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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 4, Episode 15 · 8 months ago

4-15. Observations With Omnipoke

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

JW joins forces with Joe Bernard to give you a glimpse at Pokemon content creation as well as a look at the current meta. Joe will give his opinion on Peony and some surprising thoughts on Battle VIP Pass. Listen in! Thanks to our sponsor Manscaped - get 20% off + free shipping with code TAGTEAM. #sponsored

Welcome back everyone to tag team, the POKEMON Trading Card Games Premiere podcasting duo. But today we're Solo, well kind of Solo. I have a special guest here with me. I'm JW Curry, while and I'm joined by Joe from I'm the poke. How are you today, Joe? Yeah, pretty good. Thanks. How Bell, really enjoyed the channel, so happy to be here. This is a great it's just really great to have you. We've talked with a number of content creators, but you're a one that I have really wanted to have on the cast, but it's always been kind of awkward because they're over in, you know, the United Kingdom, and that's what five hours away from us. So I'm recording this a little earlier than I normally would for tag team and it's, you know, eleven or thirty, I guess now, and I for you. That's right. Yeah, so we've Joe. Joe revealed to me before we started the stream that he has a video to film after this. Yeah, I'm not great at planning ahead. So basically I'll jump some games on pcg other and then, like if something is just like interesting, or is he something new or something like catches my eye. Oh, jem a few games and then like I'll be happy to record it if I feel like it's good. Today was one of those days. But, like everything I try, I just didn't go well, so now I'm just like twiddling my thumbs a little bit longer. I have definitely, definitely been in those siture, like any content creator could tell. You're right, it's like when you don't have unlimited time. You kind of just had the make some things work. Yeah, yeah, absolutely so. Joe, for those that don't know, runs a very successful youtube channel, has over twentyzero subscribers, doing primarily pokemon TCG content in terms of like competitive but there's also some there's also some, you know, collecting side of things. I know that you have maybe one of your most successful videos actually handles kind of where to start in terms of collecting. So walk us through a little bit of your channel and you know you run it with with Jack as well. Tell us how that all started in terms of being a duo channel? Yeah, well, you'll set your self as a duo as well with Riley, and obviously it's a similar story. Where right, we're just good friends with friends. Before hand we were the ones that would sort of talk to each other about the game anyway, and we actually sort of mate each other in a pokemon online tournament from another Youtube Channel. Actually it was pokemon Dan level forty five. Oh my goodness, around long enough. Yeah, that is a throwback. Yes, so, of course he was a UK content creator. He moved on to minecraft and that was very successful on Youtube. But yeah, he was one of the top channels back in the day, especially European channel. So we were playing in one of his online events and that's how we started testing together because we were on the same time zone right so and I didn't have a leak near by me. So that's how we sort of got togever as friends and start playing lots together other and I think it was actually around the time where Pokemon Dan moved away from the pokemon scene. was where we sort of felt that there was that gap, especially in the UK, where there wasn't much content growing up going on at all. So that was really where we sort of dipped our toe in content creation together. So yeah, sure, that's really cool. That's really cool. It's nice to see those because I have a number of friends that I met first through a forum or you know online and we've just developed these friendships. So that's let's see, let that puts you maybe trying to think recommend Dan, like when? When? When was there that you started the channel? The taught the tournaments that we played in and first met. It was like storm front into the heart gold soil silver series. So I think it was prequel of legends. Okay, so around what's that like? Twenty ten and something like that, and we didn't start the channel for a number of years after that. We were still really new. Be actually we were both terrible that. We learned the game together really and Jack went to of your events in the seniors division before actually even turned up to a tournament. But the channel basically started when I was just dipping my toe into competitive that little bit more. So that was around I think it meet opening a box of flash fire. I beincause our first video. So, oh my gosh, that's around the time zone for there. And it was very sporadic because as most channels are as they begin and yeah, you know, it becomes more and more frequent as you get stuck into it. Is it is that video still up? Oh yeah, yeah, it's me. It's terrible. It's like I'm recording on my laptop, I'm sat on a bed, like in my university room. Yeah, and I'm pretty sure like I opened like two packs and then I have to stop recording because my roommate comes in. It's really loud. It's like quintessential, like old youtube. It's, oh my gosh, that's amazing. It's kind of funny, though, like how much the standard changes, right, just the more that you do it more, because I went back, this was maybe like three or four months ago,...

