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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 4, Episode 32 · 4 months ago

4-32. The Gym Leader (ft. Andrew Mahone)

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

JW is out on... family business, but Riley and Andrew are here to save the day! Come hear about how to hone your skills as a player and dive deep into the origin story of GLC. Get ready, because it's about to get tricky!

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It folks Riley here recording from my hotel room as we launch a new project that I'm finally completing. Really excited for that, but unfortunately I do not have my equipment handy. So if anything sounds a little bit of miss that's the reason why we also will not be joined by JW Today as he is supporting his newest family member, Harper Joe, nctually since to JW and and on their beautiful baby girl. Don't worry, we have a friend of the cast to will join us today and provide all sorts of insightful content. Tag Team is sponsored by manscaped. Be Sure to use code tag team at checkout with manscaped at Manscapecom for twenty percent off and free shipping. MANSCAPED has been an excellent partner in the podcast and I know for sure that JW would not be as successful as he is as a family man if it wasn't for his well groomed features with his manscaped products. So again, that's tag team at checkout at Manscapecom for twenty percent off and free shipping. We enjoy and appreciate all of their products and their support for the PODCAST. That's all for me. So tuned in to our special guests for the day. Thanks. Yo. What is up, guys? Welcome back to tag team Pokemon, Trading Card Games from me, your podcasting Doo. My name is Riley Hobart, joined by a new face today, a friend of the AASKED and longtime friend of both JW and myself, competitive pokemon player and leader of the Tricky Gym, Andrew Mahone. Andrew, I was going, yeah, Yo, what's up guys? How you doing, Riley? Thank you so much for having me on. Oh, it's always a pleasure. Man. How you doing? I'm doing good. Dressed, really stressed. I've been just traveling around a lot the last couple of weekends between Salt Lake City and then blue out for another projects that I'm working on the following weekend, and I feel like I'm just kind of getting my bearings back now. Yeah, travel a lot for your job, but I'm not, you know, I'm not very used to it, so they can quite a toll on me. I mean honestly, like I definitely travel a fair amount for work, but it wears on you, ma'am, like you get a couple weeks in a row or a couple weekends in a row and you just see start to get almost homesick and you just want to rest. Yeah, and I think there's the added level of kind of whiplash from, you know, two years of the pandemic, yes, not doing anything, and then all of a sudden it's like, Oh, events are back, okay, and I'm doing these projects all over the place all right, and I'm seeing lots of people again. So it's it's definitely taking a little getting used to. It's exciting. I'm really like thrilled to be back doing stuff, but yeah, my goodness. And then, you know, the whole live situation is also weighing on our for sure. X, I watched and listen to your guys cast where you talked about it. You guys have kind of how we've covered everything that there is to cover about it, but it's also just like another added layer of stress to the to the whole deal. Yeah, I mean absolutely. The kind of element that we haven't hit on as much is how directly it hits home with some of these content creators. You know, we talked about you as kind of leading that crusade, but certainly not without do cause. Right, like this is literally the source of your content is primarily the online client that we have available to us. Yeah, I mean it's I've likened it to, you know, my car that I drive to work, and it's like if my car doesn't work, then I can't drive to work. Like it feels like that. Yeah, and also, you know, it kind of it feels tough because it's this thing that I'm inevitably going to end up promoting, right, and I have absolutely no control over it. And it's like I'm a pretty easygoing and easy to please guy. I'm like the person who can go to a very, very mid movie and like be laughing my butt off. That's definitely true. Like that's why I'm saying, like it doesn't take much to like appease me, which is why I was so okay with migrating my account over to live, because I was like yeah, I mean I put up with ptcg Oh for a decade, like you know, what's what's the worst ticket that could happen? Right? But I mean I was not prepared in the slightest for for the situation that was going to be at hand, and I think none of us were. We were all trying to be optimistic and excited and and like, you know, looking, you know,...

...on the bright side with it and it's just been kind of a yeah, it's been a tough pill to swallow as someone who loves this game. So it's a you know, it's something that we're all kind of learning to work through. I said my bit in that video a couple weeks ago and, you know, will continue to kind of at least let my opinion be heard on the issue, but I also want to try and be as positive as I can. So I'm like really trying to figure out, like how do I be positive and continue to be a positive voice while also, I think, letting my valid concerns about the future of the game and this client be heard? It's a tough, you know, bouncing act, but that's also something I'm trying to figure out. Yeah, man, I mean it sounds like stressful times and, you know, not to put a damner on it, but we have more travel ahead of us for sure. Yeah, yes, yeah, it's going to be a roller coaster next you know, a couple of months for me, but I'm like strapped in and ready to go. He got to be at that point. So for the unaware listeners, both Andrew and myself will be flying out actually this coming week, so not this weekend, but the wee can following will be flying out to Germany or the European National Championship. We both managed to snag our slots in the first wave, so didn't even need to get in that second batch and we're super excited to go out and play, you know, alongside the Plethora of regionals to come as well. So yeah, it's gonna be awesome. Man, I've ever been to Europe before. I'm like geeked it. Neither of I, man, I literally the the only time I've been outside the country, not counting Canada, is when I went to the Latin America in National Championship in Brazil, and that was so, so fun. So I'm really excited to go to Europe for another international championship. We're gonna have a lot of time. I was so jealous that you went to that. I mean even just hearing your stories and you're telling of your experience from that event years ago was memorable for me, even just like listening to its second hand from you. Yeah, it was seriously so fun. I know now that I'm an adult, adult money and I've been at my job long enough to have a reasonable amounts of PTEO. I kind of want to do like more regular international championship stints. You know, maybe not all of them, like not top sixteen grinder territory, but I would love to do like one a year or something like that, just to just to have those experiences. You know, I agree, man. I mean that's to me, this is what it's all about, is experiencing new things, traveling, getting to link up with friends and and kind of make those memorable connections. I'm in. What other context do you have opportunities to do something like that? So I think that. I think it's a wonderful thing to travel and to get to experience different parts of the world through the Lens of the Pokemon Trading Card game and something I'm definitely looking forward to doing more of in the future as well. Yeah, absolutely. You know, it makes me always think because when I was a kid, especially like in the middle and high school years, I was so ashamed of the pact that I that I liked pokemon. You know, it was just not cool at that period of time, but now I'm so proud to tell people like yeah, I'm going to Europe to play in international championship. I'm going to London to play in the world championship, Blah, blah, Blah Blah, and people are so like wow and they're so impressed and they're almost like, in a way I can sense, like jealousy themselves because they have this cool structured thing that I can do that brings me all sorts of interesting places. Definitely I had similar experiences, you know, earlier on in my teenage years, just not quite sure, if you know, my identity and just trying to figure out how to express myself. And as I got more comfortable with all of that, you know, and and more confident in myself. And you know, now as an adult, it's just such a cool thing to be a part of, especially with the whole kind of re emergence of pokemon throughout the last decade and, Oh yeah, popular culture, right. It's been really cool to be like yeah, I've I've been a part of that, you know, like the whole the whole time. Yeah, you know. I mean you guys are, you know, busting out your binders from when you were ten and, you know, try and talk about pokemon again. Let me tell you about pokemon. Right. Yeah, you know, I know how to play those cards actually. Yeah, it's been cool to see POKEMON's staying power in popular culture and to just kind of ride that way throughout the last ten years. Been Really Neat absolutely. So that all said, you know, we're going to the European National Championship and we've talked a lot on the cast before about you and your journey and content creation and how you kind of became the person in the creator that...

