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Season 4, Episode 35 · 5 months ago

4-35. Riley's Return

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are reunited after Riley's stint in Europe! Come listen in to how the trip went, the results of EUIC and what this means for the future in Indianapolis. 

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Yo, what is up, guys? Welcome back to tag team Pokemon, trading card games for me, or podcasting duo, reunited after a week away. My name is Riley Hulbert, joined as always by my good, good friend Mr JW Curry, Wall Gw. How's it going today? It's going pretty good, man. I'm feeling a little, a little sleepy, but probably not as bad as you are. I'm, yeah, feeling not good, man. I traveled back from Germany on Monday and you know, you're traveling kind of back in time, which is definitely better than traveling forwards in time. But yeah, problem is, when I was traveling forwards in time to Germany, I had it like nothing to commit myself to rare's. The day after I traveled back here, I immediately went to work, which, you know, a moment of hindsight, I realize it definitely should have taken yesterday off and it's been a day just like sleeping and stuff, but it's chill. It's still it's been incredibly busy. So I feel just like that ill from lack of sleep. That's how I feel. Yeah, H I feel that, man, and I can't imagine like being on a plane for you know, ten plus hours is all that great, and then, yeah, it's all time change. Nine at the time, thankfully, oh, only nine at a time. Okay, well, that's way better than I thought. But I want to know, Riley, how your experience was in Germany. I had to live vicariously through the group chat, which felt really bad. I mean it felt good, like I knew you guys were having a lot of fun, but it felt bad in the sense that that you were having fun without me. So a little far. How? Yeah, how was the trip? Let's talk trip outside of Pokemon first and then we'll talk, you know, what happened in the tournament. Yeah, I mean the trip was incredible. So the group that ended up going was me, Andrew, Natalie and her friend, Tayle getimer also came along. Caleb was actually working remotely for a majority of the of the weeks, so he wasn't as involved in Oursiananigans, but pretty much every day we tried something fun outside of just, you know, testing for poke, and that was sincerely awesome. If anybody has a chance to do and I see that would be international from them. So, you know, if you're American going to U, I see or la I see or see I see. Definitely like take that extra time and kind of enjoy the place that you're going to, because it was since really a blast. So pretty much every day we try to do something fun and interesting, though. One day we went to the shopping district and Frankfurt and spent a lot of money and that was really fun. Another Day, actually a couple of different days, we went to like the Old Town area with a lot of cute buildings and would grab some beers and pretzels and just walk around all day. We've got on a boat tour one day. That was awesome. I love a good boat tour. Yes, that was a ton of fun. One of the days we took a train and went to France, and that was super cool also, just like, as stupid Americans, we were just loved the the trains and kind of the public transport element of yeah, being in Europe was so cool. So it was. It was really just awesome. Every day we had some some really good fun, a lot of great food as well really really good beer. American beer definitely stucks really okay. Yeah, well, I've never been in a really a beer guy. Yeah, I say, maybe you were able to us as a wisconstant person, but you were able to Chug down some some German bruise, yeah, some German pills, yeah, Germany. So those are all super good. Just the experience was was really, really cool. I'm also like so jealous of all these cool Europeans who are like so bilingual or trilingual. Sure, you know, they can speak English, just they can switch like mid conversation. You know, they'll start talking to you in German. You're like, you know, sorry, like I speak English, and they'll just instantly like speak fluent English or right. There's like I'm I just feel so stupid, man, like I hear you, man, I hear that I mean Spanish. But thankfully, thankfully, English is the dominant language for most of the world. So, you know, you don't have...

