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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 1, Episode 5 · 2 years ago

4. JW's Egg Basket

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

All right, what is that for everybody? Welcome back to tag team JW, and I've loved the intro last time because we forgot to record audio. But we're back, and so I am, Riley joined by my good friend JW Curry. Wall JW, how you doing today? Hey, I'm doing pretty good. Riley, how are you? I'm doing fine. I've been pretty busy at work getting ready for another trip out to California. So enjoy the wonderful backdrop for the viewers on the video while it's here, because I'll probably be back in a crappy hotel next week. Yeah, I will make sure we get better, you know, layouts for me when I have both. I actually I was watching. I thought you did a pretty good job for ely. Well, yeah, twenty minutes of prep that you had. Yeah, there you go. It was kind of a last second, last second effort. Yeah, well, JW. How have you been though this past week? I'm a pretty good I mean, things are just chugging along as as normal and just practicing a lot. Have some gigs that I was doing and just live in the dream. Yeah, that does sound pretty awesome. So are you on track to actually finally get a gig going? Are you stuck at limbo forever out here? Well, I have an audition coming up in December, so that's in St Paul, Minnesota, and so I'll be flying out there, you know, in about a month, and we'll see how it goes. Yeah, well, twin CD's. I feel like that's a pretty cool place to be, so hope that works out for you. On the Tsial side, though, you did actually win a pokemon regional. I think it was this past weekend Richmond, Virginia. Was it? Were you there was that? Was that this weekend? I mean, like, I distinctly remember watching it on my computer, but that might have I mean that might have been an old video like popped up or something. No, no, yeah, I think you're right. I think this was this last weekend. But yeah, you know, I did win that regional and I guess I'm just trying to stay humble about it. Yeah, you know. Yeah, I feel that, man, I feel that you can't come on too strong with these kind of things. Otherwise, right, but all right, man, like whatever, dude, it'd be a little pompous of me to just come on here and just say hey, I want a regional. So yeah, just keep it on a dl, I guess, and you know, we'll just let let the results speak for themselves, right, I mean for you, they haven't spoken for themselves in so long. So it's been since two thousand and thirteen. You never, never really know when your next big win is going to come, and it is. It is been very exciting and a little bit heartbreaking to see your friends succeed over and over and you know, different friends do well in different tournaments and has been great for them and I'm very happy for them. And wouldn't you know, change the thing. But then you always kind of wonder like wow, when is my shot going to come? And it came last weekend. Yeah, and I mean it was in a pretty dominant fashion to plus, you looked good the whole way doing it. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. I had fresh. I have my special shirt on for day two. Yeah, what's your special shirt? It's it's I called my Florida shirt and it has like mixed drinks, like a little like hula girls. What is that to do with Florida? I just feel like it's a Florida shirt because it's kind of a little bit baggy. It just feels like somebody, something somebody would wear to the beach in Florida specifically important. But well, because people are crazy down there and they don't really care about what they wear or like fashion norms or anything like that. Right, right, that's all about comfort and you know, it's kind of something that like an old man would wear because he doesn't really care about how it looks. And you definitely got some boomer vibes going tow well, that is the joke, isn't it? Yeah, but it sounds like we're talking earlier. You're trying to kind of reverse that boomer vibe. By you said you're growing a man but yeah, I'm growing a man Bun, that's right. So that's my big goal for the next month. I'm going to see where it goes in the next month.

I'm almost to a ponytail level, but it looks like a sumo wrestler because it's not long enough to lay flat. So we're just going to keep going for it. It's about time. My wife keeps telling me it's about time. I need to like trim the sides here, so we'll probably do that, hopefully this weekend, and you know, it's getting it's getting pretty you know, it's getting pretty long. You know, comes down like over my eyes in the front. You wouldn't know because I have some nice product in it right now, but I out. You know, soon enough we'll be able to get that man Bun Rock and then my outfit and my appearance will be complete. Well, don't give any free advertising to that product on stream as far as name dropping goes, but have you reached out to them as far as like maybe doing some kind of sponsors of thing? Oh, that would be a good idea. Yeah, I think we could maybe get some kind of brand rep going something to think about. Well, I was super excited actually to see you win and take over the championship regual champion, JW Cree Wall. Super Exciting. I mean the last one barely counts if you think about it. So well, the funny thing about the laughern is is it was the first tournament of this day to style system where they play extra rounds and day two. I think that's something that has kind of gotten lost, but that was the first tournament where they didn't just cut to a top thirty two bracket and play single a limb. They actually went into a day two of Swiss. It was kind of a little bit of a debacle because in day two people got paired against people they had already gotten paired against in day two. So there was some big problems with that because there was one, you know, person who had a really bad matchup against this other deck and they got paired against them twice in the second day. And how do they vest that up? It was just the program was so new. They had never done it before. So it didn't account for because I think it just paired people with the same records, but then things happened where if they didn't have the same records, then they would be paired together again or something like that. I don't know, something really bizarre. And there was one problem. We're like the highest seed played the lowest seed or something like the person with the most point, like the person with the leaf. It was. It was really lacky. Well, I'm glad I got that sorted out for sure. Yeah, yeah, so let's just get right into it. then. You had an awesome run at this regional I mean you lost what one series the entire event. It was one series and it was in day one. Yeah, yeah, eight and one and day one and then basically one out until you started tying and day two. Pretty impressive run. That basically just a little bit of a NERF on my run, if you think so. Run me through what that was like. Run me through the things that you saw. You don't have to go around by around, but was like the theme of the things that are out there? What were the big decks? What were things that you were hitting often and things that you saw around you? Run me through your days. Let's start with day one. Sure, so I played against a couple buzz garb in day one and that matchup was probably the freeest matchup that I had over the course of the two days, just because, I mean twofold you. You know, their garbs don't do anything because you only play five items. So you literally cannot play into garbodor like but you can get, you can try and fail, you get. You could get your computer search and computer search you know to poke a gears on turn one and it literally couldn't matter less. But actually the best attack on garbodor is it's happen, it's right exactly. So if they're able to asthle spray enough times and ass this spray is actually a two hit Ko on the Garboor so what I saw from a lot of people. And actually Alex Stromansky played it very well in our series. He was the closest person. I played it twice. He played it extremely well. But what he would do is go in with an early let loose and then just try to build up an acid spray on the bench. And the matchup was...

