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Season 4, Episode 38 · 1 month ago

4-38. The Secaucus Saga

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Bo Yo. What's up, guys, welcome back to tag team, the POKEMON trading card games premier podcasting duo. My name is Riley Hobart, joined as always by my good, good friend Mrs W Currey Wall. You W how's it going today? Oh, Riley, it's all right. Feeling good. Yeah, life's life is good. You said it was all right. That's a pretty meager answer. Yeah, no, I'm just like in a Groove, I guess. Yeah, say so, you know, nothing too high, nothing too low. So sure it's all right and, you know, arguably good. Right. Are you like? No, news is good news. So I suppose. So, I don't know. I'm always like, you know, I'm just like waiting for my next cool thing to happen, you know, big break. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But honestly I've been like just vibing with the whole family life and the baby life and the work life. It's been good. My wife has been, you know, she's been at home. She gets a little extra maternity leave, Uh Huh, and so she's been making various food. It's she's like yeah, you know, you know, what do you want? Because she likes to cook and she likes to bake and things like this, and so she's like, okay, what do you want? And so I've been telling her all these different things. So today we had we had hot dogs in Pretzelbun and wow, which was very tasty. And then we've had bubble tea and we've had a Shari's of bubble tea, like with the Tapiokay, Oh, yeah, we make we make it. I mean you don't make the Tapioka, you just buy the bubbles. But yeah, okay, everything else, all you have to do is like boil it, I'm pretty sure, like turns neewable bubble. Yeah, we haven't quite got there. We'll just by the bag of bubbles at the Asian market. And then she's made bread and yeah, we just been been eating good, for sure. So how is Little Harper? She's so cute, she really is. been taking a ton of pictures of her. So you know, if you ever want to see some, let me know, but I don't like to I don't like to force Mon anybody, right. So, right, that's fair. Not Trying to be that dad. You've been on you've maybe seen the other side of that and you know realize that's not for you. Well, it's just it's like people who post their registration that they got in for a tournament on twitter. Uh, you know, with without me wanting to know. It's like I did I ask for that? No, ha ha, yeah, I see you're going with that for sure. Yeah, we were joking before the cast Riley made kind of a snarky tweet about it. Was People that. What's that? It was snarky. Yeah, yeah, about people that post their you know, they're their sign up on on twitter, and it was kind of funny because I did that actually. So, you know, I know he was kind of tongue in cheek with it, but it the other day. It's like an incredibly meetingless thing, one or the other. Right. Well, pretty much all of twitter is incredibly meaningless. Yeah, it's kind of a meaningless activity and of itself. So it definitely is the why does anything matter? I know that that's a very nihilistic perspective. That's true. Yeah, that is literally by definition. I wastin. But there is things, there are things that matter coming up on the horizon. We have multiple brilliant stars regional championships coming up this weekend. I know the people have been asking when can we get more brilliant stars standard events. Yes, really rare in to play a more brilliant stars premiere events, and Pokemon has answered the call. Sakaka's regional championship, the Lily Original Championship, there's stuff going on...

...if you're a pokemon lover, there absolutely is, and I know that some people are a little more excited than others for this format, but we're going to be here to break down the trends and what you need to be aware of heading into New Jersey. Absolutely so here tag team. You know we have our lens colored by the American Metagame, for sure. You know over in your Ife, obviously things have slightly varied in kind of the fork in the road with the metagame, though. We will kind of be taking that American perspective looking specifically at the secaucus regional championship this weekend. So, Gw let's just dive right into it. We're coming fresh off of Indie, just a mere two weekends ago, and the Indianapolis Regional Championship was absolutely dominated by Archeus and telly on and Archaeus is a whole, like, more broadly speaking, made up twenty four of the top thirty two spots. Another seven were taken up by movie Max and the lonely one was by whims of COOT ARCIS telly. I was clearly the dectivity right. Like is there any debated all about that being the case, I think it's official. Arcius has usurpd mew as the I hesitate to say, best deck in the format, but like the why do you has a dit? Well, just because I do still think like mew just in in without the context of like path of the peak and bea drill and whimsic cod and all the dark, good dark attackers like is still just in a vacuum, like the best deck posture ever created here. So, you know, maybe we don't have a best deck in format right now because, you know, you even can granulate that. The archie is builds into you know, archias water, archis be's, archie is dark, Arki is Korvinite. You know, I mean, it's just archias can go with anything, right. So I don't know that I can necessarily say yes, Archias just best deck in format, because it really doesn't. You know, it's not a deck, it's like a conglomeration of decks. Can we agree that Archius is the best card and format. I think we can and I think there's definitely a case to be made about archieus being the best card ever created. But absolutely so. Let's, you know, let's kind of talk about what's led up to the rise of Archaius, because it archias certainly had strong showings in the early format, but certainly not to this level of dominance. You know, over, if we look way back at at like Melbourne at the start of the year, you know that was a very view heavy metagame and of course the metagame responded very hostile to mew. You know, we look at the Salt Lake City Regional Championship and the view hostility was very real. Every single deck, and that's HAP A, had some sort of dark but attacker besides the speaking deck. And then the Meta got to this weird like Er shephew war and ultimately circled back to archias. You know, why do you think that Archias is emerged as like the card of the format and why did it take so long for it to settle in that space? I'm it's good question. I think when we were thinking about archie this a month ago, people were a little more conservative on what an archius build meant, you know, straight archias, I would say, was kind of the dominant form of Archais and that, you know, has its own weaknesses just because it's it doesn't have that spice that we always talk about. It wasn't particularly like it took a lot of like very even matchups crossboard right, like you weren't right. Weren't like housing anything, you know, but you were in every single game. So, you know, then we were...