...you are today. But I think it an underspoken element of that story is you are an accomplished player as well in Av you know that you're one of those kinds of players. You know, in my opinion. You know, and hopefully it don't flet your ego too much by saying this, because I'm the one not to do with that consequence, but you are the kind of player, like one of those greats, in my opinion, one of the people that you can go to a tournament and expect to see in contention for top e of a tournament, and that's a big deal in my opinion. Like, sometimes I don't feel like I'm quite there yet and I want to be and I try really hard to continue to elevate my game. So I'm curious to talk more about kind of like your experiences as a player and how you've like learned and grown in that space as well. You know, as we approach the European National Championship, as we approach Indie and New Jersey and all these regionals and special events that are coming up in the in the coming months, I think one thing that's on a lot of people's minds is, you know, how do I deal with these tournaments, like how do I prepare? There's been a constant barrage of online tournaments right and you know, you almost can enter them and play in them without thought. But a lot of pokemon is, you know, the metagaming and the deck building and and the practicing and getting in tournaments and playing well in those. So I'm curious, just at a base level, like what are some of the skills that you found in your journey to be the most important ones to hone and focus on as you get ready for these tournaments? Yeah, tournament prep. I mean I love I love this part of playing pokemon cards, the whole like going to an event, the performative aspect of it. That, to me is kind of the crux of what it's all about. Like, I mean, obviously everything that goes into a tournament. I mean it's just so fascinating. The preparation, the testing, the actual having to be in your seat and playing, you know, with a level head during your match within a time limit. All of that, you know, Makes Competitive Pokemon just really fun and really interesting to me and something I've been doing now for like and years. But in a lot of ways it is very thim Millar to other forms of competition, right. I mean I was editive runner for the first half of my life and going to a tournament feels like going to attract me or anything else, right. And so a lot of the stuff that you would do to prepare, you know, as an athlete, you would also do to prepare as a POKEMON card player. Just practice, right, and that's something that you learn from, you know, being an athlete, definitely, because you practice how you play and if you don't practice, you're you're going to be more likely to make mistakes or right the event not go as plans. So practice is definitely key and I think that you'll find that the players that do the most amount of practice, and not just any practice, like good, good practice, like good, you know practice with like a concerted effort towards certain goals. Right, what do you try to figure out while you're practicing? I think that that's something that our group's been doing really well in the last couple of weeks, but not something that we had done at all for two years during the pandemic. Yeah, because we just weren't motivated, right. I mean it was just like I don't think that anyone in our group got motivated by online events or anything like that. So we just didn't really get in the lab and we didn't really do a lot of testing or practicing for those two years. So we're kind of we're getting back into it. I mean it really feels like now it's like it feels like I haven't been to practice in a couple of years, but I'm like ready to, but I'm like geared up and ready to go. I think the first event back Salt Lake City was like definitely a wake up call that playing and practicing are two different things, right, because I hop on stream and I play every day, but that doesn't mean that I'm like practicing, getting in good practice for an event. Right. Yeah, I'm not. Necessarily dialed into the nitty gritty, you know, of the metagame or like what fifty eight, fifty nine card could be the difference maker in matchup, you know, x, Y or Z. That is like good tournament practice when you're getting together with somebody who skill level, you trust and you both are,...

...you know, picking apart each other's plays and asking questions and talking about different lines and trying to really decipher how a matchup plays out. That's that's like good tournament practice, right, but just like grinding games on the ladder isn't necessarily, you know, good tournament practice. So that was a kind of wake up call for me that if I want to if I want to pick up where I left off in two thousand and twenty, I'm going to have to start practicing again and taking the Meta seriously. Though. That's something that I feel like we've been doing really well in the last couple weeks, just having like good intentional testing sessions regularly. Yeah, I mean like multiple times a week, like yeah, like like, if not like every day, every other night, like, because that's how you get good at something, right. Yeah, I mean I can definitely agree with that sentiment. I mean my best regional and world performances were from. We're on the backs of rather extensive amounts of practice. You know, I always, I always called back to the Dallas Regional Championship my dub where I played hundreds and hundreds of games of the ARARC deck prior to Dallas, including in her you did, and it my time knowing you, that was like easily the most you had ever I've ever seen you practice with a deck or, you know, really tweek a deck. That was really reaffirming to see you do well with it after words. So I totally agree with that mentality that, like getting in the reps and getting it really solid, nitpicky performances, is what leads to your actual tournament showings having that kind of elevated level of success. I'm curious if there is ever, in your opinion, like an inflection point. was there ever a point in your career as a player where you felt like you have like that shift and you had che and you swapped over from like really being effective and and prepping well to like from maybe not not doing that as well or not seeing the success that you would hope for? was there ever, was there an event or a moment in your career as a player that you finally felt that click. It's actually like this is really interesting, like kind of my arc as as a competitive player and how I've developed as a player, because it it's not. No, it's not so much as like I realize that I had to practice to get good at something, because that's actually that's actually the one good thing I always did do, because, coming from a sports background, I knew that it would require practice to get good. And that is just from from the beginning, like my obsession with the game and and my amount of effort and practice I put in had always been there. So for me specifically, it was more about learning how to play a tabletop game at a competitive level and learning how to Meta game events. So, you know, when I started, I was definitely quite bad, for you know, for a couple of years I just dove in and started consuming as much pokemon trading card game content as possible. And you know, with starting in two thousand and eleven. So it was two thousand and eleven, two thousand and twelve. So it's like city championships, noble victories had just come out and you know, I'm playing bad electric decks, things like that because I'm just learning how to play. But something that I did early on was that I would, and I see a lot of players do this, and a lot of players do this and see success, is that you gravitate towards one deck right and you just learn how to play that deck really, really, really well and you're not at a gaming events. You're not like, Oh, what am I going to play for this because it's that one deck. You know what you're playing. Yeah, like, yeah, it's just whether or not you're going to tech a certain card or two, but you already know, like you're that kind of player. You're playing that specific deck. You know, for my first you're to play in the POKEMON trading card game, it was electric decks. I was in love with electric decks and then blast toys came out and I became infatuated with rain dance decks, you know, deluge blast toys. I felt like that was the only way I could play the game was if I was deluging energy into play. Arguably, we're infatuated with the lose blast Lois until very recently. Yes, some of these infatuations take longer to kick than others. So yeah, so deluge blast toys, which then turned into like blast toys. You know, is in a tough spot when Jeno SEC verizy in genes sec came out. So then I was like, oh no, what'll I do? I'll...

