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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 2, Episode 10 · 2 years ago

2-9. The Worst of the Worst

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are ready to debate. This week we find out who the worst Pokemon from every generation is, with some obvious winners and some special surprises.

Everybody. Welcome back to tag team, the POKEMON trading card games premier podcasting Duou. My name is Riley Hulbert and I'm joined by my good, good friend JW crew. All, JW, how we doing today? Riley? I'm doing great. I had a really nice day to day help my wife do some obs things. She was recording some out of town musicians for a story time that her orchestra has. So usually what they would do at this, you know, time of the season would be go out into the libraries and assist the librarians in there, you know, daily story time sessions. But obviously, with the shutdown of basically all of society, they have to do it more online and then broadcast that out through, you know, the appropriate channels. So I helped her with obs, obviously a very difficult program if you have no idea what you're doing, and I was kind of her tech for today, so that was nice. I always like getting in the weeds of that technical stuff too. It's kind of fun. Yeah, problem solving, although when the thing doesn't go perfectly you're always like, you know, wonder, it's always like a personal attack. Yeah, it's true. You know, you know because there's there's just with the musicians, like they're recording on maybe not the best sound equipment and so, you know, sometimes it doesn't turn out. You know, the audio quality isn't like the best, but it should work. But it's like, you know, you always want to go for as high quality as you can and then if you know that it's not as high quality as it could be, then you know, you're left a little bit disappointed. But I think we got some good takes, we got some good content and I think they'll be really happy. So what exactly is like the assistance with this reading? Are they adding like atmosphere to the stories, or are they you know, physically reading stories? Yeah, exactly. So they'll have a librarian, or in this case, Anne will read a book and then, in response to the different you know pages or themes in the book, then the musician will play according to that. So, you know, just things to kind of add a little bit of mood, add a little bit of yeah, so intrigue and then they get to kind of show off their instrument a little bit too. They have like a little, you know thing with the with the kids generally, where they show off. Oh, this is you know, the bassoon or this is the oboe and this is what it does and this is how it works, and it's just very educational in that way too. Yeah, sounds really wholesome, very wholesome. I'll send you the video. You might like it. Yeah, I probably would. Well, sounds awesome, man so greatly to spend a day this past weekend, or was it the weekend before? You were involved in that limitless tournament where I was. How did that go? Well, it was. I originally said I wasn't going to play in it because I just didn't I don't know, I wasn't feeling it that day. We had a friend in town and I was like hey, we should probably hang out with him. But then I got a little bit of extra news that full grip was going to sponsor players that did well. You know, they're going to give us a little bit of extra support if we write placed, you know, in the top x number of people, and so I was like, Oh, you know what, this is a little bit more incentivising to play in this tournament, and so I said okay, I'll do it, you know, and if all goes wrong, it's a free tournament and I can just drop after you know, round eight or something, you know, after I get a pretty good idea of whether or not I'm going to be able to make top cot or not, and so ended up joining. It was fine for the first two rounds, but I could kind of tell that if it had gone on like that, there was no chance of US finishing. And it wasn't so bad for the Americans, or at least the East Coast Americans, because eight o'clock start time, the first two rounds went about an hour each. But you just have to think about, you know, if this was a worldwide tournament, those people that are, you know, starting at, you know, eight pm right in the first two rounds are two hours like there's no way they get to sleep that night and we just kind of I'm going to pause, knew that it was there.

For people who may be listening and don't know the full context of the limitless tournament, can you give a little background us to what that was as well? Yes, so the limitless tournament was the invitational set upon wells given to the Pokemon community by the limitless TCG team, and they wanted to make an online series to bide our time, to you know, to give the Pokemon community, some outlet to play Pokemon, and so they created a series and the first qualifier was supposed to be last weekend. Unfortunately, we hit a couple of snags. Things just got going a little bit too you know late. The rounds took a little bit too long and at one point before round three, the entire system that they had used to pair everyone and keep track of results just crashed and so, as you can imagine, that creates a lot of headaches, a lot of problems, and so they decided to just postpone after that, which, you know, very understandable. It was very ambitious of them to, you know, say hey, we're going to have this qualify for about one thousand three hundred people, and I was shocked when they announced it because that's just an amazing amount of people to coordinate on one day. But it looked, you know, promising. I was excited about it. The first two rounds, again, they went a little long, but ended up having some issues with the with the pairing system, and so we had to postpone, but I'm really looking forward to it. They are going to reschedule the first qualifier for the eighteen and nineteen of April. So if you are interested in the limitless tournament, probably the biggest online pokemon tournament that, yeah, I mean might ever happen, then that's when it is and I'm looking forward to I think I'll play in that one as well, and we'll hope that they get the the bugs ironed out. It was really ambitious start and I wish nothing but the best, because I think it's a great resource for a lot of players. Yeah, I truly would love to see something like this succeed. It's sets a precedent right, if they're able to make it Besser, then it's possible and more people and to make this work, and I think too, is like again ironing out the bugs. If they're able to do it one time and it's successful, then it's those results that are going to be able to be recreated in the future. So it's always hard to do these kinds of things the first time. You know, you wonder if they had maybe wanted to, and I don't know the backstory, but like if they if you know that you might have problems with the server, maybe, and maybe they did this, but maybe you contact the server before the tournament. Like those are just the little things that you wouldn't think about until you actually do it. Yeah. So, so if they can pull it off, and I have full confidence that they will, but if they can pull it off, it'll be a huge boon for our community and something that we can do again and again in the future. Yeah, and I would love to see that for the community, because not only just for this time of like turmoil, went online is the only way, but having more ways to engage in pokemon and and connect to people, especially internationally, right because this isn't something we can normally have any sort of access to. Now it seems like a great opportunity that limless is pushing the mountain reis on. Yeah, and it, I mean it seems even sustainable throughout a season where there is physical game. So that's that's what's exciting to me as well, because, you know, maybe on those tournament weeks that you have a regional you know somewhere in the country, then you could also pair it with, you know, this online experience from you know, limit lists or another third party, and I think just those possibilities are pretty exciting as well. Yeah, and I know we've talked quite a bit now actually over the last few episodes about, you know, continuing to work and I'm proving...

