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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 4, Episode 33 · 7 months ago

4-33. EU, I See

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Hey hey hey Tag Teamers! The boys are BACK and ready to discuss prep for the European International Championship. Come hear about the process of getting ready for a big tournament and the top decks at this snapshot in time.

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Yo, what's up, guys, welcome back to tag team Pokemon, trading card games from her podcasting. Duoh. My name is fry Horbart, joined once again by my good, good friend and newly crowned father, Mr Jw Crewall Deeto. How's it going today? It's going great, Riley. Feeling feeling refreshed, feeling happy to be here. You're feeling refreshed. That's it's usually, I feel, like, not the review people give one weekend. Listen, I think we have the Dream Baby. She was really hard to deal with in the womb right my'm my wife was throwing up all the time, like it was just really uncomfortable, and then the birth was like kind of, you know, horrible as well. Not Not horrible, you know, things fine, but just like very painful. Obviously. Right then, since she's been out, all we gotta do we got to keep her warm, so we got to put on like two layers of clothing, and then we just gotta feed her enough. And if we can do those things, she's an absolute dream child. We get in the evening, so we'll put her down to bet around eleven or twelve, and then we'll get like the first kind of stint will be three hours and then, you know, we'll wake her up and eat or she'll wake us up and eat, and so, like we're we're expecting that right. So like a threehour kind of glorified nap there for us, and then and we'll put her back down and she'll sleep for another like three and a half four hours. We'll get up and do the whole morning routine and yeah, it's like pretty good. So and we'll take naps in the afternoon to kind of supplement our are like six or seven hours of sleep at night. But it's been she's been awesome. We hung out on the couch today just chilling, the two of us. We did some skin to skin, yeah, contact, and so hence the genesis of that tweet that I made. And and yeah, it was just great chilling with my with my kid. Yeah, that's awesome. That's awesome. And you mentioned, you know, just clothes and food. Honestly, I think that applies the whole life, right, like give that's rose food and a place to stay. That's all you need to do really. Yeah, pretty much he had. Parenting is easy. Don't let anyone tell you any different. Walk in the park for sure, so how about you? What's new with you? Well, I don't have a kid, so it's been a little more yeah, forrard, for me yet, and I'm for that. You know of that. I know of yet. I don't have a kid that I know of yet. But it's been good. It's been good. You know, I was obviously I was working on site last week, Hans, the kind of change in structure, but you know, I'm back. I have if the four cats, you know, longtime listeners. No, periodically I'll have my neighbor's cats over as well. Those a little bit chaotic in my apartment. Yesterday they knocked out. This is like just stupid story, but yes, they knocked over my air pods off the kitchen counter and they went like flying out of the case and one of them like tumbled under my like h FAC closet door, which the apartment has the key to, like land, not me. So I had to put in the service request, like Hey, I don't actually need anything like service related, but I do need someone to open that door I get my air pod. So I put a little sign on the age factor like Hey, you know, I like management or service guy, whoever comes, like just put it in the utensil drawer, like I'm sure enough. I come home and it got an air on a utensil drip. That's awesome. So that was like I was like, I was a little peeved last day, not gonna lie. You know, I was at testing with Andrew and I had I have phones on, so I didn't hear it like fall off the counter. Yeah, and I just I walk into my kitchen and I see my case on the ground with no air. Pause. I'm just like, Dang it, but did I really go two hundred dollars cassidy? Seriously? Right? That would be so sad. Imagine minusing on your cat sitting. I know that's that's tough, but it's otherwise, it's been super chill. I'm just trying to like prep for the trip and you know, I'm doing some laundry right now, trying to get all my clothes situated. If there's like a random beat that goes off on my side, that's what it is. And I've been going through this chaos at work as I try to prepare. If you're leaving for a week, yes, because you, of course, are traveling to Germany. Yeah, the European International Championships. That's really excited. I'm like so stoked for you guys because I can't wait to see, you know, who of the Friend Group Wins Tournament. That's right, it's going to be in hot contention. I know you guys have been prepping hard for it. We certainly have. Yeah, and we're just generally like I think across the...

