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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 4, Episode 37 · 6 months ago

4-37. The Whimsical Episode

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are back and full of whimsy and wonder. Come listen into Riley's Top 16 run at the Indianpolis regional championship, the process of selecting Whimsicott for the event, and what to expect moving forward.

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Yo, what is up guys? Looking back to tag team, the POKEMON Trading Card Games Premiere podcasting duo. My name is Riley Hobart, joined as always by my good, good friend Mr JW Curry. Wall J W, how goes? Hey, man, I'm feeling refreshed. You're feeling refreshed? Yeah, Oh, yeah, it was a big weekend for us. Back in action for an official POKEMON tournament for the first time and two plus years, like two years and a quarter, and I know it's it really was crazy to see the excitement and to be back in Indianapolis, which is a place that's kind of, you know, special for all of us because nats was held onnerst pokemon. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So very exciting times and it was really exciting tournament. Yeah, it really was. I mean I kind of felt this way after, after going to Frankfort. Do you feel that like competitive vigor coming back? Dude, I really do. I'm like I've been sitting here thinking, you know, okay, how do I how do I tech my deck or what's the best play or all these like just random like searching through the car database. You know. Oh, yeah, that time. It's that yeah, so I definitely feel a renewed sense of interest and just energy. I guess I feel you, man. I've I've been playing so much pokmon. I've been thinking of Pokemon all the time. I'm like talking about Pokemon now to people. I'm just really deep in there, man. It feels really good to just be playing, to be slinging some poke irl with physical cards in official tournaments. You can't beat it, man. It feels so good, it really does. And just, yeah, being able to see people again, like these are people that I have made, you know, acquaintances with or friends with over online and the various channels. Yeah, for the last two years and then finally meeting some of them. That was really cool for me, and I mean for you as well. I know you had people coming up saying hey, love the podcast. You know, I definitely had that throughout the day, love the content, things like that. So that was just really fun to kind of meet some of you guys and get to chat with you a seriously shout out to all of the listeners who came out and showed their support. It was so awesome to get to meet all of you and talk through, you know, kind of what you thought of the cast and your opinions and also just to get to our the people out there here listening to us. We have such a wide array of people, honestly, it's really cool. Yeah, and definitely like, if you're out there any of these events, don't feel intimidate at all. Like you you and I are super happy to sit down and chat with you. It was really, really awesome just to be able to talk to all you. Yeah, absolutely, I would echo that sentiments. And it just every time we come up I'm like, oh, there's a listener out there, like people listen to this. You're real people. Yeah, and they're yeah, and they're real people. They're not bots. You know, they're not, you know, fake, fake news. It's great. Yeah, it's really exciting and it just like makes me want to keep it up. I don't know, it just it's a it's a really great feeling to talk to you guys and the here your thoughts on the cast. A hundred percent agree. So overall, sounds like you're stoked about the weekend. I certainly stoked about how the weekend went, so I see no reason not to just hive right into it. Man, we got plenty of talk about. We have three premier events that were coming off of this past weekend with the Jointville, the bill boo and the Indianapolis Regional Championships as lash special events going on, and there's more to come. Right we have multiple more regional, special event level events that are happening in the brilliant stars format. You know, it's and it feels like it's going to be. I was going to say it feels nonstop. It feels, you know, Very Bang, Bang Bang, because, yeah, there's a couple backtoback weekends. Obviously Milwaukee is right up against an a, I see, and then before you know it, world's is going to be here. So just a really exciting time for for competitive players that are on the circuit. And Yeah, we have a lot to talk about. So, as you guys know, we went to the Indianapolis Regional Championships. Both Riley and I competed and we came away with very different outcomes. You know, both had winning records, but one of US did particularly well. So, Riley, what place did you end up getting? That would be twelve. Oh twelve, okay, well, I could not, unfortunately, beat that. I ended up one hundred and twenty seven. So sisy eight baby very, very respectable. Honestly, with and with the matchups that I got and and some of the luck...

