustainable throughout a season where there isphysical game. And so that's that's what's exciting to me as well, becauseyou know maybe on those tournament weeks that you have a regional you knowsomewhere in the country, then you could also pair it with you know thisonline experience from you know limitless or anotherthird party, and I think just those possibilities are pretty exciting. Aswell yeah- and I know, we've talked quite a bit now actually over the lastfew episodes about you, know continuing...

...to work and I'm proving the client and,of course that would help to stream lon. That process make it easier and moreaccessible. I would really love for Pokemon to be, you know, accessibleviewable, esports experience yeah that would be Oviousli and but at leastoutside of the client like taking those steps with tournaments is awesome, soyou know full props, Telimo, those guys, I'm sure and they'll iron out the kinksand get something going. Thoug, I'm sure they'll have a deliveral problproduct. At the end of the day, those guys are are smart and talented and and some of the best players as well soyeah. I can't wait to see what happens in a couple weeks for sure so for thisweek on tag team outside of the world of competitive pokemon, especially because the limitlesstournament is delayed for another week, so we might cover a little more aboutdecks and stuff that week, but for this week we thought we do something alittle fun and Gw, and I were kind of mulling over ideas and eventually wecame to to this one so you'all have to let us know what you think, but we decided that we're going to sharewith each other. What we think is the worst pok on in every generation, andthe goal of each generation is to kind of sell the idea to the other person.So, for example, if in genone I think Pikachu is the worst pokemin and JWthinks charm. Ander is the worst pokem on. We are going to stay in Genon andnot move on a Gento. It doesn't have to be a hundred percent agreeance, but Ithink someone has to conceve. That's yes, I would agree, I would agree orthey have to change their opinion about that pokeman. I think that would be agood yeah. You know it out. There asal some amount of give before like to moveon. That's right, so that's like the core concept of what we're working with.We both have a note pad, or you know, or that cul be on our list of some sortof our worsebook min of every generation, and I don't know I wy wanted to do thisn in order. YEU want to do reverse order like how do you o you think itwould be fun to do? I think I think in order would be perfect. Let's go genone to gen at I was talking before the Stream. I think Jan Edi is probably theeasiest yeah to do well, for at least for me o, you know Giv me morethain thato go like backwards. Like start a ag go to one okay, I see what you'resaying: Let's do. Li like one is more beloved as well so like so everyonecan't wait till you have to say about it all right all right. I feel you. Ifeel you, let's do it. Okay, so JW you've been out spoken about yourchoice for Jene, so I don't think it'll be a surprise, but no, I think, for youknow, for the viewers and listeners. What is your Gen age failure? Well, I do actually think that thereare two that are pretty bad, but the worst, I would say, is ice. CE BIFOXICEQ is a an abomination of a pokmon. If you don't know what ice ce lookslike imagine, a penguin with an ice cube for a head and one little hair,sticking out of that ice, Cube. Okay, so there's a lot of things that I hateabout it. First of all, you're just taking an ice cube and you're, taking apenquin and you're smashing it together that sucks that design is terrible. Thethe face on the ice cube isn't even interesting. It's just like literally ablock ofvice and it's yeah kind of like a smily face like kind of dead lookingalmost and then it has a little hair, which I really don't like to associatewith ice cubes. I really don't you know when I think about ice, cubes or water.I generally hate to think about hairs and going further. Why would it have a hairbecause it's a bird and birds don't have hair? They have feathers. So Idon't know. That's like the first concern that you should bring up. Okay, so you're, not a fan of ice cubeto make a lot of strong points. What's the second, you know honorary mension. My second is pretty easily Mr Rhyme, Mr Rime, and Ithink I'm going to get a lot of hate...

...for it. But, Mr Rhyme, to me I don'tknow, what's going on with the wing things like, I kind of get the top hator the hat, and the cane and the big shoes like it's kind of looking like anEnglishman, but why you got to have the red belly, why you gotta Hav thoseweird eyes next to the belly. Why O got to have the wings I'm just not for it?Mr Rhyme you're, you are an FTER pokemon character. Okay, that'sinteresting! So I think that's like a good ridge to me. So when I was lookingat them, there were two that stuck out to me and Mr, it was actually one ofthem. Okay, not for exactly the same reasons, but first I don't know, if MrMind needed a sequel. I think he was kind of fine. Mi Junior was worseenough. Second off I just generally am not ahuge fan of like the super humanoid Pokemon, and I don't know if that'sjust me but like when they start to really get humanoid. It's like this isweird. Now it's unsettling yeah and it just like. He doesn't make a lot ofsense to me. Like you know, Mr Myme had the cool like miming and like boxcration stuff and Mr O, Mr Mim Galarian Form. I had like the tap dancing motiyubut like what is Mr Ryn dude he's just like a dude of the cade. He just became human yeah. It's a Idon't like that. Pokmon, it's weird and unsettling. I guess is the best wordand my second pick- and I don't know if you'll recognize it's on namedrop, butI think Choodel, absolutely soutal suck total, so sucks judalisst because, like you know, you think backand Younow Wer promise this cool Turtle Book moder like Oh, my gosh like thisis sick. Dude, like you know, he's Watern, rock and, and then I you know,I'm playing through the game. I didn't spoil any of the POKEMON and I get tolike rout to and there's a frecking thoodle there Likeoh, my God, iherelike I have to get this to get to the cool pokama yeah. It's like there's so much wrong with. U, like hislittle buck, teeth kind of bother me, but I don't think that's the worstdefender. I think the worst problem with him is his code head dude. Oh, thecone head is like he's a very good dunts cap, twent fo, seven it actually.It looks like he is like an upsidedown ice cream cone kindo like that's what I think of like withthe little squiggle on the headpiece. It's just absurd. Looking I just red, not super cool but coodle likewhat the Hecka and like his little blushing, cheeks or whatever, like he's,not a Pika Che like. What's what are those sheeks doing? Yeah don't make hemthat cute like don't, he doesn't need Atan. He has like this weird univowkind of looking thing. It's just a go away: tootle like go away yeah. Ifthat poke mad didn't exist, I wouldn't be sad. It could just dread. No couldbe like a a basic foco on you know right and then you just catch later inthe game, and it would be fine and no one would notice the difference. That'swhat I'M SAYING DUDE! That's WHA, I'm saying all right, so we have two bigconcenders here I mean I agree with you with the toodle you you don't agreewith me with the ice ce, but that's okay, because it does have this like. Ican concede it. has this really kind of cute and fanciful accentic about sosomething I like in Pokemon? A lot is theming and yes, IC heas cute as well,but like I like the idea of like you know in the game he gets like fast.Hes Ice falls off and he gets faster, but then it comes back on in the hail.I think it's just like really interesting and cool sure. So, eventhough, like his designs, kind of whatever, like he has like a cool themeto him, which to me makes him better than something like Todl, which hasnothing so okay, so you...

