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Season 4, Episode 27 · 3 months ago

4-27. WE are the Champions

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Yo, what is up guys? Looking back to tag team, the POKEMON Training Card Games Premier podcasting duo. My name is Riley Hobart. Joined always find my good friend and fellow champion, MR JW Curry. Wall JW has a hanging today, dude, it's going really well. What a weekend. What a weekend indeed. So, for the UNINITIATED, JW and I had a very successful weekend. Over the last couple of days we attended the Full Grip Games to K and K for standard GLC respectively, and between the two of us we took it home. It was pretty crazy. You could not have scripted a better weekend. I was so stoked. On I heard that Riley had won the k the standard tournaments and I couldn't make that tournament, so he got off a little bit, he said, my opinion, but then I came up for the GLC tournament kind of on a whim. I wasn't really planning on it for the longest time and then the week of I kind of made that decision and I ended up taking that one home. So pretty exciting stuff and we have launch to talk about today. Yeah, it is awesome stuff. It was awesome stuff and in both of us kind of claimed these tournaments in advance. We did. It was a it's always nice to live up to your own kind of self life, for sure, for sure, we were. We were, you know, excited about it. On the cast I actually made some comments on twitter about like I'm going to win this tournament and like can't you know, have a bust to deck and all this kind of stuff, and it came to fruition, which is always it's always good to be able to back up your words with your actions. Oh, absolutely, absolutely. I also been texting Natalie, like around the time that I'd booked my flights and like I'm going to come and I'm not going to do anything less than win this all this effort. So and that working out, obviously. So yeah, well, we have a lot to talk about. So we got standard, we got GLC, we got card of the day. Of course, sanders in the middle. So let's get right down to it. So I figured that probably be good to just kind of interview one another. You know, we don't often get this opportunity to speak to to the champions of these tournaments and because we never win them, that here we are dual, dual, champs. So we're going to go ahead and it kind of hype each other up. I mean I was really excited, Riley, when I heard that you had won the tournament. I was like I'm so proud, like anytime you do well, I'm like that's that's my tags. That's why, guys. Yeah, it's my guy. You know, I know him. I know and you know. I'm sure you felt kind of, you know, similarly from absolutely really, really cool to kind of see you win that first one and then it kind of put a little pressure on me, like I gotta at least make top eight GLC tournaments. That kind of you know, have I can't just have Riley going out here winning. I'm competitive guy. I can't just have Riley win and then me not even show up to the Jessy tournament. So it's true, cool, it's true. Now I know as well that we had said that we wanted to talk about some of the new cards this week. We're just going to table that discussion all together. You know, these cars are not going to be out for a while, so we'll talk about them as they start to be more relevant to our standard journey here in the states. There is one other piece of news that I figure we should briefly touch on. Oh we should. So if you happened, if you happen to be an audience member of this podcast and somehow miss this, bless your heart, because you are a truly an unfathomably good fan of the gast. But generation nine was announced just the other day. Pokemon scarlet and pokemon violet. Nice, will throw back to red and blue. Now, this isn't a video game cast. I figured we don't have to talk about, you know, much of the details there. But Ja TVO, I'm really curious. Of the three new starters, frigatito, a fuake, cocoa and Quaxley, which one speaks to you? Which one do you feel that deep intimate connection with? Sure, absolutely. Initially I was all about the Dolan duck starter. I thought Qu actually was, you know, cute and kind of quirky. But the more that I sit and think on it, the more that I think I would choose sprigotito really, maybe just for name alone. Really, Brigetto's really calling to me, for sure. Easily the worst starter is way COCO.

Okay, well, you kind of beefrom with me right now. A little bit I go out of you. Yeah, exactly the opposite, pretty much about to hear so. So hear me out on this and I think once you hear me, you may, you may understand my prospective convince me. Coming so Quaxley, I wasn't a huge fan of from the get go because when I first saw it I immediately thought it was just like a ducklet you know, upon further examination, like side by side, I can see the visual disparities between them. But quaxley's basically like ducklet has like a little puff on the bottom of it, and Crackley's like if you took that puff and put it on the top. So also, I don't know why, I just I feel like quaxley would be racist. I can't explain it. This is bad, bad vibes coming from Quaxley. Okay, okay, overall, bad vibes. Got It. And spriggetto is very ute, but it feels almost identical to Lytt into me. Okay, it's like if you took the Lytton and put the the green bucket on it. Sure, sure you know, puffed out its tail. That's quiet. That's a SPAGETTO, not Quixley. It's definitely not quietly. Okay, okay, and then so, so elaborate a little bit on flay cocoa. then. So, Flay Coco has the same kind of chaotic good energy as like tododial almost, where it's like right just to chomp on something and and gobble it up. But Flay Coco has one thing at total ile dozen't you know what that is, besides just being a fire type, a little slice of craft cheese on its belly. It does have that. It also is is exceptional. It's just a round little guy, and if there's one thing I love, it's a round little guy and like yeah, my twitch channel is named munter because at named after, you know, Manna. Another round little guy. Okay, okay, it's so fl cocoa being just around dude chomps on stuff like that's awesome. That's sick. It's like the it's like the what's the game where you had the like the crocodile mouth that would like hungry, Hungry Hippos? No, but it was like a crocodile and you'd like brush his teeth or something. You know what I'm talking about? I have no idea. It was in that era where you'd have like the like the elephants game that blew the butterflies around. You'd have, okay, that crocodile with the bad tooth that you'd brush the teeth hung gay hippos is kind of in that sky. Yeah, I know what you're talking about, bad tooth crocodile game. Yeah, I think that's what it was called. Yeah, is exactly that was. It is the bad tooth crocodile here. So I don't if I coker gives me those kind of vibes. He's just he seems like the one who I'd most want to hang out with, you know, outside of work. So so I like my Coco. I don't know. Do you understand where I'm coming from? Well, okay, the thing about Fay Coco is that his eyeballs are just there without they're kind of emotionless. Yeah, which is good. That's what you want, I think. I think emotions are kind of canceled. Okay, okay, okay, respect, respect. I don't know. It just looks like it's the weakest design of the three, in my opinion. Don't know, I see it, I think was less. No, lifeless is cool. If this is cool, and maybe that's what they're going for. Maybe it's like a ghost type or something like. Well, some people are thinking that there's like there's discourse right now, right, obviously, about what these will evolve into. Please, Frege Tito, stay on the ground, don't stand up. So true, the and there's, and this is all theory, theory, monning, but some people are saying that fight Coco is, you know, because it kind of looks like a Chili Pepper, that he's going to evolve into like a ghost pepper, you know, right, which is a really clever reference if that ends up being true, a ghost pepper. And like, you know, if it's said in Spain, then you have like a you know, day in the dead, Da Day. Yeah, we're yeah, sie thing, which is, you know, definitely not Spain, Spanish and origin. No, I think they also have some kind of do they like who am I don't want to speak right people's culture? I don't know why I and I don't know. I think it. I mean because Mexico is kind of a colony of Spain, right. So, yeah, I think they share a lot of cultural overlap, not necessarily that they are the same, but do white guys trying not...

