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Season 4, Episode 11 · 2 months ago

4-11. The V is for Versatile

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are HYPE for Fusion Strike coming out, and are ready to dive in. Come check out the amazing Mew VMAX deck, the ever persistent Single Strike deck, and all the consequences of their power.

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Yo, what is up? Guys? Welcome back to tag team, Pokmon Trading Card Games Premiere podcasting duo.My name is Riley Hulbert, joined as always by my good, good friendMr dw creewall. JW. How's it going today? It's going great.Or Riley, how are you? I'm tired, man, I'm tired.Yeah, Bro, it's a long night for me as well. I amleaving. I told you before the cast I'm leaving this weekend. Yeah,so I'm trying to get some videos done tonight. So I feel you wouldbe it's gonna be a long night. Yeah, I also have the dayoff tomorrow after a long week. But I did have some cool events thisweek. I bought my car this weekend. I paid it off, so thatwas a huge dub in the Roydal Friley. Tomorrow I'm actually getting myears pierced. What it's go so kind of changed up the vibe a littlebit. Dude, the man Bun and the yeah years brow and the cartotally paid off. Yeah, what? What woman would look at you andnot just want to cuddle up? I could think of a couple, Sam. So it regardless. It's a it's been a productive week, but todayto exhausting week. You know, you ever been there? Definitely, yeah, definitely have. Yeah, surprisingly. So. Well, I got somestuff set up here in my office. Yesterday was a big day, yeah, because I got a curtain as a huge day. That's a yeah.So, so I'm in my corner office and I can just pull back.Oh, I just saw cat run down the street. But yeah, Ican pull back the office curtain and I can look at my window on towow what, see all the happening Docks Yourself? I guess I did.Perhaps I did. I mean, I guess I'll addit that just put alittle beep. I guess I'll let it that up. I mean, Idon't think anyone would really like. I don't think anyone would do anything bad'sthat great? Docks Yourself, though? Well, I didn't really yea,it's not actually not my street, but I was gonna say, though.You know, you're pulling back the black out curtain and now that it's daylightsavings, it's just continued darkness. Yeah, it's just black, aside from therain. It is raining and snout ones out here. Yeah, lifeparts and stylist, did you like come up with that on the fly oryou kind of like have that in mind? No, no, I came upwith that. So, I mean that's just how my brain work,because I'm just kind of a kind of a lackeys Zainy Guy, which isone whacky and z any man for sure. Yeah, yeah, I mean thelisteners love it, a little bit of the Zaniist and craziness. That'strue. I hear many times. Many people are saying that they love thiswas Zany man. That speaks to the people are single. People are constantlycoming up and telling me, yeah, I I can't make it down thestreet to the convenience store without what street is that? But so, yeah, I mean cool stuff coming up on the horizon, you know, goingto have a nice weekend away at maybe the cost of an exhaustive night ofwork. Anything else exciting in the world of JW I wish man. Ijust been struggling with this technology that I've been supposed to be learning this week. I mean I have been learning. I've been getting smarter every day.That's like I'm at the point where I'm like I need I feel like Ineed somebody else to like also come alongside...