...like I had, it was a very respectable showing. So heading into the tournament we were kind of aligned in our thinking on deck choices. We were both kind of thinking, okay, you know, Ershfu seems like it could be a really good play. But we also had some backup decks, particularly in the whimscot brew that we ended upbringing. And Riley, what were your thoughts on kind of why you decided the night before to go with Whimsiccott? What about Whimscott made you say, yeah, this is the choice, this is the right play for the tournament? Yeah, Whensicott was we tested a lot of them's got. We tested it before you. I see you weren't as involved in that testing, obviously, but Andrew, I tested a lot for you, I see, and did really think the deck was good enough. Didn't think it was reliable and I kind of like carry that sentiment for a while. I was probably the biggest hater of Whimscott. Actually, throughout our testing I was very much the person who was kind of saying, you know, I don't think this is a good enough deck. I don't think we should take this to the regional it's not consistent enough, it doesn't do what it needs to. The power ceiling is too low. That was the hater for sure, and to be to be fair, I often am like the devil's advocate for our decks. Well, especially with those rogue create you know, which at the time, certainly before, it is worth while to like, you know, pick apart and like force people to confront like why they're playing that strategy to something right, right. But so, you know, for weeks and weeks we had been testing whims of coot and I was always kind of a doubter and what it ultimately like kind of flipped my opinion was. It might have even been on like there. It was either like Wednesday or Thursday like when we started testing this a Sheian in the deck, and that was like really when I felt the deck started to change. I was a big advocate, and jw you can attest this. I was a huge advocate of like including more ability V's in the deck, particularly the Luminion was a card I wanted to test for a while and once we kind of made that breakthrough and started playing all the Support v Pokemon, the Luminion and this a she in in addition to the Crowbat, the deck felt so much better. Like I can hundred percent guarantee you if we did not find this as she in, I would not have played one Sacott dumb absolutely. It was only because of it, the Deciians like incredible showing in literally like the day leading up to Indie that I even considered when Scott to be a viable deck. And so I was like cool, like when Scott fills the check boxes that I'm personally looking for in at deck right now. It has paths to the peak in it, which is like a great desructive tool. You can Marnie your opponent like many turns in a row. One thing I said all about like two or three weeks ago, is I want to play a deck that can literally just Marty every single turn until my opponent bricks. And that sounds like a stupid, like awful strategy, but it works straight right like those. If your opponent is some brick out the first Marni, like maybe they'll brick off the second and they don't prick off the second, like maybe the third will do. And Yeah, maybe the fourth, like we play for like maybe the fourth of be the one that got them, because what we had found, like playing or Shei Fu and stuff, is like you know you'll you'll have enough level balls, you'll get out of a Marnie, you'll get out of to Marnie's, but then the third one comes and it's just like Dang, like I cannot do anything this ter, I'm stuck. So those are like kind of the two tenants that I was looking for. Is I was looking to play Marnie a lot and I was looking to play path of the peak and once got filled both of those roles fairly well and add a lot of like comeback potential that I felt like other decks didn't have. You know, you can fall behind and when, Scott, you can play like a slower game in your prize trade and still eventually when. So those factors compounded with the fact that the she and allowed you to have consistent enough early game to deal with pretty much all of your matchups, all your relevant ones, the ones that we consider relevant, and that would be like Ershi food, you would archias. It seemed like an obvious choice, for us at least. Yeah, and you hit on it right. We were thinking about, you know, how do we beat the top decks? Right, like, we weren't particularly worried because the Meta felt so centralized heading into the weekend. We weren't particularly worried about the MALMARS. We were particularly worried about, you know, the joelty on. So we're particularly worried about any of the lower tier decks. We were really focusing our efforts on how do we beat the top three Ershifu, which had just done gang busters in Europe, you know, weeks before, mew, which is always going to be kind of up there as one of the best decks just due to its strength in a vacuum, and then Archias, which seems to be kind of that newer, newer player in terms of just how dominant it can be.

Right. And so heading into the weekend we're really focusing on those three decks and there's a lot of, I would say, you know, differences and how you play the different matchups, but ultimately we found that, yeah, whimscott could handle all three, if not have favorable matchups against all three. Yeah, and the kind of the last point I would drive home there is another deck that was really high on my mind on that Friday night was me. You actually on and I was talking with Kyle of an is old and we thought me was a good idea. The reason I steered away from you is actually kind of based on my experience at U. I see it, not the fact that you didn't work well for me at U, see, because I drew fine. Besides, like missing power tablets, like the deck was setting up, it was doing what it needed to. But I felt like the dark archias matchup was too close and my what I had told Halevin Azzola and obviously, like Zult did fairly well for the majority of day one and Caleb did place in top thirty two, so that clearly it was still no Kay choice. But what I told them was, you know, I don't want to play seven dark archias again piloting you. If I'm, you know, if I'm looking for playing me or whims of coot and I'm expecting that level of Archaias, which I did, I would rather play when Scott into that. So that was kind of like the final nail on the coffin for me was I expected a ton of archaeas. Literally that manifested into reality and I would rather play what Scott into a ton of archais than you. Yeah, absolutely, that's definitely a really good point, right, because, you know, if you're expecting a lot of a deck like we were with with the Archias deck, just want to make sure you have a game plan against it and that you're not kind of heading into these unfavorable matchups against what presumably would be one of the most popular decks, if not the most popular deck, on the weekend. Great. So I'll recap a little bit about my tournament. I know that, you know, the viewers are probably much more interested in yours, but just as you know, for all the people that are hands of of me, maybe a little bit more than you, you know, I'll recap how I did. So I ended up going six and three, which, all things considered, is like a respectable result, your say, to but one match point off, they to you know, obviously where the losses come is really important, right. So I ended up going for three over my first seven rounds, which put me out of contention, you know, fairly early, you know, but but at least to be that one match point off, I feel like, okay, I can hold my head high as like okay, this was a good deck. I just had some rough matchups. Right, I know I played well. One of the things that I always talked to the people that I coach is, you know, make sure you're making the right in game decisions, which I felt like I did throughout the course of the day, and then also make sure that your prize mapping, which I also did for the most part over the course of the day, unless I was in a game three situation where it just really didn't make sense to spend the time to do so. But you know, I've just felt like my play was really sharp. I felt good about it and then, you know, six three, I still got some points, top one hundred and twenty eight and I am now sitting at four points away from my invite. So just a couple of round by round highlights. I ended up playing against too archias be drill decks, which was a really interesting matchup. It's not my favorite, just because archy is generally is kind of tough, and then when you throw in a one prize attacker that can get really difficult and then when you throw a one prize attacker that can one hit Ko, that can get pretty tough. My round one was against an archeus be drill deck and they were able to just kind of flawlessly execute the strategy. I stumbled a little bit and I didn't quite know, you know, the matchup that well. So I probably could have played maybe a little bit differently in terms of using Zashian to attach, you know, a second psychic to a Whimscott to try to go for a three Energy Whimscott v Star. I didn't know that in the first game, so I wasn't able to you know, play around the be drill. But I also started Crowbat v both games in that round one. So I ended up, you know, losing pretty quickly, which is is pretty hard to overcome that because you don't get that additional draw and you're starting a two prizer which archias can take full advantage of. So ended up losing around one. Played a couple of archiaster a Ludon throughout the course of the day, which is it should be a very hard matchup, because what should happen in that matchup is that they'll never evolve but or Ludon and they just have a too prizer and that can one shot all of your whims of cots. Both my opponents didn't quite do this. They were evolving into their de Ludons, which also, honestly, is like pretty hard to deal with, but it's a little easier to deal with because they're not one shotting you unless they can get there. One of choice spelt down on that v Max. So ended up losing my first matchup of that one another one later in the day and I also played you.

