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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 1, Episode 4 · 1 year ago

3. Expand Your Mind: Meta Predictions for Richmond

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Welcome back everybody, my name is JW,and I am here a little bit of role reversal with my good pal Riley HoberRiley, how you doing today. How is San Jose I mean San Jose- is still good,I'm actually still there. So for those o you watching on videoYouca ee. HAVE THIS UGLY BACK! THAT'S MY HOTEL ROOM! It's actually anice hotel, but when I's dimly lit behind me, because I wanted my face tobe lit yeah, it's kind of Gress, but yeah, it's really nice, it's a littlechillier than I thought it would be it's kind of a bummer, but it's beengood. We went to the we went to Montere yesterday, Wa just kind of like atourist beach town. I got to see some sealions Went Tho, realthe, nice,restaurant and Ben Gin. A lot of work done too so insane. That's that's! Amazing. Whatkind of projects are you working on in San Jose Thut? You couldn't Aewis donein Wisconsin, I'm working on an install project, so the customers out here in San Jose. Iactually just traveled last week to San Antonio as well, very cool, very cool. What have youbeen up to you, my friend? Well, I had a very you know sad weekendwhere Attendi my grandmother's funeral, but beyond that you know just had sometyeah hate to be a Downer Eko. I know thank you and then I youknow had a concer this weekend and this week, I'm just getting ready for youknow for the tournament this weekend es a Comein, thes turnament. This weekgandsay what wait, what well you're, not ven going you're, not even going soyou're like you, have every reason to feel like that: ionly awant anadditional weekend and dill Portland. You know yeah, but you get to see thewhole Mada game and make you know better choices like we're. All BlindWevei can make better choices, but, like I need to know the cards they haveto have gathered right because you can't right just lassemble all thepiece of AOYEAHTHAT's. True, that's true! Okay! So like what are you what'sa card that you're worried about having to buy that you don't have yet. I think I'vetaken care of most of it by now there was like a lot of weird stuff,especially for like mutue pockes attext t an I waslike wait. I don't have this car crap, the W. I don't know if you're stillhigh on the Gardy Deck I've kind of like weknop of it a little bit, but I had all these really nice faart MegaGardis, and I guess I sold them at some point, because I could not find that it was really frustrating. I can'tbelieve you sold them like recently. That's the that's a sad thing. You knowI woult have sold them, for I you must eve moked, that it wouldn't have beenthat long ago, either yeah, you must have bulked them, iidid't inbalk them, but I sold themwith like a bunch of xes on Sharon cat. I feel that I feel like yeah. That's ashame. I still have my pile of Mega Gardis here. So, if you're going toPortland and you need a Mega Gardi to play my deck, you know what I'll giveyou a smoking deal. I've got a couple foarts here, so you know. Let me knowhit me up if you need the bling. Oh my gosh you're ridiculous yeah, but then there's like the ecurecards to for me to xright like random stuff, like the Greenija fromdetectic. PKCHU is kind of expensive for whatever reason and the boxes arerehondomly hard to find. Even though the box was horrible up until now sureabsolutely and like the Yut text can go so far in all sorts of directions. So you know who knows what you actuallygoold by Yeh Oyeah? It's so true! That's so true, there's a lot of likemovie pieces and like there's so many tects right. So if you, if the metagamegoes one way, then you like definitely want to include this card that youotherwise wouldn't have put in.

