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Season 4, Episode 45 · 2 months ago

4-45. The Lost Boys

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Yo, what is up, guys? Welcome back to tag team Pokemon, treating card games premier podcasting. Do Oh. My name is Riley Holbert, joined as always by my good, good friend Mr J W greewall. G W. How's it going today? Pretty good, Riley. Got Some good work done on my little project at work today. Got To hang out with my little baby. She fell asleep in my arms. That was very nice. They do do that and Um, overall, just a solid day. Had some good food. I saw Andrew Natalie today, which was a special surprise. They came to deliver, hand deliver me my suit for the wedding. Very nice. Yeah, so Andrew Mahone and Natalie Champagne getting hitched in a week and a half and it should be a good time. I'm looking forward to it. Yeah, it's gonna be really fun. I'm super excited for the wedding, amy as well. I know that you're coming in a little bit early to town and then I will. I will see you on Friday night. Sure will. Buddy Bucko. How are you doing? I'm doing well. I'm doing well. I after all the like moving around and stuff with Milwaukee and then Nat's it felt really good to have like a lower key weekend. Last weekend, Um, I watched a lot of OBI Wan, which was very good. Um, I like the star wars materials that just like lean into being star wars, so to speak. So they have like goofy looking characters and, you know, Silil robots and stuff like that. I don't like the Star Wars Properties that, you know, try to be like super crazy or groundbreaking or edgy. I like I was just like a silly little star wars thing. And not to say OBI WAN doesn't have like meaningful story beats, but it also has like silly little alien and some stuff. So I do love me a little. I mean that's one of the things that right. You know, they always are trying to put in like the little the little cute guys. Yeah, I'm not so much. I'm not so much into like the like the bobby ricks and stuff, but I do love just like some weird looking guy who like yells at the protagonist as they walk by. They're like stand or something. You know I'm talking. I love that. It's so awesome. So is that how you spent your your holiday, your Independence Day? Um, well, that's how I spent at least one day it was watching a lot of OBI Wan. I don't I struggle with like binge watching stuff, like I don't then watch. I can only do like a little bit of a time. Um, but it was super nice in Madison, so I spent one day just kind of like reading outside. I spent some of the time on the roof of my building and I spent some time by the lakes. Got a really nice like farmer's Tan going on and I spent the Sunday. I had a bunch of Spider webs that accumulated on my balcony because I live right by a river, Um, and so there's a lot of like gnats and stuff. So by extension, there's a lot of spiders and they accumulate very fast. So, UM, there's a ton of spider webs on it was it was kind of scary and I'm like super uncomfortable around spiders. I don't know why, they just really bothered me. Um, and so I was just like, you know, batting them down with my bat down the webs with my brew, and then I'd have to kind of like take a breather, mental health break, and then I have to go back out and do it again. Um, so very stressful. It's got some got some good work done, it sounds like. Well, the worst part is like yesterday I went outside and there's a bunch more like I don't know where they came from. Well, they probably came from the spiders. Yeah, presumably, but I thought I got rid of many of the spiders but there was a big one out there yesterday and that scared me. So how big? Quarter? Yeah, like the size of probably bigger than a quarter. It was freaky. There was I remember as a kid we had this one that was like the abdomen. The abdomen was probably a you know soil, like a like a silver dollar sized. So not not a quarter, but like like the abdomen. So that's not even counting the legs. And it's set up shop right on the swing set, like in the a frame of the swing set at the top. Like I put up this. It was like a really beautiful web and and like kind of a pretty looking spider, if like spiders weren't because I I'm not a huge spider guy. I can I can handle them, you know, as the man in my house, I can handle a spider. But yeah, I just remember that that was that's probably the biggest spider I've ever seen. Yeah, there's some that are like definitely got a sizeable abdomen, but usually they kind of have like sort stubb your legs if they have...

...a big so I don't know, I'm not a spider guy. I don't know. They're just freaked me out. So I gotta go clean them up again, I guess, until eventually they learn their lesson. That's right, stay away. But so it sounds like things are pretty good all around. Well, Hey, man, I mean we're going to see a lot of each other over the next couple of months. Oh, yeah, that's true. True, you know, with the wedding coming up and worlds and everything, and you know, we also want to give you all the best picture of what's to come. So, for the uninformed, we talked about this last week, but the Pokemon go set is actually here. It's on the market, it's dropped people and playing with the cards and we're excited to bring you the latest and greatest picture into the mind of the TAG team as we look ahead to worlds and that format with pokemon go added to it. So, Jay of you, what are some of your initial thoughts on Pokemon go. Pokemon go is a great little set and I'm really happy that they've formatted worlds this way where it doesn't feel like we're, you know, we're starting from square one, where they have, for worlds in the past, done a rotation just before the world tournament and then, Um, we're kind of left scrambling to figure out like, okay, what's good? It's just a brand new format. This feels very nice because pokemon go is a miniset, so it's not, you know, a full set and they really didn't add a ton of new archetypes, but there's a lot of these nice little support pokemon that you could easily see slotting in Um into numerous decks and numerous like support stadiums and trainers and things like that. So it feels like a really good set. I love that it doesn't change things up too much, but it adds a new little depth of a flavor to the Meta game it. It feels like a really Nice format for worlds in the sense that there are these pre established archetypes, but there's some things to be explored with this new set as well. Yeah, I'm not sure if I like not having a full set before worlds or not. But I do definitely like not having the rotation. The one year they did there, they maybe did it twice, but the years they did the rotation, I always felt like, you know, I qualified for worlds like playing in these set of sets and now like they're gone. You know that that feels lame. Like I like it when the world feels like the culmination of the year, and I think it was when they rotated right before worlds that did not feel so much like the culmination of the year, because half the cards we played that year were no longer playable. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that's a that's a big problem. I think that's the biggest criticism. You could also say that it rewards the best players, because they have the argument right, you know. Yeah, they have to not only play well during the tournament, but they also have to create the best deck for the tournament. So, Um, I like the set released before worlds, but no rotation, because that kind of like scratches both itches. It's in a way for me, like you have to come up with the new decks from the sets, or at least you know, figure out what's going on with the set. But you still get to like you know, use maybe familiar faces or, you know, at least consider them as you head into that world championship. Yeah, and you have engines, right that are already pre established. that. My other biggest criticism is like the immediate post rotation formats are usually, in my opinion, some of the worst ones, because they have such a limited card pool that there's often like either one very dominant archetype, for there's major engine pieces that are missing and like things just aren't aren't buffing out until like the November set that year. Yeah, well, or things look very sammy, you know the way. Yeah, every decks bilt the exact I've certainly seen that in the paste where it's like okay, you're playing for juniper and four and you know, and that's kind of just kind of your your go to. You know. There's not really a lot of variety there, like supporter wise or engine wise. So totally. But all that to say, you know, I'm excited about Pokemon go and I actually pokemon go has to be, and you know, fact check me if I'm wrong here, pokemon and go has to be one of the best kind of like promotional minisets that we've had in a very long time. It's got a lot of like high density of good cards are in that set. Yeah, or at the very least interesting cards. You know, you think about what could potentially slot into different decks and I mean I think there's like really use cases for a lot of these, Um, a lot of these cards in the set. I mean just going down even like the supporters and items. You know, everyone has maybe not a direct Um, you know, playability factor, but it's like it's like,...