...me. You know, I've learnedas much as I can and now it's a applying it and then everything thatI've applied it's been just a little bit off. So that's been tough.So that yeah, I mean that's all work stuff, but yeah, that'sthat's boring. We should talk some pokemon cards, fair enough. So,as of recording this, fusion strike has now, guess, dropped on thePOKEMON trading card game online, Pokemon TCG, live and up being delate, aswe talked about the other week. So if you strike is on TCG. Oh, and it's been an exciting time out there. You know,some cool new decks, some old favorites that are still keeping up on topand, you know, kind of like we expected, new vmax is comingout as one of the premier decks from this fusion strike Meta. I mean, JW, you've had some initial testing. TCGO just dropped. What are someof your first impressions on Fusion Strike? Yeah, we had some players overthis weekend to play some fusion strike on Monday on the Stream and I'mhoping to do some more tabletop stuff in the future and proving the set upand everything, but it was really good to see that deck in action.I felt like it was a little underwhelming in the games that we played,but I didn't particularly feel like the matchups were all that great. So weran it against we ran it against a gang guard deck, which I thinkis probably its worst matchup, and then it had kind of some clunkier gamesagainst Bolton. But all in all, I've been seeing it. You know, they're on my stream on Monday and then singing it with the different contentcreators. You know, pretty much everyone that I tuned into at some pointtoday has been playing the new deck and it just seems like the cool thingabout is it seems extremely solid, like it doesn't seem like you you know, you have a bad matchup to dark like, certainly, but pretty mucheverything else, I think you're in the game. Yeah, like the entiretyof the time, and it feels a lot like it feels a lot likelike a like a victini almost, where it's like you're gonna do, youknow, two hundred and ten damage on turn to every single game and ifyour opponent, you know, or two hundred and forty or two hundred seventywhatever, like with with the with the additional damage boost, but you're goingto do that every single game and if your opponent can overcome that, thenthey're going to be just fine and then if they can't, it's going tobe hard for them. But the difference is that you do that again,like every single game. You're so consistent in what you do that it just, you know, it's a lot easier for you to kind of win thewin the matchups you know maybe maybe wouldn't like. It just is again soconsistent that your opponent sometimes it's going to dead draw in a in a goodmatchup for them, whereas you wouldn't. And so yeah, I would kindof flip that script a little bit, though. I think FIC TEENI isprobably more consistent at getting that like two hundred damage turn to but I thinkmew has some of that more, you know, trickiness to it as well, whereas you know, it's drawing a lot more cards for a turn andit has an instant acceleration with the Elysa sparkle if it needs it. Sure, sure, I mean sure, there's, there's definitely. I mean it's nota one to one comparison, but just the point being, like thedamage output is is there and it's like pretty low maintenance by just yeah,oh, yeah, two attachments and an evolve and you know, a bench, pokemon, a bench in a sect, but two attachments evolved. Like it'svery similar in those ways. But yeah, like you said, thereare some wrinkles that you can put into the deck. I really think thedeck needs a little bit more disruption than people are playing. So I Ikind of want to see where this heads. I believe the decklist that we're seeingnow are a little conservative in the sense that they're playing peony as asupporter and I really really think that the...

...deck is going to show its strengthby just playing, you know, your boss's orders and maybe a few Marni's, but pretty much everything else as a trainer card, a burnable trainer,so you know, playing crushing hammers, the the life savers, the lightsabers, power tablets, yeah, power deplace, kramamatic. I I reallythink like just going all in on this kind of turbo strategy to maximize yourdraws with the genes sex. I think that's going to be the way togo, as opposed to trying to mess around with with pone and like atLisa sparkle is probably good, but you know again you're just trying to maximizeyour draw and you don't want a lot of those dead cards in hand.Yeah, I mean I've seen a couple of different directions from like the contentcreators. You really started to explore them U v Max deck. I seensome of them take it approach similar to what you're saying, but maybe notquite as extreme, where they'll play, you know, the chramatics and inthe VIP battle pass and just have a ton of like burnable cards, althoughI still consistently have seen the peony include as part of that. And Isee other folks take like a more conservative approach, for they'll play, youknow, for more like more hard draw supporters, if you will, solike for researches and and Marni's and some combination with each other. And I'vebut I've seen also like list only play peony as like their Daw supporter drawsupport, and that kind of doesn't seem great to me. Not a hugepeony stand myself, but I think it has I think if it has adeck work fits, it's definitely the mute ack right, like yeah, definitely, I agree. I agree with that for sure. I think one ofthe strengths of the deck is, again, yeah, in these burnable cards.So we look at how do you maximize using the genosectability, and youhave to think about, you know, the biggest enabler for that, andeventually we'll get another card that helps even more enabling the genouslectability. But,like, quick ball seems to me like the best enabler for genoesec because youyou're able to discard the resources that you don't need, a media it Lee, to make room for more resources that you might want, you know,your energy or your I don't know, your your supporter that you needed,your Marny, your boss or whatever. And then to go along with thatagain, like if we're saying that quickball is maybe the best right because itcan also get out other bench pokemon for you to power up. If thatwe're saying quick balls the best, then that doesn't grammatic, like isn't thatlike second best right, because it also kind of fulfills this same role ofbeing able to discard, I will say, sources that you don't necessarily need rightnow, on like a in a vacuum. I am a much biggerfan if, like, if you're going to play like a really burnable card. I'm much, much bigger fan of chramatic versus things like crushing Hammer,and you could play both technically, but I'm a bigger fan if you're pickingone of the chremomatic because it's more proactive and it's approach to the game.You know, ours crushing hammer like flipping to see if you have an efact on your opponent, which it might not even matter to them. Butchramatic, if you flip heads, you always know that you're going to havesome benefit to you. You know there's hopefully some card in your deck thatyou want. Yeah, right, so true. And if not, thatcrushing camera probably would have saved you anyway. Definitely. So I do like theconcept of it as like a vernable card. You know, you kindof alluded to like ultra ball on the horizon being like a really great cardfor them, you deck. I think that's fairly obvious in the fact that, to me, you wants two things. It wants a thin hand and itwants a lot of Pokemon and play, and no two cards will achieve thatbetter that the combination of Ultrapol and...

