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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 1, Episode 6 · 2 years ago

5. Chaos at the Latin America Championships

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Welcome back everybody. My name isJed we crew wall, and here I am today with Riley Hulbert. Thisis your tag team podcast. Welcome back. It's been a long week, butwe're both really excited to be here and to be streaming tonight. Idon't know about you, Riley, I'm very excited. Give me your thoughts. Dude, I'm so pumped. It feels like it's been longer than aweek since we last talked. I feel like so much has happened in thelast couple days and plus Brazil's right around the corner. It's just been likea hectic period of time for Pokemon. Yeah, for sure, and I'mgoing to be honest, like, as we're getting into this season, itseems like I've been more and more excited to start the show, like it'sjust been like I get anxious for Wednesdays. I'm like ready for it to behere, and it's finally here and it just feels like a big youknow, like this is where I should be. Yeah, for sure,and there's so many things that are constantly going on with this past year inthe metagame and with in both formats and, you know, with a new stepright around the corner. It's only more crazy stuff to come. Honestly, for sure, I'm always like super hype to get into this format andkind of dive into what the game's been like lately. I've really, reallyenjoyed the game lately. Yeah, I would agree. It's been Super Fun. I think cosmic eclipse is really brought about a lot of new cards,a lot of new strategies, and I am very excite. We were talkingabout this before the stream or before the PODCASTS, about how we're really excitedto watch the stream for this weekend in Latin America. I think it'll bereally fun. I'm excited to see what people come up with and I thinkthere are a lot of viable strategies that can go pretty far. Yeah,I think this format is going to be rife with all sorts of new sharitiesas well as old staples from the last format. Brazil's is going to bea crazy tournament, for sure. There's going to be a lot of stuffgoing on there that nobody could predict. For sure. We were making ourlist of decks that we wanted to hit on and it just it almost neverended. This is probably the longest list of viable decks that we may haveever had here on tag team. So we're going to try to dissect that. We're going to try to get through that tonight and give you guys kindof our overview, how we see the format and how we think Latin AmericaInternational Championships are going to shape up. So, yeah, I don't westart with just a very brief, very very brief recap on expanded. Obviouslythat was the last tournament to happen in Portland. You happen to go toit. Why don't you give us your thoughts on just that metagame and youknow how you did it in Portland. Yeah, the metagames kind of gotthis weird turn in a post Richmond world where vile plume really dominated. Vileflum did not do well in Portland, that's for sure. Yeah, andthat's because a lot of people shifted their chatties, kind of exactly what wetalked about last week. People addressed vile plum very heavily. There was alot of the Guardi deck. Some of them even played garbodor. There wasa lot of turbo dark with you know, some of them even play to wevials. Some of them played Niga, tyrannotars, like all sorts of crazyveriance of dark and they were like the most popular decks by a lotwhen you're out of them together, and I kind of run a lot ofthese typical control decks off the table, which opened up a new avenue forother decks to crop back up into the metagame. So it was definitely weird. And the way that's me, Jimmy and the six other people who playedthe Piggie deck kind of chose to approach, that is, Michael Fraymont to obviouslya fellow full group member, is we wanted to control the metagame,but we wanted to also only have one prize to offer and we wanted toalso be able to operate under power plant. So that's kind of where the Pigideck came from, when Nona was an obvious inclusion there, and that's, I ended up being really, really...