...and I watch some of my first youtube videos and I was like these are, you know, tear like. I still know I have a long way to go, but like those were something else. So and you don't even realize how you develop, just like your presence on camera and all that sort of stuff, and how bad you are at the at the beginning, just talking to yourself. It's a strange skill to learn. Yeah, but you are doing it like on the job basically. So it's a complete different product to when your first recording. So it's just all a back experience really and try an error. We have a question from chat. Mike asked what did JOE take at university? Psychology was the course that tip at Universe, okay, and now you are not really doing that. It was a subject I enjoyed the most from school. I never really had the intention of like going into psychiatry or anything like that. It was just the course that was most interesting to me at the time. So yeah, yeah, a very cool so tell us a little bit about what you're doing now. So it's something completely different really. I'm working in the finance departments of my family business, well, my parents family business, I guess, and it's an antibody distribution company, which is like a long way of saying that we basically get goods in from abroad and seldom domestically in the UK. Yeah, so what are some like things that we could buy from the JOE Bram family business? But it's well, it's lots of like universities buying from us, lots of research, okay, antiquities and stuff like that, just trying to make medical and scientific breakthrough. So we were selling like everything from covid testing kids to like sure, that's free agents in that field as well. So it's been touch would decent for us throughout the pandemic. Yeah, and Nice. We've actually had some like omnigrome stuff going through today. We had it like delivered, so everyone was kind of taking a step back from it. That sort of stuff cool, very cool. So in terms of in terms of content creation, what really got you motivated or what keeps you motivated now that you've been doing it for, you know, half a decade plus. Yeah, what keeps you motivated to continue to make content and produce, you know, produce content for the POKEMON TCG? I think for me, you know, being a content creator for maybe the last three years, but certainly consuming content for much longer. I've seen a lot of people kind of defect from Pokemon TCG. I mean we talked about Pokemon Dan like that's probably like a, you know, one of the shining examples, but there's a number of other creators that I can think of just off the top of my head. You know, purple cliff comes to mind. Is like a recent one who used to play TCG and now has moved on to the video games. But what keeps you invested in the TCG and what motivates you? Well, I guess it's mostly because I'm just still super invested in playing the TCG anyway. So, like if I'm thinking my time into it regardless, I'm as with to stick the recorder on. A lot of the time I love showing like my creative side, especially when new sets come out. I think that's the time have the most fun creating content because you're in your own little bubble figuring out what cards you think of the best and trying to like formulate these strategies. If that really is one of the things I like the most about making videos, and that's why we put a lot of emphasis on, you know, that set reviews, and we're really proud of those and how much time we put into the testing beforehand and that sort of thing. Even if they don't end up acturate. It's really difficult to picture, you know, like what every different person is going to come up with it. So they're sure, and obviously it's only two brains as opposed to look a hive mind, right. So absolutely, theoretically, the hive mind is going to be able to generate better, you know, for sure lists some things, but I think we always do a decent enough job at getting a starting point. At least had some testing, even against some of the other new archetypes, but always against some of the old stuff as well. So that's what really is my favorite part about the channel. And Yeah, I like playing games. I like you know, a lot of the time early on as well, I was recording my games to improve as a player, because I was having to justify my actions out loud. So every single time I almost used it as like a testing process, and you may even hear me sometimes on videos saying I'll go back and watch this game and see what I could have done differently, because it's much better than having that sort of hazy memory of what you did on term three. That could have been different sort of things. So it's actually helped me as a players. I used it as a bit of advice in that regard as well. That's really interesting. Would you suggest that to other players, like just as a piece of advice, to you know, record themselves like, you know, making a youtube video in a sense, like said something that. Yes, Suject, I actively did that what I was doing coaching. I did it for a small portion of time, for like a nine month stint, and I definitely encouraged and would watch back other people and talk to them about what their rationalization was in certain instances and why it's either correct or incorrect or how it could have been done differently, because...

...it's really hard to like you see people making plays all the time and they can quite easily justify it to themselves and they're constantly justifying as you play the game, like in your head, but actually from a coaches perspective, hearing where their rationale is is really helpful. But it also trains them that when they're in the game they have to actually tell themselves why they're doing every single action, even though it's like basics a lot of the time. So I think it's good both ways really to or always be sort of justifying decision making. Hmm, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of good things that people can take from these high level players about, certainly something like that as simple as that, you know, where it's just narrating what you're doing and then, yeah, you going back to me. That's why we always like tune into towards screams, as all streams, my home screams right, because they're constantly justifying and they're very high level players or what they do. So people want to hear those insights and that's just naturally going to improve them as plays as well and keep them on top of the game. Do you feel like you have a ways to go in terms of your play? Like where do you feel like you're in game play? Like do you feel like you're at a peak right now? Do you feel like there's a long ways to go? I would say about that? Yeah, I think I'd play a relatively good standard. I think there's definitely some justifications that can still go right here and there, but I think I'd play a decent level. Obviously, like results wise, world's playing out the last four years. Well, you know when we actually had worlds, one a regional, second regional was one a special event. So I can't go deep in some tourments. Yeah, I wish I had the chance to play more internationals. Yeah, so many that I don't get. Now we see myself on that scale, which is, you know, something interesting. I've played in like a couple and not done too well at them, some of the earlier ones, but I think that would be where I would like step up from being, you know, good within my country to becoming, you know, top fifty global player. I think I'm not there. Ye, I would say I'd like probably top fifty Europe, but not top fifty global, okay. And so what do you think it would take? Well, I play a lot, but a lot of time when you're playing for content, it's not really the same. Yeah, competitive, yeah, playing, and I think ladder is such an easy trap to make you think that you're putting time into the game, but it's really suboptimal time that you put yes the game because of so many like so that you don't know how good people are when you're playing against them. You don't how could their lists are. It gives you a really good aspect of like when you're in tournament play, because you don't know what their decks are going to be, so you're playing around cards they may not even have, which is like the one good aspect. But actually spending time playing with someone at a high level and specifically targeting matchups and how, like a two cards change influences those matchups is something that I would only really do in a build up to tournaments, and I think having that mindset like more frequently will be good and I think that's going to be the mentality I take when we get TCG live. Finally, right a lot of people will be becoming more intentionally like try harding than just jamming games on PCG o. So hopefully it's like a natural progression for a lot of people to push to, you know, be better players as well. Yeah, and especially content creators too, because, like you said, it's kind of, you know, I don't know if you feel this way about Pokemon, but I feel like there's a frequency aspect because of, you know, the you know, there's kind of this pressure to put out a video every day or every other day, you know, covering the new best archetypes or covering the next set that's coming out or whatever. It's kind of like this constant change and constant flux that influences how often people are putting out videos. And so, like you said, you know, it's a struggle to really hone in on certain decks or hone in on certain strategies when you're always having to recycle, you know, into these new decks and trying to show them off. You know, do you what's kind of your philosophy when you're thinking about how you create content? Like, do you think about, you know, frequency that much? You putting like quality over quantity, and what are some kind of philosophies that you have when you're thinking about content creation and where you want the channel to go. Sure, well, I think there's so much competition out there right now, but if you'll not moving forwards and constantly putting out content, you're falling behind and a lot of instances, and the Algorithm is making you go behind if you're not actually recording contents. I'm very conscious of days where I'm taking off and whatnot. I could prepare a lot more because, like, I don't like set up videos so much. I'm only recording for the content that night or, you know, maybe a couple days in advance, that sort of thing at most. So I think regimenting is something that I could easily improve on to improve the channel. But a lot of the time it's whatever I'm focused on at the time and you can only have at tension in so many areas and, like you said, you don't really become a master of everything. You can only really dip your toe into so...