It's definitely a very variable deckfrom you know I mean it. Just has the room, it has the options, so that'svery cool. So for sure. So, let's just get right down to it. rilyyou don't have a tournament. This weekend I mean I'm going to go toVirginia you're not going to go to Virginia. You are going to go toPortland, but from kind of this I don't knowyou're, not in the middle of things like you, don't have to make a decisionthis weekend, so you maybe don't have as much of you know the stress thatmaybe another player would who is playing this week end you wh's, tryingto figure out what do I play? What do I do? What texion? I add? What would you say you know coming backyou no pressure on you right, because, whatever choice, you would say for theweekend like nothing hurts right, you can't you can't go o three drop, butwhat would you say is the deck to play for Virginia? It's I'm still kind of on the fence Ifeel like. If I was going to Virginia, I would be basically waiting Ntil, the last minute,tha press then mad on my decklist, because I a feeling so I'm sure, there's a lot of decxts thatI like. I can go over some of those I used. I'm kind of I kind of like theNewtu deck, but I feel like it has too big of a problem against tha, like the UNGABUNGA turbo deck sure kindof scares me a little bit so other than that, though dext thatI'm liking. I I hate artisis a deck, but I think it has a ton of options. So,if you're comfortable in the deck, I think it's really good. I've really been liking. Zoro controlas a deck. I think it's really fun and has a lot of really powerful things youcan do and then kind of Zoro garb is alsorising again on my radar. Ani know: That's like kind of stupidcoming for me s as like a huges ar like famboy, but it's a DEPI keeps coming back to me andI'm like well, you know, whe, is that strong garbador strong Zoric is good.Like Dude, I know that that's exactly kind of like what I've been tellingpeople is like Zor garb is not something that I've ruled out becauseyou get to play Wat you get to play. Zorg you get to play. Sudogudo you getto play. You know garbadors of both variety like there're, just so manygood, like inherently good and strong cards that that can play and doesutilize very well. It feels like a strong beck heading into the rechals,even though it's been kind of under the radar. I would say you know, certainlyin like the first you know. Maybe a month ago, like I didn't see anybodytalk about Zorgarm and now in the last week or two it's kind of picked upsteam yeah I mean there's so much that Ipersonaly like about zareecks. I like the element of like micro decisions and the amount ofdraw that you get but trade. I like the ability, locking aspects as or provides.I like the consistency that it has there's just so much that goes on. Thatcan go right when you play Zark, like the downside. I think in the curretformat is that being evolution is definitely a weakness. It puts a littlebit of a target on you, but I don't know like for every game or Arthi getsa term one cross the vide something horrible can happen as well Pargi. Ithink Archie and Youtube Bein the main like anti evolving deck, but you canalso play I mean you can play stuff like you know, just some. You even cangreatly help with that that lost boomerang threat trip so and, whereas wit arties, like one thing that really changed myopinion about crossified is: If you need to attach anything but a psychicto get the arcies off. You can't turn one cross. The vide right and thatalone, like completely changes the dynamic of the deck, the dynamic right.So you need to be able to attap a psychic turn one with your manual, soyou need to. If you have two energy in hand, pre arty, you could easily wikthat right, right and kind of the thing. The thingthat I've been seeing to is, like you...

...know the list that are you know, thelists that are very popular right now are playing only the one psychic andonly the Onesbeon, the Oxis, so like you're, relying on kind of that one oneline to get he the turn one off and just doesn't feel that consistent and Imean certainly it's not is just a one one line but ar cheese. I do feel you know. If youget that turn one archies off, then I would say ninety percent of the Gamesyou're getting a turn to cross divide. That's definitely not out of the realmof possibility. You know it's definitely that second second turn butright. You know you give your opponent that one turn to you know set up to gettheir stuff out and, to you know, be able to maybe rollwith the punches right, and I think, there's like two sides of the Cross.thefide. If you ask me, there's the there's, the you know, snipe threebasics element of it, which obviously that's insane and kind of the reasonthat people think it's so crazy and you need thath to happen turn one goingsecond or I guess turn to going first as fine as well, but then tenthe other element of itwhich doesn't really matter when in the game you get, it is it's like smy toshame, is Whith Yourtina Ping or something or a Bulkini in prison, spread sure, andthat is kind of Gamestate, irrespective as long as they have to Shams, dow soagain, stuff like night march against stuff, like even ZORC, can besusceptible to this. Any sort of like turbo deck can besuscepted like Tobra dark. It can easily happen to them. It's and that kind of that's a hugeprice swing to we were talking about. I don't know if it was you and me or meand Brady we're talking about some night March match ups, and I like Ohwell, you can you know you should be able to beat thethe multiprizes and arties and then we're like. Well, wait if you have twoshamings down, they can trade so unfavorably and just take like Tradlike four for two on the initial price street and then just go for prizes onShameand GG soright. That element of press eviis kind isalso very scary and not the one. That's really talked about very often sure thelight game, but still like our ges is still crazy,though, and when it works, it worksunbelievably. So, personally for me, no matter how good archies is in the Meta,I am kind of averse to playing it, though, because I don't like puttingthat much of my tournament and my games into just a I turn one. You know likeyou basically know: If you're going to win ourles in a Turner tatl with ourJes e Pla Mart decks like Hsogarb, you might have an additional couple surprise. A couple turns youalways have antoxin as, like, I ow sure sure yeah that can that can pretty muchcripple anything right. So, that's why that's personally,why I'm coming back to it a little bit, but I mean realistically, I don't haveanything Seid in stone, even if I was playing I Virginia this weekend and I'm looking to like getting as muchexperience as possible, be that you know personally that I can watchVirginia or working with my friends to determining before Birginia. No, whatthe best play is yeah exactly so. Okay, just outlining those thosethree decks are there. You know certainly something that a lot ofpeople are looking to is some type of control deck. You know youhave zour control, you have, I will put Sabli in this control. You have haunchcrow control. What are you kind of feeling right now is the the metagameis shifting or progressing? What are people saying in the community aboutthe control decx and do you think people are going to? I don't know ifthere's really a tech for them, but do you think people are going to try toaccommodate and build their decks in a way to better handle control? I don't know if control acs are in thebest place, at least in the traditional...