...board, everyone's going is really excited just to do something really fun and interesting. It was very much like a spur of the moment decision to do it in the the ladder half a Salt Lake City, and now that we're here, it's it's really real and it's exciting, you know. Yeah, that's really fun as a as recording this and flying out in just a little over two days. Wow, wow, I yeah, because it'll take what twenty, like five hours or something. I don't think it's that much to get there, but you don't think so? Okay, how many hours? Certainly I mean more than like half a day. Right, I think it's like sixteen maybe. Okay, Ventine, let me open up my fly Delta APP yeah, is there anything that you I mean you've taken kind of international flights before, but maybe not one this long. You went down to Brazil a few years ago. Yeah, is there anything that you make sure you take on these long flights? Not necessarily, like honestly, I think planes are kind of chill, like as long as you have like charging cables and like maybe a book, and it's usually fine. On like really long flights, they usually give you like a blanket and a pillow and stuff of you, but if you're like picky about that stuff, you can bring that on your carry on term. Otherwise, like just standard light fair. I mean I just like pass out on planes without any proppting. Me Too, Bro, I'm a plane sleeper. I I'd be on the plane for thirty minutes. I'm asleep on that guy. Yeah, I'm with you, so I feel like I don't have to adjust a lot, but definitely like have a power source for your phone, you know, for when you inevitably like are either on like the free movies they offer, and also bring a headphone of some sort. Yep, if you some planes like will only have like the like the touch the back of the seat screens. So you might even want headphones that plug in if you typically are like a wireless headphone user, right, but you can also ask for them to and get and pay like a couple bucks for a really, really, really bad pair of headphones, right. Yeah, I was going to say the ones that they provide or that they that they, you know, allow you to buy. I guess. Yeah, just truly, truly that canstantly bad. But yeah, I mean I I don't really have many issues on planes. When I flew to Brazil, I play it like my ds the whole time. I shiny hunted in Pokemon. The sudden moon got a shine. Yeah, you, that was fun. Yeah, that's awesome. That's awesome. Ye, but enough enough about the travel. I mean, I think we want to talk a little bit more about the preparation the power tournament. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So. Obviously you've been preparing with the testing group, as it were, the kind of I don't know, Ohio, the Ohio adjacent players or one time Ohio play. I don't know, it's like, you know, you me, Kevin Zelee, Andrew, Natalie, that kind of thing. You know. So you've been, you've been certainly with the squad with the homies, really grinding out games and trying to figure out, you know, some some optimal deck list kind of what your comfort zone is in terms of the pics that you're going to to play and then also kind of anticipating what you think other people might play or other people might try. So, yeah, give us kind of a broad overview of how the testing sessions have been going. So we've been testing a lot for this tournament. I've you listen to last week's episode. You heard Andrew come on and kind of talk about the importance and value of putting in the time and practicing for events, and we've seen that like practically payoff in our friend group as well. You know that the probably the three tournaments I tested for the most were Collinsville, Dallas and the twenty, what is it? Two Thousand and Nineteen World Championship, and those are I've had my three most impressive, in my opinion, performances, you know, with the the top thirty, two world's lost my winning in the waiting the Dallas and top for it, Collinsville. So I clearly like there's a lot of value, even in formats, or people think it's a little more closed off, to just like getting a lot of reps in and practicing. So we've been doing a lot of that. We've be kind of used amongst ourselves. That really in the early days of you know, even just since I moved to Madison, we didn't really take good advantage of the online platform as a testing tool. We didn't use discord especially well, things like that, just like really basic stuff that like in hindsight it's like very silly that we didn't really do that enough. And obviously we are. Group was not super engaged and involved in the the online tournament scene, so to speak. But you know, hindsight two thousand and twenty. So here we are. We meet pretty much every day, if not, you know, I would say like five to six days a week, rather on discord and we...

...throw games. Primarily it's me and Andrew, but we get the the cavalcade, the peanut gallery will stream in and out and other people will play games as well. Yeah, and we've been kind of throwing a lot of things at the wall. So the way we've been going about things, and this is how I usually like to start as well, as will start with the bassline. We will find really consistent, optimal, in our opinion, lists for the top like two or three decks, and we'll talk more in the latter half about kind of like power rankings for decks and things like that. But you know, for us we've been focusing on Archaius and Italian as kind of or sorry, Archaius and mew as our top decks. Two kind of hone in as a starting point. Once we got to a confident place with those, that's when we started to to feel out a little bit more and experiment, because once we had really solid framework for those decks, it gave us something that we could throw other decks against and see if if they match up to what our opinion would be the best decks otherwise. So we threw a lot of games of like archius mirrors, mew mirrors, archius versus view as kind of like our initial baseline right, and then it becomes like what can enter that space and compete against both of them to a reasonable level. So that went in a couple different directions. The most forefront of our mind was gang are. We played a lot of gang are leading up to Salt Lake City and kind of dropped it towards the last minute. Just wasn't feeling like it was consistent enough, and so even trying a lot of gang are and we've been trying to experiment with gang are as well. You know, I we referenced before on the cast as well that we didn't feel like we had truly, you know, branched out enough, you know tried enough crazy things with these decks to really take them to the next level, and so we're actively trying to do that. So with Gangar we've tried a lot of different things. We've tried extra single prize attackers to make them Alamar matchup better. We've tried the Cholte on with the memory capsule to kind of spice up the the intial on base matchups and ultimately, like none of those were super fruitful. But we gave them all a pretty fair shake. Right, like we let them, we let them sit for a fair amount of games, you know, minimum of five. Yeah, before we before we kind of shelve that idea. And even five is on the low end for some of these things. And that was just like an obvious like yeah, gangars like good against you, or it should be good at least against few, right, and it has an okay situation where Starkius, if it sets up. It's like, how can we make gang a more versatile for the format. was kind of the thought process there and we've been kind of applying that same thought process to things that are generally good against, like either archias or mew or what have you. So like her she foo is like another good example of here's something that as a good matchup into this situation, you know, like Archaius and Alamar. How can we make this a more broad reaching, effective deck in like the targeted couple of decks that we're trying to focus on? So we'd play a lot of Hershifu as well. I actually still really like her she fu, but the mew matchup was proving to be very difficult. Yeah, so we kind of like shelve that idea and then we started to kind of branch out with our archius ideas. You know what, what kind of things can we give like a little edge to our deck in, you know, how can make them match up like that much better? How can we make the archeus mirror that much more bearable? And that's when that's what he still getting into. Weird stuff. You know, you get until definitely playing rows to try and power up your CROBAT VMAX in one turn without charging to it. You play, you know, Thicker v Barrel Lines, you play your disruption cards. Avery is a card that we're trying to experiment a lot with right now because we think it's really disruptive in the format at the moment. Sure, yeah, I mean you have a lot of wide scaling benches. I mean Malmar and me kind of come to mind immediately. But the raw draw of three is not not terrible for most x right like if you're playing in an Archius deck, like you're probably just kind of playing off the board for the most part after you star birth. So seems like an interesting option for a lot of x right now. Yeah, and so, broadly speaking, like taking a step back kind of from the rambling that I've just laid down, is we've been testing almost every day and we try and give an idea a fairly decent shake. So once we have a concept, will give it like a full day's worth of reps and so and if it's performing well, we'll take it to the next day until we break it or or rebuy it, type situation. Most ideas, I feel like we've given it at least a day and a half of like solid reps before we dropped it, and that's been really good. You know, it's been a...