...many things and then move on to the next thing. That's just the nature of content. But I think you're still trying to produce something a good enough level where you've you can at least put your like sort of stamp on something. Either it's personal preference cards or insights of in Gameplay that you can provide. I think that's something that I do really try and strifle and also offer like alternate cards that people could add in. If they don't necessarily like your list, it doesn't mean they're not going to write the video. So writing rather try and offer up that. Inside I'm always trying to be like the competitive side. I can't show off decks, I think it intentionally bad, with a straight face and say hey, this is gonna make fun. That's just not me. It's not how my mind works. I don't I don't find losing fun. I find winning fun area. Yeah, I want to put out like only what I think is the best stuff and obviously, you know, take it with a pinch of salt. Sometimes we get things wrong or whatever, but that's always my intention as I'm going into these videos. Yeah, that's good. That's good. How have you felt like, you know, over the years, content has changed. What is you see? Have you seen from you know, when you first started to now? HMM, well, it's a head of a grind now, like I said, everyone is trying to put out a video a day. There's a good amount of editing I still think the POKEMON TCH is a long way to go in terms of editing. Yeah, but it's definitely some top channels doing it well frequent and see is just ridiculously high that you're combining videos with streams as well now as well. So there are people like full time, which is just impossible to compete with. I think if you're only doing it parts. I'm realistically but I also think there's a real drive to like feed the algorithm rather than produce helpful content, which is the main thing that I like kind of against. I feel like over at least Frau Covid, we've seen that there's been a massive move towards like a top ten list once a week, and I think for me and that is content that is like really strange, because we having weektoweek events and we have like six events online and a like seventy pair tournaments and you can basically jam anything you want to and we don't really know the incentive that people have to play. They're just playing whatever cars they want to online and like a week, two week Meta is like something that can kind of happen. I remember like jamming cities and when regionals were week to week, things would obviously change, but it's really odd saying like this is jumped down from six to seven. It doesn't really like meet anything to me and it doesn't I don't feel like it's helpful, but it's something that gets like a lot of views and generates a lot of attention a lot of time. Yeah, so it's something that just doesn't suit me, but I guess I'm looking at it from where I'm sitting rather than like a competitive stamp. I like a casual standpoint where people don't just want to know what's good right now exactly, you know. So I think sometimes I don't look far out enough at what the general population wants and I'm just sort of thinking about what I would like to watch and listen to. But you kind of managed to improve on yeah, I was going to say you, because you kind of mentioned like you have to feed the algorithm, you know, you had to stay ahead, if you're not moving forward, to kind of moving backwards. So you feel like that's maybe a way that you're not kiddering quite to the casual audience. Yeah, it's one of those things I don't I say at the same time I don't want to force the content, you know. So it's like, even though I can understand that it may not be optimal or whatever or like taking all the boxes, I feel like just having a genuine product is still going to be better than forcing myself to do things that I think would be strategically smarter. What do you think is the optimal POKEMON TCG channel? I'm just curious, like just picking your brain on this, because I know you've thought about this a lot, or at least it comes across that way. So I actually I actually have like a spreadsheet about that sounds that sounds right. The secrets my life is on a spreadsheet, like honestly, but I have everything down to like how many minutes all the video should be. What should those entails? If that US? I have the plan like there. I just it's not for me. And also I think that, like my again, because I'm geared mortal competitive, when they're less people actually playing competitive and there's less incentive right now, I think all of my data is like currently skewed competitor channels which can provide fun content instead, because you're getting like a ton of casual people and there's a lot of people you know who have been playing again for many years, like ten bus years, and they just have no incentive to even like look at the game right now and they're just say, when real cards come back, I'll look the month in advance and then pick it up from there. and that's the other skills from many years ago and they could be much better. But yeah, I have looked in depth because it is important, obviously, even though it's not like my income or anything. Right, what I want the channel to have the best reach possible, right, because I feel like what I'm producing is usually informative and somewhat entertaining. I mean, I would agree with yeah, I mean I can appreciate certainly, like you know, you mentioned the...

