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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 1, Episode 6 · 2 years ago

5. Chaos at the Latin America Championships

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Welcome back everybody, my name is JDBCreewall, and here I am today with Riley Holbert. This is your tag. Team podcast welcome back,it's been a long week, but we're both really excited to be here and to bestreaming tonight. I don't know about you, Riley, I'm very excited. Give meyour thoughts dude, I'm so pumped. It feels like it'sbeen longer than a week since we last talked, I feel like so much hashappened the last couple days and plus Brazil's right around the corner. It'sjust been like a hectic period of time for Pokemon yeah for sure, and I'mgoing to be honest like as we're getting into this season. It seems likeI've been more and more excited to start. The show like it's just beenlike. I get anxious for Wednesdays, I'm like ready for it to be here and it'sfinally here, and it just feels like a big you know like this is where Ishould be yeah for sure and there's so manythings that are constantly going on with this past year in the Meta gameand with in both formats- and you know, with he new set right aroundthe corner- is only more crazy stuff to come. octially for sure, I'm alwayslike super hyped to get into this format and kind of dive into what thegame 's been like. Lately, I've really really enjoyed the game. Lately yeah, Iwould agree. It's been Super Fun. I think cosmic eclips is really broughtabout a lot of new cards lot of new strategies, and I am very excited wewere talking about this before the stream or before the podcast about howwe're really excited to watch the stream for this weekend in LatinAmerica. I think it'll be really fun. I'm excited to see what people come upwith and I think there are a lot of viable strategies that can go prettyfar yeah. I think this format is going tobe rife with all sorts of new chargies, as well as old staples from the lastformat. Brazil's is going to be a crazy tournament for sure, there's going tobe a lot of stuff going on there that nobody could predict for sure we weremaking our list of decks that we wanted to hit on and it just it almost never ended. This is probably the longest list ofviable decks that we may have ever had here on tag teams. So we're going totry to diesect that we're going to try to get through that tonight and giveyou guys kind of our overview, how we see the format and how we think LatinAmerica International Championships are going to shape up so yeah. Don't westart with just a very brief. Very very brief recap unexpanded. Obviously thatwas the last tournament to happen in Portland. You happen to go to it. Whydon't you give us your thoughts on just that metagame, and you know how you didit in Portland yeah, the metagames kind of got thisweird turn in a post, Richmond world or viol plume really dominated Vilthem didnot do well in Portland, that's for sure yeah, and that's because a lot ofpeople shifted their shaties kind of exactly lit. We talked about last week,people addressed vio plume very heavily. There was a lot of the Guardi deck,some of them eve play garbador. There was a lot of turbo dark with you know some of them even played towevisls. Some of them played negatype Ranitar Ere's, like all sorts of crazybariance of dark, and they were like the most popular Indek by a lot whenyou added them together, and I kind of run a lot of thesetypical control docs off the table which opened up a new avenue for otherdecks to crop back up into the Meta game. So it was definitely weird andthe way that me Jimmy and the six other people whoplayed the pigeydeck kind of chose to approach. That is Michael Framewot. Toobviously a fellowphol group member is we wanted to control the metagame,but we wanted to also only have one prize to offer and we wanted to also beable to operate under power plant. So that's kind of where the Pigi that camefrom Banona was an obvious inclusion there and that's lik ended up beingreally really cool was really fun to...

