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Season 5, Episode 10 · 2 months ago

5-10. LAIC - Silver Version

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The Latin American international championship is coming up this weekend, and we are so so excited to see what's going on. Join Riley and JW as we evaluate the top decks in the metagame and scope out what we would choose for LAIC!

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Yo, what is up? Guys? Welcome back to Tag Team Pokemon trading card games from your podcasting duoh on take two, after I broke my microphone midway through the first drive, May Holbert joined, as always by like a good friend. Mr J. W. Creewall. G W how's it going today? It's going okay, Riley, thanks for asking. So while we were midway through talking about how things are going, you mentioned that you were tired. Yeah, well we still got the We still got one of the boys from the hosting that we're doing. So he has a hard time sleeping, and some nights you're just up with him, you know, sometimes it takes a while to go to bed. Sometimes he wakes up in the middle of the night, and that was one of those nights yesterday where he kind of went to bed a little late and then also woke up at three am. So just dealing with that, you know, it's it's tough being in a weird environment. And I mean, at this point it's probably not that weird because he's been here for you know, a month plus, but even so, I mean, just you know, just just having trouble sleeping, it just happens. So up with him and uh, yeah, we're just looking forward to getting some some R and R, some some much needed sleep time this weekend. We're uh, he's he's we're getting some respite care so that we can go up to see my family in Michigan. That's awesome. And so do you have just like the rest of the week off or starting on Thursday or with the situation there, Yeah, so tomorrow he's going to go with another most family that he's been with before. So we kind of all pitching to help out a little bit sometimes like we're his primary right now. Um. And then you know, maybe for a day or two over the weekend, like he might go with another family some weekends, So another family is offered to take him for the next like three days, So that would be really nice. And how much longer is is the current arrangement going on? It was nearing its conclusion, isn't it. Yeah? Well so I we had initially thought it was going to end last week on and that was actually before um, that was before we were scheduled to end were but we were like, okay, mom's getting a lot better. She's feeling better. Um, and you know the whole point of this is to get the kids back with the parents like as soon as possible. Um. And then Mom ended up getting the flu. As you can imagine for someone who you know had cancer or is going ongoing with cancer treatment, you know, having another disease like the flu can be pretty devastating. So she had to go back into the hospital. She's doing fine, you know, she stabilized really well. But it just means that the hosting is gonna go on a little bit longer. So our new proposed end date is the second December, so just in time to head on over to Toronto. That's right. Oh, that's awesome. I wish you, wish you will over Thanksgiving and enjoying in your family. And I'm glad that that the mother is doing well on her absolutely absolutely. How is how's your week go on? How are you shaping up for for Thanksgiving? Any any plans? Well, you know, I've been pretty beat up, honestly over the last week or so. Um, last week I was on site in San Diego for my clients, and for pretty much the entirety of like the last two weeks, I've been dealing with like a very minor like sore throat, head cold type of situation. It's not like not minor, not major enough rather to get me out of work, but not minor enough not make you feel bad. Yeah, so just like it's an inconvenience to my day to day life and that's just like the worst place to be. Um. So that's kind of unfortunate, but we're trudging along through that. I feel like I'm finally like now turning the corner...

...after like two weeks of feeling mildly sick, I feel like slightly less mildly sick. So that's good. Um. But otherwise, like I've been fine. I've been pretty tired lately as well, mostly just due to to lack of sleep and like shifting time zones and stuff. Um, but you know this this week will be fine. Not really doing much for Thanksgiving, I haven't really done much with for Thanksgivings since moving to Madison, but I got the kiddy boarding school up here, as as I do every so often. Um, and I'm at least excited to get a day of respite during Thanksgiving. Proper, you only get one day we get, Yeah, we only get the one holiday most people do use Black Friday for their like flexible holiday. You get like one day surrounding any other holiday. I tend to work on Black Friday because there's no one else there. It's got to be super easy. Honestly, I really liked last year working through Christmas, and I didn't work on Christmas obviously the day before you know that kind of thing, because yeah, it's pretty chill, no one's really around. Um. Yeah, I'm actually kind of excited. Um. The only thing I'm kind of on about is I'm I'm like the emergency backup for a bunch of different people. Um, but for like the actual day proper, assuming there's no emergencies all. Literally all of my meetings got canceled. I had meeting most Friday, said meetings almost the entire day. I have literally zero that are still on for this Friday. Um, So I'm just gonna like kind of recenter, catch up on my stuff, get my inbox like back down to like a reasonable level, um, and catch up on all the fall of tasks that I've been like kind of kicking the can on. So it'll be good, very nice. Enjoy your rest. Yeah, So that in of itself will kind of be a rest of activity because it will remove stress from like the rest of my my work, um and in addition to the actual RESTful day of Thanksgiving proper, but there's no rest for those of you going to Latin America for the Latin American International Championships Big Pokemon turn with this weekend rafting. I know, yeah, I was actually thinking about when I went to Latin America myself back in it was I think it was the week before Thanksgiving and all of us who went were horrendously sick for the following week during Thanksgiving. So maybe it's for the best that's just during Thanksgiving itself, and so you're not like affecting your family members with traveled sickness. Well yeah, yeah, and I think the sickness is in um you know, are a little different than the sickness season maybe so maybe so. Um So that just was on my mind because I'm sick right now. L America's got to happen. But yes, Latin America is coming up this weekend. The faithful players from the US and from all across the world will be beating up in Brazil to play Mattin America International Championship, and we're excited to break down kind of what the situation is going into l A. I see. So for the next few you know, minutes, as we talked through the rest of the podcast, here, we'll be going through some of the top decks. We'll be going through for each of those top decks, kind of what the variants are within that deck, like the different ways you might opt to play it. Of those will each state our preference, and towards the end, we'll we'll do a fun little segment as well, surround us out. Cool sounds good, So j W, why don't you just kick us off? What is the first deck that we're gonna be talking about today? And we're gonna be talking about four decks today. We couldn't really produce a five that we were...