...sense of you, know, long drawn outcontrol games mostly because I think archies is really scary for those decksyeah. I whl I included, and I don't know if there's a good wayto play around it like to basically to be RTS. You have to play a garbadorright, but sayl that garbwer coan easily bewiped off the board pretty quickly and iour control can't really affordthe space that dedicates a garbadore as a control element, so that doesn'treally work either. I think a lot of people were reallyinto this confolled e cause. They like the idea of spamming, reset stamp, wasbaning chipship kind of abusing those degenerate combos, but the the Meta and the feeling that peoplehave towards these sexes seem to have shifted back towards not being the premier deck choice forthis weekend. So I'm not a huge fan of traditionalcontrol ex. I, like Zor, control a lot, but I think the wild car of these turbodecks is just too much to handle right now and ir rather play something thatcan either provide tempo or all out Carbo the decks yeah. Okayinteresting. So you think that the control decgs have a very tough timemeeting things like archies. Do you think they have a tough time, meatingthings like terodark? It depends on the control deck I think,but there's like so many games. WHER COVERDAR can set out with like not aton of terrible benesitters and just have a bunch of good cokmom on theboard, all owded up with energy, and at that point you basically have to like artico notalk and end them. Hereyou have to ijust pull up something horrible andhope it sticks or crushing. Hammera heads a bunch of times and terbeartushas a ton of move maneuverability and has a ton of things on this board thatcan attack with O. that's also isint feel super good either unless yousomehow wipe energy off and attacker and trap it mm yeah, absolutely absolutely interesting,okay, very good. So what would you play? What would youplay for the weekend? I think gon to my head right now. Iwould probably play ZEROCR. I would need to iron out a list because I'm notfully confident in any list that I have yet, but I think thit's just a reallysafe archetype with second place, probably as being my own turbor dark, II know thatbecause, it's kind of weakness is, but I just see the concept of playingTurvodar. It just feels relatively safe, like you can get points, no matter whator maybe not a matter what but like it feels like a decent deck to get pointswith, because you can just out curbo and like your Ponis of the board, andeven if you don't get points your Tran Al, probably over pretty qickly. So that's for sure. That's for sure,because you know honestly, it feels way better to go o three drop than it doesto go FY for it fair enough right, Yoyou've gotne. Youknow five three and then you're playing that last round and you're like man. IfI win, I get you know top sixty four hundre and twenty eight, whatever it'sgoing to be and theyou played out a loseheartbreaker that that always sucks, because you like have an Eain, thewholed, a if you're me you like, haven't eaten the whole day. You've been you've, been questioningyour deck choice since round to took the first loss rnto you're, likehow could I have ever played this horrible deck? You know right and thenyou know when you go what you have tournaments that are like five, four,it's like very rarely do you go fio and then four losses. It's like this weirdup and down where it's like you win. One lose one win to lose one and you're,like always on the Ende of your seat and whether the tournament will workout or yeah. The cheeks are always clenched, so I would just if I'm playing turbondark. You know if I go five for at least every round will be likelightning yeah, but moreeerelistically...

