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Season 4, Episode 47 · 2 months ago

4-47. We Got Merch!! World's Preview Part 1

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Yo, what is up, guys? Welcome back to tag team, the POKEMON trading card games premier podcasting duo. My name is Riley Hulbert, joined as always by my good, good friend Mr J W creewall. G W. How's it going today? Hey, Riley, pretty well. How are you? I'm doing great, man. As been a lovely week, the last week for me, taking a little jaunt away from the standard stater weeks that I have, you know, take expensive time in Akron with Andrew, Natalie privor that. The wedding was awesome. Obviously, winning itself was a ton of fun. You were there. I remember it vivid. Yeah, so, so great stuff. So I'm doing great. How are you doing? Yeah, I gotta say it was a fun weekend, man. It was just just a good time. Probably. You know, I've been to like maybe ten weddings or so now and this was definitely in the top ten. So really nice time with friends and enjoying the gift of marriage and then also just partying. Yeah, for sure. I mean those are two things I both really enjoyed, you know. Yeah, definitely, man. That that lemonade drink, am I right? Yeah, the lemonade went crazy. For sure. That stuff was insane. It was insane. And the thing is it was just like a it was just a mix, like it was a pre made like lemonade or whatever. But something about him man just hit it, did it, did, hit, miss it every day. So good. Yeah, a ton of fun. It was great seeing everybody, Um old friends and knew. It was beautiful, wonderful experience all around, and thankfully, neither of US got covid. Yes, thankfully, I tested. This seems like at back and actually start to get fair, because Aaron Palmer, it's we did that, that she had gotten covid. So I'm like, all right, I gotta know. Well, she didn't. She technically didn't get she said they get tested if you interacted with her because she might have it. Yeah, well, she she tested negative as well, also multiple times, but just like feeling sick. But Anyway, I digress. Yeah, thank you. Well, I got paranoid, though, because as soon as I even get the plant in my brain that I might have it, it worries me. So you gotta you gotta Trust Your Brain to tell your body that you're not sick. and well, it's almost like it's like when you see lice in a TV show for me. You know, you ever watched the Arthur episode where he gets lice and just like you feel like you have lice the next day? Okay, that's how I that's how I get. Yeah, okay, I didn't really watch much Arthur as a kid. Well, surely you've watched some TV. I feel like lice is a bigger deal when we were a kid. I don't think. Yeah, Oh, for sure. Well, I don't know. Do they still check it's for life now in schools? I don't know. Maybe it's just a kids thing in general. ASP growing up we don't think about as much anymore, but you know TV shows, you know the cartoons and the live action sitcoms, they'd all have like life episodes. You know. Yeah, I guess you're right now that I'm thinking about it, but I don't know if that's still the trend. Like, do the octonots have life episodes? I don't know, I don't even know what that is. Does does blue we have a life episode? You're speaking Roger. DADS CAN DADS can attest. You can tweet at me and let me know. Well, that all said. Fun, Jimmy, I had some great fun together, but the grind has started for the pokemon world championship in just a few weeks now, just about a month away from the tournament itself, and it's an exciting time. You know, we we're really rocking with the format now that we're going to half the worlds. There's no set coming out shortly before worlds like there have...

...been for the previous couple of years. So we got it. Pokemon go plus the Astra radiant set is the cut off and we've just been in the grinder. G W what are some of the things that we've been trying on our way to the world championship? Well, we've been trying a number of different things and I think we're at this point. I would say honestly, that we're being a little bit too tame with it, but we've been trying a lot of archaias variants and obviously Paul key are trying to come up with just the best list for that. So those are kind of the things that we've been honing in on and I I know I need to do a better job of just trying to do something a little bit more out of the box, trying to think a little bit broader Um trying to think about where the Meta game could end up, because even if you do make it out of that first day, you'll have the opportunity to change your deck for the next day. So, even if we decide to go with something maybe a little bit more say for day one, maybe there's the opportunity to switch it up for day two and you know, based on what we might see there. So I think this week I really want to focus on doing things that, Um, you know, are not certainly not Pulkia like. I feel like that deck. I kind of know where I want to go with it. I know the list that I would play for the most part, given, you know, two or three cards. I want to try some weird things, some interesting things. Yeah, I feel similarly. We've, you know, we tested the big dogs really against each other. It seems very back and forth, so to speak, between them. Um, I do think Palkio, you know, of course, has to be on the table playing is kind of like the villain, so to speak. You know, cad your can all the ideas overcome the archaeas Palkia litmus tests, so to speak. Um, but I don't think we need to Ram them at each other, so to speak. What do you mean? Oh, you said, you said, so to speak three times. Oh, repeat, welled up. Yeah, let's let's get that in post, for sure, you know. But you know, you do have that archaeus and Palkia litmus test to overcome. Can your deck hang with both archaeus and Pakia? If yes, worth considering. If no, probably need to go down a different path, at least in my yeah, absolutely. It's a very simple like decision tree where, yeah, Archaeus and Paukia occupy, you know, one door and behind door number one archias and Polkan and if can get past them, then I mean you're you're you have something on your hands there. And then, obviously, if they do not, then you are not looking. Um, I would not recommend that you take that archetype if it does not beat those two. Absolutely, or at least. Yeah, yeah, you need to be. You to hang with them right. You need to be in that that running with those decks. So let's talk about some of the decks that we have played so far, how they look versus each other and, you know, maybe some of the initial ideas that we have for the next things that we want to try out. Then after the ad read will talk more in depth, specifically about archias Italian. You know what our thoughts are on the deck. Why might you bring it? Why much not, etcetera, etcetera. That all said, we've JB said we've been pretty vanilla so far and that's certainly the case where we actually been testing the ADP decks. We think about it. We've been testing archis Talian, Calcia and Di Alga, Um the Aga, the least of the three, but still in there. Um. I would love to bring on the topic of Dalga, I would love to bring a solitaire deck if possible, because then you don't really care about what your opponent is playing and you can just do your own thing, and one of the that was certainly a strategy for us in twenty eighteen with the Ray Quasa deck and just kind of you do your own thing, but...