...the future, looking, you know, new set releases, kind of putting a lot of time into looking at those new cards, and I find that very valuable, certainly, and getting kind of a handle on what's to come. So that is that is definitely being appreciated. So give us some insights, kind of you know, I see you scrolling through the spreadsheet. Give us someone sides. I don't want to give away the secrets because people have more time to commit and they could do it better than me. Okay, all right, like. Well, just like one little thing, one little the littlest one, you know, likes things that you think about that no one else would. I think, well, this isn't exactly something that no one else would think of. But I think a massive gap right now is actually just more like round table discussions. I think I'm lot the time we're seeing a ton of content where it's this person's one opinion. Here's what those things best is that Dick Eddie a deck video. See you later. Let Peace outsee tomorrow. And I know why there's not very often this happening because it's really hard to like juggle schedules in this that the other kind of work. I used to love. The man there was a channel that was like just about interviews. I know obviously squeaky did interviews for like many, many years and still does team fishing. nuckles. Yeah, but there's been a ton of sea growth. That's the one. Oh yeah, round table discussions, and I think weaving that sort of content in gives you insight from so many different areas and so many people. You know you're tight. You're multiplying the amount of time and knowledge within that very specific categories by like five, just by having five different people there. They'll be people who have been like jamming speaking Lud Kolo, people who have been jamming U Vmax, people jamming Ganga, and they can all provide insight that you may not have. You know. Yeah, but but JOE. Okay. So, why would I do around table discussion there takes maybe an hour with like three other people and I get five thousand views or a thousand views or whatever it is, when I could just make the same video of just me talking for about ten minutes? They gets the same. You know. Yeah, I mean that's that's exactly why we're not seeing it right now. But I have like what I would call the perfect channel or din like writing. But it would be like so much work and dedication, yeah, this thing and also like almost like brute forcing people on there to fit your time schedule and be like hey, I'll just get someone else if you can't do it for this time or whatnot. And Right, yeah, it's just not like the most practical channel, I guess, but it would be, at least from a competitive standpoint, what I think would be optimal. So where do you see kind of the future of your channel going? Do you see you kind of can you know, walking the same path any innovation that you have planned coming up? Where's the future of team am the pope? Yeah, well, as you said, practically it's still very easy to be the algorithm with these constant videos, which are most likely still going to be deck analysis battles or like deck tech or whatever you want to call it. But trying to differentiate from the other channels it's like a really big thing. So not just having like top ten lists each week, but having various content from various formats as well. I know that, like it's really weird for the algorithm because people don't like watching like cube content that I put out or like older format content often times gets less views than standard, and I get that right. It's a knowledge gap and this than the other is a niche within a niche with a niche, right. I think it that can help you branch out and get newer viewership as well. So it's like it's not exactly just clicks that you need to be watching. You need to be write looking at all different things that like filter people into the channel. So those are things I'm definitely conscious of. My main thing that I'm really excited to see in terms of differentiation is how people or different channels react and create cool differently under the TCP life. So I think they'll be some people who just like hard Janney, let me get top legend this month or whatever. Right. Then they'll be people like, I don't know if there's certain flaws, like I haven't halved, and they have certain flows of levels. So like say you hit legend and you're not going for number one legend or whatever. Right, like get with good level so you're facing good opponents and then you're just going back to that variety of contents. Right. I've actually found, because of ptcgos, single ladder and this kind of hidden elosystem, I've actually found that it's really hard to record certain styles of video because I'm facing against players that have these tier one decks. When I see some other content creators actually being sick more successful because they're worse at the like at the game, and it's just because there's this happily there, right, because it's like a rabbit against you. Yeah, all of a sudden it makes it look like they're dec I actually works their weird rogue and it's like man, the deck is so stacked against me. Literally Yeah, so I'm interested to see how different channels will cope to live, because I think it's another differentiation point for these channels. You know, the fun content creates can still do that on the my blower ladder elements and stuff...

...right will just like hit legend later and it could even become like a seasonal thing where like early on in the month everyone's just pushing, grinding to hit certain milestones and then later on and month it's like, okay, let's clown because we've hit our achievements. Do you feel pretty? You know, I mean I feel excited about pcg live. I'm sure you do as well, but kind of. What are your thoughts about Ptcg live in terms of it as a as a platform? Oh, I'm see bretcited and I think for every content created it's going to be like a rising tide because they'll be so many new eyes on this new platform. I think it's incredible. So as long as you're producing frequent and, Ye enjoyable content, is going to be great for everyone involved. And I think just from my own personal standpoint, I'm a very, very competitive person and I play half stone right now, even though I don't even like the format because it has a lad and I want to hit legend right. So I will put so much time into playing live regardless. Yeah, it's gonna be a huge motivator for me to stream a lot more when I don't really have the motivation to stream right now, when there's no tournaments to play for, right, and it's basically just going to give us all incentive, right to just push ourselves harder. Mike says, do you think that the content creation aspect will get harder with live without trading available? So there's been some kind of thought that you know now that we can't trade away other archetypes, like just getting if everything costs, you know, five hundred dust or whatever, and then even if you're making, you know, these kind of rogue builds, like you're going to have to spend a lot to get the cards that you need to make these decks. You feel like that's going to be a limiting factor when it comes to content creation? I would say yes and no. It obviously hurts, like you say, rogue builders in comparison to now, right, because, yeah, you can just on a low budget. You can still produce a ton of content currently, because you can just naturally a trade for the things from the video yesterday. So then get things to the video today, whereas if it's a dust system, you are committing to those things and if you're gonna like sell them. We don't even know if there's a like a dust system, right, but I would imagine if there is, it's not going to be for full value. It will be for like partial half or something value, right. But I mean in terms of competitive I think it's going to be way better. Personally. We don't know the break points in terms of the dust system just yet for sure, but I imagine it's not going to be like so stringent and I think it'll be like wage people. People are super worried about it, but I think if you just want to jam like one of the Best Dex in format, like say you just could get yourself to single strike. Will commit yourself to wrapper strike on you, whatever it is. Yeah, that's going to be way easier, like on the drop, on the get go, to actually make that deck, whereas it's like a mad dash, right, it's a scramble for like a hundred packs just trying to get the fusion strikes stuff, and that's just not going to happen with the yeah, no, it's it's crazy. Every single set trap, it's just nuts to try to get your Muse, or you know, I mean, in this case, your Gena sex like it was just unbelievable this set, for sure. And it seems like every single set that comes out on pcgoh, it get it gets worse. I don't know. For me it just felt that way where it's like getting all these packs has really so good. I have I have just some questions on, you know, casting. Oh sure, yeah, how how? How do you feel that that fits into you're playing career, because, like you know, if you could cast every tournament, I'm sure you would want to do that. Right. So where do you see the future of yourself casting pokemon events? Well, hopefully it could start again soon. Yeah, right, right, capacity. But yeah, like I said, I will always pick casting because that's it's just for me. You get to see some realty, high level play. It sort of it feels that urge of you, or like it gets you to see pokemon like the best light a lot of time, because you get to see some really cool plays, some high level decision making going on when you're in at the tournament. You get to see sweet rope decks like doing well sometimes, or you get those stories, you know, of someone randomly top cutting with this deck or whatever, and I've been at like the Internet square toward invented Zoropod, right, and it's like the most incredible thing because you get to hear the whispers around the tables, basically, and then we feature him like round three and we're like, Oh, this is actually probably the most insane thing I've ever seen. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't end up winning the tournament. And then he goes and does it, you know, to see all these crazy things. Yeah, so it's just it's an amazing day and you're they're seeing all the people as well. You know, it's fantastic and you don't have that same pressure of like I was going to that torment of play, I would be committing like a month solely just like testing hard and like trite, right, and I'd like wouldn't sleep the night before and I put a ton of pressure on myself. And, friend, if you do well, it's like the ten out of ten. If you do terribly, it feels like a two outt of ten, and that your weekends ruined, and sometimes it's like financial stuff as well, whereas...

