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Season 4, Episode 42 · 3 months ago

4-42. The MilwauKEY to success

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are back and getting geared up for the Milwaukee Regional Championship. As Astral Radiance comes to the states and the 2019-2022 Season draws to a close, this is the last chance to drum up some CP. Make sure to tune in to figure out how to do it! 

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Yo, what is up, guys? Welcome back to tag team Pokemon, Trading Card Games Premiere podcasting duo. My name is Riley Hobart, joined as always by my good, good friend Mr JW creewall. GW. How's it going today? It's going pretty good, Riley. How are you? I'm doing well, man, I'm doing well. So, for the uninformed, I've had a really tumultuous last couple of days because I've been rocking my same like gaming laptop since like midway through college and obviously a couple years out from college now. So it's been a little while and it met it's to myse on Saturday. Yeah, yeah, so I had gone for a walk, it was super nice outside and I had made the grievous error of leaving a cup of water on my desk that was clearly like almost all the way full. You know, cats are curious creatures that they are. Abs I come home and you know, everything's Dandy, or cat's so happy to see me. I give a little pets and I come into my office and, Lo and behold, the full cup of water is now an empty cup of water and instead that it's all been deposited into my laptop. I actually didn't know that part of the story. I just knew that your computer had fried. So I thought I had died from natural cause. No, no, I mean it was almost there from natural causes, although the natural causes, admittedly, would be the wear and tear of that of those things happening repeatedly. But the difference is it was stewing right. So, like normally, if that happens, I hear the cup tip over, like crap, I gotta go check on my stuff and I walk over and I wipe it up real quick and everything's fine. Yeah, but who knows how long it could have been like the instant I close my door right that right, and so I try to make it work. It like the keys aren't all working consistently. They were working sometimes, but not consistently. It's like, okay, you know, I'm going to just get an external keyboard. It's going to be fine. So I do that the next day and I'm playing a video game, I'm in the middle of multiplayer game play on my external keyboard and then it crashes, like completely turns off and never turns out again, and that's the end of my laptop. So that day I sprung and got a desktop and now rocking my new computer. So and it was pretty nice. The specs are pretty good. Man. Yeah, it's pretty nice. And now I got the led's so I'll never make a new friend in real life again and it's cool. So true. So, I remember when I got my my build. I know you didn't put yours together, but that was a really fun part for me. Yeah. Well, I'd wanted to wait and get like something really nice and put it together, but a like graphics cards like impossible to get right now. So that's a factor, but it be I wanted to as soon as possible so I could have a computer in my hands right prior to, you know, the end of the week, at least, right exactly. There's a whole of the bacle. Yeah, and you didn't get much testing, unfortunately. Had to kind of be at the whim of other people, I know. Yeah, that's something that's kind of been weighing on me the last few days. I was talking to another friend who doesn't play Pokmon and I was like, yeah, just kind of upset that I haven't been able to play because I was really playing to grind out last weekend and you know, my computer is rifted away from me. Yeah, and I wanted to grind out this week and I've been waiting for everything to ship. Only just got it yesterday as of recording this. So kind of bummed out about all that. But you know, not to say that we haven't put our leg work in, like the team has been still grinding on discord. I've been been hopping on and contributing, but I really like to play the game. Yeah, I totally hear you. I totally hear you. Well, we should jump in then, Riley. Yeah, let's do it. So we have obviously some results in the first irl tournament back here in this format in Melbourne Australia. Coming back with a very surprising cut, would you say? It's surprising? Not In the way you might expect, like there's not any crazy breakthrough, there anything right? You know there is. There's no strange deck that made it into kind of quite the opposite. Actually. There is only one deck in the audiarity, the cut to variants, but one core archetype, and that is, of course, Palkya v Star. I mean, we knew this card was good, but I don't think we could have ever anticipated a clean sweep of a top a of an event. It's really unheard of. I mean, when you saw it, maybe you're not plugged in as a listener to twitter, but twitter kind...