We're talking about kind of these bad matchups. I also played a nice rider Calli X, which has to be among the worst matchups to play with the Whimscott deck. Fortunately, I took the win there in three exciting games. Also played a couple of Sylvian's, which was an absolute joys that matchup is so easy. Yeah, yeah, it really, really nice. My round nine opponent, I was talking to him. I was at five and you think about the ID, like, is this something that you might be interested in? And he's like, well, you know what, actually I'd like to see the matchup. And he flips over a Sylvian and I flip over a whimscot and he immediately extends the hand. He's like all right, you want ID and I like now. Bro I'm playing this out for sure, like I know, it's a very favorable matchup and he also kind of dead drew a little bit. So, you know, shout outs to my round nine opponent for for kind of taking taking the punishment as I as I swiftly, swiftly beat him to Oh, to advance to the top one hundred and twenty eight. So that was that was my kind of overview, brief overview. You can read a little bit more about it on my website, Flex Daddy dot cards, if you want to read a little bit more detailed round by round, you know, tournament report and had on over there. So six and three can hold my head up high. Just some unfortunate matchups throughout the course of the day, especially those two archaius be drilled decks. But let's hear a little bit more from you, Riley. Take us through your or maybe general overview of day one, how that went and then obviously how you played a day two to make to make it stop sixteen. Yeah, I day one obviously was very successful and it's one my loss actually was in the first round. Yeah, I know I'm feeling a little anxious, as you do, and you have your round one. That's why I feel like I got the worst nerves in the first round of the tournament and then I feel fine usually the rest of the day. So down across my oponent, very nice guy, and you know, I flip over my Whimscott, and he flips over a low tad and just like cool man, like we picked the worst possible deck for this tournament. Uh Yeah, you know, and I got thrashed by this week und too. I almost beat him in one game but you know, ultimately I did Nott. So that was like a frustrating way to start the day and I was definitely a little bit down on my luck, so to speak, start the day. As I went throughout the day, obviously that recovered. I played a couple of Muse which ended up working out. I played a couple of mirrors. I want every single mirror that I played. This is she and obviously helps quite a bit. I even beat a shower rider mirror, which should be like quite unfavorable, but I was able to like slam paths down at very critical early turns and the thing we shadow riders. If you don't bump that like immediately. The deck is designed to kind of draw to cards continuously and so you just kind of fall behind and lose is so that ended up working out well. One of them meet one of my non wins. The tie was against him, you player, and I think that was honestly kind of on me. I should have scooped the second game or the first game. I should have scooped a little bit quicker. Yeah, my opponent was playing multiple basic cyking stuff is pretty challenging, but I actually end up in a situation where if I'd been able to attack two more times in game three, I would have won, and so I wish I just managed my time a little better. I thought I was okay on time, but I actually had just miss recorded the start of the round and so I was about why I was a couple minutes talk and Yep, that was just on me. I still like I probably, I don't know it was top. I scoop pretty early, but I definitely could have scoot earlier. So what happens? And then obviously I want out the rest of the day. I round nine at one one I played a one s got mirror and then swiftly to oh that. It's like within ten minutes. Yeah, you know, wrapped up my day at one once. That was very feels really good, and it just kind of goes to show like, you know, I know you're somebody that tends to especially early if you lose. You know, tend to kind of get down on yourself, right, like Oh, you say that, but like some of my best tournaments ever I had around one loss, like Collinsville, I lost round one as well. Yeah, and and I'm thinking even more recently of the full grip tournament. Oh, yeah, that was a tie. Thank you very much. Okay, that was a tie. Well, fair enough in any case. You know, an unfavorable round one result can sometimes, you know, send, send you, not maybe not into tilt, but just kind of into it, like Oh, you know, double thinking your deck choice. And Yeah, I would say like I tend to avoid like true tilt. Yeah, it doesn't like impact my gameplay or anything, and I just like man, what the heck? Man, like I play the stupid Bricord Dad everything. This is such a bad call, like, you know, what were we thinking? Like obviously I've been to play out of my mind, the rest of the day, but it sucks, like yeah,...