...you do it, you know, faster, harder, stronger earlier than other decks and you can really capitalize. So you know, my heart is like, Oh, I would love for a dialog gonna be good, please, please, dialgraphy good so that I don't have to like think too hard about certain matchups or I can really focus in on my play for the tournament. Early results for the Dialgadet haven't been stellar. I don't think it's necessarily off the table, but it doesn't feel like, you know, if I was going to worlds tomorrow, that would be a deck I choose. I would echo that. You know, our initial games of ALGA were into arcis Italian right and it felt like it wasn't reliably get any energies onto the board in the way it needed to execute the game plan fully. It was as the person who was playing the day ALGA and in several of the Games it was pretty frustrating honestly, to play because you felt like you had so little agency over what was going on and like the Commo justst was not coming together. Ever, I don't know, the Agadeck when it POPs is completely insane. It's something that I want to see you work because I think there's a lot of potential there and certainly, like amongst solitaire decks, there's a, you know, kind of consistent end game for your Alga deck. You know exactly what you're trying to do over the course of that game and how it's going to be routed. But something is just not hitting right for me, and maybe it's just the way we're building the deck. Maybe it's some secret piece that needs to be a part of it that just we haven't thought of yet, but I don't feel like it's all the way there at this time. Yeah, I'm with you. It's so which sucks because you know, you played against the Archais, to tell you, and you you should feel like that's one of the more favorite matchups, I think, because you have the potential of one shot multiple quis in succession and it actually is a challenge for them to one shot you in return. But results of not really done that. Yeah, right, it's just been kind of, you know, as with the solitaire decks, if you put a piece in the wrong order, that can be really, really, Um, a struggle to overcome. If you know you're getting your metal saucers without energy and the discard pile, or you know you can't get your second dialga down and they're able to gust up and put some damage on the first one. I mean it just um can get really tough there. It's also felt unfortunate that, you know, cross switchers have been the go to for Paucias now, because you can no longer do or at least not as reliably. Can you do tricky fun stuff like high behind the dancy for a turn because dancy does not protect against the cross switchers? Yeah, yeah, I mean that's certainly something where it's like that deck felt probably incredible on that first week of the format and then now, as, like you said, the cross switchers become standardized in Palkia, it just doesn't quite work out the same. You're kind of relying more on me, but then that also opens you up to just getting boss bossed up. So it's pretty tough out there for for that style deck. I agree. So then the other two big decks that we've been throwing at each other have been Palkia and archy's and Italian. We said it was looking kind of back and forth. How did those decks perform in practice against each other? The slight edge from our testing went to the Palkya deck, but overall, like you said, it was very close. What we've been trying to do with the Palka deck is play it for a very hyper aggressive turn one and then just kind of figure it out from there, and I've almost taken that a step farther in my poky list. Like I'm not playing really that I that I can remember off the top of my head. I'm not playing any recovery cards, so I've even cut things like pal pad. I cut the ordinary...

