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Season 4, Episode 51 · 4 months ago

4-51. The World Champ Diff

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are BACK!! We are joined today by very special guest Ondřej Škubal as he walks us through his experience on the way to becoming a world champion. Learn a bit about Ondřej as a person and a lot about the recent history of the Pokemon Trading Card Game.

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...honestly. That's fair. How does it feel to be the world champion? Man, has it set in? No, not yet yet. It's unreal. I'm still waiting for the moment to set it. What do you when you see yourself on the screen next year where they're showing all the champions? Yeah, I was gonna ask, like, what do you think? What would be the break point for you? Or it's like Oh, of course, like I have the world champion. I have no idea, like, I think it's probably too late for me to realize. It's a forgotten moment in history. At this point. It's all a blur. That's awesome. Well, congratulations on your excellent finish the world championship really dominating fashion with the Pikachu the barrel deck. It was not a deck I feel like a lot of people are hyping up into the world championship. Do you want to talk a little bit about how you arrived at Pikachi R QSP Barrow? It was a long, long journey because, like, I didn't play an a I C and I needed to like play the next that were good at an I see. So I started artis in Te lown and played like six weeks with it basically, and came to a realization that it didn't have a good parky I matchup. So, yeah, then I went with Parkia. Played a lot of games with that and I didn't feel comfortable in Mirror, so I tried to basically find something else, and basically the main point for me was finding a good deg that has like a good chance against Parkia going second, and that probably, when you think about that, then the best choices probably parts to speak at you. Yeah, so that's the way we came across the stake. I think that makes a ton of sense. Um, talk a little bit about the DECIDU. I as well. So you know when we saw a zul at any I see obviously crow bat was the primary partner. What inspired you to pivot to that historian Decidu I as the secondary attacker? Yeah, I thought that our serious intellent would be really popular even at worlds. And when I played intellent myself for the couple of weeks, I always like beat speak like that was not the real way they can beat me. So I needed to find a way and I think. I think that situate the two two line with four boss and one little million beats, even like dance persons or dints, very nice. Yeah, definitely. It was kind of funny because actually Riley and I and a few of our friends also played archias Pikachu Hissuian decidually. I think maybe like three cards different. We didn't have the Lumini and we didn't have the fourth boss, which I think...

...would be cards that we would definitely consider including were we to play the deck in the future. But it's just kind of funny. Yeah, we felt the same way against the archaeus Italian where when we were trying a Zul's list, you know, when he had the Charon's cares, we weren't really able to overcome their healing with our healing, and so we scrapped the chair INS pretty quickly. And then, yeah, I even think that, uh, it's correct to play too intellne so like there's no way to chat, and just do chat, because helped it anyway. Right, yeah, and it's of course, you're obviously much less likely to have it on a given turn than the Italian deck because they can grab it. I mean, that makes a ton of sense. The PALKIA matchup, of course, being kind of the premier matchup going into the world championship and obviously a matchup that you encountered many times throughout it, at least the top cut. Um Talk a little bit about how many Palkias you face how that matchup ended up playing out. I didn't face any in the top actually, Oh, my mistake, I'm mixing up our yeah, I faced new and then Doo mirrors, but in Swiss I faced seven. Oh my God. Yeah, no, no, wonder you were able to make top eight that free. But no, it's not that free. It's you're totally right. I ended up playing kind of similar to you and day won seven Polky is and it was funny because I, you know, not to not to like overtake. But yeah, I was. I was losing some of those Parka matchups and I'm like what's going on here, because they can just go so fast, right, and I think when they think when they played the four v I, P pass, one, Z, Exagon Bell, they have a pretty strong chance when going it's like going first. Yeah, absolutely. So what we're more some strategies that you were using when you're going into the POLKA matchup. Like what were you thinking about heading into that matchup? I think the most important part is not the benching BIDOF in a wrong spot, like when you go second, you can not even like whenever they have Palky on bench, when they go first, you cannot bench because then they can like do nine and you just lose the race. So I think that's the most important part of the matchup. That makes a lot of sense. We arrived at a very similar conclusion. That you do could really get in the way. Um, what ended up being your final record against Pakia, having played seven of them? Uh, Oh, well, I went six, oh two, so that was fiful to one. All of them being very nice. Yeah, I definitely showed the Pakas, who was boss in the world championship. There I actually felt like the Japanese players with Palkia, like I had no idea how to play against me. It was kind of weird. Yeah, no, that's that's really interesting that you say, and I think their builds were a little less aggressive of than kind of the American builds with, like you were saying,...

