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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 1, Episode 3 · 2 years ago

2b. Expanding Our Horizons

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Right everybody. What is up welcomeback to tag team with our first bonus episode? This is only going to be onaudio platforms, that being spotify Stitcher itunes. Is there another one I'm for getting toW Google Moogle? Oh yes, fresh on Google as well, and so JW is obviously out this pastweek did Aaron did a wonderful job, but we figured we'd also talk some moreabout some other things and also incentivize you to listen into ouraudio platforms. So, as part of our first bonus episode, we thought we'dfocus in on the expanded format, so iave see no reason not to jump rightinto it, expanded its coming up in the next couple weeks we have Richmond andPortland and short succession both in the unified minds, expanded format, a lot of different decks and differentstrategies are poised to do well, depending on who, you ask, I think wehave lots of people in the Muso camp, lots of people in the archies camp, LosPeople at dark camp. Some people in the control and Camp Expanid seems to havebirth, a wide array of strategies that could all seem to do well, depending onwho picks it up and haw. The list look Gw you've tested a lot of expandent sofar haven't you. I have yeah. So what? What pushed youto delve so deep into the expanded format so early on? Well, there's just so much that you cando. I made a list of just every possible deck that I thought could seeplay now. That could be like a Tiar one archetype, something like blastoise or Moutu, all the way down to those kindof counterdeck or rogue decks like you know, maybe Hitmon Chan or you know, even like a Malama orsomething, and I I counted over twenty different variants. You know differentdecks that you could play and expanded and that have some type of merit in theexpanded format. So obviously, when you're talking about twenty plus decks, that's just a ton of information, a tonof different cards, a ton of different interactions, and I wanted to getreally deep into that. To not be, you know, fooled when the time came to notlook at something and not know what it was going to do to me when I got to the tournament. So thatis why I've deled so deeply into expanded, and it's really been a funtime. I got ta say so. I know that you, more than maybeany of my friends is, are someone who likes to jump really deep into a deckand figure all the intricacies of it all of its matchups really in depth, asopposed to testing a wid array of DEK, at least in my experience, so I knowtest a lot of guardof our and with the Mutu megagard of Ar Bariat. That is,and that seems to be your top deck in the moment. So what kind of brought you to thatstage? I mean in the standard format. It feels like all the decks. I don'twant to say Sant are Sami, but they're like a similar power level. You cankind of pick any of them up and they all feel decent and you to obviouslystands out compared to the rest of them. Expanded those theres so many differentCambos and so many different things you have tou account for. How did youreframe your mindset to get to the point where you're testing a deck likethis? Well, that's kind of it. There are somany choices that I almost feel like it's best to make a decision in the expanded formaton a deck that you know is like near the top and just run with that find out. Itsweakness is find out its strength and just dig dig dig into that deck. Youjust have to make that choice. That initial choice, I think, is soimportant because you know I have testing groups. That say you know.Turmo dark is really good. I've testing groups. That say you know of courseblast voice. Is the number one deck and like? How do you decide? You know? Howdo you decide? I really think that,...