...to really worry about it. That's not true necessarily, man, like when I went to La I see a couple years back. Here's really just kind of playing my feel you know, a lot less English said most of the world, I would say, like Europe and like even a lot of Asian countries. They all, you know, yeah, I like definitely intend seem like they know they tend to speak like their neighboring languages plus English. Sure, sure, but it's still really impressive, like how effortlessly it felt like they could swap between the languages. Yeah, you know, like a restaurant owner would come to our table, we're obviously American, he speak to us in English and you know, without even skipping a beat, he would walk to the next table to speak to them in German stuff, you know. Yeah, yeah, I'd be super cool. So tell me about the the shopping districts, the shopping dish. Would you get? Cool I got? The main goal was to stock up on stuff. Or went to France. I got a really cool, like flower button down and some nice shorts that were nice and fitted, and those were awesome. Which one of those little boutiques you know, or someone like alls you around and helps you? We wanted to make a stop to like the really high end doors, like the big, big brands that Americans would recognize, you know, like Gucci and stuff like that. Sure, but this those stores had really long lines and also you need to know like exactly what you were going in for for them let you in, and it wasn't really designed for stupid Americans to walk around and eyeball stuff. Sure, YEP, yeah, but it was still really fun while we were there. We all got some nice fits and it was just cool. It was cool to like walk around. We got some really awesome Thai food in the area as well. There was also a McDonald's there, which was we tried not to eat the American food, but one day it was like think it was the day of the tournament even it was really late and like nothing was open. Yeah, so we had to go to the McDonald's. That was actually really, really good. Why I was I was going to ask like, did you get a kind of Americanized or Germanized American experience when I guess, yeah, McDonald's all the past. We places are definitely more of a novelty outside of the states. So, you know, they had like the make milkshake there and they had donuts there. They yeah, like hall of Heynio poppers there. It was like it's truly bizarre. Yeah, compared like the American it's like clearly McDonald still, but it was its own, it's own little thing. It was cool. I hear you, wow, that sounds really great. Well, I got a few pictures. You know, I was left in the dark for most of the most of the trip, but I got a few pictures, so I felt like, felt like I got like just enough of a taste to kind of satisfy my my urge. Yeah, it sounds like you had a great time. It was. It was super awesome and I think at least Andrew, Natalie and I are definitely looking to make this a recurring thing. You know, go to some of these U S's ocics. Ali Sees at least one of them a year. I think is what we're thinking going forward and we're already about cool things you want to do in Europe next time. So yeah, for sure, for sure. Yeah, and I guess knowing now going, you know, this time and having that week and then kind of knowing where you would want to go or what you would want to do for next time. Yeah, I make the experience even more enjoyable. Absolutely. Yeah, so definitely looking forward to it. Very cool. Well, let's talk about your tournament experience. So the rest of the cast, you know, we'll be talking about obviously what happened in U. I see from your experience. Will talk a little bit about what we've, you know, noticed just from the tournaments leading up to you. I see and also during the international what happened and then what that means for us going forward. So, Riley, walk us through your tournament. You didn't do particularly well, unfortunately, so you know, it's just it is what it is. But kind of walk us through how you felt, what deck you played and how the rounds went. Yeah, so I'll I'll open that conversation with the deck that that calebander and I chose. We played the same sixty for vmax. Yeah, how did we get there? Kind of becomes the next question. So leading up to the event, in the week leading up to u see, when we are all in Europe and and commiserating the if you hum, immediately clear, even before we had even traveled, that Archias was kind of the deck...

...to beat. Arkius was going to be the choice of the field, and that was without question. You know, after Archeus took home the DUB and South Palalow it beat, was in the forefront of people's minds that archeus decks were the best decks in the format and that was reflected as well and the online results where archias continue to just kind of dominate the scene. So we knew in our in our minds that we needed to be archis. So we tried a couple of things. All, we tried a lot of different decks over the course that the even the weeks leading up to you, I see, and none of them really really showed off like phenomenally well. What we had found was that like or Shifu was really good against Archias, and especially like the archias dark unless they play it like a hoop of e. That was like the one thing that we felt was pretty good versus Ersh, but otherwise, like the archeus decks were really struggling versus Ersh and we also thought that the Archeus Dex like truly didn't answer view as maybe as confidently as like their deck slot devotion may sure suggest it would have, which is something that we consistently like would notice an our testing, is that mew would be winning these games versus archias like more than it lost. So over the course of the week we kind of tried to prove different things. We tested a lot of womens of cod actually like if it even more than I feel like we should have, because we kept revisiting it back after it kept not doing well for us. Yeah, ultimately shelved it because we thought it wasn't very good versus archaeus. Actually we felt like Arcius could get going, that woman Scott couldn't really do anything about it and it was sure. And then you, I mean right, because you think about you know, if archias goes first and they get their first two attachments, you know that's obviously the outside of what the whimscot can handle. Like you're not blocking the double turbo if the archist that goes first and gets their attachments down. So it's like kind of our kind of first or like if they go second in trinity charge is really bad. If they melanie early, it's pretty bad. There's just like a lot of things that could go wrong, especially if they played like a very intellion looking version that that played like a choice belt. You know, if you get the choice belt down early and then can like Ping, then your one shotting the whims got says, they come up and that's just a nightmare. And honestly I think we ended up in a little bit of a feedback loop where we understood how to play the WOM's got matchup really well with me and Archaius and we found that actually the matchup was okay so we shelved that idea. We tested it like five separate times. We tested it for a bunch of games and chopped at each time, and it I kept coming back to, like mew is, the is the deck that's running this table. Mew As being the single prize decks. It was beating the oddball ideas, it was beating the archeus decks and it was beating their food deck. So our logic was, okay, well, mew is beating the fighting decks and good players are going to play fighting to be archaeus and it's being the archis decks more than it loses, despite the fact that they're playing all this dark stuff. The why would we play anything ever other than you ever, you know, if you're going to go into a format where any games are a coin flip, why wouldn't you pick the best deck in the format? Sure was was our ultimate logic, and I think the logic was pretty sound actually. You know, I stand by like I think the logic that we use to pick our deck for the tournament was not bad. Well, I remember you mentioning that you picked it along the same lines as past formats where you might have picked night march, where yeah, it's Nice Act. Yeah, you know. And so sure you might run into some mirrors, sure there might be some, you know, pretty close matchups across the board, but at the end of the day it's just the best deck and you know, as long as you pilot it well, you should have an okay time. Yeah, and I think that's a the night march comparison, I think is an appt one. You know, you can compare like Marny path to like a quaking punch. You know, sometimes smart night march would lose to just a random quaking punch, but it could also just win agains the rand. I'm quaking punch. So sure, so it felt very similar in that way. Now, the actual tournament itself went was very middling. I had a three two record when it was all said and done, and I a tribute a lot of that, honestly, to think it was even round to where I played a mew mirrors, very close game and my opponent in game three was able to get the quad tablet to Ko my Muv Max and ye had a huge I left. So I like did not think he would hit it...