...you like the toodle or you don't likethe Choodl, and you don't like the the Mr Rhyme, I'm going to say we agree onthe Mr Ryme enough to move on to Gensep. Okay, I think that's fair yeah, Mis Rym,also sucks ASERI'm horrible POKEMON, okay I'll go first for Gen. Seven, thenjed seven was a really exciting time. Orbokmon. You know the first thds gamegoingto this Hawaiian region, all the Pokemon they ere, revealing leading upto the game, were so cool and so exciting. I Love Gen. Seven on paper,and then I get to the game and things are still cool like a lot of the bookwhon I saw I really liked, but then I get to the end of the game and Iencounter cravomitable Ani. Think everything about this pokmon just bothers me. It's so so bad! Oh you right x, I was on thethreedays Eforehead A. I was like completely issing the marke there, butlike Exi, oh, my Gosh crabon will do likehe's furry for some reason and that's weird and he has like paws where hislike as go like. Why do they have a pop ritthat does't make any sed? Well he's a he's supposed to be like a snowman, anabominable snowman, but he's Crad, but it's a crab. So it's like you could at least give him pincers man.It's just I mean you know, he's a No. I mean I kind of get it. The thing thatthat bothers me, the most about the crab, is that the face is so not likewell defined that the the little like blue eye silhouette and knows like thatcould be the face. But then also the bigger white part could be the facelike it. Just doesn't also has like this awful haircut thing like this islike it was like the yeah, the Olcut thatwas just looks like his mother, like took poor scissors to his hair ohgoodness, what a bad pook and he haslike a chest piece kind of like thing which, okay, it's just you like wha. Imean it's kind of like a Bra, a little bit yeah, it's kind of like he has move.This is what it looks like yeah. Maybe I don't know or well it can be femaleright. So I just like BTO or move Yot, know like in my mind, like pokemindkind of they can't be both genders ut like identify them as like one or theother. Usually, okay, propobals. Definitely like a male Pokabo AF I byokay, those are nough for sure, airnough, yeah, thet haircut, dude, no,no selfrespecting woman would be caught dead with that. As what I'm saying so yeah I hate criovitible, that's fair!Okay! I like it I like, where your heads at because that wasn't a pokmonthat I had I had overlooked. I had forgiven him of Hishis sins. I'doverlooked, thim a little bit for me, the worst pokemon by far they just jumped out to me, is Brocksish Fergotrex, absurdly horrible pokon, andI think it goes back to the unsettling part of Mr Rhyme, where it just haslike these lips and the eyes that just shouldn't be on a POKMOT. Like Ishouldn't look at a pokemon and like be wondering like. Is this sexy like shoul?Think at about Bruxs? I shouldn't have those thoughts. Youknow. That's all I'm saying POKEMON. I don't think anyone else has thosethoughts about brokish. Really. I think we can ask chat and they would say no,they would sayth yeah. I dude. No. I know that there's asubsect of people that are questioning our question in that. So for me, brockfish is just an absurd,pokemi, just horrible horrible design. The colors don't really make a lot ofsense like it's as this weird mouth like the mouth.It's the moute. Wasn't these lips these big Old Lips? Maybe I would like itmore? Maybe it would redeem the artstyle of the character but itd justjust I can't get behind it. I cannot...