...lot of like stepping back even and just figuring out, like what are the cars that like? We know what the best core cards are. We know like Archaius and mew and like Italian engine stuff like that. We know those are like the best for frameworks, for decks. But what are the other good potential cards, you know? And that's when you get into the territory of like I'm just going to filter on Pokemon V and I'm going to look at every right on V for every type. And we literally sat down one day and just taught in. This is towards the start of our testing. We sat down, looked at every POKEMON V for every single type, looked at the support cards for each of this type and just saw there's anything that's like a gap in our knowledge? Yes, next thing we did was look at some of those weird tech cards. You know, the jolte on was a was an obvious contender. There things like avery. How can we squeeze those into decks that we know are already good? And then the final phase of that is just like really just now that we've taken some of these crazy ideas, now that we've taken some of these initial concepts, refine those concepts down. So now we're at that stage, you know, we're a week out from the tournament, where we're a little bit less apt to necessarily experiment. We're still doing it, but right now we're trying to like get those final like here's the sixty right, here's what we've determined with the knowledge that we've gained from the last couple of sessions, the exact sixty cards that we think fit's the concept that we think is the best. So it's been how ramp up? Yeah, how close would you say you are to locking in a choice? I would say I would say right now there's still some some contention between the decks that we like the most, you know, spirit of transparency, like I've you know, and there's some like disagreement, almost philosophically, about what decks we think are really good. I really like Arkis decks, you know, and those have traditionally been like the kinds of decks that I've liked as well, and so try not to fall too hard in that trap. Some of our other friends are really big into you, and what's been hard with that as well is I actually really like you, but you can have like really long strings of Oh, I just like lost a whole day of testing to pass the peak and I just felt horrible, right and I we crammed in for stadiums and like path of the peak still hit us every single time for a whole day. And like that can happen, and that's why we try really hard to like to carry stuff over to like the be fresh and like the next day as well and like continue to try those same ideas, because that can happen right, like you can just have a bad beat for a day and like it gets really in your head. Yeah, and I think part of the key there is not letting it get in your head but actually answer your question. We're haven't like fully decided yet. I think we have some from frameworks for the top decks in our group that we are really close to, kind of like this is the sixty, but there's like two decks, two to three decks, that we would still like flop between those s well, it's also kind of interesting too, is because you're not just testing, you know, one deck in isolation trying to find that perfect sixty. Like you might have to, like you said, two or three decks where you feel very confident that that is the kind of perfect list or that is the tournament worthy list, right, and you're all making these decisions together. That's that's always something interesting, you know, for listeners to hear is that, you know, sure, you might have your one deck that you really want to just hone in on, but at the same time, if you're going to get really good high level testing, you're going to want to kind of be experimenting with all these different decks and bringing them all up to a tournament level. Yeah, and we've a you know, to that end. We've, you know, been taking a lot of those concepts and trying to refine them down and, you know, we do screen sharing now and just show every play, talk through every single play that we're making, making sure it's like the right one, as well as what we don't the worst thing that you can do as like a pokemon player is to Pokemon is such a it's like such an out of the game type of like your success. It's a lot of it is based on the things that happen before you even sit down for the tournament, right, a lot of the deck building, the decisions that you make leading up to the tournament, and so we really want to make sure that those choices are super informed leading into the tournament. Is that. It is ultimately the message that I would say. So what you don't want to do, is a pokemon player, is you don't want to like build up misimpressions of a deck and kind of write it off and focus on one other deck and then realize like the night before, Oh, I got to pick up this other concept and I just don't even know like how to route that effectively and end up like going o to and feeling really sad because it just like wasn't for you. Didn't feel like...