...able to just see the power of the Archias archetype and just are the card really and see that it can, Oh yeah, it can be played with all these different things and in fact it makes all these different commos that much better. You know, I think about the arks be's as being something that's that was always somewhat around but has become certainly more mainstream now. And then you have the archis toolbox. Build something like Ian Rob's live winning list from the Indianapolis Regional Championships. You know, that are decks that I would never really expect because of their you know, intricacy, I guess, compared to just a straight archias list. I would never really expect those types of decks to be, you know, mainstream early on. In a format, but now that you know people have played them to good success, we're starting to see more and more players adopt those play styles. So, yeah, that would kind of be the answer. For me. is like you're just seeing archaius evolved, because people are willing to take more risks with the list and willing to, you know, experiment a little bit more. Yeah, I think that's definitely a huge part of it. I also think just we've gotten better at understand any engines and kind of what these accounts look like, even like some of them, my Nusha has like shifted to just be more and more optimized over time. And one thing that I think is interesting in this kind of post covid era of Pokemon is I feel like the Meta gets out of solved is the right word, but it's centralized, is a lot faster. As you have an addition to all the irrelevants, which there have been an above average amount of in this format, you also have all of these online things going on, people testing out the decks that are doing well at regionals, you know, making their own choices and refine the list further, and then they end up, you know, because they have so much exposure they're taking it to the next regional so the metagame got very narrow very quickly, in my opinion, because there's all this like additional exposure to the decks that are happening in the online scene that just didn't really exist before. You had your locals, but, you know, locals infamously like no one put any stock into those right knowing dared. So it's interesting to see like how the metagame has has shifted and evolved, and I also I think it's worth calling out. I was talking about this with the Andrew the other day. I almost think the if there's a problem card, it feels like it's done spars low key. Well, okay, so, yeah, that's that's the other thing too, is like we we were seeing lists of Archias that also were, you know, not that experimental in the side text that they were playing. Right. So, like we talked about the HOOPA, Dun, spars Manafee as being, you know, today's kind of archias package, and certainly having two of those three, you know, and pretty much every archias deck right now, certainly stimey's Rabbit Strikers Foo, for instance, right just pretty much nullifies that deck in in a lot of cases. So, yeah, you're absolutely right. Is like there are just too many tools, arguably, for archias to be able to handle anything and it can like very consistently get those pieces out when it needs them, with with starburs, star birth, of course. So interesting piece about dunce Fars too. I was like we are deep in the rabbit hole and I was looking up like kind of the what's going on with Dun spars right, because it just seems like such a random card infusion strike, and so it's like there has to have been a reason that they printed this. And is that reason that they are preparing it for Archias, or was there another one? And so I looked at like every Japanese set that was surrounding the Dune spars, like three sets in both directions, and there's like no color is pokemon at all in any of those sets. So it seems to me this is my crackpot theory. It seems to me like Dun spar us was printed with the intent of being used...

...with Archaeus, but because it was printed in fusion strike block, it has like the letter it has one letter regulation less than Archaeus. The theoretically, it or rotate before Archias, even though it was designed alongside of it. That's what I think the that's my theory at least, for what happened. They're okay, interesting, though, interesting little lotzee. You think the Game Dev's probably thought that if they didn't print one sparse that Ersh food just be I don't I don't know if they necessarily thought that, but it feels like they wanted archias to kind of be the card, you know, they wanted it to not have to deal with weakness and like Charans, careloop and things like that. Like clearly all these things were designed in tandem and but they also wanted to open up, towards the end of its life cycle, the ability to hit for weakness. Yeah, interesting. That's my theory, a game theory, and so that all side. There has been some discourse, you know, I guess not even aside like kind of leading into this. There's been a lot of discourse about, you know what, archieus Italians kind of roll, how healthy of a decade is for the metagame. You have some folks who are very outspoken, like Arcius is too broken, you know, being able to kick any two cards is just not balanced. And like the Italian engine in Archaeus at least. Yeah, is not maybe as skillful as people are rating it to be because truck, the card choices in some cases are just so obvious that it's like you're not really making a play there, you're just grabbing the boss's orders type thing, right. Sure. So my question to you is, what are your thoughts kind of on that spectrum? Do you think archias was a good force for the metagame? Do you think it was a bad direction for the game, or do you think it's maybe somewhere in between, like a little bit of a little bit of v Yeah, I'm not super negative about it, but I think the way that the builds like, it seems like we've come to like an end game of archias builds, which you know you're going to see in any metagame. But the problem with Archias, as I see it, was the same problem that I had with me, except one turn later. So the problem that I had with me is that, okay, you get a turn, one mellow at a you can knock out anything on your opponent's side of the field on the first turn of the game, right, and that's like a big problem. You get the energy attachment, you get the atlas of Sparkle. You're doing, you know, two hundred and ten plus, and that just felt really strong, really oppressive. And you know, you go back a month and a half and you know we'll be talking about it on the cast right, and fast forward to now. We have that same problem, but instead of that occurring on turn one, you most often see you get occur on turn to with the Archaius v Star. And then you know you're evolving and then starburthing for, you know, Zigzagoon and double color or double turbo, and then you're going ahead and gusting up something on the bench and knocking get out with your choice belted archius be star. And that to me feels like the biggest issue because the just how good archius is, you're going to face against a lot of mirrors, and the mirrors mostly one by you know, who can get that first attack off? Who can get that first meaningful knockout? And oftentime that comes with this. You know, Archis v Star to twenty on two, an opponent's Archius that they're trying to set up right. So that to me kind of feels like the problem. You know, like if choice belt wasn't in format, I think we're like okay, but it's just being able to, like, with the archeus decks, cut off all these other decks before they can even get started, which feels like commas interesting...