Rod. Not that many people were playing that in Paul key to begin with, but just going to show that we had that in the list in Milwaukee and any I see I've cut that from the list because I'm trying to again hyper focus on that turn one and then just let Paul key do its thing where it's gonna do more damage more reliably than you for less effort and just as long as I can get a couple of pokemon down on the first turn, maybe get some energy in the discard pile, I'm gonna be all set up. So even considering going up to a fourth capacious bucket right to just get the energy more flowing through the deck. And so there are just a lot of these considerations where I'm kind of forgetting or not considering the late game, aside from maybe a Marni rock sand and a path and just Taylor making the deck for the turn. Once on the other side of the coin with the Intelian Deck, that is is pretty standardized. I mean I like where that's at in terms of there's not really going to be much reinvention of the wheel, other than potentially adding in the chars ARD, which I think make a lot of sense. Um. I played a tournament with the Archaeus chars ARD and I know you might be rolling your eyes, Riley, but I thought it was a good showcase of, you know, certainly the people in the tournament, for the most part, I think, care more than the people that I find on the ladder. So while the decks weren't Um, you know, spot on in terms of of of the you know, the list like that I would have suggested for the event. Um from from other players. They certainly Um. You know, we're players that were invested in trying to win. So played a Palkia there, ended up winning that. Played a mirror there one that game, um, yeah, played and played an archie's Pikachu. was able to win that and I felt like with the archaeus and telling on Chars r deck, that it was very strong. But I always felt on the edge of my seat towards the end of the game where it's like, okay, I have this huge hand and I know I can pull off this great combo, but if they're able to disrupt my hand or if they're able to take a knockout or you know whatever. It is just these these few different things where it's like I could never quite be sure, or I had, you know, to energy on a benched archais and so like, okay, they're gonna take a knockout here on the active and if I can't get an energy then I won't have an attack for the next turn. You know, it's just all these little things where I was able to pull it out at the end of the day, but I always felt like I was struggling to get there. There was like a lot of a lot of grind. I never felt in control from turn one to the end of the game and I think that it's a very intellig on deck story though well. But I will say I have felt like that a lot more frequently at the Palka deck, right because Paulkia can just be the aggressor go for those one shots really kind of pick off targets on the bench a little easier, I feel, than the archaeus deck, because the arcis deck and certainly Um, you know, get an early boss, but it's harder for them to get the you know, to twenty to knock out a V right. So I just feel like the Palkya Deck I've been in control more often in more games, like from the from the gun. Right. Yeah, and I think that that lines up well though. Right, because the Palky deck you're trying to be the aggressor and the archeus deck you're trying to almost you're playing for more, you're playing for more of a mid, mid leg game strategy. So right. So does intell you on decks that are going for kind of a long, long form game? You know, you start to Peter out, so to speak. Disruption affects you more heavily because you need more and more pieces in your hand over the course of the game to win. Yeah, I get it. I took that lines up, in my opinion, with what you're striving. Yeah, so we were playing back and...

...forth the matchup and, Um, it felt like the Paulkia into arcas matchup. Just you got T v Star decks. So whoever's gonna swing first is more than likely going to come out ahead. Now that's not necessarily true. Um, I felt like Pakia did have more, Um, more of that opportunity to come back. If they gave up the first knockout. But that's kind of what we were seeing from that matchup. Is just playing it over and over again, you see these patterns where it's like, okay, well, you went first, got the first attack, you took the first knockout, like you're the time, going to win that game. It felt like that. Yeah, it seems like the only way that that wasn't the case. If there is, if there was some tricky shenanigans with disruption cards and rating Grinncha, it was the only situations that we saw that broke out of that bold absolutely. I would completely agree with the exception of like just random dead draw games and, worse, random Marty into death. Yeah, yeah, which which still happens, which still happens. You know, I think we should be over that by now. I've always been a huge marty proponent, like I would have like deck that can Marny my imphone until they eventually lose, because the second one might not hit, but I feel like the third one, yeah, if I can just make it to that Third Marty, Oh baby. So, yeah, definitely a lot of back and forth, though, in that archaeus versus the Palkia. You know, again, we've only tested really some vanilla stuff so far. So I'm curious what is something that's the top of your mind of for what we should look at next? Yeah, well, I think there's a lot of different ways to go with archias that we haven't explored and we can talk a little bit more about that in the second half of the cast. But, Um, I've been thinking a lot about b drill. As you know, playing Archias B drill is like, okay, if there's gonna be a lot of archaeas, which we project there to be, because there was a lot of archias at an a I C and as the last major tournament before worlds, it will probably have a pretty significant impact on the Meta game. And so, you know, thinking a lot about Arcas B S. I've been thinking about dialogue, as we as we brought up, but I've also been thinking about things like Malamar. You know, a deck that can one shot V stars as a one prize or can maybe outrade with those Palkias, with those archaeas decks, and try to get ahead that way. And do you think amongst one prize decks, as Malam are the one that's the most appealing to you right now? I would say so. I know we've said for a long time that Reggie was but the Reggie deck just has um it. It has some struggles. The more I play it the more just like has not been the deck that Um I wanted to be. It's still in that like tier two range, as is a deck like Malamar, but it doesn't feel like Um, you know, when I play against it, because I'm not really grinding it that much anymore. But when I play against it, I always find that there's just that one turn where they'll miss an attack. Like it's been pretty frequent anytime I played a reggie deck. is like they'll miss an attack or they'll miss benching that sixth Reggie and then if I'm playing something like Paulkia, then I can just use nechoing horn and like that just completely disrupts the strategy. And so um, that's kind of what I've been seeing. I think Malamar has maybe a little higher I think Malamar has just a little higher ceiling because it can go for those one shots more reliably. On just kind of general things, I think Reggie is maybe a little bit better into like a specific Meta Game Um, where you know what what you're getting yourself into.