...like after he finished his Jena Sex. Ye had a huge deck. Laughter. He slammed the last tablet down it like, oh, that's cool. Yep. So that was like a huge swing that, like, I couldn't really account for and ultimately like lost me that game because I whipped my tablet response. And ever since I lost that round, I ended up in the in what I would call the Archaius pits, and after round two I played I think five archias or six more archius decks the rest of the day. Sure, so every round up until round every round from round three through eight was archaeus for me, and round one was also archaeus. Wow, and what I'd I just was like was not really quite hitting what I needed. I was never stuck by path. Literally the entire tournament I was knock stuck by path. Honestly, path feels like a very fake card versus me. HMM. Well, and you guys played the Pumpkaboo. I should I should point that out. I never used it, though. Oh okay, I was both never stuck by path and never use the PUMPKA boo. Interesting. I got path a lot, but it never stayed in play. Only time. I'll keep saying this to people who will listen, because I think it's funny. The only time I passed stuck in play for a turn versus me was this one game. My opponent like got a turn one path going second with Archaeus, but I already had fusion energy and play and three on the board, or one of the board, sorry, and one in my hand. So I just use my leases in hand of all my Buv Max attached my last fusion's eighty. I had a choice belt on it as well, and I was like, okay, I got my rose tower in hand, but can you answer this without a star birth? Yeah, so it almost worked against them. Yeah, and he like scoop the next tar and it was awesome. So what really ended up being my tournament bier, though, was a the archiestecks don't freakin scoop man like, even if they're like definitely losing, they really put their teeth into it just like for love, scoop. Yeah, I got tied, or it's like yeah, I was going to win, but I need my opponent to scoop the game, the game two, so we could go to game three. And maybe they were trying to force the tie. I don't know. It didn't feel like they were. Just felt like they thought they had a chance. Until the bitter end, right. So that was tough. And also just the archais matchup, I think was I think a little closer than we gave it credit for. It was testing like really new favored for us for a couple days straight. But we also have seen them. We also had the flip side of that. For like, especially the start of the trip, we saw kind of the archaius young a lot and I think that ultimately tracked the matchup felt very, very coin flippy. I felt, I'm pretty sure, if I look at my numbers, that I won every archist where I went first and I lost or tied everyone where I went second on the coin flip and that feels like, I don't say I want to see right, but it feels like right to flip the matchup, not necessarily based on going first or second, but it feels like it's just way too close to reliably sneak it away. Sure a lot of my games were very close, like I probably could have won a lot of them if maybe I drew an extra power tablet or something like that. But you don't always draw all the tablets, you don't always draw every single out that you need. Even with, for Gena sect and play. It's just the way where it goes. Your hand can clog up. I think I would have made some changes to the mulest and hindsight, like Plut we played a lot of basic pokemon and they would clog my hand. You know, we put the for UV and then we also played the pumpkaboo. I was just it would fill my hand over time. We also played three rows tower, which is definitely the best stadium, although those kind of clogged my hand to over time and I tended to be my biggest enemy was my hand just getting too full. Yeah, and not getting a lot of value out of my subsequent genes. Sex sure what I change the list like? Probably did I play the deck perfectly? Honestly, probably not. I think I played it pretty well, but the mew deck is very, very challenging to play. I you know, I said on the cast before that if I were to play it I would want like three hundred reps going in and I probably ended it like a hundred and fifty, which was about a hundred fifty short of where I wanted to be. Right. So I think I had really clean plays. I think, especially in the mirror I had a really nuanced picture for how to play the mirror. Shout out to the Caleb Gettemer for like helping to boot Camp Andrew and I in the mirror. Sure, but I guarantee there's like small little things that I was doing...

