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Season 4, Episode 11 · 6 months ago

4-11. The V is for Versatile

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are HYPE for Fusion Strike coming out, and are ready to dive in. Come check out the amazing Mew VMAX deck, the ever persistent Single Strike deck, and all the consequences of their power.

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Yo, what is up? Guys? Welcome back to tag team, Pokmon Trading Card Games Premiere podcasting duo. My name is Riley Hulbert, joined as always by my good, good friend Mr dw creewall. JW. How's it going today? It's going great. Or Riley, how are you? I'm tired, man, I'm tired. Yeah, Bro, it's a long night for me as well. I am leaving. I told you before the cast I'm leaving this weekend. Yeah, so I'm trying to get some videos done tonight. So I feel you would be it's gonna be a long night. Yeah, I also have the day off tomorrow after a long week. But I did have some cool events this week. I bought my car this weekend. I paid it off, so that was a huge dub in the Roydal Friley. Tomorrow I'm actually getting my ears pierced. What it's go so kind of changed up the vibe a little bit. Dude, the man Bun and the yeah years brow and the car totally paid off. Yeah, what? What woman would look at you and not just want to cuddle up? I could think of a couple, Sam. So it regardless. It's a it's been a productive week, but today to exhausting week. You know, you ever been there? Definitely, yeah, definitely have. Yeah, surprisingly. So. Well, I got some stuff set up here in my office. Yesterday was a big day, yeah, because I got a curtain as a huge day. That's a yeah. So, so I'm in my corner office and I can just pull back. Oh, I just saw cat run down the street. But yeah, I can pull back the office curtain and I can look at my window on to wow what, see all the happening Docks Yourself? I guess I did. Perhaps I did. I mean, I guess I'll addit that just put a little beep. I guess I'll let it that up. I mean, I don't think anyone would really like. I don't think anyone would do anything bad's that great? Docks Yourself, though? Well, I didn't really yea, it's not actually not my street, but I was gonna say, though. You know, you're pulling back the black out curtain and now that it's daylight savings, it's just continued darkness. Yeah, it's just black, aside from the rain. It is raining and snout ones out here. Yeah, life parts and stylist, did you like come up with that on the fly or you kind of like have that in mind? No, no, I came up with that. So, I mean that's just how my brain work, because I'm just kind of a kind of a lackeys Zainy Guy, which is one whacky and z any man for sure. Yeah, yeah, I mean the listeners love it, a little bit of the Zaniist and craziness. That's true. I hear many times. Many people are saying that they love this was Zany man. That speaks to the people are single. People are constantly coming up and telling me, yeah, I I can't make it down the street to the convenience store without what street is that? But so, yeah, I mean cool stuff coming up on the horizon, you know, going to have a nice weekend away at maybe the cost of an exhaustive night of work. Anything else exciting in the world of JW I wish man. I just been struggling with this technology that I've been supposed to be learning this week. I mean I have been learning. I've been getting smarter every day. That's like I'm at the point where I'm like I need I feel like I need somebody else to like also come alongside...