...it was for you and you didn't have the practice to make that work right. And there are certainly players out there who can make that work. You know, they could pick something up on the fly and be successful, but that's not for everybody. And honestly, I think there are decks right now. They're just they require that like experience or you know, whether that is experience with that deck in particular or just like a wealth of lived game experience, maybe not with that deck but in general with Pokemon, to kind of execute on successfully. Yeah, absolutely, the nuance of being a top eight level you player versus being a mew player who's getting their CP for the day is is diff is high. You know, the nuance of being an archais player. He's playing at a hundred percent versus an arkis players playing at seventy five percent. Is A wide gap, in my opinion. Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean. That's a really good point that you make, because a lot of what I tell you, know, people in my stream ms or people that a coach is, that you know there's there's so much that you can't control. You can't control your matchups, you can't control your hands, you know, for you know to an extent, right. Obviously the deck building comes into play. You can control how you build your deck, but you know to an extent you can't control your hands, but you can control how you play in the game and you can't control the deck that you decide to bring right. So, like making sure that those are as finely tuned as possible is really good. I think your tip about screen sharing is extremely valuable for players. Right, like you don't want to just be isolated to how you're playing a deck. You want to get a couple of eyes on it if you can, or at the very least you're testing partner get some eyes on that while you're playing just to make sure that they have like kind of a double check. You know, it's like, you know, hey, man, can you read over this essay before I submit it to the teacher? Right like that's always good to get that second pair of eyes on what you're doing just to make sure you're not missing some obvious play or missing some obvious line that would help you better navigate that matchup. So, you know, overall, if I had to sum up kind of the process you've been going through is I would put it like a couple different pillars, like the first pillar being the gameplay. We're really we're harsh on each other too in the the screen share and, like we're apt to, we're quick to call out when we think something was not the thing to do. You know, will admit when, like a path was better. Will take note of when we weren't sure and then it became more obvious, like down the road, what was going on there. So that's like the end game element of it. From like the deck building perspective, I would say the philosophy we take is we start with broad ideas, find the ones that stick and hone those to a fine point, though, like very much a narrowing over time, until we feel like we've gotten to like this is the sixty or here the three different s that we would take to this tournament based on how we feel, like the night before, about the metagame. And then, you know, the the other important piece of it is just, you know, lot not letting like keeping heaping your perspectives open, so to speak, you know, not letting one day of testing change your whole outlook of the format without like subs definitely that further. Thank you. Definitely that's on down weird paths. If we if we had just like, all right, we found the decades worked really well today, let's let's schip it, yeah, or vice versa, like, oh yeah, this deck was just like really bad today, like that's it, or never play it again. Both of those things would have led to bad outcomes. So yeah, absolutely. So obviously you haven't chosen a deck, you know, at this point in time, and that's to be expected about you're gonna you have a couple more days here in the states. Then you're going to try level when you get your whole week to kind of test around and just make that final choice. But I have a question about what you know for sure you're not going to take. So, like, is there anything that you've deduced over the course of testing that you're very confident you're going to be hands off of? And that could be texts or that could be decks, just anything that you're like definitely not going to play in in Europe. I hate to use definites, you know. I hate to use definite's like maybe find some insanely broken idea and like the last couple days. That's unlikely, though. I would say one concept I'm very cold on right now is Joeltyon. For sure. I know it's a deck a lot of people like I kind of struggle to see the value and it's, so to speak, like it's a low maintenance deck, but it doesn't really doesn't do what it needs to do against you. In my opinion, that's one concept I've kind of struggled with. I'm also kind of struggling to like really motivate myself to want to hit bring Malamar to...

...the tournament. I know Malamar's one of the top decks in the METAGAME, but I've said this before, it's like a lot of your agency is taken away from you when you play Blamar. Once you hit that like baseline. I know what I'm doing with the deck skill level. Yes, you know you don't have a lot of control over the way that your games play out, and both me and Archaeis can really capitalize on that if you show like a moment of weakness. US to them, so to speak. Right right. So, like those are decks I'm kind of cold on right now. Honestly, I'm pretty cold on gang are too, but you know, gang gars like such a run hot deck, but you know, it can like find itself in like these weirdly good metaphysitions, like salt like city, for example, where it's just like, Oh yeah, gang are was perfect for the field that day and it ran hot, so be that, with or without Archaius is like another concept I'm a little cold on. I would say, like neither mew nor archias our concepts that I would dare to write off personally. Right right, they're just press well, that's what it's sounding like. You know, you've kind of eliminated it a number of the other top decks, and we'll get into that in the second half of the cast, but kind of seems like you know, at this point you're really just deciding kind of optimal sixty for either me, you or Archaius. It's definitely the direction we're kind of headed. You know, we have like crazy ideas that we still want to try out, trying to make that Dang jolty on work, for example. But you know, I think in the grand scheme of things, it'll probably just be a gang are archias deck and I think that's what ending realistically, that's what a lot of the top players will likely choose because it gives them a lot of control and it's clearly those are two the two best decks overall. Yeah, yeah, solid, all right. Well, we got a, you know, one cast without you next week, sadly, as will be in Germany, but I can't wait to live vicariously through you, because I've never been. I've never been, well, I take it back, I've never been to I was going to say I've never been doing tournament outside of North America, but that's actually not true. But I've never been to an international championship. Yes, yes, it's very fund I'm excited to go. I'm excited to spend time with my friends in a foreign country and a foreign land enjoying Das boot and any other wonderful European experiences. It'll be great. I'm excited. Follow me on twitter for updates. Sounds good. Give me on tag teamers. That's right. Is Right. So, before we jump into any Meta stuff, though, W I think it's think it's high time for a car of the day. Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, this week it's been a big week for me with the with the baby, so I figured that I would do a little baby pokemon. I was trying to think about some of the baby pokemon that I've played in the past and I couldn't think of any in modern times. But I have a few baby pokemon that I really, really, you know, love and enjoy from back in the heartgold, soul silver era, when baby pokemon were like arguably some of the most impactful cards in the game. You know, you had your tie rogue and that could do thirty damage, which was enough to knock out all other babies. You had things like Eli Kid, that's all a little bit of play, doing some snipe damage. Yet things like mime junior that could put cards to the laws zone. But you had my favorite baby and probably the most widely played, baby CLEFA from heart, goold, soul silver. Now I wouldn't just give you kind of the run of the mill CLEFA, but there was a CLEFA Chromo that was released that had the same exact artwork as the pack Cleffa, but it had this kind of, you know, original hollow foil pattern on it, and I thought that that cleft was awesome, just a really cool card, especially because it was holographic. And that is today's card of the day, the CLEFA heartgold, Soul Silver Promo number twelve. And what is the attack name on that? CLEFFA? Very nice, I heard the yeah, personal opinion at least, is that the more energy you put into announcing CLEFA is Eke, the more likely it is you'll draw good cards. Absolutely, yeah.

