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Season 4, Episode 34 · 2 months ago

4-34. Knights of the EUIC Round Table Discussion

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

With Riley off drinking and partying in Europe, JW carries this episode of Tag Team with the first ever round table discussion. JW is joined by top players Andre Chiasson, Frank Percic, and Pearce Wilton as they discuss how they've prepared for the tournament and what they expect to play against at EUIC.

Hey guys, welcome back to tag team, the POKEMON TCG's Premiere podcasting duo. I'm JW Cree Wall and normally I'm joined by Riley Hulbert, but he's out repping the podcast rapping full grip games at the European International Championships. Now, these start on Saturday, Friday, Saturday Sunday, but he went a little early so he could drink beer with Andrew, Natalie and Frankfurt. I'm so jealous, I'll be honest, but I know he's having a great time and he's going to do so well during the tournament. We're so proud of him. I'm so proud of them here at tag team. It's going to be great. But for the first time ever in tag team Pokemon podcast history, we have a round table discussion. So I'll be joined by three players who, some of whom are going to the European national championship, some of whom are not, but let's introduce them now. So our first player today is Andre Hchias and currently in their fourth competitive season, sitting at eight hundred and eighty one CP, trying to make a run for a top sixteen placement this year. They're most known for playing extremely Vanilla dex, with little the DOTEX, relying fully on their play to carry them through any tournament, going to be attending EU. See and Andre I hear that you're going to be flying out tomorrow at about six PM. And Yeah, you haven't packed. That is that's that's what I said and nothing's changed. We also are joined by frank person, who's been playing it's two thousand and sixteen after qualifying for day two of world's as one of the top sixteen North American players. During their first full season in one thousand seventeen and eighteen, he's enjoyed competing with fun and creative decks. Hopes to have another big season, as he was kind of on track to before play stopped in two thousand and twenty. Welcome on in, frank, thanks gram. We also have Pierce Wilton. Pierce started playing at the start of sun and moon and as a senior, and he's going to be providing us our kind of European flavor. Congratulations of peers who finish in the top thirty two at the last Liverpool Regional Championships, the last major tournament in Europe. So welcome on in, Pierce. Rank you. So we're going to kind of go over the cast today. Here's the the outline for our discussion to night. Our first half going to be talking a little bit about personal preparation of what each player is doing to prepare for the European and International Championships. Andre and frank are both attending EU, I see, and Pierce, fortunately, has had to back out kind of last minute due to some some unfortunate you know, being a student is hard, right, piers, if I could have scould be examines that. I've been there. Yeah, there you go, there you go. So we'll talk a little bit about personal preparation for this tournament and then on the second half of the cast we'll talk about the Meta and what we expect to be some of the most played decks, what we expect to see in terms of some of the text that people will play. Some how past results will affect this international championship and so forth. So, Fellas, how are you guys preparing this for this tournament? What was your thought process coming into the European National Championship? So, for Andre and frank, both North American players, are you going to be flying or across the globe to play in this. I see. And you know, what kind of was your preparation heading into this tournament, because you don't want to waste all that time, all that money going over to Germany and have nothing to show for it. So how are you preparing for this tournament? Frank you, have you been to Europe before for a tournament? Yeah, I competed in USC in two thousand and eighteen. I went to London and that was that was my first day to and that was my first time really traveling internationally for a tournament as well, and so I'm hoping same thing. First big term of the season, first international trip. That was like my stipend year as well, and that kind of...

...like snowballed as well. You know, you get all the La a top one hundred twenty eight at us see is the same thing as a top eight at a regional and so you go to European tournament, you get all these points, you get the next stipend, get paid to go to the next international and so hopefully, you know, that's kind of how like your season to work out. So for me, this will be my third international tournament. What about yourself? This is my second of the season. I actually went down under to Australia, a Oh how you're inbred's back and last of that before you know, we had that break. But my first time in Europe. That's why I asked, because I guess my preparation is a little bit different for this, because I think it's the one and most intimidated by, just like the European players themselves, and Meta game being so drastically different than what we see in North America. Yeah, talk a little bit about that and maybe pierce, you can offer some insight. Like what do you feel is different from, you know, the way that European players play the game and build list as opposed to the way the North American players play the game and build this from what I couldn't just this is just going from Salt Lake and Liverpool. A lot of European players went to play you as opposed to counter it. So I'll feel as if, almost over instalt late people wanted to build something that out take the metal where is over here. We Sawt of just go okay, we're going to play the same fifty seven, fifty eight cards of mew artist and telly on and that's it, and it's you going to be playing therrors all day and where I'll feel that can become a very boring that own and a very predictable, predictable matter. Sorry, but then over there I'll feelings of people on. There's a scared to tech for things like Ian Rob with the checkmate that sort of thing. HMM. But I feel that was a very busy thing, because you can have people playing duns bars the big Montrez. I don't feel as if that's the biggest counter to me, if there is, but he played it well enough and teched it enough to wait beat stuff. They beat me. It could be alsous, whereas over here we go it's but like for me at Liverpool in the mirror it was I was playing against the guard. Never met before. We were playing the same sixty cards and it was that's just how the stuff is over here. We're all vary in terms of light. This is the safe pink or you try and go light above everything where no one's heard of it, like Sander playing stall. No one thought it was good in this matter. took its top a. But no, it's like no one's tested against it. So I feel as if we test super heavily into these things, as everyone does but super heavily into our stuff, such as mew and Nausis in this format where, you know, they just too reliable decks, especially now that you know with the changes in steppings and stuff like that, I think people now just want to play safe picks over here. That's the general consensus of what I've got off people that I've spoken to, what I've been seeing at Liverpool locals stuff like that. Yeah, that's side. So I would agree with that too. I think I can be American then a game. I think a lot of Americans are just very APP to be a little more risky with like how they build their decks and just what they choose to play, and I think that's due to a lot of reasons. I think like in America especially, like you get fifteen regionals like throughout the year, and so it's, you know, a lot easier to just go to so many tournaments that if you want to play something a little more unique, where you want to play something, you know, try something out or something...

