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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 4, Episode 19 · 8 months ago

4-19. Mew and Me, Me and Mew

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys have had ENOUGH of this Mew thing. What is the deal?! No more I say! Come listen in for some Pokedrama, thoughts on Mew, and the top decks of the format.

This episode is sponsored by Manscaped and Full Grip Games! Be sure to check out Full Grip! Use code TAGTEAM at checkout with Manscaped for 20% off and free shipping!

Yo, what is up, guys? Welcome back to tag team, the POKEMON Trading Card Games Premiere podcasting duo. My name is Riley Hobert, joined as always by my good, good friend Mr JW Curry. Wall GW has hanging to day? Hey, it's hanging pretty well, Riley. How are you doing? I am doing all right. It's my it's my first week back in the office and what feels like a really long time, because I was also traveling for work for multiple weeks. Yes so like sitting down in my office space on Monday and just like working there all day was a really bizarre feeling. I yeah, I'm with you, man. I mean I'm in my Home Office, so I kind of was like sitting here some of the break, you know what I mean? Yeah, so it wasn't like a like a culture shock, you know, going back in to the office, but I gotta say I looked at some of the documentation that I was writing the day before I left. I was like, Oh, I do not remember, yeah, this, yeah, that's a on Monday I was like to even know what I'm doing anymore. And it's also really awkward. We got put on a project just kind of like a week before break. But then various people were out of town and it just things lined up where we were kind of on this project, but but nobody really knew what to do because there were different managers off for all that, a client was gone, you know, just different things or it was like the communications were just getting getting mixed up. Obviously we had many other projects of work on, but it's just like one of those specific projects. I was like, Oh, okay, so I kind of know what I'm supposed to do, but I have no one to talk to you about it. Yeah, it's a it's tough, man, the around this time of year, like the couple of weeks on both sides are just well, I think I know for the future, and this is for for really anyone that works on office job, I don't think if I'm in town that is I don't think I'll ever take the week between Christmas and New Year's off really, because I could just see myself not doing anything and despite like there's just not work to be done for the most part. Sure, I mean there's there's self study. So I did a lot of self study. I'm trying to work towards a certification. Yeah, and so I was doing a lot of that. There was a little bit of kind of clean up here and there, but it was just extremely slow. So I think in the future I'm going to save my vacation days for for a different time, because I think, especially if you work remotely, that's that's a decent move for an office job or like, yeah, remote office job. I my first I I took off obviously like the week of new years this past year, but in previous years I haven't, and it was just like super like heads down, just do whatever I want, catch up on stuff kind of time. Yeah, very chilly. My boss was like, yeah, every year I would. I would get in at zero, clean, clean my desk and then leave at three. When I when I worked of black Friday the year before last, it was like that too. It is like nobody was there, I could just do whatever I want. No, no, the difference. That's funny. It is so fro tip for office workers. I guess there you go, there go, but but you didn't hear from from us. You know, don't don't slack at your job, because JW and Riley told you to right. Always work very hard at your job. So true. Well, we got a jam packed agenda here today. So we're going to go through some recent interesting developments regarding a famous influencer and their pokemon cards. Talk about the format in lieu of me. There was a tournament, hell, just the other day with new vmax band. Will talk through how that turned out, do our classic card to the day section and then we'll round out with kind of a classic tag team top five Meta Review. Sounds great, Riley, I think we have a jam pack day. We sure do. Starting from the top here, Jew you found an interesting article and send it over to me. Very funny, if unfortunate, Logan Paul some of his pokemon cards, maybe all of them, at least his first add ones, are not real yet. Well, yes, and there's a little bit of a caveat, because the the headline is very eye catching right where it's like sure, he spent millions on cards that are fake, which is possibly true, possibly true,...