...when you're testing a format as wideopen as expanded, you just want to take that one deck that you feel veryconfident in after your you know, initial play through o the of thesupposed Meta and just dig really really deep. So I just I just think itcomes down to there's so much to choose from you can get lost in the choice. You know you go to theGrocery Store and there's twenty five different brands of peanut butter. Howdo you make a choice? Well, for me I'll pick, the one that this one is on saleseems like a good choice, I'll take at home and then maybe next week, YeahkowI'll go out to the other one. That's on sale. I think what I'm trying to say islike you can get paralyzed by choice M, and so you want to try to avoid having kind of a flavor of the weekwhere you say. Oh this week I love this deck and then your friend is like ohwell. This deck plays really good and then you try that and then you're likeOh yeah. This is the best stick and then you go to this other deck andyou're like oh well. Maybe this is the choice and then you go. Maybe this isand you just start running in circles yeah. I know I was actually that's.Something actually specifically wanted to talk about today is, I know, atleast in our personal testing groups. We get caught in traps a lot, and Ithink this affects a lot of different people where, even if you're deep,diving into a deck you can get caught in these weird logical, loops. Goodexample of that is, you know: e'remaybe we're playing amoutue deck of some sort and expanded, and all of the sudden on the latder youhit one crazy deck. Maybe, like you hit that Hanchco Greensdeck or somethingand you'r. If yjus, like Whoa Hoy, wait a SECD. Is this even a viable deck likeI just got destroyed by this horrible haunch cow deck or you know whatever,and I think that's another aspect of it like besides getting paralyzed bychoice, also recognize that there's so many things going on that you can't account for every singlething in in the choice that you're making whul. You agree, yeah yeah, that that'sa really good point, that's a really good point, and that that's why I likeyou know to take it from a general philosophy back to the singular deck.That's really why I like the Mutu Deck, because it has all these kind ofdifferent options. You have ways to play just about every single match: Op,it might not always work and you you know there are certainly someweaknesses, some very strong weaknesses to the deck, but you have a way to playevery matchup and- and I like that, a lot totally totally so. We've been testing the mutudeck a lot,but for a player s coming into expanded,how would you recommend that they choose a deck to delve deep into? Yourecommended that as a strategy but there's obviously a huge ray ofdifferences that come between these FORMAS, whether you're a new player orseasoned veteran, it can be hard to make that transition from event toevent. So you personally seem to have made that transition fairly smoothly.You're playing in standard events consistently will also plugging away atexpanded. Are there differences you have to account for, and your mindsetand your testing in your general framework that you approach deck whenyou look at expanded sure? Well, the expanded format? I willsay you know it does favor the experience. So you know the oldest cards in theexpanded format are cards that were, you know, being played in the in theDEX. When I was getting into the game, so I know them on a very intimate levelmost of the cards in the expanded format. That date, you know before our current standard, and so you know, I think it does help to justbe acquainted. You know so so the expanded format is going to favor thethe experience player. That said, if you're a new player, I just kind ofalmost think of it as two different games, so you have your standard format.It has its set of you know guidelions...

...and outcomes and decks, and then youhave the expanded format. Whole different thing. It's like a wholedifferent game to me, and that has its own. You know archetypes and decks, andcards and Combos that are just better in that format, and so I think, identifying being able toidentify those is clutch very key to to figuring it out. You know, and so howdo you figure out the format? If you're not used to it well, I think the firstplace that you would go to try to figure out what deck you wantto play is just to go to past results. Now it's not the best when we'retalking about a kind of a blind, expanded format, and all I mean myblind is that there have been. I think two sets release since the lastexpanded tournament right, that's what I was. I US yeah just go back to what has done wellin the past and then try to adapt those strategiesfor the current Meta. So a great example of that is archies. You knowthat was the deck that's been around for a long time. There are list thatyou know day back to two thousand and fifteen, so you can go back and look atthat. One archetype and you know if you have any semblance of social mediapresence. You'll know that people are talking about archies, blast voicesbeing a good deck, and so you can kind of see how the list Haf evolved kind ofsee what strategies people have used in the past and then see how you canupdate those lists to handle the you know handle the future. I guess I would like to flip that back on you,because, obviously Riley you also have had good success in expanded yeah. Howdo you go about? How do you go about choosing decks and how do you go aboutthinking about the expanded Forman Yeah? I think I think more than standard, even I liketo grind and expanded, because there is so much going on and I like to get agood familiarity with how the formats feeling at the time, because expaniccan shift pretty dramatically as sets come out, but its also interesting aswell, how much it stays the same. I guess yeah good points being archisetrevenent night march, sizemetod variance, they've existed and expandedforever, and it's more about like kind of tailoring those base,fundamental strategies of doing lots of damage of getting out the blastoics andusing a variety of attackers to map out your prizes or lock strategies. Thoseseem to be like the big kind of staples of the expanded format right and so mepersonally. What I like is I kind of like a more tempo focus trategy. Iguess you could say without that kind of keeps up and consistently will dosomething over and over again. So that's what drew me a lot to ZORC earlyon well, not early on, but in previous years and expanded. I was really drawnto this arc because you know you do a very consistent strategy and you justdo it really well and you can respond what your oppon is doing and not somuch have to have to worry about being countered,because you have a variety of tools to deal with a varity of situations and ina moderate day I think th. The equivament of that is just astraightforward, like Guardin Mutudeck, that you know it does consistent damageit. It has like t a healing aspect to it. If you want that, if and so that's that's something I likeis that tempo strategy, other players are really drawn to an aggressivestrategy. You know being someone who is asking the questions of these otherplayers. So for those players, I think strategies like night margin, archiesare really good fit and those are shaties that somehow have survived all thesedifferent updates and changes to cards and strategies and expanded. So that'skind of if you're into that, that's where iould recommend picking up and,of course in expander, there's a huge variety as well as control strategies.So, if you're, a player who likes to...