...the client and of course that would help to stream on that process make it easier and more accessible. I would really love for Pokemon to be, you know, accessible, viewable esports experience. Yeah, that would be obviously and but at least outside of the client like taking those steps with tournaments is is awesome. So, you know, full props the limitless guys. I'm sure they'll iron out the kinks and get something going. They'll I'm sure they'll have a delivereral, pro pro product the end of the day. Those guys are are smart and talented and some of the best players as well. So yeah, I can't wait to see what happens in a couple weeks for sure. So for this week on tag team outside of the world of competitive Pokemon, especially because the limitless tournament is delayed for another week. So we might cover a little more about decks and stuff that week. But for this week we thought we do something a little fun and JW and I were kind of mulling over ideas and eventually we came to this one. So you'll have to let us know what you think, but we decided that we're going to share with each other what we think is the worst pokemon and every generation, and the goal of each generation is to kind of sell the idea to the other person. So, for example, if in Gen one I think Pikachu is the worst pokemon and JW thinks charm unders the worst pokemon, we are going to stay in Jen one and not move on to gent to it does that to be a hundred percent agreeans, but I think someone has to concede. That's yes, I would agree, I would agree or they have to change their opinion about that pokemon. I think that would be a good yeah, you know, you know that's some amount of give before we's like to move on. That's right. So that's like the core concept of what we're working with. We both have a notepad or you know, or Docory on our list of some sort of our worst pokemon of every generation. And I don't know, gwd wanted to do this. And in order do you want to do reverse order, like how do you think woould be fun to do? I think I think in order would be perfect. Let's go jen one to jen eight. I was talking before the Stream. I think Jane Aty is probably the easiest. Yeah, to do well, for at least for me, do you know? Get One more good then to go like backwards, like start at eight and go to one. I okay, I see what you're saying. Let's be like like one is more beloved it as well. So, like, so everyone can't wait to you to say about it. Yeah, right, all right, I feel you. I feel you. Let's do it. Okay. So, JW, you've been out spoken about your choice for Jan Eight, so I don't think it'll be a surprise. But now, I think, for you, know, for the viewers and listeners, what is your jet eight failure? Well, I do actually think that there are two that are pretty bad, but the worst, I would say, is ice que by far. Ice Cue is a an abomination of a pokemon. If you don't know what ice q looks like, imagine a penguin with an ice cube for a head and one little hare sticking out of that ice cube. Okay, so there's a lot of things that I hate about it. First of all, you're just taking an ice cube and you're taking a penguin and you're smashing it together. That sucks. That design is terrible. The the face on the ice cube isn't even interesting. It's just like literally a block of ice and it's yeah, kind of like a smiley face, like kind of deadlooking almost. And then it has a little hair, which I really don't like to associate with ice cubes. I really don't, you know, when I think about ice cubes or water, I generally hate to think about hairs. And going further, why would it have a hair? Because it's a bird and birds don't have hair, they have feathers. So I don't know if that's like the first concern that you should bring up. Okay, so you're not a fan of ice cue to make a lot of strong points. So what's the second, you know, honorary mention? My second is pretty easily Mr Rhyme. Mr Rhyme, and I think I'M gonna get a lot of hate for it, but Mr Rhyme, to me,...

I don't know what's going on with the wing things, like I kind of get the top hat or the hat and the cane and the big shoes, like it's kind of looking like an English man. But why you got to have the red belly? Why you got to have those weird eyes next to the belly? Why I got to have the wings. I'm just not for it. Mr Rhyme, you're a you're an FTIER pokemon character. Okay, that's interesting. So I think that's like a good ridge to me. So what I was looking at them, there were two that stuck out to me, and Mr Ryan was actually one of them. Okay, not for exactly the same reasons, but first I don't know if Mr Mine needed a sequel. I think he was kind of fine. Mom Junior was worse enough to second off, I just generally am not a huge fan of like the super humanoid Pokemon, and I don't know if that's just me, but like when they start to really get humanoid, it's like this is weird. Now it's unsettling. Yeah, and it just like it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Like, you know, Mr Mime had the cool like miming and like box creation stuff, and Mr or Mr Mom galary and form had like the TAP dancing motif. But like what is Mr Rhyme? Dude, he's just like a dude the cane. He just became human. Yeah, it's a I don't like that Pokemon. It's it's weird and unsettling. I guess it's the best word. My second pick, and I don't know if you'll recognize it's on name drop, but I think shootle, absolutely so tootle. Socks tootles so bad. Socks tootless because, like, you know, you think bag and yell. We were promise is cool Turtle Pokemon or like, oh my gosh, like this is sick, dude, like, you know, he's water rock and and then I you know, I'm playing through the game. I had didn't spoil any of the POKMON and I get to like route to and there's a freaking shoodle there, like, Oh my God, you're like I have to get this to get to the cool pokemon. Yeah, it's like there's so much wrong with you. Like his little buck teeth kind of bother me, but I don't think that's the worst offender. I think the worst problem with him is his code head. Dude. Oh, the cone head. It looks like he's a very good dunce cap two seven it actually it looks like he is like an upside down ice cream cone, Kinda like that's what I think of, like with the little squiggle on the headpiece. It's just absurd looking. I just dread not a super cool but tootle, like what the heck? And like his little blushing cheeks or whatever, like he's not a Pikachu, like what's what of those cheeks doing? Yeah, don't make him that cute, like don't. He doesn't need to trainings like this weird univrow kind of looking thing. It's just, you know, go away, tootle, like go away. Yeah, if that POKEMON didn't exist, I wouldn't be sad. It could just dreadnog could be like a basic pokemon, you know right, that you just catch later in the game and it would be fine and no one would notice the difference. That's why I'm saying, dude, that's why I'm saying all right, so we have two big contenders here. I mean, I agree with you with the Toodele you you don't agree with me with the ice cu, but that's okay, because it does have this like, I can concede. It has this really kind of cute and fanciful asthetically about. So something I like in Pokemon a lot is theming. And yes, ice Q is cute as well. But like I like the idea of like, you know, in the game he gets like fast, his ice falls off and he gets faster, but then it comes back on in the hail. I think it's like really interesting and cool. Sure, so, even though like his designs kind of whatever, like he has like a cool theme to him, which to me makes him better than something like toodle, which has nothing. So okay, so you you like the toodel are you don't like the Trudel and you...