...play a different color rain dance. I started playing m Bor right, like effectively, effectively the same deck, but read. Yeah, so I I very much kind of like got myself into a lane as a player and would stay in that lane. And that actually that's how I got my first success in the POKEMON TCG. I would grind out games with electric, like Ed Nauseum, and there was never a question as to whether or not I was going to play any other deck. It was always electric when I first started, and that got me my first Ya Championship win, which was, like, you know, an insane feeling when you're new. Right. And then finally I decided I could move on to blast toys. I really fell in love with blast toys. That got me my first regional top eight, and so I was like, Oh, this is incredible. Okay, I can keep this, I can keep this going. To keep this going. Right. Then I switched to Ray bore, like the very much the same deck and was able to get hop forward regional championship and I was like, Oh yeah, I'm never quitting the race strategy. This is just this is what I'm all about. I love this right. And then, you know, ray bore rotates out. I don't really know where I'm going from here, but there's a new kind of dynamotor in the in the game, form of the form of metal links, Brownd bronze on right, though, I start kind of gravitating towards something I'm comfortable with, the bronze on metal links. It charges energy from the discard pile. I'm like, all right, this is in my wheelhouse, right. I wheelhouse just being only things that accelerate energy into place. Yeah, and this is my very narrow lane. And keep in my I like I've been playing for four years, three years at this point, so like three years of like for three to four years of like only playing energy acceleration decks. I tried playing ability lock decks like Garbodor, unsuccessfully, you know. Yeah, grindeer, more methodical strategies. I just was completely incapable of navigating and had not invested any time into understanding how to do so right, which is something that I think like a lot of a lot of new players will kind of identify with. That's definitely something that happens. You just get the strategies you're comfortable with and you kind of stay in those lanes and you'll see success with those strategies. So, like, you know, though, why, why change? But so electric or electric was gone, last voice was gone, Ray boar was gone. So I had to in the two thousand and fourteen, two thousand and fifteen season, I had to come up with something new. So I started trying to play this metal deck and I played it for, you know, most of the city championship season through the winter, and it was going extremely poorly. I mean it just wasn't a very good deck, but I just like desperately did not want to have to learn anything new. So this is like this was the point where I feel like everything clicked for me as a player and I needed to like and I needed to figure out how to actually play the game right. So like three to four years in, I had to actually just give up the strategies that I was comfortable with and learn something new and diversify my abilities as a player, which was scary for me because I was not confident in other ways to play the game right. Yeah, so this is when, you know, the whole Landers Crobat deck came into existence. It was just a deck that I had created myself and started playing all some success with it, and then with this deck I ended up taking it to the regional championship and ended up winning so in in St Louis in two thousand and fifteen. So that was like my Aha moment that like, okay, I don't actually have to be afraid of trying new strategies, like I'm a skilled enough player to be able to learn something new and navigate it. And then, you know, I'd mentioned before the garbodor strategies had been something that I was not confident navigating in years past, but then in two thousand and sixteen I was fed up with trying to figure out how to be veltal garbodor at the regional during regional championships, and I just decided to end up playing it and took it to a second place finish in at the Fort Wayne Regional Championships in two thousand and sixteen. So, you know, another you know, success with a deck that I wasn't necessarily the most confident with leading up to the event that was like a night before decision, but it ended up buffing out. So I think like in those years two thousand fifteen, two thousand and sixteen, I learned how to kind of broaden my horizons as a competitive player and consider strategies that maybe I wasn't the most comfortable with and rely on,...

...like my testing and my practice and my abilities as a player be able to navigate acts confidently when it came to game time. So that is kind of been like the narrative of my growth and a stepping out of my comfort zone and learning how to pilot new strategies. It's made me a more effective tournament player because I mean up to the night before a tournament, I can confidently now different strategies in and I feel like I could be successful with them. Now I'm curious for maybe your thoughts, for perspective, because I think this is something a lot of people go through. Is the pigeon hole themselves on the deck that they feel the most comfortable with or that they enjoy the strategy of the most. I'm guilty of this too. I gravitated towards the ARC decks for quite a long time, even when they weren't always the best choice for a tournament. Do you think that, you know, taking that shift away from the energy acceleration decks into more broad strategies? was that like a natural step because you've already grown as a player by getting so many reps in with those decks that you are familiar with? Or is that something that maybe you needed to go through some growing pains and that maybe you should have taken that step sooner instead of having that tough wake up call with Bronzeong? It definitely felt like it. It was like a it needs to get worse before it gets better situation. Is kind of what it felt like. And the bronze on, you know, situation during cities was the IT got worse first. You know, I'm coming off a year where I got ninth place at world's One, my first regional championship. You know, it was like the best year I'd ever add. And then in cities it's just consistently me just getting destroyed every every city tapiership, with a a strategy that just like wasn't clicking with me. It just wasn't good. It wasn't good. I mean the Bronzeg deck just like it just objectively was not good. Yeah, I can't even think of a metal part. Around that time it was like DIALGA X and ages eat. Yeah, yeah, I'll Dou was like it was like that deck. Yeah, like I said, it was. It was not very good, but like that was that was me realizing that, like you know, things had to kind of change. So their work growing pains. It kind of reminds me this analogy I think of in my mind what I'm trying to express the situation. It's like when you you know how Tiger Woods had to relearn his golf swing or something like that, right, it's just like, you know, in order for you to get better as a golfer, you may or a baseball player, you might have to be learned some technical aspects of your swing, right, but then once you do get that swing down, you're going to be a more effective either Golfer, baseball player, whatever, in the long run. It feels like that. It was like I needed to relearn my swing and once I did, I feel like I became a better competitor in the long run, and I think there's a lot to be said like, even if you end up taking those same decks that you were comfortable with, the like really solid experiences with those other decks in the format. Just broad into your perspective as far as you know what's possible, what these decks are capable of, you know what they hate to play against. For example, something I often reference and I talked about terms like Oh yeah, you know, I didn't play this stack, but I sure played a lot of it leading up to the tournament and I know I hate it what my opponent does this. So I did that every time I played against it, exactly. And you know, and I was definitely guilty. It's like I've regressed into this line of thinking. You know, as player, I'm not perfect. Right. I would be lying if I didn't, you know, admit that I was definitely turned off by Zorch Gx DEX and just like give them the time. I didn't give myself time in the effort to really get good at navigating the Zoric Gx DEX. I fell into a comfort zone with buzz will during those years and kind of just let that go right. I mean I just kind of was like, okay, I'll just I'll just kind of ride on the tails of buzz will for this time, right, instead of really you know, and I wonder what maybe I could have done if I had also invested myself into learning ZORC. But you know, the season moves fast. Events keep coming. I was going through some very busy years those years, so it's easy for me to look back and understand how that occurred. Yeah, no, kidding, absolutely, Jeez, fun to think back on. But you know, buzzle did treat you. She did treat you pretty well, I think, in the grand scheme of things, it's a good deck and it's a good deck. Yeah, early a doctor to looking at it now, it's like now I...