...the four V I P pass. I was seeing a lot of online tournaments play like the One v I p pass and and a lot of Palkya decks that I played. A lot of the Japanese players were playing three arena and One v I p pass, which really kind of hindered their set up in the beginning. Interesting. Yeah, I think it's always an interesting part of the world championship is you get the different flavors from the different areas of the world who just played the game in slightly different ways. Um, how about those mirrors then? What was your approach to make sure that you were successful in the mirror or did it really just come down to you had a more consistent version of the deck? Oh, yeah, I mean Indie n yeah, but I think it's still really important whoever like use this either trinity charge or Trinity Nova First. Yeah, and it's very important to like, uh, spread the energy correctly, because you're like you cannot have like these. You want pick at right, because then you don't want shot the opposing Pickach, like you need to put free there, yea, and one on the de situation. So that that was important as well, just like having the correct mindset for the mirror. That makes sense. I actually needed to learn the mirror, how it works in the first game in top four against right. It seems like you navigated it plenty well while you're learning there. That's awesome. So diving, sticking a step back maybe into the deck building, what were like the last couple of cards that made it into the list, like what were the things that you were maybe on the fence about or debating and how did they end up making the cut? We played the deck for like last twelve days or so before worlds, and for like ten days I didn't have right hand there, but then I realized that going second against Bukia, you probably needed so that was the like sick, stiff car. And then for Shure, I wasn't sure if I'm going to include a dark beckageo're not like that was a still possibility. That U. If I expected a lot of Commutube the Union Day too, I would just go with like three, darkness and energy, but I didn't like it, so I didn't go with it after all. M H, in the end that makes a ton of sense. It's actually really interesting. Not to Tut our own hors, but we ended up having like a lot of very similar thought processes when we arrived at these decks. So it's cool to see like different groups like reach similar not. No Way. Now we're trying to play as many live cards as possible in those early terms because, like when it like, I think Marty Path, and you would probably agree with this, Marty Path is pretty much as good and you can activate it from the first term. So if it gets to the late game with that deck and you're not able to stick them already with a Marty Path and Roxane's just kind of a win more card. Yeah, sure, so. I it was kind of funny that...

...we also like just did not respect you and it turned out to be, for the most part, the right choice. Now your top eight match with you got a little bit dicey. Can you walk us through what you were thinking in Games two and three with the Krama matics. Yeah, Game Game Two, I was like losing from the get go, like there was something I could have done that the game free when I started to the Dua and Soda Miloetta against me, like what can I do? And I just put the B down and fright, then it worked. I. Yeah, I remember watching that from my hotel room and see you started to Du I and like no, the view is gonna slip through and it's gonna hit the gift. He can choose over and over and it's going to be a disaster. But then when that I think there's a Chrama matic on the turn one of that game. Right, oh my gosh, my heart would have beat right out of my chest in that moment. He had like two Battle v I P pass and Cremin mothering and something, and he needed that. When you reach the point when you were actually like taking multi prize knockouts by attacking with this Diddu I, that's when I knew you were probably gonna win. Even though I started that guy, I even like couldn't think the first prize with this did I, because, like I needed to set up another attacker, so I needed to mountain hunt first. Yeah, but a pretty good attack, you know, honestly, all things considered, but it's like I gotta Um slow play penalty for like warning for for the mountain hunt, because, like I had no idea what to go for. That's funny. Well, he ended up picking the right cards, clearly, because that match ended up working out. So that's awesome stuff. So we talked about some of your matchups. We've talked about the deck building. You know, a lot of folks listening this cast and they're interested in how they can improve, and I think they would be interested to hear from a world champion, you know, what are some of the steps they can take to maybe improve their deck building or improve their preparation heading into an event? J W and I are are big on the prep side of things. You know, what are some of your thoughts about how players can continue to grow and their skills? Yeah, when we talk about the deck list that I ended up playing, like you can see that I played the four a lot of force because, like we started up with three path to the peak and then three buss that ended up on four of each. So, like I think that was a key to my success, like a big key to my success. But what are we like talking about the general mindset of how to play the game. Like, okay, I always say that like the most important thing is not blame everything on luck, like just like see the missed aches that actually you make in...