...cool. Was Really Fun to playthat. Mimic was a cool card. It felt like we were just liketrying to get as much CEP as possible with a bunch of cards that haveever gotten CP before and like we never will again, and this is rollof that. It was. It was a really fun tournament. For sure. If you're interested all in like the in depth of the pigie deck,feel free to check out prams video on tricky Jim Prayers, really funny guythat. There's a lot of weird stuff going on that video. And thenthe deck. Yeah, it was a really funny video for yeah, yeah, if you want to see Pram, forget that he has no Gouzman asdeck for twenty minutes. It's the video for you. I love for Ram, though. He's the best. So it's that was like our approach tothe metagame and it was kind of the last Hurrah for a lot of thesehand control cards that are going to get banned and overall, just a reallyfun tournament. The players were all super nice, super welcoming in the area. Everyone was extremely hyped up to be there. Yeah, I'm it alsoa huge shadow as well to all of my opponents and general players I metover the weekend, to express your support for tag team and what we dohere. That's what it's all about, right. We try to deliver somethingawesome that you all can consume and learn about pokemon or just get enjoy thebanter and just enjoy the feeling of being part of this community. So,yeah, thank you all who reached out. And Yeah, but overall, likethis is a really interesting expanded format. A lot of a lot of shiftsfrom Richmond and kind of shifts that we all saw coming as well.Right, and Zoro garb taking it all, I think, was the most surprisingthing, but it wasn't sure shocking either. Right, I don't Idon't think anyone is truly like, oh my gosh, or a guard oneof the tournament, like right, right, exactly, like it's like it isaurk and expanded, like it will do well. It's and it's beenaround a long time. I feel like there are certain people like you androb especially, like just just you knows or garb so well that you canjust take it to any expanded tournament and just kind of do well with it. Has Answers to pretty much everything. Not Great answers to everything, butit does have answers to everything. So really well done, really well doneby Ian. Nice call and he obviously played it very well. Yeah,definitely, definitely. And sadly, though, this expanded formats kind of out thewindow. Not only we're getting a new pack, so all sorts ofnew cards seeing out of the pool. But a ton of the cars thatkind of defined this expanded at a game are getting outright band. Yeah,so I'm really interested just to what the next expanded format looks like and howdeck shape up. Yeah, I think it'll be a complete shift. Besides, maybe like Zoro, garb and dark being mainstays. Yeah, for sure, I think Zoro groups stays. Search to me is the only card thatI'm looking at in a post band world that says Oh yeah, this was, you know, very heavily played and I'm happy to see it go.I don't really think Mars shadow was that big of an issue. I didn'treally see it cause probably I don't think it was in any of the topfour dex in in Portland. I just I don't know. Maybe maybe I'mlooking at it through the wrong lens, but I don't see many of theother cards being ban worthy other than maybe surge. But I think reset stampopens up auto toxicity and I I'm not a I mean like, I don'tthink marsids a huge deal, but I think the Games is healthier without itand that's fair enough. And it like chip chip to it's like I don'tsee that as a huge deal, but honestly, for it to be gone, it really nerves a lot of these control decks. So it'll be interestingto see how expanded shapes up post bands. Moving on. Definitely moving on toLaei. I mean this is going to be the major topic of today'sepisode. There are just a ton of decks, Riley. What have youbeen testing that you really like talk to me about? Just some things thatkind of stand out to you about this new metagame? Yeah, I havebeen a little bit starved on testing time, I'm not going to lie, comparedto what I would normally want for a new set release. Usually Iget a lot of games. In Portland kind of throws a rent in that, and people who went to both Portland...

...and Richmond, I feel I thinkthey're really feeling the burn right now because they had to prepare for both ofthose events and now have Brazil coming up and if you're putting the adequate timeand all of those that kind of you have to like crunch every single oneand do a couple days right. So, however, that being said, thereare a couple decks that really stand out to me in this format,and I think the first one, and this is one that everybody's well awareof, is just going to be piggy. I think you just have to beable to eat piggy. The player deck in this format, the pitgydeck, is insanely strong, a strong has ever been. And some peoplehave been like wishywashy and how some of the cards have like change the deckand like what counts actually are going to be played? Maybe cue being,I like, a debatable card as well as Belva and Brysonman be kind ofa debatable card. Some people say that the Brysonman is kind of like awindmore thing and it's only the only play it when you already got a lockoff. Sure, and that's like kind of true, but I think itmisses out in some key points. A let's piggy finish games a lot faster, like almost ridiculously. So pidgies easily a best of one biable deck nowwhere really wasn't before. Sure, but also it removes resources from the gamefrom your opponent, whether that be like limiting their bench with a second effector just this removing key resources by milling them randomly. Yeah, it's somethingthat, frankly, can't go understated. I would agree on. It onlyhas a couple good cards left and you start milling a lot of their deckevery turn, is more than likely you'll start hitting those important cars and they'llhave less and less outs to win the more you use below on recement.Yeah, it can be really oppressive and I think one thing that you touchedon to that certainly I've started to learn about the card is just how howimpactful discarding off your own bench can be. Discarding the articun no to make roomfor, you know, another pigey, discarding the GERACI's like when you justdon't need them anymore to, you know, make more room on yourbench, is so huge and it really disrupts the opponents as well. Veryinteresting card. I expect that card to in pigey decks. I've been seeingpeople play one, but in my personal testing I think like to, possiblymore, is going to be the standard. I could see even going to three, because the The Times where you have surge and then a double BeltlebaBryson man is like so insane it's so hard to comprehend. We've better asridiculous. We've never seen discard six before. We've seen discard for right durant wasaround in what twenty eleven, and we've seen, I don't know,other mill cards. You know, team rockets handywork comes to mind, butI mean he team markets handywork. Average is to right, right. That'swhat I'm saying exactly, you know, and like and on, and that'son average. Like they'll be a lot of periods of times we just getzero cards from multiple turns in a row. Yep. And like the higher rollof getting for is like barely better than all which can just do itnaturally right, get free, right, right. That they like tried tolike nerve it a little bit by saying you also discard three, but it'shardly a NERF and a deck like pidgey where you just can a wrangueru everythingback in. Yeah, plus in Pidgey you're either using it late game whenyou have no cards a deck, or using it kind of mid game,right when you want cards out of your deck, so you can get toknow cards in your deck. Right. So it kind of just helps andall over Sall, really aards. It's insane. It is crazy. Wildand wild card any other cards that you're seeing that just kind of stand outto you as being maybe format defining or tournament defining or early format, youknow, standouts in Pidgey, not necessarily, but I think as we start totalk about more of these other decks,...