...throughout the could have given me better odds and I do think that if I was sitting at like table too, I would have felt pretty good with me. You know, I think against a lot of these earth decks, they didn't really take a solid game plan. Versus Meo, I think the one that did take the most solid game plan was Gustavo, and Gustava won the whole tournament. So and we'll talk more about that that later. But ultimately I feel like if I was sitting at like table to playing like Ershi foos with archias, mattered in I would have felt great. But sitting at Table One hundred and seventy two with just only archias for the entirety of my tournament, that was tough. That was really tough and it was also like almost annoying, like sure, like shurtating to say that's not only just the same deck every single round, but also just the same deck every single around. The also gets the exact two cards that it needs out of his deck. Turn to every single game, like yeah, leave me alone, man, yeah, please with like what I one of my opponents every single game and in the best of three, gotta turn to boss choice belt, Ece on, like Jahis Act. I'm like, what are you? What's going on here? Man? Yep, hitting the boss choice belt actually, like kind of a lot, because you also didn't start your arcies. It's on the bench right, wow, are you hitting this all three games? So overall, it was a little bit of a challenge. I attribute it to kind of like overestimating you strength versus ARCS, but I do stand by I think me was it was an okay call for the event. You know, we've predicted a lot of fighting and we decided to go the step further instead of, you know, following the trend. If I followed the trend, what I have had an amazing day one. Yeah, does that? Is that like fair to say, in hindsight, though, that I made the incorrect call? I don't think so. That's like right area, very retroactive thinking, right. Right. Do you think that? I mean, because I'm looking at the results and seeing, you know, that there were I think like six Mus in the top cigar for Mus in the top sixteen and seven Mus in the top thirty two. So like pretty well represented. Absolutely. I feel like mew was a pretty good call for this event. I think, I really do think it was, and I stay by that. Like if you're up, if you were hanging up at the top, you especially was having a good time. HMM. You know, we saw them us with the good records kind of like carry those records through. Yeah, so I do think you is a good call. And you know, did Caleb, Andrew and I have a mixture of like bad variance and matchups? Sure, did we, Babe, not even play the deck to a hundred percent? Also, probably. Sure, I do stand by I think mew was. It was an okay call for the event. Yeah, okay. So with that in mind, let's talk about U. I see, in general, we did see the rapid strikers Fu Vmax deck just be the deck for the tournament. You had many different testing groups bring it with a lot of different takes. You had the American style, you had the European Style and then, of course, you know Gustabo and his group's style of Ershfu. But talk us through, you know, boots on the ground, as you were, what that was like to see rabbit strikers who kind of ascend through the ranks and why you think it did so well. Yeah, I see. I mean seeing rapid strike succeed at you. I see. It was really not surprising, and the reason I say that is there's a couple of main factors. I think every testing group correctly identify that archais, particularly archaius dark, was going to be very popular at this event. All the big testing groups identify that. We identified that, like Kayley, Andrew and I toward and his team identified that. The other Europeans identify that, the America cans identified that. Aavo and his friends identify that, and so they all responded with her she fu, and then we tried to go to the next level and play you. So that seems like a logical following and honestly, like I would have been in very easy cell to pivot to her she fu if I thought it was a little better versus you. Yeah, and the so doesn't surprise me that a lot of people played it. It also doesn't surprise me that, like you, stappos style of list did very well. Yeah, you know, like the energy retrieval is a really solid inclusion. The RYHAN moultras is a really, really good me answer, I think, like I said, I said this before on the cast as well, the Ryhan Moultras is like a little extra oof that that deck can can take on and now like really conceal up the me. You matchup in absolutely the ways that just relying on baby moultrass cannot. Well, and I mean the the interesting thing. You mentioned the energy retrieval. I mean there are plays with...

...the energy to trivial that you can make with that. Yeah, that which your people and takes away from the sneakiness that then you can take on as well. Well. I think the biggest play that I've been finding as I've been playing that deck, just kind of understanding the list and everything about it, is just that you can go ahead and energy retrieval and then also play your boss. Well, that's what I'm saying right and gust up that that benched me or the bench exactly, because really it against these against the Moultras, what you hate to do is like kind of make yourself a known quantity, so to speak, where you like your opponent knows that you have to Clara like that feels pretty bad as right player, because then your mouse can play around it. They can psychically open too the deck, they can attack with a mellow out of that turn, they can do all sorts of stuff. Yeah, and so Gustavo with the energy retrieval, which we started to see play actually even in the archius decks in the online of tournaments leading up to you, I see, gives that that little extra oath. And we also kind of saw a similar thing with Pedro and his take on the or Sheifu list, with the gossip floor and the aldagos. Yep, that can very achieve a very similar effect. Now you need to atack versus the discard to pull off the elda Goss and old Goss is also a stage, one that like consumes a bench spot. But you know, you, I think people were correct in like trying to add a little bit of extra unpredictability, so to speak. And and how you built up your multus right. Absolutely, absolutely. I think overall, like Arcis Dat or dark was just the deck to answer for the tournament. A lot of people realize that. So they responded with Urphifu, just as an incredible matchup versus Archie's dark as it was built at the time, and the success is not surprising honestly. Like they right, just based on my own personal experience, like there was a lot of archias out there. You had enough of those. You're like already. Or I fire playing arsh and had the exact same opponents, which likely would not have been the case, but if I was, I likely would have won like at least six of those seven games. Right exactly at which they gets here in today to like off rip by itself and like another interesting thing is even if you weren't confident in your match up with Orsifu, you could take the stance that, you know, a good new player might know how to play around this. But I'm not going to play a good new player, I'm going to play the average player who plays mew. Okay, so let's talk a little bit about strategy then, with the ershow deck, because the more that I play the orfrew deck, the more that I realize, well, particularly Gustavo's list, the more I realized that his list particular has an answer for just about every single deck. So what are some strategies? You know, you mentioned that while maybe a new player could play around or Spho, but what are you know, what would be a strategy there? What do you think are the shoo decks worst matchups? Yeah, I think definitely the mew was was the worst matchup, at least heading into the tournament, mainly because, especially for the decks that are reliant on exclusively Hohopa and baby Multras, you can play pretty heavily around that. You like, you can leverage your or Choreo's, you can psychically at key intervals to get your mu out of the active position, and you just end up with these weird board states that the baby multras alone can't answer. Like you to have baby multraus plus boss at the same time, or you need to have like a specific combination of cards, and so if you like disrupts you in any way, then you just lose, you know, if they play a Marni or if they just get their Mus off the board and you're in a really compromised position. Gustavo's list kind of steers away from that by having the the multras fee as an option. I honestly like even getting that into play, even if you don't attack with it, is really good versus Meo, and I've attesting or she feel I've always included the multras fee sure reason. Sure, like even if they boss Ko, it just like sets up a situation like, for example, if you're at five prizes, you bench that ultras and they like boss Koh it. Well, now they're instantly a three prizes and you can like start multras like that instead of just passing for three turns. Yeah, absolutely the the other matchup that I think it honestly will struggle in, which was kind of a new commer, is the Sylvian tech that that was played into top bit. That is a you could almost think of it as like an Archias or archias rapid strike toolbox deck, so to speak. But the Sylvian was interesting about it is it's a it's psychic pokemon. That's not weak. Two dark the trait shared actually when's Cat v Star and that deck just easily tears through the arch few vmax has and it's not really responded too well by the dark types. Right, which brings me to like...