...competent with. We feel good, we feel really good about the four. There are four that are far and away UM contenders. I would say, right if any of these four decks or any of their sub variants were to win the Latin American International Championships, nobody would be surprised. You know, these are decks that you should be prepared for heading to this tournament. UM, you should be preparing for if you're not going to l A I C for Toronto or any of the subsequent regionals that you might be attending. These are just the best decks in the format, and I think our testing and the results online both back that up. So at the first deck that we are going to be talking about is one that kind of came on, UM you know, late in the later in the format Last Format, and that is Reggie. And so you know, we saw Reggie be very very dominant towards the end of last format. UM really had a present throughout, but it just seemed like it picked up a lot of steam and a lot of UM good players started giving it more and more credence towards the end of the format. Reggie is a deck right now that has a lot of advantages. There are a lot of shifts in the meta that make Reggie a little more favorable to play. Notably, I think one of the bigger shifts that I've I've noticed with just the way that lists are being constructed right now UM are with the MEW variants that we've been seeing. So I think there's a lot less lost city index, particularly in the MEW decks, and that obviously bodes very well for Reggie. Reggie has a nice ability to kind of counter a lot of these top decks. You look at Lucia hitting for weakness, being able to spread against things like Lost Box, and just having a lot of HP. These are good qualities to have. And for a second, when I when you said that Reggie has a nice ability, I thought you were talking about like Reggie giggas Is ability. I'm like, yeah, dude, it's good. Yeah, No, that's pretty good too. Yeah. I don't know if you've heard. It has this ability that it can accelerate energy from the discard post, so it makes it a good day. The big HP combined with the fact that it has this crazy ability. Yeah, I really thoughts where you're going with that person. Yeah, I mean, Reggie is It was definitely a staple of the Lost Origin meta game when all of a sudden done. It's kind of the premier, a single prize swing type of deck um and that doesn't really change heading into the Silver Tempest meta game. You know, Reggie loses and gains some matchups along the way, like Pakia. Definitely on the Downturn, which is a matchup Reggie was generally comfortable with Archaeas on the turn matchup, Reggie is generally comfortable with on the flip side though. The last cities are going down like you said, and Luggia is a matchup that Reggie should, for the most part, feel okay playing into for most variants of Lugia. So Reggie feels like a continued great deck in the format. It's also just really solid against other single price decks that will struggle to hit the one thirty, the one fifty every single turn that Reggie can churn out like it's nothing in terms of the HP with attackers. Yeah, absolutely, so Reggie is a little bit unique amongst these four decks, and that there's not really Reggie variants. You know, you're not gonna run up with like your five different variants of Reggie. You know, you're really just playing the straight and narrow when it comes to Reggie. I don't think the lists even change much at all from what we're seeing be successful towards the end of the Lost Origin meta game. I think you just you play it straight, you keep it simple, and that'll that'll be what works best for a deck like Reggie that's trying to accomplished so much. What would be...

...some reasons not to play Reggie, Because when I think of Reggie, I think about having you know, and even too maybe slightly favorable Lugia matchup. I think of it having a relatively even lost zone matchup. Um, And for the most part, I think about it having a pretty even MEW matchup. UM. What are some reasons maybe you wouldn't play a Reggie deck? Yeah, I mean, I think the big thing would probably be if you happen to hit Lukia. If you think that Lugia with dune spars and Vanafy and collapse stadium will be a factor, like if you have all of those like combination of things in one Lugia deck. By and large, I don't think most Lugia decks look like that, and nor do they really have the bench space to make that actually work most games. So you're probably doing okay in the grand scheme of things. But if you're not like taking the Lugia matchup that you really want to, you feel like Lukya is winning like in fifty of the time, feels not great for playing a deck like Reggie that's you know, got some inherent and consistency to it. That's maybe where you started on the line. I think amongst many of these other decks though, that we're going to talk about today. I would say Reggie's in a pretty good spot against pretty much all of them, So I would see it as like a as a very top contender. And I think it's unfair to the Reggie deck as well that people still kind of like wave the inconsistency card at it, because that's just like clearly that's like materially not very true as we see top players repeatedly get good performances with Reggie meta game wise as well, we also have to think about the shift away from Hissui and Gudra, Hissuian Gudra being one of those big decks from the last format that really locked Reggie out of the game relatively quickly, relatively easily. So yeah, without Hissuian Gudra, I mean, that isn't really a deck that I think anyone is considering. Just when you look at how strong Luggia is UM, particularly the the Aurora Luggio when they play the VL tool, just taking one shots on anything, no matter how much damage production you have with the Gujra deck, Um, you know, no one's really, at least from my perspective, considering his Suian Guchra to be a viable play in this current format. So that's another bad matchup for Reggie that has largely been pushed out, and um, you know again makes it much more favorable to play Reggie into this field. Yeah, I mean, I think Reggie's a super good call heading into this tournament. You wouldn't really fault someone for playing it. I don't think, no, absolutely not. You do bring up a good point. Though Lost City has been on the decline, I've been seeing a lot more collapse stadium, particularly in the Luggia decks, as a way to get rid of a crow bad or luminion that you may need in the early game to get your engine going. So that could be a bit of a concern. But you know, Reggie decks have played around stadiums before, so you know, high stadium acounts or not a you know, not something new and not something foreign to the deck, and you know, I would expect them to be able to adjust accordingly. So let's maybe dive then into our next deck, which is also a single prize attacking deck in Lost Box now Lost Box. When we think of it in the Lost Origin format, we'd largely think of it as being the stable eye charts are sort of deck where you over the course of multiple turns, you attack with your cameraants, you build up into your stable eze, and then you finish the game with a chartizard to try and chew strategy. Pedro literally just one a regional two weekends ago with that exact you know, straight narrow strategy. It works, It's super good, and I think that's actually still a pretty viable version of the deck. Heading into l A, I see the new sort of flavor of Lost Box that has been on the rise recently has been more of an amaze using reared box...