...oh, that's interesting, like maybe I could consider thinking about that, but you certainly have some of these cards, like the radiant pokemon are really interesting and we'll talk a little bit more about those in a second. I think there's a couple of archetypes that are not incredible but like at least add a little bit of spice to the Meta game. I mean it's it's a solid set from the top down. So let's let's dive into it. And I think we'd be here amiss not to mention the talk of the town as the first topic here today, and that's the lunatone. Soult rock has been a deck that a lot of people have been paying attention to. Yeah, more than likely related to Andrew's original playing of the deck on stream and really hyping it up Um and I think a lot of people found an itch that they are looking to scratch in the Luton Sol rock decks. They're just to give some context. There the soult rock. For every so rock in play, you can attach a psycho energy from the discard pile to your lunatones in play. Um, so, kind of like a Malamar type effect, like a psychic recharge Malamar type effect, but it can also go to the active Um and because it's a basic you can quickly reset it with cards like scoop up net. You know, you can immediately put it into play with a quickball. So definitely like some birsty energy acceleration. And then that lunatone doing thirty damage plus thirty more for every psychic energy on the lunatone. So because I write four times, you're doing one fifty. You know, choice belt, one eight and if you use scoop up nets or accumulate energy or multiple turns or attached for turn, you can reach for some pretty high numbers. G W. I mean this deck has been all over twitter. People have very strong opinions about it. One way or the other. What are your thoughts on the sun and moon? Um, it seems so okay. Yeah, it doesn't seem like the worst archetype. Um, it seems like a weaker Malamar in my opinion, and I haven't played a ton with the deck. I've I've really just watched content, their content creators play the deck. Um, but it just seems like it does what Malamar is doing, maybe a little bit Um, a little bit worse, because it's just harder to reach for those higher numbers because you're presumably going to have your attackers knocked out every turn and there's only so many scoop up net, only so many abilities that you can use on the soul rock every single turn. So I think that it's kind of one of those decks that's really fun. It's it's fun, you know, it certainly feels good to play, it looks good to play, but when you kind of boil it all down, it's probably not even the best single prize archetype that we have. Um, possibly even looking at Reggie as well. So I'm not the hugest fan of it, but I understand why people really like it. I think it's solidly tier two, like not really, not dissing it at all, um, but I just don't think it's like something that I necessarily need to be taking for at world's or really considering highly. For like, what would you do? What would you do? Well, I don't know, like I'm just saying, like if you're playing an archaist deck, like would you play? You know, would I consider lunatone soul rock if I'm deciding whether or not to play like a straight archaist deck or to play it with Pikachu? Right, like, I'm not really factoring in the the lunatone soul rock deck into making that decision. Yeah, I I tend to agree. I don't think it will be a very popular deck. You know, we're playing something like another. Sorry just to go off and like or playing like em poleon right, like, I'm not or ice que. You know, I'm not really thinking about this deck when making those decisions. Could hear your first folks, just saying, just saying. Yeah, I'm inclined to agree, I think. I think it has a play style that a lot of people really enjoy, like that discard acceleration, but a really streamlined way, so to speak. So you know, previously you'd be working with like your guarantineum alum are and need to evolve all these malamars up and do all this stuff, whereas now you could just slam some lunatones and sold rocks into play, get some energy and swing for some two or three hit knockouts, and that's fun. Um. So I get it, like that's fun. I'm all for it, but I also inclined to agree that's not really the deck for me and I don't think a lot of people will put it highly when it comes to the world championship. Um. I think in terms of single price decks, the single price decks that are really thriving right now are the ones that can eventually threaten some sort of one shot. Right. My cats really yeah, I'm like listening to the cats back there, like if somebody trying to bust down the door or what's going on open my cabin. I don't know what she's doing. That's incredible there, UM, but but yeah, I I just I think the things of single price decks that are the best of the ones that can reach for those one shots, Um, or do something a little bit trickier,...