...play. That mimic was a cool card. Itfelt like we were just like trying to get as much CP as possible with a bunchof cards that have ever gotten see p before and likely never will again and Tisas roll of that it was. It was areally fun tournament for sure, if you're interested in all in, like theindepth of the Pigedeck Fel, for you to check out Pram's video on tricky gym, Ihave prames a really funny guy the there's, a lot of o weird stuff goingon that video and yeah. It was a really funny video for Yeah Yeah. If you wantto see pram forget that he has no guzman is deck. For Twenty minutes isthe video for you. I love Franthoug he's the best, so thatwas like our approach to the Meta game and it was kind of the last Hurrah fora lot of these hand, control cars that are going to get Bheand and overallsust a really fun tournamentThau. The players were all super nice super welcoming in the area. Everyonewas extremely hyped up to be there yeah, I'm in also a huge shadow as well toall of my opponents and general players. I met over the weekend to express hersupport for a tag team and what we do here. That's what it's all about right.We try to deliver something awesome that you all can consume and learnabout pokemon or just get enjoy the banter and just enjoy the feeling ofbeing part of this community so yeah. Thank you all who reached out yeah but overall, like this is a reallyinteresting, expanif, formant, a lot of a lot of shifts from Richmond and kindof shift that we all saw coming as well right and Zoro garb taking it.All, I think, was the most surprising thing, but it wasn't your shockingeither right. I don't. I don't think anyone is truly like. Oh my God,Sorogar wont o Tournament Right Right, exactly t s like it's like as Zark andextanded like itill do well and it's been aron a long time. I feel likethere are certain people like Ean Rob, especially like just just you know,Zorgarb so well that you can just take it to any expanded tournament and justkind of do well with it has answers to pretty much everything, not greatanswers to everything, but it does have answers to everything. So really alldone really well done by EAN. Nice call and he obviously played it very well. Yeah. Definitely definitely, sadly, though, this expanded, formasskind of out the window not only we're getting a new pack, so all sorts of newcars seeing out of the pool, but a ton of the cars that kind of defined thisExpandiv Ata game are getting outright band yeah. So I'm really interested asto what the next expanded format looks like and how deck shape up yeah, Ithink it'll be a complete shift besides mabe like zero, garbon, dark beingmainstays yeah for sure. I think Zoro GRUB stays. Search to me is the onlycard that I'm looking at in a postband world that says Oh yeah, this was, you,know, very heavily played and I'm happy to see it go. I don't really think MarShadow was that big of an issue I didn't really see it cause prob. Idon't think it was in any of the top fourdeck in in Portland. I just I don't know, maybemaybe I'm looking at it through the wrong lens, but I don't see many of theother cards being banworthy other than maybe surge, but I think resad stamp opens up a Lonoftoxicity and I'm not I mean, like I don't think.Marsall is a huge deal, but I think the Games is healthier without it andthat's fair enough and it like chipchip to it's like. I don't see that as ahuge deal but honestly for it to be gone, it really nerves. A lot of thesecontrol decks, so it'll be interesting to see how expanded shapes up postfansmoving on definitely moving on to la IC. I mean this is going to be the majortopic of today's episode. There are just a ton of decks Riley. What haveyou been testing that you really like talk to me about just some things thatkind of stand out to you about this new metagame yeah? I I have been a little bit,starved on testing time, I'm not going to lie compared to what I wouldnormally want for a new set release. Usually I get alot of games in Portland kind of throws, a vench in that and people who went toboth Portland and Richmond. I feel I...

...think, they're really feeling the burmright now, because they had to prepare for both F those events and now haveBrazil coming up and if you're putting the adequate time Ino. All of thosethat kind of you have to like crunch every single one andto a couple daysright. So, however, that being said, there are acouple decks that really stand out to me in this formet, and I think thefirst one- and this is one that everybody's well aware of- is justgoing to be pitgy. I think you just have to be able tobeat Pitgy to play your deck in this warmat. The the Pittydeck is the samelystrong it stronger, Thi's ever been, and some people have been like wishyWashi and how some of the cards have like changed the deck and like whatcounts actually are going to be played. Mamiq. Being I like a debatable card aswell as Belalban ricend men being kind of adebatable card. Some people say that the the Bryconman is kind of like awinmor thing, and it's only you only play it when you already got a lockoffsure and that's like kind of true, but I think it misses out on some keypoints, a it. Let's Pigyou fiish games a lot faster, like almost ridiculously so pitgyis, easilya best of one viable deck now, where it really wasn't before sure, but also it removes resources from thegame from your opponent, whether that be like limiting theirbench with the second effect or just this. Removing key resources by millingthem randomly yeah is something that frankly, can't go understated. I Would Hee on. It only has a couple ofgood cards left and you start milling a lot of their deck. Every turn is morethan likely twe'll start hitting those important cars and they'll have lessand less ouse to win the more you use, Veloba rismen yeah. It can be reallyoppressive, and I think one thing that you touched onto that certainly I'vestarted to learn about the card is just how how impactful discarding off yourown bench can be discarding the Articuno to make room for you knowanother pigee discarding the Jaracis like when you just don't need themanymore to you know, make more room on your benche is so huge and it reallydistrupts the opponents as well very interesting card. I expect thatcard to in pagdecks I've been seeing people play one, but in my personaltesting I think like two possibly more is going to be the standard. I couldsee even going to three because the The Times where you have surge and then adouble Bellobab brisen man is like so insane it's so hard to comprehend.We've Bat peras ridiculous weave, never seen this card six before we've seendiscard for right. Durant was around in what twenty eleven and we've seen. Idon't know other mill cards. You know, team rackets, handywork comes to mind,but I mean he seem like its handywork averages to right right. That's whatI'm saying exactly you know and e like on that's an average like ther'll, be alostof periods of time WHO Yeu just get zero cards for Multiplei, turns in arow Yep and like the high roll of getting fouris like barely better than Ellobo, which can just do it. Naturally, ightget three right right that they like tryd to like nerve it a little bit by saying youalso discard three, but it's hardly a nurfe and a deck like Pidgy, where youjust can oranger everything back in Yeah, plus in pigy you're, either usingit late game when you have no cards indeck or you using it kind of midgame right when you want cards out of yourdeck, so you can get to no cars in your deck right, so it kind of just helpsity and all overall really ARD. It's the same. It is crazy, wilds or wildcard, any other cards that you're, seeing that just kind of staynd out toyou as being maybe format, tefining or tournament, defining or early format.You know standouts in pig, not necessarily, but I think, as we start to talk aboutmore of these other decks a couple...