But I just feel like Malamar is Um is one of those that I haven't explored as fully yet, but I know like has the possibility to go toe to toe with These v Star decks and then come out ahead. Yeah, I mean Lamar, it was the classic one price deck and it feels almost unfair to Malamar that it was so rapidly disappeared from the Meta game as soon as astral radius came out. Only with the true believer in Ross coffin did we continue to see. Not Our representation, and he did well, you know, he did great at any I see getting in that top sixteen. So why aren't people talking about it? I think that's a pretty logical thought process. Yeah, that's that's definitely true. I think a lot of people have just kind of like and that's what I'm worried about for worlds. Like I'm really worried that and I want to try to like break out of this as much as we can in the next, you know, three and a half weeks, right. So it's like but just like breaking out of Um just. How can I think about these decks in a new way? How can I give credence, you know, to decks that just Um, maybe haven't been thought about in a while. So Malmar is like a great example of that. How can I just think about these decks for what they are and not necessarily for what they've done? And because, you know, certainly Malmar has was off everyone's radar, no one really played it. Um, it did, you know, pretty well at and I see considering the representation. And so you know, why not? Why not the underdog or the under squid, the undersquid? So you're so cool man. Yeah, I think the the other thing that jumps out to me is something I want to try out is some kind of crazy like quad pokemon type the deck where you just have just had the guys and that's it. I think back to world when we played guardfire and that went very well for at least me. Um. So, you know, probably the obvious parallel there is stone journal. But Stone Journal makes me a little bit nervous. I haven't really played a ton of it, but something about it just doesn't hit the same way Guardivar hit for me. Um, probably because Guardivar had that like instant wind switch, I guess, against some decks with the with the charms. Stone Turner doesn't feel like it has that quite as overwhelming fashion, but stuff like that is something I want to try. Is More of a you know, big guy that archias and Palk just can't really deal with type of deck. Yeah, and that's kind of the struggle, right with playing a counter deck for a world championship, is because all these people are trying to also, Um, you know, come up with unique strategies and different strategies and so and also people are kind of like in their own you know, a little think, you know, thought box or echo chamber, right where it's like, you know, everyone in this part of the world plays x deck, so of course they're going to bring that deck. And like everyone in this part of the world plays this other style deck. And like, you know, and I think a parallel, like, if I could just say it, you know, like Um, in America. You know, we've seen all of the regionals in America be one by ARCHAEAS DEX right. So it's like okay, Um, surely there's gonna be some type of correlation right where, you know, if we looked at all decks of Americans, like they would probably be, you know, in my mind, and maybe this would be untrue, but just you know, saying like there will be a higher proportion of archaias x amongst Americans. You know, maybe there would be like, I don't know, higher proportions of Weird stall decks amongst European you know what I'm saying, though. It's like so it's just so hard. It's so...

...hard to like think about this Meta game for worlds because it can be really, really different just depending on different regions. But, like you said, bringing it back, not to go off on this tangent, but bringing it back, the going so hard against certain archetypes leaves you very vulnerable to these other matchups. So, for instance, like stronge Journal, you're gonna YOU'RE gonna struggle with dialogue, you're gonna struggle with mew and if you don't expect to see those, then you're probably in the clear, right, if you're just getting the archaistics which have been dropping dunce bars, so that, you know, has got to be really good for you now at this point. Um, and then if you're seeing the PALKYA decks like you're you're in the clear, man, like you're doing good, you're gonna have a great performance. Um, you just don't want to see you know, it's not very good into the field and you bring up an interesting point and I think we should talk about it. The that mew is rapidly disappearing from the conversation, do you think mew is actually a deck that people are not considering, or as it just exited people's thoughts as Archias and have kind of taken over the Meta game? Well, it's kind of interesting because I don't think that archias decks are in any better position, or necessarily worse position than they were before. Like to deal with me, I think. I think. Actually, yeah, if I had to choose, like they're not taking more from you, they're definitely taking less from you, which just is interesting. Right. It's an interesting observation. Um. The PALKIA decks, though, I think, are a where we kind of have seen you struggle with for the most part. Like I would say that Paulkia is a favorable matchup Um, or me as a favorable matchup for Paulki, it's a bad matchup form you, and so just the fact that Paulky is like the deck of this format, objectively, like our best deck right now in this format, just really punishes mew. Filling their bench, having these three prizers. Um, it's it's really hard to deal with right and then having to try to go through Three v Stars in a game as the mew player is really difficult. So I think that's where mew is really struggling in that you know, it is probably fine against, or it's no worse against the archaist x in the past than it is now, but you have just this this core Um, you know, pillar of the Meta game that's just really hard to get through, especially when you're gonna see so many of them in a tournament. You know, even if you're taking a sixty forty against a deck in a tournament, it's not the end of the world, you know, you can take that like take your take your losses as they come. But if you're going to see six of that, then that's where you get into a lot of trouble. So I think that's what Mus issue right now is that you're just seeing too much Paul out there, and that's fair. You know how you'll be out there right now. How can you be hungry? He'd be hungry for sure, and I don't think me is super great into Archias, even though straightforward versions either. You know, it feels like the Arcius. Opinion has shifted towards the straightforward archies Italian and I don't think that's a great matchup for you either, to be honest. Yeah, definitely hanging even, I think. Yeah, well, but it's interesting though, right, because the archaeus Italians that Um, I've seen perform well, like, are not playing as much path as they have been in the past. is where I would think, you know, you would gain a significant advantage over view. Yeah, I think you do run through that same fundamental problem, though, if if you don't get the first Ko on a v Star, it's really hard to get any chaos. Yeah. Yeah, archias tends to push that even further because it tends to play big charms. Yeah, yeah, that's absolutely true. I mean you know, you look at Um. Yeah, a lot of...

