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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 4, Episode 40 · 6 months ago

4-40. Palkia, use Spacial Rend!

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are BACK fresh off the Full Grip Games Astral Radiance event, and man oh man are there some updates to discuss. New decks stepped up onto the scene, old decks continued to thrive, and spice is flowing. What more can we say? Listen in!

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Yo, what is up, guys? Welcome back to tag team, the POKEMON trading card games premiere podcasting Doo. My name is Riley Hulbert, joined as always by my good, good friend Mr JW Curry Wall Gw. How's it going today? A pretty good Riley. How are you? I'm thriving, man, I'm thriving GM and I stayed up a little bit late, little past my bedtime last night talking shop and I was dead tired today as a result. We got some we got some real things accomplished, we got some good things accomplished and we have something exciting to kind of tease you with the TAG team podcast. We are coming up with some merchandise. We got some some designs in the works that we're really excited about and we're hopefully going to be showing them off to you in the next couple of weeks. Yeah, should becoming actually pretty shortly here down the pipeline, and I'm genuinely excited about this. I think it's going to be awesome. Viewer Reffen, at definitely, and I see maybe Milwaukee, depending on timing, maybe we can get something made. At worst we'll have something cooked up for world. Yeah, world's for I think. I think world's is like my timeline right. If we can get something, if we can fast track it, though, I mean if we can get something franday. I see that'd be sick. Yeah, Mila can probably on likely, but definitely world's will have something and we're excited to share the wealth with you all. But of course, merchants the only thing we've been up to. SOGDW. What's been going on in your world? Man? We installed the raised bed, I think I was. I told you that last week. I don't think. Oh, okay, we install the race bed, garden. I'll back. Oh, yes, the garden. Yes, yes, with the Kale and the cucumbers and the test come. So that's really going well because the little peppers, the little green peppers, they're coming in Nice and full. Yeah, I mean they are. They're about an inch or so at this point, but it's pretty optimal size. But well, some mud saying. You know, you work with what you got, to really work with that you got. But besides that, I'm trying to think. Oh, this weekend, of course, I went to a tournament's up an Acron Ohio, and what was? You know? Even better about that is I went up with my brother, who came down for his first ever pokemon tournaments and he went with me to Saturday and Sunday. So it was pretty exciting awesome. Yes, yeah, has has your brother like in it, like playing the cards. I think he's addicted. Yeah, it's that's my understanding. I mean he's like he's I feel like I remember where, you know, he was. I was there maybe ten years ago, like I know the feeling, though, right like now, I just I wish I have more time to play. Right, that's where I'm at, but he has, you know, time, right, no kids and stuff. No, O, their obligation. So you can just you can just play, and I remember being in those days, you know, where it's like I'm just rolling game after game on Ptcgis just like can't get enough and you know, I just just need one more win, just one more win, that kind of thing. So I think he's there, which is cool. It's just like I can't always be there to be the testing partner for him, you know. So that's what I feel the worst about. That's me with the with the Reggie deck. Right now it is a game after not stop. Play at the deck. Yeah, you're insane. Just before we started the cast I was hopping in the discord and I'm like, Riley, we got to stop, man, got to stop playing the Reggie deck so we can literally this is like, actually, I think that happened. You know, I hyper fixate all these goofy little one prize decks for every other set, or so I would say, and Reggie's definitely that guy. I mean wretch is very real and very fun, so I can't blame you. Super Fun. But of course we'll be...

...talking about all sorts of metagame analysis here and really, if we start from the top, we'll just take a look at the full grip tournament and of course that one was a very successful event run by full group Games. It was pretty cool to see. To get over a hundred and forty standard players and attendance right while competing directly against a regional is very impressive to me. So so shout outs to full grip friends of the cast for putting on an awesome show and we got to see some cool stuff. We got to see some old staples continue to thrive, we got to see some new decks, old decks with new flavor, and it was overall like just a really interesting tournament. You know, we saw the previous brilliant stars full grip event actually did have a pretty significant impact the immediate couple weeks following it when we looked at the brilliant stars metagame. Like that archiest rout on deck certainly did not prove to be the single best archist deck over the course of the format, but it was everywhere in the weeks following the full grip tournament and you know, you have to imagine some of the breakout stars from full grip again will we'll have that kind of staying power. So let's let's talk then, about what went down. For the uninformed at the full grip three five k standard event, grant manly ended up victorious with a very straightforward you deck. I think this is actually the same view deck I had built on my standard ladder for brilliant stars. Yeah, I mean seriously, there were no new cards from astral radiance in his list. It was very much copy paste from the last format and it was, I mean mew like. In retrospect, you know, you can say, Oh, you know, of course me was like the best call, but I think when you're, you know, seeing it in person, there were so many people that were playing Paulkia or playing ice rider, and a lot of people that were teching their archias decks for the Paulky ice riders instead of mew or lessening the counts of their mew counters to accommodate for this kind of unknown in Paulkia. No, I totally agree. The the metic game is definitely shifted to an interesting spot because pal kio was kind of the target on its back type deck heading into the full Gripe k you know, is the new card. Everyone was excited about it. It was clearly very strong and as we get more and more of these powerful decks it becomes harder and harder to answer them all at once, and I think no deck thrives better with like direct without direct answers, then view. Would you agree with that? I completely agree, and I think there's kind of we can take that a stuff further and talk about specific decks that are hard counters to me you, or are at least somewhat difficult from you to beat. So the whimscots of the world like pretty difficult from you to beat. Da Ludon also, you know, not the worst deck to play against, but certainly difficult to beat. And now you're adding into this mix Paul key of e Star, which you know certainly has a very, very strong whimscot matchup and you know, I'd Imagine, a pretty favorable Dr Lud on matchup as well, and that eliminated some of those big counters that we saw from the last format form you that kept it down. Additionally, just the fact that Pulky is in the format and is a factor means that all the archaeus decks have to come up with some kind of strategy against it, whether that's taking out some of their dark attackers to put in some lightning attackers, whether that's completely shifting away from dark attackers because they want to tech harder for the POLKI. I think that might do better. I certainly saw that at the Full Grip Games three point k this weekend. or It's, you know,...