...me. You know, I've learned as much as I can and now it's a applying it and then everything that I've applied it's been just a little bit off. So that's been tough. So that yeah, I mean that's all work stuff, but yeah, that's that's boring. We should talk some pokemon cards, fair enough. So, as of recording this, fusion strike has now, guess, dropped on the POKEMON trading card game online, Pokemon TCG, live and up being delate, as we talked about the other week. So if you strike is on TCG. Oh, and it's been an exciting time out there. You know, some cool new decks, some old favorites that are still keeping up on top and, you know, kind of like we expected, new vmax is coming out as one of the premier decks from this fusion strike Meta. I mean, JW, you've had some initial testing. TCGO just dropped. What are some of your first impressions on Fusion Strike? Yeah, we had some players over this weekend to play some fusion strike on Monday on the Stream and I'm hoping to do some more tabletop stuff in the future and proving the set up and everything, but it was really good to see that deck in action. I felt like it was a little underwhelming in the games that we played, but I didn't particularly feel like the matchups were all that great. So we ran it against we ran it against a gang guard deck, which I think is probably its worst matchup, and then it had kind of some clunkier games against Bolton. But all in all, I've been seeing it. You know, they're on my stream on Monday and then singing it with the different content creators. You know, pretty much everyone that I tuned into at some point today has been playing the new deck and it just seems like the cool thing about is it seems extremely solid, like it doesn't seem like you you know, you have a bad matchup to dark like, certainly, but pretty much everything else, I think you're in the game. Yeah, like the entirety of the time, and it feels a lot like it feels a lot like like a like a victini almost, where it's like you're gonna do, you know, two hundred and ten damage on turn to every single game and if your opponent, you know, or two hundred and forty or two hundred seventy whatever, like with with the with the additional damage boost, but you're going to do that every single game and if your opponent can overcome that, then they're going to be just fine and then if they can't, it's going to be hard for them. But the difference is that you do that again, like every single game. You're so consistent in what you do that it just, you know, it's a lot easier for you to kind of win the win the matchups you know maybe maybe wouldn't like. It just is again so consistent that your opponent sometimes it's going to dead draw in a in a good matchup for them, whereas you wouldn't. And so yeah, I would kind of flip that script a little bit, though. I think FIC TEENI is probably more consistent at getting that like two hundred damage turn to but I think mew has some of that more, you know, trickiness to it as well, whereas you know, it's drawing a lot more cards for a turn and it has an instant acceleration with the Elysa sparkle if it needs it. Sure, sure, I mean sure, there's, there's definitely. I mean it's not a one to one comparison, but just the point being, like the damage output is is there and it's like pretty low maintenance by just yeah, oh, yeah, two attachments and an evolve and you know, a bench, pokemon, a bench in a sect, but two attachments evolved. Like it's very similar in those ways. But yeah, like you said, there are some wrinkles that you can put into the deck. I really think the deck needs a little bit more disruption than people are playing. So I I kind of want to see where this heads. I believe the decklist that we're seeing now are a little conservative in the sense that they're playing peony as a supporter and I really really think that the...

...deck is going to show its strength by just playing, you know, your boss's orders and maybe a few Marni's, but pretty much everything else as a trainer card, a burnable trainer, so you know, playing crushing hammers, the the life savers, the light sabers, power tablets, yeah, power deplace, kramamatic. I I really think like just going all in on this kind of turbo strategy to maximize your draws with the genes sex. I think that's going to be the way to go, as opposed to trying to mess around with with pone and like at Lisa sparkle is probably good, but you know again you're just trying to maximize your draw and you don't want a lot of those dead cards in hand. Yeah, I mean I've seen a couple of different directions from like the content creators. You really started to explore them U v Max deck. I seen some of them take it approach similar to what you're saying, but maybe not quite as extreme, where they'll play, you know, the chramatics and in the VIP battle pass and just have a ton of like burnable cards, although I still consistently have seen the peony include as part of that. And I see other folks take like a more conservative approach, for they'll play, you know, for more like more hard draw supporters, if you will, so like for researches and and Marni's and some combination with each other. And I've but I've seen also like list only play peony as like their Daw supporter draw support, and that kind of doesn't seem great to me. Not a huge peony stand myself, but I think it has I think if it has a deck work fits, it's definitely the mute ack right, like yeah, definitely, I agree. I agree with that for sure. I think one of the strengths of the deck is, again, yeah, in these burnable cards. So we look at how do you maximize using the genosectability, and you have to think about, you know, the biggest enabler for that, and eventually we'll get another card that helps even more enabling the genouslectability. But, like, quick ball seems to me like the best enabler for genoesec because you you're able to discard the resources that you don't need, a media it Lee, to make room for more resources that you might want, you know, your energy or your I don't know, your your supporter that you needed, your Marny, your boss or whatever. And then to go along with that again, like if we're saying that quickball is maybe the best right because it can also get out other bench pokemon for you to power up. If that we're saying quick balls the best, then that doesn't grammatic, like isn't that like second best right, because it also kind of fulfills this same role of being able to discard, I will say, sources that you don't necessarily need right now, on like a in a vacuum. I am a much bigger fan if, like, if you're going to play like a really burnable card. I'm much, much bigger fan of chramatic versus things like crushing Hammer, and you could play both technically, but I'm a bigger fan if you're picking one of the chremomatic because it's more proactive and it's approach to the game. You know, ours crushing hammer like flipping to see if you have an e fact on your opponent, which it might not even matter to them. But chramatic, if you flip heads, you always know that you're going to have some benefit to you. You know there's hopefully some card in your deck that you want. Yeah, right, so true. And if not, that crushing camera probably would have saved you anyway. Definitely. So I do like the concept of it as like a vernable card. You know, you kind of alluded to like ultra ball on the horizon being like a really great card for them, you deck. I think that's fairly obvious in the fact that, to me, you wants two things. It wants a thin hand and it wants a lot of Pokemon and play, and no two cards will achieve that better that the combination of Ultrapol and...