...these arcis and telling on decks are taking a little less from you, which with things like path of the peak, Um, and a little more for just the general field, with teching in radiant chars art and maybe Magma Basin as their stadium. Um. So I think that does play into views favor on the whole. U. But you know again that that will be something that we need to look into because what we haven't really given a lot of credence to is the straight Arcius and telling on, no frills, just cut and dry. That's true. That is absolutely true. I think the only other thing that I really want to try out at the top of my mind right now is some sort of stall deck. You've been talking about that with me as well. I think my problem is just figuring out, you know, how do you make that archetype new and work, because I think stall is the best on you, at least partially, reinvent the wheel for every tournament. Yeah, yeah, it'll be. You know, it'll be something that we really need to theory. Mn Right, because we have these pieces that are very strong. We have the mill tank, strong card if the deck that you're sitting across from is not prepared for it. You have them mew two, like insane card against any deck that can't one shot it, which is going to be Pulkia and archaeas. And then you have, you know, just your your crushing hammers, right, like you're just disruption cards that are just like it's just good, like those are just always been good, right. It's always been they've always had presents. Certainly in the last few years. So there's a lot of pieces. You know. Of course there's the elder go sloop that we keep bringing up, but we're we haven't quite figured that out where you use the elder Goss and the and the Cheryl and the corvenits. I really want that to be good man. Yeah, I think the corbunite will honestly just be hurting the most by the sation of the chars are more than anything. Well, that and cross switchers. Yeah, the thing is that the corbinite version of the loop isn't as vulnerable to cross switchers because he can heal one corbinite. M Hmm. But the but the charges are. It is really annoying. Well, the charges are. They would have to power up right, like they'd have to get three returns of energy attachments. Yeah, but but you could theoretically still do that, because you're not ye, after your hammers are out. Yeah, Denis Fair, it's open season, bird hunting season, season for sure, Bro I'm on it. So, yeah, I would love to find a stall type of archetype, though, and maybe it is still just from the mewtwo back. Who knows? Yeah, are you? I don't want to take this front segment on too long because we're gonna be talking worlds from now until August. But are you worried about stall as an archetype, like if you're not going to play if you're not going to play it, like how much are you worried about a mil tank, or how much are you worried about the mewtwo deck just generally MIL tanks? I think it's always good just to have answers for stall more generally. Not as worried about it. I don't think, and maybe I'm proven wrong, but it seems like even in the online space that mewtwo is kind of declined to popularity where it was very popular immediately after world or after any I c you haven't seen that same energy and fervor behind the mewtwo deck since then. I don't think a ton of people are going to be playing stall. If the number will be insignificant enough that you can justifiably not play around it. Very nice. Cool. Well, let's let's go into card of the day then, J w. What do you got for us today? Yeah, absolutely so. This is one of my first cards that I remember being really excited about. So I had are to...

...collecting cards with legendary collection, like a round base set, and I just got cards and then and then I just like threw them in a in a box and like I didn't really think too much about the card itself. And then I really started to get into like strategy right around the NEO era, like okay, how do I play with these cards? Like Um, more art as well, and I just there were a few cards that I really, really loved and I would buy, Um, I don't. Well, I wouldn't buy it because I did not own anything, I did not make a salary, but I would ask my parents to buy me cards and they were very gracious and they never went all out. You know, normally I'd like save up my birthday money and go out and buy stuff, but they give me a pack here there, you know, they give me a a here there. Yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, really, and it wasn't I knew not to ask too much. I knew not to like push my buttons on it, but you know, hey, you know, paid a rolls around like sure, we'll get jw another another set of pokemon cards. We're already at the target, so we'll go drop another, you know, item in the basket. But one of the one of the decks that I remember getting was this neo deck that had, you know, because they all all the theme decks, feature of Pokemon. So I remember this hitm on top being so cool. I just loved it so much. I was like, Oh man, I'm gonna make so many decks around. It does so much damage. Is Very, very cool card. I liked hit on top in the Games because it was it was kind of elusive in the games, like I don't think I ever had a hit on top. So I was like, Oh man, wow, I can have a hit on top in my collection of cards that I can never get in the video game. So there's this hit on top of neo that has a detect attack. First attack, flip a coin of heads during your opponent's next turn. Prevent all effects of attacks, including damage done to hit on top. The insane. The next attack triple kick. Now this it gets interesting right. It can do up to nine d damage. All you have to do is flip three heads. Yeah, this flip three coins. It's TEX is three damn times into her head. So triple kick insane attack for sure. Hit on top, I mean you know, it's a crappy card like let's let's not get ourselves six finding pokemon kind of interesting art, though. I was always just like really enamored with the art, even though it's like this very like simplistic art. Him On top is kind of upside down kicking your face. Yeah, as it as it does, but that's my card to the day. I have very fond memories of this hit on top and for some reason, maybe I got one in a pack, and then the and then the theme deck came with one, but I had two of them and I was like, Oh, nice, yeah, that's deck building material. Even as a young kid, I knew you more of your good cards than less. You're mad genius brow. I know that's so sick. Well, you know what J W is. Hit on top will spin around on his head and use his three legs to attack. But if you, the listener, want to make sure that your third leg is nice and clean and intact, do we have the sponsor for you? That's right, the TAG team podcast is sponsored and presented by manscaped. Jeff, why don't you tell us a little bit about our friends over at manscaped? Absolutely all, Riley, it's time to nut up or shut up and take the easiest step to looking sexy in the summer by using man escaped, manscaped ultra smooth package. Make sure that you have the proper care for down there, and their boxers two point Oh give you the perfect stage to show off your new luck. Now I'm wearing the boxer's two point know right now. I can confidently say they'll keep you...