...a couple cards that will come upoften are chaotics well being one of them. Kotos well, often pairedwith Keldeo, but often just used on its own. It's just the ultimateblank stadium. I have for years people have said, Oh, you know, if I could just play a blank stadium card that did nothing but takeup the stadium slot, I would do that. Sure, and you knowwe had field blower for a while which kind of like mitigated that need.But canucks well as to blank stage if they're right, is it? You'reright? Yeah, absolutely. It's crazy. It's so good and like I mean, in this past format, the unified minds format, the decks werepretty reliant on their stadiums. Like pream really need a thunder mountain when itneeded it, though, fired dex all really need a giant earth to gooff when they needed it. ultraspace is key to a lot of decks engine. It's I mean we're gonna have to see a huge shift in the waythat deck starts fundamentally approached because of chaotics, well, changing how stadiums are valued. Yeah, for sure, absolutely. You see that to the chaotic S. Well, it is kind of buffs some other cards, most notablyKell. Theo Keldo was easily able to be played around last format because peoplewould just play the power plant and bont be able to one shot it.Now, if the Kell deal player plays not a chaotics, well, theyobviously can't do that same strategy. There's a little bit of work around thatyou can do with like maybe a Mar Shadow resetting hole on your band getrid of the Catos well and then put your own power plane down, butthat's like another step and it just complicates things even more. So Kell theobviously getting a big buff and that, you know, kind of leads usinto like maybe one of the most interesting decks of our new format in ATP. We have a question from Jason and the chat. He says is ATPTier One or the new gatekeeper deck. What are your thoughts on ATP?ATP as a Decka I'm kind of conflicted on because I think at its coreit has a really good strategy behind it it. Yeah, you know,you just pop the gx attack early and you accelerate energy onto the board andthen he's swing with with that. Sorry, Keldeosn article knows over and over andover again. Sure, and it's really hard for a lot of xto deal with that. And you know, taking extra prizes gives it a prettygood ability to deal with one prize decks and trade favorably into those.And also, you know, just seating extra prize can really matter versus alot of matchups. For example, versus Green Charts alread, you only haveto Ko at charts art and of Vulcanian, sure, or you can Ko totoday's against the Dedanna heavy deck and not even touch the main attacker.Sure, it's like there's a lot of things that that seem right for iton paper, but I think in practice it falls a little short of myexpectations and maybe that's maybe that's my own personal fault and like the faults oflike the testing group and not building it properly. But I like I haven'tseen it yet. I haven't been convinced yet, and I the thing is, I kind of want to be, because I think the card is reallycool and I think the strategy is really cool for sure, and I tendto get in these modes where I just really want to be convinced by adeck and I'll push it and push it and push it, like it's isnot even worth it. But I just I haven't really got it, gotthe fire fully lit under me for ATP yeah, and I'm not quite surewhat the problem is. I think it's just like a little too consistent andlike that turn that you have to Gx, I think is really if you cando that turn for like free, yeah, it's you win usually,but if you like get smacked and you can't heal it, then you probablylose. Yeah, I was just going to say there's a big struggle withthat deck in terms of the timing. I find where you have to takea turn to GX and you have to hope that that is your second turn, like sometimes that sometimes that's not, you know, even your first turn. Like you have to hope that you...