...type of deck. No, I would say even within there, we're seeing probably two variants that are are growing and gaining steam, the first of which would be more of an amazing Requeza focused variant where you have Queza is kind of your big burst attacker, you have stable eye for the spread, and then you have you know, cards like ray kou V, you have cards like sap does V. You to deal with the lugias and the stout lets respectively that the Lukya deck is gonna throw at you. So just like you know, a mirage gate box type of deck where you have all these sorts of high damage attackers. On the flip side, you have a more spread oriented variant, so taking a more more leaning hard into the spread instead of just having the stable eyes. So now you have the amazing kyoger that you can marrage gate too. You have of course the radiant Gryninja that you can rage gate too, and that can set up sort of these long term checkmates where you attack a couple of times with an amazing yoger and your opponents all of a sudden accumulated hundreds and hundreds of spread damage on their board and just a couple of turns. I mean, that amazing cagar is probably the single strongest spread attack we've ever seen that could be used like multiple times in a row. Um. So with the restriction really just being around the energy cost, that mirage gate can much more easily fulfill than maybe it was intended when the guard was printed. So that's kind of the the alternative version of that, right, just to have that kayoger variant. Yeah, all of these decks ultimately kind of roll up to the same strategy, though, if I'm going to be swinging with multiple single prizes over the course of a long game and eventually outprice trade my opponent where they might struggle on flip sides against Reggie where you have a single prize attackers that are a little bit harder to knock out. Yeah, although again Kayager can take those multi prizes. So that's that's one of the things that I really like when we're talking about these Lost Box sexes, um yeah, trying to um, you know, do things that we haven't seen before. Um I when we think about Lost Box I in this new format, I'm not a particular fan of the traditional build that the Sable Lion chars Art. I think that you're, um, you are a little more susceptible with that build to Stoutland in Lugia and if you haven't like already figured it out by now, I'm a huge fan of Stoland in Lugia. I think that that is that is what can really help swing the Lost Box matchup. So the traditional build of Sable Lie chars Art Lost Box I think struggles much more with the with the Stouthland and then you have you know, you're you're talking about the counter in the amazing rare box with maybe d Quasa and the zap Dos V that can you know, with Zaptos obviously trade extremely well into that Stoutland. But then additionally, you know, with my favorite variant is Kyo because you're able to maybe if um, you know, they come up and smack you with the Stoutland. Maybe you have plays with the Chiraum that cureum that yeah, you gotta you gotta cut the chirrum Brokram was canceled. The kay Yoger, you have plays with the kai Yoger that you can you know, kind of make up that prize difference that you lose, you know, getting a comfy knocked out by their Stoutland. So that's that's where I'm at right now. If I had to choose one of the three or four different types of Lost Box decks, I would go with the Kyoger variant. Plus, it's just super fun two manipulate all that energy in your deck with the energy recycling and the energy accounts are like truly wild and the Lost Flags decks these days it looks like kind of like a pre released me deck type of thing. It does. Yeah, and what's really crazy is just how fast you can go through the too. Oh yeah,...

I mean with the combination of the Lost Engine plus radiant Grinninja. You really are turning through that deck like crazy. You're speeding, You're speeding. I agree. So I'm kind of in the same boat as you. I maybe slightly prefer the Requaza variant over the Kyoger variant, but I do really like the tools that the amazing rare boxes add to the Lost Box deck. And I think, yeah, like you're looking to be a little bit trickier right now than maybe the same light chards our deck was historically. You sacrifice a little bit of that super straightforward consistency in exchange for maybe a higher mid game, especially ceiling. Sure. Yeah, so with these Lost Box decks that are playing, you know, more mirage gates and you know these amazing ray attackers, what prevented them from being played in the last format. I think it ultimately boils down to some of the factors that we've already listed, Like Lugia didn't exist, right, so they weren't getting pressured by cards like stout Land, which they now will be. Right, that's an inevitable force that some Lugias are going to be playing to stout Land. Actually, I think a lot of Lujya's kind of are or at least considering it, especially with how popular lost boxes getting in the last few weeks. Like if you look at tournaments from the last week and half two weeks, you'll see a lot more Stalin's than if you looked a couple of weeks back. Mhm. So that's one and probably the single biggest factor would be My guess is Stable Charge ad had the the luxury of time, right, And when you have the luxury of time, you can be much more selective about your damage counters. You can wait that one extra turn to attack with crammarrant and you can make those kinds of plays. You really cannot afford to miss a turn versus stout Land, right because as soon as you missed that one turn, they've now can four prizes and they're about to win the game. Like, you can't really come back from that, you know. That's that is the deficit at which a single prize deck can no longer win the game is when they go down four prizes. So once you hit that threshold, you're locked out. So you need to play a way to kill the Stoutland And there's no like single energy, single prize attacker that really does that at least not on like a basic. So now you're having to divest into right, but at that not the point you need it to exactly, So you need to you need to do it like two prizes taken, So at that instant you need to play a card that can instantly deal with the stout Land, and you can't do that with a single attachment to a basic Pokemon that isn't Char's ard at four prizes. So now you need to play like as active speed. You need to play at a mirage gate attacker, need to play some sort of alternative force to handle the Stoutland in front of you, which kind of leads you down this rabbit hole. Um, was it possible that some of these variants were viable in the previous format. Maybe, but again I think stab why Charges already had the benefit, uh that really straightforward consistency, and it was given the luxury of being able to lean into that instead of having to go into these alternative fruits. You know, like, if save why Charges are it's already a tournament winning deck, which it literally was proven to be twice, why would you bother like diverting consistency away from that? Sure? Sure, yeah, that's fair. That's fair, that's biological least and you just you just can't do that anymore. I think that's that's really solid. That all that said, Um, yeah, it's kind of spicy. It's kind of fun. How how the decks has opened up. I mean, ros Gate is such a fun card. It really, Oh it's super fun. Yeah yeah, that's it's like a It's that's like my League deck of choice right now. It's just your Lost Box or like if I'm just grinding late nine pt C g oh, like I'm just throwing Lost Box Kyoger decks...