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...game and like game to the Chairman's care and heal up. Yeah, I mean really, the only deck that can hit those kind of numbers is Pakia. Pakia is somewhat dependent on your opponent filling their bench to get all the way up to the two eight and three ten, and ideally the Arkie slayer isn't doing that for you. Right. You know, they don't really need that many Italians down to do what they're trying to do, for the same reason that they can play those supporters in the mid game. They just aren't doing that much in the mid in the MIDDEN late game they're healing and swinging and that's all they're doing every turn. Right, absolutely so. We're all familiar with Arkis and Italian right. It's a powerful staple of the last two formats here. J W. Why might you consider bringing Arkis Italian specifically to the World Championship? I think the matchup spread against the field is probably really Um, among the best. I mean I would go to say ghost so far to say it is the best deck against the field, and so that would be one reason to play it, because you have some opportunity to outplay opponents, um, or at least outlast them. Like we were talking about, the Games can go on for long enough that Um, you might have a route to Um, you know, get to that leg game, maybe get a nice rock sane, or certainly you're marnying them. Um, you know, as often as you can and then charance caring. So you just have these tools to go into a blind field and more likely than not, more often than not, perform well. I think that's pretty valid. So what's the flip side of that then? You know, you said the archies Italian. It's probably the best deck versus the field. Why are we even bothering anything else? Why don't we just leave it up? Well, that's great, great question. Um. So there are some noticeable weaknesses to the Archaeus Intellian archetype, and I'd say chief among them is the average damage output. It's not bad, it's not great. You know you're hitting for if you're playing just classic archis in Italian. You know, maybe not a hyper aggressive build, because certainly you could play a Zig Sagoon, you could play a couple of choice belt Um and you can even play the radio charges there. But what I'm talking about for the most part is this just straightforward Vanilla archaeus Intellian deck that we've seen in past formats. Your damage jot put is not that high. You might struggle against these stall archetypes Um or, you know, anything that has a little bit more mobility or things that can one shot you right, because we've talked about a lot of the healing that the archies deck has. So those are the kind of the two weaknesses. It's like you're not one shotting anything and if your opponents decon one shot you, that's just a recipe for disaster in certain matchups. That said, there's not a ton of those decks out there. Yeah, I agree, especially in this format, there's not a lot that can one shot the V star. There are plenty of decks that can one shot the V which is notable because every time you sharing if you want to keep looping, you need to put a v down right, but not a lot that can one shot to v Star. However, another thing I'll note is, you know, if there's the stalled decks or the Stone Journal decks or or what have you that can take advantage of arcus is capped damage, you're really looking at the two thirty outside of the charisard being your your ceiling with a choice belt. Things can get tricky because I would say the world championship is when you'll most disproportionately see those kind of off the wall decks. And maybe I'm wrong there, but in my experience that's when your most disproportunately see those kind of decks because people are trying to break them at a and be creative, because the world championship.