...particularly difficult if they played two psychics, because then that way they could attach to basic energies that you couldn't Faba and then be able to attack with the third special energy. So even even if you found their way, even if you FIB at every single turn, they could attach, you know, another rainbow or a beast energy and just keep continuing to, you know, to shot your vioplumes. But if the let loose didn't stick, like let loose actually wasn't a problem for me throughout the tournament, and I think that just goes to show that with good deck building, I really don't see Mar Shadow as a major problem. I just felt like throughout the course of the tournament, any time my opponent tried to let loose me against my deck, I always had a way to draw out of it. It may not have been the optimal way to draw out of it, but I always had something to do. I always had a bridget or fan club or Steven's revolved. There's just some way for me to get out of it. I think that is a very big strength of the deck, where a lot loose plant doesn't affect you all and is useless. Yeah, exactly, exactly. So I really feel like that was that was a very big strength, just generally speaking, of the deck. So Buzz Garb was a very free matchup for me. Again, I did get very close to losing, I think. I think I may have lost a game to Alex in day one. I can't remember, but you know, he played it very, very well. I played another buzz garb that that just played a little bit more special energies and maybe didn't know the match up light as well. So then matchup, I'm curious, did you where you finding yourself typically going for basic lock plume, or were you find just item locking and attacking with Roulett? Sure, so in that matchup I would go in with item lock because it kind of it just slowed their deck to a crawl. If they have access to items, then they can get you know, they just see more of their deck right, and so I usually would start with item lock unless I prized to gloom. If I prize to gloom or two outish, than I would just get the basic but normally I just go for the item lock, slow the game down to my pace and then slowly build up the burning shadows and that kind of gave me a little bit more time to be able to find Goozma, which is actually the biggest thing. I feel like. You get the item lock plume up and then all you're really searching for his energies and Goozma's to take out their biggest threat on the bench. So that's kind of how I approach that matchup. Not necessarily that you need the item lock mileplume, but then it just gives you more time. It is a more of a wind more card in that matchup, but I felt like it just controls the game so much that you might as well have it since you have all the you know, resources to do it. They they're not really threatening your rowig on the first turn unless they maybe get beast energy onto a buzzwile fair Mosa. That's probably the scariest thing. Beast Energy, buzzle Fair Moosa, and then I'll let loose. That's probably the scariest thing that that can do. But even then, if you draw Faba and you're able to get rid of that beast energy, then they're only hitting you for thirty and it's pretty manageable from there. Yeah, so buzz garb that was a deck that I played twice. I played a night March from Alex Garcia. This matchup can be a little bit tricky. He did play the target whistle, but I fear that he didn't know to try to use it against me, and so there was one game, I think it might have been game to, where he'd kind of resigned himself to just losing the matchup and he had battle compressor away his target whistle like on turn one or something like that, and that I just kind of left me open to basically do whatever I wanted. Target Whistle isn't a huge issue because you can counterplay the target whistle with your own brock scrip it, but in your own acy, I guess, like if they target whistle a row egg and they can't one shot it, then you can just a see it, but it's still an out and I don't I don't know that he played to that out in our game. So that was a fairly simple...

...matchup. I played against Zoro control twice over the two days. Day One I played Caleb Goodemmo and round two, and I feel that the zoo control matchup it's certainly winnable, if not favored for raw egg just because you can really hit them with the power plants and if you can get the power plant early, and especially if you get the power plant early and have a backup power plant to bump their silent lab then I find that the games just grind to a halt for them and they have a hard time keeping pace. So I beat Caleb pretty convincingly two games and round two. Round three I was streamed against Peak Ram, which was a pretty tough matchup. I was a little bit concerned about it because the prizing for me, is a big issue. If I prize one burning shadows, vile plume, the game can get really out of hand very quickly because they can always Kuzma around your you know you're burning shadows viol plum and then tag bolted on the bench right. So that's always announce you want to make sure that you have your burning shadows both in the deck but one of the cards that saved me in that matchup was shuckle and shot us to chuckle gx, who save me, and game to shout us to chat. Apparently, who caught that schuckle was not supposed to get knocked out from his peak. Rob's first attack, which I'm blanking on now, full, but it full Blit, so it only had two energy attached and he had the stadium out, so he technically could attack, but it just didn't, you know, do any damage to my shuckle because he only had to energy attached. So we thought it was a knockout. Obviously it wasn't and since it wasn't a knockout, it actually just gave me that one extra turn that I needed to be able to retreat into a RAWIG and evolve up into my guys. So that was a very, very tense match. I think I lose if he gets the turn one knocked out and I think he was telling me later that he actually had like an energy switch in hand that he just didn't play. He didn't think he needed to play it, so we didn't play it. That matchup goes a lot differently if he if he does get that turn one knocked out. So you both forgot what schuckle did. Well, it just kind of it was a kind of thing, and I said this on my stream commentary afterwards. It's just a kind of thing where in your brain you kind of simplify information by by bringing together just effects that you know, like you know that thunder, like you just basically know, like Oh, thunder mountain counts as another energy, and so then I can use my attack and so I have three energy but that's not exactly how the cards work, but your brain is just going to combine those actions and combine those effects just so that it makes it easier free to know what's going on. So I don't it's just our brains are weird and I feel like people will say, Oh, how could you not know what that card did, or how could you be so stupid like to let that happen? But I really think that there's something deeper going on than just us not paying attention. I think it's just really that we had amalgamated information and kind of made us. Our brain helped us to make that assumption right, because if our brains have to calculate every little thing that happens, then it's going to take us forever to do any task at right sort brain has to like kind of combined things so that it makes it faster for us to do everything right. So if we have to think about how to breathe, then we will never get any work done right. So it's just that kind of thing that happened on stream and, you know, unfortunately we had a miss play, but it's just the kind of thing that happens and I certainly see that you know that these things are can happen to me right. You never think they can happen to you and then they do and it's a big thing. So that's a lot of words to say. You don't play shuckle a lot. Well, fair enough. In my round for I played against a dark rye. He didn't have stealthy hood, so that was a very, very...