...ugly poke hem on Zer Auditin yeah,please nuke yeah, that's fair! I'm probably going to concide to you thatBrexass is horrible. I forgot about Broakas to be honest, that wit aboutbroxt. I guess I just liked it from my memory. Yeah Broxis is is awful. Itreminds me of this of that. So, like I don't what fish is this based on,because there's a character in the spongebab episode that looked also likethis, I couldn't tell you what it's what it'sbased. I don't know if anyone listening or IC chat remembers. There was likethis episode of Spongeba where they went to the karate island and there wasthat one female karate fish who had like the chaft lipts do you know w attalking about, probably Yeu might like I'm red likeYouoi, would know it. If I staw, I think if you saw the Sedyou REVEMPTalkou Andi, that reminds me of Bruckish so like clearly it's based onsomething but yeah you're right, abominable avodill poke hem on. I will ten times out of Ted ill agreevew US Ahi is thethis Yeer oversighe of my part, covotible second place, though Yeah Eah,I hate crabonerable to that sucks, all right, all right, so that Gen, sevenwe've wrapped it up. So we have so far on our list of were spokeemon Mr Rhyme and brocksish those ware, the two. Somoving on to gen six gen six. I had a very easy time for this, because I alsoconsidered this not to be the worst spokem on, but also one of the mostforgettable Pokemin and stop me if you've heard this one riley, but for methe worst Pokman of Gen six. No, it's not quilitin very good up there, but itis scatter. Bug Is Gatter bug, Caterbuk and SPUPA are just to Pokemon that Ihave no idea how they came to be. SCATTERBUG is probably the mostforgetable pokeman that I have ever seen in my life. It's this very baigecolor. It's got three little hairs for some reason, a little tooth for somereason I don't know little hairs. What's going on with it, it's just avery boring pokemon. It's it looks like something that a child could draw, and I don't know. I just always hope thatpokermon like puts more effort into their designs than SPUPA and scatterbug. You See, I kind of disagree with you there, because ai think all of thelike bugs that you get out of the gate are usually relatively uninfired, but I think vivion is actually one ofthe coolest of the final stages of those bugs because it ha well. That's Imean, and that's kind of like that, dicotomy right, because you look atscatterbug and spoop and they just suck, and then you get to Vavilia on you'relike wow. This is a really beautiful, well thought out. POKMA yeah, so I see where you're coming from, thoughlike especially amongst the bugs, like Scatterbug, is probably one of theleast interesting like even caterpies like got this cuteness factor andwormpoll is like kind of has an interesting design, but then you get tolike scatter Boan, it's just you ow you just hanging out part of the squad.Like so yeah I get that I e in terms offorgettafleness. I think he's up there. I think there's a couple more fok onthat are more forgettable. Something for me that I just I really can't get over this pokemon.For some reason is, I think, heliop tile, like sucks, I don't know if I have like a greatreason for I just like it just I just hit. So it's so punchable yeah and likeit's very, I think helioftiles is super forgettable, like I don't know it's notlike. It's got a kind of unique design, but Iwould never remember it besides the...

...fact that is forgettable, sure rightand for that fact alone it's rememberable. You know it's kind of aweird, weird cycle that Ye goys, like he's kind of stupid. Looking like he would not be my friend. If Iencountered him, that's for sure. Okay, I don't know Jusnot a huge Hilyoty Fan.I again, I don't really have like a lot of reasons for it. He just sucks okay.So a few criteria that I have for these pokemon is is it lazy design, and Ithink that is definitely true of Heliop tyle I mean you said it was kind ofunique, but like it's just a salamander, looking thing with like the Endlik yeah, I don't even know if it's asalamandor looking thing it's a reptile of some sort right. Obviously we getthat from the name like the Helio Lisk. You know that's obviously based onthose like frilly lizards but like yeah optowajus, like a dog, lizard, yeah and T and there's nothingparticularly interesting about the like. The body of the Pokmon is just like thesame with the ends like cut off and replaced right. It looks like he'swearing lowe, gloves and a little like tailpiece and a hat yeah, and I don'tknow like usually, I think, on interesting, Cokomon or more forgivable.If they're, like cute, B, tlike Helly uptoll isn't even cute like it's. It's,like you said it's Punchable, I got Punchyou Le Hela Tow like runs up and trys tocoddle your leg. Youre like O, get off me and like kick it off right, wheresright! You know, you know like a char. Mander is just that. You know it's justa lizard with a firetail, but like that's cool and cute, it's like yeah. Iwould embrace a Charmmaner, but I would definitely swat off the Helia tile. Ithink gensix definitely had some stinkers. I look here. Quillidinreaches out to me as a stinker. barbarical is definitely a stinker.Yeah densex was definitely a little underwhelming on the Fuck Mon Front.Yeah got TA, Siy got to say, and even the legendaries like SI guard. What areyou doing? Yeah but cerain e alsawar super cool they were, and that was theproblem is that it had a lot of really high pokmon like Sylvian AmazingPokemon, you know trevinent, I would even go to say, like travinint ing, I think Novern Really Nice PokmonEveltozernius Great Pokemon, and then you have just some of the lowest, Ithink of any of the gens okay. So where do you think we're landing?Have you budgeet all on Heliata I mean I just can't get over, because Ithink heliup tyle is kind of a lazy design, but I feel like scatterbug isan even lazier design and like to me. Scatter bug looks lesslike a pokmon than heliup tyle, and I just I just don't like. I think I te withthat that it look less like a fotfol than he lived out. I will say I dislikeyou know on terms of like a friendship factor like who. Would I rather befriends with. I wouldefinitely rather be friends with scatterbug than Heli. That's so that's interesting. I kind ofI think I agree with all your points, but who is the worst then? Well, I think, in the two out of threecategories. For me, it's got to be scatter bog. I think I'll be willing to conceide it.Just because I have like a personal Vedetta. I got to CEELIUP tyle and athis is me recognizing that, as opposed to like thinking of it, quike rooted anlotging all right, worst, Gen, six pokemon tag,Timus crown scatter bug good riddance. All right, jen fi was an interestingone. The second generation to be featured onthe DS. It was kind of like the black sheep generation, had a great story,but you know was otherwise kind of e theForgotten Child Jem. Five was also kind of like tryingto Mimic Gen one all over again was...