And what's funny is that the number of ease in the Eke yeah is is directly correlated to whether or not you know, you're exactly, like you said, whether or not you're going to draw well. So I always make sure to like screech it, especially if I'm playing in a for fun game. When I was playing, you know, for Real CLEFA, you know back in the in what two thousand and eleven or whatever? Yeah, I'd keep it understated. Obviously still trying to have a little bit fun with it, but yeah, you're not going to go screeching at a pokemon tournament, but when you're playing with well, I know right, but when you're playing with friends, I mean it's all it's all our you know, kind of guttural guttural eats left and right, truly for defenseide yeah, absolutely, absolutely sweet sleeping face. Is that poke a body? I mean these are this is a poke a body that was on all of the baby pokemon at the time and it's is it's a really fun one or really heartbreaking one, depending on who you are. But it says as long as you know this baby pokemon, so CLEFFA tyrogue, you know my junior, all those, all these baby pokemon, as long as they're a sleep, prevent all damage done to them by attacks. So, like you attack, the attack puts you to sleep and then you have to flip and then, depending on the outcome of that flip, your Poka body is either just absolutely ope or really destroys you. So and then you have to like wake up coming back to you. Ideally, yeah, it's a whole thing. For sure. If you want to see a little bit more about that or read a little bit more about that. You can read about the National's finals in twenty eleven, the US nats finals, which was a big you know, Cleffa tyrogue sleep flip war, pretty crazy awesome. Does this harper have a sweet sleeping face? She absolutely does. She also has a lot of like little hairs all over her body and and speaking of little hairs all over her body, the tag team podcast is brought to you by manscaped. Yes, that's right, tag team is presented by man Squeez dance game skipped on your babies. No, yeah, I should say that. Yeah, there's definitely I feel like I should need to say that. But in any case, manscape is the Premiere Men's below the waiste grooming company, and they bring out a lot of products for us men, and I ladies as well, but for us men to keep our areas nice and groomed. Riley, on your plane ride, you're spending a week in Europe. Which of the products are you planning on bringing? I actually am planning on bringing my lawn bar law are four point out so I can keep clean and fresh. If you're watching the video version of this cast, you could see it actually freshly shaven heading into today. So I want to keep like a clean, like stubbly look, and the electric razor from manscaped is actually really effective at doing that. They'll be ringing my razor and I'll actually be bringing not the full bottle, but I've bottled up the body wash and put it in like a miniature like travel bottle, so I can bring that with me as well. And of course, you know, if you're listening to the cast, you know that rilet hoover it will not be caught dead without his man'scaped underpants. So those are the Barret. Literally, they are the first thing I am packing as I prepare my bag. I'm not joking. It's that's so epic. I will stand these forever. They're by far my most favorite air of underpants and I will be wearing them day one of the tournament. That's that's awesome and I wish you all the best. I know you're going to be, you know, probably the most comfortable player you know we're all maybe, and one of the best smelling to thanks to my Mansky body. It's crazy. So, Riley, if people want to get in on you know the manscape craze. If they want to find their own products, by their own products, we have a Promo Code. Why don't you something a little bit about that? Yeah, absolutely. So, if you're looking to get in on the awesome ground floor of manscaped and be part of the TAG team manscape nation, you can do that with code tag team at check gap. So all you got to do head over a Manscapecom, you got to put some items in your car, any number that you so please, and then when you get to check out, you use code tag team. That's tag team and reason that code, you'll get not only twenty percent off, but you will get free shipping as well. They don't just give this out to anybody, folks, this is an awesome deal and these are awesome products. So you definitely want to leverage that code, and that shows not only that you're support in the cast, but it...