...that's a little more kind of out there, you can like afford to do that same thing with like cups and challenges and things. are going to know this. Obviously not in Europe, but especially in Australia, like cups previously or like a huge deal of like getting those. Obviously you want to go and compete in that. You can't really afford to kind of gamble, whereas like here in the US it's like cups sometimes previously lyrically diamond doesn't, and so you know, you can really the metagame can afford to be a little more fluid than it is in overseason like different areas. I think the other thing that contributes to that is like the size as well. I know obviously registration caps aside. I'm sure we'll talk about that at different point here, but I know even previously, I'm we've had American regionals, Riley one, I think, still the biggest American regional right. How don't how many people that was. Like, yeah, it's like over eleven hundred. I think there's like one hundred twelve hundred people, whereas in an even like an average American regional for solid season is probably like what like five, six hundred people at least. Yeah, easily, easily just as an average, but I mean seven hundreds like not heard of either. And so, like in the UK, I'm feeling like what's an average regional? Probably three or four hundred. Maybe we are foo around that number. So I think because the pool is smaller, you the the decks that you're going to play or a little more confined, and so I feel like you have to be a little more, a little more concise with what you're playing. are a little like you're saying, like a little more I don't say boring, but it just like a little more, a little less fluid or a little more constructed. Let's well it. So you just said you might get ten plus regional to season. HMM, if we get full, were explited. Yeah, exactly. Then you're, though, right, because even in America, like there are only so many regionals, like obviously the I. When I say this year, I mean like this second half. Yeah, up here, because a lot of people, I think, are in like the mid halfway, maybe over the halfway point of their invite, like they a lot of those people are banking on like the one or two regionals that are close to them and then their locals are Lea Challenges, are league cups. Those aren't there anymore. So it's interesting. I would have thought more people would go with safe picks, but maybe it's just like the overall attitude that people have for the game in North America is like fundamentally different. Yeah, I think it might just be like a cultural thing that's kind of just been ingrained right over like the last couple of seasons. It's just like I'm like at competing in American I mean I'm just like used to it being like, you know, in my nine rounds, like I'm definitely used to playing like probably four or five different decks are like not knowing what to expect or having like weird tax or like our SI's gang are and being in the finals and like all the seat crazy stuff, and so I feel like that's just not like a something that is just like so normal that that, I think that just like has a ripple effect on how the Meta is, which is like probably a lout be different from how it is over and it's okayre and so that. Yeah, so then I'll ask the follow up question then for Andre and frank. Have you guys been testing kind of more out of the box list like where are you add in terms of the the types of listen you're playing? Are you playing very kind of standard things and you're going to go to the I see with a standardized list or you playing something maybe a little bit more crazier, or at least testing kind of some weird ideas out. I think for me, like I definitely always stick to and I honestly identify more with European style of deck building and playing. I always kind of stick to something consistent, something like I'm comfortable with and I feel like I can play a hundred ten percent, but it doesn't mean like I don't test other things, because I think it's important to like actually test against them. Right a lot of people look at testing is like, okay, I'm testing me you, I'm testing all of these matchups against the decklists that are out there. But if you're not like actively trying to improve those decklists or look at what people are doing,...

...it kind of you kind of get to like a stale point where it feels like you're not actually learning anymore. And I think like even over the what we've had four regionals now, the the Meta Games actually evolved quite a bit and I think a lot of that is due to Arcis. I think it's one of the coolest cards we've ever had and just completely blew the format wide open. Yeah, it's so versable. Right, you can say, even even though we may, we may look at your up and be like all the they like and then the stipeend thing, right. That's another good thing to bring up, right, like people kind of want to get their safe points. are going to play something, say, if they're comfortable with and they're not really trying to go to win the event, but they want to get one hundred and twenty eight right, so they get there the same as a top eight. It at regional's right. They may be looking at it that way. Yeah, overall, for me I kind of stick to playing the vanilla decks, but I will like kind of go to my comfort zone as far as like testing against things. So my formula form every tournament and enter, you know how big the tournament is or what I'm doing. For the most part, I'll find a deck that I'm learned, that like the one that we know is good but I'm very comfortable with, or one that I can I'm comfortable bringing to the tournament and then have that in my back pocket and then spend my preparation time trying to find like these pockets in the minute where I can play something that's a little more unique or little unexpected or something that's a different and so I've I would say that I feel like that I'm like pretty known or pretty like acknowledge, or people tell me at least that I they like could say that's to me. For sure. They definitely expect me to play something a little bit off the beaten path. For sure. The big deck that I've been playing this format was ARCI's flying on and that was one that I like just had with the order but chanmomatics and all that. I've built that like from scratch and brought it to the first full group tournament and then people brought it to Salt Lake with this Santa Conda and then that kind of evolved into so these other decks. I got played in. A couple of people were playing it in like various tournaments. So I've been working on that deck for a while. I have a new deck that I've been working on for like three weeks straight. I put in like three hundred games with it. I'm super proud of it. I'M gonna play. I have the sixty sleeved up. I'm like in between the one or two cards, but I'm like going to be bringing into you I see it's going to be super cool. At I expected to do really well, so I'm ready for that. I'M gonna leave it at that. I'm want to tease everybody a little bit. You'll have to wait to see what it is, but I expect, I'm hoping to do like super super wealth. It's hopefully it'll like. I think I might already know, but I think we do know. I WON'T LA FRAG I won't like. I talked to Andrew about it. I'm sure Andrew told you about it. Well, so, okay. Well, I won't divulge any secret. We can talk after the cast. But but yeah, I mean I think it's really kind of an knows as well too, because I've been worn. No, I've no idea. It's it's it's really an understated skill with IRL events, coming back to have this hidden decklist and be able to, you know, bring a list to an event that nobody's ever seen before. That's a that's a really big advantage that you have now. And so you know, frank like, there there is you know, you're validated right in kind of your quest for for, you know, something spicy, right. You're validated in that because it's hidden decklist. So you might honestly, just because you're playing something rogue or something interesting like, you might be able to win a couple of rounds just on that fact alone that the other person doesn't know either a standardized version of what your list might be. You know, for instance, you probably has, you know, fifty six cards or you know, something like that. That's very standardized and they can generally play around and figure out what you might...