...get that by your second turn ifyou go first, and sometimes that doesn't happen. So like you have towait another turn. But then so it takes a turn to attack, ittakes another turn you know attack with the gx. It takes another turn toswing to accelerate your board and then it takes like more turns to start hitting. Like you'd never take a one shot on anything, except for the youknow you don't take one shots on tag teams. I guess as well.I'm trying to say you don't take one shots on tag team. So nowthe turns, you know, two, three or they can start healing.Things can go really, really wrong with your strategy. I don't find theATP has the tools that it needs. I don't think Keldeo is the bigthreat that everyone wants it to be. A kind of slows that game downin the late, later stages, but I feel like it's not enough,right, because you have to swing. With ATP. You're giving up threeprizes and then you usually sack like a GERACI. Are you play at Adenne, and then all the opponent has to do is go through one Keldo,which I don't think is that big of a deal for a lot of decks. So zero. I mean there are plenty of games for you know,they knock out a GERACI, they knock out an ATP and they knock outat Dednne and that's six prizes right right. It doesn't even need to look atthe Caldeo exactly. I mean there are decks that like don't play Dednna. But again, like you're probably putting, I've seen a lot oflists that played GERACI. So at that point you're already putting four prizes onthe board just for the opponent to have. So figuring out that last you know, those last two prizes, it may be difficult, but usually Ifound a lot of decks can do it. So I'm not so buy on ATP. I just don't like the power level. It can't one shot anything. It doesn't really have. It has a lot of attacks that can beplayed around pretty easily and one of the biggest counters to ATP for a lotof these tag team decks is one of our other allstar cards from cosmic eclipsMalow and Lama. Yeah, and I was actually something I wanted to loopinto right as we were talking about ATP, because it also uses the tag teamengine. Yeah, but it's also weak against it, kind of likebecause the damage is Solo. But definitely like I think, maybe even themost impressive cards in this this pack is block is the is the tag teamengine, the tag call Cynthia Kitl and Malo and Lana conglomerate. I guessthat you can throw into all these tag team decks. I am really,really impressed by that. The tag call, I mean tag call, is justa phenomenal car. That card is insanely good. Being able to graba pokemon and a supporter, even if that supporter is not the single bestsupporter in the world. Just being able to do that is really good,right. But then now Alana also is just a really good supporter, youknow, against both for and against ATP healing. That one twenty is ishuge mass. It's mass and that's it's kind of putting a strangle hold onthese two shot strategies. You know, if, let's say, you swingwith the Kel Dao into a gx, if they if they mow a lotof that's one hundred and twenty out of one for you. The damage,right, that's not even two spotting and opponents Kell Theo anymore. So Yeah, Mal a Lana, I think a lot of people were knew it wasgood. We all knew it was a good card. You know, weweren't completely ignorant, but I think we were, I don't know, likenot deceive it's not ignorant, but we didn't realize that it would be asgood as it was as the metagame developed. Especially the switch effect is good.Healing is good, it's is everything about is good, for sure.For sure, we'll see how it impacts Latin America International Championships this weekend.I'm excited. That's one of the bigger cards. I think that should makea pretty significant impact. I would not be surprised to see it in,you know, half of the top eight decks. So looking ahead, we'vetalked a lot about ATP. Kind of...

...are pretty low on it between thetwo of us. It's definitely wouldn't be in my definitely wouldn't even be inmy top five, I think, if I were going this weekend. Let'stalk about some other decks. We have some of our favorites. We havelisted here are Piggioto, baby blounds and mew two. Do you want togive some overview as to kind of what you think those have to offer thatmake them the best in the format? Yeah, sure, we already talkedquite a bit about piggy. I don't think there's a lot that needs tobe said. I think also a lot of you listening to this probably alsohave heard about piggy and other places and how good it is in this format. It's kind of like it's just kind of the echo chamber that we havegoing into this format is that piggies really good. So I don't even harpon that forever. Baby blounds. I think what makes maybe equal blounds goodgood is not that it's like an inherently amazing deck, because I it's likeit's just a it's like an okay to heck. I'm not a huge fanof it, but it's a one prize deck that one shots and has inherentdraw on the pities and those like, especially in a format that looks tobe building up to be tankier and with these big, big boys. VeryLong. No, Malamars also kind of getting hated out by the worsening matchupagainst piggy and the worst matchup now against all the tag team decks that areplaying Malin Lana, which completely nullified turn of Garotina. So basically every turnthat you play Maltin Lana is a turn they didn't attack with Malamart right,which is just crazy. So malamore's getting hated out, which is exactly whatbaby blessed upon wants, because that's the worst matchup by far and it canjust creep back into the Meta game and one shot a bunch of gx has, which seems pretty good to me. I don't know, I think that. I think there's a lot to be seen there. I don't know ifthe deck will be popular, but I think it's a decent pick going intoLa. I see. Yeah, interesting, interesting thoughts there. We have kindof one one deck that I want to touch on a little bit isjust mew two. I think that deck stays relevant, extremely relevant, andwe just look at the sheer number of options that me two has, whichis what made it the best, I can format last format. I thinkit maintains that status even with cards like mimic you coming out. I don'tthink players have really understood how to utilize mimic you other than in Guarantino decks, Guarantina Malam our decks. So maybe he's a little bit hard because howdo you place the damage counters? Maybe you have like shrine or something todo that, but really I haven't seen any lists that play shrine and mimicyou. I digress. Mus Too, I believe as long as mimic isn'tplayed, stays, you know, Tier One, absolutely just a ton ofoptions. I would agree with her. I would agree with that assessment.On Pigi, probably no need to go into it even more. The surge, double, Double Bell Elbow Bryson Man is absolutely insane. And then maybeblond's. Of course, one shots everything, probably the closest deck that we haveon the list of being like a glass cannon because it can just popoff to an extreme degree. Yeah, so we I didn't want to onme too a little bit. MOWBER MEWTWO is a stadium reliant deck, whichmight be harmful going to this format, but I think me too has twothings that go for it really well. It one shots really easy. Thethree hundred damage is crazy. We've seen some adplist play helmet, but there'snot like a good way to starch out the helmet. Even so it barelyfeels like it matters to me. And then there's just a lot of goodoptions. Me To can one shot a lot of things with the cargo.It can to shot with turbo striking, a something else. And then also, even though it's a stadium reliant deck, which I touched on earlier. Itcan play Mar Shadow incredibly easily. Can even play two if it reallywants to. You know, I think we've gone beyond an era or likeWaba fects, even a consideration. So...