...free matchup for me. And then I also played another free matchup in spirit toomb and that was in round eight. I played against no well, but he didn't play any evolution her. So I I kind of I still played it very conservatively where I would start by going with the item lock vioplum and then, you know, and then getting out the burning shadows. But I think in reality, all I needed to do in that matchup was go for the burning. Excuse me, the burning shadows vioplum, but it again. It's just a lot of these matchups were so free that you might as well play it conservatively, hmm, and then see what happens. And then in round seven was my only loss on day one. So I started out six. Oh, I was feeling really good about everything, but I was kind of noticing as the rounds got going, like, oh, there's this guardian that's doing really well. I really hope I dodge that because the dark box, I had only heard, played a one weevil and I was like, okay, maybe I can. You know I can knock that out with the gx attack on the RALLID executour. But the GUARDI has two a romatists and that can be really tough, especially with their healing right. So the dark box doesn't any healing. You just one shot that thing one time and you're good to go. But the aromatist you have the two shot it, generally speaking, because they don't really give you enough time to get up a Ralett alone and executor. The power plants don't really do anything to that deck, so you don't really slow them down. Their whole deck is built to be able to handle sine lab and power plant, so I was really scared of that. I ended up playing it in and around seven I think he just drew fine and like I don't remember drawing badly or well Um, and I think the matchup played out as you would expect, where he was able to heal and you know, maybe I we obviously don't have that game recorded, but maybe there were different lines of play that I could have done. I think I did learn a lot from that game and when I came back to play it on stream and again in the top four, I did learn a lot and I played the matchup, I think, differently, but I'm not sure that there was anything I necessarily could have done that round to avoid a loss. He, you know, played very well in that in that round seven and then round nine I played against dark box, so this was the guy I played Chris, who got second at the regions. I played him three times. I played it three times and already on too and the Guardian, I did played three times. That's true. I don't know if that has I can't recall if that's ever happened where people have played the same person three times. That seems absurd and for me to do it twice is just even more. Three times. It's definitely happened. I don't know if it's ever happened toys. It was crazy. It was so wild. And so I played Chris and I was like hey, Bro, you want to Id like our last round. I'm like, I probably don't have a good matchup against you, so I'm just going to offer the ID. He's like Nota Bro, I'm going for the cloud, like I want to go no day one, and like fair enough. If if I was in your position, I probably would too. So we play that game and I don't really remember too much about the game, but I just remember that the plants stuck the whole time against him and wasn't really able to get in with it, though. Yeah, I could get up the I could get up the item lock vioplume, and then his deck just kind of died on him after I had the plant down. And so one thing that I didn't know until the finals was that the only played two stadiums, and so if I had known that throughout the day, I think like I maybe would have been more aggressive and trying to search out plants, but it just so happened that, yeah, that I beat him in I think all of our games went to three games. I can't quite remember, but I ended up beating him around nine. So I went to eight one and had the best resistance as I was first seed heading into day two. Day Two as really funny. I was like, oh, Bro, we're going for the salty run back, because immediately I play Chris again in the first round to day too and end up beating...

...him again. I go right back to a salty run back with drew eleven and it was. That was pretty funny because he won very convincingly against me for in that round seven matchup and we were heading over to the stream. They're like hey, we're going to stream you guys, and and I told them heading up, I said this just feels like a lamb heading for the slaughter, like I thought I was gonna get bodied so hard. But you saw in that stream game that was probably one of my most just I'm be was recorded because for me it felt like a game that I really did the right plays every time and and work to find out my route to victory, and so I want to do a breakdown of that video sometime for my channel just to kind of go over what I was thinking and kind of the decisions that I made in that matchup, because it did really feel like I had learned a lot and I tried to use a different strategy and it ended up working out for me. I do feel like in in the the stream game, drew went too quickly through his deck. I think he could have been a little bit more patient than he was. There was one turn where he, like used to, he used a sycamore or a juniper instead of using a Gouzma, and I think there were other times where he may be discarded healing when he otherwise didn't need to. And so I wonder if that matchup is, you know, it felt it felt that kind of even after actually playing at three times. But I wonder if it's significantly favored for Romatis, if he maybe plays just in a little bit different way, maybe a little bit more conservatively. I guess it would be the way I would think to approach the matchup, but I mean he certainly has time to yeah, he certainly has time too, for sure, but you saw it there like he was using junipers very liberally and ended up decking himself out just because he couldn't one or two shot my my vile plums. So right, that was pretty that was pretty interesting and gave me a little bit more confidence when I faced him again in round what, seventh, team or sixteen in top four, and then I played pram a lot. In round twelve, he was playing Zoro control. I offered him the idea. This point I was I had thirty points or thirty three points or something. I forget what I was at. I was at thirty good, thirty. Yeah, so I was at thirty points. I offered the amount of the ID because at thirty one I'm just automatically in and I don't have to worry about getting downpaired or, you know, anything weird happening. I mean I just wanted to secure it and he's like now you know, we have to play, because at this point it was kind of funny our point spread. He was the highest player that saw you. Yeah, right, and so he had like twenty seven of that point. Yeah, twenty six. He had twenty six four and we were just joking about it. He is like yeah, man, like you're sucking up all these points and I'm like, you know, I what can I do? And so so that was pretty funny. We played a good series. I ended up winning a really grinding game one. Again, it came down to getting a power plant to stick and him not having a counter stadium or he didn't play Mar Shadow in his list, the resetting whole Mar Shadow. So he wasn't able to get out of the power plant lock and I just built up a big rallet egg and just went smack, smack, smack, smack, smack. Took all my prizes and that's how that went. And then in game two we just didn't get a chance to finish. I mean that was kind of a plant. That was the plan from both of us, right. So we had this really grinding game one and I think he was thinking, okay, if I can win this, then I just take my time and game too, and that's kind of what I'm thinking, like, if I win this, then I just I'm looking to survive in game two. And so we both played that game one as well as we could and took it as long as we could and ended up working out for me and you know, but it actually worked out for him to because he ended up making top it anyway. So shout up all that rounded work out for him. No, there, round didn't work out for him. But I mean maybe maybe, if he maybe, if he, I don't know, ID's or something, then yeah, you know whatever. But they're not. I made a really bad shout out to Brian Hunter, who I'm...

