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Season 4, Episode 41 · 3 months ago

4-41. Astral Radiance Down Under

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The boys are back and this just in - Australia has another regional coming up! This is Astral Radiance's first big time to shine. Will old favorites prevail, or is it time for young blood to dethrone them? Tag Team has got you covered!

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Yo, what does that guys? Welcome back to tag team, the POKEMON Trading Card Games Premiere podcasting duo. My name is Riley Hobart, joined as always by my good, good friend Mr JW Curry. Wall JDW. How's IT, Hagan? Who Woo? It's pretty good, Riley. Cute Little Guy Today. I'm just feeling, you know, ruffle the skirt, knocks knees together. Yeah, digs toe into ground. Yeah, twisted a little bit. I feel that for sure. Yeah, no, doing, doing pretty well. You're getting some some intense testing done just before the cast. So yeah, we're excited to share some of the well, I feel like I waffle back and forth between certain decks just just naturally, but then also, like this format, they're just feels like there's so much so it's kind of hard to pass through the weeds. But we're gonna give it our best shot in the the Nice thing is that we have a big tournament up this weekend. But before that, how are you doing, Riley? What's new with you? I'm doing pretty well, man. It's been very busy, trying to juggle a lot of different balls in the air with work and stuff, but it's been really fun. Last weekend I took some of my co workers who are going to be moving away from Madison. I took them to like a really nice fine taste experience and that was a ton of fun. I love those like absurdly extensive restaurants, right or they treat you like you are in other worldly being. You know. Yes, I've only been to like two of those, but I it's been a nice been two, maybe three, and I like to go with friends. I mean you mentioned, yeah, you to go friends, right, like. Well, I mean, but normally I go with like my wife, which is great. We love to do that kind of thing. But I also just, you know, would like to go out more just with, you know, another couple or with a few friends. So it's so fun just like enjoy the whole experience of it with like a group of friends. It was it was awesome watch the soccer game. Madison has a you know, not like national soccer league, but next all down soccer and that was pretty fun. So yeah, overall thing's been going pretty well, but I am just really excited as well for kind of where we are in the game right now, with the fact we're kind of digging into a new format again, it felt like brilliant stars honestly, was kind of wearing on me by the end just so much brilliant stars. kind of makes sense because we're trying to make up for lost time get a bunch of tournaments in, but I'm definitely excited for some astral radiance to shake things up. Yeah, I'm with you and we've seen quite a number of head scratching and I raising results in the online tournaments. I know I've been, I raising and head scratching myself and my personal testing with the things that I've tried to cobble together. And Yeah, things that have maybe worked and things that have definitely not worked, and there's a lot to discuss and I think you know, in these early stages this is kind of the most exciting parts. I agree that. I agree when it's the wild west and it hasn't been solved yet and everyone's trying to scramble to get their solution together. Yeah, that's when it's the most exciting, and this and this part of the year to write because we have the most amount of cards that will have in this format or independsive. You know, world's rotates or not. Well, true, right, but you get the idea, though. It's like the the later regionals in the year have more cards in the early reasons. So it's a little more, you know, fluid in terms of what the what the top archetypes are, because there's just more cards to choose from. Totally agree. Totally agree and you know, I'm excited just kind of dig into it. So I think let's just do it. I mean there are regional championships as soon as this weekend, you know, for in Australia we have another regional in Melbourne and just the next weekend we have Milwaukee, followed the following weekend by an AIC. So, so much stuff. It's happening so quickly. It'll be really interesting to see. I think this is where like the really powerful, good players get a chance to differentiate themselves right by, you know, showing how quickly they can adapt to the metagame shifting and changing. Yeah, I think that's very true. I mean you have these you know, I've definitely been in positions where I've been to that first regional and it just, you know, there's there's that, there's that excitement there and there's really just the opportunity for you know, people to come up with something that nobody's ever seen before and take a lot of glory...