...some other you know, just a commodation, like playing a bunch of avery or something. I didn't just mucking up the deck, is what I mean to say, to try to accommodate for the PULKIA. You definitely saw a lot of that happening, which makes it a little bit less of a harsh environment. For me v Max, and it's really no surprise that it was able to win. And I think even expanding onto that as well, like even if we take a step back from, you know, the ones goots, the drought ons and the archeus decks, a lot of decks were, you know, jamming in these dark packages as well. It's certainly mew as proven that it's able to play around those kinds of things, but repeatedly they kind of wear or mew down, is how I look at it. Like if you're a new player and you hit an Archius dark, you'll probably beat down like half of the time, but that means half of the time you're losing. And the same thing for like all of these other dark right and if the and if the field is you know, you're playing archias dark after archieus dark after all, it wears you down right, like eventually you stop to youse get out of contention because you're you've been tatting too many of these s and you're losing eventually. And that also goes for like some of those like one prize dark box, you type decks, and all of those matchups kind of were washed away, so to speak. You know, at Pun not intended, but you know, in retrospect I wish it was by Palkia. You know, Palkia is very overwhelming for those types of decks. The dark boxes, it can use the grinning guy, I can use the greninge of rating grdinges attack to snipe the dasiles and the one prize is out of play. Against the archeus decks, it can just really overwhelm them if they go wide with like can Talian archias dark and it gets hard to counteract that very quickly. And so the dark decks kind of fade away, which means you has this huge opening. She just slide in and and do a ton of damage on the format, and that's exactly what we saw grant manly take advantage of. There's also another mew and the top eight. I think there's maybe even one more in the top six multiple more in the top sixteen. Yeah, so you definitely had an amazing showing at the full group Games event. But that's not to say that there were no new faces either. You know mew and think we're all relatively familiar with me. Hopefully it's not too big of a surprise that me you did well and kind of a new metagame. I think that's where you thrives the best. But the water decks showed up and they showed up hard as well. Is it what I would also call out, you know, second and third place, both using different takes on water. In second place we had Josh Frink, who is playing the ice rider deck with the new addition of radiant Haluccha to be able to reach for higher damage numbers against Those v Max has, you know, the Muse of the world, particularly also the mirror match, and also played Palka Line, both as an alternate attacker and a way to power up your ice rider without using melody, which gives you the flexibility to use cars like boss, to use cars like rocksand to use cards like Leon to really up the power level of the ice rider deck. Now, JW, what are your thoughts on ice rider, because minor are still that is mostly just kind of okay. I've played a lot of ice rider. Actually, that weekend while I was sitting at home grinding away, I'm TC oh and I was a little underwhelmed by the deck. I would say it just still had that same ice rider in consistency to it is what it felt like. Well, it's really interesting that you say that because if given my opinion, I've actually played Josh Frank, the second place minature, in my round one and I knew that he was playing ice rider and I was playing Paulkia and I wasn't playing any big charms. So I knew that his ice riders are going to be able to one shot my main attack or the polky of e Star and I wasn't going to be able to watch got in return. So I knew it...

...was just a really, really difficult matchup and I was kind of hoping, okay, maybe there's some way I can take advantage of like a slower start, maybe I can't snipe the drizzles, maybe I can just kind of overwhelm him with early pressure like Paulkia tries to do. But in all the games I really wasn't able to do that. He drew. You know, I'm not going to say like Oh, he drew the nuts every game, but it did really feel like the deck float extremely well. He was able to get two sabbles down and, you know, to ice riders down both of the Games that we finished like it just really flowed very well and he probably should have won both of the Games. He admitted in the first game that he made a little bit of a misplay with His v Star power attaching to the bench instead of the active and then his ice rider got stuck and it was just a little bit of a kind of an awkward situation at the end and I was able to squeak out one win there. But yeah, I mean his deck just float extremely well and I was really impressed with the ice rider because, like you said, I haven't really been a big fan of the ice rider deck either in the past. But I do think that the Paulkia shores up a lot of the issues. I do think Talkya helps allsider had. I do think Talkya helps a lot, although I will note that we saw a kind of the inverse of that popping off in the de Finals, where Josh really struggled to get going at all versus Shoreyo. Just did not get enough pokemon and play was getting his ice riders knocked out like very consistent stant only at the start of the game and they that kind of just like fell apart after that, and I don't think that's something that is necessarily unique to Josh. Playing against grant Manley in the finals. I think that something that is inherent to the ice rider deck. Whether that means the ice starter deck isn't good. You can never maids to be seen, because getting that one shot on the the stars is certainly a very valuable tree. As more V stars enter them Ata, it only becomes more of a valuable trait. You know, in the last format you only really played archias, right, so yeah, you're one shutting archis, but you know, me you was still a huge threat and that was like the other half of the Meta game, whereas now, if the metagame is like one third archie, is it one third Palkia and then one third everything else. Now I started has like a nice little niche it can slip into where one shots even more of the Meta game than it did in previous formats. Yeah, definitely, definitely, I think ice rider is here to stay. You know, I wouldn't say that it's a it doesn't feel to me like a, you know, an stire deck. It doesn't feel like a format defining deck, but it feels like a very solid deck in the metagame that you just need to be prepared for. I'd say like high tier to you know, it just feels like, again, like you said, if the Meta is very the star dependent, and Especially v Star, without choice belts, which a lot of decks have been dropping, pelt charms of it hasn't our big shot. Sorry, yeah, big charms, which a lot of decks, you know, either haven't been playing, which we really didn't see a lot of big charm with the Pulkia variance that we're doing well, or, you know, I think they've been kind of dropping out of the archaius builds in favor of a little bit more aggressive choice belt, you know, gusting Zigzagoon Chinagan. So yeah, that's kind of my my take on it. It didn't feel like overwhelmingly strong, although in the couple games that I played against Josh it really popped off. It feels like a known presence at this point. It feels like a deck that you know will comprise, you know, a decent amount of the overall metagame, but not something that I think will ever dominate the Meta game. I could agree with that. Yeah, so let's take a look at the other side been of the water coin. So ice rider of course getting second place, but really the star of this set has been pal key of e Star that's the car it's really gotten people talking. The one that we spend a lot of time talking about. Last week show even played...