...the game and then like don't just like blame everything. Oh yeah, having that kind of like critical approach as opposed to Um, you know, removing all responsibility, so to speak, from yourself. That makes a ton of sense. How long have you been playing the game for, Andrea? It's like eleven years. I checked that started with how to go so sill triumphants, very nice, and that's about. That's about when I started too. So very cool. I just have like really fond memories of hard gold soulsiver. I don't know how many times you've played in that format, but I love the baby flips. Yeah, I those were Nice. Yes, maybe doing a little bit of a throwback moment as now that you're kind of reflecting as the world champion, what is the favorite deck that you've played over the course of those eleven years? The favorite deck I really liked like cool s live deck. That was like that was so degenerate. But my favorite card like ever is probably spiritum from unbroken bones because like it has insane synergy between the like the ability and the attack. So I really like that. That's a really cool card. I agree. The decks that came out of the spirit um or were always awesome. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, it seems like, you know, things are generally going well. I mean, we talked a lot about pokemon. I'd also be curious to kind of get to know you a little bit as a person. You know, what do you do outside of Pokemon? Yeah, so I've been studying for four years of Medicine University is so I'm trying to finish that, along with playing some pokemon as well, like after the covid Um, but like half of the events in Europe was like I had exams and I didn't really have time to play that. So, yeah, I didn't go to an a I C because of that. M Yeah, so I have like three years left of medicine, so hopefully going to finish that. It's a very noble choice of profession. What do you want to are you doing any specialization? Yeah, like this specialization is after the six years of studying, but I want to be like neurologists a psychiatrist, something along those lissing with the brain. Yeah, yeah, I've always been interested in like white people do things that they do, like for what reason? It's cool, it's really cool. I was, I almost became like a neuropsychology major, but did biomedical engineering against that. So I can still relate though kind of stuff that you're doing. I instead work with the medical records now. Yeah, so, Dre,...

...what about this world championship win, like how do you how does it kind of impact, or how has it impacted your life? Like do you walk around now with more swagger? Is this something that you bring up that parties Um? Is there anything that like changes about your situation, like with the money? Are you able to pay Um for certain things that you weren't able to before? Like just walk me through kind of what has affected your life now that you're the world champ. Yeah, I'm not really saying it myself that I'm a world champion, but my friends then to do it. So like I'm a weird situation. Like yeah, because, like people that don't know booking want to play booking on like there's something in God, the Games booking. I guess, like does the World Championship. People play that, like, yeah, that's kind of weird. We all used to it, I guess. Yeah, and about the money situation and like yeah, like it's a lot of money. And Yeah, I guess. Like, are you planning? Do you have any plans? Like, are you planning on taking a trip or are you gonna put it back into Pokemon? I don't no, I'm just gonna like save money for future, like some apartments in like longer run. That's a very responsible the med school in to save the money maneuver is very, very responsible. It's actually I don't know if it's the same in America, but it's really expensive to buy like apartments and houses here in Czech Republic, and trust me, it is. It's very expensive. Yeah, I wholeheartedly support your life choices. From everything you've described, it seems like you're on a very good path. Thank you. Well, that's all awesome. I I think we're hitting a great point where we can go into a little bit about a card of the day or do you think? Yeah, absolutely so, Andre. This is our weekly segment where we highlight a particular card that maybe is fun or interesting or important. Ah, and we thought it would be fun if you could share a card that you think is particularly cool for this week's card of the day. Yeah, so, as I already talked about the safe guard guards, I really liked the plasmamas arm clink line that had the plasma stealability. Yeah, there, that's really cool. Did you use it in any like major tournaments have big results. I was a senior back then and I uh finished second at the regions because of the card. Thanks excellent. What did you end up losing too? Yeah, I actually ended up losing to like big basics decks. I don't really remember what was in there, but like he had like zero to nothing. I was like it's me, but like I got like double price...