...have for the next turn. But if you're playing something weird, playing something different, you're not going to be able to predict as well. So there's certainly some value there. So it sounds like, frank you have a deck in mind. Andre I don't know if you have a deck in mind. Pierce, I'm sure you had some my decks in mind that you were going to bring to EU. I see. Yeah, so what pretty confident in you? Yeah, sure it, sure it's the safe take. So at this point, if you have kind of a choice locked in or at least freshen your mind, what would make you switch? Because we are this is Tuesday, so we're, you know, only a few days before the events week of what would make you switch decks at this point? If you have one in mind. I've kind of developed this philosophy after my first couple of years of playing, where I kind of found a trend where every time I changed my mind last minute, or last minute could be like the day of a couple days before, I would always tank. So my general rule of thumb is two weeks before the tournament I know what deck I'm playing and one week before I know the list. Okay, I don't know if that's good. It's just kind of what I've done myself. It doesn't mean that that's going to be like that forever, but it's usually like even like a couple weeks before, even a week before, like I think now. Maybe it wasn't exactly two weeks before locked into what I'm playing, but it was down to two decks for sure, and that was mew and Jeeltie on where the Choo that I honestly at any point maybe a little bit of arcs. It's just something where I know that I'm not going to dedicate the time to do like what frank does. I'm not. That's just not me. I'm not an innovator when it comes to deck building or even just like reinventing the way that we play the game. I kind of like define something. It's consistent and just instead of having a backpos bucket deck and then put it three hundred games into a new deck, I'm putting like five hundred games into like one single deck and just trying to get in as many games as possible to actually switch. I think at this point I'm pretty locked in, especially with everyone's saying here. It's kind of making me feel even more confident with what I'm going with. Yeah, I I hate to switch my deck at the last minute because there's that's that unnerving feeling of which like, Oh, I didn't test this enough, or do I know what I'm doing? Am I gonna be able to figure it out? I'm not. Stay Imn Chann. I can't just pick up a deck with never don't not even know it, like all the cards are in it, and just play it and then, you know, toping the thing. So it'd be pretty tough. I think a scenario that would make that happen is if you start to hear whispers of all there's all this you know, trying to think of like something. It's in the format. Like dull minds just like huge tomorrow you're was like talking about don't ones coming on and I'm just saying your your whole dex week to grasp. My God, that like, Oh wait, what don't we told me something like that? Silly like that, or like with it really make you change, though, like at this point and you're playing. If I'm like really convinced, if I'm just like in the hall, the problem there's like the all run. I like people. I'm seeing people played the mines and my friends are like yeah, Anykay, but how any deck? Like so it's'll pull. It's a totally DEALMA's is the secret decks. Are they going to be playing in the hotel lobby the night before? Well, so, I good thing say. I'm just through down mys out there. So I mean, like a good example of that now would be like are she's liking rock? Right. So, I don't know if you've seen Arkis like a rock deck or look, you've probably heard of it. You've seen it being played it online tournaments. It's fairly new. The really the lists are still being kind of confined and nobody really knows where it sits on the men. At least I don't, and I was when you get to the tournament and it's like, you know, the term is not for another two days and...

...you need there's. Ours is like a rockets a playing. We figured it. Lea did that. This list gout out and so it's so posted on Youtube and everything talking about it in all the art. Until him, players are on Lin Rock and if you're deck is like really bad, it's Arcist, like a rock, then it's just throw it out and you know, see it rich testing the lobby and all your friends heard from Soandso and this person heard from you know that in that it would be like a scenario. But I just used down my because, like, notice serious, because I've just found it like it's very easy to get bated by stuff like that. Oh, I've done that before too, for sure. Yeah, where you make that switch? I just feel like overall it depends who are. Like. I'm someone who, if you had me deck, like I need to play it a lot to yeah, and the more confident in my ability to be prepared for event rather than being like I'm so good at Pokemon, I can pick up any deck and just play it like does is not like my strength as a player. So I don't think there's ever a scenario where I'm just going to like hard switch because I hear anything like that the others. That's a less concern of the other scenario where I actually have done that before is either might your friend, you get to hotel room, your friend has a deck, everybody's around watching just smack and deck after deck after that, like just can't lose Ny. You never seen this deck before. They built in a way. You haven't seen it and nobody knows about it and you're just like Oh, you have to play this and you search for cards for it. Like that has gotten me to switch the deck before. We did that. For it was for Virginia regionals, like twenty eighteen or two thousand and nineteen. It was the Quarantina Malmar deck. People I was driving up with from Ohio, Justin bookeder most notably, and I were in the car talking about it and like he had heard about it from our friend aut of on and somebody else. I don't remember exactly, like the pipeline of how it got there what we were talking about in the car, and we're like building it theoretically, when you have all these cards. We get to the hotel and it's like nine pm and had like a weird lit we hadn't figured out the list yet, and they like go to bed and then I hit up my friend from like Salt Lake City or Denver, who's from Denver, shouts by Dallas and his name is Dallas. He's from Denver. That's a sorry clarify a good part. And I just go into his hotel hell room and we play games until like like two in the morning and just testing like these matchups and I was just like, yeah, we're around this tomorrow, like, screw it, I was going to play it like something else. I was like I was gonna play like Nightmarch, really something that I was, you know, just as or or or something like kind of boring like that. And creed amount our day too, like top sixty four, thirty two or no, yeah, I got nineteen of the other tournament. And so, yeah, that is another example of that. So those are, I think, two scenarios that I would change, but because it is gonna highly like yes, yeah, I think that. Just play whatever you're most confident in today. If it's not, it's used to under it, but you're confident in something that you've tested loads and it might be run of the mill, but you're confident in it. Yeah, but, Frankie, more confident in maybe thinking of something to where you can go. It might not be generic the on. Confident in how this works. I'm confident in what it does and yeah, yeah, for sure, I think just the only way. I think sometimes switching deck is a pod option, especially because you know what have, you're confident and you can to have tested right, and I'll feel like you just have to stick to that, yea, stick to your rooms. I feel want to identify like your strengths as a player to yea, like a frank is, yeah, for sure, switching you well, I go from it, like I just know that I'm not like when I take a deck to a tournament, I opened up my deck box round...