...don't like the the Mr Rhyme. I'm going to say we agree on the Mr Rhyme enough to move on to Gen Sep. Okay, I think that's fair. Yeah, Mr Ryan also sucks. That's her. I'm horrible POKEMON. Okay, so I'll go first for John Seven. That, Jeffer seven, was a really exciting time for pokemon. You know, the first DS game, going to this Hawaiian region, all the Pokemon they were revealing leading up to the game. We're so cool and so exciting. I Love Jen seven on paper, and then I get to the game and things are still cool, like a lot of the Pokemon I saw I really liked, but then I get to the end of the game and I encountercrevomitable. I think everything about this pokemon just bothers me. It's so, so bad. Oh Right, Xi was on the three days beforehand. I was like completely miss the mark. They're but like excellent, oh my gosh, rebound will do like he's furry for some reason, and that's weird. He has like pause where he's like clause. Go like why do they have a popprit? That doesn't make any sense. Well, he's a he's supposed to be like a snowman, an abominable snowman, but he's a crab, but it's a crab, so it's like you could at least give him pincers, man. It's just I mean, you know he's a snow I mean, I kind of get it. The thing that bothers me the most about the crab is that the face is so not like well defined, that the little like blue, I. Silhouette and nose like that could be the face, but then also the bigger white part could be the face, like it just does. He also has like this awful haircut thing, like this is like feels like the yeah, dule cut that was just looks like his mother like took poor scissors to his hair. It's, Oh my goodness, what a bad hook. And he has is like a chest piece kind of look a thing which, okay, it's just you like what I mean? It's kind of like a BRA little bit. Yeah, it's kind of like he hasn't moved. This is what it looks like. Yeah, maybe I don't know. or well, it can be female, right, so I just think it out or moves, you know, like in my mind, like pokemon kind of even they can't be both genders, but like identify them as like one of the other. Usually. Okay, Robin's definitely like a male pokemon in my mind. Okay, and those are enough for sure. Fair enough. Yeah, that haircut, dude, no, no selfrespecting woman would be caught dead with that. Are so I'm saying. Yeah, I hate Chremomita Ball. That's fair. Okay, I like it. I like where your heads at, because that wasn't a pokemon that I had. I had overlooked, I had forgiven him of his his sins. I had overlooked him a little bit. For me, the worst pokemon by far. They just jumped out to me as Bruckish, I forgot absurdly horrible Pokemon, and I think it goes back to the unsettling part of Mr Rhyme, where it just has like these lips and the eyes that just shouldn't be on a pokemon. Like I shouldn't look at a pokemon and like be wondering, like is this sexy? Like I should think that about ructions. I shouldn't have those thoughts. You know, that's all I'm saying pokemon. I don't think anyone else has those thoughts about broxish. Really. I think we can ask chat and they would say no, they would say yeah, Dude, not. I know that there's a subsect of people that are questioning our question in that. So for me, Brooksish is just an absurd pokemon. Just horrible, horrible design. The colors don't really make a lot of sense. Like it's as this weird mouth, like the mouth that the mouth wasn't. These lips, these big old lips. Maybe I would like it, or maybe you would redeem the art style of the character, but just just I can't get behind it. I cannot...

...ugly pokemon. Zero out of ten. Yeah, please nuke. Yeah, that's fair. I'm probably going to concede to you that Bruxis is horrible. I forgot about Brooksish, to be honest. That one did about proxy I guess it's liked it. From my memory, yeah, brucks, this is is awful. It reminds me of this, of that. So, like, I don't what fish is this based on, because there's a character in the spongebob episode that looked also like this. I couldn't tell you what it's what it's based I don't know if anyone listening, or rich hat remembers, there was like this episode of Spongebob where they went to the karate island and there was that one female karate fish who had like the chapter lifts. Do you know I'm talking about? Um? Probably you might like. I'm really you saw. I would know it if I saw. I think if you saw the seed, you remember I'm talk about editor. That reminds me of Bruxish. So, like, clearly it's based on something. But yeah, you're right, abominable, a bottle pokemon. I will tend to Ted. I'll agree with view that this is the this sheer overside of my part, commatable second place, though. Yeah, yeah, I hate carbominable to that sucks. All right. All right, so that Gen seven. We've wrapped it up. So we have so far on our list of worst pokemon, Mr Rhyme and Bruxish. Those are the two. So moving on to Gen's six. Gen Six, I had a very easy time for this because I also consider this not to be the worst pokemon but also one of the most forgettable Pokemon, and stop me if you've heard this one, Riley, but for me, the worst pokemon of Gen six. No, it's not Quilldin, very good up there, but it is scatterbug. Gotter bug, scatterbug and SPUPA are just to Pokemon that I have no idea how they came to be. SCATTERBUG is probably the most forgettable pokemon that I have ever seen in my life. It's this very beige color. It's got three little hairs for some reason, a little tooth for some reason, I don't know, a little hares what's going on with it. It's just a very boring pokemon. It's it looks like something that a child could draw and I don't know, I just always hope that pokem on like puts more effort into their designs than SPUPA and scatter bug. You See, I kind of disagree with you there, because all, I think, all of the like bugs that you get out of the gate are usually relatively uninspired, but I think Vivian is actually one of the coolest of the final stages of those bugs because it has well, that's I mean, and that's kind of like that dichotomy right, because you you look at scatterbug and spup and they just suck, and then you get to pavilion you're like wow, this is a really beautiful, well thought out pokemon. Yeah, so I see where you're coming from that, like, especially amongst the bugs, like scatterbug is probably one of the least interesting. Like even catterpies like got this cuteness factor and worm pull is like kind of has an interesting design, but then you get to like scatter bug and it's just, you know, you just hanging out part of the squad, like. So, yeah, I get that. I've in terms of forgettableness, I think he's up there. I think there's a couple more pokemon. There are more forgettable something for me that I just I really can't get over this pokemon for some reason is, I think, helioptile like sucks. I don't know if I have like a great reason for I just like it. Just I just hit so it's so punchable. Yeah, I like it's very I think helioptiles is super forgettable, like, I don't know, it's not like it's got a kind of unique design, but I would never remember it...