...yeah, for sure, and the worst parts like a whip Scott, you know you want to play the good decks. You don't want to play the decks at though. One say that's that was my problem, Bro I was one in two to start out and then I knew I was. That's her ice rider lives, man. I was going to say that's that's ice riders home base right that's, you know, Su Huon's home base right there. And I was like it's chars are, it's home base, like like yeah, all the stuff you don't want to see is at those tables. That's how I fought a Collins Tho as well. You know, play the Wacky's backy that because I don't want to be down here. Man's dangerous. Down here, I don't feel space where I play, like Leon's ared, man scary. But obviously it worked out okay. I was able to bounce my record back quickly enough that I was able to avoid the truly horrendous matchups. Yes, for sure. And then a day too I pretty much only played archias and you. I think that's actually except for one round where I played in Nurshifu. I played all archias and Muday to, which lines up with the final. Weel if I was going to say, if you look at the top, thirty two, twenty four, our prost seven view. Yeah, and then got exactly that's all. Thirty two decks, Riley occupied, the one non mute, non archaist deck and top thirty two, which is absolutely incredible. So Day two it went pretty smooth overall. Honestly. I started day two at to and no maybet an Archaius in round one and I beat Mike gives on the ER sheefood deck in round two and from there I I lost them match up. It came down to multiple cash here heads in the third game. If he doesn't get to catch her heads in a row, then I win, if he doesn't, then I'll or if he does, then I lose, and he did. So that's fine, that happens. I guess that happens, but I'm like crushing hammer by to talk. I was. I was really depressed when I was watching the matchup because I got to catch it my porpate to man. It'd like the craziest part was I had like literally knocked all of this guy's energy out of play. Yeah, like his two psychic energy and one fusion left and he didn't have a Vieu v Max left to my knowledge, because he hadn't evolved it yet. And so I hit a crushing hammer, remove a fusion with a second crushing camera and the Board State is he has a two fusion, You v Active and a one psychic mellow at on the bench, and two fusions and discard. These are all the fusions. I crushing Hanver the first USION, flip my last crushing hammer tails, so I have to fan the second fusion to clear them. You and he just psychic energies the whims of Cot at Lisa's. The one fusion that I put back into the deck catchers heads full up the rude and knocks it out with melopious echover seventy. Bro It was so sad. Yeah, it was really depressing. And like you had the bench, the other bedoof and your I think your other Bibberola was prized. Are you describe my last fivellarables prized? It was a although he might have been able to get the power tablets and knock out of a barrel anyway. Sure, it was a it was a heartbreaker, for sure. Yeah, but yes, it's fine. You know, I I think the it just happens. Yeah, yeah, if I'm playing crushing camera and he flips heads on Pokemon Catcher, like it's all fair in love and more, I guess. Yeah, absolutely. Do you feel like you know how do you won that matchup? And, looking at what the rest of the top eight was, do you feel like you had a chance to win the tournament given the matchups that you might have faced? Think I had a chance to win the tournament if I dodged Isaiah. Okay, I think Isaiah would have been a tough matchup. I have I kind of like theory bond out a game plan for it. It involves Ryhan, it involves both Ryhan and it involves getting an early sash she and to just make sure that their early beat rill doesn't do anything. But yeah, it's really tough. Yeah, I kind of pictured a little bit differently, but that doesn't necessarily matter. Like I had an idea for how I wanted to play the match up at least. But it was okay, super solid, and it would a lie to me on having like a lot of things in hand on the first couple turns. Okay, and but I felt okay, like I felt okay versus like Michael and Andrew Astrata. You know, that Deck Played Two psychics, but im win against Michael was very convincing and they didn't play that many stadiums, so path can really stick them. And I felt, I feel like I would be okay against the Ian Rob Deck. You know, if they are unable to if I just stunlock them out of Archais, you know, I win the flip, then sure, I think that deck would kind of struggle. Sure, and all the other archius decks and and cut were like fairly straightforward. so no different than like any of my other archist matchups. Yeah, but...

...regardless, the rest of the day too, I beat him. You, I lost to Travis back with with Arkis. That was that was the heartbreaker of the day. I just completely dead you twice. It was like the only only games the whole tournament where I like truly dead drew, and it was twice in a row and just like to owed me and like ten minutes. It was really sad. And then I won my last round. Sadly, Travis, who beat me to get to thirty four points, was not able to ID after that because he got down fair so he had to play and then also with cut. So it just worked out horribly for both of us. Yeah, we both endited top sixteen. So you know, stuff happens these tournaments. Gale a little crazy at towards those last few and also thirty five match points as clean cut is insane. That's so crazy. That is so brutal, like Jeez. But you know, I had a pretty solid run and day two, you know, foreign too. Can't really complain about that, and compounded on a really solid day one finish thirty four match points. You know, that's top eight at literally like any other tournament. Yes, it just happened to be the one that thirty five was the cut and just absolutely crazy. It was so overall, I was satisfied with my run. I really felt like I had it in me to top eight. So I honestly I was a little bit disappointed that I didn't top eight one. Day Two was sudden done, because I really felt like I could have, and maybe there are opportunities to clean up my play a little bit and maybe get there. I didn't really see them during the Games, but that doesn't mean that they weren't there, and I've been thinking a lot about that since since then. I think the game that's stuck in we most honestly, it was the one where I probably could have won against you and day one and like show me that was a difference maker. But you got to shy and avoid that whole train of thought because your whole day would be different. Yes, absolutely, no, I'm trying not to go down that rap a hole. I wish I'd they top eight, but I'm really happy with top sixteen and, you know, shout out to everybody in our testing group who, you know, helped me to get there. Yeah, unfortunately for the rest of us it didn't quite go as well. You know, I was expecting at least probably two of the four of us to make day two. I was the closest at six three. Kevin ended up dropping pretty early Andrew had a pretty middling record. I think he dropped a four losses somewhere around round seven or eight. So kind of a frustrating day overall. But the field, from your perspective, was pretty strong for Whim Scott. From my perspective and from everyone, you know, the other three players that played it, it really wasn't. It seemed, though, that the better players, you know, we're playing the decks that we expected to face. So Ie again the top thirty two. For the most part, aside from those, archis be drill decks, would have been things that we would have been fairly comfortable facing. Yeah, it was. You know it definitely there was a huge congregation as you moved up in the tables towards Archius and you. I noticed it like progressively more and more as the day is progressed, that really there's only archius and you that was around me, and that was the only thing out truly surprised me was in round eight of day one I played a amazing rush Ram deck and that made me like really freak down, man. I was so livid that I was sitting across as every tailor and Im and I are friends, like we're having a good time conversing, but it's like, man, I've really planning as a basing restaurant, like, but whive's got just dies, man, yeah, explots want it. That's too hundred and seventy right. It's like not even like a two shot. Yeah, it's completely brutal. But at the deck wasn't really consistent enough, I guess, or at least it didn't set up consistently enough under the second and third Marnie. Yeah, which is the secret. The second and third one is when the Marne really gets yea s right. So but yeah, I think really we saw a huge congregation. You had to be able to like get past those early rounds where the decks stopped being different. Sure, and then when's theot was okay once you hit that point, but if you're still in different in the different deck zone, you know, x into x and three, then it was pure hell for what was a got. Yeah, so let's talk a little bit about why Archaius and mew and really I mean predominantly archius. Why did ARCHIEUS DOMINATE HERE IN INDIANAPOLIS? Well, I think we kind of touched on it over the last few weeks that we thought arcus to be the most popular archetype, and for pretty much the exact reasons that we saw. You know, or she fu is very dominant, but archias can pretty much remove all of its weaknesses against Ershi Foo. You can get the man ifee down, you can get the Dunce Fars down, you get a Hoopa v and play, and with that Trifecta it feels so difficult to lose...