I'm very sorry about and who will never let me live this down. But I come up to him around fourteen and he's playing trevanant and and I'm thinking to myself, man, I should just scoop to this guy because I want this guy and cut and then I'm like, Bro I'm gonna Scoop to you. He's like yes, like he gets to thirty one points. I think he was at twenty eight, and then I'm like yeah, man, let's just I'll just scoop to you. And then I'm thinking about it and I'm like, if I scooped to him that I probably won't see him until top for at the earliest, because I have so many points. They'll probably be like number one, maybe number two seats. So I probably want him if I give him thirty one points and here another one of the higher seats. Yeah, and he right, exactly. So I'm like, well, if I id you now, and then you ID in your last round, you'll be at thirty. That's the bubble, and then I have a better chance of hitting you in top eight, which I would like to do. So then I rescind the concession and I'm like, Hey, do you want to ID? You know, because at this point it yeah, I feel that's really funny. Luckily, Brian is a GE and he's like, dude, I get it, but I'm never going to let you live this down. So yeah, so he's like, you know what, I'll take the idea because I take excuse me, I'll take the ID because this matchup sucks for me and you know, unfortunately he was ninth, but I don't think he wins that matchup. So I mean I did with a Raleg. Yeah, yeah, I feel really I do feel bad about saying like I'll concede. I did say twice, but I just had to think about it because it would have been a shame to, I don't know, to try to do, to try to have him and cut but then not play him because I didn't, you know, because I just like concede it. I don't know. It was was weird. So for sure. And the last round I did with grant manly. So we were both in cut and then top eight I played a mirror and so the mirror was more teched for, I guess, or so they played the skeptile line right. The skept hole was really, really cool, but it didn't really help him that many games because his deck really clunked up on him after I got the vile plum out. I was kind of surprised that the Item Lock Vileplum Hurd Him as much as he as it did, because I believe that list played. I was told about ten. I'd him so and I would guess that they're they like he had netballs. I know for sure? I don't. I don't really know the other items beyond that, but it really clunked his deck up significantly and I think just in general, like he wasn't able to find supporters. He kind of drew badly. But at the same time my deck just did what it was supposed to do and and yeah, I was able to draw energy out of my deck a lot more easily than he was and so I could get attacking faster and so I just put too much pressure on him and tried to knock out skeptiles and, you know, just tried to do the things target down his energy when I cool and so he played like a lifeforest and that was his kind of his out in the last game or in the first game of that series. But I had a power plan in hand to like counter that lifeforest and I was just kind of all over from there. You would think that the skeptile line helps, but I just found that their deck. I just found that their deck. Yeah, it was just so maybe a little too clunky, without being able to use the items on turn one and and I think that's really all it came down to. He just never really got that good start that you want to see and then he was never able to get energy out of his deck because he couldn't search for things. The one thing I will say in the mirror if they don't play well, he played. He played lay lace as well, so my power plants were good against that. But I also was able to stick him this one crucial turn. I remember in I think game one, where I flipped heads on the...

...gloom and he had a dead hand except for a la Lay. So he could have played the laylay to grab a supporter, but I actually hit heads on gloom so I was able to bench that laylay, you know, and it's like well, you know, now you're stuck with the dead hand and your benches full and as a pretty clutch flip. And then in top four I played against Guardian again and those games were really stressful. I had to do a lot of thinking. The first game kind of you hate to see it. I know you had to see her, but the first game went with the this kind of the same as the stream game went, where I tried to run him out of energy by consistently either gooseming like a tag team on the bench or fobbing the floatstone or like just putting the pressure kind of on the thing that he wasn't expecting or putting up the file plume so he had to retreat. The guard of war do, just doing different things like that to try to run him out of energy. Eventually I got to a point where I was able to use Fabas in the late game because he kept. You kind of have to keep as the guard of Vore player, you kind of have to keep your wonder energy so that the Bernie Shadows viol plum doesn't status lock you. And so he, I mean he he did what he was supposed to do. Right, he kept the the the wonder energy, but in doing so he opened me up to being able to fob a his energy away. And then towards the end of the game he just really didn't have any gas left to use and I was able to kind of muscle my way through that first game. In the second game, I mean, what can you say? He ended up prizing both of his SPRITZ. He's so I knew immediately that I had, that I had won. I mean it really was like I knew that I had won that game when he ultra balls on his first turn and he grabs another guard ofvore and I think immediately like I have this game, because you know, nobody in the right mind would just get another guard ofvore and pass right. So, so he clearly, he clearly prized both sprit season. I played that game with that knowledge. I was very helpful. It's good to do. Yeah, yeah, and he also like missed. He missed, I think, in the early game, which would have helped him knock out my burning shadows vio plume and our, excuse me, knock out my item lock vio plume and give himself a little bit more of a chance. It was just really unfortunate that it came down to those prize and things, but I mean that's you know, that's part of the game and and you know, if if he didn't have a way to deal with it, then you know, I mean maybe the deck could be constructed differently, but it just kind of sucks that it came out down to that. I mean sucks for drew that it came down to that. It was great for me that it came down to that, but he also had some weird prizing in game one where he prized all three additional Guardi Mega Guardi or Guardi Sylvian's. Yeah, and then in the stream match he also had some weird prizes where he prized like an Az and a floatstone or something like that. He was kind of telling me after that maybe if he had those cards it would have been a little bit different. But you know, shout out to drew again for bringing like an awesome deck. I think I was that was like that was probably the deck that that should have made finals, but you know, you can have to get really lucky to win a tournament like this. So you know, I don't be I can't, I can't yeah, somebody has to win, right, so I'm happy. I'm happy I was able to do that. And then in the finals, obviously played against Chris again. Tough matchup. I think there were some questionable plays on my part. I just finally watched the Voda again. I think in game two I like didn't go for a burning shadow or I didn't go for an item lock vile plum, and I'm trying to I'm struggling to figure out why I didn't do that. Those too. And Yeah, and so I am not really sure. I think it might have been like I was looking at my I knew I had a gloom prize, I think, and I had one in hand. So it was like at that point that I was thinking, well, I will only be able to get up to vile plum this game and they probably should both be burning shadows. I think that was what was going through my mind at the time. Maybe not their correct play in hindsight, but I don't think my thinking was that wrong and...