...quick ball. Absolutely yeah, I think ultrabolog just bust the deck even more so wide open. I think it's a very solid deck and I would be prepared for it in some way. We know the matchups are pretty much like. The deck can hang with anything just because, again, of how consistent it is. But you're probably losing the dark matchups that you play, which I would expect, especially early on, a lot of players to be playing dark to try to counter me. You like, almost specifically, though. Dark is very good on its own, but I would expect like people to be like, I'm not going to lose to the new best deck or the one of the new best decks in the mew. So expect dark to be pretty big. If that's the case. I don't necessarily think mew is a great play for tournaments early, but that will certainly change. I think the amount of single strike over time will will decrease from kind of a starting high. Yeah, I think it will. I think it. Maybe we'll decrease, but it's I think by like absolute value. There's going to still be a lot of single strikes through the whole Meta. Right, single strike was so popular and the last format and really it kind of has made its stake in this format, given that it has a favorable matchup against you. So I just I see that like planting firmly, like single strike is here to stay and it's going to be very popular going forward. Definitely, definitely. I mean I just would say, like single strike wasn't dominant in the past format and maybe that all changes with with the gang. I do really like Gangar because we talked about single strike being really resource hungry. The earthshift vmax is resource hungry. I mean even to an extent the umbreyon is pretty resource hungry in the fact that you need three energy to attack. So yeah, you know, you need to get your energy down turn one and also have a hound hour down or, you know, no energy in two hound hours with a number on like you just need a lot more pieces as opposed to the gang guard deck, which can just attack with double energy attachments over the first two turns. So I think that's a pretty significant difference and I would expect, you know, again, I would expect a lot of people to kind of gravitate towards that as being a new and improved single strike version with the Gangar vmax, and that would be one of yeah, like you were saying, one of the most popular decks here early in the format. So I'm curious, like with regards to me, you, I mean, do you think me has a way to deal with single strike or is that just an l that's a great question. I was watching Andrew on tricky Jim today play a an Excel Gore line and I immediately thought, as he was doing it, as like there's no way that this will work, and and I was exactly right. Like he played, I don't know a handful of games and really it didn't make a difference whether or not he had, or at least it seemed to me, whether or not he had the excel goor in there or not. And in a lot of ways it almost inhibited him by having to play these other cards that, you know, just weren't facilitating his draw. And so I think you're just taking it man, you're taking it on the Chin as a bad matchup, hoping that you can beat pretty much everything else, which I think is you know, I'm looking at a lot of these matchups, I am played a lot of these matches, but I'm looking at all the other decks. It seems like you would have you know again really good fit matchups against rapid striker Schafu, good matchups against a Chi and good matchup against, you know, leafy on Sylvion, these kinds of things. So, yeah, you probably are just taking that on the Chin and then and then again. You're so consistent, though. That's the thing. We need to come back to that. It's just like how consistent the deck is. Like I think you're yeah, I mean the Jetis actability is insane. It's really insane. The fact that you can use it multiple times a turre and is just crazy. That's definitely true. Yeah, you could draw, you know, potentially eighteen cards off of just that ability. Right,...

