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Season 4, Episode 16 · 9 months ago

4-16. The Gloom and Doom Episode

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys have had enough of Mew VMAX and are here to share it with you! Come listen to JW's extended thoughts on the state of the game and how it might be improved upon.

This episode of Tag Team is brought to you by Manscaped!

Yo, what is up? Guys? Welcome back to tag team Pokemon Trading Card Games Premiere podcasting duo. My name is Riley Hulbert, joined by my loyal, fantastic, phenomenal friend Mr JW Cree Wall. JW Haws a hanging today. Let's going? Okay, Riley, just getting set up for the holidays. You know how it goes. Oh, I do, I do. There's something big down there. What's that? You got something big going on? Well, we're gonna have a little holiday party coming. I am not sure. I'm trying to figure out all my holiday travel right now. To keep saying that, I know well, I hate to plan things to preemptively like I had. I ended up having a stay like at my project for like an extra five days. Oh No, you know, so if I'd plan anything for those couple of days, then would have not been good. Here you go. Well, you know, just just let us know. You have the next like fifteen days to make a decision. It's true. So no rush, rush, that's right. So now we're things over there in Wisconsin. They're good. I mean, I just got back to my apartment yesterday. I finished up my my shifts on Tuesday and flew back on Wednesday and it was it was a grind for sure. I worked twelve to fifteen hours every single day for the entirety of those two weeks, with the exception of Saturday and Sunday. Is Past Saturday and Sunday. So definitely still a little exhausted. Got Some things I got to take care of around here as well, and some things I gotta technically I'm on Pteo, in practice there are some things that I have to do before the end of the year that I've been like taking care of between games of like tft and sleeping mostly. That rocks. And Damn my laundry, because I had gone through every pair of underwear. Okay, you know how many pairs is that? It's like two or three weeks worth. Dang, I got some. I just got some Polo Ralph Lauren box or briefs. There you go, and they're great. Yeah, yeah, they're awesome. That is nice. Yeah, honestly, I this is like Hashtag ad but my favorite, my favorite briefs that I have right now are my man's gaped once Yeo, let's go. I think they're really comfy. They are pretty comfortable there. So, but speaking of which, wanted to go through kind of ore lay the land for today. So big topic on everyone's mind is the stay of the state in the POKEMON trading card game. We got new vmax sitting atop the stands. Will be sure to talk about that. There's been a lot of comparisons lately with new vmax versus some other dominant archetypes in the game's past. I'll be curious to hear, JW, some my your thoughts on how those all come together. And this is going to be a little bit of refresher for me. In all honesty, you know, I've been heads down work in those twelve fifteen hour days. Didn't have a lot of time to see what's going on in the world of the POOKEMON trading card game. So I'm curious to see how things have developed over the last you know, half a month. Outside of that, got some potential updates regarding tcg live and then smack in the middle of all of that will have our card to the day and ad read. Absolutely let's get right into it. Let's get right into it then. So, JW, we were talking and it sounds like you're a little bit down right now. My Guy I I'm down bad with pokemon right...