...but probably what actually happened is, instead of being first addition, they were just a limited yeah. Right, so so they're fake. First edition were, like, I see it, early. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So what do you sent that over to me? What's it's friend of mine to me. Sorry for interrupting you. Is, I swear I saw this before, is like the Guy who helped Logan Paul with like its big opening video and all that. Like who is the he's the guys like inspecting the cards and stuff. Yeah, was like a con artist or something, like he had done this before. Dad's incredible. So, like it almost doesn't surprise to me that this happened. So for those that don't know, let me just go over it again really quickly. Logan Paul spent over three million dollars on sets of POKEMON cards. Presumably he bought one of, if not the only remaining seal the first edition Pokemon case, so a set of six boxes. You know, it's not not verified to be the only one, but certainly in extremely rare piece. And then also bought some you know, just just regular firstition boxes, but totally over three and a half million. There's some speculation, well actually probably pretty confirmed speculation, that they are not what he thinks they are. And it's just funny because, yeah, Riley, you're saying like the guy he bought them from the broad I don't know if it this particular broker is the same one, but the original guy he had from his video back in Gosh, two thousand and nineteen, is that when it was at this point? Don't where he had the where he had the like first edition shadowists charzard thing, the want. Yeah, and he did the break. Right, he did break and he had like the four other guys with him and they were sitting at this table. That was like I can very vividly picture the video, and one of those guys who was like the you know, he's the guy's like Oh, yeah, this this card's legit kind of thing. Yeah, he was like, apparently he had like done that or he had sold like resealed and limited stuff. That's not good now. So the CUAC crab, do you want to hang around with Shaqrackor not? Great for Big Logan, Paul. The interesting thing about this, I was reading a little bit more watching a few videos, was that he got it authenticated but didn't actually see the product and he got it authenticated through a company that doesn't specifically deal with POKEMON cards. They're more of a sports card grating authenticator, so they know cards generally but maybe not pokemon cards. And then I watched a longer video detailing just why people think that his case was fake and they think that the bar code doesn't quite line up. I think there's some issues there and with the there's some weird like numbering issue. There's a big number across the side, big black number on the case that people are linking to a set of just regular unlimited cards, not first edition unlimited cards. So there's a lot of different things. It's really actually some interesting youtube videos out there, if you go out and search for him, just detailing what could possibly be wrong and the interesting, like the worst part about this whole thing, right for Logan is that you're really only because you're probably not going to open the case right, you're not going to break right, come with one, come with the seal. They come with the seal. You don't want to break it. So you'll never see what's inside, presumably, and so you're kind of going by faith and you're going by one sticker on the outside of the box that says first edition, you know, base set, first edition cards. So it's just such an interesting, intriguing story. Three and a half million. I can't imagine spending that much and then not getting the products I hated or, yeah, get not getting the product that I paid for, not getting an authenticated by a real POKEMON card grading authority. It it boggles my mind. Did you see? He is also getting flat on completely unrelated he's getting flat on twitter the other day because he made that like game boy table, you know, or he took a bunch of old game boys and put him in Reson first of the table. Looks horrible. But but people were very upset because they're like rare game boys and they're uh, yeah, I don't get that. I don't really get getting upset over it, to be honest, like, I mean, if he was just going to put on his play anyway, it's his game boy. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah, I don't get that. For sure. It's like he can, but it is an ugly table. I will say that. Okay, well, that can be debated, but honestly, it w loves it. Well, no, no, I don't love it, but I can respect it. As someone that has I can. I also can respect that he did himself like he exactly over the last couple weeks, like I'm getting a new found respect for people that do you...

...know, various home improvement projects. He's pace making a resume boy. They were as in Gameboy table. Yeah, I can respect that and there's something, there's a pride that comes with that. Right, yeah, I made this with my own hands. I mean he kind of made that right. He didn't make the game boys, but he made the table. Be Really Cool. If he made the game boys, I would be pretty sweet. I well, here you go, log them, Paul, disrespector game boys, and maybe not wise spender. So true. Let's go into our next segment then, because I feel like logo palls a whole rabbit hole, that that's a whole another episode, I think. Yeah, there's a logopol episode in there somewhere. And let's talk about the the TURT WIG den's you've banned tournament. This is really interesting. It was actually pretty popular event to looking at like what was a hundred and seventy people who played in it? Yeah, just about. So Church wiked den two thousand and twenty two tournament with a mew vmax band. As we as we know and as we've kind of promoted on this podcast and on our own personal twitters, and many people are saying this, mew is one of the best decks not only of this format but possibly, I would I would say, one of the best x of all time and so definitely just dominants, that's for sure. Yeah, right, no doubt. So it's just very interesting how dominating Mew v Max has been in the current standard format and then of course people are kind of sick of it. So we see these branch off tournaments. So turch twigs den hosted a tournament with New v Max band and I had some slightly interesting results. Yeah, so there was definitely an interesting kind of like domino effect as well, or is like me being band had them immediate consequence lance probably the most expected consequence of like the fighting decks being relatively popular because they lost their biggest weakness based matchup. But as a consequence of that there was actually quite a few well placing shadow rider decks, which, you know, shadow rider, I feel like it's a lot of flak for not being the best deck or being inconsistent. So it was really cool to see there's a shadow rider in top eight and then there is a bunch more and like the top sixteen, top thirty two of this event. So really good performance fresh shadow rider. Honestly