Palkia the Fil griph games event and I kind of bashed on it a little bit. I was, you know, in my head, Paul Kia doesn't have much. That's like going for it better than Archius. Like archieus and Palkia to me feel like similar decks. Obviously not the same. There's very like different, you know, kind of kind of how they bring their strategies to fruition. But you know you're trying to set up this v Star, you're trying to hit for that like two hundred and twenty number on turn to with a gust potentially, and like you have some other tools so you can work with around that main attacker. So it felt like to me kind of similar in essence to our CAUS DEX. But I was kind of hating on the on the Palky at deck before the tournament because I'm like, why is this better? Yes, yeah, and you ended up playing it. I did end up playing it. So what kind of what shifted your mind then, like why did you think Calkyo was a good choice for this tournament after maybe not being a believer in it. Well, I wanted to play it for one just to get I mean it's kind of low stakes. You know, tie steaks because there's money online, but it's low stakes because, you know, I'm not gunning for championship points or the cloud. That comes from a from a quote unquote, real event. Right. So so there was that right to kind of get a feel for it. To be clear. You value cloud more than money. Well, that's true. I mean what would you rather have? Probably money really in Pokemon, I mean the most money you can make is like winning worlds, right. So, well, that comes with infinite cloud as well. So well, I agree. So I'd rather have the cloud. You're saying that you would want to take away all the cloud from winning worlds and just get the money. I don't think it's necessarily like that's what your sent to watch. That's what the literal words out of your I mean, I would trade the cloud if I could. Know that. I want world get all the money and have the trophy and stuff like. Yeah, but that's the side that. Yeah, okay, Anyway, I did guess, but what ultimately made me want to go with Paulkia is, I kind of thought that people wouldn't have found the optimal lines against it. So it was kind of it felt to me like it could kind of be a it could kind of catch some players by surprise. You know, it was an unknown quantity, right, like people knew at this point, for the most part, how to play against archeustics. People know at this point how to play against the mew deck out to play against and how do you play against archiasticks? You want, you want to share the secret? Well, I'm just saying, like the no kind of what's in the list. They know, you know, like what their strategy is. Right, it is like against Paul Kia. Maybe there's, you know, different things, like obviously you don't want to overbench, right. That's a thing that I thought of, that I could maybe catch some people overbenching or you know, there's just it's an unknown quantity. People have your Jesus that much against it, right? Right, I'm a genius and everyone else's, you know, just just a little plebeian. So I was hoping for that and I didn't quite get that, because a lot of people were EI they're playing Paul Kia or playing a rogue. I played a lot of rogue decks that didn't really care about the POLKIA strategy. So so for me personally, it didn't really work out the way I was hoping to. But yeah, I kind of saw Palukyas as maybe a little bit, you know, going for that aggressive style that the archaius wants to do. I was like, okay, they I can see, you know, getting a turn to knockout on a v seems to be, you know, very real possibility with the Palkya deck. And then again, maybe players won't know exactly how to play against it. So those are my thoughts going into the weekend and for me personally it didn't quite work out. Again, there were four in the top eight for Pak a deckx, you know, Paukey, ice rider. You...