...to Dick themselves into a surest true idea about let's see, let's I'm looking. I'm looking at it right now. Day of the dead in Spain. I think they celebrate it. Oh, cool, nice, yeah, I was right. Okay, okay, yeah, you're really smart and cool. Thank you. Cool, I've I've with it, then. I I do like the idea. I do think if they do the ghost pepper out, that is like a really clever, you know, idea for a pokmon and it being fire type is like a cool you obviously references like pepper thing. God, I solved it, guys. That's good. That's good. So I don't know, I like him. I'm sorry that you're a hater and we just have different preferences. Which have different preferences? Sure, well, let us know on social media what you start that you're looking at forward to at tag team Pokemon titter, but we absolutely I think now it's the time, JW. It's time to get into the meat and potatoes of this episode. This is a very special episode. Never before has a cohosting duo of a POKEMON TCG podcast one two separate events in the same weekend to my knowledge, and that is what we have done here tonight, this weekend, Ladies and gentlemen, a Pokemon TCG. First we will be entering, you know, entering a new era really, and it won't be the last. Tag team will do it again. We'll do it again or with die trying. So anyway, let's get into our interview of the Full Group Games to k standard tournament with Riley Hulbert, the champion. Riley, talk about how you selected your deck for this tournament. I means always an interesting thing coming into a new format. So walk us through what you were thinking when you know, you knew that you were going to go to the tournament, how you kind of picked your deck and what that looked like. Yeah, it was a it was, admittedly, a little bit of an emotional roller coaster. You know, when I had started planning, or you know when I when I was starting to plan my deck proper, a couple days beforehand. You know, I thought about it. For sure, over the last few weeks. I was feeling playing something relatively straightforward that I thought would handle the metal well. You know, think of the single strike gang are that we had talked about the other day, you know, or last week rather, think about the ent a decks, stuff like that. Stuff that was straightforward handled the Meta game pretty well. It was relatively familiar in terms of its deck structure and that was kind of the game plan I had going in. The only deck that I had packed was my swecoon deck, because I figured out that was like a solid backup option as well. Right, let's just play the dog. After I land and arrived at the Mahone residence, you know, I'm just sitting down chatting with with chip and Andrew and Atlie and, you know, trying to figure out what deck is best for tearing apart the decks that he had built for his tabletop stream stuff like that, and we play a few rounds with a single strike deck and it hangs really well with them. You, the list that we had come up with was was really given me the hand, which was something I thought was important, was to at least take a, you know, a reasonable matchup against you. I think mew inherently doesn't have any matchups that are too terrible, but that was kind of the logic there is, we should at least hang with you, we should get dominated by it. It's they're like all right, fine, single strikes to move whatever, like, let's just call it there. And then, you know, the corner of my eye I spot the booshake drout on deck, that that and she had played on stream, and I'm like a chip, let's let's play the let's play the gang against this, you know, let's see, let's see how it hangs, because we've only really played the me matchup and I want to make sure it has like a generally okay metagame presence. Sure. So chip plays the booshake me draft on just absolutely destroys me two games in a row and I'm like, wait a second, we didn't play the booshakes once and I got destroyed, like what's going on? So we take a look at the boost shake dra out on deck and the first thing we do is like, all right, we have four slots because there are four boots shakes here. So so we can really get creative with how we start building this death. Andrew's like, no, no, don't cut the shakes. You know, it's all about the content, like Andrew, no, no, no, you're you're your crazy on a crazy right now. Not gonna lie go a little crazier right now. So...