...kind of the vibe they were going for,so they had a lot of like weird takes on Gen on pokmon. I felt like it's interesting. What what are youseeing as some of the parallels? I'm just I'm just o just coming in this isit was, is really a deliberate thing so and it wasn't like one of the worst Pakon, but so gen five. The whole thing in the original back and White Games isyou could not. You could only catch pokmon from Yunova in that okay so like,and I had, I think it had a hundred and fifty Fokamot as well and Gotcha, andso it was like literally trying to like recreate the genine experience for likea new generation was kind of the idea. I think so. An obvious example is trobishandgarbador to grimer and Bock is like a pretty easy one to draw, but there'sthere's plenty of others. They don't like immediately spring tomind but they're there. For me, though, I think the the worstis the three way tie. I love it. I think you know where I'mgoing with this. I love it. I think Simi Zer Timy stageand Siypor, just the worst, an maybe they're,boring, they're horrible they're, just not interesting. It's it sucks, theyall suck. So you don't like the simies, thesecond stage. So do you like the initial stage, the Pan Sa aditial an es,an Oleast? The initial stage, I think, is at least cute okay, whereas thesimies are like these weird ugly abominations that are just as boring,but I they're not even cue anymore, okay. Okay, I see where you're comingfrom, because I'm looking here at the at the semi ser in particular, and hejust looka he's like a Bo on his head like yeah. It just doesn't look, itdoesn't look like a strong pokeman. You know you're, not looking at this ayou're not saying like Maand, that's a pokemon! I want on mysquad, yeuknow they're, all very forgettable,all very just bad. I think for me, though Gen this Gen was pretty easy and I hopeyou haven't forgotten about this pokemon. But for me this one gets like such lazy like such a low score indesign that I think it might be the lowest of the category for me of allgens wow and that's rogand. Rolla, Oh, come on man give Rocke Break Ruc. Anrollir is horrific. Ritirike Rockad, rol speaking ot parallels. The wholeRog in the rollerline was the was the Goalan line and the yeah yeah andhernline was machamp line. Rock and Rola doesn't look like a pokmon okay.It has no features that make me think. Oh yes, this isn't alive being and so for me the Rog and roll at justhorrible Bok minht. It looks like a little soccer ball for those youlistening at home with out. You know, access to a screen for no reason at all,but Rogand Rolla. It just is this black mass with like a like a littleindentation, it's kind of like on a moon crater and that's supposed to bewhat it's I its mouth. Nobody knows and then it has like a piece of rocksticking up the top and it's got two little feet rocks and that's a I don'tknow man, I just it's like kind of got this unique cuteness to it. To me it'sa rock dude Yeahdon't know it's got a cute like bulldor could be the stage one andthen Giggleleth could be the stage to, and I think would be like aorious oimean and bolder could be the basic and gigle it could be the stage stage oneand we be all I'll be like that makes so much sense. I understand thatpokemon line, that's a very good. Oh no man, Rocg and Rolla. Yes, there's not alot of design going for it, but it's...

...like I I like the curby kind ofasthetic to it, or it has like just the two little legs that it walks around on,and it's just like this hute litle round thing, whereas, like I just thesimes, are like they deviletly bad. You know: Ther Wer Ikwe talked about likeoverhumanizing pokemon earlier and so for me, the ragand roller representslike an underhumanizing like this thing has no quality that I can relate to inany way see, but I think so. I think it's okayto go on that direction more than it's. Okay, to like make it completely human, like my and if you're, going on designlike effort, it's like Brog and I tried to say this like Raga Rolla is, likemaybe lazy, I think he's actually kind of cool, but this Sinias uniqur, likemalevalently bad right, like someone had to think that this would be a goodidea and put it to paper and like submit this because, like you know,Rockat Alis like if you're got to say roganill is lazy. The cities are justbad. You know they're awful, you know I'd rather have something lazythat get the see than something ie put a lot of effort in and got a death. Okay, I you know you've roughted me to my knees.rily I will concede. The SAMIES are worse. Th Rog Roller, because I havethe very least for Rogan Rola- is that it is unique. It is, unlike anythingelse like I just look at this spokee man, I'm like there's no other pogamonlike this and that's what makes it suck but you're kind of looking at it likethere's, no other pogum on that's what makes it great yeah exactly, whereas we both have a at least I have a healthy dislike ofthe SAMEAS. You have a pure hatred and rage towards the Simies, and so I'lgave it to youman all right. That's fair! I think a lot of pokamod fantswill agree the Sivis ar horrib just their hair. What's going on withthe hair yeah, I don't know man. The poop on the semi seer like hits is bad, not good, Ocomon Takein tothe Gen for the start of the DSERA pretty exciting time as well. You knowa lot of people got. I feel, like a lot of people got out of the Games in likegem three and then came back in the DS, for whatever reason ther's just likewhere they were in their life and Jempor was a lot of fun. I thinkthere was actually a lot of good poke monage in for a lot of cool ideas, yeahand they definitely did a good job at like expanding some older pokemon likeIo. That was like. That was a really cool time. That was definitely whenthey did the most, like. You know, expanding upon old lines.Besides maybe Ceneigt, I guess kind of- did a similar thing churpiflit twist right. So, let's start with UDW. Whatdo you think is the worst genforcoon this? This might come as a bit of asurprise. I I have to I have to okay for Gen four. I hate my junor. It was kind of kind of hinted tat.Earlier I hate the whole Mr Mimeline, but Mi'm junior dude it just I hate it.I hate it so much and then I really really really dislike our firstlegendary to be announced. FEONE and manife interesting. Thosespoke Emmon to me. I don't understand them, so you know boomer alert and they just they don't offer anythinginteresting to the game. I don't I don't get them feon supposed to be ababy manofy, but it can't evolve and I li can't breed like I don't I don'tunderstand. What is the whole point and our word just feels like I can't even Ican hardly tell Feonan Manifi a part if you put a feon on the screen and you'relike what is this. I I feel like fifty...