...because it's just super fun to take, you know, four prizes, doing two damage of your opponents v Pokemon. It's cool. The the one wild thing I was thinking about this stif I commute home today, it's like, how the surd rog we I know we've talked about this before, but rog K is just like an absurd card, Like what the words on that card are insane. They are almost unfathomable that they ever putted a card that red like that but goes on. Pretty cool, that's right, it's fun to play, so so true awesome. Any final thoughts on Lost Box? This is another deck that you know, I could see someone coming up with a new variant um for l A I see and doing really well. I mean, we've talked about this ap dose, but one thing that we haven't talked about is the Earth and seal Stone. I'm a really big fan, and it makes aptos a little bit more liable against other random v base decks. So I think that that would be, you know, certainly a combination that we've talked and as here on the podcast about, but something that you know, someone could whip out and do really well with it. It's just a deck that there are so many different things that you could do with it. You could play heavy path, um, you know, you can play a variety of different attackers, and I just I wouldn't be surprised against seeing this deck with multiple variants making top thirty two, top eight. It's just that kind of jack of all trades and um, you know, really really really a fun deck, and I think a lot of people will gravitate towards it. For l A. I c absolutely, So let's then shift gears momentarily and go into our card of the day. What do you think, Yeah, absolutely, let's do it, all right, I got a polka x entry for you, and it's a pretty good all right, a Pokemon of South America that was thought to have been extinct. It is very intelligent and contint that's my answer. No, unfortunately, a Pokemon of South America is not. Maybe it is, but not the one in question here, Okay, then finish all right, second yeah, yeah, okay, So you basically, let's say he said zat based on the first half of the poke Neck centry. The second half it is very intelligent and learns any move. Yep, that's right, you is actually South American. There's like a there's a small handful of Polka nex centries that reference like real world locations. I'm pretty sure there's like a ma joke that can swim across the Atlantic Ocean or something. Dude, you know what, I think there's a I think there's a scrull that's from Skokie, Illinois. No way, that's yeah, yeah, I'm pretty sure that's definitely fake. No, No, the scrub from Skokie. I'm pretty sure that's there's a concorder from Gary, Indian. So, so the card of the Day that I'm picking today is mu gold Star from the Dragon Frontiers set. So Mu gold Star was a delta species Pokemon. It was a water tight Mu, which was kind of cool because it was also shiny, so it was like a blue meal on a blue card. I don't know it's neat right, and gold Star Pokemon we're kind of almost like radiant Pokemon. I guess it's probably the best comparison you can draw. You can play one gold Star on a deck across all the gold Star Pokemon, and they would typically have kind of like above average power levels for...

...maybe the the stat line on the cards may otherwise suggest you had a mimic reattack where it could copy other Pokemons attacks and have the requisite energy cost. Really though, it wasn't like super super popular is playing a couple of decks, but um there were other like more splash Dorble gold Star Pokemon. If you're looking just to throw one in their deck, you you kind of need to have like multiple different energy types to to make really work. The reason I picked Mew, though, is not because of like the competitive viability of it or anything, or even because if it's awesome Polka x entry. The reason I picked Mew was every so often, as a Pokemon card player, you get asked about like certain cards, right, like oh, you know, what is what's the deal with this car? Like how much is my base st potion worth? You know, things like that. And today the card got asked about by a friend was about me gold Star. They actually they ran to a mugal Star and saw it was really expensive and we're like, what's the deal with that? And gold Stars already? No, they had actually just seen online that new gold Star was very expensive and it's like, hey, like I saw this card, you know, why is it so expensive? And so they were like looking more to learn rather than like asking about the value of a card they owned. Um, so that was the card that came to my way this day was was Mew gold Star, which I'm much more excited about than like, is my BaseT potion that I found in my shoe box like worth a hundred thousand dollars? No, it's that. Yeah, I have those conversations all to you know. I've actually in the last few weeks, I've been approached multiple times by parents at work whose kids have like found out that I played Pokemon. Okay, I like just today this morning literally that the director from my project we were on our like our one of the one that we have on Tuesday mornings. He's like, Riley, you're not gonna believe this. My kid was watching Pokemon videos on the iPad and he found you playing like in original Championship and he was just watching that video. So like, now you're like a little celebrity at our about That's so fun? Man? Is that weird? All this to say is like somehow people always if you play a Pokemon and people know it, they'll come to you with your required card questions and sometimes they'll find you and they'll track you down. I love that. Yeah, m golds are very pretty. There is also another delta species Mew that in certain X was played alongside the gold Star that was the this is like a fire type mu. Yeah, there's the fire mut as well. Had a similar I don't think the wording on the the tack text was exactly the same, but it had a similar kind of copy copycat type of thing. Yeah, copycat exactly. That's kind of that kind of mused niche Right, it's just like copying other Pokemon, which is kind of fits in with the deck centry, right, Like it can use any move so and it makes for some really fun mechanics. I mean, we've seen it, you know, MEW two and MEW Tag, Team g X, MEW e X, you know obviously meus MOUV Max. So yeah, good stuff, awesome. Well j W, why don't you introduce the listeners then to our sponsor for the day before we jump into the second half. Absolutely, we are so proud to be partnering with our sponsor to bring you the podcast. Of course, that is Manscaped man Escaped products. They are the best men's grooming products around. We have been using the products for over a year now and can't say enough good things about them. If you've been listening to the cants for any amount of time, you'll know just how much we love each and every one of the man Escaped products, whether it be the R nose hair trimmer, whether it be the box, or whether it be any of the nice shampoos are conditioners that...