...when you're commentating there's still some pressure, obviously, because you don't want to like stumble on your words or screw up or make yourself look silly or anything like that. But it's like I'm a lot more chilled about it now because I've done it for like five years. Yeah, so I can just go in and chill and enjoy the day. Are there any memories from those weekends that really stand out to you? Like, for sure. I mean UK nationals. I literally got to hand one of my best friends the trophy, yeah, to winning that's that year and that was like such a sweet situation, especially when, like, I helped contribute to his list as well as it was level. That's awesome, such a great feeling. He actually had it in a misty's determination into best speak and Babloom deck. That was my rather good one. Let's go. I think he used in finals as well to hit like the last EC and I was like that's busted. And Yeah, like again you see so many people right, you get the whole torn an atmosphere. He is, you know, when you're not actually live, you're walking around the tables, what people playing, chatting to people as well, so you get the full torn and experience, just without the gameplay element, which is obviously like one of the best parts of it. But it feels like, because you're whenever I'm commentating, I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of both the players ureance. I'm almost trying to play their hands at the same time. So once you're finish commentating, you're just as tied outs of the players because you've essentially, yeah, the whole a rounds yourself, right, course, of course. Yeah, that's awesome. That's so awesome. Yeah, commentating would be an absolute, you know, Dream. I think that's just in and we've seen pokemon is. You're bringing on New People, they're they're willing to kind of expand at least how many tournaments there they're doing, and that's really an exciting thing in terms of the potential future of these, you know, regional streams from from pokemon. So exciting stuff. Well, let's get on to our card of the day. Joe, I know that you have prepared a card of the day for us today. Why don't you let us have it? Yeah, we're going back to the X era. We're going back to team rocket returns. I think you're playing back then, JW, I know I was not I started playing. It sounds about like the time you were replying, but right as I was I was researching content back when that SP in Spierra and then I had my first tournament hard gold, soil, silver on so nice. Okay, so this this pre dates both of us, I guess, but looking back, this is a sweet God. Is actually a train of card and it's a swoop teleport. So it allows you to Oh yeah, so that should it for a basic quoke when excluding a x, and switch it with a basic quokemon, again excluding a x in play. And this was like an engine because it allowed you to switch outs like whatever goofy poke when you started with turn into a dumb sposs or a Geracile GERACI and getting rolling in the game, and vice of verse. That it meant that those cool funky tech quoke one that get you in the game could be benched any point and then you can swoop them out later to be then involved them. And Yeah, exactly exactly did they now? Did they retain their status as being out for a turn? So if I had one out and then I you know, and I swapped it into a nit ran and then I could have bob it into you know. Yeah, they don't really know. It's essentially the same as Ninja boy, right, but in a trainer. So really, really awesome card and I had to shout this card out specifically because it's also the basis of cube one of the cube guys built, which is entirely basic pokmon in the cube. So so this is a perfect addition. There's a ton of the street teleporters. In the end, it's like an Allstar card in the draft and I had to sneak cube on to the pond somehow. Well, yeah, I mean let's talk a little bit about it. So how many cubes do you have? Is this basic? You just one of the many? Yeah, so, Irl I have like a regular evolution cube and I have this old basic cube as well. So I have two physical cubes, okay, but I have a ton online as well. Oh, sure that you can just jam on tabletop simulator or you can just do one like on tap or anything like that. So it's like one of my favorite ways to play pokemon still and yeah, keeps things fresh, keeps things interesting for sure. Speaking of keeping things fresh and interesting, tag team is brought to you by man scape. That's right. 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There are some color there's a Cologne that I have yet to use, but very exciting. Shirts and boxers. Of course they have lip bomb. They have, you know, of course, the lawn mower four, which Riley and I have been gushing about for the last few weeks. So get all that at manscapedcom. Of course, you can use twenty percent off and free shipping with the code tag team. That's tag team twenty percent off plus free shipping at Manscapecom. Thank you so much to Manscape for sponsoring the TAG team podcast. Now, Joe, I'd like to talk a little bit about what you think about the current Meta. We have what seems to me to be a bit of a Meta Triangle in the sense that mew vmax is this kind of dominant core best deck in format, just sole not necessarily that it that it is, you know, overpower hour it and its attacks, although they're it can hit for one hit Kos and you know, is very consistent, but it's just the amount of cards that can draw, the amount that it can see in a single turn, has some certainly one of the best decks in terms of like gusting up your opponents and disrupting them in that way, taking out their main attacker before it can really get all the resources necessary to do damage to your side of the field. So it has a lot of control over the opponent's side of the board. I view that as certainly the the best deck in format for that consistency aspect in that triangle. I view single strike decks as kind of that second branch. So if we have a best e can format, you got to have a counter to it. Single Strike, in my opinion, is that counter. So whether or not you play it with the umbreon or whether or not you play it with gang are. Single strike kind of occupies that second branch and then on the other side you have the Ershifu Multris. So that can kind of deal with me you and it can kind of deal with single strike, but it can also deal with a lot of the ragamuffins of the format, you know, the Malamars of the format. It can deal with, you know, the joltions the format, just all this other random stuff. I feel like the Ershfood DEX are really good at handling and at least put up a fight against me you and single strike. Would you kind of agree with that analysis or where do you see them Meta right now in your opinion? Yeah, I definitely agree that. Me You feels like just on a pedestal above the rest of the decks. Like he said, the consistency just puts it way over the top of the other archetypes. Single strike is certainly powerful in its own right, has a ton of good points going for it without the weakness that it can boast. But that's what's keeping it like, I would say solid solidly, like a number two, maybe alongside like a swe coon or a jolty on in there as well. They're kind of the top three or four decks, and then urge vow is also super relevant. Like you said, rapid strike is great at punishing all of these other decks that are trying to get cute and find other ways to beat you, because everyone has their sights on you as the best deck. Like every text. Lot goes there if you have space and run. Some people are just playing deck straight up to beat me right or at least target new in some aspect, and rapid strike is so good at punishing all of those. And the Multrez is interesting. I haven't tried enough moultras. I've mostly been focusing on just Melani urgy food M because I still think that has game plans against you. It just needs to draw. Like a lot of things very rare. But I've been watching toward do a ton of his streams recently and he's trying like metacham coming back into the list and increasing kids telescopic site count so that you can like buy that hitter and yeah, hit one hundred and Eighty Anna Bench, Jena sect and trashior. Okay. So is that? Is that the way that you win with a Melonie or she foot like walk me through that game plan. Melanie or she foo against Mew v Max. So ideally you're getting passimian telescopic down with your first rapid flow an. Ideally that knocks out one bench movie as well as setting up a Jeno sect, and then you're trying to buy that free turn on the Jena set with the Medcham Hmm, and then you're trying to at that same time, but it's been enough turns at that point. Respect, especially with the free turn that you can ping a jeto sect down to one hundred and eighty to then hit it again with the Presumian Telescopic Combo. You can also do funky things with like mellow letters and Latti ass that come into play because you can target them alongside a geno sector room you and then echoing horn them back as well. So there's a couple different variations. Often Times you need the damage mods to get yourself close enough to these these pokemon, especially because they can just deny any ping damage with fusions rike energy, right. So you have to get as pose well, you have to get into medajam range just say yeah, out the gates, which is pretty rough. I'm still kind of like against moltras. I know you've played a ton of the MOULTRAS building until you have more experience with it than I do, but I feel that motras is just like so easily targeted by me.