...cards that will come up. Often ourchaotic well being one of them catocs well often paired with Kaldeo but oftenjust use on its own. It's just the ultimate blank stadium for years,people a said. Oh, you know. If I could just play a blank stadium car that didnothing but take up the stadium flot, I would do that and you know we hade fielblower for a while, which kind of like mitigated that need, but calax fell, is two blanesteakifrighte. Is it you're right, yeah? Absolutely it's crazy. It's so good,and, like I mean in this passformint the the unified mine spormat, the deckswere pretty reliant on their stadiums like teerom, really need a Sun ErMountain when it needed it. Thou firedecks all really needed gianthearth to go off when they needed it. Ultra space is key to a lot of decksengine. It's I mean we're. Goingno have to see ahuge shift in the way that decks artist fundamentally approached because ofChaoti swell changing how stadiums are valued yeah for sure. Absolutely yousee that to the chaatic swell is kind of buffs some other cards, most notablyKeldio Keldio, was easily able to be played around last format, becausepeople would just play the power plant and boo be able to one shot it now. If the Keldio player playsnonacatics well, they obviously can't do that same strategy. There's a littlebit of work around that you can do with like. Maybe a Mar Shadow resetting holeon your bench, get rid of the catexs well and then put your own power plandown, but that's like another step, and it just complicates things even more soKeldio, obviously getting a big buff and that you know kind of leads us intolike maybe one of the most interesting decks of our new format in ATP we have aquestion from Jason and the chat he says is ATP tr one or the new gaykeeperdeck. What are your thoughts on ADP ATP as a Decae, I'm kind of conflictedon, because I think at is core. It has a really good strategy behind it. Yeah.You know you just pop the gx attack early and you accelerate energy ontothe board, and then you swing with with that sorry Keldias, an articue nos overand over and over again sure- and it's really hard for a lot of ex to dealwith that and you know, taking th extra prizesgives it a pretty good ability to deal with one prize DEX and trade favorablyinto those, and also you know, Ju Siing extra prize can really matter versus alot of matchups, for example, versus greed. Charis ard you only ave to Kaoachars, arden, AF Bolcanian trip, or you can Kao two dedenes against Te,Thedenna Abbdeck and not even touch the main attacker sure like there's a lot of things that thatseem right for on paper, but I think in practice it falls a little short of myexpectations and maybe that's maybe that's my own personal fault and likethe fault of like the testing group and not building it properly. But I, like,I haven't, seen it yet. I haven't been convinced yet, and I the thing is, I kind of want tobe because I think the card is really cool and I think the strategy is reallycool for sure and I tend to get in these modes whereI just really want to be convinced by a deck and I'll push it and push it andpush it like it's just not even worth it, but I just I haven't really got it. GotThe fire fully lit under me for ATP yeah and I'm not quite sure what theproblem is. I think it's just like a little tooconsistent and like that turnthat you have to Gax, I think, is really if you can do that, turn for like freeyeah, it's you win usually, but if you like get smacked and you can't heal it,then you probably lose yeah. I was just going to say: There's a big strugglewith that deck. In terms of the timing, I find where you have to take a turn toGx, and you have to hope that that is your second turn like sometimes that,sometimes that's not you know. Even your first turn like you have to hopethat you get that by your second turn.