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...fun. Um So, so yeah, that's kind of the genesis there. And then Riley, you seem to think that this is a natural extension of d T MW. I would still keep them a bit separate. But um, there is a variant that's popping up right now where it's still primarily double turbo focused, but it incorporates heavy accounts of path to the peak and heavy accounts of lost vacuum. In order to shut down your opponent's abilities on their turn right at the end of the turn, you would play your path so that you could make use of all your geno sex and then path your opponent and then get rid of it on the next turn and do kind of the same thing all again, but just putting that pressure on with path to the peak, remove it onto your turn, and do the same thing again. So Riley seems to think, you know that that's maybe a natural extension of of the double Turbo MU that we saw from the last format. I'm not so sure. I think those both can kind of coexist in this format, and I think there are reasons. I mean, the reason I say that is like when we think about about double Turbo MU, which I did play multiple originals the double TURMMU, their goal is to disrupt their opponent, and a combination with taking early v knockouts right like that is the whole goal of double turbomo Um. When you look at disrupting opponents in the next meta game, you really need to stick Luya with a path. It feels like in those early terms, if you can keep Lusia from getting off the star summon ability, then you probably win that game, right, So being able to get the path more reliably is a way to do that. You also get the fringe benefit of shutting down you know, the grinnings of the world and shutting down the other views of the world, both of which we have talked about in the preceding moments of this podcast. So to me, it seems like if your goals are ready to like kind of apply that Marny disruption to your opponent. Plus you get the addition of the four of seal Stone, which is not only like a get out of jail free card for the path, but it's also like a way to search out the path itself and like or the Marni or whatever you need to like more liably disrupt your opponent. To me, that feels like that's where dt EMU would eventually converge. You know, if you're looking at his pathos, like if you're looking as design strategy that's to me, is where it's headed. Yeah, it's just so interesting, right because you with the Lugia deck, there's really only one turn that's that really matters, that matters, right. So, so as the MEW player, if you're going down this path of the peak route, you need to play a pretty high count. You know, you're we're seeing a lot of these lists play three Path and that's just because you're you're trying to take advantage of your own abilities, but you need it so much. The the meta has warped so much around Luga v Star that it commands that in your MEW deck you play cards that are antithetical to your strategy and you play them in very high counts. Now, there are kind of auxiliary benefits to Path. Um. Generally, Path is just a good deck and as a MEW player you have a lot less set up than you know a number of other decks. Um. You know, Arcis can be really badly inhibited by Path the peak of course, but then you have UM. You know, your biggest counter as the MW deck being drapeon and so heavy, Path means that you are more reliably able to path, have Path and play when your opponent might really punish you with a drapon B And that's super notable as well, right, because when we think about the last format and sort of DT news primary weakness is one of the biggest things is multiple counts of drapion felt almost unbeatable because it gave your opponent just so much time to eventually do what...

...they need to do, Whereas if you play path it will in a higher account it gives you more opportunity to prevent them from attacking with drapion at the first place, because strapion is reliant on disability to attack the MV max for free, which is kind of the whole selling point of the drapeond. So Andrew and I were already talking about playing like two paths. I think going to three just makes sense at that point when you have the four seal stone as well. Um, so let's maybe compare those those versions then. So if we have kind of like DTE variance of MEW fusion strike variance of MEW. To me, it seems, honestly, it seems no contest. I think d T is just the way to go. I think it's a more reliable. Oh yeah, I think it's a way more reliable version of the deck. I think the results are kind of speaking for itself. And I think, you know, Zula obviously just piloting the DC version of you too great success this past weekend, and I think Fusure Strike You just has there's too many things I'd be with, you know, when I played mew at you, I see and in the in the many months that I've played you since, I really just it's really frustrating to play the f you should strike version of you. And I don't think for a Steelstone will solve that core problem where like you're gonna draw, you draw so many cards in exactly the right order to make future strike me you flow, not even just to get the term one attack, but to make it flow over the course of the entire game from there. Right, you have all these bricky supporters of all of these horrible to draw if you used to strike energies, if you don't draw them at least at the right sequence, and it just makes the whole deck like so much more of a mess, Like, yeah, you get the one prize attacker to trade, but you lose some of the ancillary benefits that come with just a more disruptive version of MW like the DT Brant. Yeah, it's it's I mean, it's just really interesting to hear you say that because I think I'm on the opposite end of the coin here. In my reason things are that with the Meloetta based version, um, I think you have a much stronger matchup into Lugia because you don't have to go through the v guard energy. I think V guard energy is such a you said that, but but it's all like most destroying Luga's, right, Like yeah, I mean, and you know again that's that's like one you know, no, I know, it's like it's one like relatively minor tournament. But like I think it's it is worth calling out that, like clearly the v guard energy wasn't the end all the odd situation. Yeah, totally of course, And there are ways to get around it. And you know, you're still playing um you know that going horn and you still have a lot of gusts and things like this. But just just from my experience, it's been hard with the MEW to go through you know, multiple um, you know, multiple v gard energy on multiple Lugia's and then you look at you know, when I when I played the Mellow atta version of me, I'm running over these Luga decks because it almost doesn't matter or what they have. You know, you get that first Melotta and then from there you're just able to control the board so much when you take that first initial knockout with Mellotta that really whatever they promote after that, whatever they try to do, is is kind of negated by um, you know, the UV max is that you have kind of on the come up. So it's just really interesting to hear you, you know, say that, I think we're just on different sides of this coin. Yeah, I mean I wouldn't. I wouldn't necessarily fault someone for playing Melloletta. But unless like something drastically changes my opinion of the deck, I would not play Melotta view at a turn of it, I don't think ever. Again, just the just because it's more inconsistent, is that like the main reason, or yeah, it's more existence less reliable and it doesn't get the my favorite strategy in the format for the last year, which is just play Varty every turn because that strategy it freaking works, man. But but it works, but like but it doesn't, right, because...