...and a lot of cloud because they're able to pilot it, you know, to top finish. So it's really cool. We saw, you know, probably most notably in an online event. I think this had me scratching my head, this Japanese player with the name of Nissagucchi with their Dialoga deck. That has kind of been the talk of the town. Yeah, the DIALGA deck has been certainly the talk of the town. Now I will concede this Diaga player somehow did not play a single mew in the entirety of their run, but they played a heck of a lot of Palkio, which is certainly something people have their eyes on. And you ended up whenning the whole thing with a very interesting take. You know, when we think about the DIALGA decks and the way that people have been building them, it's been very kind of like slow going checkmatee style of a deck, where, you know, you throw up your diancy once or twice and you power up over a couple terms with so Sheian and you move the energy around bronze on. You know, it's a very like complicated strategy and we saw kind of a departure from that at the late night where it was more of a view from celebrations, oriented strategy and turbowing through your deck as quickly as possible, using radiant grandidia to draw you more cards, and the endgame goal being to swing with The v Star power as quickly as possible while your opponent is still evolving ideally rare Pokemon v, and then you kind of just checkmate them from there, because Zaga is a big fat pokemon only worth two prizes. You've taken multiple prizes now with Your v Star power into your next attack, which, if you have the five energy attached, you're already doing s or just one more attachment, gets to two hundred and eighty, which knocks out all the other stars if they don't have a big charm on them. And really from there you just need to call together like one more solid attack, assuming that your Dalga gets knocked out, which it might not right because it'll have, you know, two hundred and eighty or possibly even three hundred and ten, you know, not of hps. That's certainly certainly hard to take them and it was really interesting. You know, the deck only played it to to dialg and it got away with it, though, with cards like the Hissuy and Hoby Ball, you know, new introduction from the astor radius format, where it was able to, you know, play those thin lines of your main attacker and get away with it because you don't have to worry about prizing your basics right. So you do have to worry about pricing your yes, unfortunately, who'd have evolved is not grab your be stars, but at least like minimizes that risk to you know, unless you play some more turbo cards instead, which is what y'all you want the first place. Yeah, no, it's hilarious. I watched for maybe ten minutes as Andrew was playing that this morning, and it's just goes through the deck so fast. You know it. You look at it on its face and you have no idea really how it how it could ever cobbled together a win with a Utu Line of the main attacker and that's the only attacker. You're just left there, you know, kind of questioning it. How did it do so well? But, like you said, one of the biggest things didn't hit any you didn't hit a single mill tank deck which, with their current build would have been an auto loss. And you know, just again solid, solid luck throughout the rounds. And that's not to minimize that the wind, though, I think deck was a really impressively built deck. It was a really interesting strategy. You know so many it's such a big departure from the way that we've been thinking about the Alga, which is one of the exciting things about these new formats, as you can explore these cards in ways that literally nobody has had the chance to you like truly think of. And he found his little niche in the metagame and and plowed right through it. Certainly, so that was awesome to see. Of course they a'G wasn't the only star of the show, but that was the one that certainly cop people's attention. Palkia, I think, was ultimately the the deck that showed up the hardest at late night. Would you agree to of you yes, for sure. It's the men consistently the most played deck at a lot of these online tournaments and it shows no sign of slowing down. I think I was kind of waffling back and forth all this week on is Pulk, you are good as Palk you bad. I had a pretty bad run with it at the full grip series and that kind of soured me on it. But maybe for for no good reason. The deck has a lot of tools. We've talked about them add nauseum here on the cast, but you're really looking at one of the decks that can, you know, ramp up to that two hundred and twenty number and higher very quickly. And then also it's probably the best deck to utilize rocks and which is one of the decks major strengths in my opinion. That late game rocks and into a two hundred and Eighty v Star just smacking you. Yeah,...

I mean how Kyas is clearly a strong deck. It was the the fan favorite, so to speak, coming out of a store radiance, and it's easy to see why. The damage ramps up unbelievably fast. You know, your opponent can really be controlling their bench to an absurd degree and you can still reach for certainly the Basic v knockouts, if not v Star knockouts or v Max if they're going pretty wide. And it's a that itself is a formidable force. You know, when we compare Palkia against the previous V star, mainstay in the format, and archaeus. Archaius trades off a little bit of kind of versatility. You know, you get to abuse that colorless energy requirement. Aren't archias and Pairt with anything. That's kind of been archieus is stick from the get go. Is You can be flexible in your partners. Palkyo trades a lot of that flexibility. You know, you're only really playing with the water type attackers in exchange for a lot of explosiveness, and that's really, really potent right now because there's not a lot of pokemon. They're taking those big knockouts on the V stars reliably. You know, arcus certainly isn't by itself. It's tacking another pokemon to do it for it. You is kind of the only other deck that's really reliably, you know, I guess besides the Alga, the only other deck that's reliably killing the stars, and you has been a tier one deck since its inception. Absolutely, absolutely so. I've PAL key. It's not a surprise to see it do well. You know, it's just got that explosive power and versatility and it's builds. So I certainly think if you're looking at these upcoming tournaments, it Palkio is by far the deck to be I think so. Yeah, we were talking about that earlier today, where it's like, you know, if we were to choose decks for Milwaukee, it feels like you have to either play Paul Kia or something that counters Paul Kia, like Paulky is kind of the centerpiece of this format, much like archeus was last format, much like mew has been in the past, where you're either playing the deck because it's just absurdly broken or you're playing something that has, you know, an even too favorable match up against it. So where I went from there? Kind of identifying that Paul Kia was okay, this is just a good deck that has probably the best matchup spread of any deck right now, as certainly like any known deck right now. You know, where do you go from there? I was originally thinking like an Archaeus Pikachu build. I