...because I never really thought about that. But I think that actually is interesting perspective, because that is what enables archias to like really snowball the games that it goes first. Often Times it's grabbing that one I'm choice belt it gets every single time off the star Earth. You know you're not going to whip it unless it pries and take like a big knockout before your opponent can even really respond. Yeah, I think, I think I'm kind of like a little bit of a little bit of be camp with Kis. I do think archis is maybe like too strong will overloaded of a card. Mostly Star Earth is just ob star birth rewards the coin flip absurdly hard. And yes, like being able to if you go first and on your second turn you get to grab any two cards while your opponent is still like in the setup phace. That's like really challenging to deal with and you know, I I'm kind of in the camp. Or I don't think the Intelli on engine like adds a lot of like meaningful decisionmaking to archis. Like there's often like a very clear correct route and like yeah, like good players will choose that route more often than bad players. But you hit like a skill sealing, so to speak. It's like yeah, I'm going to everyone would go for this route at that point. Right, right. So I think like these Arcis tellion decks especially I have just like they just reward going for so hard because you go first, you get your arcis an energy on it and turn to you get like five cards out of your deck that you hand selected. Yes, it's like, yeah, you're probably going to win that game, man, like you just selected, you selected your research right there. Yeah, right, exactly. Yeah, it's so, you know, it takes a lot of the lot of the interesting like mid game decisions out of it, in my opinion, around like deck thinning and things like that, because the disruption is so bad in the format right now, like Marnie's. Marnie's like, you know, I'm going to use an early game and hope you brick kind of card, not like a really disruption, if so to speak, if that makes sense. But at the same time, like archis is at least a to prize or like it forces games to go a little longer. You know, it actually can compete with me, you, which like basically no deck last format could actually say that, and especially after ultra ball was reprinted, no deck can really say that, except deck that are explicitly built to counter mew. So I think that's a net benefit. I think maybe the one thing that would really improve the situation, of my opinion, is if these and v Max's And v Stars didn't evolve from too prisers. HMM, right, because I think that's what set off steps. The give so much is that Arcus and you both are able to take two prizes, like while you're getting your board set up right. And you know, back in the GX era, which is remembered so fondly, which makes it all the weirder that we don't do stuff like this again, you would evolve your big guys from very tiny little guys, right. Yeah, they go from hpser rose to two hundred and ten HP is or ARCS. Yeah, people loved that. Yeah, well, and it makes sense, right, because it leads to less what I call head hunting. Yeah, it's like, you know, the head hunting is the boss, you know, choice belled Zigzaguon knockout, you know, on whatever V that you're trying to set up for the next turn right, and it's like if you could only make it to that next turn where you get more HP, when you get the evil alution out of the B star, then you actually have a chance because if they knock into a v Star, you know, okay, then you at least have a route. Right, if an Arcis we start knocks into another archis we start, there's at least a route to like righte. finagling energy, to getting another attacker set up, to trying to, you know, Marny, your opponent out of resources, like there's some route that you have to get going. But you know, just that first big knockout on the POKEMON that you're trying to set up. That's the lance the issue. I agree.

Yeah, and so I think that's maybe the root of it, is that the vise, The v Stars and the vmax is evolved from already multi prize Pokemon. So you're just set so far behind and there's like not really meaningful decision about what you knock out in that way, right, you know, when you play it against his arc deck. You had to make the choice, like do I chase the one prize or on the bench to prevent it from evolving, or do I hit into the active maybe for a two hit Ko and risk them healing it? Right, where's the ARCIS? It's like, do I hit into the active to potentially get to prizes next turn if they don't heal it, or do what is Ko, the thing on the bench right now, right, and take the same two prizes? Like, yeah, I'm gonna probably do the second one right, like that seems better. So all that aside, like, I think we're kind of both in agree. We're kind of in the middle of that spectrum. So let's it's not. It's not. Yeah, it's not bad. Sorry, just to kind of like read or and it's not bad necessarily. I think the game has been in worse places, but it does feel a little restrictive because, you know, it's the same we're talking about the same issues that we were with mew about why me was really oppressive. It's the same kind of idea. It really just just one turn later. You know, though, I get almost more an this is the less you with archis more to do with and Talian it's like way more annoying for my opponent to search their deck twenty times a turn just view a couple times. Well, at least with the mew deck, if you're going to go down hard, it's over and you know, a couple of minutes. If you're good on hard against Archias, it's going to take, you know, ten deck searches over multiple turns. So but it if you play Ark, has nothing on you at it. It's like I think it is a net positive and at the end, I would say because if we can shift away from the view vmax era into like two prizers and things like that, I think that's ultimately a net positive. That'll set we want to take a look at Sacacus. So our goal for today is for you to leave with the top three decks, because the Meta game has gotten more centralized. We won't be doing a top five this week. We're going to be focusing on the top three and we'll be giving our tag team tip for each one of those three decks. They're JW. Why don't you kick us off with number three on our ranking for Sacacus? Absolutely, so number three is a deck that I feel like it is gaining in popularity you're seeing it in in get more respect in the online tournaments. It one free special event over in Europe and that is, of course, the whims got deck. Riley, you piloted it to a top sixteen finish Annapolis, the only non mew, non archis deck in that top thirty two. You'll notice I didn't call my name out earlier. Let's well, humble. Yeah, stay humble, stay humble. Maybe I rescind that I said your name. But yeah, you got to look at Whims Coott is being a deck that takes a very favorable me matchup and also has, on a coin flip, a pretty good archie is match. Yeah, I'm a clive play I agree. Right, I mean seriously, right. If you go first, then that's very good in the archais matchup because you're presumably going to be able to get the first you know, attack off and then prevent them from attaching double turbos, which is good because they will usually want to attach basic energies first to avoid being fanned, you know, later in the game. And then if, you know, you happen to go second, then you always have a route to kind of making up that that difference there of going second with the whimscot deck. If you can hit a crushing hammer on the basic energy that the archaeus deck presumably will attach, and if you're able to do that, then you're in a really strong spot. You also have path of the peak, of course, to try to slow down both archaius and mew, but for the most part you're taking what I would consider to be, you know, a very favorable match up against you and then a slightly...