Yes, that is certainly one of the problems and you need to have if you're playing moultras. I'm pretty firmly in favor of playing three multras because, like you said, if you bench a multras turn one, there's a really good chance that that thing is going down and turned to. So you need to at least be able to attack or threaten to Moultras over the course of the game, figuring that one's going to get knacked out really early. And then you also need to play Ryhan, which was something that I wasn't playing before, because, yeah, you need to be able to just drop a multus down with no energy on it, Ryhan us the ability and attach and get that going on the following turn. So I found that that's kind of the best way to play the list to have any sort of shot against from you, but that there's like some inherent problems with that because there's just not enough space to include. You know, multus works really well when you can have more basic energy right, because you need to be discarding them early to be able to Diere flame wings them back, and if you can't get those dark energy in the discard pile early enough, then there's no real point in playing the multras. So that's what I feel is like the limiting factor to that archetype. That's the biggest issue, right, because me you will just do what it wants to do. Turn too like going second. It's very rarely not putting pressure on you and oftentimes it's bench pressure at the same time. Right, thank dusting something. So the fact that you're just less consistent than you anyway, even when you have these tricks, and I agree that a righthand Moltraz is like a really good instant response tons to get an up trade, but it just doesn't come off all the time. Right. You need to commit and somehow hit these dock energies early enough and spread your threats around, or thing by having double Moultras, like you said. Yeah, you can mandly attach to one and charge up the other. You'll feeling great, but there are hands where you've prone into a rapid strike energy and that's just doing nothing right. Exactly exactly. Do you think that Ershafu can ever either variant can have a favorable match up against you? Do you feel like that's the case now with the Melanie variant, like, do you ever see a world where there's a list that comes out that can go positive against from you? I'd be amazed. Honestly. I think you really have to high roll to be yes anyway. And I just think you has lay better capacity of beating every deck because it will draw more cards in the opening first two turns. So that's why we're seeing it have like fifty five plus percent win rates against everything that isn't dark and I guess one prize to to a certain extent as well, because there's the games where the opput it just breaks and it doesn't matter what you do your assentially you could be a big teeny deck at that point right right, because just turned to knocking out an evolving V that didn't get the chance or you didn't get the manual attachment or whatever the turn. You just win off of that tempo and that's what's keeping you so relevant, because it just gets the job done more than every other deck in the game right now. Talk to us a little bit about decks that can disrupt the tempo of mew. I know that path of the peak obviously you know is it's going to be a good counter card, but it's not really seen in that many decks. I do know that you're a big fan of Joltian, so would you say that there are any other decks alongside of Joel Tian that can really disrupt a mew deck? So my latest spice and Jell ty on actually so right now I'm a stadium split where I pay two path and I played to stormy mountains right so I can, okay, try and develop double jolty on so I don't just lose to be ghosted on turn to write, but also a can't I'm really enjoying playing is one vca volt in the deck now as well, so that you can set up map on Jedo sex a lot easier. You're almost is like cosplaying as an urghy frew player, but you're trying to just gust up and Vika volt poke a Jena set like two or three times. Yeah, while you're building your jolto on in the back. Then you've Gott up the next Geno sex poke with you times you play a fan as well, so you can remove one attachment from them, because obviously they can like sparkle attaching get out of there if they have to write. But they fill the hand of so many training cards that they do just get stuck sometimes. Obviously they see the Vika bolt coming, unless you're the there going first and get term one attachment, and then they have to have like the super nuts turn of like a random mellowetter cross, which and I don't know if anyone plays those combination of cards anyway. But yeah, the jolty on praying, or sorry, the Vika voult praying on the to retreat cost of genes sex, which is like mandatory for me to play, is something that I've been experimenting with the jolty on right now. So I think that's an avenue and want to try a little bit more, especially if you take like one toughness Cape, you can even like knock out a Geno sect and you know you're not going to get knocked out coming back into your turn because you're blocking out the tablets. Or there you have it. All you have to do is have vica vault toughness cave, you know, but the stormy mountains, like it's an easy right. Yeah, so that's my cutest element of guilty on I think you'll like the other like the most simple way, I guess, for Joel John is just go sometimes path sticks for a turn after a money shirt combination. But like it's not reliable, right. So I'm trying to like tech even for to make that more manageable. But that's all the text base that she'll ton has to use for other...