thought, okay, that could be kind of cool, right, because you can you can hit for weakness on the Palkia and then the flying Pika. Che vmax is also very good, into something like Reggie Gigas or blissy decks, and so that's kind of where my mind went. I've been testing with a build a lot on the ladder with Bibarell and the Pika Chew and Archias and I haven't really enjoyed it. I've actually lost to a couple of pokya decks, which I am, you know, going to be humble enough to admit, but that doesn't feel very good. You're so yeah, thank you, thank you, I appreciate it, but yeah, that hasn't really put up the results that I was hoping. So maybe, you know, maybe there is some kind of archias build out there that utilizes a different lightning attacker, but that kind of doesn't factor into the equation the Reggie giggis deck, which I also so really like. I think you would want to have an attacker that, you know, snipe damage or something where it could at least put up a fight against Reggie giggis. Yeah, I don't know. I don't think Archie is necessarily needs to text super hard for Reggie. I think Reggie is honestly not that great into Archias. But you can well your your whole strategy that you've been kind of I don't know. The promoting, I guess, would be like a double charans care with the Dune spars. That you're not affected by the weakness and then you can heal a couple of times and ideally, just you know, they don't start out blazing hot and you can take your prizes like that, heal your archius a few times. Yeah, I mean I think that has to be the route, though, right. If you're not, no, certainly, I'm just saying that it's not. You know, it's not the standard. I wouldn't, I would say, to play two Charan's care. I don't think he needs to play to you can play one of the popad right. So I think you'll need to heal twice to trade them to offstrit the price trade. Gotcha, right, because they you've already denied that. Presumably you're taking the first knockout, HMM, and then you're denying two swings and then it's two hit chaos the rest of the game from there. MMMMMM. So, yeah, I guess you're right. Yeah, you could get that palpad chain. I haven't played that match up too much, but that's besides the point. Yeah, it's Palki is very formidable and it's hard to really deal with. You know, I've also gone that same route of the flying pikachu decks. I've tried pretty much everything you could...

...think of. I've tried flying Pikasho, Arki's Tellian. I've tried flying Kikuchi and maybe flying pink. She's just not that guy and maybe there's some other lightning guy who does a better but I try flying Pikachu be barrel and try flying he could chill with Viril and the jolteon to to really take it to the extreme. That one tended to win, I guess. Yeah, but then I felt like I was playing kind of a bad deck at that point. So yeah, yeah, it's tough. Is really tough. And so you know, at that point, what do you do to deal with Palkia reliably? And I have yet to really come up with an answer that's like favored, so to speak, against Palkia. Right, you know, plenty of decks they feel like can maybe tussle, but nothing that's really felt overwhelmingly good either. Right, like I would say that, you know, maybe maybe mew is a deck that doesn't have an overwhelmingly positive match up into Parka, maybe not even a favorable match up into Parka, but can hold its own. You know, you can do toally, certainly with that deck. You know, the early aggression. If you can kind of capitalize on a slower start by the Parky of player, then you can definitely get out of get out of that matchup unscathed. Yeah, absolutely, you know, I'm you is probably one of the best decks to just hold its own by doing its own strategy versus Palkia. You know, Mus probably biggest fear is going to be the rock sand plays towards the end of the game with the path of the peak. But that's also like kind of Combo. He's they might not have access to all the pieces and in that case, me, you might just win those games. Are there any kind of I don't know, caught in the crosshairs, kind of like text that you're not really looking to hit Paulkya with, but like also kind of affected, like I'm thinking of, I don't know, avery. I don't know if you fled against many decks with Paulka, against an avery focused actor, an you know, deck that plays like one or two avery. You know if that is like a an acceptable answer to an extent against the Palkia deck? I've played against a few avery decks. It hasn't really done much, but I guess the point that I'm trying to say is like, are there any things that you can do with your particular deck, whatever you're deciding to play, be it there a Ludon or Dialga or blissy or mew or whatever it is, that you can kind of try to tech into beat Paulkia? You know, I think avery is an above average strength card versus it, versus avery's personal average. I think avery is at a high point right now. I see every everywhere when I plan outline, like high counts of it too. I think that is kind of a caught the cross hairs moment for Palkia because they think the averys are really to deal with the Reggie's. Is My impression as to why they're playing them. But to answer your question, I don't think avery necessarily is as disruptive to Palkia. When I think of, you know, compare looking at the most comparable deck and SW coon, avery was more harmful to swee coon because you needed a lot of different pieces often to get those knockouts. So you know, a sweet and you're trying to get the rare candy into the Loodi Colo and then you also need to get multiple shady dealings off in a turn and potentially to, you know, loop together your attackers in addition to filling your bench. And where as Palkia, you know, as long as you got some dude on the bench, doesn't really matter, like you don't need to get those lady Colo plays most notably. So you can sack off your radiant Grinninja, you can snack off, sack off like one of your sovels, your Mani fee, like those guys can go over the course of the game and you still have more. You can still attack, usually for your Max damage. Sure so, I don't think Avery's necessarily like that guy versus Palkia, but I do think avery's a surprisingly powerful card, you know, relative to where it's been before. You know, and I think of avery in the past it's either been like an Erstafu card to really like put Arkyas into compromising positions, or it's been in anti Malamar Tech Card. And you know. Now I think avery has a lot of utility because you do something versus Palkia, you do fair amount versus Reggie, if you can change multiple of them. Sure so, it's it's not right card to cab, especially those again in those decks that want to like build up their hand. No reason not to. Right, for sure. So I don't. Do you have any dissenting thoughts there? HMM. Now I just like I'm trying to figure out, you know, because again, my mind's at I'm playing Paukia. Are implaying something that beats paukia. So I'm just trying to think about ways I can do that, you know. Yeah, and I don't know that there's really a good, obvious answer. I mean, lightning attackers are good things. That can one shot a fresh pulky of you, star, but that's very few and far between, unless you're playing something that's weak, you know, that has weakness to the to the POLKIA.