...besides the fact that it's forgettable. Sure, right, and for that back alone it's rememberable. I. You know, it's kind of a weird, weird cycle that we've got her. He's kind of stupid looking, like I he would not be my friend if I encountered him, that's for sure. Okay, I don't know. It's just not a huge helioftile fan. I'd again, I don't really have like a lot of reasons for it. He just sucks. Okay, so a few criteria that I have for these pokemon is, is it lazy design, and I think that is definitely true of helioptile. I mean it, you said it was kind of unique, but like it's just a salamander looking thing with like the end. Yeah, I don't even know if it's a salamander looking thing. It's a reptile of some sort, right, obviously we get that from the name, like the Helio list. You know, that's obviously based on those like frilly lizards, but like yeah, I have to. I was like a dog lizard, yea. And then there's nothing particularly interesting about the like the body of the Pokemon is just like the same, with the ends like cut off and replaced. Right. It looks like he's wearing a little gloves and a little like tailpiece and a hat. Yeah, and I don't know, like usually I think uninteresting pokemon or more forgivable if they're like cute. Like he leoftile isn't even cute, like it's it's like you said, it's punchable. I Got Punch of you. Lift Up. HMM. It's if heliof tow like runs up and tries to cuddle your leg, like I get off of me and like kick it off right right, you know, you know, like a charmander's just that. You know, it's just the lizard with a firetail, but like that's cool and cute. It's like, yeah, I would embrace the charmnner, but I would definitely swat off the iliotile. I think Gen six definitely had some stinkers. I look here, quill it in reaches out to me as a stinker. barbarical is definitely a stinker. Yeah, Jen six was definitely a little underwhelming on the pokemon front. Yeah, gotta Sing, gotta say, and even the legendaries like Zideguard. What are you doing? Yeah, but certain it also were super cool. They were, and that was the problem. Is that it had a lot of really high pokemon like Sylvian, amazing pokemon. You know, trevinant, I would even go to say like t'revinant great, Greatming, I think. No, evern really nice pokemon. I altil's earniest, Great Pokemon, and then you have just some of the lowest, I think, of any of the gens. Okay, so where do you think we're landing? Have you budged it all on heliatile? I mean I just can't get over because I think he lely of tile is kind of a lazy design, but I feel like scatterbug is an eating lazier design and like to me scatterbug looks less like a pokemon than Helio tile and I just I I just don't like them. I think I agree with that, that it looks less like a pokemon than he lived at all. I will say I dislike you know, on terms of like a friendship factor, like who would I rather be friends with? I would definitely rather be friends with scatterbug then heel. That's so. It's interesting and I kind of I think I agree with all your points. But who is the worst then? Well, I think in the two out of three categories, for me it's got to be scatterbug. HMM, I think I'll be willing to concede it just because I have like a personal vendetta. I got celeotile. This is me. You're recognizing that as opposed to like thinking of it's like rooted and logic. All right, worst gen six POKEMON TAG team is crowned. SCATTERBUG. Good riddance. All right. Gen Five was an interesting one, the second generation to be featured on the DS. It was kind of like the black sheep generation. Had A great story but, you know, was otherwise kind of the forgotten child. JEM five was also kind of like trying to Mimic Jen one all over again. was kind of the vibe they were...

...going for. So they had a lot of like weird takes on Jen one POKEMON. I felt like it's interesting. What what are you seeing as some of the parallels? I'm just I'm still just coming in this. It was really a deliberate thing. So and this isn't like one of the worst pokemon, but so jen five. The whole thing in the original black and white games is you could not you could only catch pokemon from you Nova in that okay, so like and it had, I think it had a hundred fifty pokmon as well, and Gotcha. It's so it was like literally trying to like recreate the Gen one experience for like a new generation. was kind of the idea, I think. So an obvious example is trubbish and garbodor to grimer and Bach is like a pretty easy one to draw, but there's there's plenty of others. They don't like immediately spring to mind, but they're they're. For me, though, I think the the worst is a three way tie. I love that. I think you know where I'm going with this. I love it. I think Simmy's here, simmy's stage and city poor, just the worst bit lazy. They're boring, their horrible. They're just not interesting. It's it sucks. They all suck. So you don't like the Simmis the second stage. So do you like the initial stage? The pans a initial steps, hears from camp, or least the initial stage, I think, is at least cute, okay, whereas the Simmy's are like these weird, ugly abominations that are just as boring, but it they're not even cute anymore. Okay, okay, I see where you're coming from, because I'm looking here at the at the semiseer in particular, and he just looks, yeah, it's like a pot is said, like yeah, it just does. Don't look it doesn't look like a strong pokemon. You know, you're not looking at this and you're not saying like man, that's a Pokemon I want on my squad. Yeah, they're all very forgettable, all very just bad. I think. For me, though, Jen, this Gen was pretty easy, and I hope you haven't forgotten about this pokemon. But for me this one gets like such lazy, like such a low score in design that I think it might be the lowest of the category for me of all gents. Wow, and that's rock and roller. Oh, come on, man, give rocket rough break. Rock and roll. It is horrific. Rob I like rock and roller. Speaking of parallels, the whole rock and roll along was the was the goal of line and that, yeah, yeah, and the like line was my champline. Rock and roll. It doesn't look like a pokemon. Okay, it has no features that make me think, Oh yes, this isn't alive being. And so for me the Rock and roller just horrible. Pokemon it looks like a little soccer ball for those of you listening at home with out, you know, access to a screen for no reason at all. But Rock and roller, it just is this black mass with like a like a little indentation. It's kind of like a moon crater, and that's supposed to be what it's I it's mouth, nobody knows, and then it has like a piece of rock sticking up the top and it's got two little feet rocks, and that's it. I don't know, man, I just it's like kind of got this unique cuteness to it. To me it's a rock, dude't know, it's kind of cute. Like bold or could be the stage one and then Giggleth could be the stage two, and I think we'd be like Oh there, it's a lot of sense on the stage or, I mean and bolder could be the basic and giggles could be the stage two or stage one, and we be all, I'll be like that makes so much sense. I understand that pokemon line. That's a very good I don't know, man, rock and roll it it. Yes, there's not a lot of design going for it,...