I kind of got caught up in the moment. In that first stream game I don't usually get nervous, but that first stream game I was having a really hard time focusing and having a really hard time zeroing in on what my correct play was. I ended up winning that first game, but just to get centered and focused was difficult for me. So I definitely can see how people would get like stream nerves and how people would make incorrect plays. It definitely almost having to me in that first game, but after I kind of settled down in the locked in, it was a lot better. So last game I had to choose whether to go first or second. Right I had one game one. He had lost Game Game One and he had won game two. So I had to choose. Andrew had been telling me the entire weekend. Ever, been telling me the entire weekend that I should go second in the dark ry matchup and based on my games with Chris, I felt like that was actually incorrect. I didn't know he played only two stadiums, but I kind of felt like the turn one power plant was so strong against his deck that I should probably try to go for it on turn one, even if it means risking getting dead ended Gx, because he never actually was able to attack with a debt turn one dead end, which I thought was interesting, which made me think like his deck was a little bit different from the Turbo darks that I had practiced against and played, and so I chose to go first and I paid off. We have a question here in chat that says, did I know in game one that is we've asle was prized? I thought, I mean I knew it was prized and I figured that that would be the only way I could win. So I played with that in mind. I knew he had a few turns to grab it and he didn't, so I was really curious as to why that was. And then I wasn't. I don't think I was able to get an a Z on the turn that my rally egg had so much damage. So I just let him have it and try to evolve into another burning shadows and then just hope that those two got me there. Luckily he didn't draw the we vial and you know the rest of history there. In three I had some questions about when did I know that my too, burning shadows vile plums were prized, and the answer is that I actually didn't know until I drew them off my prizes, because I mean, totally, what's up? That's like so late do yeah, for sure, for sure it was. It was really funny going back to watch it because I see that the chat is going crazy, though. They're like win for dark box, win for dark box. Of like, oh my gosh, I can't believe this happened, like dark bucks championed, like you know job's deck sucks and you know all these other things in the chat. And but after I let loose him in game three and put the plant down and he passes right he has the ranger with my heart like flutters so hard when her angers for one. I'm like, please, don't be a play both card, please over a playaboll card, and luckily it wasn't. But I knew then, after he just passes, that I that I want. Yeah, I knew that as soon as I got the item lock vileplum up, that I won the game. He didn't get a single energy down, he didn't really get anything in the discard. There was no pressure, zero pressure that he had put on me after that first turn. And so as soon as I figured that out, it didn't ad or that my Bernie Shadows Alplin's surprised. Yeah Right, I would. I would have. I would have won that game regardless, as long as I get you know, that exact set up on that first turn. So I didn't I didn't know. I searched and I was only looking for one thing and that was item lock, my Aleplum. I got it out and made it work. Yeah, the Purple Meani gets there. Purple Meani Yo, shout out to the Purple Meani. So purple. When are you getting that Tattoo? Well, I'm not getting it. If you read the full tweet, it was actually a two part tweet and is for Andrew. So Oh, yeah, so I did read that tweet. But when are you forcing Andrew...

Rather to get that Tattoo? HMM, well, we'll talk to his artist. We'll see. I mean it'll be a little guy, you know. Yeah, I feel like, yeah, like the size of like a finger or something. Yeah, yeah, put it on like just like hide it in one of his other tattoos, like it's just the yeah, let missy as a tattoo of it. Oh, that would be insane, because then that would explain why it's so small too. Right, right, that be hot. Well, awesome. So that's your tournament and review. I'd like to talk about some other things about Richmond as well. So I'd love to look at the decks at a high level of Richmond. Going into Richmond, it didn't seem like you were super sure what you wanted to play. Your confidence in your trademark Guardi deck was definitely shook by the time Richmond came around. And actually called you on that Friday just to just a chat and yeah, you were still super, super in your head, it felt like, about what you wanted to do. So how do you decide to come to ralegs? I mean, I always get super in my head and just for every tournament that I have ever played and I always wonder. For sure, I always wonder about the deck choice and I was wonder about like the last few cards, like I'm always super nervous about that fifty, ninth and sixty card for some reason. I just that's just how I'm wired to just really obsessed over that kind of stuff. And so, yeah, I was really nervous about rallied eggs coming in because I didn't have them any games. We had kind of talked about it. This was a really late deck. Yeah, I think with the group and it kind of came on. Well, go ahead, I was some of the group was on it for a little bit, like I think Andrew was on for a while at that point. Yeah, Andrews on it for a while, but I don't only really come to my attention the week before. So I don't think that I would say I was necessarily hiding anything, because I actually didn't really play that many games with it. Now if you definitely weren't into it either. Yeah, yeah, and I kind of felt like it was. It was crappy against it was a crappy against ORC especially, or I could have been and it would also took like at fifty against Archie's right. So I was literally the phone. Yeah, exactly. I was a little bit nervous that, you know, the field would be have a little bit more archies than what we saw, which was practically nothing. And so, you know, I was a little off the deck just kind of saying, well, its struggles with archeese, it can struggle with Zora control, which I expect a lot of good players to bring and and so I was kind of kind of off that because I felt like the popular deck was going to be blast toys and I felt like the the deck of good players was going to be Zoro control. So I don't think you can knowing that those pieces of information, I don't think you can make a medicall where it struggles against those two decks. So I was really kind of in my head about it. And so how did I make that decision? We had talked about it and and I the week before and we had just written down all the matchups and we had gone down and we had kind of said, you know, night March Autowin, buzz shrine auto win, him on Chan Autowin, and like we were going down and there were just a kind of an unbelievable amount of auto wins where it was just well, if you get out the burning shadows vial plum, you win, or if you lock their items turned to you just kind of win. So, knowing that that, that was kind of where I kept coming back to. I was like, well, okay, we take this kind of suspect matchup to archies, maybe take losses to really good Zorog our players, but it's a winnable matchup if they don't play resetting whole. And so that's kind of where I came back to, where I just had so many auto winds, auto wins and so many dominant matchups that it seemed like the right play. Yeah, I mean clearly it was in the end. Yeah, it's funny that the person who got on the deck last was the one who...