...quick ball. Absolutely yeah, Ithink ultrabolog just bust the deck even more so wide open. I think it'sa very solid deck and I would be prepared for it in some way.We know the matchups are pretty much like. The deck can hang with anything justbecause, again, of how consistent it is. But you're probably losingthe dark matchups that you play, which I would expect, especially early on, a lot of players to be playing dark to try to counter me.You like, almost specifically, though. Dark is very good on its own, but I would expect like people to be like, I'm not going tolose to the new best deck or the one of the new best decks inthe mew. So expect dark to be pretty big. If that's the case. I don't necessarily think mew is a great play for tournaments early, butthat will certainly change. I think the amount of single strike over time willwill decrease from kind of a starting high. Yeah, I think it will.I think it. Maybe we'll decrease, but it's I think by like absolutevalue. There's going to still be a lot of single strikes through thewhole Meta. Right, single strike was so popular and the last format andreally it kind of has made its stake in this format, given that ithas a favorable matchup against you. So I just I see that like plantingfirmly, like single strike is here to stay and it's going to be verypopular going forward. Definitely, definitely. I mean I just would say,like single strike wasn't dominant in the past format and maybe that all changes withwith the gang. I do really like Gangar because we talked about single strikebeing really resource hungry. The earthshift vmax is resource hungry. I mean evento an extent the umbreyon is pretty resource hungry in the fact that you needthree energy to attack. So yeah, you know, you need to getyour energy down turn one and also have a hound hour down or, youknow, no energy in two hound hours with a number on like you justneed a lot more pieces as opposed to the gang guard deck, which canjust attack with double energy attachments over the first two turns. So I thinkthat's a pretty significant difference and I would expect, you know, again,I would expect a lot of people to kind of gravitate towards that as beinga new and improved single strike version with the Gangar vmax, and that wouldbe one of yeah, like you were saying, one of the most populardecks here early in the format. So I'm curious, like with regards tome, you, I mean, do you think me has a way todeal with single strike or is that just an l that's a great question.I was watching Andrew on tricky Jim today play a an Excel Gore line andI immediately thought, as he was doing it, as like there's no waythat this will work, and and I was exactly right. Like he played, I don't know a handful of games and really it didn't make a differencewhether or not he had, or at least it seemed to me, whetheror not he had the excel goor in there or not. And in alot of ways it almost inhibited him by having to play these other cards that, you know, just weren't facilitating his draw. And so I think you'rejust taking it man, you're taking it on the Chin as a bad matchup, hoping that you can beat pretty much everything else, which I think isyou know, I'm looking at a lot of these matchups, I am playeda lot of these matches, but I'm looking at all the other decks.It seems like you would have you know again really good fit matchups against rapidstriker Schafu, good matchups against a Chi and good matchup against, you know, leafy on Sylvion, these kinds of things. So, yeah, youprobably are just taking that on the Chin and then and then again. You'reso consistent, though. That's the thing. We need to come back to that. It's just like how consistent the deck is. Like I think you'reyeah, I mean the Jetis actability is insane. It's really insane. Thefact that you can use it multiple times a turre and is just crazy.That's definitely true. Yeah, you could draw, you know, potentially eighteencards off of just that ability. Right,...