...one, like I do not play the night before because I just feel like the like if you, if you test a law, you'll know that you may have days or like maybe hours or maybe days in a row where your you lose confidence and a deck because you have a bump, couple unlucky games, a ROUV. You Play Online tournaments, you play three tournaments and a day and it goes very, very poorly, and then you're like, oh no, this deck's not good, where if you test for a very long period of time, it gives you a little more confidence and knowing like okay, Pokemon is a game with like like variability, right, like you're not going to get the same outcome every single time. So I try to like not beat myself by listening to people to night before, not beat by playing the deck. And I'm breaking ten games in our own being like screw it, I'm going to play something else because I'd already put in likely dozens or hundreds of hours into play testing before. But if you can do that, like I guess I would be. My best piece of advice for people is like identify, like what are you doing at tournaments when you're most successful, and try to replicate that as much as possible. I think it should clarify to the other thing is like in those scenarios where, like you're changing deck, like I was not super confident in my deck beforehand, so I was like very like absolutely, give me a new deck, like I'm yeah, yeah, so like for this you ORC like you could not give me a change my neck in a millionaires, like I'm good to go. So it's like if you're super confidented deck, like you're saying, just like play that hundred percent. If you don't want to know what to play, like you probably heard this on a hundred different people say this, but like go with what you know, like whatever you're comfortable with, even if it's not the best deck Informat, or people are saying, Oh, this is the best act, or you need to play one of these two decks if it is the one that you were most comfortable with, like that is what you are going to do this with a hundred percent. That's really great advice, guys. That is, you know, for anyone listening to the cast that might be going to us see. I think there were some really juicy nuggets in that discussion. So, speaking of Juicy Nuggets, the podcast is sponsored by Manscape. We Are Presented by manscaped. We are so thankful to be partnering with Manscape to bring you, you know, these amazing products, the best products, I would say, for men's below. The waste rooming tag team has been working with Manscape for, Oh, the better part of half a year and we just love the feel and the quality of these products. I know Riley has talked about bringing his boxers he's probably wearing them right now, honestly, if I had to guess, because they are just so comfortable. He packed his, you know, ear and nose hair trimmer. I have been using that, you know, all this week as I'm going to you know, staying at home getting my self groom on, and so we are so happy to be partnering with manscaped here to bring you guys the best of the best in grooming. So if you'd like to get in on the manscaped craze and support the tag team podcast, you can do so by going to manscapecom Using Code Tag team for twenty percent off plus free shipping. I use the products, Riley uses the products. We've gotten a lot of really good feedback from players in the community. I know that tag team. You know the Manscape just put out some deodorant, which you know I just say, and events are coming back, so you want to be able to smell your best. So Manscapecom Code Tag team twenty percent off plus free shipping. Manscapecom Code Tag team twenty percent off plus three shipping. Now let's shift our focus to the Meta. I mean we've talked a little bit about personal preparation and I think pierces, would be a really great time for you to kind of chime in on what the European players are probably going to play. I mean, obviously it's impossible to say, you know here's exactly what everyone's going to play, right, but just to give us some of that insight on what you know your mates have been thinking about bringing and what we might expect here at the European international championship from the Europeans. But what do you guys think...

...are going to be some of the most played decks? That might be a little bit of a loaded question because he's like, okay, mew, archis, Malamar probably is just about everybody's top three. But I think there's some variation in there, you know. Would you say that it's the Malamar with in telly on? Would you say that it's the Archais with, you know, a bunch of text or with dark pokemon or very vanilla? And you know, is there anything special? That will happen with me? So kind of give me some of these. What are some of the most played decks that you would expect to see over the course of the weekend? We'll start with you, pierce, and then frank and Andrea, go ahead and happen. I think that all see this is going to be the most played in general as an artist something, because it's just versatiles and it's one of the most versatile cards, that's say the Games ever had in terms of you can splash it with front was said Dulmis just for example. You know you can go, okay, I'm going to work a three, three artest line or forty three, a two, two of them. EISE. You've got a deck. It can work, I think. And I think people are just going to look to find maybe a new partner for it, such as me, be a like and rock, find a sixty that books, maybe a delmoise. We don't know. It might be there, but I think ll see is is going to be. It would be my top contender for most played. Then you, because I feel as if new is Jo some people are close to the room byte the sort of just want to go. I'm going to play this safe. Pick the guarantee in my invite. It might not get in to win the tournament, but I'm gonna, you know, place with this day because it's a good deck, right, because I think you know, with the deck like mew, you know you're if you were to take me, it's obviously, in my opinion, one of the most broken just decks in a vacuum like ever created, in terms of the draw power, whatever the power level, you know, consistency, all this stuff. But because it's so good, it has a target on its back. Right, pretty much everyone has to have some kind of answer. It might be a soft answer like a path of the peak, or it might be a little bit harder answer, like a baby multus, but every deck, it needs a way to at least, you know, be able to steal some games against you, if not have a favorable matchup against me. So you're just going to walk into this tournament having, for the most part, very few free, easy matchups. Right. So you know, like you said, you know you're going to be playing a deck like me, but you're going to be under the gun every single round. It might be the safest choice in terms of it's very consistent, very powerful, you can beat anything, but you're going to have a target on its back, right. So that that's certainly tough personally. Or if FIL is, if puff to the pain is muse big, it's counter in terms of bully. Yeah, it's you know, you don't need to. It's not an evolution, it's nothing. You can go shady dealings for it. Just for example. It's a way to get out and if they can't point, it looks you out of the game because he can't do what the deck it sent it around, which is to draw call. It's sure. But then with the Muse, biggest counter being a card which you you're going to play count stadiums. I've seen some people go to five. They're not worried about it. Don't know if that's the right answer, but it's easily will not easily played around, but it can be played around. But if you can wrote on phone stadium to the top of the deck and then that makes judge a slightly better answer. But if you play in a high stadium, count for Crumbs. I've...