...the actual probably worst matchup for the or she dark decks, which is the whim Scot Deck, at least as they're built right now. I mean we saw frank in top eight tear through toward tear through page row and top for because they really just didn't have an answer to a trick wind, you know, the whim Scott was a little too tanky to immediately respond to, especially if they didn't play the Multra's fee, which you did not, and so you just kind of like fumbling around waiting Burg cards to come to you and eventually you just kind of get like bullied out of the game because it's just doing too much. So it just was a really strong answer and you know, shoutouts to frank for like recognizing that hole in the metagame and kind of carrying when scout through, he had committed Tom was cut very early on, you know, playing it at the full grip, local multiple weeks ahead of time, right, and it paid off, you know, being able to tear apart those ers foods, they can't use the rapper strike energy, they can't hit for dark weakness. It's basically everything you want. Yep, YEP, exactly. So yeah, I think I think ultimately there are who decks struggles the most against psychic multi prizers that aren't we too dark. Is like the summary of what struggles against yeah, I mean it's so then. Well, we'll talk about this later in the cast, you know, obviously looking forward. Were there any other decks that you saw that kind of piqued your interest that maybe did well, you know, outside of maybe the still be on and the whims got were was there anything that you were thinking during the tournament? Hey, this would have been a really good call for you, I see, specifically of decks I was considering, not necessarily like kind, I think, me and Ershifu or like the top choices that I would have picked, and like throughout the day and after the day, I felt like that was still the right choices for me. Sure, the there are some decks that interest me, not necessarily because I think they're like incredible, but like the Sander stall deck, I thought was really interesting. I also thought it was cool that he executed on the strategy that he had tweeted about like two months ago. Well, no, on turbo came out, because he had specifically tweeted about the sun and moon badge plust, the umbreal plus the elder Goss, but that it was really cool that he actually did it. The man then, when did it? Yeah, that was really awesome. I don't necessarily think it was like the best deck in like an open format, so to speak, but because he like predicted a very narrow Meta and that, I'm round deck was like solid into that Meta. Sure. So overall, I think no, no huge major surprises like I think the woman Scott Tech even was. It was not a gigantic surprise like we saw whim Scott was starting to see success online. It was it's saw success in south palow. But it's a lot of a lot of cool responses, so to speak, and I'm it makes me really excited for just kind of the continued future of this metagame, seeing how people have continued to evolve and and respond to what their meadows look like. Oh, absolutely, absolutely. Well, with that said, we're you know, I'm proud of you know how you performed at you I see, even though it wasn't the, you know, ideal result, but we just got to get back on that horse for Indie. Yeah, absolutely, and I'll say I definitely have a continued like further. You know, we've talked before about how mused our deck. I just haven't continued like further depreciation for how taxing that deck is to play and how challenging it is played a high level. Shout out to the players who can execute on that like consistently, like Datalie Miller, you know, taking home original win absolutely well. Is it time for our card of the day? Riley, sure. So, Today's card of the day, I wanted to provide homage to a friend back home and I thought better way to recognize my friends from back in Ohio and also represent EU. I see, then, this card here. So this card here has an ability luffy cotton. If damage is done to this pokemon by attack, flip a coin. If heads prevent that damage. It's a fairy type. It's a multi prize Pokemon, and that is, of course, when's the cots backs. Yeah, so...