...if you have a full bench andyour even draws twenty four her excuse me, twenty four cards. Yeah, twenty four cards. Just play enough krammamatics a pretty cool yeah, Imean throw it through a research or Malrenady in there you're drawn like half yourdeck and more than after diag realistically, in one turn. Yeah, itkind of. It kind of feels also like like Ray Quasa v Max.Just how class what's that? Sorry, you finish your thought? The itfeels like the Ray quasa deck of old NIGGA. Yeah, the Mega Riquasadeck. Yeah, in a lot of ways just how much you can draw. Yeah, I can see that relationship the genotacs just crazy. I youknow, I think we all kind of knew that the Jena sector is goingto be really good, but seeing an action and playing with it and feelingthe power of drawing all those cards is something that's hard to like an septualize. I think ahead of time you know just how much value you're going toget out of this wild card. I've also been seeing a lot of wellseeing a lot of discussion about battle VIP pass. Do you have any thoughtson whether or not you should include battle VIP pass in maybe in the mewdeck, but also just generally? Do you think it could be played inany other deck? I think it can only be played in decks that canget rid of them easily if they are not used. So like an Italiandeck, for example. They're just going to clog you up the rest ofthe game if you play those. You know, something that I've pretty consistentlyseen with the battle vap pass in the mew deck is they are almost,actually I would say they are always paired with the chremomatic, which gives youlike the quick ball and the chremomatic. It is like quick ways to getrid of them if you don't use them, and I think that's kind of whatyou need to make that card useful. I don't think it's like terrible.I just really don't like having cars that are's completely dead after the firstturn. I had the same problem with things like wait and see hammer aswell. or it's just like you have this one instance where it's useful andthen it's gone the rest of the game. I think specifically in me you canmaybe make a case for it because it does the things that me wants. It's it's gets a lot of POKEMON and play quickly and honestly, likesometimes that can be a little bit awkward to like get the Gendo sex andplay especially, and you know you can burn it with the chromomatics if youplay those. So I think it may be as a place in me.I wouldn't really play it in any other decks, that at least none thatI can think of. I mean, if you have one in mind,the open to talking about it, but I don't think as a place anywhereelse. Yeah, I really don't. I agree with you there, atleast not the way we're building decks currently and again things might change, butyou're looking at the most turbo deck being mew, like you said, battleVIP pass. You always do discard it. Chromomatic is perfect and I think reallyonly works in these kinds of ultra turbo decks. And so, yeah, I guess like the only other, the only other like an engine thatreally discards a lot of cards is stuff like Chinchino. But the difference inme echined Chino is me you can like rip a ton of cards on turnone with the geness act or is, and so they can hit the battlev Ip of Hass, whereas, like other decks aren't going to really drawninto them the rest place. Yeah, no, that's so true. Sorry, I just wanted to spitball that thoughts and my brain. That's good.I mean, you've you seem to have like some developed opinions about how youthink you should look. You talked about how it should be like as burnableas possible. I mean, what do you picture that engine looking like interms of the trainer lines and what? What fills up that space? Yeah, I mean I'm pretty sure that it should only play like two supporters inMarni and boss's orders. And like maybe...

...a Lisa sparkle, but like notas a very high count because you're not really hoping to use that in mostcases. So it's probably going to be you know, like three boss,like three two or three Marti too, a Lisa sparkle, and then therest is going to be all geared around these burnable trainers, you know,of not even that many. I would rather also like do, instead ofa ton of basic energy, like try to include the battle B Ip Pass, because I know a lot of players are looking at the capture energy asbeing, you know, the primary way, or one of the primary ways,alongside of Quick Ball, to get out your Pokemon, but I'm kindof seeing more. Well, what if I just had battle VIP pass,like that seems like a way better, and like fog crystal together. Yeah, and if yeah, exactly, Battle Vipass, battle VIP pass and fogcrystal as my ways to get out pokemon. So I would just again be playingat Super Turbo, trying to keep your energy to like eight or less, so something like the the for fusion energy and then somewhere between, youknow, two hundred and four psychic energy, with the rest being capture energies andthen just everything else burnable stuff. I wouldn't even bother with any othertech pokemon. So I don't think I would bother with like the or Choreo. I don't think I would bother with the lot us or the Lot Eos. I would just go mew and genes sect and I know it's I mean, it sounds kind of weird, but I'm pretty sure that no laughing.Yeah, play it. Well, I'm pretty sure that's going to be thebest way to play it. And then I would try to play as manyhammers in the open slots of big hammer guy. Yeah, yeah, becauseI think to what the deck wants and like, going back to how I'mconceptualizing the deck, is that you don't want to discard anything necessarily so orlike you don't want to discard the power tablets. Right. It's going tobe one turn that you can have where you just play all of your powertablets and you've already burned through your deck so much that it's not unreasonable toget them all on one turn, because for the most part the power tabletsaren't doing anything if you're just playing one at a time, but they cancompletely shift the game if you get all for now. How possible is that? You know, not very but again, I don't want to be using mysupporter on, you know, P and e discard of power tablet whenI didn't need to and then going off of that. So, yeah,I don't know. The way I see it is like being able to dothat to ten and maybe you play like a vitality band or two. Iknow that's something that hasn't really been explored, but to get to that two hundredand twenty, which is kind of our magic number for Basic Pokemon vand then just being able to do those those power tablet shenanigans, I think, I think that's going to be the way to go. I like it. Like it a lot of item cars is always fun to play. Ohyeah, it's going to be C card, play card, for sure. Ilove this kinds of dex, the card that glows on tcg Oh goes. Yeah, if it blows a good I love that. As with allof these players, are going to be like a lot of it. Thererack, there acts. So I mean, how do you think the game respondsto me? And I guess we could sit over that, on thatthat for a second. As we see go into our ad read and thenwe can talk more about, you know, what the metagame will change with,with the introduction of fusion strike. I do want to, before wedo that, talk about our card of the day. And so our cardof the day for today is also a very versatile pokemon card, and thatis going to be another view, of course, in homage to the newfusion strike mew and that it is mu x with lower case x. Sothe legendmaker view is one of the first,...