...play something like sylvi on in pastyears or someone who likes to play more like Celdeo, Staldex, there's plenty ofof wall or like a Rangaroor type deck as well, that can lofe your point outof the game and I think all of them have their have their own merit. Andit's a matter of. I think you. If you can narrow down tolike which archetype it, you the best and then slap the deck that the bestDec for that rercetite for the tournament. You'll find the mostsuccess, because I think every single expainoftournament we' seen a variety of dexs do well right. I don't think there'sbeen xpan O trement. Probably since, like the Dallas Day s we've seen complete domination on Techie, you knoweven we've seen stuff like nightmarch, Travand archies all make top aid of of a regional in one regional, and that waslike those are three completely different ways to approach the game. SoYep. I think I echo what you're saying Iguess is what I'm getting at is there's a lot of things going on. You shouldfind the one that fits you best and then and just master that and becomereally good at that also an expand. I think there's justthere's a lot of people who aren't willing to take that time and won't beas familiar with their decks and so even an matchup Er. You might otherwisestruggle if you have a really good grasp on it and have the right list,you can wiggle out of a lot of situations with any deck, especially soly. I couldn't I couldn'tagree more therge yeah, especially with cards like you know, adding the formatwhich IIS, of course, a more reliabledesructive aspect to reset stamp, also serving us a drog hard. I mean I'vetested so many games in the latder. At this point, where I, and even just inthe past coupl day, is fore, I've been able to end people amount in sayingcomebacks and that's one of the that's actuallypretty satisfying. I think you know as as much as people like to hate on end, I kind of like it and it's. It feelsless gn than reset stamp, sometimes sure yeah. Absolutely I totally getwhere you're coming from with that all right. So if you're, the you know, if this is your firstregionals you're going to regionals for the first time it's an expandedregionals, it's Virginia, you know what would be your advice tothat player that they've never played oregionals before and their firstregionals is going to be expanded. What would you say to them? One thing that I would be sure thatthey're aware of is that even though games might end quickerturns are longer, so we harp a lot on this podcast of beingaware of, went to scoop and like being aware of the situations that you're inand I think that's more important and expanded, because time is such avaluable resource I mean first furns can take five ten minutes easily Ye, mostly the fault of battle,compressor, an Shamean as opposed to anything else. But still you know thisTryn to take a while. Another thing I would keep the mind isthere's just going to be a huge variety of decks, so you might you might hitgood matchips. You might hit bad matshups, there's only so much you cando about it as long as you made. The best call that you felt like was forthe tournament and we talke. We talked as well beforeabout how it's very easy to have completely different days, depending onyou know, just the person and how they enter the tournament even at the samerecord. Very round and expanded is way more guilty of that, just becausethere's more decks. So you might make a great call for that tournament, and itmight just not be your tournament, but you should enjoy for what it is andtake that as a learning experience to because there's all sorts of cool playsthat have an Expan, I think it expanded the best players Wen. More often, we saw a pretty much completedomination by DDG last year because they kept making the correct calls andpicking really awesome lists, and nobody was really prepared for that.