...of went crazy on this where it's just like unbelievable to see that there was so much similarity in that top eight and it's something that, you know, many players don't think that they've ever seen in their time playing and it's certainly not something that I can remember. But yeah, pretty wild cut. So just to kind of give a little bit of a breakdown, top sixteen was a bit more varied, but in the top eight specifically it was for traditional Pulkya builds with Intellian and then for what has now been dubbed Turbo pulky of builds, which is just kind of I don't know how quite to describe it. If you don't already know what that kind of decklist looks like, it's like for mew a Tou Tou Palky a line just very much kind of you're hiding behind mews and diance's until you get your Paukya set up and then you go in and try to gust whatever your opponents trying to set up and you're just saying I'm bigger than you, I'm hitting harder than you and I'm going to be more consistent than you, and you just kind of go off from there. So it was a pretty crazy finish, you know, honestly, the to turbo to turbo decks met in the finals and, you know, ended up taking it home and really just kind of shifted the metagame in one weekend. Yeah, small point of clarification. I think it actually was three and five. Henry brand actually did play the until Ya, not the turbo version, I see, but exactly right. The you have that turbo of how Keya version and really it this engine. We saw it debut just a few weeks ago with the DIALGA deck. That was piloted a late night. The ended up winning and still has been making showings in the online seen and people have been trying to experiment with taking that engine into different archetypes, Palkia being an obvious fit with its to energy attack and just extreme damage output. And clearly the Australians, you know, put that to work, bringing it all the way to a mirror match in the finals. I mean what marking you ask for right at sixty card mirror in the finals yeah, absolutely pretty crazy stuff. So I mean now the question is floating in people's minds. What is going on with this format? Is Palkia truly that that dominant, that it's all you can consider is their other decks that are out there that can compete? And you know, moreover, you know what engine really represents? The best version of Palkia is at the intellion engine or this more turbo, you know, fast pay least variant that relies on abilities to get set up from the onset of the game. So I think there's kind of two baked in questions within their first is, what's going on, like why I was Pawkya eight of the top eight in Melbourne? HMM, yeah, it's a really good first question. I think one of the main things when I look back at the lists, and we kind of saw this with well, there's like two big reasons, but we kind of saw this with the brilliant stars tournament that happened in Australia as well, where mew just was the most consistent deck. It was the most kind of I wouldn't say obvious deck, but it's like, you know, it's the the newest, you know, the best thing for the time, you know, the be dif as kind of been dubbed by pretty much everyone and then just a very straightforward list was brought, very like consistent list was brought and did really well. So, you know, we look at Po ky up as being kind of the next successor. To me, you as just this big dude. It's for heavy damage. And so why did it do so well? Well, I think it was a lack of certain archetypes. We could talk about what those archetypes were in just a second. But it was also that, you know, the metagame is very centralized. The best players all test together and it was about a two hundred percent event. So not to in any way discount what happened, but when you have the best players all playing the same or similar decks, you know it's really not surprising that you would get these results. It's kind of like when you're at locals and all the best players are playing the same deck and all of a sudden you know they all win, you know, every week. Right. It's the same kind of thing. It's like when the best players are playing the same deck, like of course it's going to do well. Yeah, and that's something that is worth calling out is. You know, you think about a proportionally, Australia has a similar number of like really talented players to the rest of the world, which means, you know, they're rock and like just about that. About, you know, like eight to sixteen of the top level players across the entire well, not to discount anyone else from Australia, but like those are some of the folks that, you know, consistently are testing with each other and making a name for themselves. The thing is, though, because just by pure the numbers, that is a smaller number of top players than other regions who have a proportionally larger size. Those players all play with each other. They all end up preaching like the same conclusions and they play the same decks. You know, you compare that to the states, it's almost as if, you know, going back in the day, it would be like if a...

...zool and his friend group and rule and his friend group and Isaiah and his friend group and our group, they if we all testedy together and all played the same deck. kind of regional right like that would kind of be the same, the same situation there. You just don't see that in these other regions because there's wider arrays of people and they play separately from each other. Again, not to discount anyone's accomplishment, because it is truly amazing. You know, the fact they do so consistente at these Australian events speaks to their skill as players. But that's a possible reason to diagnose why it was so concentrated at the top tables. Sure, absolutely. And then the other thing I would say is that there was a lack of certain archetypes. So there was a lack of, I mean really anything lightning base. So immediately that, knowing that you know, going into a metagame that's kind of devoid of any of your flying pika choose, or really devoid of like your Reggi Lecky's, you know, is going to be a favorable thing, right when you're the best deck in the format. It'd be like if you had, you know it was, playing in a field with no dark pokemon. You know. Yeah, well, okay, you know you're you're facing things that aren't going to be able to UN shot you for the most part, and that's just generally going to make it easier for you to navigate in that field. So lack of lightning things, lack of mill tank. The list head, from my recalling, like no real way. The Turbo List had no real way of beating mill tank. Not that that's, you know, kind of the end. I'll be yell. Who knows? Maybe there was a lot of Mil tank and they all just kind of lost early. Who knows? But just kind of again, another thing there that what might have been a potential road block. And then, yeah, just just not not a ton of these like what I would say our negative matchups, for for Paul Kia, or at least s like, you know, mew edgies, you know that kind of thing. Yeah, I mean you look at the the top sixteen of this event, which also shows what else was congregating at those top tables. You see some mew decks up there. You see some more Palkya decks. You got a water box type of deck. You got a turbo Gangar, which is kind of cool. You got them, you engine in the Gangar deck and then in Italian. So nothing that really sticks out as being like, notably a anti Palkia type of deck, which, honestly, this is just a very similar event to the original at the starter, brilliant stars, when when you had been so dominant. You know, you had it wasn't quite to the same level. You had some Arcius decks that were sneaking up there, but you ended up did end up taking the event in a pretty dominant fashion with Natalie Miller, and the Meta kind of adapted. Right. We saw that immediate adaptation in Salt Lake City, where dark was the entirety of the day. To write. And I don't know, though, then we'll talk about this later in the cast, but it's kind of hard for me to imagine that happening in a similar way with Paul Kia, just because there aren't that many great lightning attackers and certainly not that many great lightning attackers that can kind of make their own deck right. I think about a lot of lightning attackers as being part of a deck. You have maybe you're you're flying Pika choos or your tape of Cocos with your Archius, and then you have your Reggie lucky in your reggie builds or or, you know, Ryku in your kind of tool box builds, or zero or in your tool box builds. So it's harder for me to imagine that kind of pendulum swing occur for you know, in response to the Palkia dominance in in Australia? Absolutely, and of course we'll talk about metagame predictions for Milwaukee and like how we think the the format role respond. But before we do any of that I have to know your take, JW. We've seen now the turbo list and that winning and getting the finals in Melbourne the Italian lets is kind of in the main stay from the get Goo with Palkia. What do you think is the superior way to play Palkey of e Star? Yeah, I think it's gonna be with the intellions. I feel like that deck is the way the the best deck in the format right now, to abuse what I believe is one of the better cards in the format, rocks, and and so I do think that you'll see kind of a shift away from the turbo variant toward a more I wouldn't say even conservative, but toward a more traditional intelli on build. For really that reason alone. I really like the rocks and when you make it to the late game it can be a very dominant card and helping a lot of comeback. So I think the Intelli on build is kind of what we've been seeing, you know, in the online tournaments. Well, big shift away from the Turbo Palka build for the most parts...