it's pretty cool to see. Yeah, it's really interesting. I thought heading into a tournament like this that there would be. Since Mow v Max was banned, the next kind of in line, the next successor in my eyes, is the Jolti on deck. So I figured that the top eight would be littered with Joelty on decks, but that absolutely was not the case. We saw that the rapid strikers food deck came out on top, piloted by Kevin Abernathy and, you know some other interesting things. But yeah, like you said, I think that the really big surprise is that so there wasn't really that much jolty on or if there was, you know, they're about ten players in the hundred and seventy, so ten players playing jolti on. You know, people maybe thought that there would be a lot of joltion. Thus they played Ershafu and then people thought, well, if a lot of people are playing erche food, then maybe I'll play shadow rider. That's, like you said, this kind of domino cascading effect that is really fascinating. Now we've talked about in the podcast before as well as kind of like you need to be that next level of the Meta, right, the counter to the counter, the counter to the counter, and we literally saw that play out here with like the decks that were successful, deific. Yeah, yeah, you want to be on the cutting edge. Not Not too far, but I think you know, one step removed, right, if everyone you think is going to play Joeltie on, if you think that's going to be the best deck, and then everyone's going to counter that, then you need to be on that one step further, and so those shadow rider players certainly were. We're we're cooking something up there on that on that next level. Yeah, I mean, you know, even a dragon hull making the top eight there as well. Cool to see. PSYCHOND decks are good turns out. It just they're not as good when you can play a better one. I guess why would? Why would I play shadow rider and I can play you? Is the ever present question. I mean that is very legit right, because you just think about the as as good as unlimited damage can be, you don't necessarily need it, right, you don't necessarily need it, and it takes a while to get up there and it's just much less consistent. Right, you're playing thirteen, fourteen, fifteen energy in some cases in these decks, along with having to evolve to get your drop power going, it can be a little bit of a mess at times. But again, the format so fast with me and it that it just pushes shadow...

...rider completely. And I think, I think, if you especially like shadow rider as a psychic deck compared to me, you because shadow rider, you know, the point is to draw a lot of cards and to do a lot of damage, and that's what you does, probably the best of any deck in the format, is it draws a lot of cards and does a lot of damage. At least like a deck like dragon pull, I could see still existing alongside you because it dragonful does something unique in the spreading of damage or a shadow writersn't really have that. You know, I get you have like the glarnatic, who knows, but that's not like a spread strategy. That's just right and it's not a primary strategy for sure. Yeah, so it's cool to see. I was like when they do these like hyper hypercentralized Meta and they just ban the card for one tournament. I don't like the concept of just like banning decks out right unless they're truly a problem. I don't think me is necessarily at that threshold to ban it. We might, we might agree to disc I mean I would, I would ban at least one piece of the puzzle, maybe be in a piece of the puzzle, but like not ban the deck out right right, and the piece to ban wouldn't be like Mew v Max, you know, you know right for sure you can still play the deck. So it's cool to see, though. It's cool to see. I always enjoy seeing those. Is like one off events. You know, it takes me back to when we'd see like the ATP ban tournaments and like Santa Condo would win. Yes, absolutely well. It's really cool because I think this is something that we can take from the video game community, where they're always doing crazy things with their game to try to make it fresh, new and interesting, and to some extent we're seeing that with these tournaments. We're seeing that with the GLC format that, yeah, drahone is created, and so I like people to be a little bit more creative with how they build x or how they structure the game. And certainly this was very popular, right. Yeah, a lot of people kind of resonated with, oh, mew is is very popular, let's get rid of it and let's have some fun in this little bit slower, you know, theoretically, a little bit slower format. I think it's something that we should definitely be promoting. So if you have good ideas for these kinds of tournaments, I mean I'm all for people kind of getting on limitless. They make it so easy to just for real. These ornaments do your do you remember the tournament last year where it was like you had to play a dragon pull v Max in your deck or something like that? Yeah, and that is one single stride. Yeah, it was really funny. It was like, I think you had to it's like you had to play, like you had to play a higher count. I thought too. It wasn't just like one of them. Yeah, you had, I think had to play like a four fours and they yeah, yeah, exactly, that was that was really funny. That I want to see out to see for the creative events like that. Yeah, so if you guys have any ideas, make sure to tweet at us. That tag team Pokmon. It's some, but we should. We should host a tournament Rle. I think that, yeah, fun. We should. That would be fun and we can commentate over and stuff. Ideas, ideas, ideas. We've got lots of cricket ideas. An you know what else we got here? Jw What's that? We got a card of the day? Oh, that we do. That's me. It's my q. So my card of the day is from two thousand and nine. This is about when I was getting into the game. I wasn't playing competitively, but I was getting into the game. I was learning about what SP's were, what level XS were, what that whole format was about diamond and Pearl and there was this card that I always saw that I thought was really interesting because it's just so unique. They always do a really cool job of bringing in ashes pokmon into the Games and they did it in diamond and Pearl and it maybe you know which card I'm talking about, since you're such a big peach. You stand. But there is a peek at Schue like, I don't know, Pikachu m level X M is kind of the Pikachu tail. So I don't even know if it's actually supposed to be an M, but it's really cool because Pikachu is just a basic pokemon. Normally on these level x cards they will have the final stage evolution get the level X, but it was pikachus. That's really unique. And then also it was ashes Pikachu because most SP trainers in fact, all SP trainers had or SP cards had their trainer in the bottom right hand corner of the card. So for this one, speak a Chu and it's got Ashcatchum pointing out at you. It's just a really fun inventive card and we'll be posting this on the twitter so you guys can see it, you know, in a...