...can look at the Zoric ears again be like, I didn't give Zoric the time. And then you like, you get into this thing, you get into this head space as a player where you feel like, I can't pick up that deck now because I haven't been playing it as long as the other players who have already been playing it longer than me, and I think that that's like a lie that we tell ourselves, and or at least that I tell myself, and I'm making a concerted effort not to get into that head space with the current format. I don't love UV Max, but I'm getting my reps in with UV Max Right now. Yeah, I want to learn to play uv Max as good as possible. I don't love the Malamar deck, but I respect it and I want to get as many reps in with the Malamar deck as I can so that I know exactly what I'm up against, kind of like what you were saying now. I feel that. I feel that a hundred percent and you know, it's always good to have those things in the back pocket to you know, you you don't want to be the night for a tournament realize ohm You v Max is like definitely the play and not have any idea what that looks like on the table. All right, especially for like an under appreciated the challenging deck to play. Like me, have you ever gone to an event the deck and you get into like round one or two and you just realize how under prepared you are to pilot that deck? Not often with like super big events, but I definitely felt that pretty bad with a especially like two thousand and eighteen, two thousand and nineteen, I phoned it in pretty hard for like all might leak cups and I would often be like yeah, this deck either just like isn't very good or this is a really bad call or I don't even know what I'm doing with this. I just saw it to wild original and I like cooked up nightfore and I feel like an idiot now. Yes, many times I've had that experience. I've been there. It does it's not pretty, it's not great. It'll happen a lot of times when there's like a group deck, you know, yeah, and your whole group decides that this is the play and maybe, like maybe, you know, you were the one who maybe had the least about a reps with that. Yeah, but the group think is really pushing towards that deck. So, yeah, that's happened to me. I have like one situation. Rap Played Turbo dark at a at a expanded regional championship, and it just, you know, I was just not dialed into that deck at all. was that Gosh, is that four Wayne? The last four Wayne? It was Fort Wayne. Like yeah, forever go, though. I mean it was a while ago, want to say like two thousand and seventeen or two thousand and sixteen or something. Yeah, yeah, I totally know the turnery talking about. Well, you know, it live and let learn. I think I think the takeaway has to be just getting tons of reps in getting your experience under your belt and not like pigeonholing yourself. I suppose you could say. As a player, you know there are times where the best choice is the one you're most comfortable with, but you also have to mince sometimes that's not the best choice right and know what the best choice is to succeed is a player, definitely, and you know what you can if you're new and you're still learning a deck. I mean take some solace to the fact that you can see success by just, you know, kind of staying in your lane with your deck. You can see some success that way. And I mean I saw that at the last it's at Lake City Regional Championships, one of the undefeated players from I guess they were like six hund seven hundred, and I talked to them. I forget what I forget what the record was. It was their first regional and they were playing archies drawled on and they were so amped about it because this is just the deck. They've been like loving and playing this since draw it on was release. They like drawd arms released of all these guys and they were like I love this card, I'm playing this card and there was never any question as to whether or not they were playing to rawl down for Salt Lake City was always going to be durral Don, like do or die, and you know, they ended up making day too at their first regional championship. So, you know, I think that there's definitely something to be said for, you know, for staying in your comfort zone. That's also a strategy when going to a tournament and sometimes that just is the the best thing to do. But there's also something to be said for, you know, kind of expanding your Palette, expanding your your range as a player so that you can be a more a tougher editor when it comes to events. People can't just say like, Oh, they're going to play that deck because you...