...know we're going to count that. But for decks that had Pulkia in it, and two of them the Pulky was the main attacker. So it had a really nice showing. Just didn't really buff out for me. So you know, you you kind of explain your logic for how you arrived at Palkya. You explain why maybe didn't work out for you. Why do you think Palkia was successful for some of these other players and in fact Arkis didn't really see much success at all in terms of the top eight. So why do you think Palkey I kind of rose to the top there when Archias did not? I think players that maybe would have played archias shifted. You know, some of the players I would have played arkis shifted to Palkya. But I also feel like just the tools surrounding the polkia packet, like the tools of the Pakia package have, are a little bit easier to maintain and set up. You have the archias package that you could play like B drill, but that's not particularly good. If you actor in that. There's going to be Palkia, but that's a little bit of a kind of a convoluted thing to get out. Sometimes you get the devote a lot of dexpace to it. But with the Poky deck you have all these different tools that just flow real nicely. You know, the radiant Grenache is not only a setup pokemon but it can also attack. The starmy is like another really solid one where if you catch you opponent slipping that star, we can put in a lot of work. The Paul key itself. You know, again, you're kind of limiting your opponent in ways that over the course of a game you might not seem that bad. On an individual turn. You know, your opponent's thinking, okay, I'm not going to bench this sobble because then it gives my opponent a little extra damage boost. But over the course of the game maybe that, you know, has the ripple effect of okay, they weren't able to get their drizzile up on the next turn. Thus they weren't able to get their quick shooter on the, you know, the next turn from that, and then they weren't able to set up a Ko like. It just kind of compounds on itself the ways that Polka can make. Decks have to choose and players have to choose. What the what the bench? So I think again, I think if some of my matchups kind of buffed out a different way, I'd be telling a different tale. I have some really like rough, rough stories, right, I know, I know, but, but, but that's why I would say is like the package that surrounds the Paulkia is is pretty strong. Yeah, I mean I think my take on it, and let me know if you feel differently, is what Palkia and ice, or it archie, is kind of trade off against each other. Is Archaius has some more like inherent like consistency and yet think it's game plan off because it accelerates with its attack and it has the starbirth ability, which is, you know, the most crazy ability you've ever seen. But PALKIA trades and it has the healing potential, is what the Archias also has, you know, the tank and heel strategy. You know has no weakness with the done spars. It's able to chance care that kind of stuff. Palkia trades those benefits for the benefits of really like high explosiveness, like getting very high damage numbers out of nowhere and getting those ocode potentials right that archius can't reach for. You know, Palkia can get actually a surprise like eighty damage, a hundred if you get a quick shooting on board. You know, you got the Leon's, you got the choice spelt and you got the echoing Horn and then potentially quick shooting. That's eighty two hundred damage that you can kind of just get that. Your opponent isn't really able to play on any of those things. You know, they could play their bed super thin and you could still reach for Okos with that kind of math going for it. So I think that's kind of what pal Kia brings to the table that archieus lacks is that really shockingly high amount of damage, and it can get there fairly consistently if you build the deck to do that. You know, the third place list that Mike's get my gibbs piloted definitely had that kind of energy right, had that kind of explosive energy to it. We could believeor Palkia,...

...though, if the kind of deck that you could talk about for a while, with all the Utalia on Combos, I could put together. Well Do. Yeah, there's there's definitely something to be said for what the build of Polkia will be going forward. I really didn't like the version that I was playing, which was heavier on the research and the Marnie and I do feel like with Paulkey, and I was talking about this before the tournament, but I couldn't quite get any traction in the group about just a melanie focused build of Paul Kia. And while even that wasn't what ended up doing well, builds that didn't discard their resources with their supporters or shuffle their resources back into the deck. Like a research and Marni were not that prevalent in the lists of ice riter Palkia. That did well and I thought that was really interesting because you're just trying to amass this big hand, much in the way that swee coon did. Yeah, you know in past formats, much in the way. So we can dig of not playing research, not playing Marni, or maybe like a single count of one of them. You know, you're able to just keep these big hands, be able to pull off these different combos that you need and really take control of the game that way. Absolutely. Yeah, and I actually did like a lot the list that Mike gives had. They're definitely changes that I would maybe look to make going forward, but you know, if you're looking for a framework to start a palculist, I think that's a really solid starting point. Yeah, his list is interesting. I mean there's the Minion Combo on turn one with with the new supporter, the the Arita, so you go luminion v use the ability grab the areta out of the deck and then Rita can get you a water pokemon and then any item card, so you can go ahead and grab a battle VIP pass. If it's the first turn of the game and boom you have for Pokemon and play and you're getting ready to the star power, you get an attack or set up and then just go ham on whatever they have on board. I think that's really cool. It wasn't something that I put a lot of stock into because I was thinking about Rita's being like a one of also with a one of battle VIP pass. But I think maybe boosting that count could encourage me to like the Combo a little bit more, just because it's more easily able to be, you know, performed on that right turn of the game. Also more likely to have it in hand without Lumini on, which lets you use that cookball for, you know, another card. Yep, for sure, more save the Lumini on for and then Game Leon or something. There's also a kind of more like I was I was dealing with a little bit of the cross switch. You're verying. I was kind of playing with that the night before and I was liking it to an extent. But yeah, I'm really curious to see how you know these these no research, no marny builds work, because that was maybe my missing piece. I was as a little too discard happy in a little too traditional and your deck building little too additional, for sure. So I think there's one of the deck that we should talk about before we jump into our cart of the day and talk about the future of the Meta here, and that, of course, is the Reggie deck. Noland free to take that Reggie deck to the top four, fortunately losing to grant manly with his new deck. I believe Nolan prized like both Reggie you guys or something and game three and could find the heavy ball or something like that. Really like a sad tale, maybe even sadder than that, your storagew and. But Reggie is, like we're saying earlier, very real, one prize deck. It handles a lot of other rowe strategies very well as well. You know, things like the mill tanks of the world, things like the Sander type decks really struggle against the Reggie deck. You know, it's got a lot of cool things going for it. I've really enjoyed playing it because it has that just awesome feeling...