...couple days now. But yeah, really great card, beautiful interesting in a lot of ways. Again, that little Pikachu tail in the title is really unique. Yeah, ash on the card just cool. You know, I I know the card you're talking about and I pulled it up as well. I did not realize that that it was referred to as like Pikachu. Am I always this thought of it as like a kind of a nebulous pikachu tail symbol. Yeah, because usually like the letter or first to the trainer in some way. Right, like you have Gar chomp se, or it's like for champion, you have, you know, luxury gl for Jim Leader and you know, etcetera, etcetera. So like what does the APP for? Well, now, I'm now, I'm my mind is blown because I didn't realize the sea and the you didn't in the GEL. Yeah, there's there CGL EF G. Oh, yeah, oh my goodness, gef, do acted put the pieces together? Gi, like Turtswig, right, because that's the bug or the grass gym leader. Yeah, like turn to it gl yeah. So what is okay, they're name Robat G for Galactic. Okay, and I lux Ray G INFERN A E for for early, for because it's flint from nearly for okay. So what is sp mean? That's what I was going to ask you actually when you were when you said that you were learning about Sp. I was going to ask if you learned what SP itself. Man, that's a great questions. I don't know. I don't know if it actually means anything. Yeah, it's just like you know, x or something. I think if it if it means anything, it probably means special, is my guess right. It's gotta be. I'm gonna Google it real quick. But, Mike, I guess my question is, what is a pokemon ab what is the M mean? I mean it's got to be a Pikachu tail, does it? I mean it is a Pikachue tail. HMM, but I feel if it's referred to as m and maybe it is actually an m and m stands for something misty. It's a very SYS this. He's bigot to with ash on the on the card. I digress. Okay, POKEMON SP are variant found in the POKEMON trading card game, SP and abbreviated form of special pokemon. There is very, very depending on the theme of the expansion with which they appear, very interesting. There is Pokemon G, pokemon GL, pokemon for pokemon c. How about this one, Pokemon FB, Frontier Lane, frontier, frontier brains you got like the most notable, I think, would be Dragonite FB, which had kind of a punishing attack for opponent's SP pokemon. Yeah, he had the battle tower guy on him, he did. There are actually many other Pokemon M. Okay, pokemon m were debuting. They were classified as movies pokemon and they have the anime character that uses them in the bottom right in the archias to a conquering spacetime movie. Apparently these were promos that were somehow associated with the movie. There you go. There's a Pechu, there is a Kechuw. Yeah, I think it has a bunch of different arts to Oh, it's adorable. I know it's like the only country card that I it's one of, if not the only, Ketu card that I don't have a yeah, that one's insane. I'm just seeing the one. If there are multiple arts, I don't see the Oh my goodness, oh, they're six arts. There's nine arts. Yeah, there's ten arts. They're beautiful. I know, what the heck? I know. Yeah, there, you have to get these. I don't know. I haven't looked at him in a while. there. Last time I looked at him I was in college and it was a way outside of my budget. My budget. Has Things changed? There's one peach you has like a little okay. So. So the idea here, I think, is that for some of these peaches, I guess for all of them, they gave them, they gave like some artist or some child, like a static image, and then they were tasked with drawing behind it, apparently, because there's just like, you know, the Peachoos in the same position, but it's got like strawberries and poorly drawn. It's like a it's like a coloring book prompt, you know, like one the yes at the menu at a restaurant. Yes, exactly like that. Wow, these are great. There's a there's a peach you with a little rainbow...