...now. I really am. I feel like this is maybe one of the first times. You know, we've been doing this cast for like three years now and I've been playing for like twelve years. I've always been able, in every format and every situation, to find like the good and to look on the bright side and to kind of push past and push aside, like the real negatives to enjoy, like fully enjoy the game pretty much every step of the way, and that has changed actually with this but this set, yeah, with this format, with the MEW v Max deck being as dominant as I perceive it to be, it has just made playing the game more of a Chore Than It has ever been in the past, and that it like kind of hurts me to say it out loud, but maybe this is some kind of therapy. Yeah, you know, it's good to say get it off my chest, you know, and you know people go through these, you know, ups and downs. Like I think every time I'm like Oh, yeah, you know, I'm you know, I'm feeling kind of negative about it, like I know Andrew like rants about this. I know is will have has talked about this. Like I know, like you know basically every content creator right goes through kind of ups and downs with their enjoyment of the game, but for some reason I'd always been like an up guy, like for everything. You know, I'd really had very minor criticisms until now. Like I just think the game right now is in a really precarious spot. I feel like the MU v Maxtick is the best deck that I've ever played and the most oppressive deck that I've ever played. It's unbelievable. I've just been rolling Games on line. It's amazing how quickly games will end, like the first one or two turns you just know you're going to win. It's it's insane. So I have, I have, you know, as much as I've liked winning the game, it really hasn't brought me that much satisfaction because I know that the formats kind of screwed. Like if we had in person tournaments, if everyone wasn't playing on these online tournaments and like just rolling whatever the heck they wanted, like if they were actually playing to win, if there's something on the line, I don't think anyone would choose anything other than me. It's so consistent, it's so good, it's so frustrating and there's really not a good counter. So for those reasons I'm sour. I'm really sour. I mean, this sound like some valid reasons. I'm curious to dig more into that, you know. So I think there's a couple elements that that seem to be at play that seemed to at least be making you a little bit sour towards me, Vmax, and you know, other people may have varying opinions, but I think piece are themes that were largely seeing across the community right now. The first is just the general power level of the deck. So you know, there's been some on and off debate about how the deck is played. You know what cars fit in, you know JW. What are the what are like really the pieces that make the mew deck come together in a way that you feel is oppressive? Yeah, so the way that I've been playing the deck recently is kind of, I don't want to say open my eyes, because it's just like a one card change, but like I've been trying to go more aggressively for the turn one attack and most specifically trying to go for, you know, the potential turn one MELLOWETTA attack and I've found that that is just so insane in most situations because you're able to, you know, hit anything for a knockout...

...on turn one as long as you get an a Lisa sparkle. You have the energy attachment from hand. And then if you're playing against a V deck that has, you know, two hundred and twenty health, if you can get one of your power tablets, that's not that's not a lot to ask. Honestly, that's not a lot to ask for the deck. And I've just found myself like running through even decks that are supposed to counter themw decks, because I'm able to get that turn one attack off so easily with the MELLOWETTA. Now there are times and there are there are decks like, you know, pretty much any other deck that's not playing, I don't know that doesn't start a v like as probably playing either hound our or, you know, sobbles. Right, so you can still get that turn one attack and knock out on like a sobble, which is also very good, like just getting that turn one pressure. And so the people say yeah, you know, yeah, right. So you don't necessarily have to do it with with the Meloetta, but the fact that you can take these knockouts on turn, you know, on your turn two of the game, but turn one is is incredible, right. And then it's not like that's necessarily what the deck like wants to do, because you love to go first as well, to just you know, take the first turn of the game so you can just get set up, get an extra energy attachment, like it doesn't matter if you go first or second, you can still, you know, make great plays either way. And then just the fact that, yeah, this mellow Ata thing is is where I'm kind of leaning into. So playing to mellow at, I think that's that's not something that we kind of collectively, as the POKEMON TCG community hive, mind really gravitated around when the deck was, you know, starting to be built. Right now, it was was kind of like an afterthought. You know, mew was was the main, you know, main player, and then additionally, like a Lisa sparkle was kind of you know, and afterthought as well. Right, like you played to just so that you do have that option. But I feel like I'm truly feel like the the deck is at its best not necessarily when it's gusting, because actually gusting, like playing four boss's orders. That's that's a little too you know, reactionary, right, like just be as aggressive as possible, play the four releases and and attack on your you know, the turn that you can attack and it just everything just, you know, you make. Most decks just crumble from that pressure. It's it's really the most like aggressive deck in the format and it draws the most cards and it has you can you can play a counter to anything. For the most part. You don't necessarily even need to. That's the scariest thing, but you can. It's it's rough out there, man. I'm like really, you know, I'm saying it all and I'm just like I'm really frustrated in the Games. You know, the Games don't even take that long, right, like I post on twitter today I was like I won four games in five minutes and that's legit. Like I played for full games in five minutes of real time, because I got, you know, two or three donks, I got like one concession and then the other ones I just, you know, I set up and then I just blew through their entire board, like it's crazy, man, it really is crazy. It definitely is a little bit crazy out here. I I think you hit on some good points, though. Within that, you know, the the evolution of Mellow Atta being a like almost a non starter, and then you deck to staple the the larger focus on just turboing out the deck and playing Alisa's sparkle. You know, it feels...