...this is this feels like a perfect encapsulation to me because, a it's a whimsic cot. Yeah, so shout out to frank are, our friend from back home in Ohio, friend of the cast, and also an iconic pokemon from our other good friend from EU, I see from Ohio, Andrew Mahone, who desperately wanted this to be the best card of the format. And also, you know, I love to shout out the fairy cards because, you know, rest in peace, bless their souls, there's no more fairy types to be had. So what's Gout Gx? It's really cool card. Has There's a lot of good text on this card. Honestly, yes, I was going to say like in a vacuum. It's just like kind of a busted color. There's a lot of there's a lot of good words on this car like it definitely dirty damage for each energy attached to it. and Toy box gx is like a phenomenal little set up attack. Yeah, the fluffy cotton ability's just like randomly a super good addition to the card. The HP is a little bit low to compensate for fluffy cotton, but just like a really solid card, honestly. Like the you never really wanted to sit across from the whims of COP Poigon deck, right right. It was always a little frustrated because of course they could always think I always high rolled. Now they could always just flipped tails the entire game, but it could. But even if they did it, like they could just like one shot you out of nowhere with like right cells and stuff. So just a cool cards, cool deck. When's it gots a pokemon that I actually really, really like it's one of my favorite pokemon from Gen five. I just I think he's cute and fluffy and it's an iconic like prankster pokmon in the video game as well. So, HMM, I really like this card. You know, shout up to Andrew Moho, like what's the best way to get a very pokemon in to play, and shout to frank for his little chicky wind. Absolutely, and if you want to keep your fluffy cotton in order, there is no better way to do that than the products from manscaped. Of course. Tag Team is presented by our friends over at Man scaped. They offer a wide variety of different male grooming products to keep your fluff cotton all nice and trim. So, Riley, why don't talk to us a little bit about them? What you used maybe over at over in Germany, what you've been using since you've been home? Yeah, absolutely, manscaped offers a variety of self care products for your mail dreaming needs. And for me, I definitely wanted to keep fluffy cotton off of my face, so the lawn mower four point now is a really helpful tool to do that. If you're looking to get busy when you're on a trip. There's no better way to do that than with manscaped as well. Get the fluffy cotton off of your private areas and into the trash can. So manscape products truly elite. Lawn barer has those nice ceramic blades rent you from getting all sorts of Nicks and scratches. I personally not gotten nicked yet. To five man scaped rasers. I really appreciate that. And, of course, you know Riley Hulbert doesn't travel anywhere without his band scaped underpants. Those things are so comfy. I did wear them for day one of the tournament yes Sdeed, even when I was losing, I was losing oh so comfortably. It's absolutely can't go wrong with the manscaped underpants. I will recommend them until the day I died, because they're just that awesome. I really do mean it. I really liked them and I also I brought little travel bottles with, you know, my shampoos and conditioners. Sure, and I'd be sure to bring my manscape body wash along for the trip as well. That way I was smelling fresh and clean and nobody could say I was the Thinky Pokemon player at that tournament. Absolutely well, that's great. If you want to get your own manscape products, you can use our code at Manscapecom tag team for twenty percent off plus free shipping, which is an insane deal. That's Code Tag team at Manscapecom for twenty percent off plus free shipping. Looking ahead, we have a big tournament and one that I'm more invested in because, of course, I will be attending, and that is Indianapolis Regional Championship. So those are in about a week and a half, which feels, honestly, way too close. You're telling me, man, that was in your Europe two days ago and we have to just kind of come back figure something out, and you know,...

...of course the squad is going to be talking, we're going to be testing, but we got to figure something out for this tournament. So looking ahead with what we know from you know, the lead up to Europe was what we know from Europe, what would you expect to be some of the biggest decks heading into the Indianapolis Regional Championships? What are what are some trends that people should be expecting? Yeah, I still expect arcis to be one of, if not the biggest deck. I think the folks who are most committed to Archeis will likely continue to play Archias, likely with some shift to account for er she fu. So what I'm picturing in that space is people playing like Mani fees in their list or playing Hoopa v's or shifting their archaius builds to be a little more psychic focused. I think there will still be a ton of archais, to be honest and personally, like the first thing that engine I tested like literally on Sunday after, you know, wrapped up for the day and we're just getting ready to pack up before going home that Sunday night. We had already started testing like some more HOOPA V and we'd already tested Hoopa v or like does this still work against the new or she feel lists? First thing that we wanted to figure out right. Well, what's the what's the verdict? I think it's pretty good versus still ersh yeah, yeah, I mean the thing about like Gustavo's list, I feel like, is just how easy it is to get multiple baby baby multras up and you can really play been in many respects like a six prize game right where you're sacking. You're sacking this more lax you're snack. You're sacking. Yeah, you're snacking a sobble drizzle, and then you could just kind of go in with three Moultras if you want. You know, it's certainly doable. So yeah, even I don't think kind of that. I don't think any of it. To be clear, I don't think any of those answers are perfect versus or she fu. I think I think they all force the or she food to play different games. For sure, you know, consider them a little more meaningfully, but none of them are perfect. You. On the flip side, you could also say that the Dune spars can kind of you a liability versus like yoga loop. Right, thing with me and I fee is like not super strong of an answer in that way. So I think there will be, like a lot of people know, who stick to their guns and I like I'm playing my Arcis dark, I'm putting a Hoopa in it, putting a man of fee in it, and that's it. Send Right. I just feel like the tough thing about that. Again, I'm going to reference Gustavo's list because I do feel like, from what I've played, that has the most answers, the most things. The problem with it is that into the ARCIS matchup you can play avery a couple of times and so the arcis player has to decide whether or not they want to keep that done spars on the bench, whether or not they want to keep that man I fee on the bench, and it concertainly, you know, I don't kind of ruin the ruin the vibes in terms of the Entelli onlines. I don't disagree. I don't disagree. I'm I'm just telling you what I think will happen. Sure, yes, absolutely, and I think arcis players will stick to their guns by and large. I think there will be more respect for or she fool, but I don't think a ton of people will swap to it who weren't already comfortable with the deck. The deck is pretty hard to play, so I don't anticipate like a ton of people swatch supping to it. I think it will be more popular than it was at prior events. Yeah, not by like an insane margin. And then I think we'll see a rise in kind of like the more odd like fringe decks that might respond to her she fu you know, I'm thinking specifically at the top of my mind there's been a lot of discourse about archiester rolled on in the last few days. In a post or she fu, Metta and drought on is like as a pokemon that can definitely put in some good work, versus or she fu, if you get it up and running fast enough, you know, just forcing them to deal awkward amounts of damage. They just don't quite have the math there. I presently don't think the archiestro out on deck is a good call still, but it's something that warrants consideration. And then, you know, I expect to see a kind of a return to form for me, so to speak, and I think a lot of people will look at me as like, Hey, here's an obvious answer to the fighting deck. Let me play them your deck. They'll kind of use similar logic that I used to play you and U, I see, but maybe a little more widespread and it's I expect you to kind of see a little bit of a resurgence where it kind of died down a little bit. Sure that's that's what I would look out for, is I would look out for the archies decks will being popular. I would look out for like the fringe decks...