...shows an attentiveness and care to your below the way screaming. Absolutely yeah, thank you for supporting the cast. Yeah, that's code tag team over at Manscapecom. Twenty percent off, plus free shipping. Thank you so much to Manscape for sponsoring the cast and with Bat GW, a long awaited people have been asking for years for what we think of the brilliant stars and Matta as we ramp up for you. I see it w what are the top decks for this tournament? Yeah, absolutely. I think there's really two that are far and away, in my opinion, the best choices for Europe or really any tournament that you have coming up, and that would be archaius and new I think, almost interchangeably at this point. But you know, for me, if I'm going to this tournament, I'm playing you hands down. I'm in playing a lot of it on the ladder. I just feel so good to me and I've been, you know, figuring out a lot of these matchups that I thought were kind of bad before. So, for instance, Malamar I've been playing a lot recently. I just put up a video actually on the channel, a little bit more of an indepth look at the Malam arm you matchup. been learning how to play against joltiown a little bit better. been learning how to play against the Archias DEX. So I feel very confident with me. You certainly, and I think it is one of, you know, the best deck, or at least tied for being the best deck right now. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, when you think of the top top tier decks in the metagame, you and archeus stand a leg above the rest. You know, not only having far and away the most day too and regional placements, but just overall, like when you get that your hands on those decks, it feels like you're playing a different game versus everything else that you try out in the format. I don't know if you feel that same exact way, but you know, if you, I feel like got unlimited power at your disposal and with Archias it you kind of craft your own game play and every single game, though, super powerful decks, mew and archias stand above the rest. There has been some debate recently, you know, heading into the regionals, it felt like me is by far the best stack, the one that people had their radars on. More recently, people, though, I've been thinking, you know, is archias the best stack? You know it's one. Now do different regionals, where as mused only gout one, when you know what gives. Do you feel that shift at all? Do you agree with that sentiment? It sounds like not necessarily. Well, I do feel like, you know, I've said this on past cast just that I think a lot of the better players gravitate towards Archaius, just being that it has kind of a less linear strategy than me. Right there's usually a few different tech cards you can play in Archias and you can fetch them out either through and Telli on or through your star birth, and so there are different ways to kind of build your deck that make it so that every game is kind of a choose your own adventure, right. Yeah, whereas mused just very much, you know your your you can do some tricks, but you know you're just kind of swinging, you know, as fast and as hard as you can. So I feel like a lot of the better players are gravitating towards Archaius at this point. I I personally still think mew is is the best deck. I was playing some tabletop with threw a few weeks ago and mew is just rolling archias just like barely close. Like Arcius is having a hard time getting pokemon down. Our mew deck was playing some catchers which allowed you to go for that bench Darchius with the energy, and I think if you can do that with them, you turn to knock that out. You're in a really, really strong spot. So, you know, maybe maybe a lot of mulists aren't playing Pokemon Catcher, but we are just having a field day in that matchup. For sure. I do feel like Archaius has strong answers to me. You obviously path Marnie's gonna be really good most of the time against the new deck, but not all the time, and it's just really whether or not you can get off the ground with the archeus deck in that matchup. That's how it does feel right like if you can get the archeus going, it can typically get all the way there versus view. But if they're able to get like that turn like turn to knock out on your archeis and you know, maybe a turn three knock out on a different archis, then it's just like what do I even do at that point? Yeah, exactly. There's certainly a tipping point where it's just if you don't stave off the mew deck then there's no real comeback for you. Absolutely, and I think, you know, an important factor when people talk about what is the best deck, you know it's hard to like truly define that in this metagame because me is by far the most hated deck in any room every deck is playing something to handle you, right, like and they have to. They have to command something that can immediately deal with the mew deck or is like an answer to it, whether...

...that be a thick count of path or dark attackers. And I can't think of really any deck besides one prize decks that don't do that right. Yeah, yeah, they don't have some kind of some kind of answer, some kind of you know check. And like I feel like archeus decks don't command that same response in the metagame necessarily. Like yeah, archist decks are super good, but and and you have done sparces well to cover the weakness, but you don't see that exact same scenario. Or people are like building their decks specifically with, you know, multiple cards to handle arcis. They'll just play their strategy and their strategies like can handle Arkis, so to speak. Yeah, and you does not have that same game respect, so to speak, like people are actively trying to beat me with all of their decks. Sure, yeah, absolutely. Are we still thinking kind of on Archius a little bit here? We still thinking just Arcius and telling on kind of the milk toast straightforward lists are best or you know they hate to bring up this topic again, but just like, what are the kind of tech attackers that you're thinking about in Archius? I know we've talked about Robat vmax in the past. Are you still kind of in that dark package void when we're talking about archias decks that you are considering for Europe, or are you thinking of just playing that straightforward archis? Are you thinking about, you know, maybe playing it with a fighting package? Like where are you at with with the archias decks? I think the way I typically like it is I do like the Crowbatb Max a lot and I like it because I like playing the Crow Bat and if you're going to play the card out, you just should play the card ATV Maas and my opinion, otherwise you might as well play like more water and telly on based deck. So I do like playing that. I don't necessarily still love Klara Multras. I think it's really good, but it's a lot of space. You know, it's two slots at worst, or at best rather and potentially like for at worst if you're like really leaning into that strategy, and that's like a lot of space than archis that. You know, even just one slot is a huge deal in Arcis, that I feel like, and I honestly I feel like against Archais, me you can kind of carve out a game plan where multis doesn't matter a ton. So I'd rather just try and build a more consistent version where like I either get carobot out or I pass them, better than like having to lean into the multis, because they can do against multis as they can. Multras only becomes a factor on three prizes left, so you can go from for it to and then if the if you haven't already take out a knockout is archis, they can like echoing horn boss or do all sorts of crazy stuff to make sure that you don't win the multus rights or like just have a melalot active. Yeah, exactly, exactly. You know, it's I I don't think the Multras is like that great of an answer, and Archias, I would rather just like have Crowbat as an option and path them right mostly. Yeah, so that's kind of where I'm at. Is. I like playing as straightforward as possible, but I like the Crow Bat for making your turn ones better. I think it just smooths out your game plan a lot if you're able to Crowbat for an energy when you need to hit it, or Crowbat for an extra basic. It makes your curve a lot easier to hit, in my opinion, whereas if you have like a soul and Italian version, it's really easy to like with an important card in the first stages of the game, right, right, absolutely outside of those tap two. What are your kind of top five, I guess. So what are the next three in the pecking order? Yeah, I think easily the third best deck is Malamar. I think it's the premiere one price deck by a wide margin. It has the ability to take those oaks and everything in the format. The problem that Malamar has, in my opinion, is that both archias and mew comand a lot of it has a lot out of Alamar really early. So you you have to be threatening like the either an OCO or a gust super early against you. Otherwise they can do the egg hit psychically. One Prize, one prize, one prize attack. Yeah, and that's like really hard for Malamar to deal with if rout it optimally from you, and so you need to like escape rope, turn to or actually hit the nine rapid strike cards to Kom you and like yeah, if you hit that, you're going to win, but it's really hard to hit that the so, Malamar, and then against Archias, if they're playing crow ba at it's already difficult...