...could you have any deck at your disposal. Yeah, I think it's kind of like the short versus long term success mentality, almost like when your deck is at his peak, when your comfort deck is at his peak, like, yeah, you might see a high amount of even of a short term success, but what will as translate to any year, two years, three years, as like, the strategies change and and your deck rotates and all these things, you know, to all the scents, all the scenti scores welder players. You know where? Yeah, I was going to say it, but I was actually thinking about that the other day, you know, course, and he scorch. Yeah, and just like people who got really into a comfort zone with welder right, like that's kind of like a recent that's a recent example of this phenomenon. Right. If you, during that time, had kind of only pigeons, your like pigeon hold yourself into welder decks, right, then, you know, where did you have to pivot to when welder rotated? There's not really a comparable strategy. So you were definitely going to have to kind of, you know its forcibly, like expand your horizons. That is so true. Yeah, well, there was a was a a League of its own, you know, in terms of it's a unique strategy that was pervasive along so many different acts. I think that this actually the great transition into our card of the day. Let's get it today's card of the day. I asked Riley if I could do a card that was just released in Japan. Riley told me there ain't no rulies when you're doing art of the day. We are going to be talking about Guardenya's vitality you supporter card that is going to be released in our upcoming astral radiance set. Gardinia's vitality is a supporter card that allows you to draw two cards and then may attach up to two grass energy from your hand to one of your benched pokemon. Though, this supporter card is already kind of getting comparisons to welder, which was another supporter card that allowed you to draw cards and accelerate energy from your hand to your pokemon. Obviously there are some differences, but there are some similarities. Riley, what are your thoughts, initial thoughts, on Cardinia's vitality? I I'm intrigued by it, to say the least. I think it has some notable benefits overwelder, namely that you're not reliant on the energy being in your hand to start with. You know, how many times have you seen a welder player, or been a welder player who is had a welder with no energy outs in your hand and just dead drawn and lost? You know that happens. It has notable downsize, though, and mainly it needs to have a bench pokemon. It needs to draw two cards, or rather it does draw two cards instead of drawing the three cards, and it is as grass type, which is an unfortunate type to be as compared to fire type during welder's reign of terror. So you're a hater. I'm a grass type pater for sure, an original deciduax over what happened. You don't believe. I think you know. decidual I was maybe one of the last great titans of the grass type, if we're being real, like you know, you have really beyond now and much of a Booloo Fan? I can't say I was. I've played Bolo at one League Cup ever and it was one of the worst feeling tournaments my entire life. Yeah, I can't say that I ever played vehicle Appu, boo, boo. No, I definitely was not a believer in that deck either. But you know, okay, the new dark R v Star that's going to be coming out is weak to grass. That's true. Also, fire type POKEMON are pretty much nonexistent right now. I mean yeah, fire has just not really made an impact, even with the magma basins stadium and just we're just in a ridiculously powerful card. It's one of the best stadiums ever printed. Honestly, like I think it's the most powerful effecting arsene on the stadium. It's it's wild. I mean it's in a League of its own because there are no other stadiums that accelerate energy. It's incredibly good, but I think that's just a testament to how lackluster the fire attackers are right now. They're very typical fire attackers. I mean tars are just takes a ton of energy and does a lot of damage, right, and then, I don't know, Victini...

...emacs is like very fine, but yeah, format, in a format where every other deck is playing in Tellian, you know, fire type, pokemon or just in a tough spot, though. That being said, would be rasses. Time to shine. Who you pairing Guardinia with? Well, I think that that's the that's the big question. You could pair Guardinia with anything. I think that shame and V star. It's a card, and a car just like has to be good, right. It seems okay. Yeah, it seems like a good card. That car just has to be at least okay. And I mean honestly, Guardinia is like, is it better than Melanie in archaeus decks or actually, Hloni? Is Melanie just better, because you could if it archais decks to start incorporating grass energy and Gardenia instead of Melanie the bench. Things a little tough, because sometimes you just open archais and then you need to be able to attack with it, turn to right. I get that, but Melanie or not Melanie, Guardini's vitality does have some cool synergy, though, because after you use Sharon's care to pick up an Archaius, you'll have these grass energy in your hand and then you could just lay him back down. That's true. Yeah, I do have unfortunate news for you regarding Guardinia's vitality, though. What it unfortunately does not synderdize super well with BEDRO. Why is that? Well, I mean you got a single strike mustard right. To get the Beedro out and Beauti takes one energy, so supportering to get it seems like a waste of time. Yeah, yeah, no, it doesn't. I thought you were going to tell me that I translated Guardidia's vitality wrong and that it, like you know, could only go to grass Pokmon, in which case I was going to say, all right, pack it up, let's stop talking about this card. But just they won't fit super well with your favorite grass Pokemon, and that's fine, be drill is hardly a grass pokemon. Honestly, be drills just like its own entity. I don't even you know, you don't have to play be drill in a grass deck, whatever deck you wants. True, in fact, I think that the best grass deck what probably leafy on v Max. And okay, I'll give it to you if you on v Max is not in the strongest butt right now and it is the best grass deck. But yeah, leafy on v Max, you know, can't really easily accommodate be drill, despite the fact that they're both grass pokemons. It's true. And there's a there is the new Suian Lilligan, right is getting a v Star. Yes, yes, got a v Star power that allows you to search out some absurd amount of grass pokmon and grass energy from your deck and put them into your hand. Obviously pairs with Guardinya. I'm just not sure that the littligant really does enough, you know, or anything special like. Yeah, I think that, as far as v Star cards go, you're going to have to ask yourself, why am I not just playing arcis right, that's like the one right. Why am I not just using archias with whatever strategy, right. So, yeah, my initial thoughts are that Arcius is just going to be the best partner with Guardinia, because Arcius is just the best be star. That's it. It's not a bad spot to be in for Arkius, definitely not. But I think that's Guardiani's vitality is just going to be one of those cards that is going to be solid. I'm I'm thinking that maybe pokemon kind of learned its lesson from the extremely overpowered welder that existed in standard. I mean, I don't out it was. It was insane, right. I mean every deck was lying weldery, but welder in anything. And you know, welder, giant hearth, you got a deck on your hands, that's true, but you know, and then they printed melanie. Melanie is like strictly worse than welder, right, yeah, but still sees play. And now Guardinia's vitality is like strictly a little, you know, harder to play than welder, but I think it'll still see play. This has been an interesting design I think design choices that we've seen from the game designers over the course of the last couple of years. As the POKEMON have gotten stronger and stronger, the trainers have continued to get a little bit less powerful. I was going to say the same thing. Yeah, pokmon getting bigger, but the chainers are getting smaller. Yep. So I think the CARDINI's vitality will be useful. It certainly going to see see lay and is just going to be one of those supporters that you...