...we're saying but it does, but it does there's only one turn that it matters against Lugia. But Meloetta as an attacker is good in pretty much any situation. Yeah, but then you have like all these its really Dunderson hands. It's infinite, the Dunderson hands where it's like if you draw Dunderson with with the TV Marty at fact and it's God, it's a way from you. So are you? Are you worried with the UM with the path based mule list since you're devoting your stadium slots to path of the peak, are you worried about Yeah? This is what this is where I was going with this before you very rudely interrupted me. I'm kidding, but my thought process is here. Here's the thing like Future Strike me is just much more of a pile. You're gonna have pile moments, but you do get the benefit of having an extra single prize attacker, which can let you trade a little bit better in Reggie for example, unless you trade a little bit better in the Lost Box UM. I think the flip side of that. You know, obviously the d T E MU by consequence of prepping more to for Lugia is objectively it's worse versus Reggie, and I don't think the Lost Box is terrible, but it's it's definitely a little bit worse versus locks Box as well, but definitely Reggie is like just objectively a bad matchup for the TV right now. It already kind of was, and it's not getting Eddie better. Actually, like cut down the Lost Cities to one or zero, you know, play two, it was fire like you're lost siting Reggie's like it was nothing. Um playing zero, it's not as fire, not as fire. If I had to say, um, so all this to say, I would be scared of Reggie's and that would be like my my one factor that would really preclude me from just running back ETMO. Interesting, well, but I don't think Melotti will fix that matchup. I really don't. From a lot of playing on both sides of that coin, I think you're probably still gonna lose with the Melo out of you unless you're playing like a heavy Lost City melot of you. I guess, um, so, you know it's a it's a dollar a hundred cents at that point, I don't know. I guess yeah. It's it's interesting there because you know, I felt fine with the double termine you into Reggie Decks with only one lost city, right, so I can only imagine having one lost city. I know that your experience was that way, but that's also kind of like the one in the same way. Those little turn of it was one anecdotal experience like the One Last City going super well for you could have easily just gotten the other way in a different day. No, no, no, I don't know, maybe not for you, but for maybe some other dude who is like much newbier than you. So like, I don't really think One Last City were really often push you all the way there, especially like to Melo, what I mean is probably not playing sileen Um or at least finding opportunities to use it as effectively without cross switcher and stuff. So yeah, I'm interesting. Yeah, I mean me was still um far and away like on the table for me, no matter what version it is the New Year. Yeah, I mean we've kind of our testing group has kind of been rocking you for a long time. We got a little bit of validation from me winning the tournament in Europe, you know, a few weeks ago. But yeah, I could see you ride in that train until I die. But there's one last deck that we haven't talked about that absolutely without it. We've talked about it, well, we talked about a lot, but I think we actually talked about it in every other It is warping the entire meta game around itself, and that is Lukya v Star. This deck is something that you need to be prepared for. You need to be prepared to beat it, or at least have a game plan when you're going against There's a couple of main...

...variants. Riley, why don't you walk us through both Rainbow Lugia and colorless Ludia. Yeah, so let's not belabor the point. You all know Lugia you get your archaops to play and you accelerate a ton of energy. So the question is what energies are you accelerating in the rainbow version of Lugia. You're playing Aurora energies obviously, and you're looking to power up typically some combination of obviously the Lugia itself and then amazing rare attackers potentially as well as a chars are to close out the game. You have amazing you veltall which you can take a knockout on anything that is not a big parasol equipped, you have the amazing Raiku, which is great. In the mirror match, you have um other just like Lightning attackers, you really have any attacker you can play. People are playing Crobat v max for example, to improve their view matchup. You know, Cravat v max with a v Guard energy. Oh my gosh, that is brutal um. And on the flip side, you have the colorless version of Mos. So instead of playing those Aurora energies and all those different attackers, you might play a couple of copies of Charon's Care. You might play a higher account of v Guard Energy, play cards like Gift Energy, Lucky Energy too. You know, because you have that extra flexibility now that you don't have to play your Aurora energy to instead just beef up the consistency of your straightforward Lukya strategy and then use cards like Charon's to prevent your product from taking key knockouts on your massive Lukya v Stars. Of the two, my personal preference leans still towards the Rainbow. I just really haven't been sold on the colors version, although when I played online it feels good, like it feels super smooth, But then I play in the mirror matches and they have access to these horrifying attackers that I don't, and that feels less good. J W. Do you have like a similar experience. Yeah, I'd say that's pretty fair. I think you look at the strength of vel Toll and you know, when we talk about attacks all time that are just you know, extremely insanely good, you know you have to put evlt on that list. Just the effect of the attack is, you know, something that you know, we would just like to use every turn, right if we could, if it was easy to use it, Like, that's just the attack to use, just knock out your upon his Pokemon, right, the only, the only better attack could just be like now you win the game. Right. So I think that that attack in and of itself is every single reason to play that version of Lugia. UM it's um It's one of those things where it solves a lot of different issues for you. UM it solves issues of you know, durald on being it's still a scary deck to play against, but you know you at least have answers to that. Um it solves you know, things like Gudra we talked about earlier. UM, there's just a bevy of different reasons that you might want to play and e Velt and have that ability to to just take a knockout on anything. And that is where I think the strength lies with the Aurora version of I think it's also worth calling out for the Aurora version of Lucia also just plays more single prizers, which has like the side benefit of like you're more likely to start a single prizer, for example, which means it's less likely that you get your two prizes are knocked out before you get a chance to attack type of thing. Um Like, those little things add up of the course of the tournament. You know, being able to have your opponent go on hod prizes more often than you do, um so, and and like you're saying as well, you also really can't be ignored. You can't really gust around evelt all in good faith unless you have a very clear plan to win the game, like on the following turn, because it's just gonna keep using the attack. There's not like a cost to it. You just you just do it. You take a knockout. The cost is powering it...