Yea. And if anyone, if there's any deck there's a target on its bag, I would say it's even more than Palkia right now. I think it's archeus Italian. Yeah, and there's a really uh. There's another great reason to play the ARQUEAS deck is that you're gonna do what you need to do every game. You're going to get that star birth off on turn too, you're gonna go fetch the pieces that you need to grab and you're gonna be swinging, and that's you know, there's a lot to be said for just playing something that can do what it needs to do every single game almost without fail. I mean, certainly we've all had those weird arcias hands, but you're just more likely than not going to be able to do what you need to do, and so there's a lot of there's a lot of merit in that, for sure. I think the other potential demerit is that because archias plays some of these non live cards. You know, you think of the Sharon's care. You think of like the Roxanne even. Oh is that? Did you hear that? Yeah, that's under Oh wow, I looked out my window and I saw the strike. The powers that be are telling us to not slay an archias. Yeah, maybe it's it's Arcius himselves smiting us for going against his will. Man, that's crazy train of thought to your real Um, they're saying another negative. Oh Yeah, another potential negative of the archeus deck is against decks that play a lot of Marni's or Roxanne. You have a lot of not immediately high value cards. You know, you're playing things like the POW pads, you're playing things like the Sharon's care that don't necessarily do a lot actively. If you end up like stuck, and sometimes it's in such a weird position that you can't even like driss off for anything, because the archistics play such a low count of draw supporters. So you know, if you use your one Marney in your second Marty's prize or something and you get marnied, things get weird fast. Yeah, definitely, definitely. Yeah, that is certainly Um, somewhat of a negative right where it's like you're so reliant on the INTELIAN engine for your draw and you're pretty low to the ground to be honest, but you're so reliant there. It's like if anything disrupts that, or even you know, I think about things like jolt, you know, as being a card that could really up end some of the top decks that we've been talking about, the pocky and the Archaeus, where you don't really have a lot of great answers to a card like that. No, no, it's kind of hard to set up for your opponent. It's a lot of pieces. But I would look at something like that where, yeah, like you said, it's it's hard for the archaeas deck to survive without its abilities. So if you're not able to get enough, sobble down or one gets gusted up or UM. You know, you're just so reliant because you don't play that many draw supporters, like you were saying, and you can't fit enough draw supords. Right, you try to fit all this other stuff right. So how you play? You Got Star Earth needs to draw spoord exactly. So then, what is the tag team spice looking like for archias Italian? Are we looking to just play it straightforward, or how else might we mix up the deck if we're going into the world championship? It's a great question. I mean, what I've been telling people, what I've been really trying, Um, is to run the Arcias Italian deck with chars ARD. I've been really trying that because, like we're just saying, one of the weaknesses of archaeas is that it doesn't have a way to one shot things, just period, end of story, you know. And when you're playing these V star decks, like Paul Kia, like the Mirror Um, like any other v Star Deck, you want that damage at the end of the game, and so that's where radio chars hard steps in and says, Hey, I'm gonna be swinging for two F I can, I can even do it twice potentially. That's kind of what of what I think about archaeas Um as being like this deck that can...

...potentially put out the most damage, right, because if you can attack, you know, two, three, four times with an Archaius v Star and then you can attack once or twice with the chars ard, I mean that's just like so much damage that your opponent has to manage, right. So it's has that potential to be one of the hardest hitting, you know, per attack decks in the format. Um, so, yeah, that that's kind of my spice right now. That's what I'm trying. Mixed results with the charges ard, I feel like. Um, you know, I played this tournament the other day and they were definitely like three four of the Games that I played charges ARD was a factor in some way, shape or form and like two of those it just like literally won me the game. If I didn't have it, I would not have won. And so I need to get more quality testing in with the chars ARD. But initial thoughts are coming back more on the positive side, although not overwhelmingly positive, because you are sacrificing a lot for that charge ard. I think about the stadium cards, you know, the archaeus deck. Would love to play path of the peak to try to slow the opponent down a bit, but the way I was playing the archais Italian with chars art is trying to play a couple of magma basin so that I could just basically go for the charges ARD almost at any point and potentially even before the opponent got down to two prizes. Right, so you could maybe, you know, attach a double turbo to the charges ARD and then use magma basin and you could get it going on. There are three prize turn or whatever you know. And and maybe that's not necessarily how you want to play it. Maybe you do want to play it with Um, without the charge ard and with path of the peak. But I was sacer or with charge ard and path of the peak. But I was kind of saying, okay, I'm gonna Lean into this charge ard strategy, seem how good it is and go away from the more traditional peak based archaeus decks. Yeah, charges art is definitely something I was heavily considering prior to even our initial testing. You know I for example, I was trying it out on Andrew Stream the other week, Um, and I immediately texted you I really like this idea. Let's let's dive further into it. So we've all we've always been on the same page. The chars are seems like it has a lot of potential. You just have to weigh is the disruptive power of the path worth the proactive damage of the Chars Art? Is kind of where you lie, and I still am on the favorable end of that. Personally, I really like the idea of going Arcius, Archias, chars archars ARD as, the six prizes your opponents are forced to take because you're taking that early game, you're taking the archies, you can chair and scare of them. Then at the end of the game it's kind of like you go with Multus, right, but just a little bit simpler, although you need to not play path, whereas multus you could. Right, absolutely. So you're trading off that, maybe the ease of maintenance of the multist for not being able to have the disruptive elements of path. Yeah, definitely, definitely, and I mean would it surprise you if players played the maltras instead of the CHARS AARD? I mean, the Maltras has certainly proven itself as a phenomenally powerful cards, the card that we've talked about a lot on the cast as being incredibly overwhelming as a one preiser. I don't think that's really changed for Maltras. It's just harder to use and at the moment than the charges are. It is, you know, because you need that three energy to get it going. Where is the charges? ARD can function off of one, which is a substantial difference there. The other maybe factor is if you expect to see any view, then the maltras is just so good against that or if the charges doesn't really make any difference in that matchup for the most part. There's a couple other cards that I'd like to talk about in terms of bumping up the damage that archaeas decks can do. Yeah, first one is slacking V that, uh, does two D sixty damage on its...