...chip and I we get to work the first thing. First couple things we do is we take out all the shakes to play a maximum amount of pokemon search possible, and we we play the collapse stadium instead of the Crystal Cave, because right we realize that the crystal cave isn't really doing you any favors in terms of math if you're not using other forms of healing alongside of it, you know, if you don't have your yell towels or your hyperposons and stuff like. The thirty damage, presumably one time, doesn't really change your Cho math pretty much ever, as far as I could tell at least. So we call all that. We've played some some more straightforward cards, more consistency cards. We maxed out on all of our put our researches are Marni's. We played Max poke gears and then we almost cut the mustard, but andrews like really on the mustards. I we're going to or keep the mustard. Mustard ended up being amazing. So I'm really glad that we have to. And we tested that list and it was just it was doing really, really well. So chip and I played a bunch of games against you. It went like fifty, like all right, that's good enough. We'll take that. It's destroying everything else that we have. Right now. Everyone else who is at Andrew's House that night is making fun of me for practicing standard. Like this guy's like he's playing standard right now. Is this? Is He for real? Yeah, right, I'm like, okay, you guys are being mean right now. That's not very nice and take it back. Take it back. You admit that I'm really smart and cool for doing this. For sure. For sure, and that's kind of that's kind of just how it happened. Is We we ended up just testing that are out on that kind of randomly against the deck that I was intending to play. It, destroyed it and and we decided that was the way to go. And I think in hindsight it was real. I think the move was definitely a play a deck with archaeus in it. Yes, I think Arkeis is probably the best individual card in the format. Yes, you're you're probably right there. The star birth. Of course, that ability is just really the main reason. I think you played that the card right. I mean you have, of course, the energy acceleration, but actually we just so consistent the the whole. I think starbirth, I probably used starbirth, not every single game that I got Arkius out even. And the reason that the deck actually flowed so well to me is we ended up maxing out all of our are double turbos and our arcis count while also leaving our draught oncount kind of thin. And the reason that we did that is because, my opinion, you can get drought on up and running. It is a phenomenally good pokemon to have in your active position with three energy on it. The abilities good, the attack is good enough and it just gets there. The problem with the rout on as a standard deck previously was that you had to attach to that guy a bunch of times before it did anything. So you almost had to play that healing just to make up for the fact that you're wasting so much freaking time right right the game. That dynamic is completely changed if you Max out your archias and double turbo count, because not only is Archis v Star amazingly good, but archy is v maybe the most broken evolving v I've ever seen in my life. The fact that you can attach that double turbo and immediately get that off. There were so many games where I would do that. My arcis view would get koted, but I had, like now, the route to win because I had a three energy pokemon on board. Right exactly. Or you can even get creative, like I had games where I was Arcius being using the the the trinity. What is the the acceleration attack? I always mess let us up the Trinity Whatever to see accelerate my energy. Yeah, Trinty Noble's the attack that does damage and then its trinity, something else that accelerates just from the v A. Trinity Charge. treny charge. Yes, I always remember in game, but I can never remember out of the game. So I would trinity charge, sometimes even do a different archis and just like use that one later. It was just it was so, so good and basically the entire point of the list, by maxing out the ball cards and the double turbos, was that turn one. I would trinity charge going second no matter what, and I would commit to that really hard in my games. I would be researching away like a fighting energy and metal energy with my archie is active just to hit the double turbo. If I had as long as I for in deck, I would do that every single time. I'd always paid off and some gets I wouldn't even get a starbirth off, but I would get that one trinity charge and that would define the game. I see very, very interesting. Yeah, so would you say that, you know, kind of looking back, would you have added any more? I don't know. It's like switch cards, because I noticed in the list there's only to switch and one escape rope was starting Durrelod on over. The archis ever a problem you and your in your matches. It...

...never ended up really being a problem. You have to for it's like, truthfully, matter you have to go. You have to go second and with the you have to go second, hit the Archias, hit the double turbo and with the switch card, which usually wouldn't have, all three of those things happen. If you go first, it doesn't matter as much because you can just get the archis feed down and like attached to it and then you know, evolve and and get your switch card, which didn't feel like painfully bad to do, although certainly like more switch cards wouldn't hurt the deck either. Right, right now, I assume you still want to go first. Right, it kind of depends, honestly, like, okay, honestly, like we were debating quite a bit, like what was good for the mew matchup in particular. You know, we had tested. We'd only played the four games the night before her we went to too, but I actually won both of the Games where I went second. But then in practice in the tournament, you we always ended up going first when we could against me, because if they didn't get the turn one mellow at a then you're just going to cook in, and the collapse stadium kind of made it awkward sometimes for them to get that. But yeah, I think generally, like you do want to go first, like getting the Trinity Nova is objectively better than getting the Trinity Charge Right, but the deck was built in a way where it felt okay going second and getting the trinity charge off right away. M Gotcha cool. What what point during the tournament did you feel like you were going to win? Like, I know we talked about this in the past and like yeah, you're indie rounds and I don't want to go through round by round because you kind of post a little summary on twitter and like people can ask you right about round by round. But what were some of the like the moments in the tournament that were big moments? And then was there ever a point that you knew that you were going to win. Yeah, you know, in contrast some my's, my other tournaments, you know, if you look listen to the cast or just have talked to me about some of my other big wins in the past, I'll often say like pretty early is when I felt like I would win. I did not feel like that at this tournament because I had kind of a slow start to the event. I had start off with a tie and then I got to win, which is kind of reassuring, and then I got a tie following that. So I was feeling like kind of crappy heading into, you know, round for onwards, and I was like really timpted just to drop honestly, not to save myself the the mental energy, because I'm like, there's no way I'm making top cut from here. I have to win out in this deck is good, but I'm probably going to tie again along the way, stuff like that. However, once I had seen the seating for top cut, I felt pretty confident that I would win the tournament, and the reason for that was my the deck I was most afraid of at the event was probably ice rider. The deck that I was second most afraid of was mew and the mew opponent that I had, though, is only playing one basic psychic, was what I heard, and that obviously forced them to basically only use Max miracle to damage my draught ons, which just so slow it doesn't really get there. So I was feeling really good heading into top eight, especially because the other sides of the bracket it looked like dark box is likely to succeed and as far as I could tell, that matchup was really, really good. You know, I got only played a couple times week. Yeah, talk to me a little bit about the the dark box sweezing multus matchup, because I mean, they put a lot of pressure on with their you know, one prize Pokemon, but you're also able to kind of route out the game with forcing them to take seven or eight prizes. So kind of talk to me about what that match him look like. It looked like just reviewing kind of how your tournament went, that you didn't really have any trouble with it over the course of the day. But just walk us through with that matchup look like, because I feel like a lot of players are gravitating towards this wheezing multras deck as as an obvious answer to me, you and also just being able to counter a lot of other things in the meadow. Yeah, the weasy Multras deck is actually that the I like a lot. I played it quite a bit on the ladder pre brilliant stars. So and I mentioned in my interview with Andrew I felt like, because I'd played it so much, I knew the things that would like annoy me and bother me as a dark box player, and so I try to just do those things as much as possible right right. So, for example, and first off I guess you know, as a baseline, the Archys v Star is like a huge pain in the butt for that deck. It just is a lot of hit points, the only gives up two prizes and the math doesn't w work out...