...of getting all six edgy into play and accelerating the crazy special energy. You feel like amazing. If you scoop up net the Reggie Giggas, maybe an accelerate twice. It's so cool. So, Gw you know, having played in this event, what were your thoughts on the Reggie Deck? Well, finally feels like just the list makes so much sense. You know. Yeah, Andrew, Andrew Profile the deck months ago and you know, it was good, it was cool, but that's kind of all we really negated it to, right, as like, oh, it's cool, it's fun, like this would be a good meme deck. But just the build I was really impressed with because it kind of brought this deck into the end of the forefront in my mind of being, I would I would honestly say, like a top three deck at this point. Like it has the power, it has the it hits the weaknesses that you want to hit. It doesn't even need to hit for weakness, you know, but that's just like an added bonus, right. Yeah, and it and it is consistent enough. Is it like overly consistent? Not Particularly, but there are certainly things that you can do to make it, you know, slightly more consistent. I digress. But one of the things that I really like about the deck is that, you know, there's space in it, right, so you can play the trekking shoes, you can play the hassuing heavy ball like, you can play all these weird little text if you want it. The other really interesting take on the deck that we didn't see in the weeks leading up to it is the for speed lightning, energy, three regil lucky. I thought that that was like a brilliant Combo there, because of course you just want to attach energy every turn, in the first few turns of the Games, like it doesn't really matter what you get down on where, because you're going to be able to recycle it later with the Reggie Giggis. So being able to attach a speed lightning, which is you know that the two card draw. It's really nice, and the deck like this is just kind of that. Oh Aha, that light bulb moment for me with this deck. That really kind of unlocked a lot of the possibilities. Yeah, this archetype. I totally agree. The speed lightning was kind of the the last piece of the puzzle that needed to be assembled for Reggie to feel smooth and consistent, and it definitely makes a difference. You know, you feel it over the course of your games, the how much values speed lightnings providing you. You know that two cards. That could be the difference between getting your six Reggie and play and not. In many games that could be the difference. You know, you're also so easily able to get that Reggie into play with the stormy mountains. So it's just really awesome Combo, really cool to see and certainly like. I think there's going to be people trying more and more things at the Reggie deck. I see it all over the ladder and it's a force. I think. The only you know, on my experience, the only thing that Reggie really doesn't like to see is like crazy strategies that are like completely anti Reshi. Yeah, Glaren wheezing. Yeah, like for Larry teasings imply Bou shakes. That's so you get guts the coughing and ironically, like the archeus decks can be really challenging because they'll play that down sparse and they can have a man I fee and play and they could charans care loop. It gets kind of asty versus apis. Yeah, but Archaeus is definitely lost a substantial metagame share at this cross section of time. Yes, definitely. Do I expected to stay that way? Maybe not, but it at the current instant as a recording this on June first of two thousand and twenty two, Archias has lost of Meta share. So I think that's the top eight and a lot of cool decks, a lot of cool ideas, certainly more to explore an astral radience. You'll notice we didn't call out Samurat or dark cry. We didn't call out the Blissy Mil tank deck, and maybe that's for the best. And Yeah, I don't want to see any of that on the ladder. For sure I do because I'm playing reggie all that.

I mean, I guess before we go into into, you know, full read mode, do you do you think the Blissy deck is real? Do you like it? I did play against one and I lost to it. Now I think it's right. Well, I went forward to to so, you know, a lot of fair, fair amount of fair amount of losing outside. Yeah, yeah, fair amount of losing. Um, you know, it was it was kind of it was kind of crushing, no pun intended. Like the crushing hammers are really just a strong card. We've kind of seen a little bit of a resurgence lately in crushing Hammer. It just one Vancouver Crouching Hammer. Archis right. So it's still a good card in the format for sure. So that is always going to be somewhat real like anytime you threw a crushing hammer into a deck that can the deck is right now no it. You know it has the potential to win and it can one hit Ko, right. So you have this like wall strategy that you can pivot fairly easily into like an oh hit Ko strategy. It as it's flaws. Crazy that you just did an o hit Koh. I did say, Oh hey, you did a one hit Ko strategy. So you know, there are aspects about it that I really like. And then has this kind of tanking potential. The problem, and I couldn't quite capitalize on it in my loss, but the problem is just having the necessary amount of resources in hand. You know, if you have a huge hand and you're able to maintain a big hand with that deck, you're eating good right, you're going to be able to fan away scrushing hammer. He'll charon's care, attach your energy like it's all good and you feel unstoppable and then you get marnyed or you get rocksand and you don't have an attacker built up. That's when things got gets really, really scary if you can't maintain that hand presence. So it feels like a real deck. I think that this archetype is something that's going to be further refined. Maybe it just turns into a male tank deck, you know, ditch the blissy all together. But I like the blissy as a way to kind of steamroll opponents that maybe have a little bit of a slower start. You can really ramp up those huge numbers. So feels real to me and lost to it. Yeah, I mean Blissye also also does fry that pressure against decks that are maybe slowly building up to deal with MIL tanks. Yeah, the Blissy on board has a lot of presents to it. You know, you attack once with that thing and all of a sudden you're doing like two hundred damage. The next turn, tack twice, you're doing infinite damage the turn after that. So you know, I'm not a huge fan of the deck personally, but I think the strategy does have some merit to it. Now there's so many decks that we could talk about. There's so much cool stuff going on in astral radiance. We'll talk more about the future of the Meta in the second half of the cast. But jaw, why don't you give us a little bit of a breather with a car of the day? Yeah, well, we've been talking a lot about Reggie Giggas and I was thinking about some of the most famous Reggie giggas cards from past formats and I think there's one that stands out to me. This was about the time that I was starting to get into the game and this strategy that this Reggie Gagus employed was something that I had never seen before. If you've never seen this deck play, you got to go back and look at odds. You gotta go back and look at any videos you can on Youtube of Reggie giggas level x. So Reggie giggas level acts as a poka power sacrifice and it does kind of what you would expect here. Once during your turn, you may choose one of your pokemon and that Pokemon is knocked out. So you're willingly giving your opponent prizes right your it's your poke...