...because right you're like trading evenly at best. But even if they're not, if they're playing like Charan's care and you just like have one awkward turn right, also really sucks. So yeah, yeah, Big Chart Arkius is definitely chaoble on turn to it's one card easier to Ko than I'm you, but it's hard. Yeah, yeah, certainly, certainly. I think one of those things that I've been finding more and more about them, Alamar, is just how dependent on the actillery they are. You know, obviously searching out that one card specifically that you want every turn is very good, but then also being able to pick up off the scoop up net. It's a plus one. It's like one of your easiest plus ones, right. I mean obviously you have your rescue carriers, but that you know you need to have two in the discard, you know, to make a work, so that one's not particularly good in the early game. But then octillery is like just so strong because of the ability to pick it up so I usually, you know, just kind of side strategy here. I'm always tarking down. Yeah, actilleries. Yeah, I think. I think early game it's it's almost always optimal to Koh the artillery, like if you're turned to with Archias, I think you should optimally like boss the the the remoraide. Yeah, I guess. In Arch is, I think you should go first, you should boss the remoraid turn to and that sets you up pretty well. And the same thing with me you is you should, cause you go a second and take the knockout immediately, but then right after that you pyo the remorade. Yeah, and then I then you're set up pretty well with both of those decks. From there I think it's usually better in the mid to late game just Ko their attacker because that's two more pieces they have to find, I. Dedicate their resources to. But it kind of game state dependent as well, certainly, you know. And the thing is like when, even if they can take some of those stretch knockouts, like, let's say, you know, Malmar dumps their whole hand and like chaos and archias turned to, well, then you're in a situation where like, oh, I can just boss your one sobole now and now you can't draw cards for like the next three turns. Yes, good luck with that. You know, it's just your thrust into a lot of awkward scenarios if you draw, if you draw like your rescue carriers too early, your hand clogs up. It just gets weird, weird deck to play. Yeah, certainly not one that I would I like it one that I would take the league, for sure. Yeah, I was going to say it's a deck that I would take to maybe like a local tournament or to League. But yeah, it's just it would be hard for me to take to a big tournament because I just be so frustrated with some of the some of the hands that I might get over the course the day. I like it. It's really a tilting deck, I think T is. I do think it's actually a very good deck, though, like I think it is. Yeah, son know for sure. Best Day, for sure. Yeah, and I'm in in complete agreeance with you there. It's a really solid choice. You know, certainly if you're listening to the cast and you're like hearing USA, you know that we don't really like it, that that shouldn't necessarily deter you, because I know a lot of players have had really good results of Malamar. I mean just look at Liverpool results, right, but for us to know, maybe not, maybe not our cup of tea, as it were. Let's go onto four and five. What do you have for four and five, Riley? Yeah, so I think after that it really starts to become like honorable mentioned territory. And once we get to there, I think we're looking at cards like joelte on and gang are and honestly Yourshifu, as well as in that mix of like the next tier of decks. And those are all decks that are good and they have a place in the metagame and they can get wins against all of the decks that we've previously stated, but have like some sort of flaw, weakness that prevents them from breaking into that upper echelon. So going through each of those in brief, then Jwf, you have thoughts, feel free to expand. Like Joel Tea is actually okay versus arks if they're not playing fighting stuff, but actually it's just not a great me matchup, no matter how many path you play. The three hundred HP on the jolting on is just really bad break point and because you're still reliant on the tool. You can't fix that break point either. You can't play like a big charm on your joelte on. I mean you could, but it wouldn't be great. So Jil te on what has going for is really low maintenance deck. You know, you get your Joelte on with your energy on it and your kind of cruising at that point. Yeah, it's cool. The next kind of deck in that mix is the gang are Ganger, obviously as a solid matchup against you. You know, we talked about decks that can actually handle you. Gangar is one of the ones that can keep up the easiest. You play a couple passed down. You get a gang oar vmacs and play. It's really hard to deal with that guy. You might be able to Kao one, but gang, the second one, is exceptionally challenging. The so Gangar is good. Gang our suffers and Ganger can actually be archys, but it suffers from the problem of being the Gangar at deck, you see,...