...that people think will be or Shefu and then I'll look out from you. Yeah, absolutely. Um, heading into the tournament, what are you kind of leaning towards? Because for me, again, after playing with a lot of the top decks from U see and just my testing over the last two weeks, you're going to have to give me a really convincing argument to not just suit up the ersh food list. I'm like, I'm kind of in a similar spots. Like it's going to have to be really convincing, because that feels to me like the deck that has the most answers to the most, you know, to the most counters in the format right now. I'm kind of in a similar spot. Or she who is also just like my favorite v Pokmon. Yeah, I a wide margin, you know. Yep, you even think backed like when battle styles came out and like both of us just spammed or she foo in the Players Cup and everything like that. Yep, like we're clearly or she who fans on the cast. So it wouldn't be surprising if both of us just slammed her she foo at an event. So I'm always kind of looking for an excuse. I really was looking for a reason. The player she who at Eo. I see too, but we thought the new is a better call. So I would happily slammer she fu myself. I think you know the next thing. I'm trying, like right now. I'm trying to like grow some sweet coon at the wall and like in r she fu answer and are testing so far are it's been okay. Versus Earth. I kind of the man I fees helpful, obviously, but you know, the avery can really get tormenting with speeking like a second good hit. Yeah, I really want to try playing her rescue carrier in addition to the man of fee. Okay, I think that could be enough to like make the deck viable. So to be sure, not that sure I will, but like make it a little bit better. No, right, because then you're not as impacted by the by the avery. Right, yeah, and it's like, you know, it gives you a little more freedoms like discard you little guys really and not feel so bad about it, for sure. And I also, I consistently find a speaking deck can like run out of basics. If you like prize two of them. Oh absolutely, he prized like to basics that you like run out basic pokmon so that's like. Another thing that I want to try is speaking with a rescue carrier. But yeah, I mean I would happily player she fu at Indie. I think the players who are comfortable with her Sheifu are likely also considering just playing her Sheifu again, you know, speaking their a list to respond to whatever Meta changes they anticipate and then take a her Sheifu. Right. So it would not surprise me, especially like amongst the top players, if that's still a huge cross section. Yeah, interesting. Interesting. Any other kind of thoughts heading into obviously we have one more cast until I until Indianapolis, and so you know, I expect both of our thoughts to be a little bit more developed over the course of the next week. But any other thoughts here heading into indie that you know, things you want to try testing that you haven't had the chance to yet or specific text that you're thinking about throwing in to certain decks, and not necessarily a ton that I didn't already mention, like the rescue carrier in it swecoon is something I really want to experiment with more the or she food Dec I think he's just still a really solid choice all around. You know, I think on the grander scale, the Meta seems, I wouldn't say them at as yet centralized, like I don't think people have solved the matter or anything. There's even still, amongst the top decks, there's a lot of variation in the list of these decks, which is really cool. I think where I'm kind of at is, I think, the archetypes. I don't really anticipate going too far outside of the main archetypes that we've seen right instead, want to find like one of those last couple cards in those archetypes that like make them the best they can possibly be. Because you know, when you're thinking of like a Meta that has me, you and Archaeus and or she foo in it, all three of those cards, in very different ways, are like oppressive to other strategies. Sure you know, like or Shefu like completely wallops your bench very early into the game potentially, and archaeus grabs whatever two cars it wants to completely ruin your board. Sure you know, maybe they're bossing something really important on the second turn of the game every single time there's nothing you can do about it, or they're doing some other like absurd play that no other deck can consistently pull off. And then mew is mew and. We've talked about me, and that can be oppressive in other ways. So like you have to make a really good case to not just play one of those decks, in...