...super great like basically the only you've kind of hit these HP thresholds with the draught on TAC where the only thing that really is threatening chaos for the majority of the game is stable eye, and obviously they don't want to put stable I in the game to take like their first knock out. They want to do it for like their last knockout or something like that. So the way I would usually handle it is I end up going second in a lot of the Games because I won a lot of them, so you know they'd force me to go a second in every subsequent game I would try and get the trinity charge of of course, if I was going forst a, pretty reliably get the Trinity Nova off, which usually just kind of sealed the game right away. The keys, though, in the in general is you get the Quick Trinity Charge, Save Your evolutions for when you need them. The drought on V, you know to get out of poison. Basically like, for example, if you're just attacking into the first wheezing and they haven't poisoned you yet, you might as well just use like the drought on V if for three metals, that chaos the wheezing and then if they happen to poison you next turn, you know you can just evolve out of it. Plus, the rout on V has the damage reductionability, which is super elevant for like the hoopas and stuff like that. Same thing for like the Archeus is like you can ko like a coughing or something or a sobble with the the power edge on the ARQUS V and then evolve out of the poison so it stops stacking, just like little things like that out of a right time. And I think the the ultimate like nail in the coffin is your pokemon of so much HP. And you can pretty effectively like pivot between them, because Archus v Star will pretty reliably like charge up at least one, more than likely to attackers, and it will. You can just retreat off your double turbo. So you can retreat into another archais and then retreat their double turbo and retreat into Drolton. and honestly, like I would just I would throw down the the double turbos and retreat them on draught ons. Like it's three energy to retreat cost. So you only have to pay one of your colored energy to retreat if you got the doitor on there. And just like retreating using your switches, forcing them to to gusts, because really they're big Ko options can pretty much never come alongside of a gust. You know, you think of the Ry hand save a Liye, you think of the Clara for Multis. None of those can be accompanied by a boss's orders. So right, as long as you have your your big freaking guy in the front, it doesn't matter almost how much damage you have on the bench that turn, and so I would play that that really hard and I would build wider benches in that matchup that I wouldn't pretty much any other. Like in most matchups, I would have like to Pokmon on the board, three pokemon on the board. I was like actually benching a lot of different pokmon versus the the wheezing deck, because I would just keep moving between them and they couldn't handle that. That's a fantastic point that I think you know, especially a newer listener, newer to the game, might not understand. Is like, yeah, just hard retreating or those little tricks we're getting out of poison on the evolve like that can really add up over time in terms of the amount of damage that you're taking and, like you said, the opponent, if they're playing that, that wheezing dark deck, they are always going to be, you know, kind of struggling to keep attackers going. Right, their attackers all have less HP for the most part than the attacks that you're dealing to them. So they're going to have the continually recycle attackers get new things built up and that makes it really hard for them because they have to use yeah, like you said things like Ryhan to be able to stream those attackers effectively and if they're using Ryhan, use boss. So that's a big deal, right. So, yeah, building those benches is is a huge, huge thing in that matchup. Cool. Well, what were some things that you know, as you finish the day, your crown champion, as you reflect back on your tournament run, was there anything that you would have changed about the deck? I think the deck was I think the deck was maximized exactly the way I wanted it to be. Historically, I've fallen into the chap too many times. I think of polluting my deck with text and things like that, like trying to tech out for the Meta, and I try to do pretty much the exact opposite for this event. Is just played the most streamlined, straightforward version of this deck that I possibly could. Yeah, and I really stand by that being a good decision and generally, like, I think that's a good decision. No matter what the text have to be adding a fairly significant amount of value to be worth changing your deck for, because, especially if their matchup specific, they have to like really swing that match up to be worth it, and there's very few cards I think that would really have that level of impact on any given matchup with this deck. And certainly...

...there are things that you could change. You could play more switch outs, for example, you could try playing like Kikilarians Aptos v to better handle other archaeus decks, things like that. But on the whole, I think the deck did what I wanted to do very consistently and I can't really complain about that. Say, yeah, I wouldn't change a ton. You know, if I was to change cards in the deck, I would change them on the order of like less than two, you know too or less cards, sure, for any given event. Sure, yeah, that's that's fantastic. At it's really feels like it's kind of a bittersweet moment, I'm sure, because you know, I don't. I don't remember if you're going to salt, like I don't believe you are not. Feels like it feels like the build that if you had just kind of kept it in the back pocket and then had gone to the first regionals of the year, you would have just smoked as well. Like this feels like a very Meta, defining deck. So kind of walk us through how you feel like the metal will warp around this deck, because it was the first major tournament. After the first three rounds, you know, you had a couple of ties, you pretty much swept right through to the finals, like it was not even close for the most part. So kind of walk us through where you think the metas shifts now that you won, you know, very convincingly with this deck. Yeah, I mean I think. I think the main factor is that other decks have to acknowledge the rout on as a threat. So, for example, like the fly go on deck was pretty much an auto win for us because they didn't play a supplemental damage to get through big charm. The flag on itself could only hit up to three hundred and fifty with a choice belt, which of course, is ten damage short of knocking out a big charm. To rout on they can. They play stuff like Zigzag and now they can't not acknowledge rout on. It is that kind of threat. The mew decks have to play basics like a energy's in a high enough quantity to actually be a threat to the drought on players, you know, at least too but right, you know, one won't cut it, but maybe three even. To continue to streamline those tax versus the drought on emacs is and I think that's kind of like the main areas where you'll see shifts around. It is you have to play decks that can support basic energies and you have or like can easily handle the the not playing basic energies, you know, like a single strike with path, either as to play like four path or has to play a thick line of the the vmax. The remacs are food to hit through the effect in the first place, and I think we've already kind of seen that response Cook Up. If you've been watching like the limitless tournaments from the last few days, the drought on deck is definitely shown up. The mew deck obviously still the most popular deck in the format. I think you was probably still the best deck in the format, and standard best like in the format doesn't always win every single tournament, but you're kind of seen that. That shift, though, already is a lot of people are playing the drout on they're often doing very, very well, if from what I'm seeing, but the the decks around them are better prepared to handle it in the first place. I would also say, like, if you're looking for a deck that probably has a good matchup against ro out on. I really felt strapped in the the ice rider matchups with her without archaeus. I think ice rider just, especially with a choice belt, like the fact that threatens your to one hit Ko your archis right away is really scary. The fact it, especially if they do play the archeis like a three energy basic archeis. Three Basic Energy Archeis is a huge threat on a rout on v Max because sure typically throughout on trades really well into the two prizers because it basically one shots all of them except for The v Stars. So that's scary. Yeah, yeah, that's good. Yeah, the ice rider matchup, certainly, just playing any I just feel like any deck that plays High Council basic energy, like kind of name. Name Your I'll choose your deck, I guess, outside of the Galerian weezing deck. Yeah, and I think, I think generally like any deck that can empower, like streamline, just like a couple of different basic energy archais. Those are the decks that I would be most scared of as a drought on player. Is Basic Energy Archeus is just swinging into me constantly doing the two hundred t hitko. I mean, well, I'm too hit kailing them, but for uneven prizes. Right, exactly, exactly. That's a huge deal for sure. So one last personal question for you. Yeah, talk to us about how it felt to win the tournament. I mean it's been two years since you've played, you know, competitive pokemon. Well, that's not necessarily, you know, exactly true, but you get the sentiment. Is like ten a long time since you've gotten you know, we're kind of back into the swing of things. How did...