If you go first and sometimes itdoesn't happen so like you have to wait, another turn, but then so it takes aturn to attack. It takes another turnt. You know ttack with the gx. It takesanother turn to swing, to accelerate your board, and then it takes like moreturns to start hitting like you'd, never take a one shot on anythingexcept for the you know, you don't take one shouts on tag teams. I guess, aswhat I'm trying to say, you know, take one shots on tag toou. So now the turnsyou know two, three four they can start healing things can go really reallywrong. With your strategy. I don't find the ATP has the tools that it needs. Idon't think Keldio is the big threat that everyone wants it to be. It kindof slows that game down in the late later stages, but I feel like it's notenough right, because you have to swing with ADP you're, giving up three prizes,and then you usually sack like a Geraci or you playad, te Denne and then allthe opponent has to do is go through one Celdio, which I don't think is that big of a deal for a lot of decks sozero. I mean there are plenty of games, for you know they knock out a Draki.They knock out an ADP and they not got it. Todenna N. that's six prizes rightright! I don't even need to look at the Caldio exactl. I mean there are decksthat, like don't play the Dena but again like you're, probably pudting.I've seen a lot of listsof play Gerachu. So at that point, you're alreadyputting four prizes on the board. Just for the opponent to have so figuringout that last you know those last two prizes. It may be difficult, butusually I found a lot of decxs can do it, so I'm not soi on ATP. I just don'tlike the the power level, it can't one shout anything: it doesn't really HAVP.It has a lot of attacks that can be played around pretty easily and one ofthe biggest counters to ADP. For a lot of these tag, teandecks is one of ourother allstar cards from cosmice, clipps, mallow and Lonam yeah, and that was actually something Iwanted o to loop into right. is we ere talking about ATP because it also usesthe tag team engine yeah, but it's also against it kind of likebecause the damage is so low but definitely like, I think, maybe eventhe most impressive cards in this this pack, it is block just the is thetag team engine, the tag call Cyntia, Kaitlan, Malanlana congllomerate. I guess that you throwinto all these tag team decks. I am really really impressed by that. Thetag call I mean techcall is just a phenomenal car. That card is insanelygood, being able to grab a pope on Andasupporter. Even if that supporter is not the single best supporter in theworld, just being able to do. That is right, really good right, but then Mowalana also is just a reallygood supporter. You know against both four and againstATP healing that one twenty is, is huge, Mas, SOM, it's mass and that's it'skind of putting a stranglehold on these two shot strategies. You know if, let'ssay you swing with the Celdeo into a a gx, if they, if they mowl a lot of that, that's one.Twenty out, O t ont fort the damage right. That's not even too potting anopponents callio anymore right, so yeah Malolota. I think a lot of peoplewere knew. It was good. We all knew it was a good card. You know we weren'tcompletely ignorant, but I think we were. I don't know like not deceive 's, notignorant, but we didn't realize that it would be as good as it was as themedigane developed, especially the whitch effect is good healing is good.It's everything about is good for sure for sure, we'll see how it impactsLatin America International Championships this weekend, I'm excitedthat's one of the bigger cards. I think that should make a pretty significantimpact. I would not be surprised to see it in you know half of the top ADEX, solooking ahead, we've talked a lot about...

ATP kind of are pretty low on itbetween the two of us. It's definitely wouldn't be in my definitely wouldn't even be in my topfive. I think if I were going this weekend, let's talk about some othernecks. We have. Some of our favorites we have listed here are Pigioto baby,blounds and Meutu. You want to give some overview as to kind of what youthink those have to offer that make them thebest in the format yeah sure we already talked quite a bit aboutpiggy. I don't think there's a lot that needs to be said. I think also a lot ofyou listening to. This probably also have heard about pigey in other placesand how good it is in this format. It's kind of like it's just kind of the echo chamber thatwe have going Yeh to this format. Is that Pitgi's really good? So I don'teven carp on that forever. Baby blounds. I think what makes may be go bounds.Good is not that it's like an inherentlyamazing deck, because it's like it's just it's like an okay heck, I'm not ahuge fan of it, but it's a one prize deck that one shots and has inherentdraw on the pities and there's like, especially in a format that looks to bebuilding up to be tankier and with these big big boys, very loo, Malmar, also kind of gettinghated out by the worstening matchup against piggyand the worst matchup. Now against all the tag team decks that are playingMalonlana, which completely nallivies turn of Yeurtina. So, basically, every turn that you playMalonlana is a turn. They didn't attack, what Ma ar right, which is just crazy,so malmaris getting handed out, which is exactly what baby bless up on wants,because that's the worst matchup Bi far, and it can just creep back in the Metagame and onch out a bunch of gxes, which seems pretty good to me. I don'tknow. I think that I think there's a lot to be seen there. I don't know ifthe DET CILL be popular, but I think it's a decent pit going into laic yeahinteresting, interesting thoughts. There we have kind of one one deck thatI want to touch on. A little bit is just Mutu. I think that deck staysrelevant extremely relevant and we just look at the sheer number of optionsthat me to has, which is what made it the best EC and format last format. Ithink it maintains that status even with cards like mimicou coming out. Idon't think players have really understood how to utilize mimic otherthan in Gearitina DEX Geuritinea Mala mardecs, so Maye here's a little bithard, because how do you place the damage counters? Maybe you have likeshrine or something to do that, but really I haven't seen any liststhat play shrine and mimic. U I digress. Muto, I believe. As long as MMQ ISN'mplayed stays, you know ter one, absolutely just a ton of options. Iwould agree at her. I would agree with that assessment on pigy probably noneed to go into it even more. The surge double double belelba risen. Man isabsolutely insane and then baby blonds. Of course, one shots, everything,probably the closest deck, that we have on the list of being like a glasscannon, because it can just pop off to an extreme degree yeah. So we I did want to tak on Meto alittle bit. O Mutu is a stadium reliant deck whichmight be harmful going to this format. But I think me to is two things that gofor it really. Well it one shots, really easy. The three hundred damagiscrazy we've seen Sam mad peelis play helmet,but there's not like a goodboy to search out the helmet. Even so, itbarely feels like it matters to me and then there's just II, a lot of goodoptions meet. You can wanch ot a lot of things, a cargo. It can two shout withturbor strikeind an something else, and then also, even though it's e stadium,Ralyant Deck, which I touch on earlier, it can play mar shadow incrediblyeasily can amply to. If it really wants to. You know, I think, we've gonebeyond an Erro Orr like Whav EPS, even...