...like an age ago, but we used to talk about like peon accounts and now our talking about just like only playing Alisa sparkle and boss's orders ponies too slow, which is absurd, rights heard. Yeah, it is. The deck is just it's so consistent, draw so many cards, and I think that's what really just add so much to this as you have so many good attacks that have different utility options, all usable by the same Pokemon, but they also have this insane draw engine, like the likes of which I can't even think of the game ever seeing before. You know, it's not even really comparable to or arc. It's completely different. Beast. Yes, just being able to draw so many cards every single turn, on the first turn, when other decks can't play supporters. Yes, right, exactly, exactly. That's the biggest thing is that from from the moment you flip over your basic you know you could draw. You know twenty cards without playing a draw supporter right, like without like what you know, you and you, yeah, you know am already. You could play research or whatever in the deck, but like you don't even need to because you're basically getting the effects of supporters for free. And the power budget they're just seems kind of crazy to me because when we think about like these good draw support e Pokemon, they're usually on on a stage one. You know, you have like your actillery's of the past, you have your Zoro Arcs, you have your cinchinos. All these POKEMON are stage ones that are designed to kind of like draw your deck out, even like the modern actillery, you know, the one that can search ravish right cards to stage one. So it's almost odd to me. It seems like the philosophy of the basics has been like, oh, you can do it once per turn. You know, you ever Todenn a once per turn, you have your Crowbat once per turn, and then Jenness Act is just like Oh, yeah, if you want to draw twenty four cards, that's cool. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, it's crazy, man, and I think to like there are just so many like little problems that all add up right, like genes. Sex draw ability is like, I would say, like a somewhat of a little problem, because you know there are going to be like there comes a point where your hand just gets kind of clogged, right. Yeah, and so likely you play quick ball right like that, and you okay, so that's one way you can kind of thin your hand a little bit, right, so that you're not just playing with your energies and your Mew v Max's on the first turn. But then, like you also have as a way to discard cards, and I think this is again the optimal way to play it. With chramamatic, and that's like another little problem. So that's like two cards now that you can thin the hand down with. You know, obviously chrammatic only works on item cards, but right, but the same kind of idea, right, is like you're thinning, you know, with any cards you you otherwise wouldn't need from your hand. And then and then chremomatics like another little problem, because you can search out any card. You know, it's not like it's not like you flip a coin and you get an item card. You know, it's not like a one for one trade. It like can be anything in your deck. So you know, I'm often like chrematicking for that energy. You know that the third fusion strike energy. So I can do two hundred and ten or two hundred and forty on the first turn with my Melowetta, like it's just it blows my mind, Dude. It's like all these little things. Yeah, and then, and then mew has free retreat. You know. It's like that's a little thing too. It's it's just crazy, man like. It's all these little things that don't necessarily on their own, like feel bad, you know, but then you addim all together and it's like, what the heck have we done? Right, what have we actually...