I'll, probably just go, wiped off thetournament like in samely early sure sure so so to follow up with that you, you know what what do you expectto see as a player- and I guess also thesecond question, not necessarily related, but if you were to take aturbode deck like turbo dark, maybe like Pekarom, maybe ray something or even archies aAguess to some extent, what do you find are some of the weaknesses of the deckthat maybe other people will try to exploit yeah. I think it depends fromTarbodacti terbedeck what the weaknesses are. So turbo dark is really weak to oneprize dex in general. It doesn't have a good way to trade into one prizorsbesides baby mew, but Bigbi me wasn't that easy to power up consistentlyeither. So, even if you play two of them, it's kind of difficult toconsistently get them mountain pared up. Sure I mean I've heard some people talkabout energy switch. I personally don't like energy switch, because you knowotherwise there's only one way to get a mew power DUP on one turn and that's tohit a maxsloxor or two Max lixs or hit am maxlixer and get an attachment thatcan always be kind of tough. I would just for the people that areconsidering maybe putting in an energy switch. I probably wouldn't, but anyway go ahead. Yeah I mean what Iwould agree with you and because I think that with these turbobacks you're,better off just streamlining as much as possible, saying forget abouteverything else, I'm just going to be the most turbo, the most powerfulversion of these decks and work with that. You know, instead of trying to befancy with tax witch energy switch, at least in dark eperience, so yeah I mean the, but they all vedifferent weaknesses, so dark is really weak to those one prizers, even withthe Meus like they have so much multiprice junk on the board that stufflike nightmark stuff, like Buz garb, can easily just pick at them and andkind of eat. Those texs alive arties is of course weak to ability,loce t IDO log. At least I mean especially if they withArcies Thet idom Lok BIS, it literally a game sealer at that point usually and then Pekerum, I don't know peepe Omas any over obvious weaknesses that just completely take it down. I guessfighting decks kind of like hit on Wa Buzz Garb, are kind of the biggest calloffender there and I don't think many pekroms are playing flash energy atthis point, as it feels not super necessary for the currentmetagame. Maybe that'll change, because I'm sure fighting NEX arerising on people's radars as a result of turba dark compete, frommeing, BibleDeks, but for now I don't think fash energy is like a premier car in thedeck so yeah. I think I think in general itdepends, but I mean if we're looking at counters stuff, like Buz garb likeplant or Srine hitmon wag is kind of the traditional like countery strategies. Ithink wob in general is really good against these turbodecs to if there'sone like unifying car, that's goot against all of them. I mean archies cannot function underWAB, they have to escape up it or recell. It turn one yeah and I mean I've had games on my stream withTarbedar, where I said. Oh, my ponent started Bob. I don't even feel likeplaying, and I just gonsand like well- and that's really interesting, becauseI found with those decks is that they just lo like they get they get hatedout by Mutu, like those decks just get bodied to the you know, Umteeth degreey by Mutu, Gardi, and so it's this weird, like you know, rock faverscissors like Terbo dark loses to hit Ma. WAB LOSES TO GARDI lose SETURBODOC.You know, and you find yourselves in...

...these weird triangles where it's like.Well, this deck is really good, but it loses this tick, but then it loses tothis tick, but then it loses t. You know in all this and around and aroundand around totally and then and that's a that's, a good way to secway back inyour first question about what do, I think will be the most popular and I dothink turbush manegies are generally the most popular. I think people likethose strategies, first and foremost, and I think, they're the safeststrategies, because they're the least reliant on what other things areplaying. Sureso Tarbo can always like out turbo other dacks out of the gameand just roll over them. Where stuff like hip on Wab or buzz friness super. You know the decks feel kind ofcrappy. When you play them even good Games, they feel kind of crappy. That'snot like a slam on the deck its just like they don't blow nearly as smoothlyas a Tarbo deck. Yeah. I'd be curious to see like the brainmap of somebody who plays. You know different decks like if you play turbodark and you get the you know, ten energy on the board on the first turnlike does your brain like heat up or whatever, and you get all the Seraturnoff or it turns off. You see no activity. N, that's yeah, so I think that the turboportion of that triangle is the most occupied portion of an even tournament,an ill. Even more discreetly say that I think archies is the most popular hatgoing into this tournament. I think it is perceived to have the most options.It's generally a popular strategy. People like our keys, I mean it, makeshim feel good and smart, a d nat even guilty of this. It feels good. You gettour on arses. You know you're right, you're right, even if it's like justgiven to you, you just have like blast loise comstertion hand like it still feels good right right, evenif you didn't have to work for it still feels good. It still feels good. So Ithink generally it's a tracting people like and they like the doing a lot ofGamante like Spandioxis, so I mean I can't see it not being themost popular deck and then I think, generally, Thou turbodeckswill all occupy a large amount of the Meta game with with dark, maybe beingjust behind our tees yeah interesting and then do you think. Do you thinkthat triangle, like kind of shifts a little bit as you get deeper into theournament, because I would definitely say it? So if you, if you say likegoing into the tournament, you look at the deck breakdown, Turbo decks are atthe top and you know maybe control Dexar or you know closer to the bottomin terms of the representation in the tournament and then I kind of feel likethat over time you know drastically changes where you see you know, maybenot so many turbo decks making the second day, and you maybe only questionwhether they made day to because they were just so heavily played, I think, proportionally to the decks.This I mean this is, I think, a typical mainstaing. Almostevery tournament is that termadex will usually be among the most popular, butproportionally representation will favor slower control, thats, and I think it's a combination ofthings. I think those decks usually find themselves in good metagaines whenthey're actually played- and I think typically, those decks areplayed by by vary, capable players right people who are comfortable withthese deks, who know the Metagaine that they're going into and they're choosingspecifically to go with that approach. So they typically will have deeper runsin the tournaments, whereas a turradeck there's, you know you can hit all sortsof crazy stuff and, like all sudden, your rails fall off and you know you'rein the middle of nowhere and you all sorts of newer. You know if I was torecommended a deck for a brand new player o play for this tournament. Iwould say: Hey play tremor dark. You know, you know you just attachd theenergy right right, right, you're, just kind of rolling the dice in a senseyeah, but okay. That brings me to anotherquestion, for you: Ragly is like let's say, you're a newer player or maybeeven not a newer player, but you just...