...found helps right and I just think that with people they need to a heavy path if they want a good chance at being me. Maybe three, possibly for because it is the biggest counter. If you can go first and go okay, I'm going to find a path attached to an artist. I could play an artist entirely. I'm just for example, you're in a very good spot there to where they can't do anything if they don't have a stadium providing. That's going first, of course, sure, sure, but it's the only real way I see anything beating you. But then I feel we can get yeah, a couple things that added that because I agree with a lot of it. I think the thing about the path, I guess like my I guess like the tier list of ways. The counter me is like path and I baby moltras for me or like the two best things. Yeah, but I think when you talk about like the stadiums and the Road Tan phone, I think it's very funny that the format has got to a point where people are playing an objectively worst card than Marnie and judge. Just for the scenario that your opponent row Tom Phones a card to the top of their deck. That could be a stadium, it could not be a stadium, and you're choosing to draw less cart like obviously it's now random. It's not controlled like Marnie, where you won't draw back and like we know what judge does. I just think, yes, that's a big thing right, like when we talk about you having the biggest count or target on its back. I don't like the what's going to be the most popular. I think a hundred percent arcs x will be the most popular. But if you look at like, especially like on limitless and stuff like that, as far as like, if you're just saying one specific archetype, if you're putting arcs and telling on in its own bracket, arcs dark or the burrs or arcs like and rock, all separate, like me will a hundred percent be the most popular deck. I would be so unbelievably surprised if it wasn't. However, Arcis, with anything, will be the most popular overall. That's what I doubt it would be different. I don't know. I'ven't put too much thought into it, but I just think it's it's interesting because you talk about like all the ways or like the Meta game, and people in general discuss the best ways to counter me, but ARCS is really to a point where you can't actually, other than playing a fighting attacker, just straight up counter arc that. Well right, because they could play whatever they want. Right the done sparse is is standard at this point, but there are so many options for cards to planet. If you're like one step ahead of a metagame, to have an answer to what these counters. Maybe is a lot easier, like if you're someone who is one step ahead and likes to to Meta game and make good calls, arcis definitely lends itself more to those players and something like me. So so I actually think that. So I don't know if so I'll break in here and just say so. I don't know if anyone saw. Two days ago Arcaneine released for the first time all of the regionals deck met at data for the first time for the season. So it had all of the deck archetypes from each regional tournament so far in the season and like what people were playing. So I don't know if anybody saw that yet. So I was coming through that and you was played at a much higher rate than I expected based on how it finished like throughout the tournament. And so for the and same thing, with like a couple of weird things, like there was a lot more gang are in some like Brisbane and Liverpool as well, and then then, you know, saw like day two and I'm interested in that as well. So I think that they're for this tournament. I honestly...

...think there will be like a ton of mew like more than like people are expecting, which is already a lot like when you say like arcs plus x will be the most played deck. I think we let might actually be better run for its money. I really do. I think one of the biggest things is a lot of the initial conversations about this Meta is that after saw Powell regionals, kind of our ARCIS and telly on really really kind of came into the forefront of the Meta and, like a lot of the medicines then, has really been shifting to like this anti arcis and kind of slowly, slowly trickling like away from you, and so I think that will get a little more me because of that. And I think the other thing is that players are starting to start, I think a players are starting to shy away from Malamar as well, slowly, and I think by the time we get to ear see those Malamar players are going to need to migrate somewhere, and I think you is just going to be very big magnet for for a lot of players as well, and I think the Meta is like really consolidating for all these like weird, like one off decks like that a lot of people are playing previously, like Joel Tean and Artis Drout on. I think we're really seeing it just like a ton of art season Telli on a ton of me and I think mew is just going to attract like a lot of a lot of people for this tournament. So I expect to be like thirty, thirty five percent of the tournament to be me players sleep. Noah, go ahead and sorry. Yeah, I think I think that's a really good point that you bring up about Malmar. I've been playing that, a couple of you know, for the last couple weeks. I've been a little underwhelmed. Like it's certainly like the high roll deck. That can get you there if you draw everything in the right order, but a lot of the Times you're drawing the cards that you don't necessarily want early and that can cost you really big especially in matchups like mew or. You need to hit. You know that three hundred and twenty number or three, you know, forty, I guess, if you factor in the or Choreo like on those very specific turns to try to take advantage over your opponent. So I think the new players are getting a little bit wise. I've been playing weird things like Marnie in my in my mew and avery and Mimu to try to, you know, even further disrupt decks like Malamar that like to fill their bench and like to fill their hand. Same with arcis right, they can build a bench and fill their hand. They like to do that. So those cards are pretty impactful those matchups as well. So I do feel like me, you has a pretty favorable not extremely favorable, but, but, but, you know, people have figured out how to play mew into the Malamar where it feels like Malamar is kind of a trap play at this point for Europe. Yeah, it's definitely not as well positioned as it was. I some think it's a fine play. I think, yeah, I agree my wre it's it's totally fine play. I just think, especially, I really think what's doing in right now is the RCC talion. I think that, yeah, bit charm. Three hundred and ten HP on a two prizer that can Sharon's care itself up is like really bad. For that's and I can ba for everything. Really like that's like one of the most like powerful things in the format, even like against mew, and I get it wasn't that that big charm on the arcs, like having the commit so much to take two prizes of a three hundred tennys P pokemon like. I don't know. Yeah, so. So that kind of brings me into another question. We're talking a lot about. You know, these these tax and you know certainly our key is having your big charm is like one of their one of their tax that they're playing just to increase HP. Would you expect something like tool scrapper or tool jammer to be featured at all in any deck to try to counteract the the big charts of our key? Looking me playing a tool jammer? Uh Huh. But the aim of musicame nine cent of the time is to try and get big old codes. In my opinion, you go, you know, you've got your buffers and you can do all of this stuff. Like don't know if the tool jummer's worth it, especially because if you don't get the oak they just go with Sharon's care. Sure I think you're best off to...