...power. You knock out one of your bench Pokemon, then search your discard pile for up to two basic energy cards, attached them to Reggie Giggas and remove eight damage counters from Reggie giggas. So the idea here is that you're knocking out your Pokemon, but you're keeping this Reggie giggas alive. Turn after turn. It's getting bigger, it's getting stronger and even though you're sacrificing these bench pokemon, there might actually be a good reason to so. Reggie GIGGAS was paired, probably most famously, with the mess sprit from like mysterious treasure, I believe. But there was a Messprit that, when you played it from your hand to the bench, it blocked all of your opponent's poke of powers. So they would like to play poke powers that drew them cards or, you know, otherwise advanced their board state, and you could just shut all that off by dropping one messprit. And so eventually your bench would get full of Mess Brits and Ooksi's, maybe an aslf in there. The lake trio is really, really popular in those days. But then you could just pick them off one by one so you could keep creating room on your bench to be able to play down another Messprit, played down another hook, see whatever it was you wanted, and also heal from your active Reggie giggus. So it is really cool card had a gigablaster attack that did a hundred damage and discarded the top of your opponent's deck and then discarded one card from their hand. So you are also kind of get getting rid of their resources turn after turn. And it also had a drag off attack on the basic that could bring up something from their bench if they're trying to build it up. So it's just a really cool deck. Had had a lot of different options and it was pretty hard to play because you're kind of clocking yourself right like you have six prizes and you're going to give them up turn after turn to your opponent, and so you need to be able to, you know, manage that whole situation where you're trying to heal. You're basically tanking with a single attacker and if that thing ever gets knocked out, then you know it's curtains. You're trying to just go in turn after turn. It's it's a really cool deck, so I would would recommend and that's that's my car to the day. Reggie Gigas Level X. awesome choice. Yeah, that Tock was bockers. It was really good and insanely fun to play, but also very challenging. Well, it was really hard to play and not a lot of people played it and not a lot of people that played it played it well. So that's like kind of one of the when you look back on that late SP format, Reggie Geggas was one of those decks that you know wasn't really perfected until later on in the metagame and you just didn't see a lot of people play it particularly well. Definitely one of those like hindsight type decks for sure. I think if you find that out, you know, kind of at the beginning of the format, then maybe it's a little bit bigger of a player and more people get hip to it, but just wasn't really that popular. That's an awesome choice shit of you. Thank you for your car of the day and here at tag team, of course we have someone else to thank, and that is our sponsors over at manscape. Should W want to you briefly tell us about manscaped? Yeah, well, you will not want to sacrifice your genitalia on the altar of bad grooming habits. Know that is not good. The friends over at manscaped keep your down their hairs in check with all their great products. We have been using everything from the razor to the ear and nose hair trimmer to the boxers to I had my brother down here. He used the the shampoo and conditioner. He said he smells great. So there you go. That's a just yet another positive...

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...vitul package. You know, we've seen some people try like the visual package and these more wacky archaius variants. And the leg up I think that the Pikachu has is it's just a free retreater, the flying pikachos. So it's like a pretty okay card to have on your board in the beatual deck because you can use it to retreat into your Beatril, you know, when for everybody. Yeah, I mean if you think about other partners, other like v Max Partners that we've seen archias pair with, they all have highish retreat like the one pre eminent one is obviously the the diroludon right. So you know that that boy's real fat. You got to make sure you're playing a switch to make sure to get him out of the active but I feel like the Pikachu is kind of cool because he's got that for your treat. That's just a huge bonus today's Day and age. Totally. So that was something I was thinking about. Was the Peeka chew as well, in various forms. And then I was also even thinking of just trying like more of an Andrew Dankis Pablo Masa style, like straight archius. You know, I think that reference that last week. I still think there's some potential. They're just get a big charm on an archais. Keep your bench then and say nothing can deal with this. Yeah, there were definitely times over the weekend as a Polka player that my archius opponents, whether or not they meant to, only had one benched pokemon and we're able to really effectively deal with the threat of ARCIS. They didn't over discard, so I wasn't able to, you know, get him with the echoing horn. Yeah, and they just you know whether or not again, whether or not that was the intended game plan. It really kind of hurt because they had their archaius on board and then they had maybe either a second archis or, you know, their backup attack or garrettose or something, and it just really kind of altered what I was trying to do as a polkey player. So you know, I certainly think that that Archius has possibility to play around it. Now, do Archius DEX try to look for ways to limit further the damage output a Polka by, instead of playing maybe the the Italian package, maybe shifting more towards a Bible package? That I think is certainly a possibility. I think there's there's chances of that. It also, like the B barrel package, is more resilient against cards that hate apt against dark sand and also cards that hate against in telly on. You know, if you're playing jilty on or weird stuff like that, be verrel is obviously unaffected. You know, if you have crazy archaeus Malam art decks, for example, like those, can't really do anything. wheress be barrel where's right. They obviously thrive against the Italian package by getting that jolty on down. So I think Archius is in my opinion, it's a little bit under explored in the Ashure radience format. I think people are really excited by the new cards, and rightfully so. They're exciting cards, yes, but you know sometimes, sometimes the card that won like every event is worth looking at. You know, it's at least worth considering. You know, keep it the of your head. Yeah, it's it's going to be interesting. I mean, I this is not the end of Archias by any means. I don't think it's going to be a lot of experimenting, though, to try to get the right mix of what's that, what's that attacker, because I do feel like, and maybe you feel differently here, but I don't really think that the really think that the BEA droll package, you know, really makes a lot of sense anymore if you figure that Paul Ki is going to take a significant portion of the metagame share and you just depends on ultimately eracles and kind of what you're thinking of going into a tournament. Like maybe feel like it's otherwise good enough against Palkio, you still include the bee because you think it's valuable enough in other matchups, or maybe make the call that like be doesn't do anything anymore, so I'm just going to play dark plus Pikachu or one of the two or none of the two. Yeah, our case is just so flexible as an archetype that you can basically make anything work you if you put your mind to it. So that's...