...a consideration so sure higye to juststays a top dog, and it's actually one of the top decks that I would pick inthe tournament cool moving past. Probably you know we wouldsay those three decks and I would agree like Pigioto baby blonds me to someorder. Those are probably just good decks, like people should be pigioto.Metu people should probably be prepared to face. Those maybe blounds is just aseems like it's well positioned going into this metagame of tankiness, likewe just mentioned now. Let's turn to some popular picks. We were talkingbefore the podcast about the Latin American metagame, which you know it'sjust different than what Americans are used to Wright. I mean it's the samething as like going over to to Europe. They have a different matogamewhoreit's, the same as going over to Australia like every place that you gokind of favors different decks, be that for just I don't know the localmatagame there. They prefer having more or less fun, it's cheaper to get thosecards. You know somebody good like ther their their regional best player. Justplays this one archetype like whatever it is, there's some reason that certainarchetypes are favored in different places. So what are some popular picks that youwould say to a fellow American going to Latin America this weekend to beprepared, for, I think the main things that I would look to asbeing popular would be ATP, which wo've talked quite a bit about Malamar in myexperience is very popular in Latin America. It was played all over theplace last year. La I see I expect that to be somewhat similar this year,especially because no Mars getting some hype going into this format and also greenzard, has repeatedlytopped and won events in Latin America this year, where it has not really performedincredibly well after worlds anywhere else in the world. So I expect thattrain to continue. I expect greenszars to shift more towards Breakshin Brex,an charzard sure, but I do expect ens arn to be a popular pick in in Lamerica,just based on the historical precedent that they have set from the e rest ofthe tournaments. This year, Co yeah, I mean wh t what more to add. Imean that was a really great summary of just it's different right. It'sdifferent! Wherever you go wherever you go, it's going to be a little bitdifferent than what you're used to be prepared out there. It's a little scary world outside ofoutside of America. I often find so yeah, not in general, not in generalthat wasn't a general statement. You know I know Tokem on o on sense,Thebokris, like nerv, Rackin and Hes, completely forign metagames thatapproach the game. It just fundamentally different way because youdon't writ ight like maybe what works really well, your area just doesn'teven make sense in a different area, H as a viable option. Exacty- and that'scertainly a thing I did want to ask how we talked before the podcast about these decks. We expected to bepopular, and we alluded earlier that, like malimark, maybe isn't in the bestspot ever right now. Can you elaborate more on Malimar? Yousaid you were testing it a little bit going Nto this format, how 's itfeeling to you either good or bad, and why yeah I mean it just kind of getskept Gat kept by ATP. I just find that ATP with a lot of these one prize, decx and specificallyMalamar. That's, you know a little bit slower to get going. Doesn't ever oneshot. It just has a bunch of problems therewith ADP, so Malamars success will depend on how good ADP is. I feel and yeah. I also feel like it kind of has abad matchup against pitgy. Mouto is winnable for sure, but, like there's acouple of bad matchups of decks that we expect to be popular, so I thinkMalimar is just gat kept by ATP, and so,...

...if ATP succeeds, Malamar will surelydecline. Yeah I malmare definitely takes a roughmatchup to ATP I mean what is thean supposed to do. It completely ruins thepoint of the deck when you start taking alltoll prices at once, and I alsothink Malalana is really bad for Malmor right rght. Every time your pin of playsMalalana you just get like O we closer towe. I was just going to say they justnegate your whole strategy right generally speaking, you're going to goup against these tag. TM nexks you're going to try to two shot the tact deck.If you have one of your whole attacks like negated, you just basically lostthat turn and now they're continually knocking you out. It can be rough withmallow and Lon of Bay. Stecks! Oh, we lost you there right, like that's finerig. My Laptop Camer just doesn't agree with me on the road. Well, fair enough,fair enough. We got to get back to back to the old days, but so I'm moving on here the rogue threats.So we talked about our best choices. Maybe our favorite choices heading inpopular picks that we think the local metagame might center around and thennow, let's go into the rogue threats that maybe haven't been talked about orour kind of dark horses heading into the tournament. I think one of those big ones that wejust haven't talked about- we've left it out is guardiwor. Now, guarde or seen a ton of success in you knowworlds format, just a very good kind of counter deck right. You can play allthe fairy charms Y. U can counter Mu to you can counter. I don't know whatevera'll dragon pokem on now. You can counter just a bunch of things right.You can kiund of peek around when that was that was a big matchup, so Gardo orseems well poised, but maybe not you know a ter one dack ts. It's notdefinitely under the radar heading into laic any thoughts on where you think adeck like guarawar. What kind of splashes it can make this weekend Yeahi mean, I think, guardof Ar is goodagainst ADP. If it can deal with the Caldios, Ithink it's more or less fine against like Meuto.It's fine against Malamar pitgy is a really bad matchup. It so isbaby blownds which make me nervous to play Plekardi just such a metaand, the deckas well- and usually, I think, going into these ICS- it's better to play aMeta, neutral, deck, sure, absolutely absolutely because it's so wide open.It's so wide open that you just never know right. You never know what you'regoing to see and that's probably the worst metagame for a deck like Gardopor.We also look at another Roge threat. There are things like Pekarom, I wouldsay, as a rogue threat, just because it's kind of fallen off in terms ofviability. We've talked about a little bit, caotic swell being pretty tough to deal with for apeakround player. If you can lay down a catecs, well will all of a sudden oneof the biggest tools in your deck and it's under mountain is just instantlynegated. We also talk about a little bit about dollstall that has been adeck. I've seen a ton on the ladder online. It feels like maybe one out ofevery three games, I'm playing against some deck. That plays a doll in it andthen, what's that, that's ridiculous! I knowit's actually a little bit crazy. I don't know what's happening and thenfinally, I think there's some merit to playing agx Blasephalon deck. I've beentesting that a little bit. I think I like where it is right now, if themetagame shifts to center entirely around tag teams which I expected to dothen bleseplon seems like a really good choice for this weekend. Do you haveany thoughts on what we've listed as rogue threats being guardy Pikeram thedoll stall or Blas Sepalon Yeah? I kind of I touched on Guardi a littlebit already, but Pikeron. I think...