...in these online tournaments, favoring a little bit more of the intellian focus build. Yeah, absolutely, I'm inclined to think very similarly. I think the the Italian version just offers that layer of insurance and consistency that the Termo version doesn't always quite provide. Also less vulnerable, so to cars, like path to the peak. It just ends up kind of rounding its edges a little bit better, in my opinion. Not to say the Turbo version is bad. I almost think, though, that the turbo style of deck is suited better to different partner Pokemon. If I had to make a leap of judgment, like I actually think the DIALGA deck, for example, is a better recipient of that kind of engine because it only really needs those two attackers to deal with the whole game. Or like a gang guard deck is a good recipient of that kind of engine. Just get your gangar powered up and hit for hundred and eighty's without having a wide bench or anything like that. Sure. So I'm definitely more of a fan of the Italian version personally. It sounds like we agree on that here. Yeah, I mean there are some inherent weaknesses with that kind of build. You know, we're seeing a lot more a very index and so the Intelli on build is going to suffer a little bit more, right, because you're going to want to have your backup attacker, maybe a rating Greninchia, and then the rest you want to have your intelli online. So you're a little bit more susceptible to some weird discards with avery, you know, same thing, to a lesser extent, with the collapse stadium things like that. And then you're just naturally a little bit slower, right because you're, you know, trying to get out your basics on turn one instead of just plowing through your deck on turn one with all your items like trekking shoes and your crow bats and various things. So totally yeah, I mean I think that's all all awesome and fair points. Are there any other like major takeaways that you think our listeners should be keying into as we look ahead to Milwaukee? Well, I think if you just look at the top eight and you say, oh my gosh, Paulkia, we were kind of saying this heading into that weekend. Is Like we're either playing Paulky or we're countering Paulkia, but it's much in the same way that me kind of operates, where it's like I don't think that it's necessarily I don't think that it's necessarily something that you need to like overtech for in the sense that the metagame itself will shift enough that, like, I don't know that we'll see the same, you know, sort of dominance that we saw from this last week, and I think in Milwaukee will see a wider array of decks in the top eight. It won't just be a Pulkafesti Gosh, that would be cool, though that would be pretty crazy, honestly, if it did it twice, like backtoback, just eight Paul key has beau said, and people will start asking for a van. Yeah, so true, so true, which, to be fair, that would be like almost not acceptable. That, boy, it would probably be warranted. We just had never seen that. And then if it goes all late at Nice, then I actually think and then worlds too. Every day, every pretty sick org has like a deeper run than all a like all of top sixteen. Oh my gosh, the possibilities every decad day to who knows what do you take away, Riley, from Australia? What are kind of some things that have shaped your testing this week as you look back on Australia's results? I think, you know, Australia definitely proved that PAL KIO was was that back, you know, the deck we are again. We already kind of said that that was the philosophy we adopted, but Australia was definitely the proof of concept. They're Palkia conrete to the top very hard there. I think the other take away is just the real power of that mew engine, of that you know, more item heavy, basic pokemon ability engine. You know, it's something that it's honestly not dissimilar to, you know, for example, like the peak rom engine with Geraci and Dedanne that we would play. It's really not crazily different than that is. So, you know, I think it's a perhaps an under explored Combo. Heading into brilliant stars. Maybe there's opportunities to even do stuff like this prior to astral radiance, you know, in the brilliant stars formats and before, but now kind of overlooked. And I think that's the other takeaway that I had is, you know, exploring some more of those decks and those kinds of opportunities. Cool, awesome. Well, that's Australia in a nutshell. And really we can't stop there because we have a backto back special. We have Milwaukee this coming weekend and just the next...