...but it's like I don't like the curvy kind of esthetic to it, or it has like just the two little legs that it walks around on and it's just like this cute little round thing, whereas, like I just this seems are like the leafitely bad, you know where it's like we talked about like overhumanizing pokemon earlier, and so for me the Rock and roller represents like an under humanizing like this thing has no quality that I can relate to in any way. See what I think. So I think it's okay to go on that direction more than it's okay to like make it completely human, like my end, if you're going on design like effort, it's like rock and I tried to say this, like rock and roll it is like maybe lazy. I think he's actually kind of cool, but this city is unique. Are Like malevolently bad, right, like someone had to think that this would be a good idea. I'd put it to pay for and like submit this because, like you know, rock and roll is like if you're going to say rock and roll is lazy. The cities are just bad. You know, they're awful. You know, I'd rather have something lazy that gets to see than something I put a lot of effort in and got a death. Okay, I you know you've brought me to my knees. Riley, I will concede the Sammy's are worse than rock and roller because at the very least for rock and roller is that it is unique. It is unlike anything else. Like I just look at this Pokemon, I'm like, there's no other pokemon like this and that's what makes it suck. But you're kind of looking at it like there's no other pokemon. That's what makes it great. Yeah, exactly. Whereas we both have a I at least I have a healthy dislike of the simmy's, you have a pure hatred and rage towards the Simmy's, and so I'll give it to you. Man. All right, that's fair. I think a lot of POKEMON fans will agree. The cities her horrible. Just their hair. What's going on with the hair? Yeah, I don't know, man. The poop on the semi sear like this is bad poem, not good. So taken to the Gen for the start of the DS era pretty exciting time as well. You know, a lot of people got I feel like a lot of people got out of the Games in like Jen three and then came back in the DS and for whatever reason, there's just like where they were in their life and jump for was a lot of fun. I think there's actually a lot of good pokemon eagen for a lot of cool ideas. Yeah, and they definitely did a good job at like expanding some older Pokemon, like they do something that was like that was a really cool time. I was definitely when they did the most like, you know, expanding upon old lines. Besides, maybe jen eight, I guess, kind of did a similar thing. Surepeth let twist right. So let's start with you, JW. What do you think is the worst Gen for Pokmon? This this might come as a bit of a surprise. I I have to I have to okay for Jen for I hate Mim Junior. It was kind of kind of hinto that earlier. I hate the whole Mr Mimelne, but Mi'm junior, dude, it just I hate it. I hate it so much. And then I really, really, really dislike our first legendary to be announced. FIONE and manifee interesting. Those pokemon to me. I don't understand them. So, you know, boomer alert and they just they don't offer anything interesting to the game. I don't I don't get them. Feon supposed to be a baby man of fee but it can't evolve and I like can't breed. Like, I don't I don't understand it. What is the whole point? And our work just feels like I can't even. I can hardly tell feon and man Ife a part. If you put a feon on the screen and you're like what is this? I I feel like...

...fifty percent of the time I would have just get yeah, so that's a that's fair. I kind of like my junior. I think I could maybe start Eke into you with Fon, not, I think man if. He is fine, but the addition of feone was awol choice, I think for me. I just I really didn't like the pro ugly line. Like you know, we already pokemon keeps doing the cat thing. You know, it feels like every other generation we have a cat and Glammy I was whatever is, you know, just the stuck up cute cat and I get the idea they're going for with Prougli, like, you know, the snody cat that gets really fat and like doesn't let anyone get into business. But like the design just felt, I don't know, boring and not interesting. The POKEMON isn't memorable and like any sort of meaningful capacity besides it just being fat and ugly and stupid. Yeah, it's not a pokemon you'd ever one your team. It's not a pokemon that has anything like really going for it, like, it's not a pokemon that has ever had a trading card about it, least the ham one that we can like point too. It's just like just pure like forgettable pokemon. And like Jenfer actually had some of the most forgettable Pokemon of my opinion, I think. Yeah, one of, if not the most forgettable Pokemon is FIA. Is a fine on, you know, yes, but I like, I kind of like that about fine Oni. Just has this like thish charm to him, whereas par ugly has no charm. You know it, they did deliberately took out the charm. Actually, yeah, they made have no charm. So, yeah, I just can't stand that thing. It's just it's ugly, engrossed and I hate how the team Galactic boss has one it's and that's really a shame because I look at the clammy out design and for me I like it. You know, I like the glammy out and what it has going on. It's kind of this sleek, slender cat, you know, it looks like it's up to no good, kind of like Persian from the original series. And then, yeah, you get to the prougly and it just fat, ugly, no real redeeming quality to it. The whiskers are kind of weird. I don't know what they're going for there. Maybe it's supposed to be like like some kind of steam or something coming out of their cheeks. I don't know, but it's bizarre to say the least. Yeah, I agree. However, I do think Phi and has a good case. I think man if he is fine. And keep in mind for the first four gems they leaned actually, in the first five gens, the they have like the me, you archetype right where it was like every generation had the me of the generation that had a hundred based as across everything and looks more or less like a Pixie of some sort. And so there was like new and to Cella be and to Geraci to manafee into Fictini and then it kind of stopped, I think. I don't think there was one of her gen six. So I kind of like man I feel like it fit that bill well. I liked how it was like a water type. It is kind of different than the psychic types that had preceded it in that kind of category and like it had this cool like healing power kind of idea and I don't know, kind of made sense like thematically. I feel like waters associated with healing in like fantasy media. Sure, so I like that. I and I'm sure there's like some kind of like deeper like folklore reason for it, but I don't get theon like why does it breed and why is feon exist it? It seems entirely unclear. It's like not a pre evolution. It's just like deformed baby. It's like the yeah, it's like a zebo donkey kind of thing, you know, or it's like it yeah, but it's not even right and it's but it's not even like you could ever read to man a fee together right. Could you got a man afitting breed? I don't think so. It has to have to bread it with a DIS IE stake. It's like a it's...