...if you have a full bench and your even draws twenty four her excuse me, twenty four cards. Yeah, twenty four cards. Just play enough krammamatics a pretty cool yeah, I mean throw it through a research or Malrenady in there you're drawn like half your deck and more than after diag realistically, in one turn. Yeah, it kind of. It kind of feels also like like Ray Quasa v Max. Just how class what's that? Sorry, you finish your thought? The it feels like the Ray quasa deck of old NIGGA. Yeah, the Mega Riquasa deck. Yeah, in a lot of ways just how much you can draw. Yeah, I can see that relationship the genotacs just crazy. I you know, I think we all kind of knew that the Jena sector is going to be really good, but seeing an action and playing with it and feeling the power of drawing all those cards is something that's hard to like an septualize. I think ahead of time you know just how much value you're going to get out of this wild card. I've also been seeing a lot of well seeing a lot of discussion about battle VIP pass. Do you have any thoughts on whether or not you should include battle VIP pass in maybe in the mew deck, but also just generally? Do you think it could be played in any other deck? I think it can only be played in decks that can get rid of them easily if they are not used. So like an Italian deck, for example. They're just going to clog you up the rest of the game if you play those. You know, something that I've pretty consistently seen with the battle vap pass in the mew deck is they are almost, actually I would say they are always paired with the chremomatic, which gives you like the quick ball and the chremomatic. It is like quick ways to get rid of them if you don't use them, and I think that's kind of what you need to make that card useful. I don't think it's like terrible. I just really don't like having cars that are's completely dead after the first turn. I had the same problem with things like wait and see hammer as well. or it's just like you have this one instance where it's useful and then it's gone the rest of the game. I think specifically in me you can maybe make a case for it because it does the things that me wants. It's it's gets a lot of POKEMON and play quickly and honestly, like sometimes that can be a little bit awkward to like get the Gendo sex and play especially, and you know you can burn it with the chromomatics if you play those. So I think it may be as a place in me. I wouldn't really play it in any other decks, that at least none that I can think of. I mean, if you have one in mind, the open to talking about it, but I don't think as a place anywhere else. Yeah, I really don't. I agree with you there, at least not the way we're building decks currently and again things might change, but you're looking at the most turbo deck being mew, like you said, battle VIP pass. You always do discard it. Chromomatic is perfect and I think really only works in these kinds of ultra turbo decks. And so, yeah, I guess like the only other, the only other like an engine that really discards a lot of cards is stuff like Chinchino. But the difference in me echined Chino is me you can like rip a ton of cards on turn one with the geness act or is, and so they can hit the battle v Ip of Hass, whereas, like other decks aren't going to really drawn into them the rest place. Yeah, no, that's so true. Sorry, I just wanted to spitball that thoughts and my brain. That's good. I mean, you've you seem to have like some developed opinions about how you think you should look. You talked about how it should be like as burnable as possible. I mean, what do you picture that engine looking like in terms of the trainer lines and what? What fills up that space? Yeah, I mean I'm pretty sure that it should only play like two supporters in Marni and boss's orders. And like maybe...

...a Lisa sparkle, but like not as a very high count because you're not really hoping to use that in most cases. So it's probably going to be you know, like three boss, like three two or three Marti too, a Lisa sparkle, and then the rest is going to be all geared around these burnable trainers, you know, of not even that many. I would rather also like do, instead of a ton of basic energy, like try to include the battle B Ip Pass, because I know a lot of players are looking at the capture energy as being, you know, the primary way, or one of the primary ways, alongside of Quick Ball, to get out your Pokemon, but I'm kind of seeing more. Well, what if I just had battle VIP pass, like that seems like a way better, and like fog crystal together. Yeah, and if yeah, exactly, Battle Vipass, battle VIP pass and fog crystal as my ways to get out pokemon. So I would just again be playing at Super Turbo, trying to keep your energy to like eight or less, so something like the the for fusion energy and then somewhere between, you know, two hundred and four psychic energy, with the rest being capture energies and then just everything else burnable stuff. I wouldn't even bother with any other tech pokemon. So I don't think I would bother with like the or Choreo. I don't think I would bother with the lot us or the Lot Eos. I would just go mew and genes sect and I know it's I mean, it sounds kind of weird, but I'm pretty sure that no laughing. Yeah, play it. Well, I'm pretty sure that's going to be the best way to play it. And then I would try to play as many hammers in the open slots of big hammer guy. Yeah, yeah, because I think to what the deck wants and like, going back to how I'm conceptualizing the deck, is that you don't want to discard anything necessarily so or like you don't want to discard the power tablets. Right. It's going to be one turn that you can have where you just play all of your power tablets and you've already burned through your deck so much that it's not unreasonable to get them all on one turn, because for the most part the power tablets aren't doing anything if you're just playing one at a time, but they can completely shift the game if you get all for now. How possible is that? You know, not very but again, I don't want to be using my supporter on, you know, P and e discard of power tablet when I didn't need to and then going off of that. So, yeah, I don't know. The way I see it is like being able to do that to ten and maybe you play like a vitality band or two. I know that's something that hasn't really been explored, but to get to that two hundred and twenty, which is kind of our magic number for Basic Pokemon v and then just being able to do those those power tablet shenanigans, I think, I think that's going to be the way to go. I like it. Like it a lot of item cars is always fun to play. Oh yeah, it's going to be C card, play card, for sure. I love this kinds of dex, the card that glows on tcg Oh goes. Yeah, if it blows a good I love that. As with all of these players, are going to be like a lot of it. There rack, there acts. So I mean, how do you think the game responds to me? And I guess we could sit over that, on that that for a second. As we see go into our ad read and then we can talk more about, you know, what the metagame will change with, with the introduction of fusion strike. I do want to, before we do that, talk about our card of the day. And so our card of the day for today is also a very versatile pokemon card, and that is going to be another view, of course, in homage to the new fusion strike mew and that it is mu x with lower case x. So the legendmaker view is one of the first,...