...done? We are we're so screwed. We're so screwed. You know what I I don't know if you ever had this experience, but the first time I saw Imu v Maax and play, I was like that's a to retreat card right there. That cards got to retreat. That just had euro, which is better than what I thought, to say the least. Yeah, to say the least. Right, yeah, I mean, you got, you got so much utility. We had talked about the the psychic leap being good. We have MELOWATTA. Now we have bodias. If you choose to play it, you have obviously the genes sect, draw and attack on the same card. It's just only molly. Like what doesn't this deck have going for it? Yeah, it's just crazy to like you think about the mellow at a right and like that has been just the biggest, you know, game changer like over the I'd say I put more time into mew vmax over the last week than I had, you know, since it's release and just like messing with the different counts and really just getting a feel for it in the in the general metagame. And like the mellow at is so insane because, especially if you can keep all your energy on board, like if you can kind of protect your your fusion strike energy and get for onto the board, then you're just swinging for two hundred and eighty turn after turn with no drawback, like it's just it's just two hundred and eighty right, and then you get to add your power tablets on top of that to do three ten or one hundred forty, whatever you need to take the vmax knockouts, and it's just like your opponent like at that point it's so crazy, like your opponent has to hope. Their best strategy against that is that you prized in energy, is that you prize to fusion energy, and that's just absurd. It's it's ludicrous, like in certain matchups, like that's their best hope is that you can't get all four of your energy into play, you know, in the first like two or three turns of the game. Like, what the heck? That's so stupid. It is pretty insane. twundred and eighty. No drawback to eighty. Nod, like not even like you know, Discard Card or you know, discard and energy or you know, you can't attack on your next turn, right, like at least force me to like find a switch like the genoesect attack. No, it's wild, man. Yeah, I think the drawback was meant to be that you had to find all those energy, but then he had at least a sparkle. So you know what's The n game there, right right, said to play one of those an attached on your next turn. You're up to for right, exactly. Yeah, it's it's a problem, man. It's and really that I think it's it's honestly the melow. What I think is like the problem for me, like you take away melow whata. You know, then the deck just can't beat. Well, it's and it still can. Like that's the crazy thing, because you got a shred attack. But I'm like, then the deck can't really beat like that. You know. Then the deck, you know, has a hard time against I don't know, some other things right, because you're just forcing up the the V Max. But, like, you know, the all what a lot of a lot of where where are? My thoughts have been over the last week of just been on that card and how oppressive that card can be. Because doing two hundred and eighty for no drawback on potentially your second turn, right, because you go turn one, let's say you're going first. You just get that one attachment down of the fusion strike energy and then on your next turn you get the you get the atlas of Sparkle and then attach your last one. Like yeah, two eighty, three, ten, three, forty turned to no drawback on a one prize pokemon potentially right, like you're usually not promoting that to attack, but like on a one prize Pokemon if you're trying to, you know, get get kind of sneaky with it. Got A force different prize trades...

...and stuff. Pretty good, pretty good, but something we've something I can't remember, like maybe there was one, but can you remember a card doing that much damage for relatively little investment? I mean, I'm sure they exist. I think the maybe the ease of use or like lack of situational necessity, I guess, is maybe the unique part with mellow at A. Yeah, you know, of course it's hard to like directly compare as well, because the HP now is so much higher than it used to be, right, of course, yeah, it's too are eighty now versus three years ago. Is, yeah, and it's like maybe, you know, you know another like kind of very simple Combo that was extremely oppressive. That just leaps to the forefront of my mind. was like Seismatoad, right, it is seismaitoade get an energy and you know you're only hitting for thirty right, like you're not. You're giving your opponent plenty of time, but it was still like very frustrating to deal with on the other side. Yeah, but at least the game like could potentially last, you know, five or six turns, right, like if you leaven an x in the active and then size and tones only hitting you for you know, somewhere between thirty and fifty and you're going to have a few turns to try to draw out of it. The problem with Miloletta is that you don't get those turns. Like that dude is taken. One shots, turn, one put, you know, potentially, like if you go a second turn, one on and and like if, you know, if if you can't do you know, ninety damage to it right, then you're done, like it just it plows through you right, because then you can drawn to your bosses and like bring up whatever you're trying to set up on the back like yeah, it's so Frustra it's the craziest thing. You know, the more I play it, the more I'm just in awe of of how insane the deck is and it's really frustrating. Yeah, so let's take into some of those other elements there. Then we you know, talking about kind of the structure of the deck and how powerful and consistent it is. Let's talk about it in the context or kind of like what the other decks in the format are like. You know, certainly there are other decks that people play and people have been trying new things to make their matchups better. The more Pico in. Single strike has been something that people have been trying. You know, people try these gang guard decks, all sorts of things. Do you think any of this like really works? You mentioned before that your answer seems to be no. Well, so, like like on an individual level, like maybe like the answers like maybe right, because you're like, Oh, okay, I'm going to go into this tournament. Like there are people out there that have succeeded with the dark decks right, like and that's kind of like anecdotal evidence right where they're like, well, I played, you know, gang are and and I, you know, made toppy, right, or I played single strike and I beat you know, if you Mu des but like what they're not factoring in is just all the other Mu Dex that have that have beaten the dark decks, you know, and it's like that's one piece right. So it's anecdotal in the sense that if we kind of took the aggregate of everyone that is ever played mew vers, everyone that has ever played, you know, a deck that's supposed to common arm you, then you're going to see a pretty even split. You know, because from my testing, like over the last week, I have gone like positive against these decks that are supposed to, yeah, suppost to just railm you right. So, like my anecdotal evidence...