...haven't, played expanded and you'replanning on going to Virginia you're planning n going to Portland up by theway, hello to tricky Jym who just raited. Thank you guys, but you're. Anewer player are new to expanded and you hear US talking and we say: Okay.Well, you know, we think that overtime, control decxs, you know, do betterproportionally. That makes you think. Okay, maybe Iwant to play a control deck, you know what advice would you have to thatplayer? Who kind of hears that OA control is really good and and controlwins? I should play a control deck. What would what would you say to thatperson? I don't think that's the objectivemindset to tape, not for a couple reasons. First, I think there are certain decks that just kindof hate on control, ex and kind of can push them out of the Meta, so notnecessarily out of the meadow but out of their final tournament runs. So wesaw this really well illustrated in Hartford, where a lot of the zero topeople did really really well, but the replayadeck ended up brinting thetournament just because it was so so good and Tosorto just obliterated thedeck, and so it's not necessarily about control tux being gotter on the metaits,like you have to pick the deck, that's right for you, and so getting back tomy original point. If you are not familiar with control an the strategy and you evener practiced a lot into alot of different matchus because practicing control some Texs, you canpractice in just a couple matchups and get a good feel forhou. The back worksfers control, especially expanded, where every D function very differently.You need to be comfortable with all those different situations. So, if youhaven't already practtice control, you know we're three days out from atournament. It seems too late unless your are unless you're generally vearycomfortable with those architepts thos start with so yeah, especially the Expann. I thinkit's dangerous to just pick up control with no experience. Maybe in standardis a little different, because the control dexs usually are more auto whinny. I guess where you knowthey pick. They pick matchups and kind of ust win them sure, and but I yeahsohave excepta aberage strategies and you also have more time in standard. Ithink we would agree. It might not be that much more time, but you maybe geta turn or two extra, whereas in expanded it's like go, go, go rightfrom the start. You Know Right Oad, the gate you are on the back foot with aturmonic you have to play from behind almost from your second turn on youknow, and that e that coun be difficult because y, you really have much lessmargin for error inexpanded, I feel like totally yeah, so I wouldn't recommendsomeone just pick it up out of the blues because they hear it's good. Youknow play the play the deck, that's good for you, not te Dectades, that'sgood, because expanded has such a wide vrietyof Stradus, a don't think you should pigeon hole yourself so easily andespecially into something like control, yeah for sure good advice. I would say for me going into this regionals. I kind of would echo alot of what you've been saying in terms of what do I feel like will be the mostplayed so or Chese. I think that's kind of this wild card. I feel likepersonally for me and my testing I haven't found that archies has beenconsistent enough to necessitate me playing in a tournamentlike I just don't feel like the deck can go the distance. You know itcertainly has in the past, but I don't feel like it's gotten any more consistent and it justfor me when I play it it just I may win, but it always feels kind of awkward yeah and there's a lot of ways todistrupt it item lock being one of them. I would say that you know turbidarkobviously has been hyped and I think for good reason, its just a very likestraightforward. You can solitare the deck, so I think it's very easy for fora new player or even somebody that just doesn't play a lot to pick it up andthen I would say, like a third deck would have to be...