Like I'm trying to think of cards that do eighty. So I was thinking about Gangar Vmax, you know, mew, of course, can can get up to those numbers, but not consistently. That's kind of the WHO I v Star? Hissuei and Deciduo v Star with what a belt and belt in three energy, energy in hand after you know, double energy attachment. It seems bad. But yeah, anyway, this is the kind of stuff that's going through my brain right now. And I feel like if you're preparing for any regionals coming up, this should also be on your mind. Yeah, I would agree. You know, it's it's hostile out there. PALKIA is challenging for a lot of decks to deal with. You know, I think in a way the best thing that you can do versus Palkia is, if you're not playing it, just play a deck that, without too much modification, can just handle Palkia well enough, you know, without having to think about doing crazy stuff, you know, like tech in those lightning attackers or, you know, play multiple aviies. If you're deck by itself just has a strategy where it can either tank a hit from Palkia reliably or place just a super thin bench, I think those are the decks that will do the best against Calkias. Supposed to like trying to make offshoot versions of otherwise good decks. Yeah, it's just so funny, right, because you think about the the best, you know, low bench decks, like, I'm struggling the thing. I mean maybe an our sky stack that plays different. Yeah, yeah, dreld on, right exactly. That's you know, just thinking archis decks that that don't use the intelling online. Yeah, it's like archisy barrel decks and Dralda. Yep, I think those the only real ones. I will say one deck that is pretty good against Palkia. You know, it's not perfect, but the Reggie deck is fairly strong against Palkia. Reggie itself carries its own baggage with it. I'm a huge fan of Reggie still, but you know, if you can get through this first to set up turns, then you know Gregel like he does, work against Palky it's very strong. Yeah, certainly, certainly, they don't have a way like archias shut off the weakness. So yeah, if you can't get the Reggie, lucky with the choice belt. Reggie's are strong. Yeah, I do like the Reggie deck a lot. I've told my chat on Monday that I think in an unteched world with decks playing, you know, literally the same counts of everything as they are now, I think that Reggie is a major problem and a tier one deck. I've since walk that back just a tiny bit. I do feel like Reggie is insane, for sure, but not like crazier than any of the other tier one decks, you know, not crazier than Paul, yet not crazier than me. It's very strong. It certainly has those explosive turns that can just come out of nowhere, but it does also struggle with some minor disruption. You know, if an opponent can get a rock San off and they you know, I don't know, are able to or a Marni even at a certain point in the game and they're able to knock out the Reggie, Reggie Drago, or they're able to, you know, disrupt like echoing Horn, you know, for instance, right and get you on a wrong turn, it can be tough. They're just these little disruption things that, if things don't go exactly away, then you can kind of spiral a lot of control. So and over those high cadavery really do get brutal. You know, you deal with the first one, fine, you have three Reggie's removed from the get from play. That's okay. It dealt with this second one, maybe, and then the third every hits and you're like I'm out. Yeah, definitely, definitely. No. I mean you need to play. You need to play for the ordinary Rod. Yeah, that, I think, is an absolute must have. And then I would also say that you need to play three choice belt. Yeah, that right now to me feels good because obviously the Paukia matchup is going to be a big one, so you want to make sure that you have a little bit of extra insurance there in that matchup. So those would be kind of what I've been feeling in terms of the Reggie Build. Totally. Also, I don't know if it came through on my mic or not, but while you're talking, my cat tried to make a very ambitious jump and just like totally wived. I was wonder to go. That was there's very funny. She just ran off like embarrassed. So, buddy, yeah, I largely agree with you. You there's just a lot of little things I can get to you over the course of a game. I do think Reggie's very powerful. You know, it's probably the, my opinions, the Premier One prize deck. I think it has been more substantially powerful reliable strategy than Malamar did. Of course, Malamar did show up at the the late night getting...