...is that, you know me, you actually has a favorable matchup into single strike like that. That's my anecdotal evidence, right. So I just think, like looking at the numbers from tournaments and you know, like Trainer Hill, the the like stats website, seeing that me, you can can even hang with those decks that are just like built straight up to beat it. It's scary. It's really scary. And the other thing too, is like well, you're like, well, why doesn't everyone play mew for tournaments? That's a great question. I don't know. People will throw whatever they want. Like I think if we were playing in regionals, like if there were regionals tomorrow and people have to choose decks, I think we would just see an insane and insane amount of me for these tournaments. Like it just it's that good, right, because again, you're you're doing so much so soon and it's just so hard for these other decks to keep up with. So it's brutal. I want to dig more into into this and contextualize it maybe against some of our other like top threats of previous Meta Games. You know, ATP comparison has been one people have been drawing recently. Before we get into that, though, I think it's about time that we took a quick break and did our car the day in our ad read. Let's hear it. Okay, so I'm not going to quiz you on the Polka x entry this time because this is a relatively new pokemon and the deck entry, I think we'll just give it away. But this card stuck out to me because it's something that I actually did see while I was out on my travels and it was relatively new card and it kind of spurred an interesting ruling situation. And that card is more Pico v Union, and interesting ruling situation is that you cannot know mix the arts of Your v Unions, even though they all have like identical attacks in the same places, and I think it's just because it's like visually confusing, like what's going on? Yeah, just so funny to me. I don't know why, but like I want to make like double murky or Pico butts like have to or Pico back halves connect to each other, and he can't do that. That was just insanely funny than me. I get why they did that, but it's like there's no other card in like the pokemon games history that's ever enforced something and quite like that. It's never been necessary, right, even with like legends, it's not been a necessary evil that they've had to like deal with. So that I just love that. That was so cool. That's yeah, that's so insane. That's really funny. So I had to give more Picov. You need a shout out there, for sure. Yeah, gotta do it, for sure. And then, of course, like you all know if you've been listeners, this week's episode of Tag team is sponsored by manscaped. So holidays right around the corner and that means not only a Santa Claus coming around, but so is our good friend Deli Bird. Delli bird has a nice flesh sack that it uses to carry around its presence and that thing is clean as it gets. And so if you this holiday season don't want to be looking like a mess, you want your sack to be as clean as a Deli birds, then have we got the products for you with manscaped. Jevy, you want to tell us a little bit about manscaped? Yeah, man manscapes. They got what you need in terms of male grooming. We've been a gifted just a ton of products from them that you I mean you were just talking about how much you really like their boxers, but like even you know, their their ear and nose hair trimmer there, you know, family jewel trimmer,...