...up. The cost is powering it up, which really wasn't intended to be powered up it this way. I don't think. No, dude, it's so broken, but you know, here we are and it's possible. So yeah, I'm I'm with you. I think the vel Top and even just like the other fringe attackers that Lucia has access to with the Rainbow, that power level just ultimately exceeds the sort of more control the strategy that the the Colors version is going for. So let's I mean, let's talk about that then with Lucia. There, you know, you talk about fringe attackers. If you're thinking about playing at l A, I see, what are some attackers that in a Lucia deck that you should be either prepared for or be thinking about playing yourself. Because we have the amazing Rare Raiku that fits a similar niche to the Stoutland v in that against a lost Box deck you could potentially take two prizes assuming they don't have a manafee. The amazing ray Rock you can snipe one twenty. It does one twenty to the active, so that's pretty good. Additionally, if you attach a choice belt, you can watch your opponent's lugia, so it's really good in the mirror. If your opponent doesn't have done sparse down there's also the Radiant chars Ared that with a choice belt and enough energy can do two eight, which is very good into lugias. Are there any other attackers that you see maybe playing in this Lugia Rainbow Luya build. Yeah, I mean I think I think the Crowbat Max is actually a legitimate contender for a valuable card because again, you get that that V Guard energy and you get the two Auroras on your crow Bat, and you are taking six prizes with that crow Bat against V Max. You know, it is really really hard for me to deal with that card. You're having hip points that is five damage modifiers to get there with a double turbo, which is all of them if you weren't aware. So that's gonna be tough for most of your decks to actually hit um. And the dt variances in me, which are again are the more popular variants, don't really they don't have another attacker to like throw up in the match up, right, You just knock them out UM, So I think that's something worth considering. I think some other cars are. I mean, you have so much flexibility right because you play Rainbow energies and accelerate them from the deck. Some other cars that I think are worth considering just generally, like lightning attackers are things that I think are on the table. Unfortunately, there's not a lot of lightning attackers that really like hit that one threshold without a damage modifier. That's something that's been a problem ever since PAKIA was introduced. Is there's just really not a great lightning guy to accelerate onto. Um. I think another potential contender though, if you're looking at like choice band compatible Choice PELT compatible attackers is zek rom is another good option. Um. You know, it's it can attack multiple times in a row. It does have the recoil, but it also paralyzes, which is a pretty powerful effect anyway. So in the mirror, even if you don't like take the raw prizes with it from because they have done spars or something, you still paralyze them in the active which could potentially let you have that turn swing that you wanted anyway. Yeah, a lot of lugad x are not playing any sort of switching cards. Um, you know, you might see an escape rope, you might see a switch here and there, but certainly nothing like you know across switchers. You know, yeah, very little, very little like actual switch out, so any sort of paralyzation is really big. Um. There's one other card that I am surprised you haven't mentioned, and that is the Reggie Giggas. Yeah, Reggie Giggis is a great option. It's not really exclusive to the Aurora version because it does have that color as attack cost, but obviously getting that easy three hundred damage against the EMA X Pokemon is super good. Put a choice built on that. It's knocking out any v max in the game. Obviously, Reggie giggis super super good. I was sort of lazard in...