...like the Reggie deck has all sorts of tricks up its sleeve between the redg ice and the spread damage and the Um now mar deck. Obviously its whole goal is to one shot. So I just what is Lunaton is like real trick? There isn't one. Yeah, it's very much just straightforward. You know. Can you deal with hundred twenty damage to one eight damage a turn? Um, and if you can, then you're gonna be just fine. And if you can mix in some disruption or something like it's gonna be totally cool. Um, or you know, you just get run over because you know obviously that deck can start attacking from the first turn of the game if they go second. So Um, that can be hard to deal with, for sure. I think that's like the trick, quote unquote, but it's so rare to see that happen. So well, let's talk then about another pokemon go centered archetype, and that's the magic card deck. So magic car has the raging fin attack, does thirty damage for every single mash carp and Garatos in the discard pile, plus ten more. So you get to fifty if you have all four match carpet all four Garratas, and you can still use the attack using the Ditto from pokemon go, which can copy any non rule box pokemon that's in your discard pile, any no non rulebox basic pokemon. So ditto copies the match carp gets the two fifty choice belt to eighty. You're knocking out of the star Um. Now this is a cool archetype. I think it it really just struggles and like assembling Exodia and then also still having enough steam to actually win a game. It's kind of my thought on this deck, although it gets really scary if they get ramped up fast. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. I mean, there I feel like it's one of those things where it's it seems really cute, but it's kind of you're taking the long way around doing, you know, to fifty or two eighty. Like it seems like you could do that much easier, much more simply, more obviously with like a Paul Keya deck. You know where you're hitting those numbers than trying to make this kind of archetype. I mean, I'm just you know, I'm just saying though, right like it makes sense in like you get shut off by a few different counters. Um Temple of Sino is obviously pretty hard to deal with Um you're on these basics that have such low HP. So if your opponent can get like a quick rating Granninja, that could be really tough. I mean there's just a lot of things that kind of work against the match carp archetype that ultimately leave its competitive level, competitive ceiling, very low. Yeah, and I think, I think that's the problem for any deck that will repeatedly put Pokemon into play that can be knocked out, multiple pokemon into play that can be knocked out by reading Greninja. Is You always have to be afraid of that in the Pacham matchup, which can like make your early turns really awkward, as you like have to force me and if you down especially, you know, maybe on the first turn of the game, of your first round of the game, going second and you know, maybe you're just not getting your set up down. If you're doing that, it's just it's kind of a frustrating situation. Maybe be in for some of these decks. Yeah, it's fun. It's certainly fun. Am I worried about it? Absolutely not. But it's really cool, Um, really cool idea for a deck and we've seen this kind of archetype be played in in, you know, with Garrotos. So it's just kind of fun that they're recycling this idea in a new way. Yeah, it's definitely a cool twist on the full retaliation Garrot dos Um, so to speak, as well as the UM which, Garrett, what was the set of that Garrotos from? Is it like triumphant or something? Um, which. What did it do the old garrottos that did damage for all the match cards and discard pile? Oh, like stormfront or something. Yeah, I think it was. I think it was the one with the free the free energy costs. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was that was like stormfront or legends something. stormfront sounds sounds right. Fact check us. Okay. Well, no, I'M gonna I'M gonna look it up right now. Um. But but that Gartis is cool. There's consistently that theme of like Magic Carps and Garratos like doing damage for all the other magic carps and Garratos that are in harm's away. Said, I think that's a fun it's like a fun, you know, recurring trope in the POKEMON trading card game. I was so right. Storm Front. It is. Let's go very nice, very nice. Your legend, Bro Thank you and honestly those are like the really big goes centered archetypes, although you could maybe make an argument that mew two is optimal with lunetone and soul rock. Um, there's seems to be some debate whether Mewtwo v Star is best with Luonatone and Sol rock or whether it's better with shadow writer Cali Rex. I honestly don't have enough reps with metwo to say one way or the other, Um, but I do think you two is a really it's I underestimated you two, I think, in terms of how powerful it is, because I it really didn't factor how quickly...

...you can get out of the gates. I guess. Um, GW, do you have any experience with the Mutwo archetype? Yeah, the mew two is really cool. I mean it kind of is one of those decks again where it's it's there's a few different counters to it, but if you can get a quick star rate off under the optimal conditions, then it's pretty hard to you know, feel out of the game. For sure, like it's it's pretty hard to lose, like if your opponent has a couple of these down Um, that are going to be their main attackers and then you're able to star raid. Then you can just go through either attacking with the mew two or attacking with the lunotones. I like it with the lunotone soil rock. I think that keeps it really low to the ground and it gives you an alternate strategy that's already somewhat proven. Um, but I really like them. You two Um as kind of a little option there. I don't again, do I think it's gonna be viable for worlds. No, but it's like it's a fun, like casual kind of league deck that, Um, you know, you can hand to somebody and say, Hey, you know, this is gonna Compete and you know you'll see. You'll you'll see some results. You'll have a little bit of fun with it. I think the new two is pretty decent. I think the biggest problem I have with the mew two is you have to go fairly wide with your bench with you two, and this is kind of just a recurring problem with a lot of V decks, is if you go to wide, then Palkia comes to eat you alive, Um, and we know that Palkio is incredibly good. It's gotten out. It's really been a dominant force in the top eights of these major tournaments in the last format. It continues to have strong showings in the online space. So if you don't aren't able to really deal with Pak it reminds me a lot of mew in previous formats. Palki has kind of taken that that spot where if you can't deal with Palkia, then you just really can't consider that deck as a viable choice. Yeah, and I think too. You think about the other main archetype right now, Archias, being able to heal, being able to keep their bench relatively low, it just doesn't play into the strengths of mew two and I think that also is a really hindering factor for the deck going forward. Absolutely so. Of course, that's just the archetypes that are really centered in Pokemon go. There's lots of cards in pokemon go. We touched on some of these over the last few weeks that are really interesting and potentially kind of like a shake up into the Meta game or just a nice addition in terms of consistency or power into some other decks. You know, some obvious ones that come to mind are the radiant starter pokemon. We have radiant charis art and blastoys in Vus or really awesome cards, the shiny first end starters. I mean pokemon loves to milk those suckers, especially that poor little charis art. You see his fair share of drama out there. Um. But these cars are really good, honestly, like all and all the radiance continue to just be fairly good across the board, with maybe the exception of the steel likex that w just looked at. Um, I think chars art is the one that's probably making the biggest immediate impact on the Meta game. It's just such a strong card, doing that two and fifty damage and reducing its energy cost for every prize your opponent's taken. You can just swing for knockouts out of nowhere with that Sucker, especially if you throw on a Ryan or a magma basin and energy, between energy or double turbo. That's scary, man, it is really scary. I spent a whole stream dedicated to radiant chars ARD and trying to get it to work in an Intelligan base build, and it didn't quite happen because by the time I could get it up and running, I had sacrificed a few too many prizes to me. The radiant chars ARD works best as a late game finisher in an established archetype like Archias, for instance, where you're already playing, you know, kind of throwaway energies. You know you're if you're playing straight arcias. You're just playing the water energies because there's really no other reason to play anything else. Because, okay, you can get an attack off with Italian. But now we have radio chars are that could come in do two e d at the end of the game for relatively little investment, and that's kind of an interesting play for sure. It keeps you, you know, might be able to trade a little bit more favorably into one of your opponent's Pokemon if you're able to utilize it on a on a you know, a good turn right when your opponent has like two prizes remaining and you're able to send up a radiant chars aard like that could be really cool. Um, and it just is one of those cards that you're already playing the water energy. Might as well, you know, shuffle a couple in and and switch them out for for the fires and then just play the radio I mean it seems kind of cool right in that way, and you already have just this established archetype to go off of. So I've been trying to rack my brain because in my mind I'm just really fixated on this Char's art and how simple it is and how simple it is to just get that to fifty two e d off. It seems so good, but I haven't quite found the like...