...like a Zee. It's one of those like Zeeber donkey kind of things where it's like a vomination that wasn't meant to live. Can't read, you know. Yeah, it's it's just weird. I don't get it. And it's like objective. Just looking at his design, it's just like a worse man IFEE. It up if you put Fiona Manafie side by side and point to the one that's worse, not knowing like their names, that's the FEO. Yeah, right, right, exactly, exactly like I imagine feon and man if you are like Fion, being like a rejected man of feed design, and then they're like well, I got a you need one more Pokemon, you know, let's just throw this in. Yeah, so I think I'm willing to. Could see doon. I don't okay, I don't think I was. See the point of Feon. Is this kind of okay, let's POKEMON. Good, good, worst gen for pokemon. FEONE. You heard it here. So let's go back into a recap here. We've done five generations, so Fione, and then we have the SIMMY's from Gen six are just give me Gen five, and then Jens six we had the healy up quite scattered bug, scatterbug from Gen six, and then from Gen seven we had brusish, of course, and I finally, from Jen eight we had what do we have from Jenny, Mr Rhyme, but I think true, Mr Roath. Mr Rhyme. Yeah, you're right, Mr Rhyme, that sucked. Pokemon stir. Okay, cool. So now we're getting into like the nostalgic kind of generations of pokemon Ja, just one through three. The harder, the harder generation they are harder. I especially kind of struggle to gen three. I would is just going to say the same thing. I almost felt like, I feel jent three kind of did pretty well actually, and I if there was a perfect generation and like I didn't I didn't have any particular affinity for Ruby and Sapphire. For me personally, I felt like they took a lot away from what I loved about our golden soul silver. I don't know, there just wasn't as much of a uniqueness to it and I guess the time of my life I just kind of felt like Ruby and Sapphire weren't really top Tier Games, but then I look back at the design of the Pokemon and they are generally very strange. Yeah, Jef three has a really awesome pokemon, like. So this was tough for me. So I'm kind of curious, like what you put is your worst? Well, you, you should go first. Okay, we'll keep alternating. So for me, I struggled and so I you know, I it might even be worth like another pass over it to be sure. But I hate swallow. You, yes, that's me. That's me. I put Gulpen, but swallow to like table Sun, I think I like. So I hate swallow more because of his like is angel hair and noodles, like for some reason those just bother me, you know. Yeah, yeah, like imagency that in person. There's like in front of you and you have to like touch them or something like it's gross. Okay, that's okay. Yeah, I mean I think we kind of it's just a kind of like ugly, gross, unpleasant design like and granted it's not compared to some of these other worst pokemon. I feel like it's not even close. But I just don't like swallow. You know, Goldpin kind of as well, but I think swallow is worse than Goldpen. Okay, okay, it's like the thing about swallow is that it's trying and that's maybe what makes a worse like Gulpin, you know. Okay, it's just they had a little blob, a Green Blob, and they put a little feather in it, like it's kind of cute in a very like unsettling way, but that's swallow. They actually, you know, put a little bit more effort. There's kind of more detailing. There's a lip thing that is just enlarge. The eyes are little, you know, endless seeds as a little, you know, pattern across the mid section. They tried with that one and the Fu man shoe is not enough...

...to redeem it. Swallow, you are the worst spoken in genter that was exciting. A little bit of a syncretization there. That's right. I wasn't sure if we'd ever hit one. Oh, we did, we did. I'm glad we did, though. But but going back to jent three, though, it very solid design. I really did have a hard time, I did to taking any pokemon down a notch because I look at them and their own they're all really good, like I, and thematically they all kind of work and and there some that are, you know, intentionally ugly, but it makes sense because they have enough design concepts that keep them relevant and interesting. So really good jen for pokemon design. I thought. Yeah, and I know I might be coming from a place of bias personally, because that was kind of like my true childhood game, like I played pokemone red, yellow, gold, silver and crystal like on my game boys. But you know, this is when I was like an elementary school and I'm making actual, like formative thoughts about my opinion on Games in general and, you know, actually playing something for hundreds of hours, and that was like Gent three was that for me. So right, right, but you know, we still came in the same inclusion, even with very different opinions of Gent three. So easy enough, cool. So Gent to. You know, I feel like Jed to is very lot of generation, but I think gent to actually had a lot of underwhelming pokemon. I think Gentio is kind of overrated on the whole, and I think so. There's one there's one pokemonline that I don't necessarily want to dock for the design of any individual pokemon, but that's, of course, like I don't think we can go away from bad design in Gent to, without even bringing up remorade to actillery. That makes absolutely no sense. Those pokemon are not related whatsoever by any thread, and so to have that be, you know, representative of Pokemon, it just doesn't make any sense to me. It's kind of going back to the fone man of fee discussion that we had. It just I don't get it, Dude. I don't get how remorad goes into actillery. It just doesn't make any sense and from a design perspective it's just absurd that those two pokemon are in the same family tree. I get the idea they're kind of going forward. It's like Memorai is a still and octillery is, you know, a cannon or artillery. But like the way. But what's? What is? How is remorate a pistol? That's what it's supposed to be. Let's the idea. There's not, Yo, oh my gosh. But that being said, it's not obvious enough. I don't think. Yeah, I had no idea and think there's no like connection. Like maybe there's a middle form that like fridged remen octillery. It would be easier to like understand that. Dude, mine blown. Yeah, because it like snipes things and it's like yeah, oh my gosh, that's amazing. Okay, so I think we redeemed remoraide for okay, well, we're deem memoraid for me, then. You know, that wasn't my worst, but I did have to bring it up in terms of design. My worst one of the babies. You know him, you may love him. I hope you don't, but for me the worst baby and the worst pokemon, a gent to is El Kid, elkish I just he kind of sucks, but he's got some charm out of that. I'll Ele kives is so easy to pictures this like this mischievous little rascal kind of thing. Oh, sure, all the babies have this kind of like yeah, mischievous, like I don't like. I feel like. I feel like like eagly buff is just like, you know, cute, having a good time, whereas Elekid just like mischievous and causing trouble at I mean it definitely has a good character to it. Yeah, like you said, it's very strong, you know, personality to that Pokemon, but I don't think that's enough to redeem it from the from the male prongs on the top of a Ted I like just it's a plug, I understand, but...