...and a flower hat on. There's a peach. You staring at the moon. These are insane. While I'll look into getting some of these. Maybe I'll make it a card to the day and show it off one day. Sounds good. These are really cool. And so we all learned something new. SP is a special pokemon and Pokemon M are movie pokemon. So there you go. Can't say tag team hasn't taught you anything, unless you already knew that. Then negative. I guess you could say that then, but only if you have never learned anything else. Well, Gw, I think it's about time we thank our sponsor. Absolutely. Yeah, thank you, thank you, thank you so much too. And that's it. We're getting UNHINGED, man, I don't so. The later we go, is this the hinge we're becoming? Is The middle of my first week back where it's true, true, kind of Lo isn't it? But thank you so much to man scaped, our sponsor for the podcast. MANSCAPED is one of, if not the global leader, in men's below the way screaming Riley, you have tried their products. I've tried their products. What's your favorite? Honestly, the lawn more for F I know, is my favorite. It's so, so nice, whether you're using it for above or below the way, screaming, you know, whatever suits your needs. It is just so smooth and you'll never get a nick from it, which is amazing, especially with the below the way screw. You don't want to knick down there. Trust me, I've tried other razors and they will give you nicks. So lawn more forf now reigns supreme for me, although I will say I am a huge stand. I've told many people this for their boxers. They're so comfortable they're ridiculous. I was actually talking about this with another friend of mine who had also tried the boxers and agreed with me wholeheartedly. So this isn't me just being a crazy person who's sponsored on sponsored. Friends of mine agree that the boxers are amazing. Really, their products are just super nice and high quality. Definitely well worth taking a look at. Yeah, so they produce great things. Riley and I both love them. If you have never had an electric razor before and you've always been kind of interested, well, now might be the time. You get twenty percent off, plus free shipping when you use our code tag team at Manscapecom. That's twenty percent off plus free shipping when you use our code tag team at manscapedcom. Yeah, give it a try. You know, it's the best way to support the podcast as well. You know, we don't make any money doing this, but we get sponsors and you know, and buying their products is one way that you can help support the cast and and sure that we can get more sponsorships in the future. So thank you so much to Manscape. That's manscapecom. Twenty percent off and free shipping with code TAG team. Keep your POKEMON SP looking clean. Absolutely. So, with that has said, Riley, let's get into our top decks of the format. It's about a while since we've done it. It has, I think you know, this break has certainly rejuvenated me to the point where you know, yes, I have grapes about me. You. Yes, I think something should be done about the deck, but there are other things that are somewhat viable, that can that can somewhat hang with me. Thus, I feel like you could have cut like half the words out of it and it wouldn't have sounded so bad. That looks that there are some decks out there that can kind of hang with you, and so that opens up the format slightly. So we don't want to run through a top twenty. I think that would be you know, you can you can probably find a youtube video on the top twenty decks of the format. But here we're we'll just talk about the top five and kind of give you some thoughts on what we're thinking about playing. If you know, if we were ever to enter tournament, what would our suggestions be? So, Riley, do you have kind of a top five in mind? You want to run down what you think you you're thinking here for the best x in the format right now? Yeah, I think it would be kind of fun if we almost just like went number by numbering and compared a little bit. So we'll start from the top instead the bottom, because we all know that top spot belongs to. Drum roll please, JW did it it in Telly on v Max. That's right, ladies and gentlemen, Double Shooting and tell you on v Max has been rainings of Freme on the ladder and tournaments for weeks now. People are stick of it. It's but actually, what dystopian...