...penalties or something like that. Game losses and stuff like. Oh no, dark era for Clint Clang in the finals. That's pretty rough. That's pretty rough. So okay, any other UH SAFEGUARD POKEMON? You mentioned the Sud you lift the Clink Clang. Have you played any of the others that have been around? Yeah, pink, Pink Nine Tales, the fairy nine tales. Actually had I think it was last world's probably like I got baiting, baited into playing the BEHEM deck with like no way. That was definitely a bait. That's so. That didn't go really well. Did you ever play the Hoopa deck, the attacking Hooper Deck? No, no, no, no, no, no, I didn't. I don't. I remember like what was in the deck. I never played that. It was like maxilixers and media, just just safeguard. That was the only good part. I think. Awesome. What did any other safe of guards? Altariatia, sweet can Decidu A. Yeah, I didn't play any. Same God, like in the last two years. I'm kind of gotten over it. The BM left you with the bad tasted probably play. That's unfortunate, but maybe not unwarranted either. Excellent. Um, so let's just dive right back into it then. Um, overall, like, how was your experience at this world championships? I thought this one was like a really awesomely run worlds, like it was a expectacle, very cool. How how do you think this experience compares to other worlds that you've attended in your eleven years of playing? Yeah, I went to three worlds before London and like, uh, for us Europeans, I think it was like, in general, a different experience to have like something in London like nearby. So like, uh, yeah, just a different experience, like flying somewhere for like ten hours, eight hours, and then queuing outside of the Washington Washington playing area. But I like the worlds, like the organization was like awesome. Absolutely. How did it feel to be up on that big stage with the whole crowd around you? Yeah, that was massive. Yeah, the stage in general was like great. It looked like a cinema right, like with the with the seeds there. Yeah, my first worlds was San Francisco and and like they can,...

...but then they play. Ever since, like San Francisco improved so much, like it's insane. That's awesome. Did you feel like extra pressure while you were on stage? Not at all. Yeah, I was like nervous really before going on the stage, but when I'm on the stage I feel like I'll play like if it was any other match. That's you all the way until the finals. Yeah, were you able to do some oh, go ahead, yeah, I was like dying before the finals, like waiting for four hours, but then it was all right. Were you able to get some testing in the night before finals? I didn't, I didn't t. We just went down drinking. I mean I was already celebrating the finals, like I needed to do that. Gotcha. That's amazing. So how many do you think you had before, you know, the night before? Yeah, I didn't had that much. Like we had. We ended up like one am, so it was okay, that's very reasonable. Yeah, that's that's so cool. Coolest World Championship award definitely goes to did you feel any repercussions of that, like the next morning? No good, that's so cool. Do you ever plan to like go back and Rewatch your games from the top cut and give it that? They're all? I've already rewatched the Games, like trying to figure out if I miss played somewhere or something like that, but I never rewatched my interviews because, like, I really creach. Well, I think you're doing a pretty good job at this one, at least. You know what. Did you find spot any misplays while you were there that there are like questionable place? It's like, I don't know if it watched my games. But then, like against dichy game too, I like bench lay the game out sales, with capture and energy, just like the thin my hand. But like what if like left space of went grow, but like grow all more and I'm not sure what's like correct. Yeah, it's like small, small difference, I think. Yeah, it's kind of like micro decisions that add up in the game. Makes Sense. They're it's hard to always judge. To you like thinning versus leaving out. Yeah, gets tough to way at a certain point, for sure. So at this point, though, the world championships is behind us, but there's also more events to come that are still in this format. Yeah, that's that's kind of weird. It is definitely weird. What are your thoughts about like, while we're still in this format, should people still play Arks Pikachu? Decide? Why should they pivot to new strategies? You know, we got Baltimore. I think this deck is actually it's actually fine going forward, but...