...it's just like an orb with a plug. I don't know how lazy you can get. I think Ellikott is actually fine. And then how does it evolve into electibus? Like where did the prongs go, dude? I don't know. They kind of came back with the elected higher. That's what I'm saying. It just doesn't make any sense. But I think for me the worst has to be stantler. Dude, like what sailor has nothing going for. You hate stantler. Yes, tailor sucks, Bro pull up a picture of sailers. I could reference it specifically. So, like stayler has literally nothing, man, he's just he's just like a antler reindeer, dear kind of thing. It's and it looks like he should have some sort of like psychic element to him, because he has like these spears that like glow or something. But he does it. Yeah, and it's just what he but he does, though, not really just a normal pokmon. No, but he learned. He learned a bunch of psychic stellar game, feels like to psychic, which, like you know, he's just a crappy. He's a got this big old it looks and from the side, it looks like his tail kind of looks like he has a tumor on his butt and instead, okay, and I don't Oh man, it's so he's basically, when I look at a Standler, I just see a big old reindeer with a tumor on his butt and that's it. Yeah, you know what I'm kind of I'm seeing it now, but I'm seeing it more for the face. Yeah, the face also is bad. It looks like it's a it looks like it has like a little beak. You know how it's not as like a beak. How some birds they had that kind of like shallow flat beak. Uh Huh. It looks like that. And then it looks like the rest of his face melted around that beak, like he has this big these big jowels, yea side of his face. Yeah, it's I don't know, he's uncool. It's doesn't have they didn't lean enough into him being like psychic, and I guess that's probably because they had your raft egg and the same Jean, but it's like, in my mind, they could have just had draft egg like stadler right, unnecessary, you know, thing they threw in all while their rainstorming draft for Egg Huh? Okay, okay, okay, I I come around to your side, Riley. I get because the strength of the baby pokemon is there, you know, kind of relation to their adults counterparts, and Ellik Kidd has this really strong character to him. So, while I don't personally love the design, I can I can understand where pokemon will be coming from. You know, it is an electric Pokemon, like, like, there is no doubt. If it didn't have the Striping, you know, or the electricity sign on the front, like I would understand. Okay, this dude is electric, you know, if it wasn't even colored yellow, like I would understand. Okay, this supposed to be a male plug, you know. But yeah, Dude, okay, I get it. Now, with the stantler face, it looks so bizarre, just unbelievable that they approve this. Yeah, body assurance. Yeah, so I think we can safely say where's Gen to Pokemon, stantler? Okay, so now we're at the top of the list, the originals, everyone's favorites and precious little babies. I mean, this started at all and it's going to end our countdown here. Today I watched a really unique video where they were talking about why Jen one pokemon look the way they do, and the argument that they were trying to make is that the design constrictions of the game boy, being in black and white, could only really afford to Monika maybe three shades, and so two or three shades of gray or black or you know whatever it is, and so that's why a lot of these pokemon are like twotoned or maybe have three colors. The color schemes on the pokemon is...

...very conservative and the whole reason is because they couldn't really afford to play with, you know, too much, considering that they were constricted to the grays of the game boy. Right. Yeah, I think I've seen something like that too, and I also kind of leans into why things have gotten more complex over time. It's the technology is like accommodated that run, you know. For Sis, since you went first, I'll go first this time. I think the answer is kind of obvious. As far as like the worst couple, yeah, with maybe some debate amongst them, and for me the one that occupies the worst spot amongst that group is jinks and Whoa. That was not where I was going really, I thought. I think that I think you're probably like team Mr Mime or something like that. Oh well, I always hat Mr Mind, but but I just like jinks has like this folklore aspect to it, and I get that, but it ended up just being like this weird, like kind of racist caricature of just a woman and instead of actually like representing something that anyone could meaningfully derive something out of as a Pokemon, it's kind of crappy. It's there's nothing to suggest that it's like an ice psychic pokemon at all, especially the ice. There's nothing about Jinks, this who guests, has anything to do with ice and it's just like it's ugly and weird and it Jinks are just make me super uncomfortable about. was in the same room as it. That's fair enough. And it has like a weird cry, doesn't it? Yeah, it does. So unsettling. Okay, I see your point. For me, it's a couple of pokemon that they took and they mashed together to create a new Pokemon, and that is, of course, Doug trio and Magneton this these represents some of maybe the laziest design the pokemon has ever had, where they just took a pokemon that works. MAGNAMITE, diggle it, they work. Those are pokemon and they just mash them together and that's a new pokemon. I am not buying it at all. The fact that they recycled that idea alone makes it more horrific. But those two, and I'll put them in a pair because they're, you know, pretty much exactly the same, just in different typings, you know, just packaged a little bit differently. I just really dislike dug trio and Magneton. Yeah, so I guess I'll adjust both of them. And why I don't hate them. So magneton I kind of will get more forgiveness to just because like the magnetic the matic of it, like potentially, like magnamized even just got stuck together. That's how they are. Yeah, and it right, and and and that's too. Like I could if it was just one that we wouldn't be having this conversation, but the fact that they did it twice and people in Chad are also bringing up wheezing and like you could even maybe go dojuo Dodrio. I don't think you can really do it. Does I'm not the same way, the same way right, doesn't hit this yeah, mark, right. I think with Doug Trio, like dug trio is kind of like a addressed as like being more independent creatures, like when you like read up on them and stuff. So like the desire is like a little lazy, but to me it's like kind of fun. It's like like these three different digglets that are just kind of like teaming up, as opposed to actually the whole squad. Yeah, so it's like more like diggle's teaming up and kind of like ganging up on people, as opposed to like don'trio beingles. Actually, that's like my interpretation of it at least. So it's like diggle's already, you know, the perfect pokemon as is. They need to recruit more to get any stronger. I don't know, I like dunk trio at diggles. I especially like diggle. Take this one of my favorite pokemon. So it's like hard day to come off that. I think I could bang. I don't know, man, I...