...perfect way to utilize it as in this moment. So, yeah, I'm trying to find with you. I'm also in favor of slotting the Char's art in is kind of a quick one prize endgame finisher. You know, you think of how powerful, for example, of cards like the Maltus was. Um that had a lot more maintenance associated with it. You know, you have to get three energy onto it and yeah, it accelerated to itself if you have the energy in hand, but you also had to have those energies in hand, which often warranted a Clara or multiple turns of Italian building up. And the chars are it is just yeah, I have an energy and a pokemon and I'm swinging and that's just that's crazy. You know, you also can do cool plays like Ryhan double turbo and just swing for two thirty. You know, that's impressive amount of damage. Moltris didn't do that until you're at two prizes left. So if Charles R could do it even sooner, that's cool. Yeah, and of course you can recycle the chars hard right, like you're thinking about, okay, how can I do to fifty on my opponents, you know, four price turn, and then I can also do it on their five price turn, like that's really cool as well. So they're just trying to figure out how best to incorporate that card and be able to utilize the multiple times totally. I I'm inclined to say like Arcius is the card that can easily, most easily just kind of throw it into its game plan without even really thinking about it too much. You know, you can literally just throw a fire energy or two and chars are and that's like a very archeous thing to do in the first place. Um, but certainly I think there are perhaps other opportunities to use it. It's just a it's a really strong card. I really like it and it fits well with Chars Art's theme of like I'm just gonna do it crap ton of damage really quickly. Are there any other radiot Pokemon they like here? From the sets of blast voice and Minosaur. Blast Voice, with the pump shot ability discard a water energy card. You can do twenty damage to one of your opponents benched pokemon. I think that's an ability that's been a little bit under explored right now. Um. And then sunny bloom on the Venosaur lets. You draw cards until you have four in your hand, once per turn. Yeah, the Venus Sour has kind of underwhelmed me. I'm not super into it, but I'm sure there are decks that can use it effectively. Um, the blast ye has been the one I've been trying the most personally. Um, mainly in like decks that could utilize yoga loop strategies, so things like rapper striker Chifu or rapper strike and Italian. I've been trying to make those work in conjunction with the blast toys and I've been I've been happy with it. Um, I haven't tried, you know, Jake, your Heart's latest twitter brew in terms of like making Erschi Fu work, but I have enjoyed the blast toys. Um, I think the I think the thing I've had trouble with with the blast toys is like really consistently, you know, getting a ton of value out of it. Like I might pump shot a couple of times in the game, but am I getting like my radio and slot worth of value out of it? It's kind of the hurdle I'm overcoming. I think the answer is you can, but you have to like lean into that maybe as your primary game plan, right and it just seems tough when you have this radium blast joys and you're just carding water energy, because there's just arguably a much better discarding energy Pokemon, and that is, of course, the Granninja, and you know, just getting those extra two card draw is so important for a lot of Um the very first time I used the blast toys on t c g Oh, I was very sad because when I discarded the water energy, I don't know why, but I had it like deep in my brain that blast toys had like the same ability basically as intellier, like as Um like graphic strike in telly on v Mas, like where it would do to Pokemon. And I'm like this car, is it broken? Like other people need to be played. This card and then I discard the energy. I'm ready to do some damage and it's like I only click one and I feel ripped off and I read the card really sad. So that's my last days story. But I still think last ways has potential. Um, I think rapid strike engines are the ones that are going to like it the most. So they'll also be using like quick shooting and they could potentially use the Intelian as well. They could discard energy and do more damage. Um, that's kind of how I see it fitting into the grand scheme of things. I haven't really solved the decks to a point where I'm satisfied with it yet, but I like last days. I think it's cool. Yeah, it's cool. Definitely. The radiot Pokemon or some things we're gonna invest some time into heading into worlds, just getting our minds wrapped around best use cases for them and where they could slot into current archetypes. There's a few other V stars from the new pokemon go set that I do. Just want to mention the Dragon I v Star. They did my way absolutely...

...dirty and not in a good way. It has an attack Giga impact to fifty four energy. During your next turn. The spokema can attack. Okay, fine, you can get up to two eight, that's fine, but four energy is a little steep. And then it has a v Star power, which should be an ability, but it's an attack. Look at the top twelve cards. Attach any water or lightning energy cards you find there to your pokemon. So that that's just like it hurts so much like I think I made if they made it in an ability, like let's say they made it an ability and it only looked at the top ten. I don't know. I think maybe dragon eye has a shot, but the fact that it's an attack, it's going to take an extra turn. I just can't see it working. And then is the worst than evolving skies, Dragon I v. that's that's probably a hundred percent like. It's more investment for exactly the same pay out. So arguably right. Right. So then we also have the male Metal v Max, Max Juggernaut, doing one sixty based damage can reach up to two and eighty. It's very kind of obvious the magic number that the POKEMON company has in mind when they're creating these cards. Number on the number. Yeah, I do. Good, good times, good times. We also have a couple of items that are a little bit a little bit interesting. Egg Incubator. Flip coin of heads, search your deck for a basic POKEMON, put it onto your bench and if tails, you actually get to keep that incubator. So how about that? Then another you get to keep. You have the pleasure of keeping the incubator. And then the other one, which is probably more interesting, is the lure module. Each player looks at the top three cards of their deck and puts all pokemon they find their into their hand. Um, I think what's most interesting about the lure module is that it's a four action for for both players. I guess right. Well, I'm technically not for you know, there would be no way to know for the opponent, but it's something that that both players get to do. Kind of REMINISCE. It like reminds me a little bit of Buddy Buddy rescue. But yeah, everybody loves a good buddy buddy rescue. Lear module is cool. If you you could, like, if you have cards like pokey puff in the format, so an expanded or NTLC for example, you can, you know, make them draw some pokemon and then put them in play. So you can, yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah, the fact that they reveal. Obviously you'RE gonna have to pick those out there, forced them into hand. It could be something for stall decks, you know. You think about Luver module being something for stall dex is like I'm gonna, you know, make you draw and make you draw those pokemon that you shoveled back in or make you draw into those pokemon that you just have in your deck. Yeah, absolutely. And then, off worst, we have awesome cards like pokey stop, Stadium Card. Discard the top three cards of your deck and put any item cards you find there into your hand. Very Turbo oriented card, you know, slots very well into kind of these celebrations view type of decks that are very item heavy and trying to pivot between them. I think the most obvious contender for that is going to be the DIALGA v Star. That's going to have an incredibly heavy item count and a lot of items that it wants to see as well, like the metal saucers, for example, are really the key to making that deck work. So being able to plow through your deck with the pokey stop allows you to not only get energy into this car pile, but also the saucers in your hand. I think the biggest thing that you need to be careful of when you're playing the pokey stop is just that you're not discarding your dial gravy stars. That deck, Um, you know, in its current iteration, just doesn't have a way to get those back. So pocus stop, arguably it might not be the best stadium there, although I do obviously understand that it would work great. There's just that caveat that you would need to play maybe an ordinary rot or, an elevated count of The v Star, just to guarantee that you're not discarding them after you use the stadium. Please don't play poke stop in you either. Like that just sounds horrible. Yeah, I think discarding the energy is you're just discarding energy. Like yeah, just card two, adorgy, you just lose. Let's see some other cards that are interesting. We have the DITTO, of course, with a sudden transformation. We have the block snore lax with the ability. As long as this pokemon is in the active spot, your opponents active can't retreat. Like. That's very cool, very interesting. Um, there's the blast voice with the vitality spring. I actually just did a video on this one. It's cool. There's a lot of neat things you can do, especially when you think about like the radiant or the the not the Radiot Pokemon. What are the the...