...it feel to win the tournament and what were the emotions like after you, you know, knew that you were going to take your final prize? Like, what was that like? It was. It was an awesome feeling. I mean, as you know, it as, as I often say, history members winners. So it's a it's a big deal to etch my name into the the annals of history. But true. But more realistically, as I was in that final game and it was winding down and I realized like I was for sure winning that game, like the third turns, that as there's that like third turn hit and I knew it was hitting different, I felt super good and I was starting to feel like really uplifted because I just I had set like kind of low goal post for myself, to be honest. Like as I was going through the tournament like I would gone through the term, I like I just I want to drop this event. I don't feel it. And then I gotten kind of like okay, like I get top sixteen because I want a couple rounds in the row, I'll be happy with that. Like they're doing pay off top sixteen, whatever, like that's cool. And then it was like, okay, I don't want to get top eight, though. I definitely want to get top for. So, you know, let's push for top for. Let's definitely get top for. And then and it's like, you know what, I'm gonna win this whole freaking thing. Nobody else is going to do this but me. And then Mike gives grabbed the scoop upnet to signalize, signal to me that he was about to scoop the game on the final turn of the game. I was dying laughing at that. That was super funny and all my opponents were super, super nice throughout the whole day. You know, Kurt in my top four game did like the funniest thing that nobody on stream would have realized. So I'm going to realize now the first time that he like ascensioned into a wheezing. He like he turns around and looks at his buddies, like hey, give me a wheezing at his friend is like, he says, like it's like wires looked at, like perfect recreation of the anime. I like, what just happened? Like this is a top four game for a lot of money. You just turned around and did that. That's amazing. And then the next day Kurt walks up to me and he's like, yeah, my friend does the wheezing. I'm practicing like that Chap Act, like, Oh my God, this guy's cool. That's amazing. I was dying laughing. You know, my spirits were just really high towards the end of the day. Yeah, it's kind of what I'm getting out there. Like. I had such a pleasant rest set of opponents. They took their their losses and strides. As I crush them, GMAS, I gmax pulverize them. They took it stride. They were super kind, super nice and, you know, getting at what you were saying towards by the start, you know, I hadn't had real life pokemon experience since Collinsville. I literally not played cards with another human since Collinsville, right before covid nineteen shut down the whole thing or whatever. You know, you all know the story at this point. The so being able to just like pick up, pick up the cards again and just be like yeah, I haven't, I haven't just lost my edge, you know, even though, even though I haven't really played some of these online tournaments and things like that, I still got it, and I that was like a really reassuring thing to me. I was kind of going into the weekend. I was in kind of like a dark spot mentally unrelated to pokemon. So it was nice to know that like, not only do I still have like my friends in my community, but I still got it too. So that was it was a really great feeling. It was exactly what I needed, I think. Yeah, that's great, really exciting stuff. Congratulations once again, Riley. Is Really Nice having on the cast to share your thoughts. Thanks man. Hopefully I can be a guest some time in the future. Great being here. Well, standard is is certainly a ride for those of you who go into to Salt Lake. Hopefully we can continue to provide insight. Hopefully this adds some credence to our insight being at least a little bit legit. We're going to talk GLC in just a moment, but JW, want you hit us up with a card of the day. Yeah, so my card of the day is one that I picked up recently and it's just just a horrific looking card. I feel like this pokemon. You have a tendency to pick the odd looking on this. Yeah. Well, I feel like this pokemon in general is just kind of like a horrific looking pokemon. Yeah, it's kind of humanoid inform. It's had some very bad, like very bad cards over the course of its history. I really cares what you're talking about. Oh Yeah, well, it is.

It is like give me a deck sentry. Give me deck entry. Okay, let me, let me see here. I see if I can find it. Give me one second while you're doing that, we also we did this like fun little game after I dropped from the GLC event. Michael Susy was taking out cards out of bulk and like all right, you know, name the attack on this pok of odd looks so entertaining. That's awesome. You know what is gang ARV's first attack, dark as her for the REF yeah, I had no idea. I couldn't even tell you, man, I just know what they do. Right. It's like exactly, actually read exactly. Okay, I got the entry for right. Let's go. So it'll kind of give away the typing. So it's going to cut off like seven hundred fifty Pokemon, but to brush up on its fighting skills. It will challenge anyone. It has a very strong competitive spirit. Halucha Uglier, uglier conclder? No, think of a fighting pokemon that's uglier. Isn't cock older, like rock or something cold? Does a fighting POKEMON? Bro Straight brother is fighting? Well, I digress. A conclder is pretty ugly, though. You. Yeah, right. So the all right, get the card of the day is another comia special, quoppolis tyrogue. Okay, yeah, now a Quoppolis tyrogue like in. You gotta remember Camille is like a favorite of mine where he he makes all the pokemon look kind of awkward and they're their facial features are kind of weird and it's just really an unnerving experience to look at some of his cards, and this tyrogue is no different. It is kind of coming at you with an arm in the air that's cock eyed. It looks like it's been broken before, for it, you know, was running at you and it's got one little hand out with its with its three little fingers, kind of pointed at you like a like a gardening tool, and it's it's just really awkward and it's a funky looking looking dude. So ty rogue from a quappolist. There's also a promotional print of this same exact ty rogue. That's just as terrible. and Ty rogue is jumping rope and the ropes, you know, to kind of indicate the motion of the jump rope. COMIA has has drawn them with, you know, kind of surrounding the ty rogue. So it looks like he's in a ball made of his jumping rope. And so, yeah, just horrible. Cards. I just I'm looking at him. I'm Mike, just as that's so horrible. Is Truly a Trush, know for a ty rogue. Well, all right, P to the kid man, I know, but you know, it's not atrocious. I have an idea. It's our sponsor, manscape. That's right, man scaped is the sponsor of the TAG team podcast. In fact, we are presented by manscaped and we couldn't be happier to partner with them to bring you great products. I've been using the products now, what's for the last, like for five months now. They're awesome, really, really high quality stuff that they have gone out there and, yeah, I think we are just huge fans of everything that they've sent to us so far. Now, hear me out, and you know it's going to be good. When I started sentence with that, hear me out. regionals are coming up. Not only do you want to look your best, but you want to play your best. and JW and I are both avid users manscape products. We Love Our lawn more four point Oh are we whackers, near ears and nose hair trimmers, and I can say with confidence there's no way we'd be able to play so effectively and confidently if we weren't looking our and feeling our best. And there's no way that we would look and feel nearly as good as we do without manscapes. Help can I say to extend that just one step further, Iley, please do. Since using manscape products, we have not lost a tournament. It is true. It's we have one all the tournaments we have entered since using manscape. It's true your mileage may vary, but just keep that in mind. I mean it's now. We're not saying the exact thing will happen for you, but it's just something to think about. That's something I think about. Just keep it in the back of your mind, guys. So you can it your manscaped products with a...