...have to, you know, kind of consider when new cards come out. You know, are they compatible with Gardini's vitality? Is this a energy accelerating option we could use for this particular deck? And you know, when you talk about considering very specific supporters and niche strategy's, there's one thing I think of in particular, especially coming from you, and that is the gym leader challenge. Oh, so I transition. It's think it's a good segue into our our last topic for today, because I wanted to talk about the gym leader challenge. We mentioned it on the cast before. For the unfamiliar, the Gym Leader Challenge is a is a fake format, so to speak. It's a custom format created by Andrew Mahone and the idea, the concept, is that you are a gym leader and that you are, as a gym leader, using a single type of Pokemon, you know. So you are playing your electric types or you're playing your metal types. No differentiation from that one type and you get to play one of any individual car that isn't a basic energy. So you can play one research, one boss's orders, one vs seeker. It's also expanded. No rulebox. Pokemon allowed. Six prize game every time, as long as you get six Pokemon on the board, and it's a ton of fun. Andrew, I don't think she'll see needs an in depth introduction, but one thing I'm curious about is kind of the origin story, you know, like what inspired you? I you know, I think back to even years and years ago and we thought like fake formats are almost kind of silly, like custom formats were just not worth the time. What shifted your perspective? Yeah, that's a that is interesting to think about. I mean really, I've been working on my own kind of custom formats for years. When I kind of really think about it, because I've been creating cubes and you know, you've been like, Oh, yeah, you've been it into you know, an important part of my cue creations. Know, you are one of the testers, so you know and I always solicit you know your guy's opinions and things like that, and we've had lengthy conversations about balancing and are design and all that different kind of stuff. Though, building a cube is building basically a limited format that you draft decks, you know from this, your rated collection of cards, and you play, you play games out of the decks that you draft, right. So I've been working on these kinds of limited formats for years now and I've created a couple of cubes I've created to player drafting experience, you know. So game design is something that I've been thinking about a lot, especially as I get into content creation and, you know, I start thinking about the pokemon trading card game on a deeper level. I am always thinking about game design, how the cards interact with one another and, you know, what might be the most fun ways to play, because a lot of times when I go to play pokemon cards with my friends, I'm not playing standard format. Yeah, because standard format, that's thes what, that's the Sweaty, you know, driving for regionals format. Sometimes they're just trying to kick back and have a little fun, right yeah, not always trying to play a best of, you know, best of eleven uv Max Mirror. Sometimes you are. Sometimes you are, which you know, earlier we were talking about practice. That's important, right, to get those you know best of a lens in. But but sometimes you just want to kick back, maybe, you know, have a couple of drinks with some buddies and play some pokemon cards and like a different kind of a different kind of setting. And that's where I really love limited formats, because when you're playing a limited format you're not so much or you know, a format that changes or just a different format. You're taking your skills as a pokemon player, all the different things you know about equin saying, all the different things you know about deck building and your knowledge of the cards that exist in the POKEMON trading card game, and you're putting them in a new context, which is very fun. It is very fun to experience Oakmon cards and the strategy of the POKEMON trading card game in a different and challenging context. So I felt like over the course of the last couple of years, expanded format has really kind of just been neglected and...

...died off. Yeah, it's it was a thing that it was cool for a little while. I felt like expanded kind of hit its stride during like twenty, sixteen, two thousand and seventeen degree. Yeah, and those were like the coolest years for expanded you know, two thousand and eighteen things started to get a little degenerate. Two Thousand and nineteen things got a really degenerate. Two Thousand and twenty things were getting way to degenerate, you know, right before the pandemic hit. The last you know, pre pandemic regional championship was Collinsville, and you remember that top eight. Like my deck was. My deck was the only deck that was like attacking, attacking without the explicit purpose for walking your fun out of the game. Yes, yes, attack, right, right, right, yeah, okay, so the only nonlock attacking deck, though. Yeah, things have gotten pretty degenerate by that point. And I think now, with pokemon saying that there will be, you know, no expanded events for the remainder of the two thousand and twenty two season and with just the the card design lately, I think expanded is just a it's a done it's a completed format. I think it went through its thing, but it was a format that was never intended by the game designers to exist. I don't think so. In fact, that, like we said, you know, the trainers over the course of the last, you know, ten years or so have been getting basically less powerful, but the POKEMON have been getting more powerful. So expanded. Basically now is just the most broken new pokemon with the most broken old trainers, and it's it's just extremely silly, right so, I mean there are less ways, you know, well expanded, basically dying off. You know, we're in the middle of a pandemic in July of two thousand and twenty one, and I am growing increasently impatient with the archies dial Gat and Palkya, gx, ritten or Matt. That's we are existing in right. It just was. It was becoming less and less fun for me and without having like any serious events to pare for, I just really couldn't get myself motivated to play. But, being a content creator and someone who is, you know, interested in game design, I thought to myself on a whim, you know, what would it be like if we played this format that was singleton? We can only play one of each pokemon or card in your deck, except for basic energy. You cut out all the overpowered, you know, Gimmicky gx Pokemon, ex pokemon, you know emax has all that stuff, all the different kind of mechanics that the POKEMON company tries to push on you every couple sets. Right, we're like we got this new, most powerful thing and it's today. Right. So you take out like all the marketing Pokemon, basically. Yeah, right, you remove all of those silly marketing pokemon from the game completely. Are So no, no rule box Pokemon, and then you have to limit it a little bit more. Right. So what if you had to only play one type of Pokemon in your deck? And I was inspired by when I was casting the the Players Cup, right, and I was casting the Players Cup. They had, yeah, they had. Well, they had be in Jeremy commentate over two of the other casters who had to play monotype decks. Yeah, I totally remember that now. Yeah, so, like this was happening like all the same time. So now I and Jeremy commentated over I think it was like chip and Ethan playing or something, playing basically a psychic type deck, mirror right, where it's like they had the expanded card pool and they had to make decks only with one type of Pokemon in it, and they both chose Psychic and they both played dragon poll garbodor and it was like okay, that that was just stilly, right. Yeah, that wasn't even that wasn't even a challenge. It was just like, you know, at the decks just ended up being not very interesting. Right. So I was like okay, you know, maybe there's something to be said here, though. What what does actually happen when you maybe make a couple more limitations? Does the format get more interesting or is it just a silly, broken format? So I basically, you know, the format started with a question. What happens when you do that? Obviously it's also inspired by magic, the gatherings commander format. You know, having played some magic the gathering myself, you know I think the magic is is fun and...