...the vivid voltage, dudes? Amazing Rays? Yes, of course that. Take all the different voltage that. When I think of vivid voltage, I only think of the right. When I think of amazing rays, I only think of vivid voltage. They are like two sets. They're in like the shining set and then the voltage right. Yeah, yeah, anyway, blast voice is cool. Searching deck for up to six energy cards on an ability turns off, you know, the endine turn, but that's certainly very interesting. I think the blast voice, like blasts, is one of those things where it's like if somebody were to create with blast choice at worlds like, I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah, man, throw up a die en C, have the ARETA engine, get the blast voice into play and accelerate to the basic and evolve it the next turn. Yes, and I think if the cross switchers weren't so prevalent in the Meta game, that would be are very real, like an extremely real strategy. But the fact that the polky is can go just hunting for whatever you attach the energy to it makes me a little bit skept everything. I know we keep saying that, but it's so true. Let's see anything I missed? Oh, there's the slow bro that I really like. Slow grows cool. When you get down to one prize, you can attack with it and take two prizes. Extra cool if you find a way to sneak a turn, like you get something on the active they can't move for a turn. You just get to spare the slow yeah, really a high comeback mechanic potential. I like the slow Bro. He stopped. Yeah, a lot of just a lot of really cool cards in pokemon go. Honestly, I do genuinely think it's one of the best like promotional sets that we've had in a really long time. I would a percent agree with that. And it's fun. You know, you got the pokemon ghost damp, you got all the fun Pokemon go beaming, you got the starters. I mean it's a heavy emphasis on Gen one, which we all know is the best generation. So it's cool. Definitely dating yourself when you stage that the gener one is the best. Um, fellow boomers, Pokemon boomers or eyes up. It's true, though, Jen one is pretty freaking fire. I think I still I think Gen one has the best starters, probably. You know, I'm not. I'm not a gen wonder for life, but I do think jen one is probably the best starters because I like how simple they are and it also has dragon night, like. I mean, come on, yeah, that's that's fine, but we've been talking a lot about these new cards. Let's talk about an old card, Riley, why don't you give us the card of the day? The card of the day doesn't necessarily have to be an old card, but it is today, so I know it. Let me let me actually pull up at deck centric, because I like dude centries and I forgot to pull it up. I'm gonna do a deck entry from the original generation that this pokemon came out. Let me see if I can find it. Okay, okay, I'm intrigued. It seems like a long name. Um, I think things just seem like I'm typing for longer now that I have like this louder keyboard. Okay, when hunting, it skims the surface of water at high speed to pick off unwary prey such as magic cart high speed. MHM. And this was a bird, a bird type well known pokemon type bird. Okay, wait, can I okay, it eats magic carp. Okay, that narrows it down for you. Yeah, now I'm scanning my the Rolodex of my brain for all the POKEMON that I know of that eat magic carp. It is peloper. No, I don't think delifer eats magic card bro it's got a magic RP like sized gullet. Talking about it definitely could definitely comfortably fit inside. I agree with that. Now the card of the day for it today is pigiat e x. So there's a Pigiat v that just got revealed that my friend back in and I where shooting the messages back and forth about, because I think it's an interesting card. Uh, and so I wanted to give a shot to piat through their e x, which is also like a very niche, oh, okay, e x pokemon. So pigiot had...