...yeah. I would just say is Orgam likethat seems to be like a fallback that a lot of people have and I've kind offound myself coming back to Orgab like Oh, this seems really really good rightnow. Even you know, even if it is under theRader, it just seems like it has a lot of answers to a lot of things. Yeah, it's crazy to because the deckdidn't feel like it was talked about at all for the first you know, probably amonth of expanded being talked about and then I' more recently in the pastcouple weeks, it' slowly crept back up on people's radar says you know: Hey,hey garbear is good right, Zarts, good right! Don'B call is energy. That's a cart!That's a good car yeah right exactly exactly so, we'll see what happens thisweek am curious to hear, though Riley. What are your predictions for theweekend? You know what do you predict being you know the top eigpt breakdown.What do you predict doing? Well, I definitely think, and arcies willmake it all the way to Topha, but probably only one, maybe to just by the nature of the deck it's sohard to get a really consistent long run with thedeck. You know even with really phenomenal players when tis little onewith Argies, all of the DDG team played it, and a lot of them fell off eitherin day one or midway through day to, and they just would suddenly pick up abunch of losses out of nowhere and I think that's kind of the natureof the deck. Whereas, even if it's good enough to win this fournament, it isn'tgood enough to win the tournament for more than one person, so that I meanthat's true, though, with any deck right, because only one person can winill now, because, let's S, you know, there's some dects that are so crazythat, like everyone, who's playing, it has a good chance to win the tournament.You know yeah, some of those Duro to Dek was a goodexample of it, where they would, a bunch of them would make top AI andthey' kind of just slaughter. Each other towards the end sure is likearthies, is only good enough to bring one person to the EATA turn out of everyone who plays right right, but I do think an arthis will make cut,will have a deep run, and I think probably one of thertraodecbe, another Arti, Dick or some sort of dark deck will probably make itthat far and then we'll probably see a couple zarctecs mixture, ofsergarbs andcontrols. If I had the guests and then some more off the beat confrol eckswill probably nake it and then some random decko. No, I can't even predictyeah yeah that that is another question I had for. You is like you know. Yousay you can't predict but like what are some of the out there concepts that youthink somebody will bring to to the regionals. It's really hard to say, because Ihaven't put a ton of time into those strategies, some more more common ones, I would say,could be that, like a Meutu, lock kind of deck with Entecro kind ofstuff going on a that, has the potential to win. I mean it. Can that'sthe kind of Dackas the potential just win the whole tournament by being crazyand stomming on everything the whole way through? So that's an option. Another kind of strategy that couldoccupy that space is I'm trying to think like I'mtrying to think like what kind ofwacky stuff thet even is like Guardif Wardex Guardy, sylvion DEXI've seen a couple of those online with romatise to move energy around and I'mstorry my camera. I seems to be feeling you right now and then I've also seen random, like welder decks with randomreceivers and like power plants and all sorts of crazy stuff going on, and Idon't think that's a a horrible idea. Either I mean silent. Labit is reallyreally good, an expanded right now, yeah so power plants as well.

So I think some dack that abusssomething like that either with with he big Tanki pokemon or with just kind ofsome sort of consistent well to Redeck, there's something along those linesthat could succeed with heavy HABs, an plants yeah yeah for sure. I think Ithink, to some extent you know just because plant and lab or they're justsuch good cards, I think in the expanded metagame I would say I don't foresee a Wel dedeck doing that.Well, just because there is more hand desruption in expanded and more goodhand, destruption specifically and is really a great hand destruption card,and so I would say that just the later on inthe game that it gets. I don't think that that a welderdeck can build upthat big of a board before they get end to survive that and fin favorite tex. He asked me for acrazy thing, if I think could pop up for sure absolutely absolutely no I'mjust I'm just saying for people that you know maybe looking into fire ormaybe thinking about bringing a weltherneck. I would just say you knowwhat Enn is a powerful master and so just be prepared to kind of lose thosegames because well you got into to, and you didn't hit your draw supporter oranother fire. It's just so conditional those welder nexks. We have somecomments here in the chat, alolaneggs vil plume. That's an interestingthought: Vile Plume, I think, is something that people are kind ofskirting around in the sense that yes, everybody's, including hoods in theirdeck, but it doesn't feel like they're, really respecting the burning shadows,vile plume, like truly it just kind of feels. Like Oh yeah, you know I have anextra space like I'll, throw in a hood or I'll put in two hoods, because itseems