...it might be the first view thatactually had like this kind of like copycat style to it. I don'tI try to like look this up but I couldn't. Did Not have enoughtime to like really dig into it. But so mew ex can use theattacks all pokemon and play as its own. It was a hugely played card inits era being able to copy very useful pokemon like Menetrick, you know, very infamous Mutrick deck, and it's just it's not some pokemon card.We seen this be replicated a variety of times. It's kind of becomes musething. We had the shining view, we had the or like the themew star. Rather, we had the mew prime, which copied from thelast zone. We had me, you capital x, which was a staplein many Azar arc deck to deal with the buzz balls out there. Wehad mutwo and me, of course, and now we're at the the MuVmax. So I love the what you brings to the game in terms ofbeing able to kind of like change up how decks are viewed and played.Because if we if genes sect was the attacker, it would work? Absolutelynot. Yeah, it'd be a pretty horrible deck. And and we seethat, though, consistently with these view cards, where it like livens upthese cards that have a lot of potential but like need a little bit somethingmore. You know, a great example of that is like a lot ofthe gx's that Mewtwo of you copied. They really needed that like a littlebit something more. So yeah, I mean you were never playing at charshard deck on its own, all right, chars our gx from the family pack, even you know, Megalopani, yeah, and Gigglie puff, likeyou were never playing that card on its own. Yeah, made for areally nice tool, bouse I, even though you two was kind of theposter child of that card, it was really mew that was doing the copying, so it don't get your facts mixed up. Okay, that's right.So firstile view and it's legacy on the game as it's been phenomenal, andfuse and strike is kind of the current culmination of that. But that's afantastic card, Riley. Thank you. It's very pretty too, and it'sin celebrations a great set. Love that you can front it. So supportfor tag team today comes from Man scaped. Guys, you've been hearing it onthe cast for a while, but I really do like these products andyou know, you might be going to Thanksgiving this year with your girlfriend oryour boy friend and you're sitting around the dinner table and you're trying to besmooth, trying to be smooth, and you know what, you don't wantto be unsmooth down there. Ladies and Gentlemen, manscaped is offering twenty percentoff and free shipping when you use our code tag team at Manscapecom. Wegot ear nose hair trimmers. If you're anything like me, you need that. They got electric ball triumors, if you're anything like me, you needthat. They got a bunch of different merchandise in terms of like shirts andwe got shipped a pair of boxers. I don't know if that's right,that the boxers are to die for, quite Nice Cologne, etc. Etc. All these shaving supply. So get yourself over to Manscapecom and use theCode Tag team for twenty percent off and free shipping. That's right. Ifyou are looking to evolve your marief into an ant for rose, then manscapedis the move for you. So Code Tag team. That's tag team atManscapecom for twenty percent off and free shipping. You don't want to miss out onthat. And you get to support the cast with the rashes, sothat's a huge incentive as well. So thank you, guys, for headingnot over Manscapecom, code tag team, and thank you, maskate, forbeing a partner of the cast. So,...