...it might be the first view that actually had like this kind of like copycat style to it. I don't I try to like look this up but I couldn't. Did Not have enough time to like really dig into it. But so mew ex can use the attacks all pokemon and play as its own. It was a hugely played card in its era being able to copy very useful pokemon like Menetrick, you know, very infamous Mutrick deck, and it's just it's not some pokemon card. We seen this be replicated a variety of times. It's kind of becomes muse thing. We had the shining view, we had the or like the the mew star. Rather, we had the mew prime, which copied from the last zone. We had me, you capital x, which was a staple in many Azar arc deck to deal with the buzz balls out there. We had mutwo and me, of course, and now we're at the the Mu Vmax. So I love the what you brings to the game in terms of being able to kind of like change up how decks are viewed and played. Because if we if genes sect was the attacker, it would work? Absolutely not. Yeah, it'd be a pretty horrible deck. And and we see that, though, consistently with these view cards, where it like livens up these cards that have a lot of potential but like need a little bit something more. You know, a great example of that is like a lot of the gx's that Mewtwo of you copied. They really needed that like a little bit something more. So yeah, I mean you were never playing at chars hard deck on its own, all right, chars our gx from the family pack, even you know, Megalopani, yeah, and Gigglie puff, like you were never playing that card on its own. Yeah, made for a really nice tool, bouse I, even though you two was kind of the poster child of that card, it was really mew that was doing the copying, so it don't get your facts mixed up. Okay, that's right. So firstile view and it's legacy on the game as it's been phenomenal, and fuse and strike is kind of the current culmination of that. But that's a fantastic card, Riley. Thank you. It's very pretty too, and it's in celebrations a great set. Love that you can front it. So support for tag team today comes from Man scaped. Guys, you've been hearing it on the cast for a while, but I really do like these products and you know, you might be going to Thanksgiving this year with your girlfriend or your boy friend and you're sitting around the dinner table and you're trying to be smooth, trying to be smooth, and you know what, you don't want to be unsmooth down there. Ladies and Gentlemen, manscaped is offering twenty percent off and free shipping when you use our code tag team at Manscapecom. We got ear nose hair trimmers. If you're anything like me, you need that. They got electric ball triumors, if you're anything like me, you need that. They got a bunch of different merchandise in terms of like shirts and we got shipped a pair of boxers. I don't know if that's right, that the boxers are to die for, quite Nice Cologne, etc. Etc. All these shaving supply. So get yourself over to Manscapecom and use the Code Tag team for twenty percent off and free shipping. That's right. If you are looking to evolve your marief into an ant for rose, then manscaped is the move for you. So Code Tag team. That's tag team at Manscapecom for twenty percent off and free shipping. You don't want to miss out on that. And you get to support the cast with the rashes, so that's a huge incentive as well. So thank you, guys, for heading not over Manscapecom, code tag team, and thank you, maskate, for being a partner of the cast. So,...