...top for so it's not completely out of the woodwork and it's cool to see multiple one prize decks that are viable. Right. The Reggie super good. It just gets caught in the crossfire. I think we talked about getting crossing, the caught the crossfire for Pakia. Think it's actually Reggie that's getting got in the crossfire. Certainly, you know, others, just a random guards just like bother reggie. Yeah, definitely, that's absolutely true. Yeah, you think about Templeo Sino, think about, you know, the collapse abadium. Yeah, yeah, avery, I mean there's there's some things that are that are struggle. For sure. Absolutely so. I mean, do you have any other thoughts on the Reggie Deck? Certainly that's one that we've both really been enjoying lately. H Um, I've been trying with a lot of different builds. I would think that there are some things that are really coming to the forefront, though, is absolute must haves in the deck, and that would again be the for ordinary rod and the and the three choice belt. I think that, for me, are kind of I will not play a reggie deck if it doesn't have those things. Other counts, you know, I'm kind of fluid on so I think you could have less energy. I've actually cut the powerful energy because in the mew matchup, you know, ideally you can try to like snipe if they ever bring up a mellow Ata, then you knock it out with the Reggie lucky and then you snipe and then you get the knock out with your with your big dude doing thirty your Reggie Giggus. So I've kind of dropped a little bit on the energy and I've taken out the powerful energy entirely. Try to streamline that a little bit more. There might be something to be said for playing basic energy. I don't know what that is, but I've been thinking about just like okay, what do I what do I really want to attack with? And I just find myself with all these colorless energies and I'm like, well, I would really rather have, you know, maybe a fighting energy or something to try to swing into the archy. Is for weakness earlier or something, but that hasn't really materialized. I just think the deck is really solid. You definitely will need some practice with it because there are some plays that aren't super obvious and a little a lot of little minor things or the course of the game too. Yeah, absolutely, and then you can also tech the list out a little bit. So one of the text that I've been trying has been a scape rope in case the opponent plays a, I mean flying Pikachu, right, you can escape rope boss. Or if they play a a a Poleon, you know you can escape rope that out of the active so that's been one of the texts that I've been playing. I think you could increase I have three stadium so I think you could increase the stadium count for seems fine as well. But yeah, I'm just trying to find that like optimal build for the list and I don't think I'm there yet totally. So there's one big deck that we haven't really been talking about a lot over the course of this cast so far, and that is, of course, the movie Max deck. It's been a lot of time talking about it right after the full grip tournament. Use still one of the premier decks in this metagame. We referenced earlier as one of the decks that can most reliably hang with Palkia. I think there's a lot of question marks right now and people's heads about how you build new what it looks like, what the end game is from you, you know. For me personally, I've enjoyed just really streamlining the deck as much as possible. The inclusion of the trekking shoes is just been such a natural fit. So just really turboing the deck out, making it go, go, go go all the time, has been super good for me. GW, I know you're a huge fan of still the pokemon catchers as well, which is, you know, kind of been the premier me you build towards the end of the brilliant stars format and it hasn't been showing up as much in the online tournaments. But I think part of that is also people are really excited to play some of these other decks and try them right now, as opposed to just leaning into view for, you know, the Pizza Party five hundred, trying out some of these other decks before the big regionals that are coming up. Yeah, definitely. So I've oh, go ahead, no, please, sir. Right, SIS. Well, I I think that mew is in as good a position as it can be right because you have a lot of these players that are not playing the dark packages for the most part. I mean there's still, you know, some dark archias out there, you know from what we've seen online, right, that could obviously change in and in person tournament. You know, the medic can be vastly different in person than it is online. But just again, going from the online results, which is all we really have, you're not seeing a ton of these dark based decks, right. You're seeing a lot of PALKIA, you're seeing a lot of archias, but it maybe more straight...

...archias or Arcius with other texts to try to beat the Poky at X. Yeah, and so I think mew is in its best position to succeed and I think you know, realistically what might happen is what happened with mew at the start of last format, where it did really well in Australia and then everyone, you know, got really hip to it and started to counter it and play more counter decks to you and then it kind of you know, still was very good, but not maybe as dominant as that first tournament. So we might just see a repeat of that where okay, everyone just says, okay, I'm going to take the mew deck, seems like it's the best deck and, you know, the most straightforward, consistent deck and just go into a blind metagame with it and see how we do. I mean that's certainly a valid strategy. To be honest. I think me, you would be my number one pick going into this weekend. I highly doubt that will remain true going into Milwaukeey, but if I was playing in Melbourne this weekend, I think you would be the first DEC that comes to mind for me. HMM. So you know, in terms of build gwed have any massive insights? I mean for me is mostly just been like getting rid of the phones and playing shoes and, you know, walking your way through. You could play both. You know, good, there's no there's no law. I play one phone like one, because they think because I got space. All right. Well, everybody's got to have a phone these days. It's fun to phone and then shoot. So true, I'm a it a classic zoomerb and I got my drif shoes and I got my cell phone. Yep, for sure. Yeah, I would say that the that the catchers I really enjoy because I think they help you get that early aggression on the Palkia deck that you kind of need. Knocking out a one prizer in the polka matchup doesn't feel the greatest, certainly you'll take it, but getting the knockout on a Pulkia, forcing them to use their V star before they want to, is very, very good in my opinion. Right