JW, what is the impact ofme on the Meta game? We kind of referenced earlier how there mightbe some sort of cyclical nature with the single strike deck beating the mew deckup and you having a pretty strong strangle and everything else. I mean,can these other decks respond to me effectively? What does that look like? Dothey need to change the way they work? Yeah, it's a greatquestion and it's really tough to say. I mean my initial like thought isthat, you know, there's mew that beats up on everything that's not darkand then dark somewhat keeps it in check, and dark certainly loses to certain otherthings. I mean dark has a somewhat difficult matchup against leafy on,or has in the past. Now obviously you're getting Ganga and throwing that inthe mix, so maybe it's not quite so bad. You know, youhave dex like Sylvia or Joltian that I don't see beating a mew deck consistently. There's just a lot of things out there that I think just kind ofwould fold to really early pressure, getting like their their main Pokemon v knockedout on the second turn of the game. So I think, yeah, we'relooking at kind of like a like a weird triangle where it's like mewloses to dark but beats everything else, and then dark beats mew but maybehas a few other bad matchups in the metagame. I guess I perspective those. I don't think it's not like a true triangle right, like it's notlike everything pep is that like everything beast dark no, no, no,that's not really what I mean. Yeah, it's I know, I know,there are a few things in the general metagame that would be dark,you know, but I guess my biposire taste, it's like you're taking you'retaking mew, like to win a tournament. You're taking mew. You're taking dark. Are you taking the field like? That's kind of how I'm looking atit. No, I agree. I'm just saying, doesn't that justmake dark like the best stack? Then if, if it beats up onyou, you beats up everything else and dark doesn't lose to everything else.I don't think you're wrong. If I were going to a tournament tomorrow,I would take dark and I would take it with at least a you know, one one or two to like Gangar. Maybe not a super thick gangar line, but I like anger a lot. It covers a lot of you know, it's certain type coverage against decks that would take advantage of that.Here the your bring brow gang are antibar. I am. Yeah, I am. I think can get a lot. It's just a lot easier to attackwith the with the gang are. So I like that about it.Yeah, and wait till we raved about gang art just last week, andhow could we think that cards going to be? Do you play the gangare with the the vitality band that we talked about to get that three andtwenty? It could be cool. Yeah, I think you probably do, atleast like a one of or something. But yeah, I think that's kindof cool. So I mean, I would agree. I would alsotake single strike to a tournament, although I would consider playing the bear versionjust to show up the field matchups a little bit more, but I don'tthink that's like a necessity either. Yeah, it's going to be you know,we're all playing it by your right, because nobody knows, and I thinkit'll be really fun to see what emerges this weekend from the full gripk. If you guys haven't already gotten tickets, I know they're not soldout, so be sure to hop on over there to full grip Gamescom toparticipate in the first tournament in this new, didn't new, metagame. But yeah, like you said, do you play it with gang are? Doyou play it with the Ershiafu? I think the only nonnegotiable is that youdo want a very thick line of umbreyon.

I mean that card just seems ridiculous. Yeah, so, yeah, I think that's like the only nonnegotiable. So I think a lot of it is really up to up tire yourfeeling. The ursh Fou were going the gang a route, I would personallyplay gang are again because it's just so simple to set up. Yeah,but I don't think you can really go go wrong. I think they're bothpretty viable. So I think the other main deck to really come out offusion strike is the intellion. You know, the rapper strike, it tellian beingable to return that energy and loop Cheryl's and things like that. Doyou think that deck has any place in this sort of metagame? Um,that one's that one's the wild card from me. I haven't really played it, I haven't seen it that much. And then my theory in my headsays that it'll be. It'll be good against decks that have, you know, low HP bench sitters, but not particularly good against, you know,these heavy v Max decks. That's again, that's all purely kind of head theory. Yeah, I'm my kind of my head theory on it is moreI think that deck really leans into Cheryl as it's kind of wind condition.Yeah, you just keep returning the energy, you keep schrylling and eventually kind ofoverwhelmed your opposing v Max. So I kind of folds that strategy over. Is If you can surmount the intellion in one hit single strike, andme you can theoretically both do that or, if you have some of your ownhealing as well, to kind of counteract their Cheryl, which basically negatestheir game plan for a turn. The not ton of decks. They're likesuperherrel heavy right now. I mean Joel Tiana is kind of the Premier Cheryluser and I think Joel Tean of not in a great spot because single strikeis so popular and you with triple tablet does one hit Ko, the JOLTIon a lot. Yeah, the Joelti on. Yeah, the jolty onhaving three hundred HP, I was just going to say, is really relevant. Yeah, all of a sudden it's like super elevant outside of the guilfor girl Thrust Yep. So that's that great. And I think actually rapidstrike, like Ercy food, remains like a decent decks. So the theJoltia doesn't love that either. I think Joel Te on is kind of ina tough spot right now in terms of some of our main stays for thelast format. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Do you have any thoughts, Riley, on again going in looking back at some of the other topdecks, like something like drag a poult? I don't want to get off toomuch on and tell you on, but while we're talking about these benchkind of snipe holder on, you know, I do feel like there is someparallel to to drag up all when we're talking about in telling on.So do you feel like you know because drag a pult was good like dustand telling on is good? Do you feel like both of these decks kindof fall off like we're you thinking of that now? I think they bothkind of served different purposes. To be honest. I don't think you're supposedto lean too hard into the intellion's ability the shooter. I think you're mostlyjust lean into like the simplicity of it and trying to and trying to shareall with the Intelli on engine alongside you. And whereas drag a pull functioned moreas like a disruptive deck. You know, you have like your hammersor your path to the peaks and you're constantly like slowing your opponent down andprogressively building up like this board state. So I guess they do have asimilarity in the fact they're kind of like this inevitable deck where it's like I'mgoing to set up a board state where I'm going to attack next turn andwin the game no matter what you do. I think dragged pole and in Talleyon both kind of do that, but they do it in different ways, whereas dragon pole is like slowing you down and placing damage all over yourboard and it Tellyan's kind of focusing its...