...favorable matchup against Arkis. Depending on the variant. I would say that something like archy is be's is a very bad matchup versus something like archy is dark, which is a relatively good matchup. So coming in at number three for us here on tag team is the whims cot deck. I think it has a really solid place in the metagame right now, although there are some issues with Whimscott which I'll touch on later in the cast. So first off, what is your tag team tip for what's the coy we well, absolutely should our viewers be keyed into to be successfuls cut. I don't want to like, like Brag or put anyone under the bus, but I think Frank's list that he want or that he got second with was just not as not as optimized, I would say, and that's not like a I'm not trying to like dunk on anyone. This is not a this is not a negative thing. It's just like I think the Ashen was a really big inclusion. I honestly also think that playing, you know, Crobat and Luminion is really good because to a certain extent you don't really care what support Pokemon you have on the bench because you're going for that lock. So the most important thing is getting the lock. Doesn't really matter what support Pokemon you have for the most part right, because if you get the lock up against the x that are good in the format right now, they're not going to be able to get the resources necessary to knock out the bench pokemon. So you know those. Those are some things, like the support Pokemon or, I think, really important for the whimscot deck. The these achan probably primarily amongst them, just lets you get out a couple of energy in the mew matchup, which is really important and can help you win the mirror too. Yeah, honestly, the the A is a she and is good and basically every matchup, like if you can get that extra energy down early, it saves you a turn of Ryhan in to late game, which is really, really impactful, super, super good. It's like hard I enjoyed the most of the changes and I generally agree with this philosophy on the support pokemon. Just fill your bench with them if it means that you'RE gonna attack turn too, and it's worth it. So why would you maybe not play with Scott? Then you know what what I made for all these decks will do. Why would you not take it? Yeah, so for Whim Scott, what we've been seeing, at least an online tournaments, has been kind of a shift awave and I guess even in Irl to honestly, is a shift away from mew. So you're losing a very favorable matchup and not only that, you're losing a deck in the metagame that counters a lot of these other decks that whimscott would have problems with. So the things like swee coon, things like ice rider, I think primarily right where. Yeah, the ice rider matchup is is among the worst matchups that you can have with the with the whimscot deck, because they can hit to hundred and fifty four to energy and they can power it up in one turn. So it just makes it really tough going into that matchup. So those kinds of decks, the VV Max decks, are handled by mew, and they were at the start of this format right mew was just kind of rolling through. Would love to see an ice rider deck, but as the format's gone on we've seen more and more me you hate, which has allowed these decks that had, you know, not the best mew matchups. It's kind of rise up again, I would I would agree. Yeah, like those decks are getting especially in the online space. You're seeing more and more of ice rider especially, which is just a really unfortunate matchup for when Takai. Thankfully I was able to dodge it in Indie, but...