...my opinion, because there's absolutely they are. Yeah, so good, so good. I mean, since I've been playing some of the best ex just ever printed, and I mean it, yes, sense the parent because just insane. And I think what I found in my testing, and this isn't universally true, but what I found in my testing, is it's really hard or rogue strategies to deal with even two of those three effectively. You might be able to get to but getting all three is like impossible because they're so different in their game plan, they're so different in they're typing, they're so different in their wind conditions. It's it's really hard to build a deck that answers all three of those major archetypes right. One last question that I have. Where does Malamars? It in a bad spot right now? Honestly, I think Malamar's kind of doomed right now. If you're a Malamar Fan, you've probably already realized this, and I'm just a broken record, but the the rise of avery is bad. The rise of Ershifu is just generally bad. Man If you is like not a great answer, especially if you're getting a veried right. You got to keep a man of fee. So like what's your board look like? It looks like, you know, somble, your benched Malamar and then the you know, and then the manifee. Like that's never, never where you want to be. Yeah, so it just gets super awkward. Like run out of pokemoney, start whipping stuff. It's not great, and then they will what they boss the manifee the next turn. You you're even a worse spot that. So that's not great. And against the arcius decks, you know, you're just really struggling to get to the big charm numbers consistently and then they can just charance care and then you're in a really compromised position, especially like they're like all playing crow bats now in the archius decks. HMM, robot Max yeah, we talked about that. So that's just a real challenge, especially if they're also playing a very you know, if they avery and Crobat in the same turn, that feels horrible. And then the mew decks just has so many ways to play around the Malamar strategy. If me gets going quickly, then there's really like not a lot that Malamar can do unless it gets like the turn to knock out on the VATS, which is not common, though. I feel like Almar satistic bad spot. Yeah, it's definitely tough. I've had some struggle with with their shrew deck against Malamar, just because they can keep enough of a board presence and the man, if he can stay, you know, to to make that run. Obviously you're hitting for weakness. You don't need as many pokemon or, you know, are as many rabbits, strife cards, I should say, to to get a knockout on an earthh foo and that's probably, you know, the best attacker in that early game there for the or shrew deck. So it has been a bit of a struggle. I have won, you know, the Games that I've played, but I've always been had that like Turner two where I'm like, Oh, this could be this could be tragic if they get exactly what they need. Some thing is they don't always off the Synthia. Give it that, take it away. Absolutely the yeah, not a huge Lamar fan at the moment. It just doesn't feel like the right time anymore. Little underwhelming, especially with archias. I would say that that's probably the biggest argument against the Malamar, aside from having, you know, the sniping of the Ersh fo. But you know, Archius is just always been kind of that that really difficult matchup for you. So, I mean it really feels like all those big three decks are like not a good matchup. So why would you? You know, if you want to, I don't know, you've been testing it for a long time and you just are the most pforable with it, or you you know, you just you feeling like having some fun or something. I don't know. And like it wouldn't surprise me if like a random alumar made a deep run or something. But yeah, it doesn't feel like a tournament winner. Yeah, absolutely, especially because the list from Almar feels so solved right, like everyone knows what your clock in and eventually you're gonna falter versus the Archeios at the or the earth or the view is. Eventually you're going to start lose right in my opinion. You know, if an our player wants to prove me wrong, I love the Malmar deck. You know, prove me wrong. I'd be happy to see, but I don't think that'll happen. Well, you're herd of here. We are going to be on the grind for Indianapolis because, honestly, it was a big whiff in in Europe. You know, not to throw shade at the group, but you know, we got to get some some results here, and Indie's going to be a...

...great spot to do it. Absolutely looking very much forward to Indie is currently on track to be the biggest regional of all time, fun fact, in the master's division, if everybody shows up. So very exciting stuff ahead. Looking forward to seeing you all and also shout out to everybody in Europe who who came up and a pre showed their appreciation for the cast. I sincerely do appreciate the love or getting internationally on tag team. It was really cool to see and if you feel the same in Indie, definitely come up to JW and I and let us know what you think. Yeah, absolutely. If you are a big fan, there is another way that you can show your love, and that's by leaving a rate and review on your favorite podcasting platforms. So simple, just click the five star button if you feel like it's five stars. Click the one star button if you feel like it's one or anywhere between, based on your personal opinions, and let us know how we're doing. Not only is that help us get discovered and further up in the algorithm, it also lets us know what we're doing well and what we need to improve on. You can also check us out on social media. I'm at smouse the files itws at Real John Walter, and we have a twitter for the podcast at tag team pokemon. And if that's not enough for you, we do record live every single week on one of our twitch channels. You can find it typically at tishdoctv slash munner, but JW also streams at twitch dotv flex daddy regus absolutely so, with Dad said, we're going to be back in the lab coming up with something great for Indianapolist. Thank you, guys all, so much for listening to the cast and we'll catch you on the next one. Thanks everyboddy. We'll see you next time. Ace Say.

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