...two attacks. It had. It also had a mega. The mega with this underwhelming. It has mirror move and if this pokemon was damaged by an opponent's attack during the last turn, you can do the same amount of damage to your opponents active. So if someone is swinging, the idea was a mirror moves for one energy, one colorless. So the idea was if your opponent is hitting you for not enough to knock you out, you can max potion the PGAT and mirror move to now threaten them with the same damage they just put onto you while you get fully healed. And for three energy you have feather lance for eighty damage and it does twenty damage to one of your opponent's mashed pokemon. So basically, if they're not hitting you when you're ready to mirror move, you can start feather lancing instead to like pressure them Um or eventually just take knockouts because you had av and at the time that was enough to survive a hit. It's crazy to think about now. So piggi was cool. It was never like a tier one deck or anything, but it was a cool deck. I think it did well at maybe the Orlando regionals that year. It got a top sixteen or something like that. It's fun, you know, and it's got a really cool artwork. You know, pigs just a fun like Classic Bird Pokemon. You know what you think of the bird types. Pigi I is is up there, you know. I mean it do be looking very much like a bird amongst birds, definitely piggia is one of them. The most bird like, for sure, definitely. I think Piggi is maybe the most bird like. It's Pigi like hair, you know. Okay, there's an argument I've been seeing about the order of the naming convention. Shouldn't it be Piggio? I think that's how it is in Japanese, actually really. So why did they get switched? I don't know, man, I don't know all the answers. It's kind of messed up, though, if you think about it. I don't know that. So the Japanese actually different. It's Popo than pigeon, than Pigia. So it does, you know, the name does get bigger, I guess as it evolved. Dang, that's cool. I wish it was Popo Bro. That's way cooler. Yeah, I like Popo Um and in French it's Piggy, is real cool, and Piggioto is real coup and PIA is row carnage. That's sick. Let there. There will be bro Carnage. Yes, I think something with the English like localization just did not track, because it seems like I'm looking at just on Sarah v all the other localizations and it seems like all the rest of them emphasize that pig yacht is like the most important of them. Row carnage cars really cool. Dad, if you're French and you're listening to this and you're going to worlds and you have a spare pigiat card, I would love to have it. Gotta get row carnage in my collection for real. So yeah, PIGGIA, row carnage, super cool. English localization of Piggia baby incorrect, but we love them all the same. Most bird like of all the POKEMON. And with that, I think it's time for my cat to meal directly at me and for us to thank our sponsor. J W, why don't you tell us a little bit about our sponsor for this episode? Yeah, thank you so much to manscaped for presenting the premier podcasting duo. That's right, we are sponsored by everyone's favorite down there air men's grooming kit, man escaped. manscaped offers a variety of products for men and women take care of any stray hairs that you have down there. So we love a lot of their products. We love there underwear. Rally's a huge fan. I love their ear nose hair trimmer, they have a beer trimmer, they have Um, you know, products that that go on your stuff. They have products that shave your stuff, they have products that, you know, make your stuff smell good, they have products that cover up yourself. I mean it's really any kind of grooming product that you can think of. MANSCAPED HAS IT and we've tried them all, or close to all of them. Love everything on the site. seriously. Yeah, after I was done clean out the spider webs, I had some other cleaning up to do and no nicks, no scratches. Felt amazing. Looks Amazing, if I do say so myself, and I'll be the judge of that good and get there without the album VNDSCAPE. For Real, these...

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...quite a bit before. Well, I think first of all it's a fun word. Second of all, that brings a little bit more legitimacy two our hobby. When we say scry, I think it sounds really cool. If anything doesn't, doesn't make Pokemon de legitimate, de legitimate because it means we piggybacking off of Magic's term. Well then we should stop saying mill. When have I said mill on the cast? We should never say mill. I mean I think that's I think people think of mill as yeah, I mean mails obviously, like. Well, we can't, we can't say mill anymore because that's a magic term. I digress. Anyway. So confi has a skry ability that's really cool. That can help you get the last zone kind of activated there so you can use the it's kind of an enabler, if you will, to get up your other things up and running. So initial thoughts on this archetype rally? Do you think it's is something to be feared? Do you think it's something that can reasonably work faster than again, we're kind of coming back to Paul key like as the benchmark for what a powerful, Consistent v Star looks like. Do you think it's at all comparable to Paul key? Do you think it's better? Do you think you can get going easier, like? What are your initial thoughts. It's going to be entirely dependent on how consistently and quickly you can get those lost zones up. Um, because really, I mean, you're not going to realistically be doing what you need to with Guarotina until you get to that seven loss zone threshold where you can use the mirage gate. So and right now I'm honestly not super impressed with the cards that are available to fill the lost zone. Um. You know, realistically you'll have to just comfy a bunch of times and then maybe stages or chorus his experiment. Sorry, once and that's probably how you'll fill it up. Um. But it does seem like it would take multiple turn it will definitely take multiple turns, which, to be fair, you have to take multiple to evolve into a movie star in the first place. So is at the end of the world? No, but it's like, can you do that turn two? Probably not. Most Games probably like looking at a turn three or four and yeah, you're gonna be swinging for one shots on the Palkis and the archaeas. But what happens if you us to one prize deck? Yeah, it seems like this will really struggle against single prize decks, unless there's like some other alternative attacker that you're playing that you can accelerate too with the Mirage Gate Um, which you could do. You know, marrage gets a very flexible card. But yeah, you do have that crammarant. So Cramer has the ability if you have four or more cards in the laws and ignore all energy in this pokemon's attack costs. So that could be a way. It does ten damage. So you're just going in maybe with an early crammarrant, try to put some pressure on the opponent's board and get around the mill tanks and maybe get around a you know, an Italian or too, if you have to. Yeah, I just I think if the deck can accomplish what it needs to quickly, it'll do well against multi prize stacks, but I am skeptical that it is capable of doing that. It's kind of where I'm at right now. I think that's I think I think you're you're in this like weird catch twenty two where in order to use comfe enough to like get cards in the law zone, you have to be playing like research and stuff to like a actually draw cards. But if you're playing research, you're not playing coal rest, which is your other way to get cards in the law zone. So just it gets weird. Riley, what you're not taking into account is that you get to scry. I know you really are into that, so maybe that's the key, just a good scry. Yeah, man, I'm I'm with you. I mean there's other cards as well. They put cards and lots of it, I think. I think really chlorus and and comfy skry are going to be the two that are the primaries. Certainly, certainly, okay, I don't want to talk too much about scry. Let's move on to the the other main archetype from this set. That's, of course, the Suian Zor K v Star. This one we were talking about before the cast that it seems kind of good on the face and and you know, there's certainly a lot of redeeming qualities to it, but is it better than Palkia? You know, again, like that's the question we should be asking whenever we um are trying to contextualize these new cards, and the answer might be no. So shredding curse here is the attack for colorless. Colorless does fifty damage. This attack, excuse me, does fifty times. Uh, this attack. This fifty damage for each of your pokemon that has any damage counters on it. So you are going to try to utilize the Ganger with the abissle gate ability allows...