...we call it a robe threat and I thinkthat's mostly because it's unexpected right now. I don't think the deck isactually like. I mean besides the fact that I hate the deck and think it'sterrible. I don't think it's actually bad for this tournament. I think the people, the thing that madepeople really afraid to play Peeron was lowponny and I think low poney has beenoverall underwhelming and it hasn't been as ubiquitous as people think itis like. I don't even think you actually really need to change the wayPekerom is fundamentally built to make it a viable choice in this partmet. Ithink you can just you: Can legit just like take a unified mindlist into a a causifiorclips tournament and you'll. Probably do okay, that's ridiculously good doll. I think I think it's a worse deck than Piggy atwhat it as far as like being a Stalveck, but I think it takes. It has like adifferent match of spread like there are some decks. Adoltus can't beat, but then it has dek that just can'tbeat it as well rightor, as pitgies like, I feel, like anything Candy Pitgy,if just randomly here and there, whereas, like the dolls, are likeimpossible to overcome for some other decks for sure, and I don't have a tonof thoughts on Gx Bloun. But I was curious. Are you building it currentlywith like the island, Chalenge abulant version, or are you building it more in the lines of how wee seen it and youo find mines format? What are your thoughts and like how big blound beplut? I mean I tried like a heavier line of island challenge. Amulet. I dofeel like it's a good card, but I had it at to to try to prove the concept. Ithink one is just fine. It seems like you draw through enough of your deck,that you can usually get to it and oftentimes it's not even that bad toplay. Lay game on like a Dedenne or something like that. So I'm just downto the one. I think the list, generally speaking,is basically the same. I've cut back on stadiums because, as we've been talking,caodic swell is just a huge thing so like if they get a chaatic well, thenyour statum is basically useless. So I've tried to steer away from stadiumusage to set up other than that I mean I just think thedeck functions, just about the same that it did. You know in the world'sformat, but now why it would be a better play is if there are more tagteam decks, Bliss Eplin can just feast. Do you think beseplon has an ability todeal with ATP or do you think Caldeo is is too hard to deal with? I think itdoes so there's a few different text that you can do well. The main strategyagainst Akeldio is to try to shot it with your neganadal, like the optimalway to win against atep is to knock out an ATP as your first prizes. So you godown to three prizes and then attach your beast energy to an Aganidel andone shot there Kelldio and then take another prize somehow yeah that oftenisn't that easy right. A lot of times,they'll sack a DRACI waiting to power up an ATP, so you Hav to take a Drashiprize or you like Birstjx, or something like that and then and then you know you have to find away to go through the last Keldio you hat the like two shot with a beestenergy rights. You do eighty damage to a with turning point, and then youattach a bees energy on your next turn and then do you know the two shot.That's often pretty hard, because if they play healing of any sort, thenthat strategy goes out the window. So what I've been trying in my list is toplay an ultraforest carton Voy to get around the Celdio, because againyou only really need to go around one. You take a Berst, knockout and or aGERACI knockout, you take an atpknock out and then you just have to go throughone Keldio. So if you can use ultra forest carton boy on that turn that youneed to go through, I know it sounds so ridiculous, saying it right, but a Harname is ridiculous. I T is carton Voyd, like somebody in the game. I didn'tplay this series of games, so I don't...