...percent of the time I would Hav justyeah an yeah. So that's a that's fair, I kind of likemy imgineer. I think I could maybe start eaking to you with vion. Not Ithink manife is fine, but the addition of Pheon was Choicei. Think for me I just I really didn't like theperogly line. Like you know, we already pok on keeps doingthe cat thing. You know it feels like every other generation. We have a catand glamyais. Whatever is you know, just a stuck up cute cat and I get theidea they're going. Forwith peregly, like you, know the snooty cat that getsreally fat and like doesn't let anyone get in this business, but like the design just felt, I don't know,boring and not interesting. The POKEMON isn't memorable in like any sort ofmeaningful capacity. Besides it just being fat and ugly and stupid yeah,it's not a fok on Yo. You ever want your team, it's not a foktime that hasanything like really going for it like it's, not a pokamon that has ever had atrading card about it least Yo Hov, one that we gen likepoint two. It's just like just pure, like forgettable Po KemonLan, like Jenfor, actually had some of the most forgettable Pokamot of myopinion. I think yeah, one of if not themost, forgettablef Hokemon is Tia isa fineon. You know yes, but I, like I kind of like that about Vinyon. He justhas this like fish charm to him, whereas peruly has no charm, you know,I hey, U deliberately, took out the charm actually yeah they made it have no charm, so yeah. I just can't stand that thing.It's just it's ugly andgrossed and I hate how the team Galactic boss has oneit's and that's really a shame, because Ilook at the Glamiou design and for me I like it, you know I like the glamyoutand what it has going on. It's kind of this sleek slender cat. You know itlooks like it's up to no good kind of like Persian from the original seriesand then yeah you get to the perogly and it just fat ugly, no real, redeeming quality toit. The whiskers are kind of weird. I don't know what they're going for there.Maybe it's supposed to be like, like some kind of steam or something comingout of their cheeks. I don't know but yeah, it'sbizarre to say the least yeah. I I agree. However, I do think fedon hasa good case. I think manife is fine and keep in mind for the first four gens.They leaned actually in the first five gems, the they had like the mewarchetype right, where it was like an every generation had the mew of thegeneration that had bundred base tads across everything and looked more orless like a pixy of some sort, and so there was like mew and to Celebi and toGeratci to mantafee into Victini and then it kind of stopped. I think I don't think there was oneforen six, so I kind of like manife like if fitthat bill. Well, I liked owt was like a water type. It was kind of differentthan the psychic types that had preceded it in that kind of category and like it had this cool like healingpower, kind of idea- and I don't know, t kind of made sense like Thamatically,I feel like water is associated with healing in like fantasy media ture. SoI like that I D and I'm sure, there's like somekind of like deeper like focl or reason for it, but I don't get feone like. Whydoes it breed and why is fion exists, that it seems entirely unclear? It'slike not a preevolution, it's just like adeformed baby. It's like the yeah. It's like a Zebro, donkey kind ofthing. You know or it's like it yeah, but it's not even right and it's, butit's not even like you could ever read two manoffe together right. Could yougot so manefetic breed? I don't think so. It has toyo have to breed it withtha disk oi saying it's like...

...it's like a Z, it's one of those likeZiberdonki kind of thing s her it's like abomination that wasn't meant tolive, can't breath. You know yeah, it's IT'S JUST WEIRD! I don't get it and it's like objective. Just lookingat this design, it's just like a worse man of fee. You know, if you putfeodamanope side of my side and point to the one. That's worse, not knowinglike their names. That's the fie e right right e, exactly exactly like. Iimagine, Pheonand Manifar, like feon being like a rejected, manafee designand then they're like Ohi, got Ou Ke, O more pokemon. You know, let's justthrow this in yeah, so I think I'm willing to ConseeDumtyon. I don't! Okay, I don't think I wull see the point of Feon. Is thiskind of okay, let's Boe on good good worst Gen for Pokemon Fion? You heardit here. So let's go back and do a recap here: we've done five generations so Fione, and then we have the simmies from Gensix orh excuse me Jen five and then gen six. We had the HELIUP Wuaite Scatter Bot, scatterbugfrom Jen six and then from Gen seven. We had brocksish, of course, and finally from JEN EIG. We had what do we have from Jenny, Mr Rhyn,but I think twoo, Mr Os, Mr Yne yeah you're right, Mr Ryn, that sucked a pokmonster Kay cool so now we're getting into likethe nostalgic kind of generations of Cokma, an one through three, the harder,the harder generation they are harder. I specially kind of struggle thegentthree. I was just going to say the same thing I almost felt like Ifergentry kind of did pretty well. Actually in HII there was a perfectgeneration and, like I didn't, I didn't have any particular affinity for Rubyand Sapphire. For me personally, I felt like they took a lot away from what Iloved about Har, Gold and soul silver. I don't know there just wasn't as muchof a uniqueness to it and I guess the time of my life I just kind of feltlike rumy and sappire weren't really top Tiar Games. But then I look back atthe design of the Bokmon and theyre, like generally very strant gentry hats,a really awesome poke abot like Thi, so this was tough for me. So I'm kind of curious, like what youput is your worst. Well, you should you should go first, okay, we'll keepalternating. So for me I struggled, and so I you know it might even be worthlike another pass over it to be sure, but I hate swallot Dne. Yes, that's me,that's e!! I put gulpin but swallow to liwll suck. I think I like SOM. I hatesmallo more because of his like his angel hair, noodle s like for somerson.Those just bother me. You know Yehyeah, like I madto see that in Persna,there's like in front of you and you have to like touch them or somethinglike t'GR. Okay, that's Tou Yeah! I mean I thinkwe got O it's just a kind of like ugly gross, unpleasant dese like and grantedit's not compared to some of these other worst pokmon. I feel like it'snot even close, but I just don't like Smallo. You know Gopen kind of as well,but I think smallo is worse than Golpen. Okay, okay, it's like the thing aboutSwalla. Is that it's trying and that's maybe what makes it worse like Gulpin,you know: okay, it's just. They had a little Blob, a green blob and they puta little feather in it like it's kind of cute n in a very like unsettling way,but that's swallowt. They actually, you know, put a little bit more effort,there's kind of more detailing there's a lip thing that is just enlarged. Theeyes are little. You know endless. Seeds has a little. You know pattern across the mid section.They tried with that one and the Fu man...