...things anyway. Like if you're playing all this fun vehicle stuff, you're just losing hard to single strike or losing cards of rapid strike. So I don't know if it's necessarily the best use of the text, but having to like overtech for me is definitely a symptom of the format. I think one prize decks also pretty good into me, just inherently because they don't spread damage. They only hit in one direction and that's the face, right. So you can just send them enough one prizes that eventually you get over the line. They obviously have the leak back into the deck. So have some healing element, which is annoying. So you have to have a high enough hit point. Yeah, prizer, yeah, I know this it's kind of crazy. Like the I was playing some rapid strike Malamar the other day in a tournament and you know, that's kind of the one deck that I think of that, you know, it's not hitting for weakness but it has this unlimited damage potential and I was still just really struggling against the Muse and they were able to you know, I had a tow hit at one point and then they shuffle back in and it was just impossible to build my hand up to a point that I could win the game. So even those one prizers, especially if you're not hitting for weakness, you're going to have a hard time. I feel like obstacon is the one that I look to as being kind of the mew killer. For sure. I think that's trying to have one of the best win rates, but I actually think it's a lower m rate anyway than just like straight Ganga. But I guess it has other things in its favor. I think obstacuity is really concerned about spreading up types and I think when it was first conceived they fell. It wasn't a problem because it could beat Dragon Pole. The Dragon Pole is like forming off the cliff. Light is plateaued and now it's like just jolty on and she food. Yeah, but those are way more difficult of the the obstagon deck. Yeah, I just think, yeah, the problem with Dragon poll this. It just can't I mean it can't beat the single strike DEX, but it also just it's too shouting, or it's not even too shouting you, and that's going to be a huge issue. Yeah, it's horrendous against me. You. Yeah, there's loads more dark in the game now, Rex Dragon. So talk a little bit. I know you're very opinionated. Well, maybe not very opinionated, but you've definitely stoked some flames in terms of the peony versus this Kramomatic VIP pass. You know the different builds of New v Maxwell. I refer to one is maybe the peony build and maybe one is like the turbo build. I don't know if that's accurate, but you know, tell us for those that don't know, like which do you prefer and why? So the cop out answer is that I'm sort of hybriding right now where I'm having like I guess the straight pe any is like for peony and you play like one's it good vip pass and just like maybe like one chramatic or something in a couple phones, but I'm actually at like I'm at like two, three p any and I'm at the Higher Vip Pass Count Now and I pay like to cram, so I'm kind of in that midrange point right now. My biggest reasoning but liking peony is that going going first turn to it's sometimes you don't need to Guss right, and just having writing that guarantees for crystal in sense is just like very, very good. And when you are having pop off hands, it's extra boss's orders to get that Guss to play and just take a Koh and you just have more's. It feels a safety banquet list right. Whether Pere you just gets you out of minds a lot more often, whereas the turbot is sometimes like one vpp pass isn't enough. You know, it gets like three pokemons of lay that. Sometimes you just have another car's in hand, just like sparkle and whatnot, and you're relying on a great ball hitting the right target or you're relying on the chromomatic, the first one that is in hand, to correct you into him insane spot. But I do really like meto letter. I think that's me more and more. Yeah, that I agree. That's in the format. I agree. It gives you a game against them where pee any list. If you go second, you don't have much of a game against them. You kind of just throw a latty ass active and hope they could don't have the gust turn to and then maybe you scuba prize race in your favor. If you have like a crazy power table turn, the metawetter gives you a legitimate like I've gone second, I can hire all turn one and still win this dark matchup if they're multiple prize. So that's like the thing that sells me on turbo and why I want to have that package in the deck. So, like, I'm not against by the son of much. I know like twitch is a thing where you say stuff. Yes, yes, definitely, definitely, but I see the benefits of boat. Yeah, about my folds actually yesterday on the channel. So if anyone wants more insight into that, like with slides, a bullet pointed, you can do it for that. But yeah, I kind of like a mixer of both right now. But yeah, cross switch a hight train, especially with Rosin phone. I think Rosin phone just made the college better, even though people are playing with this rosin phone package...