...you to put it from your discard pile onto your bench directly as a stage two there and then, if you do put three damage counters on that pokemon has a one psychic attack. Put Two damage counters on each of your opponents or on your opponent tacks Pokemon for each of their bench pokemon. So like that's not the worst attack on a support Pokemon, but certainly you're gonna want to be attacking for the one shots with these Zor arc. So Raby again, give me your initial thoughts here on the Zowark archetype. That to me maybe seems a little bit more powerful than the Guarantina, but I could be I could be persuaded. Otherwise. I think the ZARC will be con significantly more consistent than the GUARANTINA. Not only do you have The v Star Power, which you know draws either the seven cards, but you have just a very low to the ground energy attack. You know, just slap a double turbo on there and you can do something with it as long as you get a Ganger into play. You also have cards like the damage pomp and the stadium to get more damage into play quickly so you can get to that eventual end game of, you know, ideally doing the three damage minus the twenty for double turbo for two eight. So very similar numbers as Guarotina. I think ars big flaw is going to be it has two seventy hit points, which and it's going to fill its bench. So Pakia is just really going to run steam on on the store with student Zarcv Star, unless Zark. It gets to an early lead Um, but then it gets to a point where it's like, okay, who goes first? And also can's ARC reasonably get the knockout on a two price pokemon going first on their second turn? And if the answer is no, then Palko probably just wins from there anyway. Um, so I think ZARC at first glance, and maybe I'm wrong, but at first glance zark fails the PALKIO check. I think it does well against potentially archais and maybe as his okay matchups against the rest of the format, but it fails the PALKIO check. In my opinion it's definitely a shame because I think of all the V stars, Zork looks the best. It looks awesome, and maybe that's just because the white borders look really good with the historians. Arcs like white aesthetic Um, but it's really, really cool, and Zark is obviously pokemon near and dear to my heart as someone who is like a really big Zark fanboy. UH, when ZARC was one of the best cards in the format. So yeah, x, of course. Yeah, so you know, I feel it. I I wish that ZARC was maybe as good as Palkia, but I you know, I just I look at a lot of these other v Stars and like, why would I not play a Palki Archias? You know, I need to need to be compelled, although I will say Zark has that most aesthetic deck picture of all time from twitter. That was very nice, where there were a bunch of four of fifteen, four of and it was perfect, the perfect, which is the only legal way to build it at yeah, for sure. I well, if you want to, if you want to pull the most chicks, then that's how you get to build your text. Something like that. So let's talk a little bit about the radiant pokemon from this set. I mean there's from from what I've seen over all, this set is a little bit underwhelming. Obviously I don't know the entirety of the set, but Um, there's some radio pokemon that get released here. Sue and Sneezeler is one of them, which is going to basically completely well, I wouldn't, I wouldn't put it that way, but it does what the toxic croke did. So it increases the amount of damage from poison that now you call it toxic. Interesting, okay, but it's not a it's not a it's on a basic. Okay, Suean Sesler does the same thing, right, but it's not a basic. So poison peak ability. Put Two more damage counters on your phones poison pokemon during pokemon check up. And then we also have radiant steelings, interesting little card, finishing rand sixty damage. Discard cards from the top of your deck until you have one card remaining this deck is thirty more damage. Treat card you discarded in this way energy card, and for each energy card you discardited is that card is wild, straight of wild that they've screded that. Yeah, that's that's certainly like feast or famine type of thing where it's like I can't really think of a time where it'd be good right because you're trying to dig through your deck to find the resources to set up your main attacker and maybe have a radiant steelis in the back, and then it just doesn't seem like there would ever be a time to use radiants discard so many energy at a thirty multiplier do. What do you think also, and let me know if you think differently. This could cost one metal and it would be like still not. OPE. Yeah, I agree, and it definitely could cost to metal and not. Why does it cost to...

...metal and a color energy? It's not fair. They did my boy steeles dirty. All my favorite POKEMON are getting bent. That card does look beautiful, though it does. It looks really nice. And then we also have rading Guardivore, with the avail of affection ability, takes twenty less damage. Pokemon take twenty less damage from your opponent's Pokemon. V that's that's really interesting. Um, it's just kind of an ever present damage reduction. I think that could potentially see play in a wide variety of decks, especially those ones that are like really close to you know, the that to eight. All right, right, we keep coming back to that two eighty number on these V stars, and so you slap a rating guardivore if you don't want to be discarding your energy with radiant Grenninja as maybe radiant guardivore has a home in those decks that are just need that little edge when they're facing off against these other decks that do two eight as well. Yeah, I think. I think those decks that are you just trying to avoid the one shot or can stretch into a two shot guardivar will fit super well. And guardavar seems to be the best of the radiance that are coming out of lost origins so far. Absolutely Um. Let's talk a little bit about some of the other fun stadiums that are coming out in the new sets. So Lake of acuity. Each pokemon that has any water or fighting energy attached to it takes twenty less damage from attacks from the opponents pokemon. So same kind of deal. They are only as the radiant guardivore, just limited to water and fighting, UH energy pokemon. And then we also have the lost city. When a POKEMON is knocked out, put it in the lost zone instead of the discard pile. So potentially another little enabler for the GUARANTINA. Also Anti Mad party tech bro Oh yeah, oh my gosh, you're so right. As the mad party enthusiasts to that why I lost city, as well as some of the cool I would love to live in the lost city. And it looks sick. It looks like because the lost zone colors are the like neon red and blue. It looks like it's being infested with tiktok sludge, you know what I'm talking about, like it's black, neon blue, neon red, and it's all. I think I kind of get what you're saying the TIKTOK color. I don't have Tiktok, but I trust you on that one. Okay, well, it's it's true. I'm telling the truth. Lost City is cool. But there's another card, though, that we didn't mention that I think we'd be foolish not to. It was real just the other day, and that's the Drapeon V. Drapion does have a v Star, so this is an evolving v Although The v Star kind of looks like it sucks Um. The drapon V, though, with the wild style ability. First off, very cool ability game second off, very powerful ability. The POKEMON's attacks cost colorless less for each of your opponents battle styles pokemon in play. So if you should strike rapp a strike, single strike, one coloss last for each of those in play, and it has the dynamic tail attack for four colorless energy does a hundred and ninety damage. And if you do that you do sixty damage to one of your pokemon. So immediately this reminds, reminds me of the Galerian Zapdos fee right where it had a four energy attack cost and it was reduced for all of your opponents vs in play and it hit a big pokemon in the format being alternatives for weakness. DRAPEON takes that too, in my opinion, the next level, because not only you no longer required to play a colored energy for it, you know Zapdos acquiring that fighting, but drapeion potentially to require entery energy. You know, if you're sitting across from a Muv Max, you slap down this dark type drapeon, they will have four. If you should strike pokemon and flay. Yeah, there's no way for them not to. If they're or they're losing anyway and you just snock them out. You know, you're not going of the Max through or Koreo for no effort. It's pretty wild how powerful this card is. I don't like it, I'll be honest. I think it should have a little bit more of a limitation. Be It that colored energy costs right, if it was like a single dark and three colorless or something. I don't know, whatever it is, but just some way that makes it. The fact can get all the way to free is is insane. It is really insane. I don't like that from the cards. I don't like that from the game designers. Um and additionally, like mew is, it's not really a great archetype. Like it's it's kind of been naturally phased out through all the hate that it's received from Palkia and archaeas, and so it didn't really feel like the dray pianos very warranted um coming out this late. You know,...