...future did I just wake up front of you? As up, it is not the better year members. But actually, MeV Max is for sure the number one deck that you think that goes thout. Saying the draw is writtensane. The damage output, in saying the one at Ko potential, is insane. The price trade is super good. I mean it's got everything you want in a deck and probably a little bit more. So. Absolutely, yeah, muv Max just completely dominating right now, even like it's so easy for it to you know, that's the thing too, is like, yeah, anyone can play the deck, anyone can do well with it. We are seeing more and more counters start to become perfected. We'll get a little bit more into those in in just a moment. But MEV Maax just for the spread, the matchup spread that it has, its agility, it's quickness, it's ability to play a bunch of different cards. You know you can. You can tech things in, you know, you can play poke balls in there, you can play switching cups in there, like you have so much room to just play any Jank you want. I think that, to me as well, is kind of an indicator just of how strong it is, like you don't have to play the list that everyone else was playing to do well the deck. Yeah, there was a list that was sweet out that upset me the other day, and no gripes with whoever made the list, but it was playing to Pokemon catcher and to crushing Hammer. My mind. You pick one of them right like you play. You play four of one of them so you can get to actually use the effect triggered. It just that really hit me, man. That on trigger hard. Yeah, if you ever want to trigger Ailee, just tweet out a deck that, as you know, insane item splits. So mew obvious number one contender there. Path that, though, is or I think things get to be a little bit more interesting and contentious. So, JW, I think I'm already aware of your number two spot. Why don't you share that with us? Yeah, I think number two for me goes to Joelti on. It's the one deck that can really handle the detritus of single prize decks or just random like I feel like just it kind of handles the randomness of the format while also taking a slightly, and I just mean like by a by a hair, a slightly unfavorable matchup. To me, it's probably somewhere in that, you know, for fifty one range. So just saying like it can hang with mew vmax, largely on the back of Marny plus path the peak. But you're doing snipe damage. You're only attacking with one energy. So the speed with which it attacks, in the speed with which you can get up at jolty on v Max and really rec havoc on the opponent side of the field, is what's necessary right now in this format to compete. So joelty on definitely has it and has a little bit of that DIS ouption as well. So my number two is actually different, although I had a contentious numbers to position and for me I actually think Dr Ludon is number two, at least as the metagame stands right now. I mean, if we look at statistics from like our recent tournaments, not only is I think it's Raalid on, drallodon is is doing really well in terms of just as placements and it has such a good mew matchup. And just if we just look at like the raw numbers of how these decks are doing us each other, Derludon is putting up like sixty plus percent win rights against you. It's putting sixty plus percent win rights against a bunch of decks and that's very, very impressive. A lot of these decks are really reliant on special energy cards and so I think, I think in a vacuum maybe Shiltian's the better deck, but I think in a position to Metagame, I think durald on is really, really impressive right now. Yeah, are there any things? I mean, have you have you seen it played that much? Have you played it much at all yourself? Because for me one of the hardest things about Duralodon is just the the draws kind of weak. Right, you're definitely played is more. You're definitely playing a more, you know, kind of like Lucario Mel Metal Esque Deck, if you remember that from from the pre rap pressure. Yet a game where it's just, you know, you're kind of sitting behind, you know, a couple pokemon and you're drawing with USA she in and just kind of waiting for the stars to aligns you can get all your pokemon out. Are there any things that you're thinking about with the deck that are kind of drawbacks? Like I think the draw of the deck is it's major drawback. Is that I think that you believe as well? Or are you thinking like this deck just is the gas, you know, no matter which way you, selice. I think that's true to an extent. I mean you do have the Ashen to to continuously like end your turns on to like supplement your draw alongside like your adventurers discovery. So you like continue to pluck the V's out of your deck. Then it out a bunch, so she in to draw like more cars out of it. You do that for two turns and you've already seen, you know what I in additional cards with your adventures,...

...or a twelve cards with two adventures, discoveries and to Zashian's. So that's like some decent amount of cards. And then you still have your like your researches, your avery's in there. So I don't think it's maybe as bad. It definitely doesn't feel as good as like a Marnier research based deck, though, I will conceee that, but I think it gets what it needs out of its deck and to me that's enough. Yeah, you know, as someone who played a lot of the wacky smacky and only got what I need out of my deck and nothing more. Yeah, that that resonates with me. So yeah, certainly, and I think the ability alone just to be immune to special energy is like powerful enough that it can like get you there in some games without doing anything else. I do. I do love the Durreladn list in the sense that it provides an alternate way to play the game, just in terms of tempo. Yeah, most of these decks just go as fast as you can try to blow something up. Drelo down, you really have to take this patient mindset. Yeah, and knowing when to knowing when to attack, knowing when to heal, knowing when to pass in some cases like can really help you out and just having that matchup knowledge, I totally provided, provides a different way to play and potentially a more skill based way to play the game. So good. All right, it's number two. So let's move on to number three. Riley, which you got for number three, I have juelty on for number three. So, you know, quickly following up from your number two, I've my number three or sealty on. Yeah, do you feel like Joel ty on is a little underplayed right now? Under played? I don't necessarily think so. I think it's getting pretty good representation. You know, if we I'm just pulling up the the last late night, it jolty on got forty five plays as the second most played deck versus views seventy two. I think that's like pretty reasonable distribution. Yeah, you know, the grand scheme of things could be played more. Probably, I think, you know, like you said, it does. It's able to hang enough with me, you to stay alive, stay afloat the path of the peak. Marny strategy just just always going to be like an effective option. We kind of called that out. Is like something