...just to find other things right now in the pure turbo list, certain rosin phone just like a better sorry, it makes cross which or a better card? Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I hear that for sure, because one of the things that I really like about the Turret, quote unquote, turbo build that I really hate about peony is that there are times of pne that you're pitching resources that you really want at the end of the game, and that resource is mainly power tablet, because I feel like for the mew deck, alongside MELLOWETTA, power tablet is one of those cards that can turn the tide of the game right if you play all four of them down, which I find myself doing fairly frequently, especially if I'm having a subpar start. I need those power tablets to like try to take that one hit knock out on an opponent's v Max and and try to swing the game. So I find that like very frequently when I'm when I'm down, I need those for power tablet and the peony I just you know, it kind of is incongruous because you just need all those in one turn. Yeah, I think you can argue it both ways. They're right. The peening is like if you need to have that tablet turn and you have a tablet peeing in hand, you'd guarantee doing like you've won the game sure, whereas like, if you play the table build, you got two in hand and you need three plus fit band or something to win. You've got to play them because you're digging and hoping. So like it's given take there. But I get what you're saying and sometimes they've been hands where my only supporter is penning and I can't be any because I'm like drawn into my second v Max. I have prize one of them. So there are situations where it feels really bad and you're taking a turn off, which happens less with the turble build. But I actually think the the tablets are not relevant in a ton of situations. Just going ahead in a race and maintaining pressure into like to prize to price to price Ko happens like a calm of times, especially like in mirror. So I find myself far and away tablets in I've that ton of matchups and then, like you said, it's like if you're behind and need that swing turn to get back into the game. That's when you're like where are those tablets? I've got to get them. Like this Turner I lose right. So I don't think it's like the be all and end all, but it's definitely a small benefit, I would say, to the turbo build. And then how important do you think at Lisa sparkle is to the deck? Like, are you playing an elevated count? I've always that the more I play with the deck, the more I'm like, yeah, at Lisa sparkles super good, because you know turn one even you know I'll get it and use it from you to do seventy damage. Even poking of Me v Max is really good. But maybe knocking out a sabble is, Ye, oftentimes a game change. True. So what are your thoughts on at Lisa Sparkle? I think, especially with Mellowetter, build three is probably account where I want to be sitting, or at least plate two plus gear, as well as wrote on phone because, like you said, going second pressure is something like what a the only weak points of the deck is that if you're not sparkling someone, you have no pressure going second. So actually having that accessible to you, like you said, for the one prize or the proud or sometimes the super hieral of doing it with a metowetter, attaching a fusion energy for turn as well and getting the knockout on a v then you've just like completely bone out the opponent as well. So I think it's really good right now. I think too, is like the minimum count, but I absolutely look at anyone funny for playing three copies. Yeah, I'm on that three train, but that's that's neither here nor there. So you said that you know you're working on a little spice for Juel Tian. What are some other decks that you're really liking in this format? Well, honestly, I let you the best. Yeah, I'm pretty sure everyone thinks the same, because it's a sweet DEP and you get to like seven cards by like turn three and you know that you can always hit your last few cards to win. So that's no doubt the best feeling deck in the game. I'm really just loving trying decks all over again, just with VIP pass, because I think I'm okay. Yeah, I'm yes, themated that cars. Yes, turns out the most important turn of the game is just term one in Pokemon, like a crazy like it every other turn doesn't matter if you didn't set up turn one. So, like VIP part in everything is something that I'm trying essentially, and just worrying about my hands on two and three later on in the game, because it's like it's so good how it how much it compounds, because it just takes cars out of your deck as well as like giving you presents immediately, and you don't care about those with cards, because I'm starting to add in like one copy of Zinia in it into a couple of decks, along certain one or two cram just to have that pitch fodder here and there. And it means that you can play more complicated decks. I even I'm trying it with Manama, like you said, right now, rappers right with VIPs, because you play it since you know anyway. So, like I don't see why you wouldn't. It just lets you have a go white strategy and actually get into the game, and it's also defense against you food and jolty on, where previously some decks would just falter if Joll ty are knocked out, your first soul right, right, and now you've got three in play that little bit more often. So I'm trying it in like all sorts of things, and it's almost it feels like a new deck at times, just having those additional outs. I remember when shadow ride at first...

...came out. I just love the fact that I had four quick bull for Fok. We're still to actually get my basics into play, and that's like what it feels like now. And that was one of the main reasons why shadow rider was so good in the opening stages, just because you had more outs to basics, to much right doing in the game right, and now every deck has that potential to really go white done one. Yeah, that's really interesting. I've been thinking a lot about there too. Is like just jamming it in the you know, Vmax des like, who cares, you know, just that getting those extra basics out is a real game changer, especially something like you know, we've seen it in single strike. I think that's a perfect kind of application to, you know, a top tier deck already, Yep, where if you can get that first turn battle VIP pass or setting up a couple of Hounders, you can do anything on that next turn. So really, really powerful stuff. Well, good Joe. Thank you so much for joining me today. This was a really great conversation, everything from a content creation to the current metagame. So anything that you want to say, any plugs you want to give as as we wrap up the cast here, just the usual plugs. You can go ahead and find the omnipot YouTube channel. Just only focus. We need to search team on me. Polke is the twitch. We are very sporadic, but Jack is currently doing a brilliant diamond nouzz lock right now, so that very can find some content there as well. And Yeah, thanks for having me on. Love the Pulte and happy to listen in every week and hopefully I've can. I'll miss this week. Obviously about that. Listening to you and Riley well good. Thank you so much for joining us this evening. This has been tag team. We're so thankful to everyone that listens every single week. We appreciate you guys a great deal. Thank you so much. I'm be half of myself, Riley and Joe. Thank you for listening and we'll catch you next week. Peace.

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