...and being kind of inconsistent. So when Gangar gets moving, it honestly feels like it beats everything. That isn't a one prize deck, but it fails to get moving like a solid thirty percent of the time. Yeah, certainly, certainly. Yeah, it's definitely one of those glass canids. We talked about that a lot in the cast to are there any decks that you know kind of talked about? These last three is being honorable mentions, but there are any dark horses that you think, you know, you maybe haven't put a lot of time into but certainly could make a deep run or are kind of like on the outside, like just waiting for somebody to make the right list? Like I'll give a couple of mine. Like I think stall has an opportunity to do well in Europe. I mean certainly, you know, the larger the tournament, you know, the the more possibility for you know, just random kind of archetypes to rise up and like your level, your quality of player on the whole in these larger tournaments is going to be lower, certainly in these, you know, kind of first few rounds. So if you can get into day too with a stall archetype like there might be some possibility to go far there. And then another one, I think is is players have been trying it out. Hasn't really ramped up in terms of in terms of popularity. But that might be a whims Oficot v Star, I was going to certainly, yeah, whims God just having having that attack. You know, it's a solid option in terms of B star be star attacks. I actually think HBO was like not Suchual, like like just by it virtue of it's the trick wind. Yeah, but I actually think it's best our powers. Pretty good. H Right, exactly. Yeah, so I don't hate what was of cot they'd be honest. It's just I don't think we've it's been truly optimized yet. You know, we saw we saw it make a run and Palow, but it doesn't feel like it's all the way. They're quite yet. It's definitely something I want to experiment with, something I intend to experiment with a little bit more prior to prior to Europe actually kicking off. Yeah, Nice, I actually am. I am a little colder on on a non whims of coot rogue ideas, but I think what was got's is a good like starting point. We ended up like deep in the zone like two days ago. We're talking about like shadow rider, and then was like, Oh, why are we ramping up one hundred and fifty on third three like that probably isn't good. I don't think decks like ice rider or very good either. Sure, honestly, I think the Lucaro Card is a card that has some potential, not on its own, but like maybe there's an arcus variant that like utilizes you Carreo. Well, sure, that's kind of like the extent I really do want to break the jolty on card, the jolty on with the memory capsule, but I have yet to figure out a way to cram it into a deck and have it work. Yeah, that'd be tough. It doesn't play Untelly on right, right, unless you're doing something crazy, playing shopping center. But so it needs to be a deck that is not using a telly on. It has to be relatively straightforward strategy and it also needs to be a deck that's consistent enough that you can both not play in telly on and have this random like one, one with tools type sussing in your deck. And it's pretty hard to like check all those boxes, to be honest. Yep, but man, absolutely it'd be so such a flex to lay down your gold memory capsule on stream. That's what I'm saying, man, the guy in man. Yeah, are like, you know, the other the other gold card that I bought thinking that, Oh yeah, this could be really cool is like heroes metal, you know. It's just like you buy these cards and you're like, Oh yeah, it's gonna be so cool when I'm gonna be able to show it off like in the finals, like everyone's going to be watching it. I got my gold swag of this really niche card. Ever, usually doesn't end up like that. I do want stall to be good. I mean stall is giving me like, some pretty good results and historically, but I haven't quite been able to get what I want out of the stall decks, and maybe that's just because I haven't investigated all the weirds or cards that we can use, but it feels a little bit underwhelming against archaeus and in particular. Yeah, yeah, so I would love stall to be good. I think there's definitely a framework now for stall and I have played a decent amount of the stander deck, but hasn't gotten all the way there for Starkius for me. Yeah, especially if they play quick shooting. Yeah, that seems very hard. If they play quick shooting, you have to have Altaria, swablute pot helmet, gorvous, man of fee IMPLA and Cinchino as well.

Seems like a very specific boarded, a vast board, and if any of it gets gusted here and a really fast that's funny. Well, good. I think that was a good overview of what you know, what kind of we're high on, what you know we like, what maybe we don't like. And Yeah, it'll be just again interesting to see what comes up it not only this weekends more tournaments come in, but next weekend in Europe. Absolutely I am so, so excited, not only it's just a player and not only as someone who's just traveling to Europe to have some fun, but it's just so exciting to see these big tournaments come back and the energy around pokemon cards feels like it's definitely been livened up, I would say, in the post return to real life play. You see people getting so excited about playing and metagaming and their decks and a cat's knocking down a cop in my kitchen and you it's energy that I haven't really felt from the community in online era, not to say that people were excited about online events at all. Yeah, it's just like there's a new livelihood to the game and it's really awesome. Yeah, absolutely. Well, very good. So we'll be cheering on here from the state's Riley. Maybe I'll make it over to an international championship. That's Wot I mean. Obviously there's London, right, so I'm trying to I'm trying to live it up, and that's not an international championship, right. No, no, we're going overseas. In any case, we're going to be cheering you on here, Riley. Best of luck. I know it's still you know, we can have Hawai, but best of luck and can't wait to help you kind of choose those those final few cards. Thank you so much, man, and I'm I'm looking forward to the experience and now I'm looking forward to it to share now that experience with everyone here as part of the TAG team community. Awesome. Well, that's our episode for today. Guys. Thank you so much for listening. We really appreciate the listenership that we get here week after week on tag team. Thank you so much for making the community what it is. Thank you so much for making the podcast what it is. We wouldn't be able to do the things that we can do, the the sponsorships that we have without you, guys. So thank you so much for listening. If you'd like to leave a rate and review on your favorite podcasting platform, that would be greatly encouraged. That helps other people know what they can expect when they get into the podcast. That obviously raises our ranking in the in the SEO of each different podcast application, which is really helpful for new players to find our casts. So if you wouldn't mind leaving a review, that greatly, greatly helps us. Raley, we have some social medias that people can get involved in as well, so why don't you tell them about that? Absolutely if your fans are the cast. The good news is that JW and I both have a social media presence, primarily on twitter, and so you can find me at smiles of Riles, jaw at Real John Walter, and the cast at tag team Pokemon. Be Sure to follow all these accounts for epic tweets, tournament updates and general updates for what's going on in the cast, in our lives. Rights. Yeah, and baby photos to and a door, horrible little baby photos. I have every right to say it, even more than JW, because if JW says it, you know it's just like whatever he hits his baby. So I think she's objectively like, pretty discute. She's can yeah, she's sure, for sure. And if you're a fan of the cast and you want to see and be a part of the experience, the podcast records live every single week on twitch dot TV. You can find it at twishtv slash munder most weeks, and JW also has a twitch channel where he'll not only host the cast but he does great content throughout the week, and you can find him at flex daddy righteous on both whitch and Youtube. Awesome. Thank you, guys once again for listening today. Will catch you on the next one. Thanks so much. Peace. Take.

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