...it just felt kind of like this should have been if they were going to print something like this, it should have been printed closer to win. You was a stronger archetype, you know, set or two ago, but I don't love the kind of it feels a little lazy to me. The UM, the the the design choices of this raight beyond B and I don't know that there's really that much that, you know, we we don't really need to hate me out that much more. It's also just like why is it so almost like versatile, like why can you, if your opponent keeps calling, why can you now attack for free, just knock something out? You know, it's just it's just kind of a silly card in my opinion. I don't I don't know if I'd use the word Lazy, although it kind of is Um but it seems like half hearted at the very least, like is this the way that we need to deal with every big archetype, you know, and it's almost like escalating. It is my is my concern, because we saw alternatives really dominate and then they printed the Zap dos and Zaptos was really good against alternatives, you know, and it was very much designed to beat alternatives because you had that discard special energy effect to get rid of like your weakness cards, for example. Um, you know, I'm pretty sure if you pulled back an episode from around that time, we were like laughing at how absurd it was. Like. Oh, and also just like discards, the weakness energy before even does damage. Um, it's right, beyond attacks for free. Like what is that? You know, a hundred ninety damage for free is good regardless, especially when you're hitting a top archetype for weakness. I don't know. It just it doesn't really vibe well with me that this is like how we're planning to deal with big archetypes in the future. Is Printing these one card obliterate the strategies, and the fact that the one card obliter right them is only getting more Um, what is the word I'm looking for? Hyperbolic, almost how much it counters them. It's concerning to me. I don't like that. Yeah, I mean we really do have an element of rock, paper scissors in the POKEMON trading card game already, with the weakness just being a really big factor as to, you know, whether or not a deck can be played. Um, you know, you look at Flying Pikachu, is just not really being, in a vacuum, a very good card, but because it has weakness on Paulko, yeah, it's no, it's an all right card, but you wouldn't say like Oh, yeah, that's you know, looking at that card, it's just like yeah, of course this is gonna be a good one. But you know, so there's already that inherent kind of rock paper scissors element to the POKEMON trading card game, but to just have it be so um in your face like the drapeon is it's just like kind of a letdown, right. It's like, Oh man, okay, well, I guess I have this counter and so obvious and it just feels bad in terms of deck building and Deck Creativity Times too. Weakness is definitely not great. It's cringe bro it feels super cringe Um and I think, I think I would if it was up to me for printing counters to decks, I would lean away from weakness and try and instead print strategies that can handle it or strategies that just implicitly like are good against it. You know, imagine if there was some deck that just have reliable ability lock, for example, you know, on a on a pokemon. That would be good versus view without being so pervasive. Right. I don't know any other cards from the set that we need to hit on. I think. I think we hit the big ones. You know, we got I don't know who seriod archidide. Do you want to talk about? Sure, that's a fun one. So we're getting kind of the re return of an archetype that a lot of people liked in the past, the the grand ball. So grand ball was doing more damage if you had no cards in hand. Similar here with the suing arconine. Does ten damage base, but if you have no cards in hand it does a hundred and fifty more damage. So one six total for free. We were saying that one ninety for free was good. How about one sixty on a one prize or this could be an interesting archetype, especially if archaeas continues to see play, because of course the suing Arconine is that fighting type. So being able to one shot an archaeas pretty good. Pretty good enough said there. There's actually one more card I want to talk about and then we can call it. It's been a long one. Uh. The last card I want talking about is Thornton. I'm pretty sure this guy they just made for this card, because I have never seen him before. I guess you don't know about Thornton. Is he like a Pokemon Shield? Exclusive? No, that was my that's my buddy in fourth grade. He moved away.

Oh He's the battle factory frontier brain in platinum. Oh, I thought there was a different guy who did the battle factory. Is He? He's not the same how whatever. So Thornton is a guy that exists and he's very similar to Ninja boy of your so you choose a basic pokemon and your just car pile and switch it with one of your basic pokemon and play. Uh, and it preserves anything that was on that prior basic pokemon. So any attached cards, which includes tools and energy, damage, counters, turns and play, special conditions, effects of attacks, all those are preserved. But you're now a new pokemon, so you can do like cool little tricks with it. Um, I don't know if it'll immediately be good in the standard, but it it's certainly like a fun card to think about. You know, imagine using Thornton on your Reggie in the Reggie Kist and swapping into like some crazy see card, you know, maybe the amazing rare that takes a bunch of different colored energy, you know, or and that's that's certainly like maybe the most random commo. But there's other cool stuff that you can do. When you think of Thornton, you know it's it's a cool card to have in the format. Ninja boy was fun, so I'm excited for Thornton. Yeah, you can get back your Drapon vs. Yeah, man, be awesome. You don't even need to Clara for it's so sick. For sure. Yeah, I agree. Thornton is one of those are it's like it. It opens up some new deck building ideas, new deck building concepts, and it's just a fun card to have in the format. Thornton your mimic UV that was safe into a different Pokemon, so you can evolve it brow. That's pogger's stuff and I think now I now that we've covered Thornton, who is a real character, I am comfortable bringing this to a close. Well, guys. Thank you, guys, so much for listening. This has been quite the episode. Next week we're gonna be talking a little bit more about our world's preparation as we start heading into the next five weeks before worlds. I can't believe it's already closing in upon us, but if you want to get more plugged into the content that we both create, you can find us over on twitter. I am at Real John Walter Riley is over at smiles with Riles, and then we have the podcast at tag team pokemon. We have something really cool coming up for you, guys. Um We actually have some merch created, so we're getting uh, that going. So if you want to support the CAST, you've already bought man escaped, you've already bought your manscape product and you're just wondering like, Hey, how can I give these guys a little bit more money to help them keep coming up with this content and, you know, support them? If you just want to support us a little bit more, then yeah, we have some merch coming out. We're really excited about debuting that here as soon as we get some other things finalized. You can also find us over on twitch. We stream the podcast every single Wednesday night twitch dot TV slash monner. I also run a twitch stream myself, twitch dot TV Slash Flex Daddy. You're righteous. Have I covered it all? I think you did okay good. So we'll see you on the next podcast. Guys. Thank you all so much for listening. Ye, see you.

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