I think that the limitations on magic make it more fun than then like standard or anything like that. I really like drafting, you know, I really like a limited format in magic that draft, sealed, all that stuff. That, to me, is the most fun way to play magic. I think a lot of players would agree with that. So I wanted to bring some of that limited I wanted to basically bring the limited gameplay experience from other games like magic into pokemon. But drafting pokemon is not realistic or feasible. You can really just because of the way the game is designed. Right. Apparently, yeah, inherently it's just not a draftable game unless you like very carefully create a cube, and cubes are generally expensive and also difficult to play because you have to get eight people at a room together who want to do it and do it for a while and like sit down for three hours. Yeah, so, basically, so you have all these wants, right, and it's like how do we obtain that? So I was going to start just like kind of throwing things at the wall and seeing what sticks. And sure enough, like the first idea. People ask me how long did we test jim lead challenge format before like releasing it, and the answer is one stream. I basically had one stream where I was like, you know, I've got this idea for a format where basically it's monotype, you know, Singleton, a rule box, you could play any card for black and white, and let's just play some games on stream and have some fun and see what happens. And it was like immediately evident that the format was deep. There was a lot of really complex decisions to be made. Then it was fun. The games were taking like on average of like thirty minutes. And when you're playing online and the game is taking a whole thirty minutes, like there's some stuff happening there. There's a lot of back of forth, you know, so many games were coming back, coming down to like the final prize card, so much back and forth actions, so much drama, and it was just like, oh my God, like it was immediately evident after just the first stream of playing Jim leater challenge that we had something like really, really cool on our hands. And within that first week I released a video on it, I launched a website because I was like this is really cool. I want people, I want other people to know that this is like a very fun way and a very cheap way to enjoy the POKEMON trading card game. I really think that we've done it and Ed sure enough, you know, now there's people playing Jim leater challenge all over the world. You know, tournaments happening and Japan and the EKS happening. You know, in Europe for Jim leater challenge is theaks happening all over the country where they only play explicitly Jim meater challenge. And you know I mean the format cells itself and and for me I'm just happy to see people having fun playing cards and I'm happy that there's an accessible or matt that exists where players don't have to spend hundreds of dollars on Archias or Muse and they can more or less just build decks with the cards that they may have and have a really good, wholesome, enjoyable game. If the you know their friends or family or what I I think that the barrier to entry is incredibly low, of the skill ceiling is very high and I feel like it's just the perfect pokemon experience really, and you kind of see that, you know, the themes in the first half kind of loop around as well. You know, we think about some of the biggest tournaments in Jim leader challenge, often the full grip one case, but also some of these online tournaments. The people who are winning those are the people who have really invested themselves and to being good at this format and to practicing the strategies and understand the INS and outs of their decks. It's really cool to see and I've always been really impressed repeatedly as we see these like these tweets and these facebook posts of people playing Jim leader challenge like literally across the world. You know, I think that's so cool. Yeah, it's. I mean it's incredible and I think it's just because the POKEMON trading card game at its core is really fun. And Yeah, I mean I helped popularize this way to play, but I don't really think of it like, you know, I don't only think of it like I created it or it's like it's my child or anything. It's just like this to me is in and I think that this is something trainer chip said, but it's like it's how the POKEMON trading card game is supposed to be. I mean you strip away all the like, you know, all the like, the marketing gimmicks. Basically you take away all the marketings of like we need to sell cards, we need the most powerful thing to exist, right, which are basically all the you of the V pokemon. The GX is,...

...the X is all the stuff that's supposed to sell booster boxes, right. You take us stef away, and there's actually the game designers are clearly very passionate about game design, because there's a lot of really cool pokemon that just can't see play and standard format. So you ask yourself, like what were these pokemon designed for? You know, like some game designer created these for what? Yeah, don'tally. It's finally there's something that they can do, you know, finally, and I think it's important to have a format that like this, where the cards are cheap, the decks are easy to get into, and something else that I really love about it is that the decks evolved a little bit slower than they do in standard format, though. You could realistically build a grass type Jim leater challenge deck this year, not play for a year, come back next year and you've still got a good deck. Yeah, it's more of an eternal format than any other format that's ever existed in the POKEMON TCG and because of the singleton nature of it, the Games are all very different. Every time you open a hand with Jim leater challenge, is a possibility that you've never seen that hand before and that you might not ever see that hand again, and you're going to have that experience multiple times throughout a game because of the fact that your deck, they have fifty two, hundred and fifty five different cards in it. Yeah, real, literally, like literally. Yeah. So it's a it's been a joy to see people just enjoying the POKEMON trading card game in a different context and I'm just really excited to be a part of it because I feel like it's something that the pokemon trading card game was desperate, desperately missing. I agree. I've always thought for years that kind of the same thing that you were thinking. Are like clearly there's some amount of intent to put into like these parts that we're just writing off a spiller trash, you know, because they're they're not viable and standard. But clearly there is design intent behind these cards. Like what is it for now? Yeah, like, look it. This is a rude from chilling rain, right. That's the cards in reference to. Actually, like I'm looking at it right now. Is a rude from chilling rain. Is like a really well designed basic pokemon. Hundred thirty hip points. It's pack call attack allows you to search for a grass pokemonk great for setting up your deck right and if you go second, it's your first turn, you can get three grass pokemon right and then it's repeated whip attack does more damage for the amount of grass energy attached to it. Just like a really solid setup pokemon. That like, would very clearly never be able to be played in standard for exactly so, like what is the card for? And the answer is gently or touche right, because that's it is. It's yeah, it's one of the best grass type attackers. And a lot of players will ask like why, you know, why do I? Why do I have to be limited to just one type of right? Why can't I? Why can't I combine Bettergis? Well, it's because that limitation allows for more cards to see play. Yeah, then that there would see play otherwise, or else every deck would just play auctillery or Bibarell, or every single deck would have a shady dealings in Tellian and it right. It's just, you know, having to really rely on your types. Advantages and disadvantages allow you to really hone in on the character of that type, much like a JIM leader would. Right, and that's part of the challenge and that's part of what makes it fun. I would totally agree, and I think the limitations are an important element of the formats. You know, for every for every game where you lose because you could only play one of or because you couldn't play the optimal support Pokemon that's outside of your type, because you couldn't play your ev you know, you'd have like ten more games do you have with like a dynamic, interesting game state that is there completely unique game in of itself from many the ones that you've played. You know, I think of standard from aut right now as being the best it's been in a really long time. Even then, like the game flows are often very similar from game to game. Where is you going to challenge? I never feel like I'm playing the same game twice and I think that that replayability is something that I'll just keep people, you know, coming back. It's actually been Jim later challenge has been like the dopest thing that I've I've ever made, because I don't need to like I don't need to advertise for it, hardly. I mean it's certain points like once you get enough people that have actually tried it, this format sells itself. Is So fun, like, my goodness, it's so sick, honestly, and it's just like it's...