and it gets you that two prizes before you have to try to find your power tablets and your choice belts to knock out the other V stars. That just is you know, where I'm at with me is trying to get that early aggression also has, you know, side benefits of being good against the archeis decks, right, yeah, and being able to take out the archaius with the kind of a similar strategy there. So that is my insight. I would be playing you with with catchers, because catchers are fun and catches are good right now. Gotches are fun, I will say, especially when you want it to fliptails. That's really fun. In terms of in terms of other you know they're we've seen sideline make its way in the trekking shoes. Obviously a couple new additions. You could even think about featherball as a guard. Don't think about feather of ball. I mean, I'm not, but you you could. I'm great. I'm begging you, listeners, don't think I've a betther all riley's on his knees begging you not to think about that. Please don't think about it at all. In any case, there's a few different ways you can build me you. I'm looking forward over the next couple weeks to finding out, you know, optimal way, best way, because I don't think I have the best list right now. I'm trying to figure out treking shoes. Do I play treking shoes as a four of? Right now I have it as a three of, like I'm trying to split the difference between the trekking shoes in the road of phones, where I'm playing three treking shoes and two road and phone. I don't know if that's correct, but that's just what I have right now. And then I got my catchers and space fills up man and I and then I'm also trying to think about how much I value are how much I respect the delude on matchup to the point that I don't even think I would play basic energy in the list. For sure the basic energy are gone. I mean I don't think that that. I don't think everyone's on that same without the COT. Who Cares? I mean, you got der Lud on right. Der Ludon is is a scary fine knockout. Knock out a dreut on. I got the archis horror knockout. That easy it yes, it's that easy. Ten Times, simple, simple, so I think, especially if the catchers that you navigate, that actually for your lively. Yeah, it's probably fair and obviously you can go through the the ability with the if you get a couple of muv Max out maximum your cool. So true. Yeah, I agree. I think I'm us just kind of a really excellent spot. It's had kind of the opposite problem of getting caught in the cross airs where the Cross areas are. I don't know where to aim right now. And you love that. Yes, absolutely, absolutely. Certainly, things like, you know, Temple of sin. Oh, certainly, things like Avery Collapse stadium that we were talking about earlier in the cast can hurt, but it's certainly not as bad. Like...

...nine times out of ten you would rather have a temple and play or collapse that a path of the peak. So say, you're probably chilling, you know. Well, I think that's a pretty good, like high level overview. In the back half. You wanted to talk about some more specifics, particularly with Palkia, but I think we got to take a moment and do a card of the day. Yes, let's do it all right, hw so, today's card of the day is featuring two iconic pokemon that are actually a part of the astral radiance metagame. Do you have any idea what that card might be? It's it's two of them on the same card. HMM. Oh, yes, it's. Well, there's actually three of them. They're all on one card. It's not IDV. I right like that's yeah, I knew that's where you're gonna go and I'll thought about clarifying it before you guessed. Not a DV. Okay, you're close, though, and that's because my card of the day today is Palkia and Diaga legend. Go Awesome, another awesome legend card. You featured led legend cards as the car of the day before, and Palkia Diaga legend has some really fascinating attacks. Probably the best or most interesting one of those is it's DIALGA attack, because the aga gets the fun attacks, and that is time control. And time control as some of the craziest card text that I've ever seen. So time control, you discard all metal energy I attached to Palkia and Diallga legend, and you add the top two cards of your opponent's deck to their price cards. The craziest thing about that is, yeah, you can just keep doing it. It's just an attack. I could, there's no limitation. Yeah, you could stack your potas fries cards until they run out of cards and their death. I don't remember specifics about this, but I do remember that videos were made about this where, you know, or pictures were shared on the Internet where you had more prize cards than you had cards in your deck. Like that was a very real kind of wind condition to like mill the deck by putting them as prize cards. Yeah, I think that was especially an okay, what was it called? The legacy format? I think that there's like decks built at like Palky and Di Alga Mill. You mill them by getting feeling their prize cards. So funny. Is Such an interesting card. It does also have a Palkya side of that attack. Sellt in delete for water and Double Carlos Energy. You choose one of your opponent's Bensh Pokemon and return it and all cards attached to it to your opponent's hand, so you suddenly delete it from the board. No damaging attacks on this card, just exclusively Weirdo to disruption attacks. This card is really fascinating to me. I love the legend cards as well, because I thought that was a really cool take on the multi prize pokemon like have it literally be multiple cards. You know if it's worth your price cards. Of course it's two cards start with. It's really cool. I love Palkiawa legend. Time control is one of my favorite attacks in the Foka trading card game and just really awesome representation of the diamond and prol mascots. Yeah, what a fun card. So shout out to Pakia and a legend. That's triumphant one of them. And before we dive into our second halfw you think that? You think you know what time it is. Oh, do I know what time it is to its time is the GW. It's time to thank our sponsors. The TAG team Pokemon podcast is brought to you by manscaped. Manscape presents the PODCAST. We couldn't be happier to be affiliated with this great company. Guys, Father's Day is just around the corner and our friends at manscaped are here to ensure all the father figures out there are looking like Daddy. Material. MANSCAPES performance package for point, which includes their signature lawn mower fours, the perfect bundle to tackle any and all hair from head to toe. Treat your dad or yourself and join the four million men worldwide who trust manscaped. You can get your own stuff at manscapedcom. With Cod tag team you get twenty percent off plus free shipping. Raley, tell him what they could find over at manscapecom.