JW, what is the impact of me on the Meta game? We kind of referenced earlier how there might be some sort of cyclical nature with the single strike deck beating the mew deck up and you having a pretty strong strangle and everything else. I mean, can these other decks respond to me effectively? What does that look like? Do they need to change the way they work? Yeah, it's a great question and it's really tough to say. I mean my initial like thought is that, you know, there's mew that beats up on everything that's not dark and then dark somewhat keeps it in check, and dark certainly loses to certain other things. I mean dark has a somewhat difficult matchup against leafy on, or has in the past. Now obviously you're getting Ganga and throwing that in the mix, so maybe it's not quite so bad. You know, you have dex like Sylvia or Joltian that I don't see beating a mew deck consistently. There's just a lot of things out there that I think just kind of would fold to really early pressure, getting like their their main Pokemon v knocked out on the second turn of the game. So I think, yeah, we're looking at kind of like a like a weird triangle where it's like mew loses to dark but beats everything else, and then dark beats mew but maybe has a few other bad matchups in the metagame. I guess I perspective those. I don't think it's not like a true triangle right, like it's not like everything pep is that like everything beast dark no, no, no, that's not really what I mean. Yeah, it's I know, I know, there are a few things in the general metagame that would be dark, you know, but I guess my biposire taste, it's like you're taking you're taking mew, like to win a tournament. You're taking mew. You're taking dark. Are you taking the field like? That's kind of how I'm looking at it. No, I agree. I'm just saying, doesn't that just make dark like the best stack? Then if, if it beats up on you, you beats up everything else and dark doesn't lose to everything else. I don't think you're wrong. If I were going to a tournament tomorrow, I would take dark and I would take it with at least a you know, one one or two to like Gangar. Maybe not a super thick gangar line, but I like anger a lot. It covers a lot of you know, it's certain type coverage against decks that would take advantage of that. Here the your bring brow gang are antibar. I am. Yeah, I am. I think can get a lot. It's just a lot easier to attack with the with the gang are. So I like that about it. Yeah, and wait till we raved about gang art just last week, and how could we think that cards going to be? Do you play the gang are with the the vitality band that we talked about to get that three and twenty? It could be cool. Yeah, I think you probably do, at least like a one of or something. But yeah, I think that's kind of cool. So I mean, I would agree. I would also take single strike to a tournament, although I would consider playing the bear version just to show up the field matchups a little bit more, but I don't think that's like a necessity either. Yeah, it's going to be you know, we're all playing it by your right, because nobody knows, and I think it'll be really fun to see what emerges this weekend from the full grip k. If you guys haven't already gotten tickets, I know they're not sold out, so be sure to hop on over there to full grip Gamescom to participate in the first tournament in this new, didn't new, metagame. But yeah, like you said, do you play it with gang are? Do you play it with the Ershiafu? I think the only nonnegotiable is that you do want a very thick line of umbreyon.

I mean that card just seems ridiculous. Yeah, so, yeah, I think that's like the only nonnegotiable. So I think a lot of it is really up to up tire your feeling. The ursh Fou were going the gang a route, I would personally play gang are again because it's just so simple to set up. Yeah, but I don't think you can really go go wrong. I think they're both pretty viable. So I think the other main deck to really come out of fusion strike is the intellion. You know, the rapper strike, it tellian being able to return that energy and loop Cheryl's and things like that. Do you think that deck has any place in this sort of metagame? Um, that one's that one's the wild card from me. I haven't really played it, I haven't seen it that much. And then my theory in my head says that it'll be. It'll be good against decks that have, you know, low HP bench sitters, but not particularly good against, you know, these heavy v Max decks. That's again, that's all purely kind of head theory. Yeah, I'm my kind of my head theory on it is more I think that deck really leans into Cheryl as it's kind of wind condition. Yeah, you just keep returning the energy, you keep schrylling and eventually kind of overwhelmed your opposing v Max. So I kind of folds that strategy over. Is If you can surmount the intellion in one hit single strike, and me you can theoretically both do that or, if you have some of your own healing as well, to kind of counteract their Cheryl, which basically negates their game plan for a turn. The not ton of decks. They're like superherrel heavy right now. I mean Joel Tiana is kind of the Premier Cheryl user and I think Joel Tean of not in a great spot because single strike is so popular and you with triple tablet does one hit Ko, the JOLTI on a lot. Yeah, the Joelti on. Yeah, the jolty on having three hundred HP, I was just going to say, is really relevant. Yeah, all of a sudden it's like super elevant outside of the guil for girl Thrust Yep. So that's that great. And I think actually rapid strike, like Ercy food, remains like a decent decks. So the the Joltia doesn't love that either. I think Joel Te on is kind of in a tough spot right now in terms of some of our main stays for the last format. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Do you have any thoughts, Riley, on again going in looking back at some of the other top decks, like something like drag a poult? I don't want to get off too much on and tell you on, but while we're talking about these bench kind of snipe holder on, you know, I do feel like there is some parallel to to drag up all when we're talking about in telling on. So do you feel like you know because drag a pult was good like dust and telling on is good? Do you feel like both of these decks kind of fall off like we're you thinking of that now? I think they both kind of served different purposes. To be honest. I don't think you're supposed to lean too hard into the intellion's ability the shooter. I think you're mostly just lean into like the simplicity of it and trying to and trying to share all with the Intelli on engine alongside you. And whereas drag a pull functioned more as like a disruptive deck. You know, you have like your hammers or your path to the peaks and you're constantly like slowing your opponent down and progressively building up like this board state. So I guess they do have a similarity in the fact they're kind of like this inevitable deck where it's like I'm going to set up a board state where I'm going to attack next turn and win the game no matter what you do. I think dragged pole and in Talley on both kind of do that, but they do it in different ways, whereas dragon pole is like slowing you down and placing damage all over your board and it Tellyan's kind of focusing its...