I guess that due diligence that DG hadput in Yep is there anything else that youwould. You would look to to say to a new player and expanded. Well, I would just say in terms of deckchoice. Just choose. I mean, of course, choose a DEC you're comfortable with,because there's so many decks out there to choose from you know, but I would say, secondly, is choes adeck, that's consistent, jhes Adeck, that's consistent! We come to expanded and you know I'mcertainly guilty of doing this, but I try to like tech for everything and IUA in a lot of cases. I end up going a little bit too far and I hend up makinga list. That's taking out consistency cards in favor of cards that are specifically useful andvery nich matchups, and so I would just say if you're going to you know yourfirst regionals in Virginia or Portland, just choose a deck, that's going to do what it does. You know almost all thetime don't go in there with a deck and a list that is overtectd or you know,has less consistency just just going there with the most consistenist thatyou can build tha. You feel very comfortable with, and I think you'regoing to see a lot of success, because I do think a lot of people are veryguilty as M. I of kind of overteching or just adding unnecessary cards kindof having a lot of fluff just keep it really tight. Keep it really consistentand you should do pretty well and I I definitely agree. Theconsistency is what you should aifor first, especially because it's so easyto make a really really consistent deck and expanded if you don't mess withyour engine by trying to slaught in text. But of course, TEX are so valuable andexpanded as well. I mean pokemon probably has the strongest tech carsout of any card game if I had to just say so off the top, at least amongstthe big ones, so sure how much value do you put upon text? Are there certaintext that you're valuing more than others right now or do you think it'sbetter just to only apply Tho consistency approach and go and kind ofwith his vanilla as possible at the moment? Well, I can only recommend text ifinexpanded, particularly if they can help you in a variety of matchups. Soif you have a tech card and you're thinking about playing it, but it onlyhelps in that one matchup and like it. It only helps in that one matchup. You really need to take a step back and ask yourself: Isthis card really worth it? Because again, you know you could just gothrough that nine rounds and never play that one deck that you decided to teckfor and all of a sudden that card is, is you know, wasted, slid or wasted twoslides or you know, however many slots you dedicated to tecking and justbecause the formats so wide open you just never know you can never guaranteeyou're going to hit something. Now, if you're tecking against like a a tierone archetype and and that's the only way your deck can beat it, then youknow maybe you're Havi a different discussion, but I would Ay make sure that your textthat you choose to play actually have value in other matchups. So I know I have my own opinions onthis. What are text that you find personally valuable in your currentunderstanding of the medtagame? That's not saying necessarily that those werethe text of play for Portland or Virginia, but just based on what you'reseeing right now, the vives you're getting for the format. What are thethings that you like to slid in deck? Well, one thing I've been thinking ofparticularly today is we've seen a lot of, or at least I havea lot of turbo dark both on the ladder and from the expanded Cups,particularly in Florida. So one card that I'm just kind ofthinking of is like a Seudowudo I feel...

...like Suduwudo is just a generalgenerally good card. Yeah no kidding. You know because we think about theexpanded format. As you know, you can go through your entire deck if you wantto, if you want to now what what you end up doing with that varies dependingon the archetype that you're playing. But you know you could play your forShamin play Tedenna for your turn. Batte compressor, obviously, is huge.You can run through your entire deck, but that's only helped if you have thebench slots to play your foreshame- and you know your Dedenna and all yourbackup attackers and things like that. So I really like Sudowudo as just ageneral tech against that can kind of help against archies andobviously helps against Zoric basdex yeah. I think TERBIDARC is the one thatill be most impacted by Suto and I'm sure you would agree I with Sark, maybebeing a second place. Sotho oric seems to be kind of lower key deck right now, notnecessarily a Loer tier deck, but it kind of less favored by players. At themoment, yeah I've been kind of seeing like a shift towards blastois as kind of thefavorie like. I feel like a lot of people. Think. Okay. Now I have theturn one cross divide via sbondoxes in my blastois deck, and I can justdecimate the board in a way that mad walelord couldn't do because of thingslike Mr Mime or mew with bench barrier right. I man, so we're kind of we'rekind of seeing the blastoise players come out of the woodwork and say heythis. This might actually be a very, very viable deck. Now that I cancounter the biggest threat that I had more easily, you know, obviously that'sthat's garbador, and so you know we're kind of seeing retreat. I feel likefrom people giving Zork its due diligence in testing yeah. I mean t eSbon Doxis if you're actually able to get that off consistently, it'sbasically a a archiops in the with in the formofattack. You know you just can't evolve because you're all your evolutiononvoke monare going to get wipes forst tern. That's that's! Obviously, yeapretty rough for these evolution decks. Do you think evolution DEK or are stillviable in a metagame where that is possible? Or do you think that it's notconsistent enough or you can dodge it enough where you can still play decksthat rely on evolution? Personally personally and I again, ifyou're having different results, then I'm more power to you, but personally Ido feel the format. Is it's so extremely fast that Zoric may not be able to hold up? You know, I that's not to say that ifyou've been testing Zork- and you know you're very confident in it- like I'm,not saying don't play it, I'm just thaying. For my experience, I reallythink that the format has sped up to a point where yeah an evolution. Deck such as orgarbador, really doesn't hold a lot of weight. The other thing we look at tois that with just the HIGHHP of tag teams,now, Zoric isn't as threatening of anattacker, garbador isn't as threatening of an attacker just because you know you think ofsomething like turbo dark a garbador has to take. You know they need so manyitems to hit into a tag, team, Yean, inches or tag. So that's that's verytough on the deck just kind of those little shifts just make it that muchmore unfavorable. To the point where I I personally wouldn't recommendsomebody play an evolution deck in you know for this regionals yeah,that's the vibe i'me kind of Gettinto, I'm trying to test out some of the RorkBas texs, but if he don't feel they have the same oof they used to shiftingthe conversation back t the text, though we called out Sudoudo which, spurredthat discupsion on the Zarr,...