...two Ershifu. You just have everything that you need to be able to close out a game very quickly. So I predicted a lot of dark archias for that reason. And even if the Orshivu players had ways around it, I didn't expect most people to like find those out and test them. And that end being true. Like I saw a lot of poop of the dark archais with manifee and Dun spars in it. That in day two especially, that was super common. So then like the really top to your players will also recognize that, though, right like they will recognize that other people gravitate towards archaeas and they'll say, okay, what are I doing as Archias? You know, if it's not Ershifu, then what is it? And it seems like people's answer was, well, I'm just going to play the archias mirror and I'll beat them in the ARCIS mirror. And so Isaiah and his group decided that the be was a nice way to have like an asset in the mirror and against you, and you know, that seemed to work very well for them. You know, all of them making day too. And then, I say, in the finals, and Ian Rob and some of his friends decided that you know, we're going to play like a Medican fighting package and get rid of your Dune spars and then plow through the archais with fighting guys, and that obviously worked well for Ian as he won the tournament with his glaring bird box deck. So the logic path seems very sound to me, you know, as to how good players would end up on these archias stacks. You know, from our groups perspective we didn't really want to play archias. We were kind of like anti archaius heads and that was reflected in our final choice as something that we thought could deal with Archias, but wasn't archaeus right. And then, of course, on the flip side you have the new players. You're like, Oh yeah, I could speat her she food if I play a Marni or two and I'll be it. You know, play once, like. I'll play once, like you're for was a goot. I'll play a Marni and I'm getting and that clearly it worked well enough for for enough people. That, yeah, that you know US view. So absolutely. Yeah, that's really interesting, you know, because you think about the archeus decks that we had been trying and you know Andrew Played Archaius in tellion, just straight over in Europe and didn't really have the best day. But that was kind of where our heads were at with the archist. I don't know that we really explored that much archius be's or archaeus toolbox or archis be's. That was Kevin's deck of choice and solid, righty, right, but we didn't think it was good enough and they'll clearly the matter shifted in a way that was favorable for ARCHSB's. As far as archius water, I mean I don't think it's entirely fair to write that deck off either, though, because it did make top eight. It also did very well and some of the the overseas tournaments. So you know, I just think we had kind of a grudge against Arkius. If we're being honest, like we didn't, and I still kind of feel this way. Archaius is a is a deck that, if you like, go first and get an energy, you feel so powerful. Yes, you go second and with an energy, or go first even in with an energy, you feel like a Dork. Why do they even play this steck? Yeah, and I was talking to some folks at the event who have been playing the be deck and you know what what they are telling me is. You know, when I was playing this deck it I thought I'd have the advantage going second because I could at least get the be out. But really I felt like I was just playing the archeus mirror like any other. He would just retreat off the double turbo and I'd be the same situation as if I was any other archias fere and that kind of sums up by feeling is Arcius as well. As I don't want that, mirrors is really degrading as annoyed word, but it's frustrating to play. Yeah, no doubt. No doubt, because what are you going to do? I mean how do you gain advantage in the mirror? You know, of course you can play a fighting package, right, or the BEA drill. But again, we were just talking about how beatrol doesn't really do all that much. But you could play a fighting package. So we saw that from Ian playing the mighty Cham which can hit her weakness, and also, more importantly, the glirians amp those which can hit her weakness. But aside from that, what are you gonna do in the archias mirror? You know, play Charon's care. I guess you know and that's just a slog it is a slog and it, you know are he's mirror just really favors who goes first, I would say, no matter what the haters and the losers say, you know it just it favors who goes first quite a bit. And even though you can build your deck with tricks, that as a fresh rating situation to be in, and especially when you're playing archius mirrors like for a large amount of your day, that starts to wear on you, I would say. You know, when feeling like your matchups are so fifty in a way that's like not in your control, you know it's not like a fifty where you're like mindfully out playing your opponent by knowing for like the perfect item card at the perfect time. You know you're using your drizzle to get your Charan's care to heal your archius an attack with your next archius. Like yeah, that doesn't feel good right. Definitely, in my...