like the right thing to do. Do you think that VI plume has a chancein this in this Meta game and at this regionals I don't know if burning shadows, plumehas enough by itself, but if you can get out alongside item plume, it seemslike that would be a lot for a lot of ex overcome yeah for sure. For sure, would you play thatjust straight up like grass attackers like? Would you play that with Meu to Iknow some people are talking about moutuvile, plume kind of how would youconceptualize of Ioclem Dick I've seen it play two ways: I've seen kind of Youtu with egg ralletand I've seen just straight up egrality the one time I played against thestraight erod version online. It was like a turboy version and theyaccidentally drew so many cars. They drawl their mith movie, which was very funny. Boddy, Buddy Budy met me and thenthere's yeah, jolly fineman also brings up that satile plume deck from lastyear. I don't know if Setoplim is in the best place anymore, especially withthe evolutionary attack on the arallet. Is Its really really strong? Actually,so I think if I had to choose between MOUto and Aralt, I think I would go in like a e direction, just because Ithink that that can better abuse, destruption sure, whereas you to I meanI think Sinen lab and powre plant are two of the strongest cards in theexpane formant right now on the Lowki but MOU to can't use this obviouslyright right, ghtabsolutely, interesting interesting. So what wouldyou say you know? We've talked about sin lab and and Power Plant. I would say that thoseare like cards that are just incredibly strong right now. I wouldjust say that they're insanely strong AGUAINST turbodeck they're insanelystrong against MOU two decks any deck that uses a you know theyrgreat against zorarbdecs, the the power plant. Obviously, specifically, what do you see as other texts forexpanded that people are going to try to include and for what matchups...

...yeah? I think we talked about hood already B, poppingup in some decks. As I mean hood catches, a couple different things keptas garbadorand, mot being th main things you would cut. You would makehood for, but I think that's a pretty strong cardright now. Other texts that come to mind, I think FOB, was a decent tech as welljust for getting rid of Garben or consistently getting rid of otherpeople's hoods. I've also heard I mean some people haveconsidered playing that evolutionary advantage or whatever theycall it Bron or, and the bronze long to kind of deal with those pread optionswhich isn't a horrible idea. I've thought about like playing a nonbridgets architect to incorporate those and to say: Hey, you're, not going toCrosstifi me IM begone be gone O, so that's another another strategy. Ithink there's just so much an EXPAN. It's really hard to knail down likewhat the best tax are. I think if your deat can play a wog that might be oneof the strongest types you can fit right now, yeah right, because it can'tbe bomped. You know, and it can hardly be like moved around right. You kind oftalkd about repel or escaperopen Blasttois, but I mean even then like.If they start alone wabafit, you can't do any of that either. So Iwould agree with you, though. WAM iffit feels like a very strong car and if youcan put it into a deck that you know, obviously it's not going to go intoblast Oyce, because you just really can't afford to start it. But if you itwould be pretty funny right, but if you can afford to play wobfit, you knowwe're thinking about like the Hima Wab and even just as like a one or two ofin like Zorogarb. I think that could be really Strang. I've even thought aboutit in Moutu, because, theoretically you would you know, hit into something andthen you want like a one prize attacker so like maybe you throw up the WOB andit can use Dimension Valley and attack for one energy that could be kind ofcool, but if you can afford a fit of wabafit and you have the space for itas definitely a tach to consider. I would also say people are saying it inthe chat as well. The sudo widow, I'm just kind of been talking about this,maybe for the last couple weeks, is like Soo, Sud woodos still very good,especially if you think- and I think and everybody thinks that Zor garb iso'n up yeah. It's definitely it's deinitelyrising up in people's ratars and for good reason, absolutely well good. ThatI mean that seems like a pretty good coverage of what we ould expect to see yeah. I think one other rod deck that Iactually do want to hit on, and I was reminded by someone in chap bringing upBentpoon of all cards. Is I've seen a couple. People talk about Garout on andI don't think roundon actually the worst place, it's ever been you'reright. I would agree. You know you have you have the wabsyou're just talking about how good a wob is. Gradon can easily slaugte inlike those other stadiums like alongside the s you just play, you canplay whatever you want, really yeah an yeah. You right right. It's a hugetanky attacker, it's fighting type, we talked about a good figing type. Is Imean who knows like? Maybe ot the thing I guess man like what would you say the biggest countersare and it doesn't it as en ot, as afraidof is consisted like sniht sure, so, not necessarily Youto ask tonight butlike with the Gueuritinas, but if you can cross divide it and do a bunch ofdamage on the bench or if you can...