...damage a little bit more, but it has a lot of healing to counteract what you have previously done, if that makes sense. Yep, definitely. So I do think they accomplish like a similar goal, but in like very different paths to get their path yeah, for sure. And Dragon Pole suffers more from single stripe than in Talley on does, because that umbreyon. Yeah, it's shaping up to be pretty interesting. I do feel like we're going to settle in to a very kind of ordered metagame. Obviously, whenever you're releasing a new set, there's a lot of things up in the air. But I do kind of feel like, just as this last format really settled toward toward about the midway point, like, I think we're going to get that as well, because we're really only adding in, I would say, what you know to too higher endex like the mew. We've been talking about a lot, but it's definitely a lot different than some of the other previous like best decks or best archetypes, like Quasea, really didn't make that much of an impact. You know, I turn it. This was certainly like really good, but not necessarily, you know, unbeatable. In a lot of ways. Mew is just super consistent, much more consistent certainly than those other two, and I think that is again there's a lot to be said for that. And then we also have like Gangar. That would be the other thing that, like is immediately jumps out to me. And we don't even know necessarily that the gang are will be played because, like you're saying, like we're even debating right now on whether or not single strike is better off with the the umbre on and the Hershifu or the umbrean in the Gangarl, like there's still some debate on that even before you know, things get started. So it's not like immediately that the gang ares, Oh of course you play the gang are it's like there's some there's some debate and I think you can go a lot of differoys, you know, and telling on. Will it make that much of an impact? It's hard. I found historically it's hard to rely on a supporter for a wind condition, which is, like you said, what in telling on does it's very difficult to agree. I do for especially when you don't have like a lot of ants. Larry Draw, yes, like hard draw, exactly exactly. So you know, you were looking at decks in the past that have relied on supporters for wind conditions. I would think back to like us or our deck right, where it really relied in some matchups on just chaining hex maniac and you were a little more able to do that in those past formats because of course Zora could draw your cards. That's not quite the case. When then tellion. I've been seeing people played The v Max with other intelliance and the thing about playing it with other intelliances eventually you're not going to have another intellian. I totally agree on the bench right. So that just that scares me a little bit. That's not to say it's not going to be a viable deck. I just think it takes it out of kind of that like tier one or tiers and maybe moves it into that, you know, tier two, tier three position. A couple other decks that I just want to highlight. We did play some with Bolton Vmax, which was really fun. It definitely feels like a better it's crazy to say actually, but it definitely feels like a better quis at deck, just from the limited games that I got with it. And then I also feel like a card that's a little underrated right now is carbominable. Yeah, it's still on the carobominal train. I don't know. I think Chrbomina will could be cool, whether or not it's in a stall deck or a mill deck or just by itself. I mean the second attack is pretty good, so I think you'd probably had to play it with obviously melanie, but maybe like a frost last line. But being able to change that. I mean there's something to be said for you know, if you can get some intellions out, you're doing a ton of damage. Yeah, relatively cheaply, like you're taking one hit chos with that carebominable. So it...