that could work versus mew on Day One, and Joel Tian's like the one that executes on that strategy the best by a pretty decent margin. So No, I don't think it's necessarily underplayed. I think, you know, depred amount of play about appropriate. Yeah, maybe slightly under yeah. Yeah, it's very cool. I'm looking through these stats as well on one of the numbers that jumps out to me is actually the the Ersh Fu matchup and not having as bad of a match up as I thought. So, or SPOO and Italian coming in from the most recent late night series. Thirty six percent win right against that deck, which is pretty crazy. Yeah, dirties, let's go to like the hardest counter. I think that you could imagine, right. So, yeah, in any case, my number three is going to be the kind of new hip rogue deck of the format, sable I hoopa moletrace in telly on. I think this is one of the more difficult decks to pilot because you're trying to position yourself with with your ry Hans and your Clara's, to get the most usage out of your Galerian multras at the end of the game. Yeah, we're your sable eye at the end of the game, and you gotta know, you know turns and advanced kind of how you're going to set up damage. Are you going to go in with HUPA now? Should you go into Tuppa to the active or Gust around their active? There's a lot of just different moving piecees that you have and then of course, always the the Italian lines, where where you're going to put the damage could be extremely important, especially when you're factoring in, you know, sable eye, which does more damage based on how much damage is on your opponent's active. So a lot of things to consider there. and has a has a fairly decent match up with me. Again, it can hang. It doesn't blow it out of the water, but but certainly has a favorable matchup against it and certainly can hold its own against a lot of other things, being one of the only viable one prize focus decks in the format. Yeah, I will say the DAHOPA Multraus deck is probably one of the most satisfying decks to play in the format. You know, you get to get to have your six fries game every time. You know you're proud of has to take a certain amount of turns just by virtue of how your deck works. What lets you play work Pokemon, and you know that's or here for always a good time, always a good time. One of the hardest things with the deck. I do just want to point this out. If you're thinking about playing the deck, just know that one of your worst matchups is going to be just blanket anything that can snipe, you know. Yeah, the the jolty on deck can be pretty difficult to beat, especially...

...if they get going early, because they can snipe your sobbles and really just control the board, as Jolti on can do. But the hardest one for me to beat is the the rapid strike Orsi food deck, just being able to snipe, you know, multiple attackers or multiple so bubles or whatever it is. Turned to is really, really hard to overcome. So, yeah, I think about playing the deck just kind of way your positive matchups and know that anything that can snipe joelte on and the Ershfu going to be pretty tough for you. Yeah, I actually I like that deck a lot. I didn't put it in my top five because the Giltyon and our she fu matchups just really our irksome. Oh, certainly, certainly, absolutely, to say the least. All right, let's go into our number of for slot then, JW. What do you got for us? For me, that's going to be where we overlap here in Deraldon. For me that feels like a top five deck, certainly for all the reasons we've mentioned, but maybe not as high as Joelty on or Houppah for me because I think the matchups are a little little worse for the Dralidon and certainly like there are ways that people can just tech around a Ralid on, like playing more basic energy and Joeltian for instance. Right. Yeah, so the rolled down there for me. As the format progresses, I would expect the Ralid on to kind of fall, like the better it does. Right, it's just this counter deck, so the better it does, the more people want to try to play around it, and then it's a fairly you know, Sim sae, but me, you like almost can't because they have to Elas has certainly. Certainly. So there you deck probably can't, but if the best deck like can't play around you, there's some inherent goodness. They're sure. You have to concede a little bit on that. Okay. Well, well, what if? What if me wasn't as as overpowered as everyone's saying it is? Well, it is. So, yeah, well, that is Um, I mean. But but me you can get around right, like just just use your just use your second attack on them Max. So true, go through all effects. I mean, it's not. It's not a crazy bad matchup from you. The thing, I mean it. You know, look at at the numbers. It's about as bad as Joelty on versus raps. So well, don't they? howevery however, you fall in the match. Yeah, they did not play them. However, you fall in the Jelte od versus rapid strike spectrum. That's where trell gotta imagine, Bro Imagine if me deck started playing path to the peaks. They could get around the dralludn ability. That'd be so nuts, dude. That would be so nuts, bro Imagine. I'd rather not. All right, how about you, number four, Riley? Which guy? Number four? I got the rapid strike or she food Dec I think out it's got. Obviously a bad matchup versus view. That goes without saying, but I think outside of you it has a pretty decent matchup spread. I think it does decently versus single strike decks. Obviously it's good versus Joelty on Italian out, or at least as good as Raalid on is. Versus mew, it's pretty good versus like some of those rogue type decks, things like save a lie or hoop that you know will sneak in there and try and get some some crazy wins. So I really like or she fu and telly on. I always have enjoyed playing it. I think it's a solid contender in any metagame just due to its flexibility. So if you think you're gonna sneak by some Muse, I think it's a it's a good contender. Yeah, definitely. Well, and and you can beat me you. We've talked about this on the podcast before as well. where. Yeah, if you draw perfectly the idea would be to rapid strike and then they knock you out, or rapid strike one and then rapid strike again they knock you out. You potentially you go in with with a Meta Cham and take an additional turn and then find your last knockout somewhere in there. So there are ways to win and I certainly have one with or shoo against you. But yeah, like you said, not a match you want to go into with that deck. Yeah, exactly, you have it. It's not a com you know, hundred zero. You have a chance. It's just requires like you draw perfectly and and the mew to not have any interaction with you along the way. Definitely, definitely. What do you have? As as you number five, then, so my number five, I was between orshafoo builds single strike or rapid strike. I gotta say I like the rapid strike. Rapid strike for me as the one that I was I'm more comp with. I think it's just just a little bit of a better deck right now with the current metagame. Single strikes certainly has its has its,...