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...you know, the the Hoopa, Galerian Moultris, you know, just straight like dark garbage that like folds to anything that's not you. This, this is I really don't want to I don't want to overstate it, I don't want to understate it, but this is this movie Max deck is is the best deck that I've ever played and the most oppressive, toxic, I don't know whatever adjective you want to use to describe it. It is it is that, for me, worse than ATP. You know, against ATP, like, and I'm going to come back to like the the turn clock. So against ATP you're guaranteed to have at least one turn and potentially more. Like a really good counter to ATP, or at least a solid counter to ATP, was like crushing hammer right like if you could get a crushing hammer off, you know, either the the their first turn right where they just attached the one energy, or like on subsequent turns, you can make a really hard for them to, you know, accelerate energy from the deck, like attack after they gx or whatever like. There were there were some things you could do and that could allow for rogue decks to emerge just because they could play for crushing hammer and have some semblance of a chance, or at least a pathway to winning the game. And you got a couple of turns to find those right. You could have found it right on their first turn or their second turn. And then, you know, obviously the nature of ATP is like as soon as it gets the ball rolling it, it is unstoppable, right, and that was basically as soon as they got the GX attack off, as soon as they could accelerate energy out of their board and set up, you know, as ash in or whatever other attack they had, like, then then it was over, right, and then there was checkmates set up and stuff like that. But there isn't that same turn like the turn clock from you is just accelerated. And again I think we should start seeing a shift more and more towards just aggressiveness, for Lisa Sparkle to melow at a and just going very hard for the turn one, two hundred and ten or two hundred and seventy whatever, with the with the power tablets. I think we should start seeing that from everyone. I don't think peony is is a thing of the past. Like we're not even debating like what how many peony like we're debating, you know, whether or not to like include boss's orders. Honestly, like just hitting for so much in the active but yeah, in terms of other decks that I've played in the past, terms of like appression level. So like ATP we talked about that turn clock, something like a seism tooad deck. I've already kind of talked about that right where you know, okay, they might they might take away your items, but they're only doing thirty damage a turn or maybe fifty damage that they have a muscle band. So you're going to have, you know, potentially a couple of turns to try to get something going. And there were decent counters back then to seism toad. You know, I think about like zerosic being pretty problematic for that deck oft times just again the the kind of relative size of the Pokemon. Seismtoad wasn't taking one shots on your dudes. So if you could just mount, you know, a few pokemon up there, like a maybe a I don't know. You know, lander is sort of like Amu to get a mutewo with the double colorless. That was a pretty good counter to aside with Tode, because you're going to one shot them or you're going to knock them out before they knock you out. Yeah, so you know, there were there were plays, you know, that the top tier deck could make just across the board. GUARANTINA X was kind of...