...know who carton Voy is. I I think it is I's like he lives in,like the the ultra foresor Timi come from, Ithink so. Okay, so ultra space has otherhumans in it. Ultra space is like it's. The whole thing is kind ofbizarre, but like all just basicallyie like the like the hyperspace kind of like toalmost okay, a next all these ultra like dimensions and there's likethere's like the ultra forest, there's the ultra like canyon, I think like abunch of different plandscapes. Okay, your lost me, like man, yeah, okay, well, okay, backto back on topic, ultra fores carton boy. I just find you know you play thatyou can just swing right through a caldio. Take your last two prizes. Sothat is what I've been testing with experimenting with. Theoreticallyshould work, I think it'd be fine! You just got a grip it for the for the lategame against ATP, but other than that I mean you have pretty good matchupsagainst. You know potentially guardy like youcould teck for that right. You can just play a couple of play: A couple of licenter labs to get around that ormaybe like a hea Tran or something you can beat things like Pekram. If youplay a Meu, you can beat things like dolsed, okay, so staldecks are kind ofhard, so the tech for staldecks is to play a Stinger neganadel. She take themdown to three prizes each and try to go win from there tryg to take threeknockouts ARCUIF YOA BEA string, and this is kind of what I was getting into.Though it's like you en. If you have B Straang you loose the dolsal right, butyou'll bet pigy, yes yeah, so that would be an exact match of wheredallstall is actually better suited to beat. You know a deck, then Pitgy, Yo yeah. Thank you so much for the follow beenthere done that I maybe I should have disabled all these notifications for this. I'mso sorry well know next time, there's a lot of things where, like seres anovice, no, no! No! It's like hosting you just a lot of things. You justdon't think about right, yeah, Youe's, something about you're, an ofvice atthe hosting the podcast down. I was in general, yeah, yeah, exactly eactly, so so anyway, yeah I like Blusaflon. I think it has alot of options, decent type C or decent coverage against a lot of things, andit has a good draw engine in aganalgx. So that kind of feels like a sleeperthreat to me- and I expected to see you know some success this weekend, some ofthe flops that we have here on the list talk about it. If you were watchingAndrews Stream, you saw this deck. Get obliterated every time it was on, butreshirom not seeming, like the powerhouse deck that that it should beright. You think, okay, I can do O and eventy turnafter turn it's going to beso fun. Its could be so easy. I'm going to blow everything out of the water doesn't really happen that way. What are your thoughts on Reshurom? I really don't like Thet Thatk, I'm notgoing to lie. It's it's cool, you know it's! It's got cool cards, it's gotcool attacknage sure, but it just feels to me like a the repies,the Sefolon that doesn't even do three hundred hamage sure, like it can't evenKoat ATP, which is really sad, sure, absolutely itself the King Ofcaot Self.So, like I don't see the point in ever playing it.

You know if you're already playing kindof a welder accelerate agonadel deck, then you should just play clouns and Idon't think the end version is very good, so yeah and I don't like the deck at allyeah. I think it's I think it's a dud reminds me a lot of when we had lost world deck with Gangarand mew. Prime back when they said. Oh, this deck is going to be so good. Youknow it's going to warp the whole format and then we got it and it endedup just being very bad, and you know never really seeing any of those bigplacements that everybody thought it was going to have so restauran.Definitely a stinker. How about dark box Darg box is one of those decks thatI've been testing. It seems like it should get a lot better with red andblue right. You play four red and blue in your deck. Obviously, that cardallows you to search your neck for an evolution, play that evolution and thenattach to energies from your deck to that evolution. So you're thinking,okay, this is the acceleration and the search that we've desperately wanted ina deck like darkbox. Any thoughts from you Raly on darkboxes, position in the MEDAGAME and maybe why it isn't doing so well rightnow, I really don't have a ton of thoughts.Besides the fact that that Darkfox Guy Cacks me ut, but I mean realistically, I don't thinkthe deck is any really better position than it was before yeah. I read himblue. It kind of feels like it needs tovalley on board to work, ecause you're, discarding so much to not really do aton, and if you with me, the way it feels tome is like dark box needs to do a lot, ofry turn sure and if you're read and blowing you'renot doing that much in a turn, if that makes sense, sure You'e just kind ofgetting an evolution out. So if you don't have the rest of your rboardestablished, because you need multiple evolutions and you need your Gx andplayto attack with n all this sort of stuff. So if you're only read ind bluwing thatturn without like a Saballi or something else, ind play, it starts to go a little shaky and so,like maybe the way to and people I've seen. People try and do like workaround that by doing more F, an ultra space, Tago, knowgx kind of heavyversion, also Sein playist valley version. At the end of the day. I just I justdon't think it's like that phenomenal of it. There sure, like I ei, don'talways live on of my heart as like a really fun deck that I enjoy playing,absolutely not a deco. I take it to. If I was in Brazil, I probably wouldn'teven bring my dark cards. It's so sad, sorry tyler, I'm so sorry to truly well yeah. I mean that was areally good overview, rily of what we expect to see in Brazil this weekend to reiterate our top three choices. I think we'repretty unanimous on this. Just in terms of power level, pigy Mouto, the stapleMeutu and baby blouns. Those feel like the three decks that I think I couldflip a coin and you know whatever landed on like. I would take one ofthose three day. Obviously not a Col Okay Rola die right. A Di has more thantwo side. Okay, I digress. I could roll a die pick. Any of those and beperfectly fine heading into whatever medagame it's just going to be a very funtournament. We've gone over ten fifteen decks tonight and a lot of them couldmake a deep run. So any hot takes that you want to give before we finish thisepisode off Riley. I don't think I honestly, I don't thinkI have any especially hot takes, I think, probably the hottest take that Ihave. I think Youto is still a really really good choice going into thistournament, but I think how hot that take is. Theredepends on the group that you're asking, because I think some people are likeate, like Mq Nigga, Lo Ponny, like...