...kind of the benefit of it. You know, you see some really crazy arcius decks. You go down the Booneys, you'll see archie steps to like four different energy types. I'm certainly not playing any of those, but you know you can just by two. Yeah, I think another of the kind of deck's caught in the crosshairs of this polkia shift of the metagame is Ershfoo. You know, I actually was going to comment that I think Urshpoo is a little bit under explored right now, because Ourshfoo does get some interesting new tools. You know, you have the canceling clone for example, where if on your Yoga Loup turns, you can pull off some pretty crazy stuff by dis gusting up the man ifee and coloning it and then using your rapid flow, for example. So those are honestly the decks that I'm most interested to explore right now. Are The existing decks and making them fit into the metagame. Chefs, sure, sure, and that's that's our good point here. I mean certainly we've seen ersh food x get a little crazy with the text and I wouldn't be surprised to see canceling clone just with how prevalent the manifee is. So that'll be something that we can explore a little bit. But it just doesn't seem like archeus is that well positioned. I mean were we're one unofficial event into the format, but it just I don't know, to me it just doesn't feel like it has the right matchup spread for I I just wonder if people are going to end up coming back to Arkius. You know, maybe not for Milwaukee, but maybe, like by any I see, maybe people are considering Arcius more and more. I just feel like people are so excited by the new cards and again, like rightfully so. There's a lot of cool new cards that are fun to play and are impactful on the metagame. But is that something that will will stay? You know, will there be this few archias going forward? And I don't think the answer is yes. Nor do I necessarily serially think there. Ursh fool will necessarily need archias to find success. Either you know like it or Shmu is really good at dealing with those wide bench type and telly on decks as well. You know, just snipe the intellience. All you have to do is get that man if you out to play. So I don't I think it's too soons write any of our old titans off. I mean we saw me you when the full grip event. So you know, I think there's more to be seen with all of our old titans. Sure. Are there any decks that maybe didn't play swell at full grip, that new decks, I should say, out of the astral radiance Meta or, you know, out of the astral radiance expansion, that you were surprised maybe didn't do particularly well? I'm kind of going to answer your question, not as you're asked it. But one, one deck that I that almost made toppy. So it didn't quite get that top eight threshold, but I think is actually good and will likely continue to not see a lot of flight just because of the deck that it is. Is Control. Control can struggle against Reggie. There has to. There has to be some sort of answer out there for Reggie that I just don't realize, probably like a Napoleon be or something. But outside of that, like the matchup Sir improves substantially, I think, because now, instead of relying on this silly little Altaria, you have a mill tank. You know, my biggest criticism of Sanders old control deck, the one that had the zoric package, is you're doing so much just against like the archeus decks in particular, just so you could get this altaria in play and keep it alive. Well, and you had to loop it right, because right, well, you had to. You had to have the Altario with the pot helmet, a Swablo on the bench, a gorgeous on the bench if...

...they played quick shooting man, I fee on the bench. You needs all this stuff just to like stay in the game at all versus Archias. And if you manage to get all of it in play and they didn't have any ghosts left, you won. But that's a tall order, whereas now the mill tank is such a low maintenance package by comparison. So you have that going for you in addition to all the other really cool tools that you have with that kind of eldags sloop package. You know, you have the umbreyon's on a moon badge type thing going on. You have just all the crazy supporters that you can loop over and over with alda gas. So I think there's something there and that's another archetype that excites me that I don't think we'll see a ton of play. You know, control never sees a lot of play, but I think it's something that's pretty good heading into ash radiance. How about another deck that was pretty well represented at full grip but didn't have the finishes his Suey and Samura. Yeah, I think that's kind of where your question was leading with Samura. Yeah, Samura seems just kind of like okay to me. Sama. It can reach for numbers in like it's all. It's Weird Because Samurai theoretically is lower maintenance to get to like two hundred fifty damage that Palkia, but I think in practice it actually struggles to execute on that consistently. You know, you don't have access to Melanie. You don't have access to an ability that just accelerates three energy into play. You don't have access to an item that can draw to energy out of your deck. You don't access to you on the can draw two energy out of your deck. You have to be on the bench to use dark patch. It's just like a lot of weird things that make it hard for Samura to like consistently get the game plan that it wants. I do think it has like some potential still. You know, it can reach some pretty crazy numbers in their early turns especially, but I think it's just not quite a consistent enough package to consistently thrive. You know, it's you'll probably see spatterings of placings for Samurai, but unless like the engine is figured out and smoothed out, I don't expect it to be like consistently topping deck. Do you have any dissenting opinions on that? I would agree with you. I think that's where my head's at. There, with the Hissuian Samurat, you're just just not as consistent as these other v Star decks, the Arkius, the Polkia, like you're just gonna be less consistent and for what right? Like her less consistent and you're not really doing anything that's particularly crazy in comparison. So yeah, I think that analysis a spot on. There's another dark deck that also had a top sixteen finish over at full grip. That is the dark Ry v Star. I think we should give a little bit of credence to that deck. I was playing the polky a deck the night before the full grip tournament and I ran into a dark ryv star deck on the ladder and it absolutely popped off, and that's I made a little tweet about. I was like, you know, I'm not I wouldn't actually be shocked of dark ry one the event just because of how smooth the deck ran. It got a couple of dark ride down, it got a couple of dark patch down. In that first turn I was able to get a muletrace on the bench, shows able to get XP shares and play like it just felt like an had, you know, like seven energy on board after the first turn and then from there it just you know, compounds on itself with the energy attachments and the mole trace and the baby mole trace accelerating from hand like it was doing three hundred damage by turn three and it just felt unstoppable. So, you know, that was the genesis of that tweet and I really did feel like every one game, seeing the power level of the deck, I was like, oh my gosh, this could really be a thing. Yeah, I...