...shoe is not enough to redeem it swalot.You are the worst boot on in gender that was exciting a little bit of asyncronization there. That's right, I wasn't sure. If we never hit one, oh we did. We did I'm glad we did,though, but but going back to gen three though it very solid design. I reallydid have a hard time. I did to taking any pokemon down a notch, because Ilook at them and theire own they're, all really good, like anthematically.They all kind of work and and thereres some that are, you know, intentionallyugly, but it makes sense because they have enough design concepts that keepthem relevant and interesting, so really good gen for pokeman design. Ithought yeah and I know I might be coming from a place o bias personally,because that was kind of like my true childhood game, like I played Pook,Mine, red, yellow gold, silver and crystal like on my game boys. But youknow this is when I was like an elementary school and I'm making actuallike formative, thoughts about my opinion. Not Games in general and youknow actually playing something for hundreds of hours and that was like Genthree was that for me. So right right, but you know we still came in the sameonclusion, even with very different opinions of Gen, three, so easy enough cool. So Gen to you know, Ifelike Jentu is very lot of generations, but I think jen to actually had a lotof underwhelming pokemon. I think Gentoo is kind of overrated onthe whole and I think so, there's one there's one pokim on line that I don'tnecessarily want to duck for the design of any individualpokermon. But that's, of course, like. I don't think we can go away from baddesign in Gento without even bringing up Remerad to actillery. That makesabsolutely no sense. Thos pokamont are not related whatsoever by any thread,and so to have that, be you know, representative of Pokemon.It just doesn't make any sense to me. It's kind of going back to the FeonManafe discussion that we had it. Just I don't get it. I don't get how remoradgoes into actillory. I just doesn't make any sense and from a designperspective, it's just absurd that those two pokmon are in the same familytree. I get the idea, they're kind of going forwar it's like Remerat is apistol and actillery is you know a cannon o Ar Artillery, but like thewhat it, but what's what does? How IES remoratea pistol? That's what it's supposed to be. I said Yeh, there's not Yo, oh my gosh, but that being said, it'snot obvious enough. I don't think yeah. I had no idea and Lik there's no likeconnection like. Maybe if there's a middle form that, like bridged remer anactillery, it would be easier to like understand that dude mind blown yeah because it likesnipes things and it's like yeah. Oh my gosh, that's amazing! Okay, so I think weredeemed remerade, O okay, Wat Wedoou Memorad for me, then you know thatwasn't my worst, but it did have to bring it up in terms of design. Myworst one of the babies, you know, hem, youmay love Hem. I hope you don't, but for me the worst baby and the worstpokeminagentu is elecid Eleca B on just UKs. He kid of sucks, buthe's got some charm out of that. I all elekids is so easy to pictures this,like this mischievous little rascal kind of thing. Oh sure, all the babiesHav this kind of like yeah mischievous, like I don't knowlike Ifeel, I feellike like igly buff is just like you know cute having a good time, whereasLe Kid just like mischievous and causing trouble, I mean Hiy, definitely has a good character to it. Yeah, like you, saidit's very strong. You know personality to that Pokemon, but I don't thinkthat's enough to redeem it from the from the male prongs on the top of ahed. I like just it's a plug. I...

...understand, but it's just like an orbwith a plug. I don't know how lazy you can get. I think elequate is actuallyfine and then how does it evolve in the Electibuz like? Where did the prongs go?Dude, I don't know they kind of came back with the electe. I her that's whatI'm saying it just doesn't make any sense O, but I think for me the worsthas to be stantler. Dude like what sailor has nothing going for you atestantler, yeah, staylor, sucks, fro Im like I'm a picturin sailors. I couldreference it specifically. So, like statler has literally nothing man he'sjust he's. Just like a antler reindeer deer kind of thing it's and it looks like he should have somesort of like psychic element to him, because he has like these fears that,like glow or something, but he does it yeah and it's s Wellhe, but he does,though, not really e. just a normal POKMI nobut. He learned he learned abunch of Psychics Eler, a eos like two psychic which, like you know, he's just as crappy he's agot, this big old it looks and from the side it looks like his tail kind oflooks like he has a tumor on his butt and Ste. Okay, a I don't know yeahit'sso he's. Basically, when I look at a Stantler, I just see a big old reindeerwith a Tumar on his butt and that's it yeah. You know what I'm kind of I'mseeing it now, but I'm seeing it more for the face. Yeah me face also is bad.It looks like it's a it looks like it has like a little beak. You know howit's o like a beak, how some birds they had that kind of like shallow flat beakuhuh. It looks like that and then it looks like the rest of his face. Meltedaround that beak, like he has this big, these big jowels yeah side of his face,yeah I'Sidon't, know he's uncool. He doesn't have they didn't lean enoughinto him being like psychic, and I guess that's probably because they hadshrafp rag and the same Gen, but it's like in my mind. They could have justhad rafric like stayatler right, unnecessary. You know thing they threwin while they're brainstorming, trafric, Huh, okay, okay, okay, I come around to your side.Rhiril I get because the strength of the baby pokon is theire. You know kindof relation to their adult counterparts and elequit has this really strongcharacter to him? So while I don't personally love the design, I can, Ican understand where pokman would be coming from. You know if it is anelectric hokemon like like there is no doubt if it didn't, have the stripingyou know or the electricity sign on the front like. I would understand. Okay,this dude is electric. You know if it wasn't even colored yellow like I wouldunderstand. Okay, this is supposed to be a male plug. You know, but yeah dude, okay, I get it now withthe stantler face. It looks so bizarre, just unbelievable that they approvethis yeah. I baty assurance yeah, so I think we can safely say where's,Gento, Pokmon, stanler, okay, so now we're at th the top of the list, theoriginals everyone's favorites and precious little babies meanthis started it all, and it's goingto end our account down here today. I watched a really unique video wherethey were talking about. Why Gen one pokemon look the way they do, and theargument that they were trying to make is that the design constrictions of thegameboy being in black and white could only really afford to Monica maybethree shades and so two or three shades of gray orblack or you know whatever it is, and so that's why a lot of these pokermonare like two toned or maybe have three...