...ended up getting the most payoff for picking it, I guess. So, yeah, really well, it was. It was interesting too, because Andrew was like hey, man, like this deck's good, plea, and I've created it and I don't want my play to be broadcast, so please don't play it on the ladders, basically what he said, and so that's where I do most of my desting. It kind of sucks, but I kept you know, and you know this, Riley, I was texting the group chat the whole week and I was like hey, anyone want to play some games? Hey, guys want to hop on Ptcgo and test with me, and I was in a California. Nobody put me up, and I'm not saying it's you, I'm just saying it was funny, like the timing and of everything, and I was just like any more, you're gonna going to try to play? Yeah, anybody want to try this great deck that I have or, you know, this great deck that Andrew Created? And you know, nobody wanted to do it. So I didn't. Played The deck actually on Peachcg Oh, until like the night before I played it on Friday morning for maybe fifteen games or twenty games. I ended up playing against a bunch of haunch grow and that got me even more nervous because I was like the men is going to be entirely Hattros said the other phote too. It was crazy. There were I played it. It had to have been every other game it was against the haunch grew player and they would always body me because they just they would all always pull off the Combo, they'd always get the Mars. It was like the perfect set up for Hanchkow every single game, and so I was really spooked. But it ended up working out in the end. And I kind of talked about this too, like I tweeted a little bit where I was like, I don't like this deck, but then I kind of like, I feel like I covered my tracks a little bit by saying a little bit later in the week that, you know, the decks that I liked actually turned out to the deck that I really just didn't like, and it kind of felt like the more that I played the format, the more things would change and they would just they would flip on their heads. I would think that arches was good one week and then the next week it just sucked and these kinds of things. But I feel like my preparation was good in the sense that I got a really good overview of the entire format for a long time because I've been testing expanded for a good two months as pretty much my primary format. So I knew kind of the strength of the format. I knew the weaknesses, just generally speaking. It may not have been particularly with rallet eggs, but I think that does go to show that practice you can improve your results. I think that's a really good example of that. Yeah, I mean, getting any amount of games in a format, especially with the amount of quantity that you did, is helpful, no matter what deck you end up playing right, exactly, exactly, awesome. Why I think? I think that's a really good testament to what went down there. So let's talk about some things that we that came out of Richmond. First I'd like to hit on the biggest flop of the weekend. No doubt we both talked about it by now, is our chies, as in the whole, really looking bad, honestly, looking pretty bad this weekend. So what was the deal with that? Why did archies flop so hard? It felt like barely and when played it and anyone who did, I mean they didn't make day too, that's for sure. So yeah, yeah, I really couldn't tell you. I just feel like it was just the collective TCG HIVE mind saying archies maybe just isn't the right choice and just opting for a different deck. I guess I'd kind of been talking about archies for a while, saying like it didn't really gain anything too big, aside from s beyond the Ox's, but I often found that I couldn't get the s beyond the Ox's like turn one. It wasn't that consistent for me, let alone getting, let alone getting the blast choice out turn one. And so I had, I mean, I feel like I talked about on the podcast, just being like I don't think that Archie's gains enough or change is enough to make it viable, when it wasn't really that viable last format. And so I just think everybody had kind of shifted away. There were a lot of people that kind of felt the same way, and so that's why Archie's flopped. Yeah, I'm more and less inclined to agree. I was. I mean, I legitimately thought Archie's is going to be the most...

...popular deck of this tournament and that was actually what turned me off some other decks that I was testing. I let Archie's completely warp my perception of this metagame. But I mean, I personally don't even like Archie's at all. I'll you'll hear me time and time again say I hate arch she's. I'll never play it. It's just a way too much of a cheesy, I guess, strategy. I don't know if she's's the right word, but you know what I mean. Sure like it's very lant on doing this one thing, turn one, which is kind of gimmicky and of itself. Yep, I guess Gimmicky is better than cheesy to describe what our cheese is. It's literally a Gimmick for sure, and I guess the rest of the community kind of caught onto that vibe and, like they all, I'm sure lots and lots of people tested archies and they all kind of came to the same conclusion. So it wasn't a matter of, you know, our she's not necessarily be I guess it. Our she's was popular, but then so many people tried it out and felt that kind of awkwardness that comes along with it that they all switch to something that felt more comfortable. Right, right, exactly. Another, another surprise from the weekend. I think was maybe not a surprise, but the amount of Zora control was really astronomical this weekend. Do you think that is prescriptive of this metagame? Do you think so? We're control will continue to sit at the top, I mean at least for now when we still have surge. I'd kind of maybe not underrated surge, but I knew a lot of good players would be playing at us or control deck, just because you have the options to deal with everything. It's general, generally consistent, and I think that it was the play for the better players because they just were able to grind down opponents and capitalize on misplays. Yeah, I mean it's our control does that pretty much better than any other deck at this point. So exactly, I think it's pretty fair assumption. It's a fit. It's an obviously a favorite deck of you know, you'd be crazy if you didn't think that the gang DDG, whatever you want to call them, testing group wasn't was not going to bring some sort of store control variant. Right. It's just very easy to say not to at this point. Yeah, Yep, for sure, especially now that has all these new tools. So new tools that are going to very quickly be on the way out too, if I might add. I know very interesting. So this is or control in Archie's kind of flip flopped in a way, the way we expected them to appear. What do you think is going to be the outcome of this regional on Portland? So, you know, we have egg grow winning. What's that going to do? Bro Who? Who? Wha? Hold Up, hold them, Humpty Dumpty, winning. There we go. What what's that? What effect is that going to have? Are People going to change their decks to accommodate that or they going to ignore it? As we've seen time and time again, people ignore decks that do well. Do we think that? So we're control will be on the up, on the down. WHAT'S THE STORY FOR PORTLAND? Well, I'll flip that back on you, Riley, to answer and I'll kind of give my impressions after you being, you know, the two sides right, I was in it, I was on the battlefield and you know, you were kind of overlooking everything. So so I would just I would just postulate that question back towards you. What would you think? You know, either counters or deck that maybe arise now that Humpty dumpty is is on top, because it really was a format breaker. We saw two different groups come up with their own lists and and ride this deck to nine day two spots. Nine Day two spots. It was by far the most played deck and day two, which is insane. To thing and the convert to by spots and the conversion rate was unbelievable. Now, because our our group played it and the list that Andrew, Michael Zeale, Brady bottner and I played was for four and we had, you know, Andrew bubbled out of top eight, right, he's not the bubble bear at thirty points he had to and then zeally made it in and I, you know, made it in as well. So just a crazy, crazy conversion right. I there's nothing in my ten years of playing...