...damage a little bit more, butit has a lot of healing to counteract what you have previously done, ifthat makes sense. Yep, definitely. So I do think they accomplish likea similar goal, but in like very different paths to get their path yeah, for sure. And Dragon Pole suffers more from single stripe than in Talleyon does, because that umbreyon. Yeah, it's shaping up to be pretty interesting. I do feel like we're going to settle in to a very kindof ordered metagame. Obviously, whenever you're releasing a new set, there's alot of things up in the air. But I do kind of feel like, just as this last format really settled toward toward about the midway point,like, I think we're going to get that as well, because we're reallyonly adding in, I would say, what you know to too higher endexlike the mew. We've been talking about a lot, but it's definitely alot different than some of the other previous like best decks or best archetypes,like Quasea, really didn't make that much of an impact. You know,I turn it. This was certainly like really good, but not necessarily,you know, unbeatable. In a lot of ways. Mew is just superconsistent, much more consistent certainly than those other two, and I think thatis again there's a lot to be said for that. And then we alsohave like Gangar. That would be the other thing that, like is immediatelyjumps out to me. And we don't even know necessarily that the gang arewill be played because, like you're saying, like we're even debating right now onwhether or not single strike is better off with the the umbre on andthe Hershifu or the umbrean in the Gangarl, like there's still some debate on thateven before you know, things get started. So it's not like immediatelythat the gang ares, Oh of course you play the gang are it's likethere's some there's some debate and I think you can go a lot of differoys, you know, and telling on. Will it make that much of animpact? It's hard. I found historically it's hard to rely on a supporterfor a wind condition, which is, like you said, what in tellingon does it's very difficult to agree. I do for especially when you don'thave like a lot of ants. Larry Draw, yes, like hard draw, exactly exactly. So you know, you were looking at decks in thepast that have relied on supporters for wind conditions. I would think back tolike us or our deck right, where it really relied in some matchups onjust chaining hex maniac and you were a little more able to do that inthose past formats because of course Zora could draw your cards. That's not quitethe case. When then tellion. I've been seeing people played The v Maxwith other intelliance and the thing about playing it with other intelliances eventually you're notgoing to have another intellian. I totally agree on the bench right. Sothat just that scares me a little bit. That's not to say it's not goingto be a viable deck. I just think it takes it out ofkind of that like tier one or tiers and maybe moves it into that,you know, tier two, tier three position. A couple other decks thatI just want to highlight. We did play some with Bolton Vmax, whichwas really fun. It definitely feels like a better it's crazy to say actually, but it definitely feels like a better quis at deck, just from thelimited games that I got with it. And then I also feel like acard that's a little underrated right now is carbominable. Yeah, it's still onthe carobominal train. I don't know. I think Chrbomina will could be cool, whether or not it's in a stall deck or a mill deck or justby itself. I mean the second attack is pretty good, so I thinkyou'd probably had to play it with obviously melanie, but maybe like a frostlast line. But being able to change that. I mean there's something tobe said for you know, if you can get some intellions out, you'redoing a ton of damage. Yeah, relatively cheaply, like you're taking onehit chos with that carebominable. So it...