...opinion. Maybe it, maybe I'm wrong. It feels great, but not for me. So that all said, like, clearly, Ian and Isaiah were very plugged into what the meadow would look like. You know, as we described our machinations for the Meta. They clearly had like very similar machinations and arrived at a different conclusion, but a very valid one, because they won the tournament and got second place. So, you know, huge congrats to Ian and Isaiah. They've put the leg work in, you know, especially he's been playing this bird deck since Salt Lake City. You know, that's been his deck and it's cool to see him kind of like carry that all the way through. And Isaiah just you'll continue to get that really strong showing throughout the season. You know, really made a not that he's not had a name for himself, but like really leaving his mark on this season. Absolutely really strong finishes here and at a U. see and feel more to come. Probably. Probably. Yeah. So that's okay, though, because we will outplace them in Milwaukee. Dad is the goal. That is the goal and we're going to cheat it. Dare I say you, dare say back in the back up, I need from JW on this song. No, no, I'm confident, man. We're going to find something extremely busted, for sure. The question if you find like an unquestionably broken deck that you know for sure that no one would think of, would you played at Milwaukee or would you just wait the week and play. Yeah, well, okay. So here's the thought. is like, because there's only a week and I only need four points, I think you bring it to Milwaukee. Yeah, if you're me. But what if, like the friend group figured it out and they're like, we gotta play this at Ana? I see, that's a tough one. That's a tough you just like roll up with their Dickie larkist deck to Milwaukee or something. Well, maybe, maybe I go like six and now and then I lose the last three years throw. That would be poggers for sure. or I like switch a card or two, but don't do that. Oh, like the before the IT. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like take out the real spies that like for exactly exactly. It's gonna be crazy. Back to back. Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. Well, Indie was huge. Archy is obviously the standout player from this weekend, and that goes even across overseas. Like Arkis was a huge showing over the last weekend and we'll talk more about what we expect for New Jersey right after. We think. Our friends that Manscapes, absolutely manscaped, presents the TAG team Pokemon podcast, and that's great. For us because they send us some products that we get to use and we get to rep here on the podcast, and it's great for you because they give a significant discount to any listeners of the podcast. We love their products. We've been using them for the last, Oh, six plus months. Obviously here about Riley and his boxers and I adore the ear and no Sarah Trimmer, but they have plenty of other products and you can get your hands on them with our tag team Special Code. Used Code Tag team over at Manscapecom for twenty percent off, plus free shipping. It's really a deal that that you should take advantage of. And let me tell you, we joke about the boxers and my love for them, but I wore the manscape boxers, as many of you asked, dry day one of the Indianapolis Regional Championship and I went on one. So, Corey, argue relation doesn't apply causation, but I'm implying cause it. All I'm saying is all I'm saying is I play with the men merity deck, but the only gold ultra bals I need or tucked away in my manscaped boxers. Absolutely so you can get a pair of your own boxers. You can get a pair of your nose hair trimmers. You can get, you know, beard shaver. They have different other cleanliness of beer, a razor, I don't know. It' like the crazier. There we go. I can get, you know, other grooming supplies. The I've been using, the the body wash and the shampoo also very nice. They have some deodorant for us, you know, stinky fellas out there. So anyway, they have a lot of great products. You can get your own over at Manscapecom with the code a tag team to get yourself twenty percent off plus free shipping. Helps yourself and help support us. So thank you again to Manscape for presenting the cast. That's Manscapecom Code Tag team twenty percent off plus free shipping. MANSCAPECOM COTAG team twenty percent off plus free...

...shipping. All right, W it's time for our car of the day and I got a good one for you. Yeah, now, pop quiz, JW. As we were preparing for the Indianapolis Regional Championship, what was the least favorite card of mine in our deck builds, like all, was the card was always advocating to have removed avery wrecked. Okay, now, name a card with a similar but better effect than a very. Yo, parallel city. No. Card of the day today, pop is friends in Galare. And the reason why friends and goal ore is better than avery is because a very draws three cards and does nothing, but friends and goal our draws three cards and gets you mad clouds. Yeah, friends of Clars so sick. I was joking before when we still had like one avery in the deck and when Andrews advocating, you know, in the friend group. I was like, you know what if we just just just for fun, you know, since avery doesn't really do a whole lot? Obviously discarding the bench is like, okay, against I don't know, it's hern it is or something, but since it doesn't really impact that many matchups and and arguably sometimes helps certain matchups, you know, why not just play the friends and glare just gonna get out size. Want to have that one point as well. Yes, I would stay at a friends and Gal ore. If you're playing a very in a deck and you cannot come up with a truly valid use case for it, you got to come up with our use case for avery. That isn't just it feels good to make my vote a discard the vetch. If that's your only reason, then you might as well play friends and Gal are, because friends and lars at least like really sick and cool. Yeah, it's definitely some Nice Art, for sure. All the all the for all friends. Yeah, from Gal our. Yeah, I was. I had a couple of those. So, yeah, man, must be nice. It's good for them. And so friends and goal are car the day. There's also a really sick, full art for friends and Gal are that is only in Japan. I think really cute. Might be worth picking up. Get them all, they're cheap, man, they're kind of they're probably not even cheap. I mean friends, friends are only going to increase in value over time. Golob talk about stuff. Yeah, absolutely, kept that. Like get friends, like I can't get friends all, they're still cheap. Yeah, Um. So let's look ahead on to the next kind of set of tournaments. We're getting real close to release of astral radiance, but we still have some more tournaments in this current format, with the next US based tournament being in New Jersey in just a couple of weekends from now. Riley, you're not going to New Jersey. I'M NOT GOING TO NEW JERSEY. We don't have a whole lot of steak in the game, but we do have some friends that are planning on attending and if we were talking to those friends right now, what will we tell them? To Test? Yeah, I mean we've kind of been going through this over the last two days, literally, starting on Monday. We started testing again and and I've still feel a stake. I want to see everybody succeed with the broken deck that I helped test. And so the Meta obviously has shifted, at least in the states, to very, very arkis heavy, and I do not think that that is on track to change, to be honest. So the question becomes like what do you do it in Arcius heavy Meta, and I think there's a couple directions that you could go, at least if you're a member of our friend group. You know you can textualize this, as I'm talking to a member of the friend group. You could, if you're really feeling yourself, you could run back Whims Act. You know, the matchup hasn't truly changed, I think, like a lot of people just still run their own archis deck. So if you're feeling like yeah, I'm just good against Arkis, I'll play with US got, then go for it. You know, I I wouldn't call you stupid for picking them, Scacot, I don't think it's the best choice you could possibly make. I think it's probably about an equivalent choice you could make for Indie. And you know, an Indie gave us a top sixteen and a bunch of like very middling placements. Yea, the so what is like the actual, like best choice then? I think some sort of, you know, archis box deck is probably still a really good call. You know, the first thing that I wanted to explore was actually more of a dark box deck, you know, like Stefan's from from bill bow. was something that really appealed to me. Know, you...