...sure, I think you two juststay as a top dog and it's actually one of the top decks that Iwould pick in this tournament. Cool, moving past probably, you know,we would say those three decks. I would agree like Piggioto, baby bloondsme to some order. Those are probably just good decks. Like people shouldbe Piggioto me two people should probably be prepared to face those baby blounds.Is just a seems like it's well positioned going into this metagame of tankiness likewe just mentioned. Now let's turn to some popular pics. We were talkingbefore the podcast about the Latin American metagame, which, you know, it's justdifferent than what Americans are used to write. I mean it's the samething as like going over to Europe. They have a different metagame, orit's the same as going over to Australia, like every place that you go kindof favors different decks. Be That for just, I don't know,the local metagame there. They prefer having more or less fun. It's cheaperto get those cards. You know somebody good like they're they're their regional bestplayer just plays this one archetype, like, whatever it is. There's some reasonthat certain archetypes are favored in different places. So what are some popularpicks that you would say to a fellow American going to Latin America this weekendto be prepared for? I think the main things I would look to asbeing popular would be ATP, which we've talked quite a bit about. Malamarin my experience was is very popular in Latin America. It was played allover the place last year. I la I see. I expect that tobe somewhat similar this year, especially because now marks getting some hike going intothis format. And also Greens ard has repeatedly topped and one events in LatinAmerica this year where it has not really performed incredibly well after world's anywhere elsein the world. So I expect that train to continue. I expect Greensards to shift more towards bracin breaks, in Chars ared, sure, butI do expectenzard to be a popular pick and in Latin America, just basedon the historical precedent that they have set from the rest of the tournaments thisyear. Cool. Yeah, I mean, what more to add? I meanthat that was a really great summary of just it's different, right,it's different wherever you go, wherever you go, it's going to be alittle bit different than what you're used to be prepared out there. It's alittle scary world outside of outside of America, I often find so, yeah,not in general, not in general. That wasn't a general statement. JustI know it's pokemon. It's like, come on, sense the bookmon worldit is is like nerve racking and who's completely formed Atta Games that approachedthe game. It just fundamentally different way because you don't write like maybe whatworks really well in your area just doesn't even make sense in a different areaas a Bible option exactly, and that's certainly a thing. I did wantto ask. How we talked before the podcast about these decks we expected tobe popular and we alluded earlier that like Malamar, maybe isn't in the bestspot ever right now. Can you elaborate more on Malamar? You said youwere testing it a little bit going to this format. How's it feeling toyou, either good or bad? And why? Yeah, I mean itjust kind of gets kept, gate kept by ATP. I just find thatATP with a lot of these one prize decks, and specifically Malamar, that's, you know, a little bit slower to get going. Doesn't ever oneshot. It just has a bunch of problems there with a DP. SoMalamar's success will depend on how good a DP is, I feel. AndYeah, I also feel like it kind of has a bad matchup against pidgey. Mew Two is winnable for sure, but like there's a couple of badmatchups of decks that we expect to be popular. So I think Malam Oarsjust gate kept by ATP. And so...

...if ATP succeeds, Malamar will surelydecline. Yeah, I mean Malmar definitely takes a rough matchup to ATP.I mean it's what does the even supposed to do? They completely ruins thepoint of the deck when he started taking multiple prizes as at once. AndI also think Mala Lana is really bad for Malamar. Right, every timeof your point of place, Mala Lana, you just gay like so mean closerto Roud. I was just going to say they just negate your wholestrategy. Right, generally speaking, you're going to go up against these tagteam decks. You're going to try to too shot the TAG team decks.If you have one of your whole attacks like negated, you just basically lostthat turn and now they're continually knocking you out. It can be rough withMalo launabas decks. Oh, we lost you there. Riley's fine. Right, my laptop camera dos doesn't agree with me on the road. Well,fair enough, fair enough, we got to get back to back to theold days. But so moving on here the rogue threats. So we talkedabout our best choices, maybe our favorite choices, heading in, popular picksthat we think the local metagame might center around. And then now let's gointo the rogue threats that maybe have them been talked about, or our kindof dark horses heading into the tournament. I think one of those big onesthat we just haven't talked about, we've left it out, is guardivore.Now guardivore seen a ton of success in, you know, world's format. Justa very good kind of counter deck. Right, you can play all thefairy charms, you can counter me, you two, you can counter,I don't know whatever, all dragon pokemon. Now you can counter justa bunch of things right. You can counterpeak around. When that was thatwas a big matchup. So guardivore seems well poise, but maybe not,you know, a tier one deck. It's definitely under the radar heading intoLa. I see any thoughts on where you think a deck like guardivore whatkind of splashes that can make this weekend? Yeah, I mean, I thinkGuardivar is good against ATP if it can deal with the CALDEO's. Ithink it's more or less fine against like new too. It's fine against Malamar. PIGGY is a really bad matchup. It's so is baby blounds, whichmake me nervous to play play already. That's just such a Meta and adeck as well, and usually I think going into these ices it's better toplay a Meta neutral deck. Sure, absolutely, absolutely, because it's sowide open. It's so wide open that you just never know, right,you never know what you're going to see, and that's probably the worst metagame fora deck like guardivore. We also look at another rogue threat. Thereare things like peak ram I would say, as a rogue threat just because it'skind of fallen off in terms of viability. We've talked about a littlebit chaotics well, being pretty tough to deal with for a peak around player. If you can lay down a chat as well. Well, all ofa sudden one of the biggest tools in your deck in thunder mountain is justinstantly negated. We also talked about a little bit about dollstall. That hasbeen a deck I've seen a ton on the ladder online. I it feelslike maybe one out of every three games I'm playing against some deck that playsa doll in it. And then what's had? That's ridiculous. I knowit's actually a little bit crazy. I don't know what's happening. And then, finally, I think there's some merit to playing a gx bless cephalon deck. I've been testing that a little bit. I think I like where it isright now. If the METAGAME SHIFTS TO CENTER ENTIRELY AROUND TAG teams,which I expected to do, then let's cell on seems like a really goodchoice for this weekend. Do you have any thoughts on what we've listed asrogue threats, being Guardie Peek, Aram, the doll stall or bliss cephalon.Yeah, I kind of touched on Guardi a little bit already. ButPeka Ram, I think we call it...