I did hit the sweet cod, which is almost as bad, and they're honestly, they're both so, so bad that any difference between them is marginal. Yeah, so those decks having more breathing room is a very dangerous for of the guy because you're really looking to hit me and Arkis. So I'm speaking of let's hit our top two decks from you and Arkis. Yeah, crazy, Huh. So no surprise me. Is Our number to deck. You know, obviously JW just mentioned that you is declining and it's metagame share, which I almost think is a good reason to play me, because if other people are keyed into that, you'll see less of the stuff that mew doesn't like and more of the stuff that you does like. You know, for the exact counterpoint to watch itw just said, is if there's more ice riders, sweet ud stuff like that, mew is feastick. It's a it's a beautiful dilemma. Yeah, right, do you play me? You because no one else is playing you. But you're just you're running into just a field of Arcius decks that are built to handle you. So if you feel confident with your Arcius bese matchup, Arcis dark matchup, you know, sure that you know, because absolutely and and you're probably not going to play a ton of mirror. You know. Certainly there's much less mirror potential now than there was at the beginning of the format. So you know, does that mean? Does all them you hate mean that me was good again? It's it's the ex essential question. Yeah, the infamous tournament where good players play you. Right, we've been waiting for it since Melbourne. Maybe it's finally here. Question marks but in reality, like me, is a consistently absurdly strong deck. You have so much agency over how your games go and play out. Like obviously there's a lot of kind of luck of the draw and like the order that you draw your cards, but no deck can like power through his resources and her out to win and quite the way that you can. So tag team tip from you. What do you do to be more successful with you? It's similar to our last tag team tip with you, but a little more nuanced, and that's be really thoughtful in your fusion energy placements. Fusion energies are your single most important resource in you, because getting up to those high damage numbers or using multiple mellow at us is often a key to winning many of your games. There are so many like NU wants turns that you'll find with you, and we've referenced before that, like you can hit like seventy percent on you pretty easily, but that last thirty percent is like what actually gets you into top eight and winning tournaments, and a lot of that is honestly fusion energy placements. So so if you're looking for like real indepth tips on that, I would recommend, like as Zules coaching, honestly, because he covers us a lot. But some general tips that I can give is usion energy on or Choreo is really, really good, especially in the mirror, because no one wants to boss an or Choreo just to remove a fusion energy from play. I kind of like set them behind in the price trade and against Archeus, like it's really good to actually throw them onto a Geno sect in the early game if they're not going to be chasing it and knocking it out, because it's just a great storage warehouse, so to speak. oftentimes with with me, especially against these archis x that are playing Multris or be drill, you want to be able to use too mellow Attas, and the way that you do that is you maybe have one Meloletta with two fusions, but the second one has like one fusion of a psychic and you can chant or a double turboat, depending on your build, and you kind of change the mellow as in that way. So really be thoughtful about your fusion energy placements. It's okay to put them in places that seem odd or non traditional. They don't always have to go on you and mellow Ta and you'll win a lot more games once you kind of master the...

...art of finding the right spot for your fusion energy, solid advice. So we have the you know, number three, deck number two, deck number one. We didn't hit our reason not to play me. Oh true, yes, good point. What is the reason then, not to play Mew v Max Riley? In your opinion, I think there's probably two reasons to not play you. The first is if you haven't already put a lot of games in with you, it's really not worth picking up at this point. Like mew is so so hated in the metagame that you have to really be a master at the craft to to really have a chance of going anywhere with it in the long run on a tournament. The second reason not to play me, it's like unrelated to how many games you've played with it, is you inherently incurs like a lot of variants which you don't necessarily want, especially at like a smaller tournament, likes a caucus, you typically want to just kind of like craft a really consistent strategy, as opposed to like a larger tournament. You know, if you're at the Indianapolis Regional Championship, there's so many people that you kind of just have to high roll anyway. So it makes sense to play am you ours? So I gus that makes sense to play a little bit more of a deck that doesn't randomly lose like Marty Path in like ten percent of games. It doesn't just randomly draw like five supporters in hand and instantly brick in some games. So those would you. My two reasons not to play me is a if you haven't practiced it enough, and be it just incurs a lot of like out of control variants that can lose you games at a small event. So now we can talk about the number one deck, Malam. Yeah, Malmar, Rabit Strike Malmar. What a twist. That would be one of the biggest anime betrayals of all time. Um. So, yeah, of course, of course, archias is dominating both the in person tournaments and the online tournaments, and for good reason, like we've talked about, you know, really on this cast and in others. It just has so many tools, so many options available to it. If I were going to so caucus, which I'm not, but if I were going and I would play an archie's variance, it would be one that had some kind of dark pack, which I don't know that it necessarily needs to be the like full dark package with the Hoopah and the Crobat v Max, but certainly I think the Galerian moletrace is the best attacker and standard right now, being able to do to twenty two hundred and seventy towards the end of the game and really just get in there. It's probably the most efficient prize to damage doer pokemon that we have in the format. And then you have your Archius v Star, which is just a beast. It for the most part isn't going down in one hit to a lot of decks. So you know, the most, I think, efficient kind of energy to number of attacks to damage, like ratio is Marchius v Star as a lot of things to put together at one ratio. You can do it. You can do it. Just just fudge the numbers a little bit, but you know, the most damage to energy to prizes given up, like the the longest route to make your opponent win. Yeah, versus the most damage that you deal is, from my perspective, in the standard format, archius be star into a second archis. We starre into a Glarian, moultras into a glarian moltress like that is kind of the route that you would want to go with any archeus dark package, and that would be the build. You know, that would be the the ultimate kind of six prize route if I were to take Archius to Stucaucus, that I would want to try to employ.