...colors. The color schemes on the pokmonis very conservative and the whole reason is because they couldn't reallyafford to play with you know too much, considering that they were constrictedto the grazs of the Gameboy right yeah. I think I've seen something like thattoo, and I also kind of leans into why things gotten morecomplex over time. It's the technology is like accommodated that right, youknow for so, since you went first I'll go first, this time I think the answeris kind of obvious. As far as like the worst couple, yeahith me some debate amongst them and for me, the one that occupies the worstspot amongst that group is jinks and Woa. That was not where I was goingreally, I thought Yo. I think I think you're, probably like Teamr mime orsomething like that. Oh well, I always hat Mr Mind, but I just like jinks has like this folk lor aspect toit, and I get that, but it ended up just being like this weird, like kindof racist caricature of just a woman, instead of actually likerepresenting something that anyone could meaningfully derive something outof as a pokemogust kind of crappy, it's there's nothing to suggest that it'slike an ice psychic pokemon at all, especially the ice. There's nothingabout Janks. The suguess has anything to do with ice, and it's just like it's ugly and weird,and it jinks would just make me super uncofortable. If I was in the same roomas it that's fair enough, and it has like aweird cry: Doesn't it yeah it does so unsettling? Okay, I see your point for me. It's a couple of pokemon that they took and they mashtogether to create a new Pokemon, and that is of course, Doug trio andMagnaton. This these represent some of maybe the laziest design that Pokamonhas ever had where they just Tok a poke mine that works magnamite Digalitt theywork, those are Pokemon, they just mash them together and that's a new pokemon.I am not buying it at all. The fact that they recycled that idea alonemakes it more horrific, but those two and I'll put them in a pair becausethey're, you know pretty much exactly the same. Just in different typings.You know just packaged a little bit differently.I just really dislike detrio an magniton yeah, so I guess I'll adjustboth of them and why I don't hate them so Magton, I kind of will give moreforgiveness. So just because, like the magnetic dematic of it like potentiallylike Magnamis, even just got stuck together, that's how they are yeah andright, ND, and- and that's too like I could, if it was just one that wewouldn't be having this conversation, but the fact that they did it twice,and people and Shat are also bringing up wheezing and like you, could evenmaybe go Doduo Dojrio. I don't think you can really do it forgose you go notthe same way. Th same way right. It doesn't hit thisyeah Mark Right. I think, with Doug trio like Dugtrio is kind of like aaddress as like being more independent creatures like when you like, read upon them and stuff so like the desin is like a little lazy, but to me it's likekind of fun. ECAUSE life like Athese, three different diglets that are justkind of like teaming up as opposed to actually e whole squadyeah. So it's like more like diglets, teaming up and kind of like ganging upon people, as opposed to like dont trio being Lin. Actually, it's like myinterpretation of it at least sait's like digglits already, you knowthe perfect Tokemon, as is they need to recruit more to get any stronger. I don't know I like dug Treo antigle. Iespecially like Dickli, dig this one of my favorite fuck Bon. So it's like hardDayingi to to come off that.

I think a good thing. I don't know man.I feel I'm shocked that you don't think. Like Mr Mimer Jenks is one of them Imean Mr Mine for sure, but that that's played out that trope is already playedout and the other two gens. That also have like a Mr Mind.You know form I mean Mr Mimi is kind of weird. YouKnow Ash's Dad I like Tris, but I was shocked at you didn't well. I hate the Galarian, Mr Min morethan I think the actual MSR mind so that I think that alone kind of redeemsthe regular myster mind because they took something so horrible and theymade it weird wort. I saw like that kind of Endars, Mr Mineto me, but as like still a horrible pokeomine,but like maybe not as bas. So what is your counterpoint? Thet Jinks, that? How do I counterpoint the Jinks yeah for a long time is the strongestPokemon I had on Pokimongo. So that's that seems rooted more inpersonal experience that the Fok Bon having married. Well, you were sayingthat you, you know, have bias against that's really uptile, but it wasn'tcause of anything on my team. I just hate heliuptyle, I'm all fair enough.Fair enough, you just looked at and you hated it yeah, basically so we're against. So it's jinks againstany of my choices and I think because of the I think, theGumanesqu nature and the fact that they had to change the Disic, so that wasabout to bring up they had to change the design because it was consideredracist. Yes, yes, I okay, I will agree. Jenks is the worst pokemon in Gen one.If you have to be changed because you're two racist, that you yeahyou, probably you probably suck so just a quick, quick review of ourworst pokemon from Gen eight, Mr Rhyme Gen, seven Bruxish, Gen, six scatterbug Gen, five, the semi trio Gen for Fion Gen, three swallot Gentustantler and the worst spokeman of Genwon jams. There you have it that was actually a lot of fun. It wasreally interesting to hear got thoughts, an Ote. I think we had some really differentopinions and I'm happy. We were able, like true friends, to come together andagree, Yeahtsa te time of dire disagreement. This was this is big. I think BHIG. If true andit was true cool, so that brings our main segment. It took pretty goodamount of time here. We'll take a couple questions from chat. If you wantto talk about pokemon designs or anything POKM ON TCD related well,probably take three to four questions from chat, and then we will wrap up forthe day. We appreciate all you guys coming in and andviewing, if you're inthe live stream or if you're listening at home on one of your podcastingplatforms, you guys mean the world to us and wecouldn't be doing what we're doing without your support so, and I do wantto say Riley too, if you are listening at home here, downloading your podcastoff a podcasting APP. Please leave a review for us that helps us getnotarize notarize that helps us get. What recognized there we go, Orecognizis like Ausul, is it applicable there? I think okay well, in any case,helps us get recognized in the broader landscape of podcasts and so, and italso gives us valuable feedback. So if you hate the podcast, it just tell us,because that's you know one way that we know if we're doing well or not, is tohear your feedback and that's a great way to give us your feedback is bywriting a review. So please do that if you can...