...they're, just going na they're justgoing to ruin your day and be two sucks, Ao Yeah, and then there's people likeme who us like. If Yo can love me to and yeah you know, I'm Gonta Tho threehundred and your dit o, that's probably the hottest take. Ihonestly have and honestly I think I've been this islike my transparent thought- is that just those decks that we think from thebeginning are very good? Are the ones I think are currently very good and if that ends up being wrong orsomething crazy develops, then I ill just accept that I was thatw Rong goinginto this right, absolutely cool! Well, let's open it up to the chat here. Wehave a few questions here in the chat. Let's see have you guys talked about why mewboxis falling out of the Meta Ril. You want to take this one yeah, I n, I kind of was alluding tothat. Previously. I don't think it's really falling out in terms of its Meta biability, but Ithink the public opinion of it has declined due to mimic ou being a carthat exists, even if it's not played it's existence alone, kind of scarcepeople and megalopony being a card that exists for the similar reasons. Sureabsolutely what are the types of doll stalls thatyou've seen? I personally have seen on the ladder just straight dolstal it'llplay like florges and Munchlax. I've also seen one that plays floors buck,which is a very interesting hit, run mechanic. You can load up a coupleenergies and do sixty aturn, so maybe put a little bit of pressure whileyou're retreating into the lilies hogy doll. Pretty interesting, I'm excitedto see how that deck kind of evolves, maybe there's a doll type deck that works with HitmonchanAllah Don Fan of years past. We have a fight, oh go ahead, God iasjust going to say I think currently the way I would play it is just a simpleGerachi Lilis pokie doll for jest deck. I would try and spice itout with an attacker sure, so somebody here asks: What do you think is lookinggood for the expanded metagame next. For me, I know that's not really ontopic, but we will take that question. What is looking good, an expanding nextformat Riley and he guesses. I think it's Arabar just stays goodyeah. It's like control is kind of gone. Youhave the iris now to deal with dark it. Just it feels just kind of like thedeck to play, and so maybe because or garb is so good. Other decks start toincrease in play like Pikarom, starts to see more play or whatever else, butI think i's or art was kind tof be the metodefiner sure BM people are sayingin the chat seems good what what kind of kept Bhem from being a strong contender last format, becauseI know it certainly wasn't like a tier one option. You maybe could haveslaghted in an as at a low teer. Two. Do you think BKEM has any traction? Traction might be an overstatement, butBHM is another deck that really benefits from Lilies poki doll. So, instead of like right now, bhams in this place,where precosminor clips, where you just have to kind of either you have likethe Lowan ninetails and you kind of win, which you know, Youwo, probably win,whether or not you play Te Bem in your deck sure or your kind of stacking prizes, everyturn hoping thet item lock, Getsyo there and the lilies poki doll kind ofcircumvence that, because there's no gust besides peon in this format, whichshould be fair, te fheon is kind of annoying for Boet all right, but youjust hatd the set to up. So it's like it's Fi yeah. If you get two dollars inthe Port Doen't matter, but then the flip side of that is thatyou know you can't. You can't really...

...gusst anyway, wit without phion versusthe doll. So with that with item lock, at least so you're guaranteed t atleast one or two extra turns of attacking without giving up a prize,which I think is really really relevant for BM. So right, I think it's probablybetter. It's it's just not a dect that I would play.It feels really the lock is kind of inconsistent, so cool yeah. I don't think I I nead amore esed to be said than it just kind of inconsistent, yeah, fair enough allright, well, that that seems like really good overyouin of the metagameRiley. Thank you again for being here Ou. You are all the way in California. Yeah Yeah, Sunny, California actuallydark outside now, because it is getting late but yeah. It's it's been awesome. Dade.I mean thanks you for having me well. This is great, we'll get all ourtechnical issues worked out for next week when you're back home, safe andsound. Thank you guys. Oflfor joining US stick around later for Pokimon afterdark my own personal stream. I'm going to get right on that. So guys just takeyour time, take a little. You know drink sip of that nice ice, cold, water,that I know that you have here, stay hydrated people and I'll be right, OBadrakon, always hydrated. Thank you guys for for watching tag, team andwe'll see you next E. I.

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