Yeah, and Glary moultras is honestly so flexible, right. It's not just attacker against me, like obviously it's good against you, but you're getting up there and damage numbers. You can really stretch to get some insane knockouts, especially with combination of like choice spelled or quick shooting is you things. You just hit such crazy numbers at the end of the game with Moultras and also like even in the early game. You know, as early as the first knockout, you can ail other single prizers with your moultras. So it's just such a versatile, powerful card. I would also definitely look to include that in my archius decks heading into scaucus. Yeah, is there, you know, speaking I'm tips for Archius. Is there? Is there a tip that you might have four players outside of maybe what build of Archaeus they should bring? Um, I would just focus on consistency over trying to like mock your deck up too much. With Archaeus, you know, the more straightforward that you can make it, the better, in my opinion, and I think you, Pablo, took that to his logical extreme, and play the most consistent Archius deck you possibly can, with only water energy stuff like that. If you don't want to stray all the way that far and still want to play the dark package, I think that's fine, but don't feel the need to cram in like every single tech card, every single v Pokemon, things like that. Just play your standard line of stuff, play a healthy amount of balls search and you know, be confident that your deck will win if you exect your strategy. So I have another question, Riley. We were talking about mew and kind of Oh it's you know, it's the best time to Plame you, because it's the worst time to Plame you and all the people. You know, the rest of the Meta game will shift around expecting no mew to play decks that are weak to me. Similarly with Archias, and we talked about not mucking it up, are there any of the tech pokemon that you feel pretty comfortable excluding from a list? If you were playing this weekend. So you know, we talked about the Dune spars in the man of fee being, you know, good against. Well, Joel Ti on's not really in the format anymore. So you know the case again. You know, manifeees is slightly less strong, I guess, but you also have, you know, the Dune spars, Dune Parts. Man, if you really good to counter arshfoo. Do you think that Urshfu is a threat at all? There was none at Indie. We really haven't been seeing it at all in the online sphere. It's been doing, you know, okay in Europe. I mean you have toward obviously just is a monster, but what are your thoughts on maybe cutting those cards in favor of, you know, like you were saying, it's more consistency? I think you can. I think you'd always fit down spars just because it's such a broken card, so absurdly strong like relative to the space it takes to include it. You know, it can also help you in mirrors, stuff like that that are trying to cheese you with fighting POKEMON. That would definitely still include dunce bars. I think manafee and HOOPA are potentially on the chopping block. You know, if you're playing one or both of those, I personally would probably still play them. You know, I here's my perspective on or she fu. I think or Sheifu has kind of solidified itself as a deck that the average Joe will not play anymore. I talk to a lot of people at indie or people just would willingly come to me and tell me like Hey, like or she foo is just too much for me. It's overwhelming, like I can't play it at like a hundred percent efficiency and when I played at ninety five percent efficiency, I lose games that I would have wanted a hundred percent. And if people feel like that, and I feel like that is a very shared sentiment, is everyone is saying like I haven't put enough time and I just cannot play or Sheifu. So where you're going to see or she that? You're going to see at the die hards. You're going to see the tours playing it towards. Obviously not going to the cockets, although he...

...was actually a one point registered. I think you're going to see like the Isaiah Bradners who are considering playing it. You're going to see like the Justin Boukari's. Yeah, I'm their friend groups. So the question becomes, you know, how relevant is that to you? And I think it is. If your goal is to go in and win the tournament, that is something you should consider. Is You will probably encounter and Isaiah radner or friend of Isaiah Bradner at some point in your road to victory on the tournament. If your goal is to you know, day to the tournament or to just get some points to finish out your role. To invite like maybe that's not a consideration for you and you're like yeah, like I say, I might play, and I think I'm singing out Isaiah just because he's play or Sheifu like. Certainly there are other top players who would consider it, but like those top players might play or she who? But most people won't. So I don't really care and I'm just gonna play my debt, and I think that's a valid perspective. I would still include probably both Don Sparsan Mana fee. I might not include Hoopah, but I think like you can justify both of them without like bending over backwards, especially yeah, are stunt spars feels like an auto to me, sure, because you have Zapp those you have. Yeah, I don't know, Liken Rock, I. Yes, you know, you have just kind of the Air Shpoo, obviously. So, yeah, Santa Collins Lascens, in terms of reasons not to play Archaius, I don't actually think there's a reason not to play it. My I think I think Archaius is, you know, quite strong right now. There's, you know, there's just, in my opinion, no real reason not to play it and if I were going that probably would be what I would play. I do agree. The one answer I would give, and it's kind of like a non answer, but the one answer I would give for like why not to play archias would be you're going to play a lot of arcis mirrors well, and that mirror is very is very coin flippy, right, because if you're able to establish a good board going first and get that first knockout, you kind of like blaze ahead in the prize rates and certainly it is possible to win in a deficit, but you're really on an uphill battle. So that would be my reason not to play archias. It's just it's a really aggravating mirror at times. So if you're going in with like a relatively straightforward build, and you don't have any like secret trick to win the mirror. Certain the MOULTRAS can help with that in a way, but still very frustrating to go a second in that mirror. HMM, that's good point. You could flip have those and being like gray spot. You know, I would gladly play Arkis mirrors all day if I knew I was going first and every game. That's very true. Yeah, I think I went first once and in the SOKA maybe wasn't? It clearly wasn't the you know, wasn't the deck to play for me and INDE. So and we see have a question in chat that I think would be interesting. Wallace and chat ask what's the play for people who have basically no experience in this format? My aunt sure would be one of win Scott or Archais, depending on kind of like your General Comfort level with those style of decks. It's like, if you truly have like no experience, feel like completely blind, have no idea what's going on. Like we've Scott's the deck that's straightforward enough and familiar enough of the strategy that you could probably just roll with it and be fine. Yeah, honestly, I would say Whimscott as like the deck that you could have not tested. Pick up ground one and figure it out. Yeah, in that first I agree. I agree. If you have like a passing understanding...