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...a fan of this card and I'm glad to see that other people are. At least there's some debate there. But I would never play that star me be in my deck, man, really, not even with blissy kind of around. I think that's probably the deck that you would want star me be for, like the only thing that would make me even consider it, and even then I feel like I don't care. Yeah, you know, like a Palky, you could slam it, slam into a blissy and your swift is not going to get there versus Mel tank. Sure you know you're really trying to attack with and Italians versus Mel tank. So sure. Not a huge fan of the starmy. Think that card really is that good? Okay, it's. It's mean. I'm for the most part, in Agreece with you, for for the reasons is for these act same reasons that you said earlier, right, and that's the Palkia asked the questions. Right, it doesn't. It doesn't need to respond to what the other decks are doing. It'll just ask the question and every time that you start a starmy or like are attacking with it early, you'll often be able to get the same result with a Alchia. There are specific situations, of course, where the starm he's good, and maybe those situation has become more frequent over the course of the next few weeks, but I think in this current cross section, I would rather be attacking with the Palky on those turns. HMM, yeah, very true. Let's talk about the core of the deck. Be There's been some where I wanted to go as well. There's been some debates on whether or not you should play a rita or whether or not you should play a more, you know, Marni and research focused build. So Riley, walk us through why you would consider either and which you're thinking about playing were you to take pokey out of your next tournament? Yeah, I think the ARITA build allows you to just kind of it plays to that classic n Telly on strategy of accumulating resources over the course of the game, right, you know, adding things to your hand iteratively were to also lets you get away with some pretty interesting early game plays, like Arita for a battle VIP paths on your first turn. Is is a play that we saw at the full grip tournament, for example, whereas you know, research is more I'm going to draw my cards, you know I'm going to dig through my deck and don't necessarily care about what's in my hand in that moment. I personally, like have never been a big fan of those arita peers, faulkner, I've never liked those cards. Even when Vaulkner was played all the time, and Pekerrom I was not a fan of it. I would typically try and find other other routes to build my peaker on decks, and I feel very similarly about Rita. I've tried it and I think there's merit to it, but I think there's a lot to be said for just kind of like playing a more search and destroying your pokemon themselves and drawing through your deck that way. Honestly, Arida feels the best to me on those like first like one or two turns, when all you're looking to do is populate your field and at and if you're able to do that anyway, then it who cares? It's kind of my thought. Sure, do you feel similarly or you know, what was your take be yeah, I mean I just am kind of confused when I see some of the builds with a Rita, because I feel like if you're going to play a Rita, you might as all lean heavily into it, and I agree with that, you know. So you know, if you're playing Rita and you're not playing battle VIP pass like that seems kind of confusing, because battle VIP seems like the best card to get with a Rida on your first turn of the game. If you happen to go second right and it's just like a huge explosion of Pokemon and play and you just basically get your whole set up out, you know, without really having to think twice about it and then I kind of think, okay, if you're playing Rita, then wouldn't and you're playing the battle bemp pass, presumably like when you want to be able to search that out when you need it, because like a Rita seems like it loses a little bit of value the longer the game goes on. That's not necessarily true. Obviously you're building a more polky of the stars and you know you can get like an intellian off of the ARITA whatever. But you know, Rita seems really good early, right, because you're getting out your Pokemon, you're getting out your energy, whatever you need early, and then you maybe want to transition into other supporters for, you know, later stage of the game rocks and being one, for instance. Right. So, you know, why wouldn't you play like a Luminion? You know, I just I don't know. It's just interesting. Like I see these decks and they're playing like one VIP pass and like to Arita and no luminion and the CA. Are you even hitting that? Man? Yeah, it doesn't seem consistent for sure. So now I agree. I definitely, I definitely have the school of thought that you should kind of commit to the bit if you're doing areta and you don't necessarily have to play Luminion, but play like higher accounts of this stuff. You know, play three Rida for example, instead of the two or the one, like do something...