I like the Sudawudo another tech thatI'm personally aliking and I'm curious. What you're input on this is. Is I'mliking Gerefforegg a lot from lost thunder it's a really great answer to Meu totax or free under Dimension Valley, and you can get rid of some attackers. Evenif it's not the even if it doesn't completely shut themdown, you can limit their options significantly and for some dexs itdoesn't even matter to give up that single prize. You Know Right another TAC, I'm liking, hurt. Sorry. Another reason that I likethe GIRAFPR EG is. You can just randomly stunt on some decks by gettingrid of some valuable resources. Like you know. Let's say: Aguzma ends up inthe discard pile and they only play the one you might be able to remove thatfrom play and all of a sudden, you have complete control over the pokemonthey're knocking out of return, that's for sure not entirely uncommon. Youknow that is not an uncommon scenario for that to happen, and you know there's a huge vriety ofsituation or drafis use, one of vessecrer based format, basically evenstuff, like nic arth, you could stunt away to nemarshers and that might becritical to some other, an hackouts later in the game. So Ly Absolutel I'm liking the draft. Alot is there, have you tested the giraff or do you like the draft, or doyou think it's maybe a waste slot? I mean, I guess it just kind of dependson the deck like I was. I've been thinking about it in Mutu, just because, generally speaking, your opponentsgoing to try to knock out to MOU to and then if they have to go through. So,like the the fourth and fifth prizs, don't really matter so I've been tryingto think of various one prize attackers that could kind of Slod into the deck, and so draftfrig is you know.Definitely an option has some nituse generally speaking, and I was alsopretty good in the mirror, but yet no DREFFRIG could beinteresting. I mean you definitely need to figure out how to play with it, andyou definitely should also figure how to play against it. One thing that Iwould yeah one thing that I would recommendto players is, and this is just kind of a general overview format. Look is likeknow all the different cards. That's so like you know, JW. What kindof Adviceis ot is that yeah not gonna lie. That's not that's, not a gold. One traffing is one of those cards that youdefinitely should should be aware of, and specifically how it can affect youand just being able to play around it. So I think, like a deck like me to hasenough attackers in the deck that it can overcome even even to of draft Riggs attacks, but what itcan't overcome is you know them using draft rig at you know exactly the righttime when you've overextended your resources into the discard or you've. You know made some silly mistake. Youknow yeah, you can really avoid being punished by GIRAFFRICG. If you playyour cards right, yeah, that's something I've been trying to practicerecently as well is whenever I'm playing the mutudeck just trying to becognizant of if to rap is possible. How does that affect me? So more recently,I got in the habit of even though it feels good to Bo tto compressor awaycertain things like, for example, both getting bothguardies in the discard pile, I'm trying to avoid that right now and tryand save one off to the side, because what would really be unfortunate is omy poin ont whips out ar random diraffe and all of a sudden, I don't have a asolid attack to use for the rest of the game. Well, T'. Certainly in Game Oneright, certainly in game one, you do that Wa a little bit more on thecautious side. And then you know you play that first game, one and, and yousee, okay, they don't play giraffe. I can be a little bit more liberal, butyeah there that first game or really make sure that R you're playing Thoyour outs and you're, not giving your opponent at Layup with you know, stupidcards like that yeah exactly so that's another card, that's another tech thatI've really liked. Alongside that suitof Woudo, some other things thatexist, but I'm not a huge fan of name. I think, namely when I think of thisI'm thinking of Pokamon Ranger.