...have the Hoopa to deal with the man of fee and then you can use the bird keeper Roulett to deal with the Dune sparse after you get rid of the man of fee, and if they can't recover them both, you can just, you know, really run them thin on their stuff. But as we've played more games, I think you know the archies variance of the bird box or just like better, because you have an Archaius in your deck, and Archaius is just an insanely good card, though. That would be like the first thing I would explore. We also have been testing a lot of mew as. Like the opponent, I've been kind of the villain over the last few days testing, you know, I've just playing me and and like archisps or whatever, like whatever you're trying to be, like, I'm just playing that deck right, and you has been like running the table in the last few days. Well, that's where I kind of felt the matchups were heading, you know, all the way up to Indianapolis. Is that from my perspective? Whenever I played me, I was like solidly beating Archias decks because I was just able to head hunt real early, either getting a turnament and feels like that untiliban and then you go second it gets an archais with dark stuff at you know, it's just so it's interesting, though, right, like that's kind of where my head was at with the with the matchup, and it doesn't really turn out that way in practice. Well, where I'm actually going with this as well, you know, there's a thought lot, there's through line to this. Thought is, I think if there's a tournament, and I hate to be that guy, but I think if there's a turn of it where like you could make its resurgence. I legitimately, I know that the infamous tournament where the good players Plame you. I've been making fun of this, like in our friend group for weeks, but I do think, like the regional championship that you has been best poised in ever since Melbourne is Sacacus. I'm being legit being straight up, like, I do think this is the event where view has been the best poison in a long time. So don't laugh at me, man, it's just we've been saying it, you know. Yeah, I know the infamous tournament. Yeah, and I thinks the caucus is actually that one. You know, it's already been on the up in Indie and I think the archieus decks are honestly going to shift away. They're going to get less consistent, they're going to play more crazy stuff, and you really praise on that super hard. Yeah, it capitalizes on it ridiculously hard. They can go into the metal out of strategy really easily against like the bird box deck and make the game challenging, you know, basic, make them work for it. And I will also say I think that the the catchers are probably just the way to go with me. You, especially if you're looking to improve your arcis matchup. Obviously Archie is, yeah, it's Y's what they're going to want to yeah, arkis players, what they're going to on do on their first turn of the game is bench that Arcis, get an energy attachment and hopefully that Arcius is on the bench right because they want to leave the souble as well, a soamble and then maybe have another sabble on the bench. Even if you escape rope, they can bring up another one prizer. You get those pokemon catchers added into the equation, all of a sudden that archeus is not so safe anymore on the bench because you can still get a MELOUETTA loaded up on turn one and get the gust effect. So I do feel like if you're looking to play, you you're going to want to be testing with those Pokemon catcher to see if it'll help your archius matchup, which it definitely does. Yeah, I don't necessarily feel a strongly about like including them or not. You should probably test the idea. Honestly, like it might even be time just to go to like a even more straightforward you, you know, going back to like the roots of the Natalie Miller type list. But you know clue, it's like a energy for insurance. You'll probably do pretty well. Honestly, I do. I legitimately think this is the best tournament for you in a long time going to the caucus. Maybe that changes over the next week, but I would be happy to kind of que up you at this moment in time. Yeah, it'll be curious to see, like with me, the whimscott effect, right, because you know, with whim Scott being the kind of sole counter deck, I would say right, you got your archis, your mew, and then you got whimscott added into the equation. Maybe some Hurshfu, but when's got this, this kind of counter deck, like how hard you lean into countering the counter deck? Right, like was your finish and you know, frank's finish out of you, I see, and some of the other alisander. Yeah, and Alessanders win in Europe. Like how much were those kind of the end of whims coots? You know, unknown factor, right, and when do we move into more of a metagame where people are really conscious of whimscot? Thus it doesn't do as well. Thus you can drop your text for Whim Scott because everyone else is playing more whimscott texts. You know, that'll be something as well to think about. And, like you said, going back to a Natalie Mama Millar focused build all that. That's going to struggle mightily against whims cot. But should...