...weekend we have the North American International Championship. So we got all sorts of crazy stuff going on in the POKEMON scene. Before we dive into the metagame for those two events, though, GW why don't you hit us with a card of the day? Yeah, absolutely. Car of the day for me is one that I remember as it was like a it's one of those decks that you know, was a meme at the time but ended up doing pretty well at a tournament and it was just a hilarious kind of silly deck that was coin flips and it just really didn't make a ton of sense, but ended up doing fairly well. I think a top thirty two at the US national tournaments that that year, as well as some other placements in various, you know, US and and international tournaments. But it is a card from the heart, goold soul silver block, the triumphant expansion. Let me see if I can read the polkad x entry. It can swim at speeds of seventy five miles per hour by jetting sea water through its body. It is the bandit of the sea, the bandit of the sea that has to be sharpedo. So right, yes, the Strip bear attack. Flip two coins. If both of them are heads, your opponent discards all cards from their hand. How Fun is that? So you have one darkness energy on that does twenty damage. So the damage is pretty negligent, negligible there, but you have this crazy side effect where if you flip two heads, you get to discard your opponent's entire hand. So it was played in this kind of weird block deck. You played it with victiny. You might play it with I don't know any other like blocking strategies. There's like we vile at the time, which would discard a card from your opponent's hands. So you can kind of like slow them down a little bit as you're trying to hit your two heads and then go into a secondary attacker that can do a bunch of damage. It was a wild deck and I just love this card. It's kind of a funny artwork. It's drawn in that hard, goold soul silver style of kind of that hand drawn maybe a little bit more traditional Japanese style, and I just love the card a lot. Yeah, that card is super funny. I feel like. I feel like I have this distinct memory of a top cut video, like a Puka video of him playing that deck on tcg Oh, and he'sn't know, we viled a pairs upon his hand down. So check that out if you're listening. Said want to watch some top cut content, because that's top tier for sure. I know I need to go back and and check it out. The catalog was amazing for sure. Honestly, when you set a coin flip deck that was kind of rogue and did well at a NAT's, I was thinking of the Blissy deck that did well at the last time. Yeah, the powerful slap about that school like tie together because of Lyssi's also a flayed card right now. Yes, absolutely, yeah, no, that's that would also have been really good choice. I wish I'd played blissity for tournaments in the last form of that was a super fun deck. But, speaking of stripping bear, which again is the attack name on Sharpedo. Speaking of stripping bear, we have our sponsors to introduce Riley wanted to take it from here. That's right. As you all know, if you play the POKEMON video game, sharpedo rocks the ability rough skin, and with our sponsor today, you'll be able to be smooth like no other. So don't be a sharpedo and check out manscaped. That's right, tag team is presented by manscaped and we're partnering to bring you some awesome stuff. They just released their ultra care package and their boxers to I got my boxers, to point know, in the mail just a few days ago and I've been rocking them daily because I love my man's skate boxers. Listener, as the cast, of course, know that the ultra care package also includes a Shaver, which I actually just use today to bring my facial hair down because it was getting a little unruly and a few one to two, two, three, two, a dozen too many gray hairs were showing in my beard, so that had to go for sure. But really, though, manscaped offers awesome products. I've never gotten a nick or a tear when using manscape stuff, which is just so good. So it manages to strip bear all those hairs, get rid of the rough skin and leap feeling nice and fresh. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, manscape products have been really good to you, Riley. They've been awesome to me as well. And, if you know, you still got a couple of days out there. Guys, if you're wanted to get your dad something special for father's Day, or any ladies that might be listening, if you want to get your special sweetheart a little something for father's Day, than that would be a fantastic...

...choice. Riley loves the boxers. I love that you're nose hair trimmer. There's a lot of things you can go on the website manscapecom. Use The code tag team. You get twenty percent off plus free shipping. That's a huge, huge incentive to go check it out. Just see what they got. You know, that would be my suggestion. Manscapecom. Use Code Tag team at checkout for twenty percent off plus free shipping. That's tag team at check out for twenty percent off plus free shipping. Thank you so much to manscaped for sponsoring the cast and with this show. It's time to talk about Milwaukee and I see the last two events of the premier season here leading up to the world championship. Your last chance to secure your world's invite if you don't have it already. All the cars are on the table and it's time to talk about what cards you should be putting on the table. It's so ominous. It's your last chance, if you had any chance. Well, you know before. Well, this is the last one. Don't let it go to ways. Is it wrong? Don't. Don't let it go to ways. Don't. Don't miss out on worlds by six points. I'm just say you're right. You're right. It is the last one and there is a lot of pressure and I will still have fun despite only being six points away from an invite and being stressed the whole time. But yeah, we got a lot of different things popping up here over the course of the last so, I don't know, three or four weeks since this new set's been live, and it's going to be. I think you're just with a little bit of a bigger tournament then the Melbourne regionals. In Milwaukee I think it's slated to have around five hundred, six hundred players and then an even bigger tournament at any I see somewhere in that thousand and player range. We're going to see a lot of innovation. We're going to see some new decks and, like we were kind of joking about before, it's probably not going to be all Paul Kia. Probably. We don't want to run off, though. That's right. Yeah, I mean we still might be playing polkas. So, I mean that's at least two tap eight slots. That would be Paulky. If so, absolutely so. Igw, you alluded to this earlier. You thought the meadow was going to shift in response to Melbourne. You know you're going to see less Palkia and some more variety. Do you have any insight into how that shift might look or occur like? What are people trying to do to respond to the PALKIA heavy Meta game in Melbourne? Yeah, so I think there was. It didn't seem