...heavy impact attack. Takes Four prizes. Now this would be if you were to include slacking, you would definitely be including path because it has an ability that says you can't attack if you have two, four or six prize cards remaining, which you know, kind of absurd, but you're trading that off for an attack that could potentially do upwards of two damage. So Um, you know, something there to to at least think about. I I think the investment for slacking is maybe a little more then I'm willing to pay, but it certainly is a card that can be looked at. The other one it would be starmv, and starm V with its second attack does fifty damage, times the amount of energy and play on your opponents side of the field. So it's very much a reactive card. It very much deals with you know what might be or what could be as opposed to what is, but it's only as a card that slots very nicely into an Archaeus intellian list, because you're already playing the waters and it could be something that, Um, you know, you could potentially think about as a card for the mirror or as a card for Palky ADX, that they get a little bit too loose with their energy. Are there any cards that you're thinking outside of the chars ard for a straight archaeus and tellian build that would maybe, you know, make the archetype a little bit better? Not Necessarily, I I've definitely wanted a little bit more draw in those decks for the same reasons I was mentioning earlier as part of the archaeus text problems. That's not anything like groundbreaking or crazy. I think the interesting question the Archaeus deckx will have to answer is ultimately stadium related, almost like do you play a path count to make your opponent's life harder, or do you play training courts to make your life easier? Or do you play Magna Basin to enable charges ard a little bit more heavy? Um? Do you play collapse STAD UM or shopping center to either make your opponent have to hit another piece to use Reggie Giggas or to use Pakia effectively. Um. That's kind of where my head's at. Is. The deck seems to work as is. I don't think you need to muck with that too much. You just want to find the last, like last final piece of the puzzle. I hear you. Also, I'm really curious if DUN spars ends up in world's lists or not. The X factor of archias. Now that is going to if I do decide to play Archias for worlds again, not off the table for me at this point. Um, that's gonna keep me up the night before the tournament. Do I include Dun spars? Do I include man of fee? I think at this point both of those are under consideration. Right in the Um matchups that you might want Manafee, I think most predominantly would be the PALKIA matchup, Um, and almost exclusively would be the polkey matchup. m. You don't really want to go that wide with your bench, so playing down a man of fee would be just detrimental because you're gonna want to go in with two archaeas. Um, you have that man ifee down like like we thought, and then the sable, you know, or maybe two sable right, preferably just the one. But the point being, you don't want to scale your bench out that much, if at all. So you know, maybe manafee is not even worth it, because if your opponent is going to come up and, you know, swing at an archaeas and a sable and waste their v Star power, I mean that seems like a fairly decent trade, considering you could just Charan's care the damaged archaeas and then play down another sable. So you know, there's that. It's like, well, Ersh Fu is not really a thing in this Meta. So No, Mana fee. But then by the same tokens is not really a thing. So why Dune spars? Right,...

...there's no real reason to keep it in stone. Journal just lose that match up anyway. So you know, man, what a crazy thing to see if like just fighting decks take over. I mean there's certainly Hasueian decide Y, right, you can play that in your arguments. Tech Um, there's Clever v Star play that. You know, Lucario v Star is like kind of cool. I like Lucario a lot, so wouldn't it just be interesting if there were a lot of these fighting cards that were kind of in the shadows last format. That takes center stage now that people are cutting these texts. That's what I'm saying. Man, those texts, those final texts, are going to be very interesting for arks. I think it seems to me, though, that, yeah, people will cut both. Certainly one right, you probably won't want both, but no way you're playing both. I don't. I I honestly just don't see a reason, given the format as it currently stands. Meta manipulation as a currently stands like there's there's no fighting. WHO's about to roll up to a tart with the fighting deck? Yeah, I feel youth got me, Bro. Anything else that jumps out at you? For Archie's to tell you it's it's gonna be a major presence. Yeah, just be prepared for it. Um, I would expect to see you know, if we're playing eight rounds in day one of worlds, I would expect to see it at least once, if not more, at least once. Yeah, at least I agree. Cool. Well, I think we've hit our our main pillars for this week. If there are decks that you want us to be talking about or matchups that you want us to test. Be sure to hit us up on social media. We had the biggest presence on twitter, where you can find the podcast at tag team Pokemon, myself as smiles, with riles and J W at Real John Walter. Feel free to shoot us over a tweet or a D M with the kinds of decks that you think have potential for the world championship so we can talk about them on a future episode. We also would really appreciate it if you leave a rate and review on the PODCAST. You can just do that by going your beer podcasting platform and given a rating that you think is appropriate and maybe leave some reasons why. It gives us feedback about what we should be doing to make ourselves better going forward. Um Or let's US know that we're doing things right and should continue doing it. We also have started. I was gonna hit on it. I think. I think we're the thumbs up. We also have started the process of getting our merch ordered and ready to go. So expect more information in the coming days about how you can put in an official order to get the TAG team merch. If you haven't seen it already, check it out on twitter. Just on the TAG team profile. We have put up that pre order interest form. Reminder, that is not an order form. So you are not reserved a piece of the merchandise by filling out that form. So be sure to come back and check out the details for ordering a piece. Yeah, and we're making and we're making them in specific sizes. So as soon as that size goes, that's gonna be it for you know, for the first run. You know if there is a second run in the future, you know there there, there's potential for that, certainly, but it's not not a guarantee by any means. So making a hundred, making very specific sizing and once they're gone, they're gone. So if you want to get in and on Merch look out for the next few days here, probably honestly the weekend, at some point, Um, for me to make an official order form. Um, but you should be seen here at least in the next week some way to order your shirt.

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