...the other Aoras because totally I get that, I get that. It just it's important to note, you know, I mean obviously in preparation. This is one of the you know, more interesting inclusions I think for either the Aurora based version or the It's really funny because Reggie is clearly meant to like power itself up so with with the you know five other redgis in play, but you can also just do it with two little bird guys and play that works just as well. So it seems that we're pretty in step with the VL tool. I would say I love the Stoutland. That would be an inclusion in my Lugi list where the play it at l A. I see, are there any that are kind of must have these tech pokemon must have? I don't necessarily think so. I think like in Aura you need to play Galta, and outside of that, like you don't necessarily have to play cards. It kind of is up to meta game discretion, you know. I think of cars like Reggie, Giggis and Stalin probably occupy a similar slot in the deck, if not the exact same slot. So you kind of have to be a little bit cheesy, but maybe not, especially if you're playing colorless. You know, you could probably fit Lukia and Stotland in a colorless version of Lucia, for example, or Reggie exams Stalin, not Lukya and Stealin. Obviously you're playing Lukya. I guess you can play Luca. Yeah. So you know, there's there is a certain amount of tightness to Luka deck because you're typically playing fifteen or sixteen energy, which is a pretty hefty number in addition to like the four or four four ball counts that pretty much every Lukya deck is playing to get those archaeops and discard pile, so you really running thin on space pretty quickly. Um. I think for sure evl tallism must have in Rainbow and other than that, like the rest of the attackers are kind of fighting for their slots fair enough, and it's based on large of what you expect to see, I would say personally, like, I think a combination of the Velta and the stout Lette seems pretty good with what we're seeing right now in the meta game, like Lost Box seems like it's really hot right now. It seems like something people are really enjoying, So having that option seems pretty valuable. Um. And I think you can handle me well enough without like the Reggie Giggas to necessarily need it, m at least not where I'm lading right now. Solid analysis, solid analysis. So I think we've talked enough about Lugia. Um. You know, if we were to go to a tournament right now, I think my choice would be Lugia. I think that deck is just nutty in many many ways, and I'd probably go at the Rainbow version. Riley, what would you take if you were to go to a tournament? Yeah, and if I was going to L I see, if I was going to L I see in a couple of days, I would be would say probably UGO would be my top choice, with a close second being T Team. You know. Yeah, yeah, I think we have a you know, another week to kind of figure this out, and obviously looking at the results will be all over those for what ended up happening at l A. I see, you'll be able to hear all about that next week. Now, there is one last question that we have for the cast. There's a lot beyond these four decks. There's a lot of other decks out there, just just a ton I mean right now, I think there's there's so many viable decks that people are just playing. Whether or not they can win a tournament that remains to be seen, but there's a lot of just different decks. What's a rogue or fringe deck that you think could make top eight in Latin America. Yeah, it's really tough because I think these decks, I think the dextually listed are like much better than the rest of the formula if I'm being honest, if I'm being candid, I think they are. I yeah, I'm gonna...

...give like two answers, so I don't have anything in mind, but I would not be surprised at all, if there's a stall deck that comes out of the woodwork and does really well. Um, it feels like there's an opportunity there. I just don't know exactly what it would be. Um, And the other side of the coin would I would say, would be UM, I don't want to say like a lass on deck, but more like, I don't know, like some sort of like goofy Archaias deck honestly with like Gradons or Gudras or dragons of both varieties in it. Um. It feels like, you know, those those dragons honestly matchup fine against a lot of the beta game. It's just that last little piece against Lugia. How do you make it work? Um? That's I think maybe that's potential. You know, you see you see Gudras and ander out on like floating in the top sixteens of a lot of these online tournaments, but not really ever making it quite past that I want. What I want to say is I want to say vehicle, but I don't think it's actually good enough. What do you think? Yeah, I was, I was actually really going to echo those same things. So I think that there is a stall variant evel tool with you know, any kind of ye the little friends Little Friends, right, and then um, I mean obviously there's either corven I or Reggi Lecky as kind of your big v max that hopefully can't get one shot, and then you could potentially share all and do some kind of combination with endless slooping with the UM with the elder gas. You know, there's something there. I was trying really hard at the start of this format to like think about that in theorym on it, but nothing ever really came to me. I think of the bulk of what I oiled down to for that deck was any vlatile based stall, and that was very lackluster. Obviously not going to do a ton into decks like Reggie, not going to be particularly good into lost box decks, so I kind of scrapped the idea. UM, but I agree there's a lot of tools for stall, and the meta is very centralized. Like we're looking at four decks. A lot of these decks are you know, Yeah, I mean that's the lowest number we've ever given I think, heading into like a big tournament, I mean yeah, right, Like I'm not even considering anything that's not these four decks. But then I would say that, Yeah, visable, that could be kind of cool. Trainer lock is very good. Um, we are seeing kind of a proof of concept being established with the with the reggil Lecky and the via Bolt pairing together. And so do I think it's a great deck. No? Do I think it's really consistent enough to win? No, But I do think that it has a chance to make top eight, and you know that would be that would be a great success for that deck. It feels like maybe if Luya didn't have access to done Spars, there's a world or like Reggie you could use or where people could do something. But freaking duns far As. But I hate that card. It's so it shuts down so many strategies and like, why did Lugia an Archias happen to be like the best decks at the same time it's dun Spars. You know, that's just evil, man, that's just evil. Yeah, well, who knows. I don't really honestly, I don't really think a fringe deck is likely to win this tournament unless there's some crazy stall deck out there. Um, but even then, stall struggles and top cut It's something we've seen in time and time again at these large events, so be on the lookout for Lugia, be ready for Lugia, and be ready for Tag Team to digest what happened with Lukya...

...and get you ready for Toronto, because that's where are you know, Steak is right, we are both going to Toronto. Can't wait for that tournament, so we need to be all on top of everything that happens this weekend, so you know, come back next week you'll hear all about it. Thank you all so much for listening today's episode. Before we head out, I want to do a few quick plugs first. If you are interested in picking up the Tag Team merchandise, make sure to head over to Flex Dady Dot Card slash Shot. Got plenty of shirts left and they're seriously awesome. I get lots of compliments from them, even outside of like the Pokemon setting. People really like the shirts, so do check them out if you're interested, and maybe wrap them at Toronto. If you want to get some street crad from the Tag Team, you can also find us on social media, and even if twitters in the process of imploding, that's still the best place to find us. So you can find us at tag Team Pokemon at Smiles with Ryles for myself and at real John Walter for j W. And last, but certainly not least, we do record the podcast every single week here on twitch dot tv slash Monner. That's my Twitch channel. You can also find JW on twitch dot tv slash flex Daddy Righteous. Absolutely thank you guys all so much for listening. We can't wait to see what happens at l A I See and we'll talk to you next week. Peace See.

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