...get the extra thirty off the belt to sort of neutralized the big charm almost. And Yeah, today he's still a lot to hit in terms of life. You don't know. Full fusion energy on built on board could be a mark to commit to three tablets, depending on board states whatever, but I feel as if it's an okay inclusion, but not like Meta define it should or sure. I don't think there are a ton of decks that, like we're tool scrapper really makes a lot of sense, right, because I it'steally for if we're just specifically talking about big charm on Arcis, right, like where are you doing? Two hundred and eighty HP or two hundred and eighty damage? We're like you need like the three ten is going to be like super relevant. We're not too shotting it for three ten damage anyway. Right. With the Arcis Gang Gard deck, that made sense, obviously, because you're doing two hundred ee damage with the gang guard plus the choice belt. So that deck, playing toolscraper made sense. But like finding decks with that math is relevant. I'm not sure where that fits in. I was playing a tool jammer in Arcis drout on. I was testing a lot of ARCIS drout on for a little bit and I really liked tool jammer in that deck because you could wow blocking special energy. You could also stall air balloon, you could, you know, prevent like choice belt damage. We're putting attacks and things and it was really good in that deck. But I you know you're saying with me. You especially like if some people were playing tool jammer and you, because you don't, you know, need things like balloon and charm and all this stuff. But, like you're saying, because you're trying to take that one shot just having that that extra thirty hp where you don't have to play a tablet and I think it is just more consequential. So I don't think it's an amazing tech. I think if it makes sense in your deck, like for sure play it. Yeah, I think that's what's going to be like if someone's playing at deck where it matters for them. But I don't think it's going to be widespread. But I could be wrong. I could be totally wrong. I think I'm you. It doesn't really make sense and I'm sure someone will make an argument and tell me why I'm wrong. But really like the only reason why, at least in my testing, it would be to knock out arcis with a big term. But effectively you're doing the same thing. Same thing starts well, for sure a bell. Yeah. So are there any other text that you guys are thinking about or are thinking that other people will play? I know one that's been kind of on my radar. A lot of people in my discord have been talking about it is jolty on with the memory capsule being able to shut down all water pokemon with abilities. So things like drizzle and and Talian and artillery are some of the most, you know, widely played. You know Pokemon, the water pokemon with abilities that Joel Ting I will shut down. Are there any other text that are kind of on the radar that you feel like are going to make their way into a wide variety of decks over the weekend or, if not make their way into a wide variety of decks, at least have really good performances? Like do you feel like, you know, avery is the card that's going to be great for a lot of players? I feel like Joel Tian is going to be the car that's gonna be great for a lot of like, what are some of these texts that you guys feel are going to be played? I have to say that my discord as well is a big fan of the Joltian with the memory copsule. I am, yes, I'm in this discord, but I'm not overall a fan of it. I think it has to be a very specific deck that has the room for that and can efficiently get it out. And it is also like dealing, like they have to have a really good reason to play it. Like they're really struggling with in telling on ducks. Are Really struggling with Malamar, where they can afford to take the time to set it up and not just like confirms the game for them if they get that set up. The other one you mentioned, avery, that would have been one of the first ones I mentioned, I think, a very play as well into the entire format right now. And then another one. You're not we're not trying to like...

...just repeat everything you're saying, but like either probably a Marney and you I think you'll see a lot more of those people are a lot more of them. You players play that Malamar. Like you said, they like the stack their hand, especially, I like the Erschi Foo, kind of like checkmate deck. That's another big one where it's like they're they're going to sit there, they're going to like give you like their one prizes until they can, you know, do everything in one turn and they're going to stack their hand. If you going to Marney them on the right turn. I would assume if I'm mark you right, right, well, or really, I mean honestly, even even Archius dark decks that try to get that Clara Moultras at the end of the game right, like that's the same thing as like trying to get the two pieces or the three pieces, really, because you need to have the Moletras, you need to have the energy and then you need to have, you know, the Claire to pick up, you know, to energy right. So, and if you cancel like like training court right, that's like a huge thing. It makes it a lot more difficult. There's not every deck can just evolve into drizzle and and have it right. Yeah, a lot of decks are you like, still playing Clara, but they're not like necessarily using an Intelli on engine. So I don't know. Well, the I think avery is a big one for me. I think we'll see a fair amount of that. I think it's a very interesting card right now. Yeah, I think Avery's really, really, really good. I think if you take this, I think a reason number one tech card for sure. I think every super good against Malamar, for sure. I mean, I know we just kind of said that Malmar is on the down swing, but it's still if that's a deck that you struggle against. Right, I few Malamar. If a avery Malamar turned to after they just keep calling or brollied or whatever, like they're yeah, that's amazing. The other thing is I think that avery is a great second option against me if, like, you can't get the path out or, like you worried that they follow something on top, if you've awkwardly avery their bench away and you like force them to have to discard a jenosect because you know they're benual needs to be like Jenessic Jensic mew or Jessic Jensic Meloletta or something like that, to copy. And so if you force their drapower, now they can only draw to Jeno sex, one of which is they can only draw from to Jeno sex. One of their four is now in the disc card and they have this full hand that they need to just to start to empty out. You were again limiting their drop power, not through potentially, you know, through the use of path, but de permitting their fusion strike pokemon. I think that's something that not a ton of mew players might be prepared for, especially if it's just something that they're lea know, recently picking up or aren't, like, you know, don't have five hundred games in with the deck. Yeah, and then I think that for the guilty on I jolty on memory capsule. The voltage is great card. It is not worth three spots in any deck in the format. Unfortunately, about the avery to because we talked to earli about path and like the baby Maultras, like ways of kind of you. The thing about avery against me is like one of the most like permanent ways to just drop their board right. We're like you knows the common ways that people are going to try to interrupt their board through path, through Marnie, through setting up a Moltraz, setting up whatever attack or maybe. But like avery is one more like you're not going to give those geno sex back right. You're not going to get if you have the picture Mellowletta and your other ones probably like whatever it may be, like avery is one where you gotta you gotta really know what to Discard and know what's prize and what you can afford to have for the rest of the game. It puts you way more on the spot then something like a path right, where you know that that's coming like an avery is a card that will almost always catch you off or catch you by surprise. R I guess. Like what deck can you say confidently plays a like every list plays a very yeah, it's not really that way to head, for sure, but you can also see it...