from the results that there was a lot of Reggie. I still personally believe that Reggie is pretty good deck and I think I has a fairly good paulky matchup. Great polky matchup? No, but I would say favorable Paulkia matchup for for at least from my testing. You know, obviously things can get weird with rocks and things can get weird with, you know, temple of Sino. If you happen to be playing that in Palkia. But you know, if you're not playing those things, then I think it's quite strong. I think there will be you know, we talk about kind of the decks that I don't want to say like, you know, the the random per we talked about the random person, but this is like a person that maybe plays in one or two events a year. You know, this is like their only regionals. They haven't really put a ton of time into it, but they, you know, see a deck that's pretty straightforward and linear and they just kind of gravitate towards this. And I think one of those decks is blissy mill tank, and so I think that that will be another deck. Then if you're considering blissy MIL tank for this event, don't don't hear that and think that I'm like knocking on it, because I think the decks actually pretty sick and there's a lot of decks out there right now that just can't really deal with Mil tank or can't, you know, deal with it, deal with multiple miltank, and so I think, you know, it's a solid choice heading into the weekend and I think that there are, you know, certainly a lot of different things you can do with a list to kind of tweak it for for what you would expect. I would also expect to see just a lot of you as well. So me against Palkyo, we found in our testing to be about fifty fifty. It's one big dude swinging against another big dude and if the one gets going faster than the other, then they generally tend to win, and that's just kind of how it is. So those are kind of the three that I'm looking at as being, you know, challengers to to Paulkey has thrown, or at least giving poky a harder time in the field over in Milwaukee. Yeah, Reggie is definitely it's gone through ebbs and flows, it feels like, in terms of popularity. I do feel like quite a few players like it. You know, you and I both have played quite a bit of Reggie and find it to be a really on...

...and powerful deck, which is two great things to have going for you and combination with each other, for sure. You know, I think it does have kind of a stigma that still hangs over it of being an inconsistent pile, which, honestly, I think that's just the name of the game when you're playing single prize decks anymore. You know, Malamar was very much the same way and I don't see Reggie really breaking that mold in terms of consistency in a way that mal mar didn't. But that doesn't mean it's not powerful. What what Reggie brings that Malmar doesn't is like that very consistent weakness hitting potential against the top decks in the metagame, or at least the one shot potential, if not weakness. Yeah, for sure, right, you have the one shot potential against their LUT on the mew. You know, any of these other random V maxes that you might encounter, which was really not something that Malamar was able to say with consistency. Right, it was like you always needed that one reach turn. Yeah, with the Malamar deck, were like you had to just have everything. Kind of the sky opened up and mercher mercury was in retrograde and then all of a sudden you had the the amount of rapid strike cards in your hand to knock out one of those v Max has and it just felt like a really tall ask and if you didn't get it on that one specific turn then you just lost. Yeah, absolutely. So. Now what Malamar has potentially over a deck like Reggie is it can play those consistency support Pokemon, whereas Reggie really only can leverage the Reggie's. So you're only consistency card in terms of pokemon support is going to be that Reggie Drago, which is a fairly powerful consistency pokemon. Randomly has the the once per turn claws on it, which seems unnecessary, but but it's a good card nevertheless. Yeah, the frustrating thing on that is like it's it's the best kind of in a vacuum attacker. Yeah, you know, if you're not hitting for weakness, like, it does the most amount of damage, which is just kind of funny and kind of sad. Absolutely so, because you don't really want to be attacking with it. Like you want to keep it safe from harm. You don't want your opponent to be able to rock Stann you, for example, and knock out your your Reggie Drago. You want to keep it safe and tucked away, keep it hidden, for sure, what she can always do if you're using it as your attacker. So Reggie, though, I'm a huge fan of it still I think it's incredibly powerful. Deck in JW of course, does as well, I'm curious tow you know, arcis hasn't really been a mainstay of the conversation on the show for the last few weeks and it hasn't been a truly, like impressively showing contender in the online scene. Or did it show up and in great quantities in Melbourne? What do you think's the deal with Archias right now? I really don't know. ARCIS is one of these nebulous decks that, if you're going to play it, I don't necessar necessarily think it's like a bad choice. Like it's not you know it. It dethroned mew last format is being the best deck or or the best collection of decks, and so I don't. You know, it's hard for me to say, Oh, the deck is bad, but for some reason it just feels like it's lost a step this format, and I don't know if you can kind of agree with that if you have that same take. But every archy is variant that I've tried has just felt a little bit lackluster in comparison to Paul Kia. Palky to me just feels like the better archaius. I've said this for a while now, but it's now kind of playing out with more tournaments in this format and more opportunities for archies to do well. It just really hasn't done particularly well in comparison, again to Paulky of variants. So it's hard for me to put a finger on why it's not doing particularly well, because it's certainly the most versatile deck in the format in the sense that you can play it with any secondary attacker, and yet we just haven't seen the right build of it. So will that emerge? I think it's kind of doubtful. My testing with archias has been a little bit underwhelming. That doesn't mean it won't. You know it won't, it won't perform well, but it just means that I have not been bad impressed with the Bild, especially again in comparison to pulk. You. Yeah, I I largely agree, be I think, and I think really the answers to why archieus has faded down is also the best, I of the horror as Palkia, you know, whereas archias was maybe a little bit stronger into me than maybe Palkia is, because I had that dark ability, like that dark attacker option, that Palkia just can't support. You know, it doesn't have the capability to do that, but Palkia trades off just an insane amount of aggression. You know, in the archius mirrors, for example, it was truly devastating if your opponent...