...or rogue threat, and I thinkthat's mostly because it's unexpected right now. I don't think the deck is actuallylike, I mean, besides the fact that I hate the deck and thinkit's terrible, I don't think it's actually bad for this tournament. I thinkthe people, the thing that made people really afraid to play Pete Aram wasthe low puney and I think low puney has been overall underwhelming and hasn't beenas ubiquitous as people think it is. Like I don't even think you actuallyreally need to change the way peak Aram is fundamentally built to make it aviable choice in this format. I think you can just you can legit,just like take a unified minds list into it a cosmic eclipse tournament and you'llprobably do. Okay, that's ridiculous, a good doll, I think.I think it's a worst deck than piggy at what it as far as likebeing a stall deck, but I think it takes says like a different matchof spread, like there are some decks that all just can't beat but thenit has decks that just can't beat it as well, whereas piggies like,I feel like anything can be piggy, it just randomly here and there,sure, whereas like the dolls are like impossible to overcome for some other decks, for sure. And I don't have a ton of thoughts on gx blow, but I was curious. Are you building it currently with like the islandchallenge ambulant version, or are you building it more in the lines of howwe've seen it and you'd find minds format? What are your thoughts and like howbig blown should be played? I mean I tried like a heavier lineof island challenge amulet. I do feel like it's a good card, butI had it at to to try to prove the concept. I think oneis just fine. It seems like you draw through enough of your deck thatyou can usually get to it, and oftentimes it's not even that bad toplay leg game on like a Dednni or something like that. So I'm justdown to the one. I think the list, generally speaking, is basicallythe same. I've cut back on stadiums because, as we've been talking,chaotics well, is just a huge thing. So, like if they get achaotics, well then your stadium is basically useless. So I've tried tosteer away from stadium usage to set up. Other than that, I mean Ijust think the deck functions just about the same that it did, youknow, in the world's format. But now why it would be a betterplay is if there are more tag team decks, let's felon can just feast. Do you think we's Cephalon has an ability to deal with ATP or doyou think Caldeos it's too hard to deal with? I think it does.So there's a few different text that you can do. Well, the mainstrategy against a Keldo is to try to two shot it with your Niganadel.Like the optimal way to win against ATP is to knock out an ATP asyour first prize is so you go down to three prizes and then attach yourbeast energy to an Aganadel and one shot there Kel Deo and then take anotherprize somehow. Yeah, that often isn't that easy right. A lot oftimes they'll sack a GERACI waiting to power up an ATP, so you haveto take a draci prize or you like burst gx or something like that.And then and then you know you have to find a way to go throughthe last Keldo. You have to like two shot with a beast energy rights. You do eighty damage to it with turning point and then you attach abeast energy on your next turn and then, do you know, the two shot. That's often pretty hard because if they play healing of any sort thenthat strategy goes out the window. So what I've been trying in my listis to play an ultra forest cartain Voy to get around the Kel deal becauseagain, you only really need to go around one. You take a burstknockout and or a GERACI knockout, you take an ATP knockout and then youjust have to go through one Kel deal. So if you can use ultra forestcartin boy on that turn that you need to go through. I knowit sounds so ridiculous saying it right, but if her name is ridiculous,I don't is cartain void like somebody in the the game? I didn't playthis series of games, so I don't...