I was just going to say that YEP yeah,it's like the card is okay, but it just it feels that's my car,that's literally useless and matchups that aren't tailored for it. So we'rethinking stuff like shorteon and stuff like like seizemantode and Noibern, is theonly real situations. WHER yourever ranger. Do you put any value on rangerright now or do you think it's better off? Staying in the binder? I think rancher wasn't really that goodlast format when we had SISMOTOD, you know when Seisol thod was a hugepresence in expanded. I don't see it coming back. I don't see it being agood tech. This format either yeah, that's certainly the vibe I'm gettingas well. So that's a is there any other text rather before we move on that youwant to hit on or does that is that kind of the main ones you be looking atright now, nothing I can particularly think of in a general in a general way.Certainly there's always going to be kind of deck. Specific text that youcan play, but even then nothing is really jumping outto me, is something that I haven't seen content created about sure sure so,moving away from Tex. I think the last thing we might want to hit on before wewrap up for today is just getting a general sense of opinions on the Metaso jw you have richbond coming up. I am going to Portland as well. What are thetop five decks that you expect to see in the room at that tournament? Notnecessarily your top five picks, but the top five decks. You expect to see yeah wow, I don't want to sound like very. Idon't want to sound stupid, but I didn't you know exactly prepare. Thisis like off the top of my head, but you know I have decent idea here. That'sokay, I would say I would say turbo dark for me. Would one blastoice that'sto, I would say Mutu in some variety either I mean probably the guard of orvariance because I'm a little bit biased to that. But there's also youknow, there's also definitely going to be something revolving around Muto andwelder and expanded, and then I would say people are stillreally clinging to Peek Aron from what I have seen and then I would also say some type of like weird one prizefighting deck so be that Buzz Gar, shrine or Hitmon Chan. Him on Chan waspretty popular in the last expanded format. For Whatever D, so people, AiYeah people always like to pay peop little ISO fighting guys. I H. I thinkthat is a good counter. The buzzwoll shrine garbdeck and hit Mon Chan. Thoseare good, like foils to turbo dark into some extent good foils to Archiese. SoI expect some like one prize fighting deck to to be pretty popular yeah. Thatmakes sense on the flift side. I think my answerwould probably Echo Yours, I think Turbo Darker Archiese, if I had to sayone, I think arties will probably be the most popular deck had to give anExpande tournament right now and then Termodar, probably Takeng upthe rear there. I wuld look at MOU two decks being thethird unless, unless you clump them all together, but I think people areshifting pretty heavily towards kind of youtube. Guardifar tool, box kind ofdecks seems to be at least on the ladder where I'm seeingthings shift even outside of my personal friend groups and testinggroups. That's the VIBE I'm getting so that would be a solid third place in. Fourth, I think stuff like Sablei, is ringing true with a lot of players orsome kind of like degenerate item...