...was able to pull off the combination of cards to knock out your benched archias with an energy on it going first. And Palkia, that combination is really incredibly easy to hit. If you have to Pokemon on your bench, they can knock you out with a choice belt. It's that overwhelming the damage output. If you have one pokemon on the bench, they can knock you out with a choice belt and like a Zigzagud if they play one. You know, it's crazy how quickly the damage can ramp up on a Palkia. So they prey on those basic archias more efficiently than any deck besides me. And what mew had going for it, or what Arcis had going for it against you is that you could eventually power up a dark attacker and swing for three prizes, whereas for Palkia you're always going to be in these really awkward compromising situations. So I think that's kind of what it boils down to. My guess is people will play Archaeus more in the states, is my guests then they did in Australia. I think that for sure. And but I do think if an art if an Archeus deck ends up winning an event, for example, it'll be a departure from how archeius has looked in the last format, would be my guess. Yeah, Turbo Archaius. Yeah, it would be like maybe Super Archius, or it would, you know, have a really interesting combination of cards or rely on like the be barrel engine over the Italian engine and have, you know, more unique attackers the maybe we've seen historically. It's it's not going to be, in my opinion, like the standard Archeius and Tellian or archeus be dril that we're going to see winning events or even placing super high events in these gigantic tournaments, in my opinion. Yeah, and that's it's good that you bring up archeus be Dril, because you have just the existence of a Palkia deck. And let's say Paukia wasn't you know, was just like a fifty match up into Archius. But the pure existence of the Palkia in the metagames as being such a major proponent you're just kind of wiping out one of the best archetypes from the last format and archeus be's. It's just interesting, like all the archists will have to shift over. I would say that archeus be's was one of the most effective archaius builds in that Archad, you know, in the Archaeus archetypes history, one of the most effective, powerful builds of that deck, and now it's just kind of not really relevant anymore because you figured that you'll face, you know, a quarter of your matchups into a deck that it will do nothing in. So you know, it's it will be, I think, like you said, very hard for Archias to adapt, but if it does adapt, it'll be pretty, you know, unique in that will probably have never seen that, you know, combination before. I also kind of assume that it's going to be challenging for Archias because they're either going to again like play a radically different build, like more of us, like a box sylvion type build, sort of like we were seeing towards the end of last form at where we're lying more on to prisers and filling up the bench and support Pokemon, or you're going to just have to really focus your battles right like. The problem is, and we talked about this before, is Palkia and me you just weren't such different game plans to deal with. You know, Palkia, you're either trying to restrict your bench down to nothing or you're trying to hit them for lightning weakness. And against me, you're either trying to like pass the peak marty them or you're trying to hit them with the dark attacker, or do you both? And those strategies don't really overlap super well, unless you're doing like a toolbox with has all sorts of types of attackers, but those have been kind of underwhelming to me. So I don't know, I'm really curious to see what people do. I'm just not really into archias right now. It just feels too complicated to put all the pieces together in a way that feels good. I do have a feeling that there will be some good players who will at least try to crack that code, but personally I'm kind of over it. Yeah, I hear you. What are some of the decks that you've been trying over the last, you know, couple weeks? I have been looking into I was really kind of hype on on a single prize in telling on build that I was convinced was really good in the mew. was really good into Paulka, was, you know, could handle anything in the format. But the problem, I feel like, is that there are just too many decks in the format for a counterbox to really be as effective as I would want it to be, because you really don't do a lot in the Reggie matchup, you really don't do a lot in the mill tank matchup. You know, you have a really hard time into something like archias or a Luton because you can't play a you know, fighting type,...