...know who carton boy is. II think it is. He's like he lives in like the ultra forest storyor sonic I'm from, I think. So okay, so ultra space hasother humans in it. Ultra space is like it's the whole thing is kindof bizarre. But like ultra spaceicly, like the like the hyperspace, kindof like tube almost. Okay, connect all these ultra like dimensions and there'slike there's like the ultra forest, there's the ultra like canyon. I think, like a bunch of different Lance Games. Okay, your lost me, likeman. Yeah, okay, well, okay, back to back on topic. Ultra forest, carton boy, I just find you know, youplay that, you can just swing right through a Keldeo take your last twoprizes. So that is what I've been testing with, experimenting with. Theoreticallyshould work. I think it'd be fine. You just got a grip it forthe for the late game against ATP rather than that. I mean yougot pretty good matchups against, you know, potentially guardy like you could tech forthat right. You can just play a couple of play a couple oflysander labs to get around that, or maybe like a Heatran or something.You can beat things like Kram if you play am you you can beat thingslike dollst okay, so stall decks are kind of hard. So the techfor stall decks is to play a Stinger Niganadel. So you take them downto three prizes each and try to go win from there. Try to takethree knockouts. Arc Be string, and if you have the string, youlose the doll stall. Right Y, you'll beat higgy. Yes, yes, so that would be an exact match of where doll stall is actuallybetter suited to beat, you know, a deck than piggy. Yo.Yeah, thank you so much for the follow been. They're done. that. I maybe I should have disabled all these notifications for this. I'm sosorry. Well, no, next time. There's a lot of things where likeSeri is a novice. No, no, it's like hosting. Youjust a lot of things you just don't think about, right, yeah,you don't think about your novice at the hosting the podcast and I was ingeneral. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. So so anyway, yeah, I like Blessuflon. I think it has a lot of options, decenttype car or decent coverage against a lot of things and it has a gooddrawing Jin in Againa L gx. So that kind of feels like a sleeperthreat to me and I expected to see, you know, some success this weekendsome of the flops that we have here on the list. I'll talkabout it. If you're watching Andrews Stream, you saw this deck get obliterated everytime it was on. But rest you rom not seeming like the powerhousedeck that that it should be. Right. You think, okay, I cando two hundred and seventy turn after turn. It's going to be sofun, it's could be so easy, I'm going to blow everything out ofthe water. Doesn't really happen that way. What are your thoughts on Ressirom?I really don't like it that I'm not gonna lie. It's it's cool, you know it's it's got cool cards, it's got cool attack names, sure, but it just feels to me like a three pies of the stuffon that doesn't even do three hundred damage. Sure, like it can't even Koat ATP which is really sad. Sure, absolutely itself the King ofKou itself. So like I don't see the point in ever playing it.You know, if you're already playing kind...

...of a welder accelerate and I cana l deck. Then you should just play blounds and I don't think theend version is very good. So yeah, and I don't like the deck atall. Yeah, I think it's I think it's a Dune. Remindsme a lot of when we had lost world decks with gang a and mewprime back when they said, Oh, this deck is going to be sogood, you know it's going to warp the whole format, and then wegot it and it ended up just being very bad and, you know,never really seeing any of those big placements that everybody thought it was going tohave. So restaurant definitely a stinker. How about dark box? Dark boxis one of those decks that I've been testing. It seems like it shouldget a lot better. With red and blue right, you play for redand blue and your deck obviously that card allows you to search your deck foran evolution, play the evolution and then attached to energies from your deck tothat evolution. So you're thinking, okay, this is the acceleration and the searchthat we've death spritly wanted in a deck like dark box. Any thoughtsfrom you, Riley, on dark boxes position in the metagame and maybe whyit isn't doing so well right now. I really don't have a ton ofthoughts, besides the fact that that dark box guy cracks me up. ButI mean realistically, I don't think the deck is any really better position thanit was before. Yeah, I read and blue. It kind of feelslike it needs to valley on board to work because you're discarding so much tonot really do a ton. And if it too with me, the wayit feels to me is like dark box needs to do a lot every turn. Sure, and if you're red and Blueing, you're not doing that muchin a turn, if that makes sense. Sure, you're just kind of gettingan evolution out. So if you don't have the rest of your board, a stable wished because he need multiple evolutions and you need to Gx andplay to attack with all this sort of stuff. So if you're only readand blueing that turn without like a Sa Valley or something else in play,it starts skill little shaky and so like maybe the weighted and people, I'veseen people try and do like work around that by doing more of an ultraspaceAgnolo gx kind of heavy version all seeing plays value version. At the endof the day, I just I just don't think it's like that phenomenal ofa deck. Sure, but it'll always live on in my heart as Ican really fun deck that I enjoy playing. Absolutely not a deck I would taketo if I was in Brazil. I probably wouldn't even bring my darkcards. That's so sad. Sorry, Tyler, I'm so sorry, tytruly. Well, yeah, I mean that was a really good overview,Riley, of what we expect to see in Brazil this weekend. To reiterateour top three choices. I think we're pretty unanimous on this, just interms of power level. Pidgey, mew two, the staple mewt and babyblounds. Those feel like the three decks that I think I could flip acoin and you know, whatever landed on like, I would take one ofthose three days. Obviously not a okay, roll a die, right, adie has more than two sides. Okay, I digress. I couldroll a die, pick any of those and be perfectly fine heading into whatevermetagame. It's just going to be a very fun tournament. We've gone overten, fifteen decks tonight and a lot of them could make a deep run. So any hot takes that you want to give before we finish this episode? Off? Riley, I don't think I honestly, I don't think Ihave any especially hot takes. I think probably the hottest take that I haveis I think new two is still a really, really good choice going intothis tournament. But I think how hot that take is there's depends on thegroup that you're asking, because I think some people are like a little likein the cue, like a little honey, like they're just gonna they're just goingto ruin your day and you two...