...tough. But again, zero sick, it took two attachments. So you think about like the time clock, right, it's like two attachments. And then they weren't one shot in your guys for the most part. So you had a couple of turns to try to figure something out. No Way to accelerate that, no way to attach twice to the same you know, Guarantina. So it took them two turns unless you enhand stammered or zero sick or something like that. You know, des Like ZORARC. You know we've kind of talked about that, right like needing to evolve, not as much access to the deck because you needed to get out of your basics out and then evolve all those basics. So still very good. You know, the those or control deck and expanded like super good, like don't get me wrong for those, for those formats, but again, like the turn clock, you had a little more time to figure out what you could do. And with them you deck. You know, meal can go first or second. It almost doesn't matter. Like if they go first, then they can, they can hunt your guys down on the bench, and then if they go second, they'll just knock out your active. So you if you go first against a mew deck, you have the kind of hope that you're getting two of your V's down so that you can have a chance to evolve the one on the next turn. So it's I hope I'm making my like case, like I'm hoping that this is making sense. It is, but it's crazy how how good this deck is. I'm really just so impressed with it and it and it doesn't allow for much, for much creativity and in my opinion, in my opinion, and that could all come out like Duralidon, you know, is kind of their right. You know, people are saying in the chat like grant manly was playing a stone journer deck and like okay, there might be some of that stuff out there, and there's, you know, like Ross's, you know dark glaring Multraus Hoopa deck. You know, there are things that theoretically can beat mew. Your gang are, you know, maybe single strike, but still like on the whole, like those are decks that are like designed specifically to beat me and they kind of a lot of those really strong archetypes like kind of just fold to a lot of other things that anyone might play. Yeah, and yeah, and so it's pretty frustrating. One of the other decks that people can play is is Joelti on now. That seems to be kind of the second best deck right now and that really is the one deck. We've talked about this on the cast over the last couple weeks. That's a one deck that can really utilize path of the peak and that is somewhat problematic to the mew deck. But me, I think should that. Well, I think you should play for stadiums anyway. Right. So, like right, yeah, that seems to be something people agree on, you know. So so it's kind of like a coin flip. They're also right. If you know, you just have to have the right stadium in hand at the right time, right and if you do that you're completely fine. It's like nothing ever happened. So just just crazy stuff from the deck. Yeah, I'm I'm yeah, I'm pretty frustrated for those reasons. So, and I think that all makes sense. Something that's frustrating to me as well. It's just someone who enjoys not only the POKEMON trading card game but like car games and the deck building process in general. Is Mew is like so pretty built and like streamlined from fusion strike cards like the archetype. You mean you could literally just like cut boss and play only fusion stripe cards and probably have like a pretty passable deck. You know, there's no like expression in the deck building anything like that either. Like this package was like intentionally designed, yeah, shipped out and it's the best deck by a mile. Yeah, I don't want to sound too like to kind of...

...end of the world doom and gloom, because things can change and like new new wrinkles can can come out and you know, this is just my my kind of experience with the deck primarily on the ladder and then what I've seen from just tournament results and stuff, but just from from playing the deck. You know, I played for like in this is where my experience comes in. I've been playing for so long. When you come across the deck like this, that, and I've done this a few times in in the past. I did this actually with my the first time I won regionals. I like played with a deck and it was like so straightforward and so good and so consistent. I was like this is boring, why would I want to play this? You know, but it was just it proved itself to be the best deck, yeah, in that format, and so okay, you know, and in a lot of ways, in a lot of ways a growl was like that too, right, or is just like, oh well, it's kind of just kind of just wins, you know. But yeah, the problem, the problem with the me deck is just the turn count. You know, you get maybe that first turn and if you're going first, you don't get to play a supporter. So you have the hope that you have two of the these that you want to evolve a new of vmax. You know, it just it's so hard for decks to compete because it can pump out that two hundred and ten so easily on that first turn. So pretty crazy. That definitely tracks is being crazy. So if there was one snap, chill change, you can make one quick band that you think or a card that you just remove from the from the pathos to to make me a little more in line with the parallel other decks, what would that be? WOULD IT BE MELLOWLETTA? Yeah, it'd be Melowatta for Meta. Yeah, Mellowata is just is so strong. I don't I don't know if that's really, you know, feasible right, because pokemon wants to. You know, if there was, if there is competitive play and people were buying the cards for competitive like I don't know that they would ban their you know, newest archetype. But you know, if I was in charge, if I was at the POKEMON company and trying to make the game more competitive, I would have to ban something. It could also be the power tablets like that also would be fine, because then at the very least, if you're playing a V that has two hundred and twenty health, then it's not getting one shot by the melouetta on that first turn. So like that's another possibility to kind of keep the keep, keep the attackers, kind of some semblance of that, but then you're losing a lot of you know, versatility. Like then the mew deck. If you banned power tablet, I think the mew deck would go from you know st here to unplayable almost, because you kind of need that reach make mellow to do sixty times. How about that? Sixty Times? Yeah, that that could be good. That could be good. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know what the right answer is, right because there's like it's also one of the more you like, it's one of the more unique archetypes that that we've ever seen. This very likening to like the closest that I can think about would be the Ray deck, the Ray Quasa Mega Ray Quasa deck, where you're just drawing with Shayman and just kind of going hard like that. Yeah, but there's still a lot of differences there, because there was a really good counter back in the day, Suito Woodo, that could limit the opponent's bench and so yeah, I don't. I don't. And then the Shaman's were like once, you know, they kind of came down and then they were kind of down right like you can just do them again next turn, like you can just pick them up and play him again, for you have six more cards on the...