...in any deck at the same time. So another card that was kind of toying around with was Roseanne's back up. There were certain decks, especially rcus and telling on decks, worth it. Just I couldn't fit a bunch of stuff and so I liked Roseans back up, especially in like these arecs bit barrel decks to that like aren't utilizing and telling on as much and they kind of have like more draw power and where you can like a Ford to just like play a supporter that doesn't draw you cars because you just have this like inherent draw with the barrel is playing. When if you want to play like a Rod and a pal pad and and like these recovery cards, but can't afford to fit everything, I think Rosean's backup is like a really kind of unique tool that a lot of people haven't explored yet, and I talked about it and I say tested that's very unexplored car. Yeah, same thing. I mean like you get a path back with that, which is huge because it's something like a lot of people won't expect. It is something that allows you to be like a little more flexible, maybe a little more flexible and a little more greedy with what you discarded in the early game to like set yourself up, which I think a lot of bit barrel decks, or even until you on deck like really want to do. So I think that's kind of a cool tech that. I don't think we'll see a lot of it, but it's something that I played with and some I don't. Don't hate it at all, for sure. IDEA. Know there there is a legendary online player who exclusively plays me who's been playing Rosan's back up in his list all right for them for the past like month at a bit. It every sings. He's had path in there, he's had collapsed sadiums, guys shouts Ar Bond, if you've seen them on the limitless TCGLAT. He's got the hot muless. That's awesome. That's the only deck that I've ever seen someone play. I mean it's cute. You can get back a fusion strike energy, sure, but absolutely you're not sparkling and, in all, bossing. So I have a question here about, you know, just your kind of kind of meshing what you think will be at the tournament with what you're going to play. I'm not going to ask you to reveal what you're going to play, but I'll ask what is the deck that you're most worried about playing heading into the event? So, Pierce, go first. I feel like we kind of ran over about last one. Worried about play again, yeah, worried about playing. Worried about playing against exactly. Yeah, if one was if I was going to play at all, sus sort of thing with puff. The thing that the most worried about is approbably a no foo list, because even with the doom spouse, I'll feel as if all they have to do it's out rapid flow, a done spouse and take out soble and you know, you getting rid of a lot. I'm very scared of that. Playing the Nassie's very and playing me. Scared of anything that plays path sure, because, like I just said earlier with the judge, it's a worst card than Morney. But if you phoned something to the top, that can help you not suffer from the paths badly, you know, and you lose it. It can knock you out the game. It gives you four cards. You can get everything you need off those four cards in some circumstances if you having a really good day, but then other days you can draw into something pointless and you lose a game from there. I'd also be kind of scared as anything against molly, purely because it did so well at Liverpool, because it went under the radar and people are starting to not not consider it. But it's not as scare scary anymore. People aren't thinking our. I'm going to play against for Malley, which you might not, but I...

...feel as if, because it's under the radar, people are going to play it, because in my bilt our people aren't going to tech for this because I don't think it will be huge and that might be its way back in. That's the same with jolty, or maybe frank frank and Andrea. You guys have kind of decks that you're thinking about. Again, without giving away what you're playing, what are you was worried about playing against. So I'm okay giving away what I'm playing, because I think of anyone's at the point where they're going to be influenced like by what I decide to play. Like they're just way too many people in the tournament. My options were Joelt on am so I'll kind of like look at it from that perspective. I think Joel Sion is the probably the most high risk high reward play for the weekend. I think it has a good matchup against most arcis builds, but fighting ones are becoming more popular. So Arcius like a rock arcis, Santacnda. Actually, I'll say right now I'm playing you this weekend, the Lucario. A lot of people think it sucks. I think it's pretty interesting. They're just so many fighting attackers. So like if it was playing jolts on, it would honestly be like the arcs plus. What kind of fighting attack are they going to have their deck? Because I don't think there will be too many ones that don't have you know, starts to mirror. Excuse me, as far as me you goes. Honestly, prior to this conversation, I was very worried about Malamar. My testing has been very different from you guys. I've been getting well, I guess, until this past weekend, this week and I went through K and got absolutely dismantled by Malamar and you were talking about like, Oh, you draw these hands where you know you get the wrong stuff too early. And all my testing games the past I don't know, five or six days have been just very straightforward Malamar. They're just hitting it every single turn and I think maybe I'm doing something wrong of approach. The matchup is a new player a lot of different ways, and I think again I might be psyching myself out, but I think Malamar would be the one I'm most worried about, like music deck where, like, on paper none of your matchups are good, but like you can still be anything. So I honestly would be. It would be a good Malamar player thoughts. That's what I'm afraid of. This one. I think Malmart's the game where La or a deck similar to me, you, where it's very like you can kind of just look at what's happening on your board for most of it, but if you have really good fundamentals, like you can, like you can do things with that deck that will surprise people. So could no more players. Very scary sight, for sure. I think that I'm most most worried about Sander washic playing was my absolute that's a lot. Number number one thing that I'm see one super worried about. That's number one. No control, for sure, like just in general, just written that off. It's a deck that maybe some people will play. Course Sander will play it and be there. So just like, but it's just it's such a my new possibility that it's not in factored in my testing at all. So if it happens, it happens. You know. Sure, one deck that I and I'm going to I didn't get to talk as much as I wanted to about like just the expected men. I really just talked about me a little bit. So I might sirrinkling some. Yeah, Sure, God. One deck that I think is actually really good that is not being is really underrated right now. I don't think enough people are playing for as good it is it is is probably swee coon. I think speaking is actually fairly good and I don't think it a lot of people will play it. And as one of the decks because not a lot of people are playing it. I don't...

...really I haven't really prepared to do well against it. So I would be a little annoying to pula against we coon. I would be kind of worried if I had to play like more than one during the tournament, for sure. The other thing that's worries me is, this is also something we didn't really talk about as much, is just how the mew players decide to build their deck, because I know there's a lot of different ways to build it. You can play, to say things, you can play five stadiums. I've heard people and have seen more people playing pump Kaboo and their deck, which is kind of new. I've seen, you know, there's basic energy counts and there's all special energy and there's some are playing most are playing work choreo. I don't know if I've seen any without work CHOREO. What you tool jammer is a thing in some of them. And so I think, just like with the closed decklist, just like not knowing exactly what my opponents are playing in their mew deck, got a little worried because, depending on how they build it is, you know, it's determined like how well I can do against it, and so that is something that I'm a little concerned about. And then I think the other thing under like you're saying, it's just like I'm starting to get a little less concerned about my Lamar, and so I'm starting to be a little more lenient when it comes to like how I've deciding to build my deck, you know, to prepare for it. And so if I do end up playing a bunch of Alamar and I decide not to teck against it is heavily or, you know, just like play a deck or build the deck in the way that it's going to do well against it, that might be a little concerning because, I mean really, how expecting meant it to be? Is just a ton of you, of course, Arcius Tilly on, for sure, good amount of Alamar, some jeelty on sub Mergifu, maybe some arcister out on, and like weream its week in? Well, their decks are out there. ARCI's gang are single strike gang are stuff like that. If I'm I'm yeah, there other like yeah, did not talk about because I think the thing that like maybe we should bring up again is like you cannot prepare for everything when it comes to a regional and even if there are all these decks in the format like the one, you're going to play nine of them, right, they could be seven of the same ones. They could be nine different ones. Right. So it's kind of like you you have to decide what what you want to get out of the tournament. So, liked, would you rather take something that has like even matchups? Are, quote unquote, even matchups across the boarder? Like, based on our discussion right now, I feel like, oh, honestly, like jolting on maybe like the one step ahead where maybe they're a lot of people are not respecting Malamar, not respecting sweet tune. Therefore a lot of the top players will bring those and then all of a sudden jolty on like somehow just like beat those decks and does very well. I feel like you can kind of like running circles and like kind of play games in your head about how the Met is going to shake up. But I mean, you can only do so much and I know I'm really excited for this weekend. I think. Yeah, yeah, very, very interesting, because like the four regionals we had were all one by different decks. Yes, they were all too, but different death yes. So I don't know, I think those formats good. I don't like three prizes. I've said this a couple times in my or several times in my friend group. I'm really know if it fan of the three prizes, but I think this is one of the most like diverse and like open ended formats that I've ever experienced. Yeah, I would agree. I think we're in for a really great trip here this weekend. Last question. What you know? What? What hot take do you have? You give me a really one senten on...