...chain Naganadal, Gx, whutwis Yeph. Ithink that's what Bu us, let's put sorry Grodon, is afraid of sure Osherthan that I mean Butis, not terribly poisin the metagame. I was going to sayand honestly like. If the blastories player is chaining, then aganabelsunder wablack, like they exactly a genius. Exactly so like I don't know you canyou can play your baches, you can play all these crazy tool cards to deal withall sorts of crazy stuff, and then you can addition additinally,like once you're done with beaching up. You can play all these crazy stadiumsto deal with all sorts of different trategies yeah. Absolutely that's!Definitely interesting. I mean I honestly of all the decks that therearen't expanding and there's a good twenty viable decks. I would say:Groundon is not one that I put any time into, but you make it sound, prettyappealing ro I mean, do even have access to the beaches to test it sean and I have them on the on theaccount. So Oh your cab does that beaches. I do have beaches. Yes, whateof the privilege, O heres a short spree after Dallas when I wanted to buybeaches, but I decided not to and now they're like double EPI yeah yeah, it'sactually a little crazy because beach hasn't been, you know winning deck likeever, but Kee's going up. I know it's just very interesting. It's a veryweird! You know little quirk of the Tradincard game, so yeah Regi Ho things that come to your mind,aw. No, I would say like vile plume, is something interesting I think. But to me it kind of feels, likeeverything is really solidifying around a few big archetypes, those beingarchies turbodark Zoro garb control, dex, and you know me too, I would say thoseare probably like the top five pretty much that everyone knows is going to beplayed in some capacity. In a significant capacity, but beyond that,you really have so many options, we kind of go back to what we're talkingabout at the beginning of the show where you know you have one deck and itbeats this Steck and a beats thi stick and it beats thi stick and a beat S.stick in this kind of triangle, rock paper, surces format. So really, justif I had any advice, go with what you're comfortable with go with whatyou know don't try to bring anything crazy. If you haven't tested it, don'ttry to bring anything crazy, don't listen to the you know, advice of yourfriends when they say the night before hey. I got this crazy bustedak. Youknow. Unless you really know you can trust them yeah I mean if your friendJamytan Darvis and they come ou with some crazy expranted deck. I hope toplay. Tell you what, if Jenny Pen Darvis, you know comes up to me withthe deck and says you need to play this and he also plays it. Then I will, butthat might be He. That might be the exception. That is funny yeah. I mean when was the last time we saw anexpanded tournament that didn't have you know some sort of crazy variableTopi with all sorts of different strateties. It's been a while yeah pick somethingconsistent though yeah I mean ideally, every deca playexpand should be consistent. I knowomaing your neck if you'restretching the limits of your deck to the point where it's not consistentanymore. Do you real? I back really bad good point, good stuff, all right! Well, Riley. Ithink that that makes Hor a pretty good episode, we're hitting here on timehere, forty five minutes or so any last words that you want to sayanything any last pieces of advice or just anything you want to say ingeneral to the to the audience. No, just everyone do good, have fun outthere drink some water, you know don't...

...get dehydrated. The tournament and mostof all, ust just have fun. You know it's going to be it's going to be a funtournament. It's not going to be huge in Richmen, but I'm confident that youcan perform well as long as you take the deck that feels right to you. Youknow trust your heart, hard, the cards for expanded for sure, yeah and I wouldsay to go along with that. Don't take the losses too hard, because you knowwe've just been talking about how I've been feeling like a lot of thesematchups are a little more polarizing than I would like, and just a littlemore one sided that I would like not toomuch interplay in certain matchups. Just don't take those autolosses orthose very difficult matcheps to heart. You know, don't don't be too upset ifyou, if you run into a few day, you know I did that an my last expandedregionals. I was like all right, hey, let's go in with Zorark and I just facelike five fighting decks. You know and it's like crazy wel. You know: What canyou do when fighting was? You know so you know minorly represented, but Ijust managed to hit such bad matchups that I don't know if I whatever happened like. I wasn't goingto win that thing, so it happens just just going to saythat it happens and so enjoy yourself enjoy the time that you have withfriends. Yeah it', ine o take up you if you go to Richmond, absolutely and sayhi to Riley, if you're going to make it out to Portland G, that is going to doit for our episode tonight. I'm sticking around for a little bit ofafter dark, so stay tuned. For that I'll, be right back! Thank you, GenRaley, for being here, and this was my first time hosting. So that's prettycool w you're, a pretty cool guy, dw I'lltalk to you all later peace, all right! So you guys.

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