...probably won't amount to anything, butit's just something that's on my radar, at least at this point. It'sa good, good video deck if nothing else. Absolutely yeah, Fan typeof Friday. Give me chrebominable next week. I so is there anything else thatkind of sticks out to you? Any decks that that you think survivethe the mew and single strike reckoning that's coming upon us? Really great question. Of It's it's kind of tough. Like you could maybe say syl Beon. You know, Sylvian has kind of occupied a space where it can playa bunch of tech attackers that can, you know, be sub substituted forany matchup right, like you could play it with grass, like we've seenpeople play it with Lefon, and like you could theoretically play lef On vMax alongside of Syl beonv Max. You know dark. I think it isprobably the more popular variance and the one that I really like of Syl Beon. So that just makes a lot of sense going into the mew with theSylvian. And then you have you know, I if the single strike decks areplaying more of the Ershia Fu. Right then you have obviously still beyondhit that weakness. So is it time first to Multris to come back?You know, Ershfu Multris I? I think it could. It's not crazy. You're that's crazy. You're given up on your guy over there. AndNo, I mean it's not crazy. It wasn't the greatest deck at theend of last format. So I just it's probably going to be one ofthose things where it's like my pet deck, but I'm never going to tell peoplelike, Oh, yes, you absolutely are, at least from thispoint, like you absolutely need to play this deck. That one's that onekind of feels like it's making its way more into like niche, very metagamespecial rapid strike Melanie, maybe rabbit strike Melanie is very cool. Certainly thatcould make an impact. I mean rapid strike, I don't think you canever really count out, because the snipe attack on that is just so discthat turns that rapper close good for whatever reason. Yeah, crazy right,especially for you know, these decks that are trying to set up like youlook at single strike and like a rapid strike vmax on turn to against asingle strike deck and you just take out two hondoms or two hond hours,like that's the worst feeling in the world. I agree. So, yeah,I come back to the main question, like what do I think could beviable? Syl Be on kind of kind of leaps out to me aslike, well, they can cover a lot of bases, so that's goingto be pretty pretty important to try to beat the top two decks. Yeah, I mean, in my mind I think rapid strike decks are hanging on. They're trying their hardest out here. And then I think it's really wegot to see the metagame. Of all, we're gonna have to see how themew decks finalize themselves as well. Like I could see dex that eitherleverage path really well or can come out really strong. That like maybe stradeinto me. You DANKIS and chat calls out speaking and I think speak andmaybe could continue to find a place for itself. I think it's not asstrong as before. I think speaking can hang because you force is forced tofill its bench right, so you can you can come out pretty aggressive withthe damage they're but really I think I agree with you. I'd play.I would play single strike given the chance right now. I don't know,seems the most immediately good. Could be completely wrong on that, but yeah, if I'm wrong, I would just go oh to drop at the fullgrip house there. That's okay, certainly. And I think the other thing too, that we need to take into account and we need to say certainly, is, like we've been talking about the consistency of the MEW v Maxdeck, but rabbit strike can be a little inconsistent. Strike me, orsingle strike I should say, can be a little inconsistent, certainly one ofthe more inconsistent of the top tier deck. So yeah, again, just takethat into consideration. Like on tag...

...team they said that they would playsingle strike and then and then I take play it and I can't draw anygood hands. It's like well, yeah, that's you got a draw good.Yeah, you have host a strong just I don't know if you've everconsidered drawing good before, but I certainly would do that. But yeah,just take that as a grain of salt. Like we're saying, okay, thisis good. Again, in that vacuum, like you're going to haveobjectively worse hands with the single strike deck than you most likely will with themew deck. Or really and almost any other, you know, High TierList. I agree. So I mean I think we've made our point clearhere. JW, is there any parting wisdom you want to give the listenersthis week? I mean, if you're going to the full group tournament,I think don't be super prepared for the newer decks. Like don't don't metagamecompletely around the newer decks. I think generally when we go into these newformats it's going to be hard for people, especially with these newer sets where they'rethe cars just seem like they've been really hard or they've been really expensiveto get ahold of. Yeah, just I wouldn't worry too much, likeabout me, for instance, like I think there will be a handful ofplayers, like there were a handful of Ray quasa players at the first fullgrip k when of all mcskys were was released. So I'd say the samething about this is, like there's probably going to be about five players thathave them, you deck. If I had to put, you know,money down on it, yeah, I could eat my words. I haveno stake because I'm not going. So, you know, again, take thatwith a grain assault but just don't be don't be freaking out about anymatchup in particular because there might not be that much of them. And then, even if there is that much of them, like you might never seeit. I've had that happened to me many times at tournaments where I I'mreally worried about a certain deck. It actually does turn out to be veryhighly played, but then I just never saw it throughout the course of theday. Yeah, so just just go with what your confident in, whatyou have put time into, and and and know the best, and it'lldo. You know, you'll let fate decide. I guess I was goingto say you'll do well, but that's not true. I need to getout of that habit. Like it. It's not guaranteed that you'll set yourselfup to do you'll set yourself up to do well. There you go,not committing right. Well, I think my word of wisdom I would echoith GW said. I would say if you're looking for an older deck tomaybe revive, I would I would Meta game single strike more than you andI would bring with thee on a snikly fe on in there. Otherwise,though, I would say have fun, stay hydrated, eat your vegetables,and we will catch you all scaped next time. There you go. Besure to check us all out on social media. We can catch you cancatch us on twitter. That's as smiles of Friles at Reel Shawn Walter andat tag team Pokemon for the cast, and we record live every single weekat TWITCHTV. MONTER GW also streams at Tish, atva, flex, steadyrighteous and has a youtube channel that you should all check out. With thatwill be signing off and we'll catch you all next time this see you.

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