Valera says so, let's explore theinverse. What are your favorites from each gem? I think this was something wewere potentially going to pursue ou at a later time, so you cound definitelybeon look out for that in a future episode. Yes, these are kind of our long,lasting podcast they're. Not One hit wonders you can go back and listen tothese ten years in the future. To remind yourselves of what we thoughtwere the worst spoke bon and it'll still be fresh stilll, befresh ten years into the future. Wallace asking will haxers ever got atwo FRIS card honestly, if it hasn't got one by now, I'm a little nervousabout its prospects. Moving forward, it does seem like there are somepokemon that they like deliberately try to keep out of the card game. For Idon't know the reason, but it does seem like a lot of these cards kind ofcenter around some of the more popular players. You know I think of likeArangaru, Charzar, blastoy, even to an extent yeah. I thought Haxers as a kindof a popular pok, Monis Gen. it was pretty cool and it did have like amoderately playable card and by moderately I mean like t or three yeah,so very moderately, let's see what pokemind do you want an evolved orbaby form of Oo? That's a good question. Yeah, I think there's a bunch ofpokemon. They probably could use an evolved form because they're just like kind of at the moment, I could just getimproved. I think Giraffrick is actually a really goodcandidate for getting an evolution of some sort. There's like a lot of coolideas that they could pursue as something like that. One pokman that I'd want both a babyand an evolution for is done. Sparse. I think dunspars is super lonely and Ican only imagine a baby done, spars being like unbelievably adorable andsomething that I would just hove as like. A as like a plushy or something,and then in ovolv form of done spars, just because duns pers, as always, felt like thatpokemon that's had all this potential and then never did anything with ityeah it does fertia as weird because he caught it in like the dark, cave orwhatever and Gento, and it was like hard to find a very rare respon, but itdidn't so it made you feel like it would do something and then it neverdid. It was just pokmon's way of trolling.It was like a like a nine girl, yeah, that's funny, Toa darkness, ask what is your favoritesesh worst place of the remade like the aloanangle, Ari Pokmon? So what is your?Let's do the worst and theme with the episode? What is the worst galarianform and will discount Mr Ryme and Mr? Oh Jeez. Can you remind me some of theother galarian forms, because I actually haven't played that game. Yetthere's the ymask there's I life the goon line. There's I like that. I thinkthe galarious areactually pretty good. There's the mouth line. Yeah, the aloly wating yeah alolans had like right cou, it had muck, it had merriwak big player in the Alolan game, there's Alsi calar in Rapadash, AOL andnine tails, I'm struggling because those are allpretty good. I would say the worst one for me would be the Galarian wheezingline, I kind of like the smoke seck tem. No, it's like it's good, but I thinkthe other ones are just better. Like I link at Alolan nine tales that thingjust slaps like what a great Oni tals might be like one of the the premierlike regional bariance. I think I think to me a Lowan, Sanslash kind of missedthe mark. It didn't really convey an ice metaltype to me and just kind of odd it didn't quite getthere. I think it was if it was like a...

...little bit better it. I could have gotthere, but it didn't quite get to like the thematic core of what they weretrying to trying to pull off, and I thigurelonly Dotrios pretty man. Ithought they were funny, so there's a he. They definitely were that comedicelements, a everything and there is like there was like actual like logicthat they had because, like near volcanoes, there's like these fibersthat'll, sprout off o rocks or something something like that. So, likethe hair had a logic to it, there is the logic so thethe fact there was some sort oflodic to it, made it kind of cool. To me I don't know Huh so yeah you reallylike the the POKEMON. They have kind of these real world connections. I meanthey all do in a way, but that really draws you to, I think, justlike having some sort of like themadic core. That, like is at the center ofthe design. The POKEMON is good. You know that drives it forward. Some oneneeds to consider a pokemon like stantler. There's, no like thematicessence to it. You know it's just a guy with antlers, but if you look atsomething like you know, a lowland nine tales, it's like this mystical Ice Foxand they like foxes, are already kind of like fascinating, like wondercreatures and and like the ice, is always considered.Like a mystical kind of thing, you know, IC is special in like the fantasy world,and so it makes sense, I don't know, go cool, so I think we're about reachingthe end of our podcast for this week. Thank you all so much for listeningagain. We appreciate every single one of you. Please do leave a review like wcalled out earlier. It is very helpful to us to get your feedback and know howthings are going and with that we will catch you all next time. This yeah.

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