...the game that I've ever been a part of that's been as dominant as that deck was for that tournament. And so and then you just see it with the other players, the other testing group that came up with their own take on it. That also was just so oppressive and so powerful that took them very far. Yeah, but okay, so so so. Saying that, Riley, what what do you think will change about them otter game heading into Portland? You know, I wouldn't be surprised that a lot of people don't change their deck at all. I do think more people will play route executor. I think more people will answer it in general, but I think a lot of people will stay stagnant. That's just we seen that time and time again in pokemon right. We saw I mean we saw vile plume do well in team up format and people still didn't pay attention to it. We saw stall do well and multiple formats field don't pay attention to it. We saw a DDG be dominant for multiple expanded regionals with the same exact deck and nobody respected it at all. So I think that's just kind of the the nature of Pokemon and the way dexter built is. People tend to be rigid, I guess you could say, and they'll stay on their current productory, but that doesn't mean it will get on. It on answered completely. I think things like hoods could start appearing. I don't think hood is the best answer, but if you can just get one hood knockout that can completely change the game. I think stuff like the WEA vile and dark was actually genius when I read it at the end of the day on standing. So I'm like what the heck is this? But then once I thought about it more and saw an action, I like well, this is actually this is so good against oral control and it's also pretty good aga his vile plumes. So it's just like, yeah, he just felt like Christopher just said. Christopher kept just fell into this amazing play that's started off by just being a dark box player. No, I mean I don't think he fell into it because, no, no, that's not what that's not what I mean exactly. He had deliberately chose to play weave all for those matchups. But he came into the Wei, I'll just with like a dark box, he kind of background, energy switch. He said I was playing energy switches, but then I you know, I originally was playing more dark boxy variant and so I just threw the we vile back in once I started losing the vial clives and Zaro controls and like that's awesome. Yeah, and it obviously were. I mean his deck was awesome. I really was happy to play Chris and and and drew. I was happy to play you know, both three times over the weekend and they were both really, really great opponents. So, like you said, the WEA vile and dark, very, very good. I think another thing that I would say is like just in general, like a Romatist, feels very strong. I think it has a very bad dark box matchup, but a strong just general matchup. And one of the things that makes a romatist week though, against the egg rolllet deck is that a romatist can't even two shot a vio plum. And so if there's some way for Romatists who too shot the Vioplum, and I'm thinking particularly of muscle band, would be a good card. I could even see a third spritzy being very good, because then that way like ace Rolla and just cycle a little bit better than what drew was able to do, because there were a lot of games where he would get a couple of SPRITZI's down or get, you know, he'd have you know, obviously takes a turn to evolve a Spritzi. So I was able in those turns to Guzma up the spritzy on the bench and take that out and since he didn't play any form of recovery is never, never able to use more than one a romatist, and so I feel like there are some small, minor changes to a romatist is that you can make to make it better for the field. I still think it has a very, very bad dark box matchup specifically because they can just dead end you and then one shot you in the late game with Zoric Gr Ninja. But I think it handles a lot of the field and with very minor changes, I think you take a very, very positive Humpty dumpty matchup. Yeah, I definitely...

...think the Guardi and the we vileand dark are premier ways to just straight up beat the executor deck. Just having viable evolutions, honestly, that you can squeeze into a deck is, I think, enough to push most decks over the edge. At least. You know, Zark is kind of you know, Zark takes more of an even matchet because it's so ability and special energy reliant. I think I will say. I will say that I think the Zorg decks do have a very easy counter to to Humpty dumpy in the marshadow with with we said, I think that that I was talking like with grant a little bit back and forth, and he's like, yeah, I didn't really realize how free the matchup was. Or maybe not free, but I mean he kind of polarizes things. But he said I realized how free the matchup was until I played Zeali and top eight and I just was able to get the Mar shadow down. It's it's a very just preemptive card. So when you try to stick a plant, it will never stick for that turn because they can always march shadow at a way so they always get an extra turn of abilities. And so that could be really strong too in Zorik. If you're thinking about taking that to Portland, I would definitely include I think that is a staple for for Portland if you do decide to place or I mean these or control that can even loop that Mar Shadow. Yeah, and that that sucks really hard. Yeah, that's that. I'm sure you can confirm that is that would be rough. Absolutely. So, yeah, I think resetting hole is also a great addition for Zaroch DEX as a way to overcome that oppressive power plant. So those are some ways to beat executor. As far as decks that will appear in Portland, I think I think kind of like I tested to, ZORC will be on an uptick. All I like to or control a lot. That's been my favorite deck even leading up to Richmond. I I've said time and time again that's my favorite deck. It's probably the one of the most comfortable with, so that's something I'm looking at right now. I WON'T BE SURPRISED IF ARCHIE SEASON UPTICK in Portland as well, a I felt. I find in general that archies is more popular on the West Coast, but be I think, just like our she's just the kind of deck that comes back no matter what in aboutter, how any times it flops, there's always going to be some amount of people who keep playing it. So sure I think it'll come back a little bit and I think egg rout will be more of an own quantity but also will appear more. It's only the very limited number of people played it in Richmond. I think that will be a more significant amount in Portland. I just would yeah, I would say if you are going to Portland, I would try to have, if not a specific counter, I would definitely just play the matchup because it is very, very it does have a lot of very free wins, but it can get a lot trickier if the players who are playing them have either a way out or can really play the matchup better. You know, I think since it was so unknown, we definitely saw our I definitely saw some people just maybe not make the optimal plays against me because we didn't really have the the testing in against the deck, and that's, I mean, another bonus of playing a rope deck. But I would definitely say if you're going to Portland, have have an answer or have have some strategy against the deck. Yeah, and I'd also think that dark box is going to see an uptick. I think Chris Kemp put put it on the map as the deck that can handle it and stick and the weave asle was really the nail in the coffin to make it a truly viable in seeing archetype. Yeah, exactly. I well, and you saw it from the results of day two, right. You saw again there were a lot of eggs and there were a lot of Zor Arcs, and so those are two matchups that are really bad for dark box. Generally speaking. I think that's why we only saw maybe one other dark box without I don't believe they played we vile, but just one other dark box in day two. Not that it wasn't played,...