...think. I think dark rye is probably a little undervalued at the start of this format. You know, I felt like people were really excited in the months looking up to ashureradiance and then people realize like yeah, you know, maybe this is just not consistent. I don't really like this anymore. You know, you're bad. If Dark R I type five is kind of what I was getting. But I think the real key to making decks like this successful is like really streamlining it. You know, darker I should really do nothing but draw cards and attach energy as quickly as possible. And I think right now the way that people are building decks very like tech heavy, very like exploratory with their lists, and you just can't do that with x like Dark Rye. You have to just be go, go, go. I'm going to research every turn, maybe boss one turn out of the game and I'm going to get a million energy on board and win. And I think the folks who have kind of realized that have made some pretty awesome lists. You know, I've seen dark Ryn the ladder fair amount as well and it's always been threatening fairly quickly into the game. So I the question almost is like can the deck continue to innovate, in my opinion, because yeah, like you might consistently be doing that damage, but doesn't matter if, like you're playing. It's mew and they're just turned to knocking you out going second, or tier one got knocking I going second, and like you're just trading evenly from there. Like doesn't even matter at that point, right? Or see kind of the same idea with Palky like if they go first and, you know, take a knockout before you can really do anything, does it even matter? And I think that's where dark eyes struggles this because it has to be so straightforward. It lacks the trickiness that some of these other decks have till like really stay in the game if it falls even a little bit behind. HMM, and that's I played a lot of you on like the Friday and Saturday last weekend and I was like trounsing dark eyes because exactly what I described, like I would take a knockout before they did and they can't win after that. Right. Absolutely. Is there any room in the metaphor a counterbox deck? I'm thinking something that maybe has Ryku, maybe has clarion, mold trace, maybe it's combined with some kind of archy as package, but it's you know, maybe a Hoopah as well, just kind of playing all these different basic a ackers to try to hit four different weaknesses. Is there something like that that you see is being, you know, a deck that has the potential to win any of these upcoming tournaments? In all honesty, I've never thought of counterbox decks is being tournament winning decks. Yeah, if I'm keeping it a hundred I've never liked them. I've never liked the counter energy decks. I never liked like silly little zoroarc decks that played everything, every single weakness. Like they just never really vibed with me and I kind of still have that opinion. I think those strategies are inherently not able to execute very consistently because they have so much going on and typically they have to like run really odd counts of things. You know, it's they get really hurt by prizes or opening hands. Just not really my thing. So answer question like not really, I don't think so. You know, I've certainly think there's room to explore. You know, you have the Gerashi v now, which is like a cool way to kind of like keep those counter attackers powered up, but I think ultimately like they just can't jam it enough stuff to they can't they both can't jam it enough stuff to like hit everything they need and they're not consistent enough even with the stuff that they have jammed into like really thrive right, right. Any other decks that we haven't talked about that you want to hit on? Nothing too crazy. I think we...

...hit kind of like the big hitters in my book, I guess. Is Anything jump out to you? Yeah, I mean there is that that. I're just curious to see what people will do with the mill tank. It felt like from what I was seeing, like okay, Mil tank, bilicy, like fine, you know, that feels fine, but, like you were saying earlier, there definitely is room in the stall archetype, the mill archetype, to incorporate the blissy in a big way. No way that the milt seascus me said, Blis see incorporate the mill tank in a big way, in a way that you ill, Terrio, just couldn't fill a void that I'll Terio, just couldn't feel. So I'm excited to see what comes from the mill tank deck in the future, whether that is like an attacking strategy or more of a more of a stall strategy. I think that would be a really cool kind of thing to put some time into heading into if not Milwaukee, then at least heading into Ana. I see to at least have some kind of beat and some kind of read on what a you know, optimal, quote Unquote, stall deck would look like in this format. Totally, I agree. So, JW, before we sign off here, what's the piece of parting wisdom for the TAG team listeners out there? Oh, man, I think take I think take Paulkya seriously. Yeah, I mean I'd. I definitely didn't, and I think it it cost me a little bit because I wasted a little bit of time not testing with Pulkia and you know, ultimately I came to a list that I don't think was the best and I maybe if I had put a little bit more time into it I might have come up with a little bit better list. So that would be for me, like in this form out right now, like Palky is a real, real quantity. I didn't give it the credence. Maybe you did and like you're way smarter than me, for sure, and I'm speaking to the listeners, not you, Riley. I know you're not smarter than me. Yeah, I'm significantly stupider. Yeah, for sure, for sure. You know, maybe you did give it the credence that it deserves, but I think it's, you know, it's certainly here to say. It certainly feels like a tier one deck. Yeah, Paulkia, bucky is real. My piece of advice would be kind of like adding on to that, like getting the lab right now. You know you have any I see in Milwaukee and they're going to be in the infancy of a format. This is the biggest time in a format where you can capitalize people not knowing what cards do. Both that and just being the most prepared right. Yes, you know, not everybody will be willing or able to put in the time. So if you're listening this cast, like now is the time to really get in the lab, get your hands dirty, figure out exactly the car the counts that you want, the cards you want to include, the deck that you're looking to play and run the heck out of it, running against the gualt. Figure it out, have all its matchups memorized, and that's how you will actually see success at Milwaukee and an I see I will also say from this weekend, like spice is very good. Like I'm going to be looking for some spice heading into Milwaukee, because there were a lot of times during the course of this tournament where I was like, well, they definitely don't play this card, and then they played that card and I was like, oh my gosh, you got me, like you deserve to win this game because you just smoked me with this random card and you know, Gig well played. So yeah, I'm going to be looking at some spice here, Riley, for for Milwaukee. For sure. I'm excited. So getting the lab respect Palkia and get spicy. It is the takeaways for the listeners who are looking to prep we hope you all enjoyed this episode and if you did, there is some awesome ways that you can show your appreciation or to let us know what we can do better. First and foremost, make sure to leave rate and review and your favorite podcasting platforms, if you feel so inclined. That boost is up in the algorithm. Let's US know what we're...

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