...has its merits, but if it's if it's top five of Dex I you know certainly have dext I would play. I think there shook. Rapid strike is the better choice. I would agree. I would agree. Okay, number number five for you. Number five for me is got to be metagrows of emax making waves, such a troll. But actually my number five a single strike. I think. I think it's like significantly worse poise and the current Meta than rapid strike, to be honest. But I think it's still a solid contender. I mean it's more of a higher roll deck, I would say, thin rapid strike or any of the decks I previously listed, where you need things to kind of go your way and draw right. But if you happen to get those and you, you know, you hit the right matchups along the way, then then single strike is definitely a solid deck. Still has really good type coverage. It always has. That's kind of been its main benefit. It just, you know, has awkward draws, it has awkward starts. Yeah, absolutely so. If you were to go to a tournament, Riley, what would you play? I would probably play either Joel Tian or Dalidon if I was trying to like enjoy myself, and I plame you if I was trying to win. Okay, how about you? I played Joel Tion. Yeah, I played Joel Tian more definitively joltion. I think it depends what I'm feeling that day. Some days I really just want to put damage counters all over the board. Some days I want to put a big guy in front, just a massive dude, and ask my opponent if they have it. And that's I mean that's one of the fun things about the Dreldon list and the drellid on deck is that it's kind of picking up in popularity. More and more people are trying it and we should start to see lists, you know, pigeonhole a little bit in terms of optimal counts of certain things. Like right now what I'm seeing is being very variable is the team, the count of team Yell Towel, like that's just one card that jumps out to me is some people are playing, you know, four of them, some people are playing two of them. You know, where is that sweet spot? Maybe it's right in the middle, maybe it's three, maybe it's four to I don't know. But just as more and more people try the deck, you know, will people plays a she and as a higher count, or will they even plays Amazonta at all? Like these are kinds of the questions, yeah, that we should start to see kind of hash themselves out, just as more tournaments be played. I think will, as a community, coalesce around what we all agree is the correct build. And I guess like one last side comment is, like during Durreldon is it, you know, kind of a uniquely built deck versus a lot of the decks that we're seeing and they'll be today. It's built different man. It's, you know, it doesn't have like the traditional draw engine, it doesn't have the Inali online. It's got its own thing going for it. I really want to see that kind of like energy channel into more decks as we go into, you know, the final weeks of of this Meta game and as we move into brilliant stars. I would love to see like more variety and the deck building strategies that were using, because I think there has to be more out there. If you know, why didn't we, why didn't we play stuff like this earlier into the metagame? You know, we found it right, so I'm curious to see what's next. Absolutely well, I think we left on a pretty solid note here. You know, playing you if you're trying to take home the gold play Joel Ti on as your second choice sound side piece, your side side piece. It is little route to Jolteon, but yeah, I mean that's what we would do. And if you learned anything today, to SP stands for special POKEMON. If you learn two things today, the SP stands special Pokemon, pokemon, ammer movie pokemon. And if you learn three things today, it's the third one being that you should play me or jolty on ad tournament this week. There you going. I have one more thing to add, Riley. Let's go. What is it? Everyone is going to learn who won the giveaway pump out of us, who wants to give Mr Daw we had a giveaway running this last week where we were going to select three people that engaged with the post, retweeting, following and liking the post, and they would win one of three prizes. So we had the single strike Ershifu and rapid strike Orshiafoo leak battle decks, which are prebuild decks intended for, you know, players that either are new to the game or maybe don't have a lot of cards, and gives you, you know, a decent, workable deck that you could bring to a league or something with kind of a base list, a skeleton list, if you will, of those main archetypes. We also were giving away a trainer tool kit. So, without further ado,...

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