...of the format and you feel like confident in yourself as the player, I think you could do fine with archias. But it like really depends on like how much you've kept up with the format in general, stuff like that, whereas when it Scott, you could probably just pick it up. If you play Pokemon at all like the last five years, you could probably pick up what Scott and like get it. You may not, you may be not a hundred percent off the mole, but you'll be close enough that you'll be fine. Yeah, and the benefit of a deck like Whimscott, a lock deck, is that you know, if you get the lock up often enough against the right decks and you flip enough heads on crushing hammer like you know, it the crushing hammers great equalizer. So it's true. It's the great equalizers. I look at you, it's the best deck to utilize it. So that's what I would say. Great agreed. All right, GW any other tag team tips going into Saccacus man, don't think too far ahead. Yeah, I. Yeah, if I were going I would just be like can we get astro radiance yet? Like this format so stale. But yeah, just, I don't know, don't think too far ahead. Agree with that. I generally agree with the philosophy that, like, getting too far ahead just ends up getting you confused, and that even goes just like your metagaming, to like don't don't like getting a cyclical cycle, I guess, cyclical cycle metagaming and it up lost. That can definitely happen. That can definitely have but we talked about this a lot. But trying to go that one next step without going too far is a skill on to itself and something that some players are really good at and other players can kind of get in their own heads because they say, oh well, a BEATC A, BBC, but d bet a and B, but e beats CBNA, and then you know you're just going down this rabbit hole and then you're like you end up not even facing a or B at all on the term, you know, and it's just don't be, don't be in your own head about it. Yeah, I can. It can really, really be extremely detrimental to a successful finish and that tip is so fire that the pokemon secret police or coming for you for a second there. That is one of the one of the difficulties to living near a fire station. But let's let's talk car of the day then. Yeah, absolutely. So my card of the day is a card that I played in, I think. Let's see, I played, Andrew played and a few of our contingent played in the Philadelphia regionals, which was two thousand and nineteen, I believe, or twenty twenty something, two thousand and eighteen, maybe early two thousand and eighteen. An energy accelerator, a lightning type bug pokemon, lightning he bug accelerator pokemon. I wonder what it could be. A fantastic partner for Taboo Booloo, that is the Vka volt from sun and moon with the strong chargeability. Really didn't see too much play, for its attack electro can in one hundred and fifty discard three energy from this pokemon could come in handy in a pinch, but the ability was where it's at. Strong charge. Once during your turn you may search your deck for a grass and a lightning energy and attach them to your pokemon in any way that you like. Then shuffle your deck. We had a card called Taboo Booloo gx, and Taboo Booloo was just kind of the beat stick of the formats. Taboo booloo would do, you know, x amount...

...of damage want discard? Yeah, Discard Energy and then you could do more damage. You know, it's one of those kind of guys. And Anyway, so, since you're discarding energy to do extra damage, you need some way to accelerate the energy to get the attack off in the first place and then to replenish the energy as you were discarding it off of the Taboo Booloo. So Vika volts was a deck that eat. It was it was okay, but we played it like we played at the tournament too late, you know, is like we had there were, I remembered during that format there were a few regionals, like in Singapore and in Asia and other places in Asia, and I know maybe he's a multiple times, and then there was one in Asia and then also in Asia as well. Now they were just like I'm pretty sure it was Latin America that you're thinking about now. There was definitely one in like yeah, I think they're wasting, but that the other one was definitely Latin America. You're you're thinking of like the the buzz. Will we vile garb it or decks right like that was in Latin America, for sure. Gotcha. Okay, I must have been then. But anyway, we were just one weekend off where the Vika volt was like a really good strategy when everyone was thinking about, you know, one specific type of deck, and then they all kind of switched over to dext that were pretty good against vehicle volts and it anyway, it ended up pretty badly for us as a as a whole. I defined Andrew to fine. Did he find? I don't remember you guys doing like. Andrew was like in contention for top eight. No Way. Yeah, he was with three quays a day. Yeah, and I finished six and three and I played to guard of Oars and I bet. All right, I played three guard of Oars, I think, and I eat two of them. Wait, the Vika Booloo. We didn't play Booloo. And at Philly, was it Vica Ray? It was Vika Ray. Yeah, maybe I played a Booloo because I'm degenerate. I think you played like one Booloo, but it was still Vikaay and it was okay because remember we played the Shining Luge. Yeah, that's that it's. Oh yes, the shining look. Oh, yeah, you're a problem with that deck. was that we had at okay is our match up, and you played like five Zor Arcs or something. Yes, yes, I think that's that's why you're down on the day. You remember the tournament better than I do. Yeah, you're so right. You're so right. Anyway, megavolt is my truice for today's card of the day. Bigle is a good meme card. Yeah, H Cole has had a lot of crazy cards, be honest, like me. Coule V. Let's see, there's the one that does like snipe damage. There's the one that to remember the one that did like one hundred and fifty and you'd attach the charge of bugs to it. Yeah, that one means all school. I like the cool, awesome car of the day shows being what's an alsible, and now the car the day is behind us. I think we have some thanking to do. We absolutely do. So. Tag Team, if you're unaware, is presented by manscaped. Manscaped is the most elite Man's men's below the waist grooming products, and trusts me when I say that manscaped will treat you right man scaped offers all sorts of excellent products and I'll say it again and again, if you're going to these pokemon tournaments, you want to be looking, feeling and smelling your best, and there's no better way to do that than with manscapes products. We got the shampoo, the conditioner, the Body Wash, the underpants, in addition to all the shaving needs that you could possibly imagine. MANSCAPES got you covered. And tag team has got you covered on...