...with it, you know, right, exactly so, and I totally agree. So, I mean, do you lean more into the research outes or do you prefer the areta strategies? Then I played with research at like to research to Melanie, to Marnie, I think was my supporter, count and one rocks, and at the full grip tournament and to be honest, I actually didn't love that version. And I've been playing a lot of Rita online because that seems to be maybe not the you know, super dominant, but I think a lot of players are kind of, you know, shifting towards arita builds. Yeah, I'm going. So I've been trying to figure out. Okay, what makes that good, because I didn't really like decks in the past. The had KARNIS. That Karna's another one of those cards I don't like. Yeah, you know, I just I never when that, when that was in format, I just never played dex with Karna's. I thought Karna's was like kind of horrific. You know, if if I ever saw somebody play Agrena's, I was like, Oh, yeah, I'm definitely winning this game, kind of thing. But things, things changed a little bit. Like I'm warming up to the warming up to the Arita in the deck and I think one of the plays that I really like in Rita Base dex is the ability to use cross switcher. I've really liked crosswicher a lot as being kind of your early aggression. Now it's the something I haven't really tried and it's not like I'm not saying like, Oh, this is the this is the cracked way to play it. I'm just saying this is one way that I've played it. It's been good for me. I don't know if it's like the best way to play the deck, but it's been fun, it's been good, it's been worth trying out. And Yeah, with the Arita you're more easily able to play just to cross switcher and get them when you need them and be able to kind of control what your opponent has on their bench a little bit easier, because you probably need to play, you know, the Arita to like get out your Pokemon, but you can also have that tide benefit of being able to pressure their attacker on the bench. Now it's that's really a good point. You know, transforms the Areta into something more than just a pokemon search, which it's really important, I think, when you play those kinds of cards, is to do a little bit more. You know, if you're all you're going to be doing is searching out a pokemon and the item. You need to find some way to get additional value out of that. Yeah, I'm for it to be special right, because you have those turns where if you get the areta early and you get your maybe a couple quick ball or level or whatever, you're all set up. You got a full bench, you don't really need to play anything, you know, and so maybe the aretas is really good into the Crosswich you're there. That's kind of what I found. It's really good for the early or kind of that mid game if you're looking for a little bit of pressure. So Nice. Any other big Palchia tips that you want to give our listeners here? Oh Man, I've been thinking a lot about big charm in my poky a deck. I don't think it works, unfortunately, because you just need that extra you need that extra attack power from the choice belt. But it is something that I've been considering. I definitely fallen down that Vole to me and I think he just got to get out of it. Yeah, definitely, definitely. And then I've also been thinking about playing more stadiums, like try to have an other more seriously, trying to get another path in, because right now I'm playing one path, one temple of sin. Oh, I could potentially see cutting the temple of Sino. It's very good into a deck like Reggie though, right, but I also I like having a path of bongs. You know, if you get pathed before you can be start, sure that's like a huge value loss for the deck. Yeah, definitely, absolutely. That's a good point. Right in the mirror you're going to want to a counter stadium. Yeah, and against certain archias decks I want to counterstate. Now it doesn't have to be the temple. You know, I've seen people play training court stuff like that. Training courts kind of cute. I would just worry about that for mirror, right, because it's just a free two cards off the GRNINJA. Sure, but but that's certainly an option. Collapse stadium just wouldn't work. Jubilife to do something? Probably not. Probably not. If you're playing in Telli on you're probably not playing in Jubal life, because what are you gonna do jas Il for Jup life and then shuffle your could it could happen, man. You could definitely be a really cool play. Anything for you, Raley, that you're thinking that you've been thinking about with the deck? No, I've definitely. I definitely liked the idea, at least it comes and goes in my mind, of a third stadium, although honestly I was thinking of to temple at the time and one path because I was seeing Reggie everywhere for that like for day stretch when Reggie was the only deck that anybody played. Yep, now that it's kind of settled down a little bit, maybe not the too temple, but I'd like the idea of having more stadium outs makes strategy against...

...me more liable, which is always good. Otherwise, know nothing crazy, I think. I think the best way to build these decks like Palkia is defined kind of the the perfect core and then fill those like last four slots with the best cards that you think fit the deck and I don't think the perfect core has been truly established for pal key yet, so I would focus more on that than kind of some of these corner cases. HMM, yeah, figure out certainly. You know Rita versus other supporters. You know it's a little bit different than archias right where there's so much flexibility and how the deck works. You know, Palkia probably just has an optimal core and I don't. I don't know if we know for sure what it is. HMM, that's fair. So well. That's I think that's an awesome suite of tag team tips. GW Do you have any other general parting wisdom for our listeners today? Respect Reggie, respect reginald. I am for it. Well, thank you all so much for listening to the two biggest Reggie stands on the market. If you enjoyed the cast, be sure to leave a rate and review on your favorite podcasting platforms. GETS US up in the algorithm, shows us what we need to work on and what we're doing well and generally we just appreciate the feedback. And if you're looking to get plugged in with the tag team, the good news is we do our social media. JW. Where can they find us. Yeah, they can find me at Real John Walter over on twitter and they can find you a sentence. Yeah, and they can find really over at at smiles and thrials and they can find the podcast over at tag team pokemon. Be Sure to follow us on twitters, where most active, dropping fire tweets all the time and of course we appreciate all of your listenership day in and out. We teased the idea of our merchandise coming. It is in the works right now. Are So, so excited about the reaction that it's going. It looks so cool. So we're super excited for where we're going here. If anybody's interested and wants to kind of get on the early after training there be sure to let us know. But that'll be all for today and we will catch you all next time. Base say.

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