...you know. And it's like there's just all these things where it's like the format so wide. They can't just pigeonhole yourself in the saying, Oh yeah, I have a good mew matchup and I have a good pallgy match up, I should be good to go for this tournament or I should be good to go for this event that I'm playing in. It just doesn't quite work like that because there's such divert diversity in such variety and because Paul keys are super expensive, like that's another thing to factor in, like you're just going to be playing a bunch of stuff that's kind of random because people aren't either willing or able to shill out the money for Paul Keys. So that was one thing that I was trying. I've been playing some blissy recently that I've been really enjoying. Mill tank just shuts down a number of decks. Most, you know, importantly, I would say, is like the Turbo Dialga that has been seeing some play and then the turbo Pulky, if they don't happen to play like a I don't know, and a Poleon, I guess, would be the card for that deck. So just really an interest and then shuts down like Arcius biberrel decks as well. Right, just straight up say usually don't play a one prize attacker, so I've been trying that. I'm just curious, rally, are there any other decks that you've been trying or looking at, as you know, kind of being on the outside? I know we've talked about playing poky or playing something that counters polk so I'm just curious if you've had any other thoughts regarding auxiliary decks that you would consider for this event. Yeah, outside of Palkia, I have played a lot of mew in this format. I really do like me you quite a bit in this format. Feels really good, really smooth, and there's just a little bit less hate, which is all that me you needs to slide in and feel amazing again. That said, you know, discounting again. Also Reggie, who I play a lot of. Reggie, I'll know that is I've been trying or Shifu a randomly quite a bit. I've been trying to make that work. Honestly, very similar concept to your single prize and tell you on box, you know, being able to target it, hit for a weakness, to send piece together crazy combos within telling on all that kind of stuff and it's okay, like it's felt fine. I maybe I just haven't found the build it it again. It is felt a little bit better when that metagame is a little more focused. With archaeas, it felt like you had just it was easier to piece together your game plans and that kind of environment, and there's just like one too many things that I want to be able to fit to beat everything. Is kind of how I feel with the there she food deck. Now maybe someone is able to find that Combo or maybe find the omission that you just don't need for a particular Meta game. But that's been my my beef with her. She's I feel like I want like sixty three cards, not sixty and if I had sixty three the deck would be perfect, but it's I'm stuck at s so yeah, I feel that way for sure. So that's been that's been another challenge. I did also try a lot of the single prize and Talley on box, sort of, I don't want to say at your request, but like to try and like bolster your case. I also played a lot of that deck and kind of ran into the same problems where it wasn't good enough against the two decks that I was trying to beat with it and without that same like archeus mew metagame, it just lost a little bit of that of yeah, for sure. I mean the road is honestly kind of led me towards Palkia in the last few weeks. It feels like that's just an incredibly good, safe, consistent deck. I'm I'm well and open to being challenged on that, you know, in the days leading up to Milwaukee, but it just feels like kind of one of those events where it's just why would I not just play the best dep I hear you totally, totally, and you know we are kind of of the opinion that the Italian deck offers a little bit more variety in in the in the strategy. It's not as just kind of beatstick as the Turbo Pulka version is. So maybe a little bit more well rounded at the cost of being a little bit less consistent in the early game. But that's maybe a little bit where we favor going with the deck, just in terms of you have more options, you're more easily able to play around certain strategies that your opponent mine and act. So yeah, I guess you could say we're both pretty again solidly on that Intelli on build for now, sow, if you had to not play Palkya, you know you for some reason you're completely forbidden from playing Palkeia Milwaukee. What would your deck of choice be? I think mews really solid. I think the metagame has never been better. From you, not to just kind of rehash a little bit of what you're saying, but the Medicans never been better for me, just because I feel like a lot of the hate has shifted a little bit more towards Palka and less. You know, to me there's a lot less path being played for the most part. Obviously there are still decks that play a...

...high count of path, but even that's not necessarily like in the Reggie deck, it's not necessarily a given that they're going to be playing three or four path right like then I just play their their mountain. There they're lightning, stadium, Thunder. Wait, I always get to make a thunder mountain, storemy mountains. There we go. But yeah, less path just generally, I would say, in the Meta. And then less dark attackers as a whole. Like the the best, the best decks to utilize dark attackers for the most part in the last format or these all archaius decks, you know, Archius Hoopa, Archaius Moultras, that kind of thing, and we're not seeing that. Or even Ershafu, you know, furs food with the backup of the Galerian moletrace and just being able to slam that down at the second half of the game and take Oh hit, oh, I said it again. Oh my God, yeah, you did that the other week too. I'm like treading the line between oaks and then I'm like, Ik, I sound so stupid. I see how you got there. One hit knockouts in the second half of the game with that Glarian moultras. So you have these decks that really just aren't seeing a lot of play right now. They featured probably the they were some of the best ways to feature the dark type attackers, and they're, I don't want to say they're unviable for this format, but they definitely feel a step behind a lot of the other decks that are doing well right now. That's couple of reasons that I feel like me is just in its in sense, I guess the first Melbourne regionals, where mem you one. It feels like it's in its best position ever. Yeah, especially if people start gravitating more towards talky and talky. I hate it. It's another like opportunity for you to slide in. I totally agree. You would be my next choice. If I had to go one choice further down it would it be? Would Be Reggie. HMM HMM. Yeah, for me, I think right now, if I could get my hands on the the blissy deck, I think that would be a fun one. I bless, you might be my number bliss. You might be my next one after edgy, then what's your next one? Gosh, I don't know. I don't think I have one. I'll go I don't I think that is a good day. I'm not lye. I think it's good. There's just so many decks that are pretty reasonable to play right now. It's kind of cool. It's kind of frustrating. You know, there's a lot of variance of different decks and there's a lot of cores that are really good. You know, the turbo core can be played, we talked about with just a bunch of different things. You know, people are experimenting even with their Mu Decks, playing things like canceling Cologne, playing things like the ice Qu it's just a fun time in the format right now in terms of the variety of decks and text that you can see. Absolutely so, do you think I have one? I have one more question, Riley. What do you think about Archias Durro Ludon, because I think of all the archies builds right now, the one that I've been seeing the most has been archie as Durro Ludon or Duralodon whatever. Don't don't write that in a comment to me later on apple or stitcher or wherever, but Archias Duralidon has been the archius build that I feel like I've seen the most on the ladder and it's been that kind of, in my perspective, has been kind of the deck that goes along with Archias and I think we would be remiss if we didn't talk about it a little bit. So I'm just curious your thoughts on archist Lud on. Do you think it's going to be a deck that people, you know, will play in high numbers in Milwaukee? Do you think it's going to be a high performing deck? Where do you think it's? It's right now in the meadow. I think it's like an average deck, you know it. It doesn't really gain anything particularly phenomenal. Like maybe you could make arguments that if you if the PALKIA matchup goes the right way, that you can like prevent them from Ko you for multiple turns with hyper Poshin or something like that, but I think realistically it's it's just as fine as it's always been. You know, blocks out some decks, it does average against other decks and it, you know, it struggles against some other decks. I think maybe it's a little bit better than it was towards the end of the brilliant stars format. You know, it's stuff like Reggie on the rise, with the PALKYA decks being an okay match up and, you know, the new decks perhaps playing a little bit greedier, maybe not playing all the tools to do with the draught on his effectively. But Um, it wouldn't be a deck that I would look to play and I think it'll end up having relatively average placements. HMM. Yeah, I think one of the things that I've noticed with that deck is that you're still losing to me you. I've just every time I played the deck, every time I've played me you against the deck, I've always seen it shift towards me, in favor of you, and that's one of the decks that, you know, with a with with an ability...