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...coverage over astral radiance in the coming weeks. You can expect our kind of top ten cars that we typically do next week, but I wanted to take a look this week at what is the number one kind of card or archetype or deck it you're most excited to try out and play heading into astral radiance. Our first, very first impression, kind of gut reaction take. So, Jew what is that for you? What is the thing that you're most excited to get your hands on? Yeah, it's easily. Paul key of the Star, Pulky of v Star has a very similar attack to the Swee Coon v Deck that we've seen. You know, see can be does more damage based on the amount of bench pokemon and Bole player sides, similar to Paul Kia, but Paul Kia does a little bit more damage. So it's, you know, presumably a little bit more easily able to take those is knockouts on Opponents v Pokemon. So it does a sixty base plus twenty four each bench. And then it also has probably the most notable part of the card is the ability that allows you to attach up to three water energy from your discard pile to any water pokmon in any way that you like. So this is just like arcus's Trinity Nova attack. This ability is just one of those consistency boosting abilities that should help the deck get going even after a rough start or put on a lot more pressure, you know, in the mid game, if you know they need some burst of energy. Yeah, and I think that's a really valuable part of the card. Obviously the attack is super good, the HP is super good, but being able to kind of like skip a melanie and go for a boss or researcher, a Marni is super, super nice and I'll be curious to see like how these palky of builds kind of develop over the course of the format. Yeah, I'm trying to figure out this the like best side attacker for the for the deck. I mean, people have been playing it with starry V is a card the card. Ye, people are, you know, trying to figure it out with Sue Coon v could played alongside the Palkia. I don't think that that's really necessary. You probably just play a three parky line and call it good. But I'm trying to figure out that kind of alternate attack. Or maybe it's an ice rider, you know, something like that. So billth the ice rider absolutely. Riley, what are you excited about from aster radiance? Yeah, I kind of have like a meme answer and a real answer. So, although Palkio is definitely up there for me as well, I won't repeat that. The mean answer is Dark Rive v Star. I really want that card to be good. You know, I've talked in the cast before about how much I enjoy like those turbo dark decks. They're so fun and just a blast like power through your deck. Get as many energy in to play as possible. I just don't think the surrounding cards are really there for dark rive. You Star to like pop off in the way that it needs to. But I'm definitely excited to try. Yeah, you know, yeah, even if it ends up not working, I wanted to be able to say that I tried. That's what about? What about the GALERIAN wheezing? Yeah, like that's not going to work. Man, that's so much. Who? What do you mean? It's not going to work. You know, you just do like a like a one line, but you also need to play the other wheezing. The do you need? No, no, I'm saying the Glarian wheazing with the energy factory. Yeah, that only doubles energy on wheezing. Yeah, so so you you just put all your energy on the wheezing. Is Account for Glarian whezings? I thought it only did it for regular reason. Know that have wheezing in their names. So okay, well, that's it's still probably not good, but it's better than I...

...thought it was. There you go. So that's we go. Yeah, I mean I think the dark right acts probably going to end up like kind of a mass, but gosh, I want it to be good. I know it just feels like one of those ex it's just on the verge of being good. If it had an axil sir, it would be Baroka, but even then I don't know, man. It's just like a lot of things that you're trying to fit in right, because you're trying to fit in the dark bench. You're trying to fit in the evolution line, that evolution and all the support Pokemon. I don't know. I think it would be broken with EXLIXIR, for sure, but regardless, I actual looks. There's a card that we don't want to see reprinted over a dack to. Maybe you feel different ly, JW, but I'm going to speak for us both and say Max Looks. There's probably better off it expanded or it belongs and not in standards. So the actual next car that I'm excited for. It isn't Pal Kya is Samurn. I think is really cool. Another dark type attacker hits for that two hundred and twenty damage if your opponents pokemon is already damaged, which you do really easily with cards like Zigzagoon and Italian and its own v Star ability, which places for damage counters on the opponents active pokemon. So with a combination of your ability and a choice belt, you're doing two hundred and ninety damage to the active Pokemon, which, if you've been keeping up with the format, is enough damage to knock out an archaius be star in the active position, at least without a big charm on it. So what I like about the Samurat deck is it's super kind of like low maintenance. It's got to basic energy required to use its attack, can easily powered up with a dark patch if you need to, and it swings for decent damage, like very reliably. Though, it's kind of like a bully deck almost. You know, we talked about like the ARCIS getting the turn to kind of two hundred and twenty four knockout on a V. I mean the Samura could do that super easy, right. You just need to basic energy to do that and literally nothing else and you can accomplish that feat. that Samurat has the potential to dethrone archaius or compete with Urkius, even like I'm just a little dethrone? No, I mean Arcius is insane, right, but uh Huh, I think, think it could, maybe can be. Honestly, I think one of the Weird Things About Samurai that I don't see anybody talking about is diffuse to strike. Energy prevents the effects of abilities roads. So if something's immune to abilities that SAMA actually can't knock out of you, there's the already damage counters on. It seems like we're like to Hitcao, I'm you, which is awkward with your dark, dark mine anyway. Yeah, but it seems like super, super gride and that's like, honestly, that alone might be like too much for me. Like really wants the Rod. But I'm like, I mean, do you think how much of a big you know, how much of a quantity is, is me? You going to be though, post rotation? Post rotation? I don't know, but are Nice, sorry enough to day, but post ask for radiance, is what I mean. Never right off you, Bro ever, write at the checking shoes that the tim's in there. Yeah, Bro. So those are cards I'm excited for. I think Palkia is probably going to be the kind of Standout v Star from this set, but you know, happy to be proven wrong as well. I always love it when something new interesting comes out that we don't always expect. Very cool. So that kind of brings us to a close for today. Like we said, we'll cover Astra radiance top ten next week here, so make sure the follow us on our socials so you know when that drops. You can find us on twitter...

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