...recycling control Dack, so either rangOris, sure Sav. I because people are really reing to use those cards thatare about to get banned, which peole talk about Yeahn or podcast is comingWednesday and then in fifth place I wel ecline to agree I's going t besome kind of one prize deck. I don't know if that's going to take the formof aggressive one price seck like like nightmarch or Respequin, or in the formof a more tempowe one like buzz, garb or Himmonchan, but I think something that trades really well hit. TETACGteams will probably operate on that fitslite and then Pikram is also kindof like a an HM honorable mention kind of thing. I Wu throwin there. Peoplereally like be gram. It's also a really easy deck to build. If you have thestandard deck, because it's very similar is throwin, some alixers andhonestly cust played, as is, if you really want to yeah yeah. One thing. One thing I don'texpect to see is a lot of welderdecks. I kind ofmentioned that I think probably the only viable archetypic could evenpossibly be in, is when paired, with Mutu and in a toolbox style deck. But Idon't foresee welder being an archetypeer or a supporter that isplayed in you, know, N A in a deck that performswell at regionals. I don't see that card as being as degenerate andexpanded and the main reason. Why is that the synergy of welder doesn'tmatch up with this energy of shamen? And so Shaman is the premiere draw cardin the expanded format, and so you want to be able to utilize that and as bestaway as possible, and obviously wellther is just it's a very basic drawhard. It's a very average draw hard now. It does obviously have the bonus effectof energy acceleration, but there's already so much energy acceleration orenergy manipulation in the expandid format that I don't really feel like.You need that extra energy from welder. So I don't expect a lot offire only welder decks to perform well at all in Richmond- and that's just I guess that's my hod.Take I don't know- maybe it's not even that hot, but I'm going Na go with that. I wouldask you rily. You mentioned that there will be some type of lockdeck that you predict, or you know you kind of named a fewdifferent, lock decks. I would think of sable, I I would think of haunchcrow. Iwould think of you know: Seismantod Zork, obviously using a rang rudox torecycle all your broken filthy support items. What do you think would be thetop lock choice heading into the regionals? I think it's hard to say, because it's really hard to build alockdeck. That kind of effectively will deal with everything. So what I mean bythat is a deck like Archie. I think archies is actually the biggest wildcard when building a lackdack, because you really want to be able to locktheir abilities so and trap something active so that way they can't just accelerate whatever they want anddo whatever they want and that's, obviously, you need garbador to shutoff a last toise. That's the only card that can shut off a blast oice in theformat right now, besides whe offifet, so sure that kind of lends itself to Sablei,but then sable I get irecked by cross division potentially, and it also at the sable. I lock just in terms ofJung, hind isn't as effective as a resource management just flat out. Sothen Sark rangre feels like a more powerful lock in general, but then itreally falters to energy acceleration. So I've been testing out, SOE, Zarklockdecks and it's felt pretty good actually except for stuff like archies, whereit's gets really sketchy but yeah. I just think stuff like recent stamp Ondchipship are incredibly strong and...

...we'll lend themselves to a degenerate,combo somewhere along the way, maybe not a regional winning Cambo, butsomething that people would be interested in playing for sure. Absolutely so I guess the way to build. Thatdepends on your perspective on the Meda and what you expect to hit and howeffective that tout fragy will be in the matchip. You expect a hit. Yeah! No doubt do you have a favorite, lock TAC KadeFu. I don't know if you tested to anythime now I put my due diligence into sable.I I do like it as an archetype, but it does have its very laring weaknesses. Iwould say that our cheses generally felt like a pretty tough matchup ifthey particularly if they play well, particularly if they play Fabi, Ifeel like they er if they play even one like if they play a one fiel blowor oneFOB accombination. I found that that is just almost unbetable with sable eye.They just can get things rolling too fast, where they are able to yeah. Ifthey get that turn one turn to even turn three cross divide. It just canalmost obliterate your board yeah any Bord presencs any board presente thatyou had at all crostified cheems to be working the sormat a little bit yeah. I think so I think so. I don'twant to lean into that too. Much like I don't want to say on this podcast likeOh cross divide is so good, like everybody should play it like. I don'twant to lean into that and give people the wrong impression, but I do feellike it is changing the format because it is so broken like that turn oneplacing twenty damage counters is just very, very oppressive to these lower HP,pre tag, team basics, it's just it's kind of unreal, so that has been a really tough matchup,but I think it has pretty decent matchships across the board in terms ofevery thing else. I like Sabli against almost every other deck, except I willsay I don't love it against Tarbo, dark those decks that can just get a lot ofenergy on the board like first turn. Second turn are really tough for sableI to deal with. Of course, you do have articuno, you can kind of make comebackplays with N and Garbotoxin, but in that first turn, if they're able to getone or two attackers and limit their bench they're in a really good spot. Soa deck like Turro dark can also just simply overrun Sablei yeah yeah, and Ithink that's something that any kind of lock strategy will have to be lookingat right. Now, as how do you deal with these kind of overrun type, decks like archies andturbodark that'll, just get so much into play on the first turn before youeven get a chance to establish anything, wet Alon a lie so tha yeah yeah, so thebenefit of playing sable. I would be you know, you're sitting at home andyou're thinking. Okay, what do I play for Virginia and and why you would playSabli is if you think that the turbo darks and the blast choices of theworld are just two linear for the big names for the betterplayers to play those decks that instead people opt for kind of, I don't know either slower decks orless less. Just I guess straightforward Nex, like those and then those are thedecks that you really pray upon, because they don't get all their energy outturnone. You can usually manipulate them a little bit easier than those turbostyle decks, and so, if you're thinking, okay, the format's not going to havemuch turbo dark the formats not going to have much blastois, then that's when I would look atsabilizes being like my number one choice: Yeah Yeah, I think Thare's a lot ofinteresting stuff to think about going into this coming set of regionals. So,just to summarize kind of the thoughtlle presented, there seems to bea couple schools of that when it comes to building decks right now, these moreagarodecks, these more tempo decks and...