Promo Code Tag team. Get twenty percent off, plus free shipping on anything in the store. That's twenty percent off plus free shipping manscapecom with the Promo Code Tag team. That's right. Thank you so much for manscaped for sponsoring the CAST. We appreciate your support and thank you for checking out Manscape user code. Let's dive into it then. Jw Glc, the GYM leader Challenge Format for the it's gone initiated. GLC is the pokemon format penned by Andrew Mahone and popularized across the world, wherein you are forced to play one pokemon type and your cards, besides your basic energy, are singletons, so you can play a Max one copy of any individual card. This is through the expanded format, so black and white onwards, and there's a handful of bands, but generally it's all you need to know to get started. Well, and know the right no robox. POKEMON is one XS. Yeah, no robots, cards, periods. That includes a specs, that includes prism pokemon. That are one prize. You can only play the straightforward evolving basic guys. None of that another crazy stuff. Okay, yeah, just US keep it. Yeah, on the straighten there. Everyone is allowed to have one one Archis v Star, but that's it. Well, that rolls tbd. That rules TVD. I'm trying. I'm trying to plug it though. Okay, yeah, one Arcis v Star and one restaurant in chars are one us. Well, fire getsum charts, that for sure, and a balance that so and so forth. So JW emerge the victor of the Sunday Full Group Games Tournament, the GLC event, and boy Oh boy, was an exciting one. Jaw emerging victorious with the dark type deck. Call in the dark night as he defeats the colorst attacking deck in the finals. JW, you've been a fan of this dark deck for a long time. You've been talking about it on the cast for months, so we know you're a real one. We know you're legit here on the PODCAST. Tell us about you know last time. Last time you got a full group Games event, you didn't end up going with the dark deck. Talk us through kind of what ended up sealing the deal for Sunday. Absolutely so. The biggest card that dark got that it didn't have before was a draw engine in the form of the lie part. So lie part has a tradability allows you to discard a card and draw two cards. That is so good because in glc there's just so many turns. You know, a game can go five hundred and ten, fifteen oney turns sometimes, yeah, and you can be able to trade every single one of those turns and it's not necessarily that you're drawing cards, which is really good. I mean obviously you want to be able to draw cards, but it's also that you're thinning your deck of the cards that you don't need so much anymore, so things like the bridges and the Gloria's. After you get past you know, the first couple of turns, those cards are very much dead and where other decks struggle to get rid of those cards, dark mouth has a way to just toss them and get an additional benefit of the draw. So that is a big thing why I chose not to go with dark in the first GLC tournament is because the best draw power before brilliant stars came out and the lie pard came out was the crow bat line, and I hated that. It's pretty bad. It was so bad because not only do you only get a singular benefit, like, you have to have it in hand right. So there's no way to to prep for an opponent's end right, Stan's right or an opponent's Marny like. If that thing goes to the bottom of the deck, good luck finding it again. But it doesn't really have that great of an attack either. I know that some people were kind of talking like well, you can do a hundred four for one energy, but like, you already have some really busted attackers that can do pretty much that. So it's not even that good of an attacker. The free your treat doesn't really matter all that much. So the Crow Bat Line, in my opinion, is straight garbage in the dark deck compared to what we now have in the lie part. But yeah, going back to that initial tournament, you know, I went with lightning because it had a better drawing Ngen and it could do a lot of the same things as dark. So dark can take multiple prizes with the Guzz Lord and lightning can take multiple prizes with the Rye Ku. Dark can also attack for one energy and take a knockout on the first turn of the game with the Hoopah, and the lightning deck can also take a knockout on the first turn of the game with...