...but that it kind of got weeded out by just decks that were better against it. And so yeah, we saw Chris Mega Grey call just the one one we vele is enough and really pulled through form. Yeah, no doubt, no doubt pulled up. Paid off really well for him. So those are my opinions. She W is, or anything you'd like to add as far as things that we expect to see in Portland, I just think the last thing is that people will construct their decks around item lock just a little bit more. I would say another thing that people will do is probably increase their supporter counts, maybe just a little bit, like maybe take out that one lap, you know, the fourth vs seeker, and put in another juniper. I don't think it'll be drastic shifts because of course vs seeker and trainers, mail and battle compressor, all these items are very, very strong and very, very good for a lot of decks. But I think we will see a little slight shift towards a heavier support count for a lot of decks. I think they's like second Gouzma as well as something exactly I was just going to say. The the second Goozma, is huge. The more that you're able to pick out, you know, the the Item Lock Vileplum on the bench, the better off you're going to be able to be. So like there were a lot of times in the Games where, particularly against Buzz Garb, even though it didn't really matter all that much, but they only played their one Gouzma and then for B s secret, but if they were never able to one shot the vile plume, then it was almost felt like a waste of a Gouzma. So you want to make sure that if you do use Goosema, that you're able to one shout whatever you're bringing up. But I do think that Chris one of the things that he had in his deck which really gave me a lot of problems with too Guzma, and so I had to make sure I played around that in the finals. Yeah, for sure. Well, I think that's a pretty good perspective as to how the Meta my shift in Portland. I think otherwise there's going to be a lot of stuff that remains the same too, so you can check out some of our previous two episodes unexpanded, if you want to hear more about our thoughts in the format as a whole. Yeah, J have he's anything else that you want to hit on today? I mean, I think this is good. Yeah, I just like we've talked about what we expect to see, we've talked about what changes will be made and what we kind of think the metagame will be like, and so I think this will be a good overview for Portland. What what do you have winning, Riley? What would you guess would win if you had to, if you had to make a choice? Honestly, my own two favorite picks and the things I'm considering them most, are probably going to be dark, with we vile and as or control. Yeah, and that would be exactly where I would go. You know, you echo exactly where my mind goes. They have answers to the Raalid deck and they have answers to really every deck and format. I can't really think of a deck that that I would be scared to play if I was piloting one of those two decks. So I expect the metagame now to be dominated mostly by, you know, some type of Chris Death Right. I think it's just inherently strong and the more people that play at the mortal do well, and then just or control in general I think will be the pick of maybe the more experienced players. Yeah, for sure, for sure. Well, did it W I have one last question for you. Obviously actually have two. So first, if you could change one thing about your deck in Portland, what would you change? Or Richmond, what would you have changed and why? Well, there were two cards that I changed and one of them was the inclusion of the shuckle and the other was the inclusion of the fourth gloom. That confused instead of flipped. I think I would still keep the gloom, and the reason is that you can always just evolve it first if you know you're not going to need it in the matchup. So I just kind of feel like why not play? Why not play, you know, that other gloom just to give you an option against things? I never attacked with it once, but I still think it is...

...probably it earned its spot. I don't know, I just feel like it you want to have those you want to have if it's never going to punish you, which it never punished me, or maybe punished me very, like minimally, then you might as well have that option. I feel like, yeah, totally right, but that's just me being like. That's just me being me, and I always do this kind of stuff where I just like try to tweak it just a little bit, give it that little JW spice, a little spice. And then the second thing was, yeah, the chuckle chuckle wasn't great on the day, but it was had very specific uses and I mean it definitely beat all right, definitely helped me win my matchup against Michael Pramo Watt. So I think you keep it in. If you take it out, I would just add another consistency card, either the second Stevens or, you know, or another bridget or another juniper or something like that. But I really do feel like the more I think about the list, the more I feel like it is the optimal list and the perfect list and I'm excited to see how people do changes because certainly, certainly people will change it for Portland, but I'm excited to see how it is. I do think that this is, you know, as close to a perfect list as as I played in a long time. Cool I think it's really good answer. So last question for me. So every time I've want to tournament, especially in Dallas, I felt there was a moment before long before I actually won the tournament, when I knew I was going to win. Did you have a moment like that in Richmond and what was that moment? Not Really. I will say, though, when I found out that drew had prized both spritsy in game two, that was a time where I was like, oh well, it just hit me that like Oh, I'm going to the finals. You know that and that's that's always something very special. You know, it was really fun with the deck because a lot of the games were just the inevitability of it and it felt so fun to just I don't know what being a wrestlers like, but I have to imagine that there was some aspect of that where you're like trying and trying to get your opponent in a position where you can just win, but you know that you're stronger than them and you know that you're going to overpower them. It's just waiting for that opening and positioning yourself correctly, and so that's just really what a lot of the tournament felt like when I played against you and top four that second game. That was probably the closest I got to that feeling of inevitability of winning the tournament. But I knew going against Chris in the finals like it was just going to be a tough matchup and I knew that if he played it well that, you know, I could easily lose. So I definitely didn't let my guard down, but but you know, it definitely felt like a felt like a tournament of destiny. When I played against Ye have, prizing those Fritzy had felt insane, absolutely down. Well, thank you so much for your time, JW. Congratulations on our fantastic regional win. Really Awesome showing out there. I was cheering for you the whole way. I was freaking out and I found out the news. So really hats off to you. Man Out of the fas and for everyone else in chat. Thank you so much to all of you. We love all of you, we love all of our viewers on all of our podcasting platforms and on Youtube, and we will talk to you all next week. Peace.

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