...next turn, right. So yeah, it's it's crazy. I'm just like the more I talked about it, like the more depressed I'm getting. Well, let's not depress you any further. I guess there's maybe one maybe depressing thing, tst live, and then we just thought depressing. Yeah, so you know we have the star. We the power markers now in DCG lot or in tcge oh, programmed in signaling the incoming the star. POKMON and Shew were briefly chatting about this implication. Can't say for sure one way or another, but there's definitely a chance that tclive may not be coming out as early as we'd like it to. You have any thoughts that you'd like to add to that kind of like discussion? Yeah, there's no guarantee, right, that we won't get the PCG live by the brilliant star release. There's no guarantee that we won't, but the fact that we do have it programmed into the system like and with how the whole process has gone for the release of PCCG live and kind of my mental state, with the with the with how the game feels right now. I just can't help but I can't help but think that we're we're not going to get PTCG live until much, much later. So I'm still hopeful. Personally, I'm gonna to carry the torch of hope for the two of us. I think it's they got to have a programmed as a fail safe in a TCG. Oh, we got the promos coming out in January, t clive, I'm waiting for yes, you know, and that's fair, right, because you have these promos that are coming out, like you said, in January. You know, there's a presumably going to be some period where the Beta comes out and people can, you know, start to migrate. Right. There's going to be this migration period. So you have to be kind of aware of that, right, as a dual game system, you know, for that for that migration period. So sure, could be right, could be. I'm just saying, with the way it's gone, with the way this is, not hold your brand on. I'm not. I'm really not, like I don't want you know, we've been, I think content creators on the whole have been like you know, pokemon. Take your time, like don't release a bad game, right, like don't don't release ptcg live before it's ready, right, and we've all been, you know, really like on board with that and then you know and then they're like okay, they delighted and everyone's like okay, don't you know, don't release a bad game, like, take your time, take your time. It's not like I don't have faith in them, but it's just it feels too good to be true to like ever come out. Yeah, I don't know, man, maybe it's just my maybe just my mental talking right now. But well, if you're listening to this and you're worried about JW is mental, you can reach out to him on social media and give them a feel batter jaw, and you can do that most easily on twitter. So you can find JW at Real John Walter on twitter, and if you want to find myself for the PODCAST, that's smiles with priles and tag team pokemon. We record the podcast live every single week at TWITCHTTV MONTER or twitch dot TV flex daddy righteous. That's mine JW channels respectively, and youw releases awesome content on Youtube every single week at Youtube Flex...

Daddy. Righteous appreciate it. Yeah, I promise I'll be happier next week. I'm sure by then I'll I've found, I don't know, some deck or somebody who I've come up with some deck, but the meme decks are just around the corner. You know. I'm hoping, man, I'm hoping. Dude. Maybe we can just collectively create like a like a MW Free Day, you know, like like Tuesdays. You do you know you signed a waiver. You don't Plame you on the last no amused days. Yeah, yeah, that'd be great. Okay, all right, I'll get that petition rolling. Well, watch out for our petition on petition dot Org. Well, you appreciate every single one of you so much. Make sure to rate and review on your podcasting platforms, if you're listening from one of those, and we will catch you all next time. Ba.

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