I really like the art swos are good on deck. That like got top sixteen, but I don't know. I think it has a good matchup against art two this so we will see about that. And I actually got really surprised that regigas got like seven teens and I also had another player and also had another player on the top thirty two. Yeah, but I didn't see the deck list. I don't think they they showed the list. Hmm, do you think Reggie is a good potential play? Is that what you're saying? Yeah, I like the four choice belt. was like when, whenever I was testing Regigos, I didn't even like consistently beat Balkia. So four choice bell definitely helps with that. Yeah, four choice belt and then the stadiums, the pokers stops. Yeah, is there anything that you would change? If if Archie's Pikachu is still like a pretty solid deck, is there anything you would change from your world's winning list to adjust for the upcoming Meta? Yeah, I mean Dune Spurs might be all right, but I'm not sure. Yeah, it's kind of interesting right, like it's the same price. Trade would work? I'm not sure. Yeah, I played a an Archaeus Pikachu Bi Barel deck with a Dune sparse and it was kind of that same idea that you were talking about earlier with the archaeus Italian, where I just early was able to boss it up and then it made it really awkward because I was able to go through an Arcius and then a flying Pikachu and that was the end of the game, right. And with that deck, with that deck, he wasn't playing to my knowledge, an ordinary rod or. I didn't see it come into play, you know, in a reasonable amount of time, so he wasn't able to get it back and I think maybe if he was able to get it back, then it would be harder to exchange. But it's the same, same, it's not an Italian deck, right, so like playing like so yeah, yeah, definitely. That's kind of the fate of the B barrel decks. You just want to Max out your accounts of every card so you can draw them off the big girl. Yeah, but there, there, the one rayhound is strong. It's great, right, because you have the like starbirth ability turned to so absolutely. Yeah, starbirth amazing ability, I gotta say. Search for two cards for whatever reason. For whatever reason, that ability is good. I don't know. They don't understand. The same with star Portale. It's just like, I don't get it. Yeah, is there any cards you're looking forward to from the upcoming set? Lost origins? Well, I mean to be fair, I didn't even check the next like the way that was I don't does something get at the en? But that's well. When are you going...

...to touch cards again? I know we were talking before the cast that you haven't played a game of pokemon since like Bilbo in Europe is what like fourteen days. In fourteen days, so like after one week. Yeah, yeah, just one more week chilling in the and then back on the grind. Yeah, I think you've earned it, to be fair. So thank you. Yeah, you can spike. You can spike deal now without even think about it. Probably. Yea, that's awesome. Is there any other like new things that you would recommend people try for events like Bill Boo in Baltimore in the coming weeks? Mm Hm, any decks on your mind at the moment? Just like try different stage once in our two so I think. I think, like making any artills deck is pretty like funny fun and yeah, that that might be something that hasn't been discovered yet. Oh, sounds like he has something obvious sleep. I just heard some like crazy ideas, but that's it. That's awesome. Yeah, looking forward to to seeing you perform at bilbow with whatever crazy archias stage one concoction you bring at that point. Be a Pikachu or I might play Reggie just for fun. I mean you're you already have an invite for the next world so this whole season is just playing for fun and it's even like specially event for us, not like Baltimore regions. So like whatever. What are your thoughts about the upcoming worlds being in Japan? Is that something exciting to you? Yeah, sure, I mean I already have like paid travel award for being the world champions. So like, yeah, that's go. So I guess I've never that's is there anything I feel excited to do while you're there? MM Hmmmmm. I mean, I met friends with the top for Japanese guy, so they already like told me that I might go to the restaurant with them. So like I'm looking, wow, that's really cool. It would be a ton of fun. Yeah, I love that. The world's in Japan. Got The paid trip, got the Japanese contacts already and larger and charge over here. I need to make the day too, like so I need to play the whole season. Let. Yeah, that's true. That's true. You gotta, you gotta put some prep work in. You gotta. And I've never been to Australia, so I actually wanted to go to like whatever Sydney and or Melbourne the internationals will be in. Yeah, right, you've you've been...