...probably won't amount to anything, but it's just something that's on my radar, at least at this point. It's a good, good video deck if nothing else. Absolutely yeah, Fan type of Friday. Give me chrebominable next week. I so is there anything else that kind of sticks out to you? Any decks that that you think survive the the mew and single strike reckoning that's coming upon us? Really great question. Of It's it's kind of tough. Like you could maybe say syl Beon. You know, Sylvian has kind of occupied a space where it can play a bunch of tech attackers that can, you know, be sub substituted for any matchup right, like you could play it with grass, like we've seen people play it with Lefon, and like you could theoretically play lef On v Max alongside of Syl beonv Max. You know dark. I think it is probably the more popular variance and the one that I really like of Syl Beon. So that just makes a lot of sense going into the mew with the Sylvian. And then you have you know, I if the single strike decks are playing more of the Ershia Fu. Right then you have obviously still beyond hit that weakness. So is it time first to Multris to come back? You know, Ershfu Multris I? I think it could. It's not crazy. You're that's crazy. You're given up on your guy over there. And No, I mean it's not crazy. It wasn't the greatest deck at the end of last format. So I just it's probably going to be one of those things where it's like my pet deck, but I'm never going to tell people like, Oh, yes, you absolutely are, at least from this point, like you absolutely need to play this deck. That one's that one kind of feels like it's making its way more into like niche, very metagame special rapid strike Melanie, maybe rabbit strike Melanie is very cool. Certainly that could make an impact. I mean rapid strike, I don't think you can ever really count out, because the snipe attack on that is just so disc that turns that rapper close good for whatever reason. Yeah, crazy right, especially for you know, these decks that are trying to set up like you look at single strike and like a rapid strike vmax on turn to against a single strike deck and you just take out two hondoms or two hond hours, like that's the worst feeling in the world. I agree. So, yeah, I come back to the main question, like what do I think could be viable? Syl Be on kind of kind of leaps out to me as like, well, they can cover a lot of bases, so that's going to be pretty pretty important to try to beat the top two decks. Yeah, I mean, in my mind I think rapid strike decks are hanging on. They're trying their hardest out here. And then I think it's really we got to see the metagame. Of all, we're gonna have to see how the mew decks finalize themselves as well. Like I could see dex that either leverage path really well or can come out really strong. That like maybe strade into me. You DANKIS and chat calls out speaking and I think speak and maybe could continue to find a place for itself. I think it's not as strong as before. I think speaking can hang because you force is forced to fill its bench right, so you can you can come out pretty aggressive with the damage they're but really I think I agree with you. I'd play. I would play single strike given the chance right now. I don't know, seems the most immediately good. Could be completely wrong on that, but yeah, if I'm wrong, I would just go oh to drop at the full grip house there. That's okay, certainly. And I think the other thing too, that we need to take into account and we need to say certainly, is, like we've been talking about the consistency of the MEW v Max deck, but rabbit strike can be a little inconsistent. Strike me, or single strike I should say, can be a little inconsistent, certainly one of the more inconsistent of the top tier deck. So yeah, again, just take that into consideration. Like on tag...

...team they said that they would play single strike and then and then I take play it and I can't draw any good hands. It's like well, yeah, that's you got a draw good. Yeah, you have host a strong just I don't know if you've ever considered drawing good before, but I certainly would do that. But yeah, just take that as a grain of salt. Like we're saying, okay, this is good. Again, in that vacuum, like you're going to have objectively worse hands with the single strike deck than you most likely will with the mew deck. Or really and almost any other, you know, High Tier List. I agree. So I mean I think we've made our point clear here. JW, is there any parting wisdom you want to give the listeners this week? I mean, if you're going to the full group tournament, I think don't be super prepared for the newer decks. Like don't don't metagame completely around the newer decks. I think generally when we go into these new formats it's going to be hard for people, especially with these newer sets where they're the cars just seem like they've been really hard or they've been really expensive to get ahold of. Yeah, just I wouldn't worry too much, like about me, for instance, like I think there will be a handful of players, like there were a handful of Ray quasa players at the first full grip k when of all mcskys were was released. So I'd say the same thing about this is, like there's probably going to be about five players that have them, you deck. If I had to put, you know, money down on it, yeah, I could eat my words. I have no stake because I'm not going. So, you know, again, take that with a grain assault but just don't be don't be freaking out about any matchup in particular because there might not be that much of them. And then, even if there is that much of them, like you might never see it. I've had that happened to me many times at tournaments where I I'm really worried about a certain deck. It actually does turn out to be very highly played, but then I just never saw it throughout the course of the day. Yeah, so just just go with what your confident in, what you have put time into, and and and know the best, and it'll do. You know, you'll let fate decide. I guess I was going to say you'll do well, but that's not true. I need to get out of that habit. Like it. It's not guaranteed that you'll set yourself up to do you'll set yourself up to do well. There you go, not committing right. Well, I think my word of wisdom I would echo ith GW said. I would say if you're looking for an older deck to maybe revive, I would I would Meta game single strike more than you and I would bring with thee on a snikly fe on in there. Otherwise, though, I would say have fun, stay hydrated, eat your vegetables, and we will catch you all scaped next time. There you go. Be sure to check us all out on social media. We can catch you can catch us on twitter. That's as smiles of Friles at Reel Shawn Walter and at tag team Pokemon for the cast, and we record live every single week at TWITCHTV. MONTER GW also streams at Tish, atva, flex, steady righteous and has a youtube channel that you should all check out. With that will be signing off and we'll catch you all next time this see you.

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