...any under the radar deck that you think will make a deep run this weekend? Give me like one sense on on the deck that you think is is under the radar that's gonna go beat. Also, is the Rallodom is still good? Okay, that's a heart take. Only if they play healing light, not the yeah, sure, because, Andro, what are you got? Or did he saw the stays? Sorry, where you do we take? I'll always really hyping a policies to roll it down for this. So on the top for a bit because I was like with Riley's list of one, the full grit one. K. Yeah, it was very light turbo. By turn to I'm going to have a deralidom. That can a type. I think if you go slightly slower with the ORCS Eine, still like you play your hammers, Max Potions, Crystal Caves and you saw a lot because obviously mes gone to very special energy heavy, I feel, with big CHOM's molley. Can't Ko Ko you as easily, if you scared about that, to attack he was in the first place right. So it's I'll feel as if, certain if the list is built well enough with the healing, but also in some reports where you need to be a bit quicker to maybe keep up a tempo. It's the same as every day, though it can be good if you find the optimal sixty's just trying to find it. So great dry. What do you know? It's fucking pit. Yeah, Andre, what do you have for for kind of an under of the raid under? Pretty Hottest, I think. And joelte on is like the best beer beat here deck there is. I think it's so like unbelievably strong. It's just you're okay, your matchup against like me is not that good. Not gonna lie. I did very well in Salt Lake City. I lost a one mew and I know everyone says this, but my two losses in that were both bricks and I beat every other mew out of the six I played and really looking in hindsight, it like I had to have got lucky in so many of those. It is so easy for you to knock out joelte on. It's ridiculous. But I do think Joeltian's like power level is kind of like, I don't know, it's just kind of unmatched. Like the way that it puts on pressure. I think is match up against ARC sex. If they don't play fighting, if you play jolting on properly, I think it they just destroy our siestas, they destroy speaking, they destroy Malamar. There's no reason, like, unless people are worried, because I do think that's a deck we didn't really talk about and we maybe showed up was Herche Fu. If there's not a lot of fighting, I think jolts on could you know, you get in the right bracket and you could could roll through day one. Sure. So, frank what do you got hot take under the radar deck. Someone is going to or group of people are going to come up with a very good Lucario v Star Deck that will shock the tournament. I think so it's not even you thinks it as potential. Now there's something out there. It might be like Lucario v Star, dark kind of box with some sort of weird draw engine. Or I didn't put enough time into the deck that, especially as much as I wanted to. But yeah, I obviously the psychic weakness really bad. But reminding everyone that the card is illegal for this weekend, because I heard they were like people trying to like keep it hush hushed that it was even legal for Uy. See,...

...but the Caryo v Star is legal. I guess two prizes is not free. I think people saw this week just like yeah, right. So, yeah, I tried it a little bit in the in the bedrill deck actually, but again I just I've been working on different deck that I haven't had enough time to work on it. So maybe for like Salt Lake or not Sall like baby, for like Indiar natures or something. I'll leas to try. But I think somebody who has spent the proper amount of time and after working on Lukario will get to have a very cool Ukario decond day too. For sure make it good, deep run with it, I think. Well, that's great. You heard it here first. Great Chat with you, guys. I this is really just some really good nuggets of information. Thank you, guys all, so much for joining us. We're gonna you wrap up the cast here, but I will go around the horn here, Pierce, frank and then Andre. If you have some plugs for yourself your twitters and he shoutouts you want to make. Go ahead, Pierce, if you want to fill them a t of what I'll post really about opinions and content about football. It's pits, but one too and a fault from that. Just thank you for happing. It's been really nice to show. Awesome Frank, follow me on twitter at steak frank, steak like the piece of beef frank on twitter. Excellent. Andre. I've been on active on twitter now for the past week and a half. My ad is at Andre Apocalypse. It was my Gamer tag when I was like sixteen. CLVE IT and I've held onto it for for the entire time. On a shadow my fiance Emma, who's my biggest supporter, and the squad. Who Now? No, I guess Cyrus is coming. He's part of the or they're part of the squad, but Calvin, Chris, Christian that I miss. Anyone else? I really hope you. I was going to say you better not. I just know like half of them. Their name starts with see. So well, that's great. Thank you. Guys all so much really, peers, Frank Andrei, thank you, guys for joining me tonight. This is a great cast and I hope players that you know, are either prepping for eyc are going to get some good insights or players that are going to be watching the stream are going to have a little bit more idea of what to expect. So that's going to do it for us today. Guys, thank you so much for listening to the TAG team podcast. If you wouldn't mind, if you've liked the cast and you're listening on one of your favorite podcasting platforms, please make sure to leave a rate and review. You can find myself on twitter at Real John Walter. You could find the TAG team podcast on twitter at TAG team Pokemon. You can also find us on twitch, where we stream every single Wednesday at thirty PM eastern time, over at TWITCHTTV slash manner. Thank you, guys, once again for joining us. Will catch on the next one. See it.

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