...right Australia? No, okay, you've only been to Latin America. I've been to Latin America and U I see and any I see, obviously, but not play those three as well. But never, never, Australia. It really far, it's really expensive and far. Hey, you got it. You got a little bit of money line around. Yeah, well, that's super exciting. Yeah, I'm sure many people will be watching your upcoming season with bated breath to see how the world champion takes down another season of POKEMON. There any other recommendations you would give to folks listening to the cast as they move forward? Here preached. That's facts, especially, you know, come post rotation barrels, the guy, you know, like what else? Like last question about the future. What are your thoughts about the upcoming mechanic, I guess, of the E X pokemon coming back? Yeah, it looks promising. I think they when when they when they made this announcement, I was like backstage, were diuating for the ceremonial final and I think they announced like something about like mechanic of cars that can get you back into the game, like something like come back right. So I'm excited about that as well. I wonder what they will cook up. If you could pick like any card or mechanic to reintroduce into the game, what would you choose? Mm Hm, M hmm. I mean I always liked like one prizer decks and there's like no single one price etteck that you can play. Now it's like yeah, we can. I would like be happy with just like having one price of text back. Do you think there's like an obvious fix? Do you think it's just like the one prizes aren't good enough right now, or is like the cars around them aren't good enough? I mean, when the one prices were good, the two prizes had like one HP and now the two prices had two. It's not not ideal and more HP COM I'm sure. Yeah, yeah, I think that's that's pretty valid. Um, maybe a card like and, for example, could help. Also, I'm not sure if I liked and you don't like. UH, like it's a good comeback card, but I'm not sure if I liked it back then, maybe my point of view would change now. But yeah, I didn't like it back then that much. Yeah, I kind of agree with you.

Kind of you too, but I know end's been it gets a lot of praise on the online sphere, so be remiss not to mention it. In terms of comeback cards, what is like your ideal version of a comeback card that look? Yeah, I'm thinking about it right now and I'm not sure what would be ideal for the game. Like make a mix right, m M. maybe it's perfect. Maybe maybe rocks hand. Yeah, it is a perfect comic card they gave. Is it a perfect spots never change. Yeah, I'm trying to figure out something about like. No idea, right. That's it's a pretty open ended questions. Yeah, I don't expect you to have the solution to the BOOKEMON training card game off the top of your head. That's something for the game designers to find out and for us to abuse. Yeah, well, that's all awesome stuff here as we start to wrap up today. What any final thoughts you want to give to our listeners? Lavy barrel, and just try to enjoy the game. I actually think that the game is like, you know, okay state now. It used to be worse. Like I just enjoy what we have. That's fair. Any plugs or shoutouts you want to give as we hit the end of the cast here today and shout out to my European friends and my CCG team and Middless, love postling and fun man, and thank you, guys. Excellent. Well, there it is. Well. Thank you so much, Andre for joining us here today. It's really great to have you on the page. It's a pleasure having you. Hopefully it's not too late over there as we're recording it. You can still get hopefully arrestful night to sleep for tomorrow. We loved having you. It was a great conversation and we're looking forward to seeing you go forward here. Be Sure to say hi if you're at an event. Sure, and with that that'll be it for today and we will catch you all next time. Peace. See You.

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