...cool. Now I can just be like all right, you know, we've taught enough people how to play this way and now they're just going to tell their friends, because it's the dopest way to play pokemon cards, though. You know, and I truly believe that like it. I have, you know, a dozen Jim later challenge dex built and now when I'm kicking it with the homies, but we'll just play Jim later challenge, like I don't you know, it used to be tough because in order to cube, which is like another fun way to play cards, you got to get eight homies together, but now just you and one homie play some Jim meater challenge. Honestly, just pick back, you know, play a best of three might take an hour and a half, maybe two hours. You know, if you're playing it like I'm, if you're playing playing at a casual pace, and you're going to feel like, you know, a real sense of accomplishment whether you've literally whether you win or lose, and that's something that's like really been, I think, a key part of this formats. Like almost every game I lose and Jim leater challenge like Dang, what if I had done this one different thing with that one card on that one turn? And it's those decisionmakings, you know, those tough decisions that you have to make will keep you coming back because you want to learn more and really kind of try and navigate the deck perfectly, and navigating a Jim leater challenge deck perfectly is a very difficult thing to do, I would totally agree. So I have to ask then a controversial question, Andrew. Why is your favorite type to serve as the JIM leader? For who? That is a tough question. Well, I I have really enjoyed getting into all the different types when but it's funny because, like we were talking about earlier, dim leader challenge is definitely a format that rewards loyalty and practice with a type of right like if you are you know. And it's so fun because you kind of get this like you get this little rivalry going on amongst the different types and the players that really vibe with certain types over others. Right, it's like rooting for a football team. It really is, like it's like what pokemon would be like if it really existed, right where you're rooting for certain Jim leaders and things like that, right, which is so funny because it's actually, I feel, like Jim Leader Challenge, which is actually more canonical than than any other form of the POKEMON trading card game, because it actually you have like who has three mew Giganta Max me on their team right, but, like you might have you know, a rose rated to Venus ord and rilla boom in a chair. So it's it's more canonical than actual pokemon cards and you root for your team. I really like that. Reminds me of what, you know, things would be like if people are going to actual stadiums and, you know, hearing for fin leaders and stuff. I started with fire, then I went to water. Waters like definitely one of my favorite types of all time. Really vibe with the water deck. We were talking earlier about the whole deluge thing. Oh Yeah, you get to play rain, dance, blast noise and that water deck and it's glorious. Okay, I don't think I'll ever quite get the delude out of you. No, no, never. But I think, I think that lightning is my favorite, and the reason why I think lightning is my favorite is because winning games with it is challenging, but it's very good. It's like a very good deck, but the winds all feel earned and none of them are just total blowouts. Like every every matchup feels like a fifty, which makes the lightning deck, I think, my favorite deck to play, because no matter what deck come playing against, I'm like this is going to be a good game, right, and that's really what I'm looking for when I'm playing too, meter change. I'm just looking to have some like good thought provoking games, some real head scratchers, and lightning has been the the type that gives me the most amount of head scratchers. So I've been playing it for months and I still don't feel like I have it down pet like I'm still tweaking cards all the time and like maybe this card could fit in, maybe this card get hit it, because choosing sixty cards is like impossible, so hard. Yeah, would you have all these different cards at your disposal? Right? So it's a it's been really fun to continue tweaking the lightning deck. A recent revelation I have with lightning was that the elective fer was like really good and original lightning list or not playing this ELECTI virus. It's just an electifer from rebel clash. You know it. It was just an overlooked card for a long time, but he could do a hundred eighty damage. It's pretty good.

That's numbers, baby, that's numbers doing numbers. Yeah, I love it so last last Gim leader challenge question for you. What do you think is the most overlooked card in the gym leader Challenge Right now? Who the most overlooked or that's a really good question. Most over for looked card? Wow, I mean there's so many really fun debates that happen in the gym leader challenge kind of community. You know, is timer ball good or bad? Right, that's just like a big one. Some players swear off ultra ball because they're like, I have to discard two cards and I don't want to do that because my deck is singleton. Right. You have all these different all these different kind of bloss of fees in building your gym leater challenge deck. You know, should I play bridget and Gloria in my deck or should I play one or neither? Right, cards that help you to get your game picked off. I think that, as far as under rated cards go, I really like hound map. I think town map is a car that started to make its way into like more of my decks. It's a card that obviously, just flip over. Your prize cards incredibly good and you can hand select whatever prize you want when I cammut in your game. But the thing about time map is, like everybody knows town map is good, everybody, but it's also an incredibly easy card to cut because, yeah, it's really easy to justify. I got a good that you don't need it right. Just don't prize bad stuff. So time map is a world champion, I'll have you know it is. It is. So town map is a card that you kind of see in and out of a lot of decks, but I think it is very valuable in many strategies. Another one Cynthia and Caitlyn. I feel like Cynthia and Caitlyn's one of the best supporters in Jim later challenge format. I agree, because it's not only a consistency card but also over recovery card to supporter card that allows you to guarantee that you're going to be drawing for the next two turns as long as you have a drawl supporter in your discard pile, and that ability to change draw support is very good in a singleton format. Make sure that you just can see accessing your deck. So I like that card too. Excellent. I like both of those takes and I like your reasoning behind them too. So have you played any JIM leater challenge. Really, I've played it okay amount. I haven't super grinded it. It's hard for me because I can't really play with you on stream when you're most likely to play it, and I don't live near dry so we can't be riding out the games the homies. Yes, yes, I'm looking forward to getting to play more Jim leter challenge with you. Haven't feel like that. We haven't had that experience yet. But but I really enjoyed Natalie. I've played a lot the last time I visited and I don't get I don't play a lot of cards in Natalie like a general. So I really enjoyed doing that. Yeah, and she is really liked playing Jim meater challenge as well, which has been something that has made me really happy that she likes playing with you know, with with our friends and things like that. It's got the Natalie stamp of approval. So and that's he's lost me. We love it. It is. It is so at this plant I just want to ask you know, with all that we've talked about, in all that we've said today, what is your parting nugget of wisdom for the tag team listeners who arting nugget of wisdom. Putting Uget to wisdom would be practice. You want to get good, he practice in that really anything. Yep, he practice in that is definitely the key. If you care deeply about something, work towards it and and in practice is the best way to get there. And that's just been kind of the big thing, the big theme in my life, that everything that I do. I started making videos when I was, you know, fifteen, fourteen, right, so, and now it's what I do because I just love it. Right. So you work towards the things you're passionate about, practice and and that's the best way to see success with them. So I don't think anybody I've ever met has in bodied the grind set more than my friend Andrew Mahone, so take his word for it us. I appreciate that, Riley, and thank you so much for having me on the cast. Oh, this has been so fun, absolutely man. For our listeners who maybe aren't as...

...familiar with you, where can they find you? Well, glad you asked. A stream every weekday on twitch TV, tricky Jim, and then I also upload videos to tricky Jim on Youtube and you can find me and all of my bad opinions on twitter. ENJOY FRIEND E and JOI friend and if you're a fan of CAST, make sure to rate and review and follow us in social media. Where at tag team Pokemon at twitter. My own twitter is at smiles and Riles, and our beloved co host, Mr Jevuh creall while he's taking care of his new Warren Baby. You can't follow him for baby picks at Flex Daddy right us on twitch in Youtube, as well as real John Walter on twitter. Thank you so much for listening to this awesome episode of Tag Team and thank Andrew Mahone for joining us and we'll catch you next week. Base.

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