...you be that afraid of it when possibly everyone else's, you know, doing things in their deck to help tech against it? Hard to say, and I think you know if I'm looking at Secaucus, I think regardless, the first thing I would look to do it's just have a really consistent deck. You know, a lot of these decks are getting super diluted right now try and deal with so many things. I would just try and get like a really visceral archeus deck, like a really core, fundamental new deck, and slam games at that for a little bit see how it fares against these more crazy variants, and that feels like it's solid starting point. Yeah, no doubt anything else that you're looking at. I know we had kind of talked about some side options that maybe could do well, something like a swee Coon perhaps, you know, an archist lude on maybe. Are there any of these kind of auxiliary decks that you would even consider? Throwing Games up for forst a concus if I really want to try that metagrass a Reladon frod Zog deck that was doing well a day one of Indie. It seems like such a niche strategy that could potentially be good versus archias and maybe nothing else, but that's cool. Other than that, nothing too crazy. I think the format is definitely converging, so to speak. We had a very wide or Matt, you know. We look to the full grip tournament, there's a ton of stuff going on there. There's a lot of people playing you, but then so much miscellaneous stuff. Now we look at Salt Lake and Melbourne and things are starting to converge around you and Archias, and there's a couple other strategies with like gangar stuff like that. Or sheepho was added to the mixed and now we're just like really narrowed all the way down to them. An Archie has zone with like one out of ten guys playing Hershifu type type eat. Now sure, though, you know, in those more centralized Meta Games, I think you just want to have a really consistent deck that can fare well against those top two decks and worry less about checking out. Is Is Ursh food dead? Maybe? I think Hershi Foo really struggles against the combination of Manifie Huba and on Spars, and it can honestly struggle against two at a time, especially if one of the two is Hooppa, if you can find a way to deal with those a little bit more reliably than I think her she who is fine. I think a lot of people are intimidated by Ershifu, and I actually heard multiple people indeed like tell me this straight up. It's like, yeah, I was testing her Sheifu but wasn't really confident in it, like I didn't feel like I was good enough to play it. That was a story I heard multiple times. Are Multiple Different people unsolicited it. I think that's a very shared sentiment right now, and so I don't think people are really putting in the time. You know, when I think of people in North America who I would be really threatened if they played her she fu, I'm thinking of like the Isaiahs, I'm thinking of the just a book car he's and stuff like that, and they had shifted away for this tournament. But I Isaiah even mentioned in one of his interviews like he was willing to layers Sheifu for indie almost did rite. So I don't think her she fu is dead. I think you have to find a way to deal with those counters. One thing that stuck out to me that I saw on a random tweet was the Amazinger cellaby with energy press a way to like attack into HOOPPA. So I'm sure creative or she few players will find their their routes in their lists and could run it again, but I do think or she fu is definitely died off amongst like the average player, I don't writ think you'll see a lot of Randall dandals coming up with Hershifu anymore. Yep, Yep, absolutely. It is a very skill based deck. We've been saying this from the beginning and now you have even more threats to do with with just the variety of arcius builds that that could be out there, because even something like an archis be drill doesn't present like a cake walk matchup for you, right because they can one shot your your vmax, which is just not something that you ever want to have happened. Will Yeah, I know, shocker right. Yeah, I mean honestly, you just never want to have any of your pokemon Kode ever, but it's especially it's especially harmful when it's a v Max that gives up three prizes. Yeah, I would say, like any VMAX DEC is not want there very max if you want hit Kaout is like I would say. Any deck doesn't want any of their pokemon ever to be kyoed. Yeah, arguably. Arguably. Yeah, I definitely makes your out to any easier if you never lose. Yeah, I for you never have a pokemon get knocked out, for sure. Well, I think you've covered a lot here today. Shite you. Is...

...there anything else that you would, you know, be thinking of heading into secocus before we wrap up? I think that there's a lot that I personally haven't explored with archias that I need to, and so if I were heading New Jersey, I would be putting a the bulk of my testing not only into like trying to figure out if archias was a potential play for me, but also just the best routes to try to exploit the deck. I think if you look at, you know, Whimscott is an okay answer to archias. It really revolves around you getting either a quick path of the peak to deny the starbirth and then not having their only stadium or one of you know they're they're very few stadiums, or hitting a crushing hammer early and they don't have the energy manipulation to recover from that. So you know that's that's an option there. Trying to think of like other weaknesses that archeus has, just again getting that first turn, energy attachment, if it can't do that. But that's really more on itself and not really anything that you can do in particular. So you know, it's tough. I would be looking at it at least trying to find some kind of counter to it. We talked about them, you with the pokemon catchers. I'd be running a lot of that as well into the Archeius, just playing that matchup on both sides of the coin to get a real feel for how it how it plays and what I can expect in New Jersey. Absolutely so run the gauntlet by against the archais. Find Your archias answer and or they think, good luck and have fun out there. Absolutely, Ilgw, I think we had a successful episode today. Why don't you tell our listeners where they can check us out? You guys can check us out over on twitter, our most active platform at tag team pokemon. For the PODCAST. Riley and I both have our own personal twitters. You can check out me, jaw at Real John Walter, and Riley at smiles with riles. Go follow us over there. We post the really good and interesting things. You can also find us live every single Wednesday night, all right, TWITCHTV monner at thirty PM eastern time for the cast. I also run my own twitch stream over at twitch dotv Flex Daddy Righteous, where you can catch me playing some pokemon every Monday and Friday. We thank you all so much for the continued support and thank you everyone who showed up at Indie to express their love. We love you all, we appreciate it and we will catch you next time pace say.

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