...these zapto. So they're very parallel archetypes. It's just that dark didn't have a decent drawn Jean. So fast forward to the you know, the the tournament this last weekend. Why did I opt to go with dark? I think on the whole, dark has a lot less, you know, finnicky attackers. So lightning you might need a couple of attachments. You know, you're generally going to have to evolve a little bit more. But dark has a little bit easier time attacking because most of your attackers are basics. And then you also have, you know, a few stage one. So the we vile can hit for two hundred, two hundred fifty damage, depending on what your opponent has on the field. The ZORAR can hit for, you know, upwards of a hundred and sixty damage and is a stage one. And then you got all the busted basic attackers, so the Hoopa, the Guzz Lord and the Galerian Multris, yeah, which are just so, so strong. The other thing I really like about the dark deck is that you have a snsion in both the coughing, she can get out the wheezing for a really strong lock on your opponent's abilities, and then you have a snension on those or arcs, so you can always know that you have kind of an attacker set up for the following term. So a lot of things going for dark I think it parallels the lightning archetype you know, pretty closely, but I think on the whole the attackers in the dark deck are just a little bit better than the ones in the lightning deck. So that's why I have to go for it now. One thing I'm really curious about for the dark deck is it has those really solid single energy attachment attackers. You know, you have your Zarark and your revile and your hoop most prominently, who can really threaten your opponent's board for very little investment. However, I will note that dark and and we VI'Le Especially, there is opportunity for your opponent to play around those attacks. And kind of deny your ability to take those knockouts, and so I've always kind of been afraid of dark having kind of a potential damage problem, so to speak, if they're if your opponent's able to get a fat guy in the active without, you know, over benching or overability benching. Is that something that you felt like you had to consider heading into this tournament? Yeah, absolutely, but there are definitely ways around it. So, for instance, the Galerian wheezing is just always something that I was going in with early. And the poison doesn't really matter whether or not you're a beefy dude or a little guy. Like poison treats the same. Poison treat you the same, but it's you're always, for the most part, going to want to lead with that and then your opponent's like trying to scramble to get other things set up while not using abilities, and so I never really found that opponents were really effectively able to both keep abilities out of play and also to limit their bench like it was kind of it kind of felt like an either or, like your kind of picking your poison really is, like I either knock you out with with the Zorkor I knock you out. That with the weed mile it's it's really just hard to combat. Kind of both of those things going on at the same time. Another thing that I really prioritized with the list is being able to hit for as much damage as possible pretty much at any point. So I included both the muscle band and the and the dark claw, which give your dark pokmon twenty plus attack damage, and then I also had the devoured field, which is not the most popular card in these in these dark type archetypes, but I will say it fixes some very specific math. Yeah, I saw that too. Yeah, yeah, you guys saw that, of course. But anything that has a hundred and thirty health you can and if your opponent only has three bench pokemon, then you can attend a muscle band or a dark law to a Zoro Ark and knock out one and thirty with with the zoo arcs attack, you know, you can also do things with the you can hit up to one hundred and ninety, which is a really important number for metal decks because that is the number of HP that the COP Raja has. So if you get a spear tomb set up with five damage counters after you built a bunch of spie up and then you attach that muscle band or dark law and then you get the stadium and play. Then you can hit for one hundred and ninety. So there's just a lot of math, little math that that that stadium helps fix whatever. Be Worthwhile to include a tertiary damage modifier like a lay on or a Kukuli as well. That's a really good idea. I definitely thought about Kakui, I think, in particular because I want with these glc decks, to be as as Nimble, I guess, as possible.

I don't really know how to how to phrase it any better, but basically, the cards that I try to include in the list for GLC and any lists that I make, I want them to be like as good, you know, in the early game as they are in the lake game, or just be viable, especially in that early game when you're trying to get set up, so be able to draw cards, you know, try to try to do something, you know, even if the rest of your hand is dead, like Oh, I at least have, you know, a draw to write, like I at least can get something, yeah, out and something going. So you know, there could be a reason to play Leon. But again, that's like kind of tough to say. Yeah, I go for it because you're not drawing any cards with that supporter and I really value doing that with with any GLC deck that I play. I would be inclined to agree. I think that even the draw to is a significant upside over the ten damage. One of the things that I find with opponents glc decks, and it happened a lot during the course of the day, is just that they don't draw particularly well. I think a lot of people think that Oh, I can get by with, you know, six or seven draw supporters and and I'll be okay, right, and like I'll figure it out, or or my deck runs okay with just that amount of supporters. But no, there's a lot of good supporters to choose from. You know, I was playing things like copycat, which I know a lot of lists weren't playing, but I just wanted to chalk full my deck with as many supporters that I possibly could to make sure that I always had ways to draw cart you know, Bruno another great card in my list. Like just want to make sure that I always had a draw card when I needed it, and I think that's what kind of separated my list from a lot of the other list that I played that day is just I was looking at some of them afterwards and I think they got really greedy on the amount of draw that they played. Yeah, and it's it's funny because that, like emphasis on draw and consistency is something that we saw in both tournaments, right, because I had also tried to Max out my draw and gears and you had done a s writer strategy in terms of maxing out your supporter line. So clearly, for whatever reason, draws good in the POGUM trading card game. One thing I'm curious you know, coming out of this tournament, was there anything that you would change in this list if you were to run it back or if you know now that the metagame is likely going to shift around some of the decks that did well at this event? You know, the carlists attacking deck will more than likely get much more popular and the dark deck will also likely get more popular. How would you pivot to change or do you think it's not necessary? Yeah, it's good question, so I'll that's kind of two questions. So, like, what would I have changed about the list on the day, and then what would I change going forward? So what would I have changed about the list? Like on the day? I I A hundred percent believe that I had found like the perfect sixty cards for that day. I am always looking for that and I I really, really strongly believe that for that day, for what was in the room, I had the best combination of cards for a GLC deck. That, I don't mean to sound like pompous, but like really just I could not think of a card over the course of the day that I'm like, Oh man, you know, I really needed this other card like that. It was the perfect combination for what I saw that day and I'm really proud of how the deck performed heading forward if the metagame shifts a little bit, because I do expect, like you said, the colorless deck to really rise. That was a deck that surprised me and intrigued me and has a lot going for it. You Got Biveral, you got Sin Chino and you got pidgey to draw. Talk about a draw, and hands are just they lost. Ark's really happy to have the one like yeah, yeah, no, kidding. So you know, it's kind of gluttonous over there being a colorless player, because you just have so much good draw so I was thinking about, well, what could I use to counter colorless just a little bit more, and I was thinking about maybe like a an enhanced hammer would be kind of good. Yeah, that's potentially also good in the water matchup to get rid of their splash energy. It would be good in the mirror to get rid of, you know, twin or double colorless. So I don't know. I was thinking about an enhanced Tammer. It got kind of goes against what I was talking about earlier. We're having. You want to have cards that are as useful and as wide of varieties of situations as possible, but you know, just being able to disrupt that one special energy on one crucial turn might make differences in in win and law, wins and losses absolutely over the course of the day. What was the game that was the most challenging or what was...