...sucks of well back. And thenthere's people like me who just like freaking love me too, and yeah,you know I'm going to do three hundred and you did. So that's probablythe hottest take honestly have, and I honestly I think I've been. Thisis like my transparent thoughts that just those decks that we think from the beginningare very good are the ones I think are currently very good. Right,and if that ends up being wrong or something crazy develops, then I oldestexcept that I was that was wrong going into this. Right, absolutely cool. Well, let's open it up to the chat here. We have afew questions here in the chat. Let's see. Have you guys talked aboutwhy mew box is falling out of the metaw Riley, want to take thisone? Yeah, I kind of was alluding to that previously. I don'tthink it's really falling out in terms of it's Meta by ability, but Ithink the public opinion of it has declined due to mimic you being a carthat exists even if it's not played. Its existence alone kind of scares people, and Megaoponey being a card that exists for the similar reasons. Sure.Absolutely. What are the types of doll stalls that you've seen? I personallyhave seen on the ladder just straight doll stall. It'll play like floorages andmunch lacks. I've also seen one that plays floors book, which is avery interesting hit and run mechanic. You can load up a couple energies anddo sixty a turn. So maybe put a little bit of pressure while you'reretreating into the lily's pokey doll. Pretty interesting. I'm excited to see howthat deck kind of evolves. Maybe there's a doll type deck that works withhit Mon Chan Allah Don Fhan of years past. We have a oh,go ahead, God, I was just going to say. I think currently, in the way I would play it is just that simple. GERACI Lily'spokey doll forlorges deck. I wouldn't try and spice it up with an attacker. Sure. So somebody here asks, what do you think is looking goodfor the expanded metagame next form? I know that's not really on topic,but we will take that question. What is looking good and expanded next format, Riley? Any guesses? I thinks are our just stays good. Yeah, I it's like control is kind of gone. You have the iris nowto deal with dark. It just it feels just kind of like the deckto play. And so maybe because or garb is so good, other decksstart to increase him play, like Pika Ram starts to see more play orwhatever else. But I think the or guard was kind of the Meta definer. Sure, be Heem, people are saying in the chat, seems good. What what kind of kept be Heem from being a strong contender last format, because I know it certainly wasn't like a teer one option. You maybecould have slotted in and as at a low tier too. Do you thinkBehem has any traction. Traction might be an overstatement, but be him isanother deck that really benefits from Lily's pokey doll. So instead of like rightnow, be him's in this place where pre cosmic your clips, where youjust have to kind of either you have like the little and nine tails andkind of win, which you know you would probably win whether or not youplay to be him and your deck sure, or your kind of stacking prizes everyturn and hoping the itemlock gets you there, and the Lily's Pokey doall kind of circumvents that because there's no gust besides eon in this format,which should be fair. The fion is kind of annoying. For pokied allright, but you just had the set too up. So it's like it'sfine, yeah, if you get two dolls in the board, doesn't matter. But then the flip side of that is that you know you can't.You can't really guess anyway. But without...

...fion versus the doll. So withthat, with item lock at least, so you're guaranteed at least one ortwo extra turns of attacking without giving up a prize, which I think isreally, really relevant for Behm. So right. I think it's probably better. It's it's it's just not a dect I would play. It feels reallythe lock is kind of inconsistent. So cool. Yeah, I don't thinkanymore used to be said than it just kind of in consistent. Yeah,fair enough. All right. Well, that that seems like a really goodover you in the of the metagame. Riley. Thank you again for beinghere. You you are all the way in California. Yeah, yeah,Sunny California. Actually dark outside now because it is getting late, but yeah, it's it's been awesome to you. Thank you for having me. Well, this is great. We'll get all our technical issues worked out for nextweek when you're back home safe and sound. Thank you, guys all, forjoining us. Stick around later for Pokemon after dark my own personal stream. I'm going to get right on that. So, guys, just take yourtime, take a little, you know, drink sip of that Nice, ice cold water that I know that you have here. Stay hydrated,people, and I'll be right. Badgrated, always hydrated. Thank you, guys, for for watching tag team and we'll see you next week.

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