...feel I'm shocked that you don't think like Mr Mimer Jinks is one of them. I mean Mr Mime for sure, but that that's played out, that trope is already played out in the other two GEN's. That also have like a Mr Mime. You know form, I mean Mr Mimey is kind of weird. You Know Ashes Dad. I like Mr Person, but I was shocked at you didn't. Well, I hate the GALERIAN Mr Mime more than, I think, the actual Mr Mimes. So that, I think that alone kind of redeems the regular Mr Mind, because they took something so horrible and they made it weird, wor I so like that kind of endears Mr Mime to me, sure, but as like still a horrible polk com on, but like maybe not as bad. So what is your sound point? The jinks? Then how do I counterpoint the Jinks? Yeah, for a long time, as the strongest Pokemon, I had on Pokemon go. So that's that's these rooted war in personal experience, that the Pokmon having married. Well, you were saying that you, you know, have bias against that's really uptile. But it wasn't because of anything on my team. I just hate heliotile. I'm all, fair enough, fair enough, you just looked at and you hated it. Yeah, basically, so we're against. So it's chinks against any of my choices and I think because of the I think the humansque nature and the fact that they had to change the des that's what I was about to bring up. They had to change the design because it was considered racist. Yes, yes, I okay, I will agree. Jinks is the worst pokemon in Gen one. If you have to be changed because you're two racist that, yeah, you probably, you probably suck. So just a quick quick review of our worst pokemon from JEN eight, Mr Rhyme Jen seven, Bruxish Jen six, scatterbug jen five, the semi trio Jen for peon jen three, swallow lot, gent to stantler and the worst spoke amount of Jenue jings. There you have that was actually a lot of fun. It's really interested to hear your thoughts of all those different Pokmon. But I think we had some really different opinions and I'm happy we were able, like true friends, to come together and agree. Yeah, to the time of dire disagreement. This was this is big. I think big if true, and it was true. Cool. So that brings our main segment. It took pretty good amount of time here. We'll take a couple questions from chat. If you want to talk about pokemon designs or anything POKEMON TCG related, will probably take three, two, four questions from chat and then we will wrap up for the day. We appreciate all you guys coming in and and viewing, if you're in the live stream or if you're listening at home on one of your podcasting platforms. You guys mean the world to us and we couldn't be doing what we're doing without your support. So, and I do want to say Riley to if you are listening at home here, downloading your podcast off a podcasting APP, please leave a review for us. That helps us get notarized. Notarized. That helps is get what recognized. There we go right, you're recognized. Is like a useful is it applicable there? I think okay. Well, in any case, helps us get recognized in the broader landscape of podcasts and so and it also gives us valuable feedback. So if you hate the podcast it, just tell us, because that's you know, one way that we know if we're doing well or not is to hear your feedback, and that's a great way to give us your feedback is by writing a review. So please do that if you can, Valerio says. So let's explore the inverse. What are your favorites from each...

Gen. I think this is something we're potentially going to pursue at a later time, so you can definitely be on the lookout for that in a future episode. Yes, these are kind of our long lasting podcasts. They're not one hit wonders. You can go back and listen to these ten years in the future to remind yourselves of what we thought were the worst pokemon. I know, still be fresh. Still be fresh ten years into the future. Wallace asking will hackers ever got a too FRIS card? Honestly, if it hasn't got one by now, I'm a little nervous about its prospects moving forward. It does seem like there are some pokemon that they like deliberately try to keep out of the card game for. I don't know the reason, but it does seem like a lot of these cards kind of center around some of the more popular players. You know, I think of like a Wrang Guru, chars ARD blast choice even to an extent. Yeah, I thought hackstress is a kind of a popular pokemon. Is Jen. It was pretty cool and it did have like a moderately playable card, and by moderately I mean like tier three. Yeah, so very moderately. Let's see, what Pokemon do you want to evolved or baby form of? Oh, that's a good question. Yeah, I think there's a bunch of pokmon that probably could use an evolved form because they're just like kind of yeah, at the moment, it could just get improved. I think giraffe rag is actually a really good candidate for getting an evolution of some sort and there's like a lot of cool ideas that they could pursue a something like that. One pokemon that I'd want both a baby and an evolution for is done sparse. I think done sparse is super lonely and I can only imagine a baby done spars being like unbelievably adorable and something that I would just love as like a as like a plushy or something. And then an evolve form of done spars, just because done spars is always felt like that pokemon that's had all this potential and then never did anything with it. Yeah, it does. Fresh is weird because he caught it in like the dark cave or whatever and gent to and it was hard to find very rare spawn, but it didn't. So it made you feel like it would do something and then it never did. It was just pokemon's way of trolling. It was like a like a nine girl. Yeah, that's funny too. Darkness asked. What is your favorite's worst place of the remade? Like the lull and a glaring pokemon. So what is your let's do the worst and theme with the episode. What is the worst glaring for and will discount Mr Rhyme and Mr Oh Jeez. Can you remind me some of the other Galerian forms, because I actually haven't played that game yet? There's the Yamsk, there's I like the stagoon line. There's I like that. I think the Glarians are actually pretty good. There's the mealthline. Yeah, the a low lay waiting. Yeah, a lowlands had had like right shoe, it had muck, it had merri whack, big player in the alowland game. There's also glaring, rapid as, a little and nine tails. I'm struggling because those are all pretty good. I would say the worst one for me would be the GALERIAN wheezing line. I kind of like the smoke stack them. No, it's like it's good, but I think the other ones are just better. Like I look at a lowland nine tails. That thing just slaps like whatever. Great all that sails might be like one of the premier like regional variance, I think. I think to me a lot. And sand slash kind of missed the mark. It didn't really convey an ice metal type to me and just kind of odd. It didn't quite get there. I think it was. If it was like a little bit better, it could have got there, but it didn't quite get to...

...like the thematic core of what they were trying to trying to pull off, and I think it a lowly dog Trios Pretty Mad. I thought they were funny. So there's heavy like they definitely were that. Comedic elements. Yeah, everything, and there is like there is like actual like logic that they had because like near volcanoes or just like these fibers little sprout off of rocks or something something like that. So like the hair had a logic to it. There was a logic. So the the fact that was some sort of lotted to it made it kind of cool to me. I don't know, Huh. So, yeah, you really like the the pokemon that have kind of these real world connections. I mean they all do in a way, but that really draws you too, I think, just like having some sort of like the matic core that like as at the center of the design of the Pokemon is good, you know, that drives it forward. So we need to consider a pokemon like standler. There's no like thematic assence to it. You know, it's just a guy with Antler's but if you look at something like, you know, a low and nine tails, it's like this mystical Ice Fox and they, like foxes, are already kind of like fascinating like wonder creatures and sure, and like the ice is always considered like a mystical kind of thing. You know, ice is special in like the fantasy world, and so it makes sense, I don't know, cool, cool. So I think we're about reaching the end of our podcast for this week. Thank you all so much for listening again. We appreciate every single one of you. Please do leave a review, like tow called out earlier. It is very helpful to us to get your feedback and know how things are going, and with that we will catch you all next time. Peace. But yeah,.

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