...the most or, if not challenging, what was the most interesting experience you had throughout the day? Yeah, that has to go hands down to the the grass deck that I played on stream in round six. I believe I had lost the prior round to trevor. I was for oh I was playing trevor who ended up playing in the finals with this colorless attacking deck and I was like shoot, I really wished I had one that last round because I go five and Oh yeah, I d twice. You make top eight. Now all of a sudden I'm for and one. I had the play around and if I lose this one, I go from for no to four to and out of contention. So I'm really kind of kind of bracing myself for disappointment going into the stream to match and and I really get disappointed when my opponent, Kurt, just blows it out of the water with this setup. He's just going crazy. He's got a Decidu I, which is insane. He's got the FLAPP will, which is like giving him perfect math. A lot of my benched pokemon. It was just like looking horrible there for the entire game and luckily had a few things go my way. Well, so, okay. So it's actually a really interesting thing because, you know, the whole game I had I could have won on the first turn had I gone second. I just do want to say that, like he did not get a ball card on his first turn. He had one POKEMON. I could have knocked them out with HOOPA. It's just like it's so interesting how close these things are. Like he ended up going second and he was able to get things set up, but if I had gone second I would have won, which is it's just like an interesting thing right. And so we ended up playing this really elaborate long game. I had to use we visles sleep flips. Had to get three in a row at one point to extend the game and then he made a I don't I don't necessarily know that it was a wrong decision, but he made a you know, he made the wrong decision. I don't know that that he would have necessarily known not to make that decision, but he had the choice to either knock out a guess Lord or a Galerian Moletrace, and he knocked out the GALERIAN moletrace. At the end of the game. That gave me a route to knock out a low HP pokemon on its bench for two prizes with the guess Lord and then Clara for the Galerian moletrace to do two hundred and seventy to whatever he brought up in the active it was really an intense kind of final few turns of that game and it was all streamed, which is really cool because now I can go back and watch it and maybe rip it and throw it up on my youtube channel and, you know, just kind of always have that, always have that there. But that was by far the most stressful game that I've played in a long time. That sounds stressful. Man. Needing those three sleep flips to be able to come back is is a tall order, oh, for sure, for sure, but that's just how it goes. Sometimes it you know it is and it doesn't work out for you every time, but the times it does, you just you remember those forever, for sure. So looking ahead in GLC, you know now that we see in kind of the impact that brilliant stars has had on the Meta, a sizeable one at that. Do you think dark is still the move for any of these tournaments, or is there another type that is appealing to you at the moment? Dark seems good. I like the HP of the attacking colorless deck. You just have a lot of fat dudes and you have a lot of really good draw so I think against anything not named galery and wheezing, you're going to have a really good time and you might even play like different texts for Glari and wheezing, like you could play like an escape rope, for instance. I don't believe Trevor played an escape rope, but just being able to move the GALERIAN wheezing out of the active would be very beneficial for a deck like attacking colorless. I'm also really intrigued by fire potentially. I think that there's a lot of Nice things with fire in terms of drawing jeans and potential just sniping attackers. And then I've also been thinking you. You kind of mentioned it. The water control deck. Yes, that deck is broken with the floats. I mean I didn't see anyone play it. I don't think anyone did. Anyone did, but that seems like something I would want to look into because of how quick the lock can be. I do think the control x are broken and GLC in general. They're just really, really hard to to execute on consistently. Yeah, in the time limits are I mean it's always going to be a problem. But just like you know, you're struggling against time as well, because not only are you doing a lot of things on your turn and trying to map out things and trying to figure...

...out what's prize, but your opponent is also doing like very similar things right where they like really need to know what's prize and like their turns just take a lot longer as well. Yeah, they control x the time as a huge factor. So and in addition to just like the difficulty of playing them. So, yeah, you have to practice them a heck of a lot. Oh, for sure. Well, I think that. I mean that's just such an impressive victory. The Stream Games that you played, we're so intense and so awesome. If someone is looking to get into GLC, what would your advice be to them as the the GELC champion? Man, it feels good to finally be able to say that I was so close in that first tournament, but we took care of business. So, Um, I would say that if you're looking to get into GLC, I would try to start like very basic. I would say one of the best archetypes that remains relatively basic is water. You're you know, you're just kind of attaching energy. There's not any real spooky things that at least none that come like immediately off the dome. With water, you're just attaching a bunch of energy, hitting with big dudes, like it's very much the beats deck, beatstick deck of the format. You're pretty consistent for the most part. You got the Inali Online, you got you got your actillery, so that's a good one to get started with. I would just say try to keep it simple, so that deck, or trying to think of another like really really basic, you know, good deck maybe like metal would be another one where you're not really doing anything too crazy, but you got big dudes smack them around. So try to take one of those archetypes and really master it and then you can see how they work within the metagame of the other types. There you go, Jev any final words? As the the GELC champion, I think the format's pretty fun. I kind of wish I had been there for standard like I think if I had to choose, I would probably still play in standard events, but GLC certainly rewards experienced players, in my opinion, or at least players that play the deck. You know that they're that they're going for a ton like. I think that is something that cannot be overstated. Is just that with the variety of archetypes and the variety of different ways to build archetypes, the players that practice there, Jim leader type, are on the whole, going to be, you know, doing much better than the ones that, you know, kind of pick it up the week before write, the ones that have kind of a deep knowledge of how these decks play, of their unique comeback plays. I think, you know, there's an experience level with GLC that that I really value in comparison to standard or or even sometimes expanded. Absolutely, I'll JW. I think this weekend we proved all the haters and doubters wrong. I've people have been saying for a long time that hey, this JW and Riley Guy Nothing, nothing about a bag of Baloney. Yep, and we took those haters and really took him to town. We really did. We put ourselves on the map. As, like you know, there are there other podcasts out there, there are other content creators, but just ask yourself, how many of those podcasters, how many of those content creators like actually wind urnaments? There's a reason we are the premier podcasting duo. We say it every episode and it is absolutely true. Can I get three cheers for tective? Why did that? The interview? I lost my freaking mind. Such a good moment for you. Are clearly a you're like clearly feeling yourself that day. I did. Chip gets off the you know, we get off the camera and ship goes. JW's never met a camera you didn't like. Ship is so funny. I love that guy. He's great man. He's great. Well, thank you all for listening. Thank you, jaw, for participating in the cast. If you're looking for the premier podcasting duo and we're great pokemon content, where can you find us? You can find us on twitter at smiles with Ryles, for Riley, at Real John Walter for myself, and the podcast at tag team pokemon. That's right. And if you are listening to this on your favorite podcasting platform, please do leave a rating review. Mentioned in that review how we are all star champions, but really the rate and review does help. It boosts up in that algorithm, helps us get discovered. That's how we find awesome deals like we do with manscaped. So we appreciate all your listenership and your continue support at the cast. We do record this live every...

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