...like there, Ludan's like, you don't want to be losing to me you. That's like a matchup that you feel like, Oh yes, I should go into this very favorable, I should do very well into this matchup, but it just hasn't been the case, and so I think that would be one of the things that kind of discounts it for me. I don't want to take just you know, I could take maybe a negative mew matchup, but I don't want to take a horrible mew matchup. I will say, though, that if the draulidon gets going, it can beat pretty much anything. I mean it does have a really decent paulkia matchup. I will say that just because it has a little bit of healing, it can keep a really low bench and it's hard for the Palky is to get through these big der Ludon so that's one thing that if you're thinking about playing this deck, you're going to have a strong day if you face a lot of hookey has. Yeah, which is funny because Pakul lay is only basic energy, but it's one of drautons, you know matchups, that is looking for ice. And I still think, though, like the deck has consistently the problem where, you know, are you really just relying on your support or to draw your cards every turn? You don't have any fancy tricks or abilities. After You v Star Power and so like you can still with those hyperpotions, you could with your second draught on to attack with. It just gets weird sometimes, sure does. So it just wouldn't be a deck that I would look to play, which I know it like. Yeah, I'm the one who played it at the full grip only stars thing, but I wouldn't like repeat that performance. I don't think. Sure any other major hits prior to Milwaukee here. Yeah, it's good question. I mean there's really not a ton that we haven't talked about. There's some. You know, Zork is a card that I think has been drastically underplayed. You know, you have things like mighty, you know, to pair with it. Now that could be kind of COOLNA. You've tried drastically under play it's played the amounts intensively underplay. There's shit. It's played about the amount that I should be played, but it's the ultimate underdock. You have things like the Malamart, Rapid Strike Malamar that I think you know has has potential, like it's not really necessarily leagues behind Reggie as being the best one. I was thinking about rapid strike the other day. Yeah, it's like why isn't it seeing player? That's so true. But yeah, I mean I think those are you know, you have things like dark ry and Hissui and Samurat that I don't know. I do get sauced up sometimes by dark rye players on the ladder. I don't know if this is the same with you, but there be kind of spicy. I don't be losing the dark rye shame, you might though. Well, that's fair. That's fair. Skill skilled, if it's the way skilled. Ooh, what about you, Riley? Anything that you're you know you're thinking about here coming into Milwaukee and now I'm trying to be a little more focused heading into Milwaukee. And then I see, because if I want to have a really focus game plan into Milwaukee and then if I'm wrong about it, then at least I get time to pivot before any I see the bigger of the two. It's kind of my thought right now. Gotcha. So, plus for our poor listeners, if we keep introducing decks, it will only end up confusing the Meta game. So we're old the story. Palki is a really good deck. If you're not considering it, make sure you have a game plan against it or a favorable match up in some sort of way. Yeah, Paukya, mew Reggie, five more decks. Let's see that for real. I'll give you and Reggie's kind of like our try fector right now, and make sure if you're coming Milwaukee that you say, hijw and I will both be there. We'd love to to catch some hayze and Hellos. It was awesome to see you all at some the previous regionals and we're so looking forward to seeing a Milwaukee and anicee. And with that, I think we're coming to a close here. If you enjoyed this episode or you have feedback, be sure to leave a rate and review on your favorite podcasting a platform that helps puss up in the algorithm and let's US know what we're doing well and what we should change for next time. And you can follow us on social media. GW. Where can they find us? They can find us at tag team Pokemon for the PODCAST. They can find us at Real John Walter, that's my personal twitter handle, and at smiles of trials for Riley. You can also find us live on twitch every Wednesday night over at twitchtv slash monitor. I also run my own twitch channel over twitch DOT TV, Flex Daddy right just where I play a bunch of fun decks and then put them up on youtube a little bit later under a channel by the same name. Awesome. Well, you appreciate all your listenership and we will catch you in Milwaukee Base Se.

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