...these control or lockdecks andcurrently JW- and I are big fans of the tempo strategy, but we think all ofthem could be viable kind of depends on what you hit oes that sound fair. I think so. I think you're going to see you know. I think you are going to seea lot of these, these aggressive style decxs because it is so fun, and so Idon't want to say brainless to play these turbo decks, but like inm GB, youcan really yeah the Onga Wev been calling atUngabungo turbo dark because it just feels like you're, a cave man with oknow theyou just play that you see the card. You play the card kind of thing that can be pretty fun for a lot ofPars. I expect a lot of particularly new players to gravitate towards thatstyle, deck yeah, and so so I would make sure that you have a atleast a game plan to play around that yeah in Virginia Yeah. I think that'sfair. So is there any other last comments that you wanted to make toanybody out there listening to this and thinking about what they should do toprefor expanded yeah? I would just say if it's yourfirst expando regional, if you're trying to P, even if it's not yourfirst expanage, you know you're trying to prep for expandid. Just giveyourself a look at the Cardpool one. More time I mean I know it can beoverwhelming, but but seriously take the time, sit down and kind of look through the cards or write down some. You know specificcards, I'm thinking of particularly Giraffrig. These are kind of the cardsthat can screw you over if you're not prepared for them. So graffred comes tomind team rockets. Hideout comes to mind. I mean silent. Lab comes to mind,there's not really a counter to that. But but in any case you know, sizmonto comes to mindtreminent I mean just these kind of oppressive cards that, if you're not prepared, can really catch you bysurprise. So just make sure you kind of know what you're dealing with and yeah and refresh yourself take arefresher course on what possibilities there are an expanded yeah. I would like to echo some of thoesentiment, sentiments and just say: Get out there and play have some fun withthe Games. Get some experience with the cars I get them in your hands. Iactually think the Expani form his pretty fun, even though I don't know ifyou get the feeling Tordi ev your fors. Just me, but I always dread theexpanded formap, but then have a lot of fun: Wonce, I'm in the in the weedswith it and playing in it yeah. So yes, well I in that expanded. You cannotplay your opponent a lot more than standard now, not to say that StanStandard Right now is actually in a good spot where you cannot player uponit, but even more so unexpanded you just have so many more optionsavailable to you at anyone. Time and choosing the correct path is often alot more difficult because of those choices yeah. I just know you know somany people like the trash on the on the format and say: Oh you know it'sthis hit's that it's degenerate and that tends to get my head before Istart playing in it, but then usually once a minute. I think I find I'mhaving a lot of fun and I like the FORMAP, once I'm actually get my handson the cards, so iould just treck myn getting out there getting a feel forthe decks on finding what works for you absolutely cool, so we're hitting abouttime here on our bonus episode, we appreciate every single one of you wholistens on your itunes, spotify stitcher, Google platforms, you guys,are all awesome and we will continue to try and release high quality content tomake sure that you are assetiated make sure you also check out our socialmedias. That's at smiles with riles and at Real John Walter on twitter, an w'sYouTube channel eeeconfined our vas from our live streams of the podcast,as well as a lot of other, really awesome pieces of content ws to makingexpandic content for months now so feel fer to check any of that out and hisrepository, and with that, we will see you next time. Pese...

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